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1:00What is going on, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. This is back to your regularly scheduled episode. If you didn't already see, we had a special episode earlier this week, launched on Tuesday, all about AI. You should check out that conversation. It's over an hour. It's a bonus episode. It's very in-depth, and I think it's awesome. But this is back to your regular chat show shenanigans, and we do have a lot to talk about. weirdly it's all actually i was just looking at this not yeah it's a lot of future stuff or like stuff that's on the horizon which is really interesting and then the only thing that's not future is ai because it's now irony but it's very silly ai so yeah it's very different yeah it happens um but first off video viewers can see what i'm doing but audio listeners are confused right now i'm pointing out the mic that i'm speaking into which is a newly color-weared red and black Electrovoice RE27.

2:00So it sounds the same, but it looks way cooler. So shout out to Colorware for getting us all now on the red and black beat. We are officially all customized with waveform mics. Officially all customized. Not any of us. When they can do us personally maybe in a few years. Well, it has the waveform logo. Yours is on the bottom. Mine's on the bottom as well. These ones also have red grills. Yeah, I forgot about that. off oh right yeah just easter we know about it yeah not everybody knows about it wait do you hear what i've read new people where are you guys getting the waveform logo matt black forehead that like weird upper chest where it kind of pokes through your shirt and then like you can tell it's just straight across your chest wow waveform logo would look kind of sick right there i'm thinking like one on each eyelid oh oh i didn't think about nice that's crazy anyway uh we do have some uh evs i wanted to talk about i put them in the slack and i feel like this is it was more just like me reacting to how weird these are but also i feel like looking at these two we're about to talk about i had the same reaction that most skeptics had when seeing the cyber truck for the first time so i hope i'm just as wrong about these as everyone else was about the cyber truck but let's just start with the infinity vision qe electric wait real quick what was everyone wrong about with the Cybertruck that would never come out?

3:23Most people said this thing's never coming out. A lot of people said that. Never five years? They're not that far apart. Well, that's a great point because a lot of concept cars do have a large gap between when they're initially unveiled and when they actually happen. So given them that benefit of that doubt and probably a gap in design between the initial concept and the final thing, we can think about these two in that context so infinity vision qe electric if you look at the pictures of this thing and their renders uh it's a sort of a giant sleek super modern looking sedan type thing uh fully electric and there's also a picture of like a lineup of four things which is this sedan it has the typical crazy alien looking wheels but also like some crossovers and then an suv all in the name of uh infinity's new electric lineup one thing i feel like with a lot of these concept images is what are those um like rgb gamer lights people put in the background of their like a roll sets philips hue not the philips hue what are the triangle ones do you know where you like layer them all differently on the wall yeah i forgot i know what you're talking about i feel like every concept ev these days is just like nano leaf it's like this whole car is made out of nano leaf let's Lights wherever we feel like.

4:41This whole grille looks sick, but I can't imagine lights being in all of these positions. The grille goes all the way out into the lights, which the lights go all the way back into the wheel well. Fully across the front of it. Yeah, it's everywhere. Under the front lip. If you scrape it, you just break some of your lights. Those rims are probably nano leafs. It's a lot. I don't think it's that bad looking. I just don't think it looks like a today car. You know? I mean, it doesn't even look like it has a door. no maybe a little bit of a door well every car yeah doesn't look like it has doors or mirrors that's pretty classic yeah there's a there's not many there's basically no specs about this it's pure concept but it is like part of infinity's announcement of that they're revamping into a fork i don't know if it's into a four car lineup or a new four car lineup by 2030 two of which will be evs i'm hoping that means the other two are at least hybrids um since that's what the route everyone else seems to be going um but just the it looks very similar in the back here you're getting that very like ev bar light front light up logo sleek looking design um looks like a snowplow this does look like a snowplow you know speaking of a sedan that looks like a snowplow okay the other one is from nissan nissan announced a concept called the nissan hyperforce what the heck is this oh my god this is a uh described on motor1.com a beefy ev it is a two-door with uh solid state batteries with over 1300 horsepower and a top speed of about 200 miles an hour this is something that i would have driven in like forza on playstation one not because they wanted to look cool but because the graphics were so bad polygon count way down i feel like it looks very like playstation one twisted metal of like super sharp edges that are partially to make it look dangerous and also like you said because it's polygon and like can't they don't have the the graphics drivers to do it yet um but yeah can can one of you guys this this isn't a direct quote from like the nissan news press release on nissan.com but this right here highlighted can one of you read this for me please because it's absurd who wants to do it this is a quote from nissan all right the nissan the nissan hyperforce is designed for racing enthusiasts and gamers who crave the adrenaline rush of the racetrack but are also eco-conscious

7:19that's a pitch gamers gamers man just no one's been thinking of the race enthusiast and gamers together. I think they have the niche market perfect here. There's so many things about this car. There's a photo of it in real life. Yes. So it is one step further. This one isn't just renders. It looks worse. It looks significantly worse. Wait. Have you seen the interior mockups? Oh, no. Yeah, yeah. Wait. Okay. So I have this. If you click on the link, David, I want you to go through the gallery here and I need your descriptive capabilities. Alright, so the original car yeah it looks like a it looks like a racing car that doesn't have enough polygons um the front grille is like way too low to the ground and also like flat it's gonna scrape really easily yeah for we didn't mention it yet this is very much similar to the gtr the like it's the gtr kind of body style of this like coupe really long front end a wing on the back but very very i call it like a gtr by the cyber truck designer exactly um but yeah can you the photos you want me to look yeah i would like you to just go through those more towards the end when it gets to like the interior is where um there's also a couple other in nissan concept evs in there that are also wild looking wait what is this i'm getting there the reason that i think it's really easy to doubt that this will ever come out is because many reasons yeah there are many reasons but i think it's mainly in that it's nissan and nissan doesn't really do this type of thing very often the last time they did uh gtr was what 15 years ago how old is the gtr i think they have a newer gtr than that okay but they're they don't they don't really focus on no there's a thousand plus horsepower hypercars in the same way that some other companies there's a current gtr did Did you see this photo of their entire lineup?

9:13Yes. It's like they're trying to make every car they make look like a Cybertruck. Like a game character, but like PlayStation 1. It's like when they made the Jetsons and you're like 40 years behind trying to envision the future. And that looks like it's trying to show us cars from 2070. Oh my God. Okay, so which one feels more out of the norm for the company? What is this? The van. The van. the minivan is like if the oh man i don't even know how to describe it you took the base cube in blender you extruded it and then used like a random map yeah it feels kind of like remember the scion what was the xb the box the like really boxy one and it was a minivan and then you're just like let's make all the lines really extruded i just got to the yeah so the interior what can you describe that um it looks like if you were wearing a vr headset what you would look around and see in the game you were playing yeah everything is really like low resolution um there are red lights everywhere the the controller slash steering the fact that you're calling the steering wheel a controller kind of so it's pretty well it's a stock that has a big screen on the front that tells you how fast you're going.

10:31It kind of looks like a switch. Like a really high tech switch. I gotta be honest. This is one of the worst renders I've ever seen. This is like Tron but the one that got rejected for being too weird. Yeah, as like the first iteration. I see nothing good. What is this? Okay. It is. So like the interior is like insanely not possible. It's just like it's similar. What was that Audi? There's a guy sitting in it. Do you remember that Audi one? That's where like the steering wheel come like folds out and then like it was supposed to drive you while you go snowboarding yeah it feels like that concept okay yeah they have a photo of the car next to an anime character for some reason gamers man gamers gamers okay well you know they certainly did that it's the renders look cool i would pick that car in a video game very quickly you know this feels like this feels like they're trying to be be hyundai or hyundai but i wanted to bring that up but it's like the first sketch that hyundai ever made of what their cars would be in six years it reminds me of like if what was that the um uh why can't i remember the name of it the like hydrogen slash ev hyundai concept that um yeah the um it's like sort of coming out or whatever the very like um what's the back to the future car why can't i remember the delorean the delorean-esque i think it was like the n74 yeah um correct ellis and i both went to tell you at the same time vision 74 that looks awesome yes it's like if the n74 was designed by somebody with class and the the hyper force was designed by a gamer yeah yeah it looks like a razor car in their first year of game development all right here's a question which is more of a step out of the norm for the company that first unveiled it the cyber truck or this this yeah step out of the norm because tesla had never made a truck had never made a pickup had never made a stainless steel weird looking box before yeah it's a lot of things they'd never done before yeah nissan has done a gtr they have done a two-door sports car muscle car thing but this one i feel like it's crazy elon's brain is so random at times that anything that feels surprising is not surprising by virtue of that fact fair i like i think if you take the gta this i keep calling it the gtr the hyper force and just like that name kind of forget about all these like flashy interior things and then maybe potentially there is something that looks like this later it doesn't seem as insanely unreasonable for nissan to do it i still don't know they also talk a lot about this being like a track car so does that mean that they're gonna have like a super low they're not trying to make this a everyday type of car that they'll sell in the masses so that's the thing about uh speed is like nissan has never made a track car i don't think they ever made a track car and do you consider the gtr track car i don't okay and so i think some people might disagree with you on that i would argue with them about that okay so i think the the availability of speed slash power because of ev powertrains is easier than ever before it seems like anyone can make a all-wheel drive quad motor a thousand horsepower sedan i mean we've got a couple already that exist and more on the way so that part doesn't seem crazy it just seems like the challenge for all of them is to make it light enough and nimble enough to actually be more than just a straight line monster which like lucid i want to test the i would say i would consider that still like a track car like straight line monster but on a track and uh more i mean i think i get yeah i know what you mean between like drag racing straight line racing and like track driving like evs overheat and don't really perform well on tracks most of the time the best example I've ever seen is the Lucid Air Sapphire, which has like track modes in the car.

14:39There's an endurance mode, which is like you can do 10 laps on a normal track before it overheats. Or they'll have like a sprint mode, which is like, here's your time attack, one lap, and then it will overheat. So gas cars typically don't have that sort of problem. Like that's the engineering challenge of making an electric track car. And it's very, very early days for that problem. Is Nissan going to be the one to do it i don't know they've never made a particularly incredible track car before so i don't really have the most faith in that that's why it's so surprising to me i think so we'll see we'll see i didn't answer your question i don't know which one's weirder to be honest the cybertruck's coming out it but that's true yeah maybe this will come out someday this will turn into something eventually they're 100 going to do an electric gtr-esque type thing eventually It makes a lot of sense.

15:27This is what it looks like? Okay. I'm not betting on it. Hot take. The GTR is not that good looking either. I go back and forth on the GTR. I weirdly kind of dig it. It's a big, muscly car. Some people are going to like it. Sometimes you just got to be a big, muscly man to like it. So there's our two EV concepts. I guess that got off track a little bit. What else? Oh, we have another concept. We do. Okay. Yeah, this one is... So... This is weird. Bendy phone is back. Yeah. This gets a little bit closer to Ellis' ultimate vision of the crumple phone. It does. What's the flat bracelet? So Lenovo actually first showed off this bendable phone concept in 2016, and they're bringing it back seven years later.

16:15It has improved. It's... Okay. I think the best way to describe it is, like, we're used to a folding phone that has one hinge and one point of folding. Yeah. But with OLED screens, it's kind of like we have with that folding monitor or the bending monitor that you can go from straight to curved and kind of lock it in any place. This is a phone where any point can bend pretty much. Imagine if your phone was a slap bracelet. I like to say, imagine if your phone was developed by Joby Pod. Yeah. And the like legs of a Joby Pod that can just kind of go all over the place. That's what this kind of feels like.

16:53Yeah. Yeah. So concepts. I don't. Apparently, they've updated it since 2016 and it looks a little bit better. The technology is definitely more there now. I think that in 2016, we didn't have these special types of foldable, like bendable displays. Now we do. So it is something that could theoretically come out. And there are weird concepts that have come out like the TCL paper display phone and other weird stuff. but I very highly doubt this will actually come out. I think that apparently they were only on stage with it for two minutes, which is one whole minute longer than they were on stage with it in 2016.

17:32So I imagine they just kind of wanted, it was at Lenovo Tech World, which is a conference that Lenovo puts on apparently. And I think that they just wanted to come out and show that they are working on R &D projects so that investors put more money into Lenovo. I'm pretty sure that's it. Yeah, it has CES vibes. Definitely. And this is one of those concepts that you look at it and you're like, that's cool. But why, though? Yeah. And I don't have a good answer. I mean, sometimes you just got to make stuff that you're never going to ship so that elements of that thing might eventually ship. That's true.

18:05And then you get to say you were ahead of the curve. And you also get to maybe get the idea. The bend. That was totally on purpose. I was thinking of it. But you also have the idea out there. So maybe some geniuses can think of good ideas for it, even though you didn't think of any other than slap bracelet. Yeah. This is also a very Lenovo thing to do because they were the first ones to come up with like the tent mode, you know, in laptops. Yeah, that like bending like tablet they had. Yeah, the yoga book. And yeah, they like doing bendy stuff. There's a couple interesting ways. Like I think it's also kind of interesting to just think of how it can bend where like we're so used to just thinking of one singular hinge that's right in the middle.

18:44they had a couple things that are like cool for one second but i don't know maybe if people had it it would be more interesting but one of them was like if it's a candy bar shaped phone that can bend anywhere they bent the bottom down just a little bit so then it could just stand vertically with that at the bottom then they they did tent mode the wrist thing they're doing is a little different there's like a bracelet it seems like it has that then magnetically straps onto it right um that whole wristband stuff feels a little weird i don't know if i fully it's just that you use your phone a lot so having to like take the bracelet off so that you can bend the phone back into regular phone mode just every time you want to use it is a lot and that's my other question about this that i doubt they look for in here but if this were to come out would it have some sort of mode where then it locked perfectly straight because if you think about ajobitrod remember ajobipod when you first get it it's like perfect and then it's like you bend it once and it is never perfect again yeah so like imagine your phone now you're like oh i just want it to be normal and then like every time you try and bend it straight there's like something and you're just constantly correcting it yeah that's tough i mean yeah i would think they would have some sort of way to snap it flat but then again we know almost nothing about this and it's a concept i will say though i mean seven years after the original one we are way way further down the line in being able to make bendable displays we didn't have any bendable displays in 2016 so this is a big it's cool and it does seem like the verge article about this the person who saw it claimed they also didn't hear a crunch this time which is reassuring so it sounds like they've definitely made some steps the first one in 2016 i think there's a video of this but it has this crunching noise when they bend like the royal flexpies exactly what i thought i don't know what that was but i'm sure that is the same noise the flexpies sounded like it had sand in it from the beginning yeah sounded like you were breaking it every time like cracking your knuckles or something props to motorola lenovo for doing this um it feels like since lg's been gone we don't have the weird wings and stuff like that so here we go i also just love how it doesn't seem to have a name and everyone just keeps call it the bendy phone yeah i mean if they marketed it if they just straight up released this as the motorola bendy i think i'd be i'd have to be in just so i can say that's what i have the motorola bendy that's true i'd probably wear it as an ankle bracelet that's whoa whoa i'm just saying can i can i can i make a statement okay this is a public statement okay i want careful careful the health features of a smart watch but i don't want to wear a smart watch so i've always been like can someone make something and i can wear on my ankle wait what about the ring i'm not wearing a ring the aura ring that's like a less intrusive than an ankle bracelet.

21:30Yeah, but then either people are going to think I'm married or... You don't have to, you just wear it on a different finger. But what about an ankle bracelet? That might be worse. Yeah, then they just think you're on home. Yeah, I'll arrest you. I don't know, I mean... I wish they would have just been like smart handcuffs. Yeah. Like, I don't know, it's just a lot of people, when I say this to a lot of people, they're like, they have chest monitors and I'm like, that's too interesting. They do have a chest and a bicep monitor. That's a lot. Yeah, it's a lot. I wish Apple would make a whoop, is basically what I want.

21:59I want Apple to make a home arrest bracelet for my ankle. Wait, the Pixel Watch 2 is kind of this. A home arrest bracelet? No, no, no. It's a Fitbit, but a little bit bigger. So it's like a watch. He doesn't want a smartwatch. Yeah, but I don't want a smartwatch. Oh, you don't want to watch at all? I want a watch. I just don't want a smartwatch. You can put the whoop on your bicep. You can. And they have clothing where you can wear it in your undies and stuff. Like a little sensory. You have to buy special clothing. The amount of times I would wash that. Yeah. It has a pocket. You wash your whoop every day.

22:28Guys, I'm just saying make me an ankle bracelet. That's all I'm asking for. I would be interested in the ring. I think Fitbit used to, a long time ago, make a thing that would go into the back of your shoe, and it was just a pedometer. I don't need a pedometer anymore because your phone is a really good pedometer at this point. But all the other help pages would be nice. It would be cool if they could just somehow do a band that could fit underneath your regular watch band. So then you just get the data. Oh, that'd be cool. wait data that the watch couldn't get like you could attach it to a regular watch and be able to switch your watches out every day or a piece that could attach to it could use like uh induction or i'm not that much of a watch man i don't know i'm just throwing out the ideas that i don't know how to make them happen i'm just an idea man not a not i don't know i'm not a ring i'm not a ring guy so it is funny to hear people describe because there are some pseudo smart watches that they look like regular watches but they do have some like withings yeah but it is funny to hear like i don't want a smart watch i want a regular watch but i want it to have smart features some of those just the tracking though you know i think like a smart watch fossil and tag cure is i am i pronouncing that right they do have like regular watches that are smart watches but i think just in the watch game people don't love withings for sure yeah but i don't want a smart watch i want an ankle bracelet.

23:52It sounds like we're coming up with ideas for someone who just wants to plug an ankle bracelet. I didn't ask for alternatives. I just want an ankle bracelet. If Wise listens to this, they could have you an ankle bracelet by the end of the week, I think. If someone wants to modify a home arrest bracelet and send it to me, I might use that. If you have an extra home arrest bracelet, I don't know what to... Well, that'd be cool, though, because if people did see it, they'd think I was hard. Isn't there that dog collar the five and you could just like strap that around your around my neck around no around your ankle i'm still trying to go for the ankle or you could just wear a dog collar when you still get to wear your watch mission accomplished like that guy seems pretty cool yeah i don't think we could make choke they can make okay i think we need the ad break here let's i'm going to cut this off i bet you can get a lot of data from your agent that's the best place for heartbeat That's what I'm saying.

24:47I'm pretty sure. Yeah. Smart choker. Yep. Trivia. Hot topic. That's your next tech idea, right? Trivia. Some Gen Z paper. Hot topic. All over that. Nissan has a history of making cars. Like the GTR that you guys mentioned. Do we have a car question for me? The skyline. Is the same as doing a... The Ultima. A gaming question for Marquez. Or any question for me. The Leaf. The Leaf. They make a lot of cars is the point I'm trying to get. Okay. They do. What was the first one? The first Nissan? The first Nissan car. What was it called? Ever made? Ever made. And is it one of those that you just mentioned?

25:21No. Since I know none of us are getting this. Yeah, we're not. If no one gets it, can we also write the year we think it came out? And then we can get points for a year? I also have a backup Nissan question just in case. Would you rather do that? We can do both. I mean, none of us are going to get it. Yeah, none of us know. We'll get that one later. Don't let the audience wait for that one. Let them. They got to need something to stick to the end. Needs on. That can't be the second question, though. It can't be two Nissan questions. We'll do three questions in the episode. Oh, my goodness. And they're all Nissan.

25:53Kill me. No. One of them is Apple. All right. Apple. All right. Well, we'll get there. We'll get there. That's a tease for the next segment. We'll answer after the break. We'll be right back.

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27:38culture, the climate, and more. Read, watch, and listen to The Guardian for free at theguardian.com. All right, welcome back. Now, we got to talk about Apple's new October event. Is it October? Yeah, it's October. It's a spooky event. October event. So they announced a new event that we're all pretty sure what we're going to see, but not exactly, but pretty sure. It's called Scary Fast, and they sent out the invitations. It's an October 30th event. So the day before Halloween, which is, you know, it's kind of spooky, I guess. Is this in person? Mischief night. They have said that it is a live streamed event.

28:17So that's all that they've said. I think we're all seeing rumors of other things as well. But if you go to Apple's website, the spooky black Apple logo turns into a Finder face. Dark Finder. Dark Finder. Yeah. And so that's basically all of our cue that it's probably Max. That's Finder. it's on the mac it's a mac thing yeah definitely yeah also it's at 8 p.m yeah it's a no latest apple event ever i don't think it's a 5 p.m pacific so 8 p.m eastern yeah very spooky time the big question on all of our minds is what is tim cook gonna say good evening at the beginning of this keynote. Boo. His whole face just shows up on the screen.

29:05Good evening. If he does good evening. Dude, if he actually says good evening. He probably has to. He could say it in a spooky Count Dracula voice. Wait, if he says good evening, then Adam can redo the door thing to do good morning when we get in in the morning and good evening as we leave at night. I can 100 % do that. Interesting. You're 100 % loyal to Apple. I think, because obviously you can't say good morning. I don't know why they chose this time. It is the day before Halloween. Because it's scary. What if they recorded it in an area where it was morning at 8 p.m. on the East Coast and then you still could say good morning?

29:40That would just be weird to say it even though you know it's going to be at night. I don't know. Anyway, the point is we're expecting to see some new Macs, probably M3 stuff. I think the one that comes to my mind immediately when you say that is the iMac, which has been sitting at the M1 for a while. the M2 chip is out but the iMac just never got it so it's just been kind of sitting around everyone's waiting for a refresh so this seems like the opportune time to refresh the iMac with the new M3 chip probably three nanometer maybe four nanometer not exactly sure yeah but an improvement to the node process there and maybe some other stuff alongside it this makes a lot of sense because traditionally when you're making like a lot of chipsets you want to put them in as many devices as possible so that you can scale up production so you can make it cheaper however yeah i'm sure that they had leftover m1s and so and you don't know what to do with those right they can't actually they can't just like sell them to other companies as parts so that i think what they did was they just put all of the extra m1s in the imacs yeah and they just kept selling the m1 imac until they ran out of m1 chips who's the least likely to care about not getting m2 exactly probably just the colorful imac crowd the colorful imac is like the home computer and to be fair computer yeah to be fair they're totally right they are right it's just it's just the default computer that you you don't really do anything too performance focused on and the m1 version is already dramatically better than the intel version so you're good and that's actually totally fine yeah but before we get too deep into this yeah is it is it just rumors and stuff that we're thinking m3 and not yeah potentially just an m2 iMac oh wow that would be really weird like they i just i have to ask okay when they do super minor updates they typically can just do a crush that's a very good so the fact that they're having a whole announcement event says it's it's more than like we got the apple pencil with usb as a press release it's got to be a bigger update than that m2 was also announced an entire year ago so i really don't think that they would they wouldn't have a whole event for m2 do you know it'd be spooky going into an event thinking you're getting an M3 and then getting an M2 iMac?

31:49And then the cobwebs come in and they're like, yes, it's spooky, yes. Apple would get so much negative press for that. It would be pretty rough. Yeah, I think we're all pretty convinced it's M3. I think the question mark is, are we going to get MacBook Pros as well? And will it be M3 Pro and M3 Max or whatever? Are we going to get that stuff also at this event? It would be weird because the M2 MacBook Pros and M2 Pro and M2 Max devices got announced in January of this year. And so if they did M2 Pro and Max and M3 Pro and Max in the same year, that would be a really fast turnover. That would be crazy.

32:23Weren't we also, and I might be completely wrong on this, the January release, wasn't that kind of a weird release where there were some rumors where it might have been like pushed out of a fall release? Yeah, it was like that weird half hour event that we thought maybe was cut out of the previous year fall event yeah possibly so then like that could kind of still go on track if you're thinking of what potentially the original release date for them would have been it's like this year but in tech world it feels like a decade ago yeah because it was almost 11 months am i wrong that they announced the like m not pro or max like air macbook airs before they do the pro and max uh macbook pro yeah baseline m3 stuff is always baseline stuff is first baseline stuff is typically it would be imac air and base ipad i guess i feel like it would make more sense to update the macbook air with m3 before they did the pros yeah or maybe they also do that at this event or i like ipad 2 we've talked about how uh the ipad there's still a baseline ipad with uh lightning that they need to update i think mark german said he doesn't expect ipads this year yeah yet i agree with you that that would make more sense yeah and then aren't the airs and the 13 inch macbook pros or whatever though yeah we're usually in june oh the oh that thing why do they still make that thing that would be the spookies that's that would be the 13 inch m3 touch bar max and 13 inch macbook pro with touch bar yeah um that's why this staggering of like silicon releases and laptops through Apple is so confusing because now when you've kind of skipped one we're very confused like yeah what threw us for a loop here do we have an event where we actually don't know every single thing yeah coming out this is I think Apple could be the company to really and this kind of segue so what we were about to talk about with Qualcomm but Apple could really be the company that just gets everyone pumped about silicon if they just did that as the thing for new releases So we got M3 and everything with M3 comes out at once, which is iMac, iPad, MacBook Air, whatever.

34:34All that M3 comes out. And then the next event, you're like, all right, here comes M3 Pro and M3 Max. And then you get the MacBook Pros that have that stuff. Yeah. And Mac Studio. And then Mac Mini maybe. And then lastly is the big reveal of M3 Ultra and then all the stuff that goes in that. Mac Studio, maybe a new Mac Pro thing happens. That is the cadence that I think would make the most sense. Yeah. But that's not how it happens. It's so confusing. So we'll just have to see. I mean, it's only a couple days away. By the time you hear this when it comes out on Friday, it's only like three days away.

35:05So it's coming up. I'm more excited for a nighttime Apple event than I am for M3. Is that just for Tim saying good evening? Yes. Okay. The memes are going to be hot. Fair. I agree. Let's take everyone take one guess on what you think it's going to be outside of an iMac or M3. Oh. Outside of a standard iMac. i should say oh oh oh that sounds like a prediction m3 max imac pro so imac pro andrew would imply some pro chip right m3 pro at least sure so and i think it just means apple puts the name pro on it i don't know what that actually means but we have m2 and m2 pro in separate devices so m3 being in the iMac would imply m3 pro in the iMac pro so that would be interesting you think they'll make an iMac pro that's the real question we don't have an iMac pro right now yeah we have just the base iMac the iMac pro we used to have which is a higher end xeon chip and some you know better memory and a couple other things was killed so we don't have studio kind of replaced it kind of replaces it but also at the same time with apple silicon and iMac Pro makes the most sense of like a killer monitor that has all the computing processor inside of it.

36:24That's true. Yeah. It'd be cool. I'm just going to go out on a limb and say iMac Pro just because I think that would be a fun. I want you to be right. And speaking of things I want to be right, I'm just going to throw out another rumor that was in the ether for a while, which was that 7K Pro Display XDR sequel. Just going to toss that out. Just in time for Christmas. Just in time to get it under the tree. Yeah. Just a nice quick little 20 minute Apple event. You know, I wish that was considered fast. although it could be fast if it had promotion that's what it might yeah do the pro display XDRs don't have promotion right right wow wait they don't they don't they're 60 not even with a thousand dollar stand not even with a thousand how much would the stand on the 7k uh pro pro display XDR matches of the XDR or the like the new one I don't think will be six thousand dollars I think it'll be cheaper that'll be very on Apple like I feel like Apple's lower the prices of a lot of stuff recently though like the entry-level pricing for everything they all if you also think about oh man we're very am i wrong i mean if you think about like mac pros and stuff it got cheaper because silicon made everything so much cheaper the mac pro got way cheaper yeah that's probably what i was thinking of which at this point now a pro display how much is an xdr the exact same six thousand dollars that's basically the same price as an almost maxed out mac pro now right crazy no mac pro starts at 6 000 and goes up from there to what to like 15 18 yeah but not 50 a maxed out yeah mac studio is like seven or eight right exactly which is a killer machine yeah yeah the monitor as much as you're that's crazy i got a prediction for this event.

38:10Let's hear it. USB-C accessories. Like the magic mouse. I would like that. The keyboard. I would really like that. Oh, if it came with a new iMac, maybe. That'd be cool. Yeah, if you ship a new iMac, you can't ship us a lightning keyboard with that thing. You sure as hell can. You can. You're right. You're right. You can. You can. But, like, come on. Actually, if you go on with what David was saying, if they just keep using the iMac to get rid of all the extra inventory they had, The iMac will have lightning for the next 30 years to get rid of all of it. The iMac never had lightning. They just used lightning accessories.

38:43Yeah, the lightning accessories. Well, the cable that it comes with or the keyboard because it comes with the keyboard and the mouse. A few billion extra lightning cables. If they make a magic mouse with USB-C, but it's still in the same spot. It would be. It would be. Oh, my goodness. There's nowhere else to put it. What? Wait. With the way it's designed. With the way it's designed. That's a huge asterisk. Apple can make a new mouse. Well, they could make a magic mouse. Apple should make a new... Maybe that's my prediction. A new mouse? We finally get a new mouse. Johnny Ives' fingerprints are no longer on everything.

39:22They're allowed to redesign their mouse to, God forbid, have a port somewhere other than the bottom. And maybe a button. I think you somehow... Or two. A button? I think you somehow made the more wild prediction than my iMac Pro prediction. Yeah. Also, why can't a Magic Mouse, they have wireless mice where the track, the mouse pad is the wireless charger. How is the Magic Mouse not done that yet? The portless Magic Mouse? Because they don't make wireless chargers that aren't MagSafe. Yeah. And you can't have a MagSafe mouse. It just keeps snapping in the middle every time. Stop! I can't use my mouse.

40:00It keeps snapping. Okay. My prediction is... How cool would that be, though? We need David's prediction. My analysis. Mine's safe on the top corner. Top corner. And you use the mouse and then you just leave it on the track pad and it charges? That'd be cool. Wait, that's kind of a sick idea. Yo, patent that or sell it to who makes all the accessories. My prediction is that Tim Cook is going to come out wearing a cape. Okay. I have the most reasonable prediction. I don't know, man. I think he's going to come out in a Dracula costume. A Dracula costume. With pumpkin head. It wouldn't... shocked me with any other company but it would with Apple.

40:35Wait, at least a cape. Like a Halloween event and they come out in a costume and you're like, what? At least a cape. If Tim Cook came out in a costume what would his costume be? Dracula. You're Dracula. Just a fake teeth. Obviously. I don't know about I don't think he needs the teeth. Let Tim Cook. I don't think he needs the teeth. I think he just needs the cape. If you have the Dracula cape, you need the fake teeth. I don't know if Tim if Tim's not going to wear the Vision Pro publicly I don't know if he's going to come out publicly. They won't wear their own headset publicly. They probably won't wear a Dracula costume.

41:05He would wear the cape, but not the teeth. That's my prediction. I'm going cape and teeth. I stand by this. But in the skit, he was just himself. Like, he's not the most versatile. Tim Cook comes out dressed as Craig Federese. Oh, that's just a wig. Yeah, interesting. Oh, man. Ellis, what's your prediction? Your costume or a product prediction? I don't know if I have like a super clear prediction. I'm like pretty confused about what they're on about this time around. But I will say I have been using a 2017 iMac Pro at home for the past few weeks a lot and loving it. So if they came out with a new iMac Pro, I'd be pretty jazzed.