Are These Apple’s Next Products?

16:05Marques Brownlee:A lot of the sentiment is, you know, you see what those other companies are doing with these crazy AI generated adding things to photos. We don't do that intentionally because we try to keep the original thesis of capturing a moment that actually happened. And yes, you can erase people from the background. Yes, you can tweak colors and lighting, but it's a capture of a moment that really happened. So I guess if you're changing the angle of capture, you're not changing what happened. If you're changing, what is this, extending maybe what's not originally in the frame, but it's from information that was really there, you can keep that same philosophy without violating your thesis.

16:43Marques Brownlee:I guess that makes sense.

16:44Andrew Edwards:Apple's also like the least a tool is a tool manufacturer of like the military tech companies. I mean it like I do feel like a lot of companies are like, we're trying to build these tools and we're going to let people like, you know, do crazy, crazy things with them. And Apple's a little bit more like, we want to make cool tools but we don't want to make anything that you could potentially do anything evil with even if that or nefarious i shouldn't say evil but like nefarious with even if that means restricting our tools more than other manufacturers yeah true whereas google's

17:12Marques Brownlee:just like let it fly baby yeah like google would like show thing you could literally remember that you'd have the kid on the bench with the balloons and they just like slide them over on the bench and you're like okay now that's not a real thing yeah everyone everyone watched that and went oh they all thought of three other things that they could change in their head that would be completely insane and not part of the original capture. So, yeah, they walk that line in a very different place than Google does. Alice, you had a story here? I did.

17:38Andrew Edwards:So I was at game four of the Sixers this weekend. Did they win that one? No, they did not. Spent$144 on the worst basketball game I've ever seen. Still love that team Sixers, the seven. What happened to this podcast? I'm on the subway. I'm on the set going back to catch my bus back to New York and Kid and dad both in Celtics gear

18:03Andrew Edwards:But they had taken a picture at the game and They taking a picture at the game and The kid and the dad very stoked head-to-toe jerseys and the the dad's kind of kind of bummed because there's like a weird shadow across His face and the photos like kind of ruined, you know It was the kind of thing where a lot of people, crowded area, hey, can you take this picture? The only time for one snap they get out of there. And the dad's like, damn, I really wanted to post this, but the shadow's really weird. You can't really see my face. This is not a really good memory photo. And the kid's like, no, you can just edit it.

18:35Andrew Edwards:He's on a Pixel. And the dad's like, no, that's not how photo editing works. The kid's like nine, by the way. Clearly in elementary school. He's like, dad, just ask it to do it. The dad's like, no, no, no, you can raise the brightness, but then it'll look really weird. And the kid's just like, give me your phone. And he does an on the subway does like the I don't know. I don't have a pixel. I don't know what tool, but he does the AI photo enhance thing and like cleans up the face shadow like that. Yeah. Dad was just like, oh, what is this black magic? What? Yeah. My phone could do. I was like, oh, wow.

19:03Andrew Edwards:So like not only are people using these features, but like children are like very aware. I'm just like how capable. If I showed some of this stuff to my dead grandma, like she would her mind would be blown. My grandmother recently passed away and we have a video of my father interviewing her many years ago about her life story. So I was going through that video to try to like clean it up because my dad used Windows, some like free trial. Yeah, Windows Movie Maker, some free trial thing that has a giant watermark over it. So I spent like a hundred something dollars on some weird AI video editing tool to like remove that watermark.

19:41And it did, but there are parts where the watermark was over her face and it just like completely warped it into some like demonic looking thing. Oh, geez. So I am very skeptical about these tools with human faces in particular. Like that's a real touchy area because if it does it in the wrong way, it just like completely ruins the memory. Human faces, I think that we're particularly attuned at noticing the patterns on what people's faces look like. So like, you know, if Marquez gets generated on Gemini or whatever, and it's like, it looks 98 % like Marquez. But he's classified. But that's not quite Marquez.

20:17Dude, I -

20:17Andrew Edwards:You can always notice, you know. I spend so much time looking at Marquez's face professionally. And personally. Respectfully. Respectfully. No, that when you get shot on unusual focal lengths, I'm like, like something's - Not that you look bad, but it's just like, I'm so used to seeing you between 30 and 60 millimeters. that when I see you on a telephoto or I see you on an ultra wide, I'm like, what?

20:41Marques Brownlee:I do that to my, I look in a mirror and I look at like the swapped version and that looks weird to me still.

20:47Andrew Edwards:Yeah.

20:47Marques Brownlee:Remember when Samsung, there was all that talk about how you could erase an object in front of your face and it would regenerate your face and it would actually look shockingly good. We're short about that. Yeah. Like people on one hand hate that Samsung has to know a lot about your face to do that really good regeneration of your face. but on the other hand, it works the best for that particular use case. I mean, the more context you give it, the better it's going to be, but that means you have to give it more of your information and data. More of your life. That's how it goes. Okay, there's another Mark Gurman leak that Apple is working on.

21:21So he went on TBPN, which if people don't know, it's OpenAI's propaganda outlet.

21:26Andrew Edwards:Oh, that one. Hit the air horn. Hit the air horn. That was fire. Where is it? There we go. Thanks, Alice. He went over six different new product categories that Apple is allegedly working on. So I want us to talk about each of these. Yeah. All right. Number one, AI AirPods. Here we go. Why? What is that?

21:45Marques Brownlee:I don't know. I can tell you there is some AI in AirPods already. Yeah. But what this means is something actually a little more insane, right? This is the cameras and the AirPods, right? Probably. Oh, this is like the humane AI pods. So right now, AirPods can do live translate type stuff with AI. They can, they do, because they've always called it machine learning and neural nets and stuff like with an active noise cancellation, transparency mode, and all the like stuff that they do with processing with the compute on AirPods. Yeah. Yeah. But AI AirPods is adding sensors and more compute to these things to make them like almost a little more standalone of like an AI thing.

22:26Marques Brownlee:I don't know how I feel about that. Yeah, I don't want cameras on my earbuds. Yeah. I will say that. I also, I think we should preface this by saying these are all things that they could be working on, not necessarily guaranteed upcoming products. For sure. There is for sure tons of crazy unannounced unreleased products underground in Apple Park somewhere that we'll never see the light of day. This could be six of those, but they're at least thinking about it. So, yeah, AI AirPods. Do you have any thoughts, Ellis?

22:53Andrew Edwards:um my thought i have two thoughts and they're actually in like direct contradiction with one another which is that if argue with yourself if if it's like camera you know what is this style ai product that has happened as a headphones in i feel like they will almost definitely release uh like a necklace pendant well that's later on the list oh so we'll talk about that again a bit

23:16Marques Brownlee:well the one so the thing that these are closest actually to in terms of functionality would be

23:22Andrew Edwards:like the metaglasses so that was my other point which is like as much as i would love to see these as a pendant just because i think apple is generally really good at wearables i also think like if this is personal opinion time i think the metaglasses are like possibly the the worst idea of a product in like the last 10 years and so it's just like i would hate for apple to get in on the the always on camera privacy nightmare we don't care about you yeah train so here's

23:52Marques Brownlee:This is where I'll push back a little bit. Please. All the stuff we've heard about meta has a lot to do with privacy and how the data has been treated. Yeah. And the one thing that Apple has always been on the, I'd say, correct side of the line is how they treat your data. I agree. Most of it never leaving the device, most of it being treated very securely. Yeah, if it does leave the device, it's encrypted to all hell. Right. So if they can offer the same functionality that meta is with the glasses. That's a great point. Which is potentially being able to ask something about what you're standing in front of.

24:20Marques Brownlee:I'm staying in front of this monument, but I'm hard of hearing or I don't have great eyesight, but tell me what I'm about to be looking at. Stuff like that could, without having glasses on, could give you the same functionality and deliver it directly into your ears. It is true. The fact that you need to be wearing these glasses in order to get the contextual information is pretty annoying. And at least in Brooklyn, if you are walking down the street, you are wearing headphones. And the one thing Apple has been incredibly good at for a long time is introducing a new thing for you to use slash wear that looks kind of silly at first and then it's everywhere and everyone's used to it you remember when airpods first came out with the long long white stem we all made fun of that for so long and then it was just everywhere i found a tweet from even more than six years ago when those came out and i was i was hard because they looked ridiculous well i was wrong about that they objectively i think you were right i think they do they objectively look ridiculous but when everyone's wearing them they don't look the first one gen ones still look stupid in my opinion with the long the long stem the long they did shorten the stem

25:21Andrew Edwards:yeah i was a stem is fine i think i was a freshman in college when they came out and i just remember them instantly becoming a status symbol because it's not like they were super expensive but they were pretty expensive and it was still like when they came out the big question was like how are you not going to lose these yeah so it instantly became like a i'm wealthy enough to lose these and buy another one sort of product. I don't know. So that's how I feel. I actually, I take back what I said, Marquez, because you are right. I do think if Apple did make the, I'm always pointing a camera at something, they would hopefully keep that in line with their current data practices.

25:56Andrew Edwards:But I have trust issues. Everybody does. This is kind of what I think they're going to struggle with is anytime Apple is going to have a camera that is always pointed at people, even if they have all of these security practices and all of these things about, we only use it if you give it these permissions and we only use it when you say these certain commands people are going to feel nervous like remember when the air tags came out and for like six months people were like I'm going to be stocked with these yeah so yeah which is a real problem yes which is a real problem I have it's not necessarily trust issues it's more that the practical way these products work they're going to have a leak at some point right because there's going to be something that the camera doesn't understand and there's going to have to be a third-party human looking at it to decipher it to make the models better moving forward.

26:43Will Apple do that though? That's what I'm saying. I want to see

26:45Marques Brownlee:how they're going to navigate it. I think that's the reason it's like a double-sided or double-edged sword. That's the reason Apple's AI has been so poor is because they don't do that. So their models are so far behind because they're not improving in that way. And so you get the benefit of having that extra privacy, but you have these far worse, far smaller models with way less information. Maybe what they'll do is they'll take the image and then they'll send it to their private cloud compute that's running the Gemini, and then Gemini will parse it and then send it back to your phone.

27:16Andrew Edwards:Or maybe they're just trying to build a quick snap camera. The most popular feature from everyone I've talked to who owns Metaglasses is just being able to take pictures and videos and POE it. Nobody really cares about the AI parts of the Metaglass. I do wonder, what is the

27:28Marques Brownlee:angle like from the side of your head?

27:31Andrew Edwards:Oh, you think they'd be on I assume they would be on the Oh, no. On the case? On the case.

27:36Marques Brownlee:Oh, no. I think the rumor is that they're in the stems.

27:39Andrew Edwards:Well, then wouldn't it just... That's just eyes.

27:42Marques Brownlee:Yeah. That's the point. Exactly. Just like the metaglasses. Like you have eyes. So they're operating at your field of view and can look at what you're looking at.

27:49Andrew Edwards:I totally assumed it would be like a lanyard. I guess... But like, on your ears? Like, what about my hair? Yeah. There's a lot of questions. There's a lot of questions. That doesn't make any sense. Ellis, I actually like your opinion, like, thought process on it. Because it would make a lot of sense to put it on the case because then you're not, you know, having a camera looking at people.

28:07Marques Brownlee:That was a rumor, though, that potentially Apple was going to do a camera in Apple Watch.

28:13Andrew Edwards:If the picture, this solves the hair thing, right? Because if the cameras were instead of being on the stock were on the outside of the bud facing like perpendicular to your eyes, you would, in order to act like look at something, you'd go move your hair back and go. That's actually true. I'm hearing images right now.

28:30Marques Brownlee:And could Apple make that a thing that people think is normal?

28:33Andrew Edwards:Probably. Maybe. For audio listeners, I just pretended to brush my hair back and did the most cartoony, I'm listening to something, cupping ear possibly. To point your ear at the thing. There's a lot more products on this. There's five more products. We really got to run through this. So number two, smart glasses. We know they've been working on these for a very long time. Bring it on. This seems pretty straightforward. I don't think there's really a lot to talk about there. Well, I guess it's will they have displays or not? I don't think they're going to have displays.

29:00Marques Brownlee:I think they'll start with no displays and they'll eventually make a one with displays.

29:05Andrew Edwards:Yeah.

29:05Marques Brownlee:Yeah. They just showed you notifications or something. I don't know.

29:08Andrew Edwards:I do have one interesting thing to say about the smart glasses, which is probably going to have like a million people in the comments being like, you have no idea what you're talking about. But Apple loves aluminum. Aluminum is really cool because it is strong and light, but it is also bendy. And if we learned one thing from talking to the metaglasses engineers, it's that bendy smart glasses with displays are not good. They need rigidity. And so I wonder what they're going to make them out of if they do have displays. That's my that's my two cents rubbing those pennies together. Up next was a smart display.

29:39Andrew Edwards:Yeah. So this is basically it's like a home display. It's it. Oh, it's like the. Yeah. It's like a Google Nest Nest Hub. Home Hub. Nest Hub. It's the one they've had in the basement of Apple Park just waiting to be released for a decade. The HomePod, it feels so obvious.

29:56Marques Brownlee:The HomePod sits there. It's a nice speaker. You have a HomePod Mini because HomePod wouldn't sell because it's a bazillion dollars. So then you have a$99 HomePod Mini. That's still$100. It's still just Siri. What if you could control your HomeKit stuff and press buttons instead of relying on Siri? It seems so obvious. I have a Nest Hub Mini and a HomePod Mini. I have both of them next to each other. Because I like the display. It would be very obvious. I don't know if they haven't done that yet. But an extension of that is their tabletop robot that they've been working on, which is effectively like an iPad on a little robot thing that can move around and point at you and do stuff like that.

30:41this has been rumored for quite a while at this point

30:43Marques Brownlee:I never got this one what does it, okay, I get what an iPad does I'm picturing it on a table connected to an arm so it can point in different directions why would I want it to be on a table connected to an arm um I think it's like the center stage camera already lets me have a FaceTime call and walk around no, no, no, no, so

31:04Andrew Edwards:I have a thing to add to this, do you remember a year and a half, maybe two years ago Apple released that research paper on animatronic motion. Do you guys remember this? Yes. They built a smart lamp. Yes. And they did all of this testing to see what kind of moves does this robot lamp, it's sort of like a Pixar lamp. Yeah. What kind of moves does it need to make to make people like it? And they discovered that in order to make people like the lamp, actually these nonlinear sort of extra artsy, dancey moves were really, so I wonder if this is the culmination of all of that research. It's so interesting.

31:36I mean, considering they used to own Pixar, They have some lineage there. It'd be fun.

31:41Marques Brownlee:You remember the, what was the phone that just came out? The AI? A little gimbal on a phone. Oh, the Honor. The Honor. Yeah. Robot phone. The Honor robot phone did that. Yeah. I guess it's a concept phone. It's not like a retail phone. Yeah. But it had this gimbal with a camera on top of it and it would also kind of give you these like little nods and shake its head at you and it would give you not fully anthropomorphic looks but it would kind of have a face type of thing. It's still kind of weird. Yeah, I'm not really sure what Apple's angle on this is, to be honest. I don't understand that product, to be honest.

32:13I think it would be cool. Yeah, I guess I sort of agree with you.

32:16Andrew Edwards:The lamp was really cool because it had this sort of ability to, you could direct what it was illuminating with all sorts of gestures and commands. And it just sort of seemed like the most fun, futuristic lamp you could buy. But I don't know if it's going to have a grasper or what. I don't think it's supposed to have a grasp. thing like a like a claw yeah they basically made a pixar lamp oh my god in real life if it is actually a lamp and it has a display with speakers i would use this if it was a lamp i would buy it

32:49Marques Brownlee:this would be like an 800 probably if it was a lamp i'd be stoked i only think it's a lamp just

32:53Andrew Edwards:because they i don't think it's lamp they you know this is on apple's website like they this is something that they machine learning research uh you should read this paper it's it's really cool like the they did a lot of research into like to in order to move six inches to the left do you do it linearly? How do you ramp the speed? Yeah, animation in real life. Like cock back and then switch. It's really cool. To make it friendly, yeah. Also just want to say, if they release the HomePod with a screen, they're going to call it the HomePad. Yeah, that's actually been the leaked name. God, sorry, Alice.

33:24I thought he was making a very clever prediction slash joke, but that's probably what it's called. If you search HomePad, it'll come up. No way. Yeah, sorry. Alright, security camera. No, actually, we skipped pendant by accident. Well, we did skip pendant.

33:38Marques Brownlee:I mean, we kind of... Pendant slash necklace. It's another version of let me put a sensor on you that you can wear all the time. It's not glasses. It's not on your AirPods, but it's around your neck. Works in fashion. You put a nice Hermes necklace or whatever. I don't know who makes necklaces, but you put a fashion accessory around your neck, and then that is your little AI accessory from Apple. Chokers are back, baby. No. Apple choker. You say that, but someone's going to do that. I know, but

34:04Andrew Edwards:AI choker just sounds like the the way we all go. That is the most gen alpha. It's going to happen. It's already being made. The thing about this is they kind of tried to make the Apple Watch fashion. You know, they made, well, they really tried to make it fashion. The gold one? Well, all of them, really. But then eventually, the Apple, because all the Apple Watches look exactly the same, like the shape of them, I never really want to wear mine anymore because it just looks like what everyone else is wearing.

34:28Marques Brownlee:It accidentally, yeah, it was funny. Before, so it started off, there were no Apple Watches. There were some smart watches and they were kind of dorky. So Apple comes along. in the beginning, they were like, watches are fashion. So if we're going to sell a watch as Apple, the cool tech company, it needs to be fashionable. So they made the Apple Watch edition. They had a gold one. They had this Hermes collection of watch bands. They had all these accessories and they very much marketed it and presented it as a fashion accessory that happens to be connecting to your iPhone. Fast forward to today, it is everywhere, like you said.

35:02Marques Brownlee:So now it's less fashion, more utility. I remember having that like random Kevin O 'Leary interview pop up on my feed every once in a while where he's like, I wear this extremely nice watch and I wouldn't be caught dead wearing that Apple watch because that's that says I'm 50 percent off. And I have this incredible timepiece I love. And I'm like, that's how people appreciate fashion watches think of the Apple watch now. So it's flipped. Yeah. But yeah, it's been it's been one of those things that just has a ton. Well, so my question is like if you make a pendant and they all look the same, I mean, part of the part of the reason people wear necklaces is because they're unique and different fashion.

35:39So it's kind of insane to like release one necklace that looks exactly different chains. Yeah, but that's not enough differentiation. I don't think I mean with the Apple watch, you just change the band. Okay.

35:50Marques Brownlee:What if it goes the what if it goes the way of AirPods? The little white ball is a status symbol the way AirPods were. And it's the I have an iPhone necklace. But then you get to fashion, accessorize it with a different chain. I think people... If that's enough. Unfortunately, people... But, okay, wait. We keep omitting a part. What does it do? Nothing. Yeah, right? I mean, it's a lot of stuff. It's endlessly gathering context and offering you, like, the AI assistant the same way the Metaglass' AI assistant has context. I have a feeling it won't have a camera. Yeah, probably doesn't need it. The pendant, I think, is just going to have, like, a noise.

36:28it'll do all the other biometric stuff that you need to know. Like, are you in a loud environment? How many steps is a pedometer in it? Yeah, is it going to listen to everything you say? I doubt it.

36:37Marques Brownlee:It's just going to listen to the keyboard. I think it'll have, like, temperature sensor and, like, a loudness sensor. And it'll just be all those things that it's, like, your ambient environment. And that way it can be put into your health app. And then eventually, because they're eventually going to, like, move further and further into the health stuff and try to, like, you know, say, oh, I've known every environment that you've been in in the last month. and now you can give that data to your doctor and then your doctor can tell you if you, I don't know, have been going to too many concerts.

37:03No, no, no.

37:04Andrew Edwards:It'll give your data to your doctor and your doctor's AI. That's true. We'll parse through it. I'm not sure. I think all of these new products sort of beg this, are beginning to beg this question of what cognition are you willing to offload? And I'm not sure context is the kind of cognition I want to offload. I'm not saying it's a bad thing if that is, But like the whole this whole idea of like it'll it'll just be constantly capturing your day and all the things you hear and stuff like that. Like I get it in theory, but I I feel like I do fine just like remembering what happened in my day and resynthesizing it later.

37:42Andrew Edwards:And the kind of cognition that I'm more OK offloading is like what's the best way to organize this div class in an HTML doc?

37:49Marques Brownlee:I'll offer you a devil's advocate because I think a lot of Apple's best products come with a great ad that demonstrates like how they expect people to use it and like the use case for it. And human memory, everyone knows, is inherently a little bit flawed. Yeah. And so there's going to be the use case of like, Siri, where did I leave my blah, blah, blah? And it's going to go, oh, last place I saw that was Blair. And you go find it and it's like, ah, I'm so glad I had this context gathering thing that remembers it because I didn't remember it. and that's an ad and that's a use case and that's a oh I think I might want to buy this well in the first like year of chat GPT every AI like startup company was some sort of just context necklace

38:28Andrew Edwards:yeah yeah I just think we should be a way because I do kind of believe that when you offload forms of cognition to the AI you lose them and you have to retrain them if you want them back you know and I do think we have to start asking ourselves like what are we okay losing because as soon as you start as soon as you don the pendant and you begin not being as aware because you can sort of just be like oh the pendant will remember that I think you will very quickly realize that your short term memory is just gone yeah there's been studies already showing this and so I do think as cool as the idea of I will never lose my keys again will be I do think we need to start asking ourselves that question am I willing to lose this part of my brain and there are parts again I've already decided which parts I got rid of Yeah, I do not want any mental space taken up by how HTML works.

39:21Andrew Edwards:I am totally fine letting the robot do that for me.

39:24Marques Brownlee:Everyone will have a different line in the sand for what they're willing to offload. Yeah. I have my tasks app that I fully rely on. If I don't write it down, I'm not going to remember. And I know I won't remember. And I know that if I write it down, I will. And that's where my line is for some people. When I go through a briefing and I need to remember all the little details of something, I take my notes. Some people specifically use AI tools to take notes on meetings. that's the thing that it's good for. It'll give you a summary at the end and that's why you use it. So, yeah.

39:51Andrew Edwards:Well, speaking of capturing other people doing stuff, the last item on this list is a security camera, which, I mean, I like it going back to what Adam said earlier, because now we know that the Ring cameras are just cybersecurity nightmares and like unbelievably easy to hack into. So I would hope that we get the Apple encryption treatment on the Apple cameras. That would be nice. That would be a big up for them. A lot of people would probably like that. The other thing is that they just have not pushed into smart home stuff almost at all. They're like the hub, but none of the accessories. Yeah, like Made for HomeKit is this like overly convoluted like thing where they have to approve everything that gets the Made for HomeKit badge.

40:33And like they're way more strict about it versus like Amazon and Google. The reason that they were supporting Matter so heavily is because the amount of products that work with HomeKit is way, way less. then like you know google's like in the middle there where they have some made for google assistant or whatever and then alexa's like let's go baby just keep slapping it on yeah so they were happy to have the matter products it makes more sense for them now to actually get into their own product category again because they could i mean they could dominate with a lot of home stuff

41:04Marques Brownlee:this this to me felt like another obvious one yeah like they make the iphone which has a great camera and also a smart camera experience and then obviously they make the home hub and then they can have a connected, just, it feels so obvious. And the security thing is huge. Yeah, and then put the screen on the HomePod so I can see my feeds. Once one rings the Apple doorbell, I get the feed from the video. Maybe that's what the robot is for. So when someone rings your doorbell, it'll swivel over to you and be like, hey, look, it's John Tertis at your door.

41:32Andrew Edwards:Yeah, he wants to be CEO. Is the A18 going to be in everything? Are we, like, a few years down the road, are we just going to live in a giant sea of A18 chips?

41:41Marques Brownlee:I mean, they barely have enough for the Neo right now, so.

41:44Andrew Edwards:Yeah.

41:44Marques Brownlee:They put them in the studio display. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

41:47Andrew Edwards:There's a whole iPhone in your display. If you have an iPhone and a studio display and a MacBook Neo, you have three A8s. You have three identical devices right there.

41:57Marques Brownlee:Yeah, A18, A18 Pro. Oh, no, yeah, so base iPhone. Yeah, base iPhone. And then a studio display non-XDR is also an A18. Is there an M chip? No, there's an A18 in this, right? Yeah, there's an A18 in that. Yeah. The Pro iPhone has an A18 Pro, though. Okay. An A19 Pro, actually. A19 Pro. So you have an A19, an A18, and another A18. It's crazy. Speaking of A. Yeah. Ad break. Oh. A ad break. Trivia. Yeah. Trivia. So, first question. We are a mobile podcast. We talk about phones and stuff while people are on the go or washing their dishes. A mobile podcast. Either way, which one you want. Do it on there.

42:41So speaking of mobile stuff, let's talk about some mobile technology. CDMA stands for Code Division Multiple Access. Sorry, Marcus. So what does GSM stand for?

42:57Andrew Edwards:What is CDMA? Code Division Multiple Access. And GSM? Stands for? GSM Arena. Yeah, GSM stands for GSM Marina Site Mobile.

43:14Marques Brownlee:Well, we'll think about that. We will. Answers will be at the end like usual. We'll be right back.

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46:00All right, we're back. Okay, we were just talking about Apple making a lot of AI stuff, so now we're going to pivot it a little bit. Samsung's display list smart glasses have leaked.

46:11Marques Brownlee:So just glasses, glasses. They're just, well, they're smart glasses. Just AI glasses. They've got a camera. They've got two cameras. Camera and AI glasses. Yeah. So if you click the link, there are some renders in there. Let's see it. But Android Headlines got a hold of some supposedly allegedly leaked marketing images for the Galaxy glasses. if they're accurate. Galaxy glasses. Yeah, galaxy glasses, which makes sense. Oh my god. Why is that so funny to me? I don't know. Because it sounds like galaxy gas. Yeah, that might be why. Galaxy glasses. Oh, galaxy glasses. Okay, well, if they're accurate, they have dual cameras, which is interesting.

46:44They would go one on each side. They will have Samsung branding on the side. They don't seem to have an inner display right now, but apparently that is coming later next year. They are said to run on Gemini XR, you know android xr which means they'll be controlled mostly through voice commands and the alleged specs are the qualcomm snack track and ar1 chip which makes sense 12 megapixel sony sensors a 155 million power battery which is in line with the ray-bans bow conduction tweakers 50 grams rumored to be priced between 379 and 499 which is a quite quite a wide range it's kind of

47:20Marques Brownlee:a big range but it isn't actually that big of a range yeah i think yeah like somewhere under 500 is it's not impulse by territory obviously but it is not cheap they need to make these cheaper i think so yeah so the metas are what 350 but they went up those are also ray-bans true this is a random samsung like samsung glasses aren't they going to collab so i haven't read this article yet but typically there's some sort of i think they all recognize they have to collab with a glasses maker i don't know sam parker or or luxotica whoever they just they need someone to make the glasses. Samsung hasn't announced a collab yet.

47:56Google did. Google's doing Warby Parker and Gentle Monster. Right.

48:00Marques Brownlee:There's only so many companies to go around. I like Gentle Monster glasses. See? That's exactly the reaction. They're hoping you don't think about it as Google glasses. They're like, oh, I could get the Gentle Monster glasses with these features in them. It's 100 % Gentle Monster because that's also a South Korean company. That's true. But can they do that with Google and Yeah, I don't think they can double-dip. Google and Samsung are like besties slash frenemies.

48:26Andrew Edwards:I think once you're off the market, once you do one collab, you're locked in. Once you already have a date to the prom, you can't mess around like that. We've seen the movies. Well, did they say that Google has a collab with them or Android XR has a collab with them? Google. It was Google. It is Google itself. Yeah. So I don't know. We'll see. But I mean, overall, Android, like you're going to see, this is Google's advantage in this case, right? It's the same advantage that Android has over the iPhone where they have so many manufacturers. Like Samsung is going to make smart glasses. Oppo's going to make smart glasses.

48:53Vivo's going to make smart glasses. OnePlus is probably going to make smart glasses. Everybody in the club. Everybody in the club makes smart glasses. Everyone's doing it. Stop. Is that not how that song goes?

49:03Marques Brownlee:My question is, why is it dual cameras? Why the left and the right? Are they not all dual cameras? No. So metas are just on one side, and then a sort of dummy lens on the other side for symmetry. But you only record from one side. Would that be for depth information? Maybe. That seems like the only reasonable way to have two cameras facing the same direction. Maybe it's for the Galaxy XR glasses. That's probably why. So you record in 3D maybe and then you can watch 3D videos? Yeah, if you have a fixed distance. This is what we're talking about, Ellis, with the rigidity. You have a perfectly fixed, exactly measurable distance between the two lenses at all times.

49:41Marques Brownlee:You can design an algorithm to make stereoscopic video from that. that you use in the galaxy but what is what are their their vision pro called so we saw it when it was project muhan now it's the galaxy xr is that what it is double check but yeah i think so yeah i don't know i i i don't know if there's galaxy xr i don't know if there's that many samsung super fans that are like gonna spend that much money on samsung smart glasses i would personally buy google smart glasses before samsung smart glasses so it'll be interesting when those are out when the samsung ones are out and the google ones are out yeah and they have a hugely overlapping functionality and they look almost the same and they're priced almost the same like what's gonna make someone pick one versus samsung's gonna have to figure out how to make them work better for their ecosystem because they have samsung health they have like you know you just look at your washing machine and it starts cleaning your clothes that's actually probably what they're gonna do they make enough stuff that google doesn't make where you could just like tell your fridge to do or like ask it what's in your fridge and it'll tell you because you have a samsung fridge true you know yeah i just want to say it doesn't matter who makes it if you're wearing glasses and recording your daughter at her birthday party I'm going to make fun of you.

50:49It's just like the Apple Vision Pro I love that ad.

50:51Andrew Edwards:That's like the one use case I think is like cool with these you know like being like oh I need to take a video right now. Yeah but not like a I mean like the spatial video when they were demoing the Apple Vision Pro and it's just the guy like all up in his daughter's face. That's yeah that's insane.

51:08Marques Brownlee:I'm surprised we didn't make fun of that more. Being the one guy at a birthday party who's recording everything with a vision pro and like actively being the one guy at anything who's using

51:20Andrew Edwards:a vision pro what's it like to live in live in convertino well oh my gosh yeah okay they really

51:26Marques Brownlee:tried to sell people on the on the watching back that memory will be special to you yeah so here's

51:32Andrew Edwards:here's the way you capture that memory is to be that guy the first home camcorders were pretty ginormous. That's true. And people still, I don't know if you were getting roasted for using one of those. You were. I remember. Sure, but at least it was. My dad had one of those and everyone made fun of them. Yeah, but at least it wasn't mounted to your face. But it was, I think. To get the right POV. I mean, kind of. You had to put it up to your face. Yeah, you were like this. Well, and the very first ones were so big, they had to sit on your shoulder and then you had a pack that you wore on your belt that actually held the tapes.

52:02Andrew Edwards:Oh, that's old. So it was like. Yeah. That's sick.

52:04Marques Brownlee:I guess the novelty of like the first cameras recording stuff it was such an impactful thing to be able to actually watch something back later that maybe it was worth the social trade-off that's true now it's like true oh i can watch it in 3d that's yeah no but i have to put on your like sweaty thing yeah i'd rather not wear this thing i can just capture with my phone like everybody else and i can still watch it and experience it later

52:23Andrew Edwards:and watch it in 3d because the iphone yeah the phone like depth convert your things now yeah yeah i don't know i don't know i mean it's a good way to capture stereoscopic video i just like worry that this is just about training data like it's all about training data like all these companies just are just trying to get training data and they're like oh well we'll give you some cute glasses in exchange for you you being our little lab rat correct that's what all of

52:47Marques Brownlee:that's technology for the past 20 years yeah yeah especially the last five yeah yeah especially the last five yeah um switching gears okay this is a weird one spotify premium now includes peloton classes. Wait, what? It's only the Peloton classes that don't need dedicated hardware, so no tread which is the treadmill and no Peloton bike classes but everything else like running, yoga, strength and Pilates, you now have access to in Spotify Premium. So you're saying, I have a Spotify Premium subscription, I can open the Spotify app and I can take a yoga class in it. Correct. Okay. Yeah. Cool. I mean there's a case to be made for like Apple has the run with me and like the walk with me things.

53:32And you know, if you have like a running coach in your ear, I guess that's considered audio.

53:37Marques Brownlee:You know, this is the opposite of like some companies, uh, like car companies, their brand is so well known for one specific thing that if they want to branch out into something else, they have to like start a new brand name to do that. Yeah. Even though they're the same company. So like Nissan makes, you know, cheap, reliable cars, great, but they want to make luxury cars. You can't have an expensive Nissan Infinity. Boom. Now you can sell the same stuff or sell more expensive stuff under the same company name, but a different name to actually get that across. Everyone knows Spotify is music, but they've been trying desperately to add to that, whether it's podcasts, whether it's the DJ, the AI stuff.

54:17Marques Brownlee:Now this Peloton class and yoga class, I want it to be not the Spotify name to actually have a chance. I mean, Netflix added games and then they added podcasts, you know, and Spotify added, they added audiobooks and they added podcasts. Because remember, Spotify originally didn't even have podcasts. Right. And then they became like the de facto podcast app for a lot of people. And I think they believe that that's because of the Spotify name. People open the Spotify app, they already like Spotify, they use it already. And so we're going to leverage the Spotify name to also be good at and popular at these other things.

54:51I mean, at the end of the day, it's like they I mean they need to add more value in some way but all of these streaming companies whether it's Netflix whether it's YouTube whether it's Spotify are just trying to build out full ecosystems where you can do basically everything in it because you know there's this um what is the saying it's like we're competing for your we're competing against you sleeping is what I don't remember what tech CEO said this but he was like we're competing with your sleep it was Reed Hastings, Netflix CEO. Yeah, read Hastings for Netflix. He said

55:19Marques Brownlee:we're competing with sleep on the margin. Okay, I can see that. Because you watch Netflix before you go to sleep. And if you want to keep staying on Netflix you're trading your sleep. That makes a direct Okay. I think that also was in particular someone was asking him about the competition with like YouTube and stuff. And he was like, oh we don't really consider them our competition. Our biggest competition for your attention is like sleep. That is really funny. Considering also that YouTube is a direct competitor. That's really funny. Yeah. This is how they're describing this move. Time on Spotify should feel meaningful and intentional not something that slips away in a blur of mindless scrolling that's why we've always invested in experiences that leave you feeling more energized in control and empowered we also look to user base and creators on our platform for inspiration and that's why we're expanding into the new category fitness yeah i mean i can kind of see it and also peloton is like on the verge of bankruptcy again so eat their lunch i mean they they need to do anything you know what I mean, I think that what Peloton gets out of it is if people like the classes in general, they might buy a Peloton subscription for the actual bike and tread.

56:25And then Spotify is like, oh, we're technically offering more value. If you're a Peloton user who doesn't have the bike or tread, but you still like the classes, then you could just cancel your Peloton subscription.

56:35Marques Brownlee:Sure. If you're paying for two subscriptions, you can cancel one of them. Yeah. Damn. So Peloton probably hates this. It's weird. I think we're just going to keep seeing like YouTube added the games. And I think we're just going to continue to see all of these streaming companies build out the services that they offer so that you never leave their app. Fair enough. But it does feel weird because Spotify should not be a fitness company. I feel like when I think of Peloton, I imagine it just it always appears in places I don't expect it to be or it should be. Yeah. Just in advertising and like weird places they feature it.

57:07But it is bizarre that for this Peloton thing, you actively have to go out of your way to search for it. It's not like in that home UI. You have to search the word fitness and then it pulls it up. So it's not. I mean, it only launched like yesterday or the day before. Oh, so you might not even have gotten it yet. It's there. Oh, yeah, it is there.

57:25Andrew Edwards:What is a sweat free work? Oh, I guess it's like yoga. That's not really a work. A lot of people sweat while they do yoga. I'm just going to say I'm going to do a zero. Let's do five minute breathing. I guess I can't play this.

57:37Marques Brownlee:No, please don't. Yeah. All right. All right. Well, OK, we've got a big story. but first there's some breaking news that I just saw.

57:44Andrew Edwards:Breaking news! Google Photos is launching an AI try-on feature for clothes that you own. Oh, this is stupid. Clothes you already own? Yes. Oh, that's not that stupid. So you have a picture of... No, it's not stupid. I think it's cool. No, I have a big problem with the whole Google try-on this clothes with AI because that's not how clothes work. Clothes drape over your body in a way that an AI just cannot predict I don't know if that's true, man. It is true. It doesn't... You just have to take a lot of nudes and then it'll know how it's... It would also need an in-depth knowledge of where the stitches are on every article.

58:20Andrew Edwards:Like, it's just not... Like, you could see how a color would work. Yeah. Kind of. Which is helpful, though.

58:25Marques Brownlee:Maybe this is like getting at the 80%. It's not going to be 100 % perfect, but I can get a better sense of the proportions of something, maybe, if I use this feature, versus if it's just floating with no body in it or a mannequin. I don't know. But if this is stuff we already have, it already has the data. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. If it already has a picture of you wearing it, then maybe it would.

58:45Andrew Edwards:Yeah.

58:45Marques Brownlee:If the feature is just like, show me how this fits on me and it just shows you the picture you already took. Yeah. That's how it fits. Yeah. Yeah. I mean. What is it supposed to do then if it's not just showing you pictures you already took? Well, no, it's not just showing you pictures you already took. So it'll create cutouts. Here's a directly from Google's website. Okay. It'll create these cutouts of clothing that you've, uh, you have photos of yourself wearing and then you take a photo of yourself I guess it probably already has photos of yourself and it will literally put the clothes on you.

59:13So this is more like a mix and match type thing? Yeah, it's a mix and match. You can save outfits and you can also share them with friends. Look, you guys think this is stupid? As a very non-fashionable person who's really bad at clothes I kind of really like this. There's companies that make apps for this. I was going to say, this is Sherlocking many apps. Which is good, because those are all paid apps. Well now Daddy Google of all your outfits. It's not good, but I like it. I'm a huge fan of this because one of the biggest tech things from movies that I've always wanted was the wardrobe from Clueless.

59:46And that's what this is. It's like a smart wardrobe. Yeah, exactly. It tells you what certain things in your wardrobe and how it looks on you. You could just swipe through and create different outfits based on the things you've wore. So if I wore this jacket today, but tomorrow I wear a different pair of pants and I'm like, huh, I wonder how that jacket would look with those pants. And then you could just swipe them through and make it look. I love this. Filter by category, look at everything together or a deeper dive into a single category, example jewelry, tops, or bottoms. Then scroll to rediscover long forgotten items that might be buried in your closet.

1:00:17That's also cool. It's good, it's good. Wow. Create outfits with ease, mix and match items, and try on looks virtually. See how an outfit will look on you before you get dressed. See individual pieces and then click try. What I want is I want Gemini to suggest me clothing pairings. Let AI dress you? Yes.

1:00:35Marques Brownlee:I'm sure it'll do that. You'll probably go, I'm going to a, it'll tell you what kind of event it is, like black tie, whatever other themes there are. I'm going to a podcast. And it'll be like, wear that thing you wore to the other podcast. And I'll be like, really? This is probably inherently tied to Google Shopping, right? Yes. 100%. Obviously that's the most. It's going to start showing you things that you don't already own for sure and tell you, oh, you could buy this. I'm down with that, bro. You know it works really well with that pair of pants you keep wearing? This other shirt you don't have.

1:01:05You know how people are like, I love Instagram ads because they're relevant to me and it's actually good. People say that. People do say that. I agree with that 100%.

1:01:13Marques Brownlee:I do say that. I have never bought anything off Instagram yet, although I might next week because I found something that I might want to buy for somebody I know. But, and I keep, you know, being like, I can't let them win. I can't let them win. However. But it's really good. I don't like going to just like clothing stores and just like looking at stuff and then having to i want to just like swipe through a gallery and be like that looks good on me and then buy it that's all i want to do what if it's like hey that shirt you have doesn't look too good on you what about this new shirt over here i don't think it would tell you it looked like i don't think so i don't think that's how clothes work i don't i think i think that's it's not how clothes work but it's 80 how clothes work and that's how most people understand clothes to work enough it's better than scrolling a website yeah would you do this it's way better than scrolling

1:02:02Andrew Edwards:website i don't would you do this with a car wrap Yes. Yes. It's like deep breath. It would essentially be perfect for a car. Yeah. Really? You don't need to see it in natural light and see the material?

1:02:17Marques Brownlee:So for the, again, the 90%, like, yes, there's the 5 % of like, how does it look in different lights for different angles? But for the 90 % of like, I can just import a model of the car and then just copy paste the text around to the car. That's good enough for me to decide.

1:02:31Andrew Edwards:I don't know, man. I've been suit shopping a lot lately. And like, I know my jacket. Suits are very different. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's all the same, bros. A t-shirt is so different than how a suit fits.

1:02:42Marques Brownlee:Yeah, I think there's how picky are you going to be about this piece of clothing, which is the same as the car.

1:02:46Andrew Edwards:We'll talk about the t-shirt I'm wearing, right? This is a color. Who makes it? A color wear? It's a comfort colors. Comfort colors, right. From shop.mkbhc.com. It's a gorgeous shirt. I love this shirt. You look really good in it. Thank you. Yeah, it's incredible. This shirt is not sized like other shirts. If you were to hold it up with another t-shirt of the same. I forgot if this is a large or an extra large. You know what would solve that? AI Google Fit. It wouldn't because there's no... Google Fit? They can bring it back. Oh my, oh my God, Google Fit. I don't know. There's too many seams. There's too many measurement points.

1:03:19Andrew Edwards:You need to see how the clothes drape over your body. You need to know the length of all the stitches. I'm not saying it's impossible for an AI to have all these data points, but I'm saying knowing these tech companies, they're not going to get the data point of every article of clothing that's ever made and know all your measurements. Here's a question. They're going to hallucinate it all. Here's a question.

1:03:36Marques Brownlee:Right now when you buy a shirt like this, it shows you just like the shirt with no body. And maybe a couple pictures of it with people. Is this better than that? It's somewhere in between. Like the perfect thing of trying on the shirt in a mirror, that's 100%. The 0 % is just a render of the shirt with no body. Somewhere in between is it's going to try to estimate how this will fit on you and hopefully it gets it not terribly wrong. That's like somewhere in between.

1:04:03Andrew Edwards:I guess you know to that I would just say that like for me personally like it most online clothing has a model in the picture it'll say something like the model is 6 '1 and wearing this size yeah and you can usually extrapolate like oh this is and given I'm still really bad at that I order tons of stuff that I'm like this technically fits but makes me look like a cereal box or this technically fits and makes me look like a penguin you know it's so like yeah like like for example I got you know big long gangly arms I gotta have something that looks like a little longer sleeve you know otherwise i i look a thing that is good that maybe i don't know i'm not i don't have faith but we should stop talking about well okay last note i will say like i've never again never bought anything off instagram ads but i might next week but i almost bought this sweater one time there was like a big kind of holiday sweater and had a big cat face on it and it was very cute and looked very warm and then i looked at the the reviews and it was like this is the worst fitting thing the cheapest like material so like my concern about it is like you don't know how good the material is and that's a big thing I mean for sure and you also don't know the manufacturing like there's so many different ways you can make a t-shirt there's so many different machines that can make a t-shirt and they all make a different quality shirt but this is also for clothes you already own well we're talking about the we're talking about the inevitable future where they well that they already announced like last year didn't they the AI shopping try on yeah I'm mad.

1:05:30With like a few supported.

1:05:31Andrew Edwards:Yeah, really, I got us off the rails by being like, I know this new thing is coming out is fine, but that thing from last year, I'm still mad about. It's okay. Well, one of the big stories of today, OpenAI is reportedly working on an AI smartphone to compete with the iPhone. Okay, I have one question about this. Yeah. This is different than the Sam Altman, Johnny I. I think they pivoted.

1:05:51Marques Brownlee:So they're not making hardware anymore. We don't know. This, I would say, probably, again, falls in the same category as a lot of the Apple stuff we were talking about earlier, which is reportedly working on means, yeah, of course. Well, apparently there's already, so supply chain analyst Minxin Kuo posted a blog on Twitter about this saying they're already working on it. They're in late stage talks with Qualcomm and MediaTek to build bespoke processors for it. And they're co-designing the phone with Luxshare, which is a major Chinese components manufacturer. So it's like it's in the late stage and I believe they said it might be releasing around the end of 2027.

1:06:27Which is pretty late stage.

1:06:29Marques Brownlee:Yeah. Okay. So. Yeah. I have no doubt that a lot of people are really interested in what this could be. Yeah. The other thing is, like, all of the current smartphone makers are doing their best to add tons of AI features to their phones. Yeah. So is there anything that we think OpenAI could do in their smartphone that would give them an advantage that others, like Google makes phones. Yeah. Apple makes phones, like, that they couldn't do? Yeah. Or is it just going to get hyped because it's OpenAI? The main thing that I'm thinking about is like if they build their chipsets and their phones specifically to be more optimized for things like continuous contextual processing.

1:07:09Right. Like if it's always listening or something like that.

1:07:12Marques Brownlee:In a way that like Google wouldn't with Tensor and Gemini. Because they're going to try that. Google could with Tensor on the Pixel later, but they would have to start doing that now, which maybe they already did. Apple would never really do that, I don't think. I just feel like this makes a lot of sense for OpenAI and not a lot of sense for the customer that's going to be using it. Because I already have a phone. Just because Apple doesn't let OpenAI do certain things on the phone, that's not my problem. They said it's to compete with the iPhone, so it's going to be directly. Of course it is, because they want to be able to do things that Apple won't let them do.

1:07:41Marques Brownlee:Exactly. It's the direct competitor to the iPhone because Apple will never let OpenAI do all the things that they want to do on the iPhone. Yeah. So OpenAI makes their own hardware. people who are willing and want all that context and all this stuff in their account to work best on a phone will prefer it i guess over the iphone because all that stuff and hopefully it also does all the stuff apple does well i mean the crazy thing is that apps would not like there's not going to be app developers yeah there's so many other things that come with making a smartphone that you have to get good at so fast like developers cameras yeah i suppose unless you believe the kind of pie in the sky idea that sam altman keeps talking about where apps don't need to exist anymore because you can just ask it to do things and it will just do everything and we're so far from that world i get that that's what people are trying to do that's like 2050 but that's we are far from that world apps are really good right now yeah and like we're being able to rely on services and have specifically have trust that the thing that you do is going to act the same way every time those those are important and i don't i just don't think that asking your phone to do something and having like a 70 to 80 % chance that it actually does it.

1:08:48I don't know if people are going to be down with that. Also like Maps data, like Google Maps, like how would that be? They could have to tap into an API or something. Asking it for the weather.

1:08:57Marques Brownlee:There's so many good weather. Oh God, it's just going to hallucinate the weather. Yeah, like there's things that phones do incredibly well. You know what this reminds me of? That video we did about the Neo robot. Yeah. Where, okay, if you believe in this future, like you really think that there's a world where this future product knows enough about you and has enough training data that it can actually be useful, then you have to launch a version of it before it's ready, before it has enough data, and before it's even good at anything to have early adopters start to help you make it better and train it.

1:09:27Marques Brownlee:And then by version three, four, five, it could get there. But the only way you could get there is if you start now with this probably inferior product. So we're gonna get maybe an open AI smartphone in 2027 that probably has a way worse camera than the iPhone and a way worse App Store than the iPhone and a way worse bunch of other things than the iPhone. But it'll do the beginnings of this cool thing well. And people who are believers in that five years down the road mission, they're going to get one and sign up for all this stuff and beta tests and they're off to the races. Yeah. I think OpenAI is putting a lot of eggs in a basket.

1:10:00They need money so bad. And I think they're looking at Apple and being like the amount of money Apple makes on the iPhone is so astronomical that this could solve all of our problems and all of our commitments that we've made for trillions of dollars. And I just, I think they're just... But what's the operating system on it? Well, this is the question. Like, does it run Android or are they going to create a bespoke operating system? That's the other question.

1:10:24Andrew Edwards:I just feel like OpenAI is a complete nonsense company at this point. Like, we're burning through cash at a record rate. We need cash flow. Let's start a hardware stack. I know. in something that we have no experience. That doesn't make any business sense whatsoever. That's the scale you need to compete at when you owe the amount of money they have. The only way they're going to get that amount of money to pay back everyone that invested in them is to compete with the iPhone. That's crazy. That's the scale they need to win at. I think so, dude. Their commitments are insane. Remember the guy that asked him, how exactly are you going to make this money?

1:11:02And Sam Ellman just goes, we'll buy out your shares from you, bro. We'll buy your shares back from you.

1:11:07Andrew Edwards:But it's just to me, it just feels like if if you have invested, you know, billions of dollars into something, you're now billions of dollars in debt. And your idea for how do we get out of debt is to start a new chain of investments because none of the other money we spent will make that's called a gambling addiction. That's what that's called. That's called complete nonsense. When I think of an open A.I. phone, I think of like the crypto phone. The is it Solana phone?

1:11:34Marques Brownlee:Yeah, Saga. They might be real, but no one has them. There's no market for them. Who is this for and why are you wasting your money making this? Because somewhere out there, there's a bunch of early adopters who - The entirety of San Francisco. Yeah, actually really want it. And it sounds ridiculous from the outside looking in, but there are a lot of people who are going all in with like, I've changed my life with these products and I've optimized everything and I've started new businesses with it. And of course I would buy an open AI phone and that's the world they live in. And so this is starting with that demographic of the very beginning of the, what is this curve called?

1:12:11Marques Brownlee:The whole adoption curve? The very beginning of it. That's those people. Is it people who want the product or people who want to make a lot of money? I think they're one and the same. I think that when you talk to Tesla people on Twitter, you get the sense that it's one large mob. I think that's kind of the same thing here. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's going to be interesting to see if people really trust the company enough to have a phone that does all of the things with all the context. I just, yeah. Yeah. The general sentiment on AI is really bad. I think Neil, I put out an article recently called The People Do Not Yearn for Automation.

1:12:47And it's true. It's just like the general sentiment of AI is very, very, very negative. And the people who are making the AI stuff in San Francisco just don't see that because everyone around.

1:12:57Marques Brownlee:like there was a tweet recently what do you call that when you're in a small group echo shame no even better because it could pop an echo bubble it's an echo bubble it's an echo bubble um anyway yeah who knows dude it's gonna be interesting it's gonna be a crazy few years yeah i think that we should do another uh trivia question ad break and um but first before that we should do the trivia question before the ad break yes hit the music thanks trivia time i'm ready you know what it is. You know what it is. What is it? Black and yellow. I'm actually shocked that high school. True. Fair enough. Touche.

1:13:38Or middle. Actually, that was middle school. That was middle school.

1:13:41Marques Brownlee:The song? Black and yellow? Black and yellow, black and yellow. Why are you shocked that I know that? I thought that was later than that. Old. Black and yellow song. Oh, it's actually called Black and Yellow. That was like 2012? 2010. What did you think this song was called? That's where I was. I don't know. They kind of say it a lot. What are they talking about? Bumblebees or some ****? What are they talking about? Pittsburgh? Pittsburgh. Oh, really? Why is Pittsburgh black and yellow? The Steelers, bro. Mariah! Mariah! Whoa! I wasn't born yesterday. You know ball? Oh, my gosh. This is a ball podcast.

1:14:12I thought the Steelers were football. Yeah, that's a ball. It's an oblong. I thought ball only referred to basketball. No, ball is ball. So when you say you know ball, it just means you know sports? It just means you know ball.

1:14:25Marques Brownlee:It means you're not f***ing stupid. David, you know ball about tech. You know ball. I know ball. Do you guys want to hear trivia? Yeah. Is it about ball? My trivia question for you this week is about a little historical question. So this week in history, on April 28th of 2003, Apple launched the iTunes Music Store, which tightly integrated with the iPod and new model of paid digital downloads. my question for you is what was the name of Apple's proprietary DRM system that enforced playback restrictions on the songs purchased from the store

1:15:01Andrew Edwards:I didn't even know there was DRM it has a name I've ripped a lot of careful Alice

1:15:10Marques Brownlee:no but you can rip an mp4 or whatever but if you buy

1:15:15Andrew Edwards:that file careful No, I have... This is in 2003. I have my entire iPod Classics M4As on the computer. I think it changed over time. I could be wrong. Also, yeah, I don't think they really care anymore. Apple DRM. If I was Apple, what would I call my digital rights management software? I'd call it... I'd call it...

1:15:38Marques Brownlee:iLock. The STEM.

1:15:40Andrew Edwards:Oh my gosh, that's hilarious. You know iLock is a real thing, right? No. Is it? is it a digital rights management software?

1:15:47Marques Brownlee:No, it is. It is. What? Oh. You bought me one.

1:15:50Andrew Edwards:Huh? That's my iLock. Dude. This one? What is that? Is this for passwords? No, it's for a lot of audio software will not run unless that is plugged into my computer. Oh, same idea. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why? So I don't steal it. So you're definitely the user who bought it. It's audio software.

1:16:09Marques Brownlee:It's kind of like DRM hardware key. It's more of like a two-factor authentication. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. We will think about what that DRM might have been called. Answers at the end. BRB.

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1:18:23Marques Brownlee:Ask your doctor about EBCLIS and visit ebglis.lily.com or call 1-800-LILY-RX or 1-800-545-5979. All right, welcome back. we got a new feature that we're going to use the hell out of for tech events and what is that? threads is introducing live chats really? yeah explain how it works because I know what a thread is how are we going to do live chats that are even more live than what's already happening on threads yeah so threads notoriously has been really really really really horrible for live events because it just sends you it just shows you threads from like four days ago but during big events like NBA games, there will be big group chats that are spearheaded by influential community members.

1:19:07I think anyone can maybe start them. I'm not sure. I love this.

1:19:11Andrew Edwards:It sounds like it's sort of like Discord meets the Twitter spaces. Sort of. You can limit how many people can contribute but people can still react and vote in the polls if they are not contributing. The chats are openly discoverable so you can go into the section of the live event chats and you can just see what people are talking about which i think is really cool i'm curious how many sort of different uh limits it'll have like maybe we can have a studio chat that everyone could sort of react to but maybe not chat in yeah so they can it's like a live blog it's like verge does the live blogs for like big tech events i think it'd be really cool if we could do our own live blog but on threat i think that's exactly what this is because every time there's a live event we pretty much just take over people's feeds so this is a way to like contain that.

1:19:59Silo it. Yeah. Well, and also make it so you can see all of it in one place

1:20:02Marques Brownlee:instead of the way threads normally works, which is terrible. So I guess I'm picturing this as like there's an event happening. Only certain people can contribute, but I guess it's open to anyone who can view. You can also make it so more people can contribute. Like it can be open to the community or just contained to certain people. So an event is happening. Six of us are in the thread live, whatever it's called, live thread posting about things from different angles, media text posts or whatever and then it's all in one place and people can jump in and jump out yeah it's our slack but for everyone to read yeah which i think is sick cool okay i'm pretty excited about that i think it's gonna be cool for the events um it'd be cool if you could also have like

1:20:43Andrew Edwards:ping pin certain threads accounts and then their actual thread posts appear like like if you're doing a tech event you could add like a bunch of other tech journalists and every time one of them post an update, it shows up in this scrolling feed.

1:20:57Marques Brownlee:You would have to assume that they're posting about that event, I guess. Yeah, you would have to. Because it seems like it's a place that you're going to post. Right, right, right. Like jumping in, posting or viewing, and then leaving when you want to and coming back. I think you can do that, though, if you just invite them and they accept. Sure, yeah.

1:21:12Andrew Edwards:Well, I guess I was thinking that David showed me this cool app called Surf. Yeah, the Fediverse browser. Yeah, I guess in my head it was sort of a... It's a Russia Fediverse corner. it's a Fediverse guy we're bringing it back it's the Russian nesting doll of the Fediverse basically I was going to say I think this is the feature that might convince me to get on threads maybe because like I'm seven lately well exactly because I've been really enjoying using social media as of late for specific things like for example like I took Twitter off my phone it was like rotting my brain now that the Sixers are in the playoffs I want to be part of Sixers Twitter so I got it back I convinced my feed to literally only show me Sixers posts by only interacting with Sixers posts.

1:21:55Andrew Edwards:You can train it real quick. And then when the Sixers win the NBA championship in June, I'm going to delete Twitter off my phone again. Get out of here, bro. It's the guy wearing the Knicks hat. Yeah, of course it's the guy wearing the Knicks hat. Serve would be really good for that for you, to be honest. Because there was a huge migration from Twitter to Threads, specifically from NBA people. Yeah, NBA on Blue Sky and Threads is like a thing. is it really? yeah it's really popping on threads but NBA Twitter is so good NBA Twitter has all the chaos and the dark memes but professionals

1:22:29Marques Brownlee:are on Blue Sky and threads interesting yeah do you want do you want the professional takes do you want to see like what Shams and those guys or like the journalists are saying or do you want the deepest darkest memes from other Sixers fans my favorite

1:22:43Andrew Edwards:basketball journalist is Adam Aronson who's on Twitter but I think he's also on Blue Sky so yeah well Well, an event that maybe we'll be able to use this if it goes live by then is the Android show, which is happening again this year on May 12th. Last year, they introduced expressive design. Oh, that was a segue. Yeah. It was a segue. Yeah, it was a segue. That was a good segue. Thanks. I appreciate it. Yeah. Last year, they had the material expressive design. They had Gemini Live that they showed off, which is crazy. That's only been out for a year, which is crazy. Gemini Cross Devices. they also had a device showcase where Dieter just kind of like walked around and showed all the different form factors of Android check this out so we have no idea what they're going to show this year however they did say it was going to be one of the biggest weeks for Android ever hmm one of the biggest weeks for Android huge for Android users this is big for my fellows out there is this where Pixel Glow gets announced?

1:23:43Marques Brownlee:I doubt it I like the new look I like these new icons yeah yeah so okay that's another segue yeah uh google this week did an in like a massive gradient redesign of all its icons because gemini you know they've been slowly like changing everything to be gradients instead of like hard cuts and now they redesigned almost all of their apps to have sort of the gemini gradient designs and i think they look really really good i can I like them. They're beautiful because the previous icons all had the same like Google colors. Yeah. And I could not tell them apart. They were so similar. Do you remember?

1:24:23It was getting tough.

1:24:23Marques Brownlee:Google Drive next to Google Maps in the dock. They just look like the same thing. Next to photos. Yeah. Look at Google Talk. Google Talk and Google. Yeah. Gmail and Google. It was just a bunch of blocks of color. It was so bad.

1:24:34Andrew Edwards:Okay, but to be fair, those are also the same app. Well, they used to be the same app and then they separated them. Yeah, but if you're in Google Messages and then you try to video call someone. That's not Google Messages. What is that? That's Google Chat. What is Google Chat? Or Google Talk. I don't know.

1:24:48Marques Brownlee:What is it? How is that Google Talk? We're simulating a conversation that they have inside their own camera. What is that? What is that? What is Google Talk? How is that different from what I made? We made that?

1:24:57Andrew Edwards:You made that? Is that the phone one? Is that the one where you got a phone number? No, that's Google Voice. Voice, yeah. Okay, which is different than Google Talk. Why is there not just one? What are your own? This is the last 15 years of Google. Death taxes Google messaging apps. That's not Google Talk. I'll die on that hill. Anyway, they're a little more distinguishable now. I don't know what that is, bro. I don't f***ing know anymore. I'm out of it. Yeah, in Gmail, I believe Google Chat is what they think of as their Slack competitor. It's like I am. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like Teams or something.

1:25:32Google Chat. Yeah, it's like Teams. They used to have a chat thing in the email. did they just like fully remove it? it's still in there it's still in Gmail but it's also a separate app because they're trying to make it like Microsoft Teams they've also got Google Voice I get it I just gotta say Google Keep also got an icon update which means they did remember it exists I thought they were gonna kill it I'm kinda happy it's still here

1:26:03Marques Brownlee:we all thought it was on the chopping block because they updated tasks right or they were they did tasks when they also updated the task icon yes it is beautiful so both people did something and Google sites also is Google site it's a web development like platform it's like it's like baby Squarespace you don't need any of this anymore because you can just vibe good it now yep I don't really their Google Sites is for sure on the chopping block I feel like they were like hey Gemini create an app icon for that one because we're probably going to get rid of it soon. Anyway, that's pretty fun. I think this has been a long podcast, so I think that we should just actually let's do one more really quick story.

1:26:44YouTube TV is now letting you do multi-view layouts.

1:26:47Marques Brownlee:I like it. So I'll be able to watch mostly watch the Knicks series and then like in a little separate view I'll be able to be like, how much are the Sixers losing by? Oh, come on, brother. Look, oh my God. 20 points to Marquez.

1:27:00Andrew Edwards:You do realize that we had, it was the largest fourth quarter comeback in NBA playoff history. Really? Last game.

1:27:08Marques Brownlee:All right, that's props. How much was that?

1:27:09Andrew Edwards:I need to make sure I get that.

1:27:11Marques Brownlee:Like a 20, I assume that's a pretty big comeback. I will just say to Ellis' point, this week I am a Sixers fan. No, that's, guys, we can't talk about basketball. Guys, we gotta stop talking about the basketball.

1:27:22Andrew Edwards:No, no, I gotta say, you and Alex are really pissing me off with that stuff. No. Because the only reason that you're saying that is because you think we're a bad team you could beat in the second round. Absolutely. You have to make a tech analogy to keep... I would not have added this last story if I knew we were going to talk about basketball again.

1:27:37Marques Brownlee:We have to make a tech analogy to talk about ball. So if you want to talk... You can talk tech all you want, but if you're going to talk ball, how about you have like a tech angle? Here, here.

1:27:45Andrew Edwards:The Sixers... The Sixers are like... Are like Blue Sky. What? Okay, I'm going to hear this out. You know what I mean? Tell me. I'm listening. Blue Sky. Super fun to look at. Fediverse this? Yeah. Super fun to look at. Fediverse this. Tons of crazy promises. They're like, give us time. It's never going to actually be good. Okay. But you know what? We're all here for the ride. That's valid. You know, I'm on board.

1:28:12Marques Brownlee:I'm on board. I'm with you. Thank you. Well, one of our best studio shorts is making tech analogies, and I think we should keep doing them.

1:28:17Andrew Edwards:I like it.

1:28:18Marques Brownlee:Yeah.

1:28:18Andrew Edwards:Also, I think that's a bad analogy. Also, I like Blue Sky. I'm just mad because everyone here hates my freaking basketball team and my Joel.

1:28:26Marques Brownlee:I think David relates very much. Yeah. About hating his team? No, about like the frustration of Blue Sky never going to be actually a thing. But there's so many good ideas under the surface that people will never see because they never give it a chance. When I went, yeah. Dude, trust the process. Dude, the protocol is so good. The protocol is amazing. And when I went to. Yeah. Yeah. What are you doing? It's working. Am I missing something here? It's working. And when I went to Atmosphere Conf, like there were so many people making really, really, really awesome things. Dude, if you had a Blue Sky hat on right now, this would be the perfect analogy.

1:28:56This would be amazing. Yeah, exactly. Paul, if you're hearing this, if you guys make hats, send one my way so that I can compete with Ellis' Sixers hat. That was a hilarious little segment because it worked perfectly. David, you don't know, but that was a perfect analogy. It was actually great.

1:29:14Andrew Edwards:AI was the answer. Joel Embiid is the process. And now we got Vijay, the protocol. That's not what they call him. The last thing I want to say about this YouTube TV thing doing Multiview layout, and I'm stealing this directly from Mariah where she said this in Slack. Just do it with YouTube, you cowards. She's here. Let her say it. Oh, wait. Actually, um... Hold on. Hold on. You want to watch two YouTube videos at once? Mariah, say it. I was silenced. Mariah, say the words. I want YouTube stim station. Why can't I play more than one YouTube video at the same time? At the same time? If you can do it with TV, like a bar, how a bar has it where they have like four games playing at the same time why can't my house have four youtube videos happening all on what's four youtube videos do you want to watch anything i would love to know no are you thinking about let's play one corner

1:30:04Marques Brownlee:podcast in the other corner but you count the audio here's something here's something i recently learned it's kind of the opposite of what you're asking for is youtube knows that people watch a video on their tv and then they pull out their phone and they have their phone and they're looking for the next video to watch on their phone. And so they're working on better multi-screen experiences where you're watching a video on your TV and you can control that video, but you also can like pick the next, cue up the next videos you want to watch on your TV. So you're not watching two videos at once, but it's aware that you are using YouTube in two places at the same time and making them talk to each other.

1:30:40I also think the reason they want to have multi-view on YouTube TV is so that they can be shown at bars and show off multiple games at the same time. Twice as many ads. that as well. And they could just lie to their advertisers that people are actually consuming those advertisements. This is so crazy. But it makes sense for bars. Makes sense for

1:30:56Andrew Edwards:bars. Just let me split screen. We literally live in a world where it's like, I want to watch this YouTube video, but my attention span doesn't work well enough, so I'm going to put Subway Surfers in a separate video below. You know there's like in-programming advertising for this in Amazon Prime, right? Like when you watch NBA games, not to bring it back to basketball, I swear it's not about basketball, When you watch NBA games on Amazon Prime, the announcer, like the guy who's calling the plays in the game, will say... Reggie Miller? Yeah, he'll be like, no, Reggie Miller's ESPN. Stop tributing to this.

1:31:27Andrew Edwards:No, no. The guy who's calling plays, he'll be like, NMB makes a crazy three. By the way, you can also watch another game by clicking this button on your remote. And it's like, what? That's crazy. Like, why does the basketball man know about my remote? Yeah, it does happen. Yeah, I did watch. I watched a little bit of the second season of Fallout recently. And during the ads, you can just tap. It's like buy this on Amazon. And so one click thing during the ad where you could just click one button and a product gets shut to your house. And I was like, this is dystopia. Dude, Amazon Prime Video is the most dystopian.

1:32:02Andrew Edwards:When you're like watching a sports game and it's like, here's the betting odds baked into the UI. And you're just like, yeah, let's just do the trivia. Let's just do the trivia. It's been a long day. Bring it on, baby. Trivia, dude. Quick update on the score. Yeah. Marquez with 21. Andrew, who is not here, with 22. David, 26. And Ellis with zero. Wait, should my points go towards Andrew? Yeah, they'll probably count towards Andrew. Okay, I think that'll make sense. I got you. Does he, though? No. First question. What does GSM stand for?

1:32:38Marques Brownlee:You know how I thought I knew it earlier? How'd you think you knew it? I actually don't know. I don't know at all. I should know this. I should really know this.

1:32:49Andrew Edwards:I think if you guys use your imagination, you can figure it out.

1:32:52Marques Brownlee:Do we get one point per correct letter? No. That would be crazy. I can't afford to go behind by that many points.

1:33:03All right. Flip them and read. What do you got? I really should know this. This is crazy. Ellis is way over time.

1:33:09Marques Brownlee:Ellis, you're still writing? Ellis has read both of our answers and is now writing these out. This is crazy. This is normally a disqualification. Yeah, it's fine. It's for the meme. It's fine. All right, what do you guys got? I'm guessing. So I wrote some generic terms down. I said general service module. Oh, that's good. No, that is good. I tried. I wrote global, serialized, mobile. Yeah, I don't know. Close. Really? Ish. Oh. Global. Two out of three? I think global is probably right.

1:33:40Andrew Edwards:Yeah, global's correct. I put global. Should I go just Alexander? Stop. Mobile. Correct. The correct answer was global system for mobile communications. Wait, are you serious? That's what I... That's what you put first? That's what I put and I was like, global system mobile doesn't make any sense. Are you kidding? That's why I said you had to use your imagination. Andrew, I'm sorry. Are you doing this for Andrew's points? That's crazy. All right, gamers. this week in history iTunes was launched. What was the name of Apple's proprietary DRM system enforcing playback restriction? Can we have a hint?

1:34:20No. Damn.

1:34:22Marques Brownlee:None of us are going to get it. You sound like me. This is a really hard question. I had a softball question before this. I wanted to go harder. It's going to be the same points. We literally never get points on this podcast so I can give you my other one as well if you want it after. I would do that. That's fair.

1:34:41Marques Brownlee:I thought you guys were nerds. You should know this. Bro, internal DRM nomenclature? What are you talking about?

1:34:48Andrew Edwards:I should know this.

1:34:49Marques Brownlee:Yeah, I thought Ellis might know it if I were to guess. I'd put best odds on Ellis, but I'm not going to get it. Yeah. All right, I put iTunes secure payments. I put he protect. I put no ownership for you. What the f***? Oh, you're all so close. it was called fair play like share play and air play they would call it something fair as if it's fair I mean it's more fair than it's more fair than all streaming

1:35:20Andrew Edwards:services can I have the erase can we do one more question I would like someone to get one point you guys should definitely get this one and if you don't

1:35:31Marques Brownlee:I don't know what's the name of Tim Cook's father Mr. Cook I met someone from Alabama on my recent trip and I was prepared with the fun fact that Tim Cook is from Alabama Did you tell them? Yes, I did And he was like Did they like it? And they were like, oh, I didn't know because they were from Alabama. They're like, there's not that much. Sorry, Arkansas And they were like, there's not that much star from Arkansas. We have this one thing with Walmart and this other thing And I was like, Tim Cook's from Arkansas He's from Alabama

1:36:07Marques Brownlee:I guess I didn't retain that information as well as I was hoping that was last week's question that is last week huh damn it doesn't get better than this folks no do not cut that it doesn't get better than this alright give us your softball we're just gonna google it and be like he totally thinks Alabama and Arkansas are the same Nah, they're just gonna believe you, bro. That's not a thing that I think they want to fact check you on. In the song, they do go Alabama, Arkansas. Right? It's because they're both A. They're next to each other. Yeah, they're next to each other. Are they actually next to each other?

1:36:42I think so. That makes sense. Because I don't know where else they'd be. All right. All right. Bonus question. Bonus. My question for you is, which year of WWDC introduced dark mode to iOS?

1:36:56Andrew Edwards:Oh, my God. Is it prices right? That's not an easy question. Come on, you should know this shit. Is it delta or price is right? Dark mode. I mean, if you're within like a... No, get it right or don't.

1:37:07Marques Brownlee:What year? Wow. What year? I gotta count backwards. God. Wait, dark mode? Oh. Hurry up, hurry up. I thought Marques would know because he loves dark mode. I do, but I didn't... I have a reason why I have my guess, but I'm not sure it's right.

1:37:27Andrew Edwards:David's mine is bigger it means it's more right alright gamers Ellis what do you got I put 2019

1:37:34Marques Brownlee:that's go is that really right I also put a smaller 2019 David what'd you put I can tell you why I thought it was 2019 my logic because I didn't remember wait was I tried to pick the iPhone that was most likely to ship with dark mode which is iPhone 7 that's what I thought the jet black iPhone 8 so I went back counted back from 17 to 8, so minus 9. Whoa. Wow. So you did the math wrong. I did the math wrong. It's like the teacher. It's like, you did this wrong, but you somehow ended up with the right answer. If you said show your work, I would get it wrong, but I landed on the same number Ellis did, and that's what that's.

1:38:14I was thinking about the dark mode, the automatic dark mode icons, which only happened a few years ago. That was like two years ago. Yeah, 2023 or 2024. I was thinking, and I...

1:38:26Andrew Edwards:I thought, what year did Apple not really release anything at all?

1:38:30Marques Brownlee:In the dark mode. That's a great... Yes. Fair enough. Hey, we got the right answers. Dang. I'll take the points. Andrew will take the points. Wait, that was like a fake question, right? No, we needed... Andrew, I got you, bro. Very nice. All right. Hey, thanks for watching. Thanks for tuning in. Thanks for subscribing, of course, and for sticking to us with the video version so you can see all the hats we're wearing every episode. I'm sure next week we'll have different hats. Paul, good old. We will catch you next week with our regularly scheduled programming. See you later. WaveFern is produced by Adam O 'Lean, Alice Rowan, and this week by Mariah Zank.

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