CES 2025: the Good, the Bad, the Ugly

32:28Seems like it. Linus did a video of being the first one to game on one of these cards. It looks like it's going to be a good card, but I think that line was what got some of that. In Linus' video, he got to try Cyberpunk on two computers right next to each other. One had a 4090 in it, one had a 5090 in it. And from the frames he was getting, he was getting double the frames in Cyberpunk at full settings. Now, there's a lot of questions to how it was set up in the full settings. He went through it quickly. They're obviously going to pick things that work really well. And there were some things that weren't quite perfect.

33:00I think one of them specifically was if you're moving really fast, the text in the UI or floating text was blurry and some things weren't quite doing as well. So I'm interested to see what their real findings are when they're outside of the NVIDIA booth that they got captured into after the event. People are going to find ways to expose the AI part. I think the biggest question is like what you said, is if we're focusing so much on AI because they introduced Blackwell chipset or something in it. There's so much AI, and they even said the reason the 5070 can be comparable to the 4090 would be impossible without the AI enhancements that they made.

33:41So clearly there's a lot of AI helping in here, and whether those frames are comparable is what we will find out from all of these different gaming channels that dive really deep into it. But I think people listening to us, that right now aren't calling us morons because there's a lot of them and I understand why you're doing it. The other type of people who are like, oh, cool, a 50-70 might be somewhat comparable to a 40-90 and for$550. Those people probably will be like, cool, I'm getting some frames and things generally do look pretty good for this price tag. I think that's probably, I think the 50-70 looks like the more interesting lineup right now.

34:19The architecture of the chip is obviously going to be focused on AI because that's what NVIDIA is focusing everything on right now. And something that AI is good at is upscaling. So I would imagine that a lot of the frames that they're quoting is with their enhanced upscaling capabilities. Because you can just interpolate frames and have them be a higher quality and also interpolate resolution. So I imagine the discourse when these cards come out is going to be like, well, what's the true performance? And then like, oh, the upscaling kind of messed up here and it doesn't look perfect. And there's going to be a lot of discourse.

34:51Yeah, I almost want to make a graph of like the 4090 got here and this new card is going to get slightly higher, but then plus AI. Plus AI. Makes it double. You're like, oh, OK. And I think a lot of that will also depend on how optimized games are for specific things like that as well. So like there could be some optimizations where some games are going to run way better on this new AI chip or like the AI power from these new cards. So it's like every piece of tech, it's going to be super subjective to like what you're doing. And but either way, it's like I think this is hands down the most chatter from CES.

35:30Yeah. You know, it's funny. So the 5070, 549, I've not followed this stuff super closely for a long time. But in, I don't know, 2015 or something, 2014, when the 970 came out, I remember that being a big deal because I had four gigabytes of video memory except only three and a half of those giga... By the way,$349. So just saying, it was like$200 cheaper and that was considered a great deal. But I had three and a half gigs of super fast video memory and then half a gig of super slow video memory. They got sued over it. I got a$35 check in the mail of our law suit everyone's gotten that$30 check mine was from AMD a long time ago yeah also Jensen wore this alligator um he changed his jacket to be an alligator leather we're saying it was the RTX jacket he usually wears this jacket it was like a just a regular leather jacket that he wears at every single trade show but he upgraded it but he upgraded it to let me see if i can find a photo i'm sure if you generate a trillion dollars in shareholders you can just grab a new jacket i think that's sort of what the vibe is all the billionaires recently have been flexing uh zuck has his chains you know new jackets we're not billionaires i don't think we get to do that my favorite comment on one of the videos covering this was after he announced the pricing he pulled out this like cardboard cut out of like the chip so that he could show what all the different things were physically yeah what was holding in front of him was a big circle and someone's like he had to pull the shield out after he announced prices to the crowd that apparently just went kind of silent when the night the 5090 price cut i watched one of those super cuts of them showing the prices and them showing the 5070 got a lot of people riled up and then they revealed the entire price spectrum and Everyone went, oh.

37:28I will say 5080 999 to 5090 1 ,999 is nuts. That's crazy. There's got to be a 5080 Ti coming out at some point, right? Maybe at Computex. Something's going to slip in between there. 5060 and 5080 Ti. I have a question that might not be able to be answered if you haven't been in the thick of this for a while, but I'll throw it out there anyway. I'll try. Are GPUs in the same kind of category as smartphones where when the new one comes out, the last generation ones drop in price where they might be a better deal? they don't really sell them much anymore after that okay generally it's like you have to get them secondhand but they drop in price by a lot right because nobody wants a 40 70 anymore yeah even though it was probably just fine as a card literally a year ago yeah so i if they're available i'm sure they get grabbed pretty quickly when they drop and secondary market of gpus is like the worst thing you could go into because they'll all be like lightly used and lightly used means for crypto mining.

38:25They've been mining for two and a half years. They will probably just stop working soon. I have a question. Is this one of the first GPUs to quote to use AI to enhance performance? No, sure not. They've been using the DLSS thing for a while. Is it just like a rebrand of like, now we're calling this? I think they're dedicating more compute specifically to drive that more. I think that, I mean, this is the whole theme of CES in general is how can we lean into AI making our stuff better? And if you're NVIDIA, it's let's make as many improvements to this specific technology in these GPUs as possible, even though it's existed for a while.

39:03So that's how you get these numbers. Lots of flops going on. That's how I know. I have no idea what's going on. And we're just all AI. Don't fall for the trap. So yeah, that was the headlining event was NVIDIA's announcements. They also did a couple of quick things that David might be able to ask to do better on, which was their personal AI supercomputer and this robotic chip. Yeah. I tuned out for those. Yeah. Just being honest. They announced your own personal supercomputer, which, to be clear, they also announced a lighter, way cheaper version of this in December, which was$250 and could do 8 billion parameters, but they announced one at CES that can do 200 billion parameters and is$3 ,000.

39:49It was like the size of a Mac Mini. It was like a gold Mac Mini. It looks like, it sort of looks like a Mac Mini if it was 3D printed. A current Mac Mini? Yeah, a current Mac Mini. It's tiny. It's called NVIDIA Digits. It has 128 gigabytes of unified memory and 4 terabytes of NVMe storage. So definitely fast. You can link two of them together to handle 405 billion parameters. and for context I think Meta's top tier llama model is exactly 405 billion parameters so it's like you could run your own top tier llama model on it for $6 ,000. Yeah I guess my primary question is going to be what do you do with one of these?

40:27So it's mostly for startups and people that want to develop AI applications. But it is crazy because you used to have to rent out cloud processing for like a lot of money to be able to do this kind of stuff from different companies and now you can have one locally. The value proposition is like it runs dramatically faster and probably more efficiently if you have all this locally and you can do way more development on that machine rather than depending on paying someone for cloud processing. You own it in person instead of doing it in the cloud. Got it. And also you have access to all of NVIDIA's models and software libraries and development kits and stuff.

41:06Which have great names by the way. yeah they just all have great names they do lots of llamas and stuff it's just yeah great yeah um so it runs on a linux-based dgx os uh and supports all these different frameworks it's pretty cool for startups i would say like i think the 250 one is probably for like the hobbyist or high school student or college hobbyist which is becoming a thing it is yeah becoming a thing but if you're For a startup, like$6 ,000 to run two of these in parallel and run some of the top tier models is pretty good value proposition. I did not pay much attention to the robotics thing.

41:45I didn't. Okay. Here are the two things that I remember from it. And they're going to be extremely vague. And one is just more funny. So the one thing I saw is that they were developing some sort of like, I don't know, like digital teaching for humanoid robots. so like the reason we can do all this uh automation in cars is because we can attach cameras to cars and figure that out whereas we can't just send like test humanoid robots out all over the place so they have a lot of video that they're taking from to teach robots digitally and do all of these different um like tasks and stuff in a digital world so it's not creating massive wear and tear on robots and and chaos i guess yeah um which i thought was kind of cool but it has also done that to train its uh car systems okay it's like car visual learning systems digitally it trains them in a virtual world so it can do it way faster and without actually hurting anybody if we kept all of it in that digital world i'd be okay with yeah the other funny thing i just saw is i'm pretty sure it was on his screen and not physically but he like talked about this robotic chip and how like this new chip could power a robotic brain or like a function something of it and they brought up all these different potential like humanoid robots in the back and tesla bot just wasn't one of them which i thought was funny this is gonna be no optimus uh atlas was there oh so optimus was no yeah atlas was their optimus this is gonna be the ev week at the white house moment except for robotics huh he well i um tesla makes their own chip, right?

43:21Or do they use NVIDIA chips? So they make their own chips. Maybe NVIDIA is just trying to show things that use their own chips. Does the Boston Dynamics one use an NVIDIA chip? Probably. I wouldn't be shocked. I have no clue. I don't know, to be clear. But yeah, I would assume that that's what they're doing. So speaking of robots, let's move to something far more important. So I went through and just kind of picked out a bunch of fun CES picks. Lots of weird stuff. Lots of fun stuff. The first one because andrew said we're speaking of robots there are many new robot vacuums like many new ones and the fun thing about ces this year is that there are so many different robo vacuum companies now that they all have to differentiate themselves somehow so they're all doing the robot vacuum thing but also doing really weird other stuff nice so i listed some of the most fun ones um there is the switchbot k20 plus pro horrible name which is also an air purifier security camera and iPad holder.

44:20Astro could never. It sounds like DJ Roomba from Parks and Rec. It kind of is. There's the Eufy Clean E20, which allows the suction part to detach and then you can attach a stick vacuum to the suction part so that it's like multi-stage corners. You can do the corners better. Or so I guess like it can do one room, but then you can attach it and pull it up to another room and manually. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's kind of cool. It's kind of cool. It might be one of those things where like something that tries to do multiple things just does both of them worse. But I 100 % believe that. There were multiple robots that have little like side things that come out to clean corners that are better than they used to be.

45:08The dreamy X50 Ultra can go up short stairs. I was just going to say that. I need the one where like the legs pop out and like tiptoe up my stairs. It's kind of, it has these like, these like weird, I don't even know what to call them. They're wheels, but they're like triangular wheels that kind of like, like pull it up the stairs like this. Okay. But it can't be, it can't be big stairs. It has to be like really short steps. Oh, I was going to say, cause I'm in a ranch, but I do have two stairs between my like living room front hallway and the rest of my house. So I need something that can just do two stairs.

45:45They're normal sized stairs. Oh, dang. You could drop a ramp down for the little robot. Yeah. Make it ADA accessible. I would have to make like a 15 foot ramp to go up two stairs. And it's always dirty under the ramp. But the robot always goes up the ramp. Yeah. But I think the weirdest and most fun one is the Robobox Saros Z70, which has a little mechanical arm that pops out of the top and it can pick up things like your socks and underwear from around your house that's what i'm talking about and you can set designated locations for it to just like collect the laundry and put it in certain areas oh my god this is why because you know how we were just talking about this like there's a bunch of humanoid robots and everyone's like yeah it could do your chores it could like vacuum your house guys the vacuum is the robot it has a little arm comes out and like does stuff and like vacuums it that's yeah that's what it is can i stress test this because having a toddler means my living room every single day is just, I don't think you understand how many toys get on the ground from one day of playing.

46:47My night, every night, is putting all the toys back. I could watch, it would have to pick up a hundred different things and I would love to see. How much time do you have? I would, all stress tests. It also has, I mean, the pincher claws are not like, they're not thick. They're very kind of like, they're mostly small toys. Send us the vacuums. Send us the vacuums. I saw a couple videos of this and there were a couple socks that it would like, it was kind of like a claw machine where like some it would get it most of the time but sometimes it would like kind of get it and it would dangle for a second then fall but they're actually releasing this yeah but something in may or june it says it can hold 300 grams that's not that's like barely that's like a less than the amount of like it's like a phone isn't a phone like 300 grams those videos are picking up shoes okay not not high top jordan's when i say videos i mean renders on their website but that's like a perkenstock slower than that it's like an ug boot so it is funny because like previously you had to keep your house really clean for these robots to work um or at least with nothing on the ground and like if it could pick a wire up and just like go underneath it that would main thing that's the number one killer of robot yeah true especially in this studio because we've had plenty and we've tried a bunch the number one killer of like walking the next day and it's just like strangling itself with wires like it's just the wires we give it a pair of scissors it cuts through the wires and then behind it it like cut the red wire together yeah oh my god it solders it back together on the back end um yeah so that was actually coming out in may or june of this year which is hilarious never stopped cesing so yeah i'm i'm i'm here for all the weird robot vacuums there was there was one that could like it had a mop on it but it would pick itself up like a short amount when it did carpet so that the mop didn't touch the carpet and the vacuum part would still vacuum.

48:39Oh, so it was both because you would previously need a mop one and a vacuum one. Yeah. It was one that like, yeah, it would lift itself up after it mopped to do the carpet and it would keep going. So it is very fun seeing all these companies go crazy with this. Man. Okay. Second headline for CES. Yeah. You guys have heard of the LG Stand My V Go. of course which we bought last year because it was a thousand dollars that is the suitcase um tv i guess yeah it's a tv yeah yeah and we we joked about bringing on an airplane and stuff like that well lg has announced the stand by me go 2 um which is even more portable in some senses of the word whereas because a suitcase tv you couldn't actually take it out of the suitcase it had like these mechanisms that kept it in the suitcase but it could be angled yeah this one is a fully just it's just a display but it comes with a strap so you can like carry it around on your shoulder if you want yeah it's different it has a clamshell case that looks just like the ipad clamshell case that like closes on the front to protect it and is also a folio so it like can stand up on its own um and now the remote magnetizes to the top of it as well so yeah Their booth at CES had them basically just like having the strap and just like hanging it on the wall.

50:00It's like, yeah, hang your TV on the wall when you get out. But like hanging on the wall means it's just battery powered. Yes, it's battery powered. And the plug is on the side. So like it won't be as clean hanging on the wall. Yeah. But there is something really funny just thinking about somebody shoulder slinging their Stand By Me Go and like walking around with it. You got the dancing pizza guys outside of pizza places, you know, spinning the signs and stuff. Now you can spin a TV. Just have a guy with a TV. Yeah. It kind of reminds me of like a fast food drive-thru sign. Yes. You can put up like the menu on it, but in your house.

50:35They last four hours. Oh. So it lasts four hours. Pretty good. USB-C charging. It's actually longer than I thought you would say. It's up to 14. And still not anywhere near long enough. Yeah. Yeah, I know. I know. But it's up to 1440p instead of 1080 from last time. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. This is the perfect place to unveil that, CES. That's the perfect place. LG does some weird stuff. Evergreen. I'm going to jump to another LG one real quick. This is a personal favorite from CES, and I know some people might not find this that interesting, but I think it's cool as hell. This is a lamp-slash-speaker-slash-garden-slash-garden-water.

51:13The more slashes at CES, the better. Yes. Interesting. I think it's quite attractive. Go on. It's like an accent lamp. And then that lamp shines down directly on a garden that you can grow things in that is auto watered from a reservoir in the lamp. And also it is a 120 watt 4.1 channel Bluetooth speaker. There also is a like side table version of this. Life's good, baby. Life is good. Wow. Yeah. I like the end table version of this. There's two versions. There's a very tall one and then there's like a shorter end table version. Yeah, I think they're both cool as hell. Before we leave the LG train, I just want to play to you the first five seconds of a reel from The Verge.

51:57They went to CES and they found another LG creation. So I just want to let you guys hear this real quick. What was it? Does it say in the reel? Have you ever wanted to use your microwave as a selfie camera? Nice. LG is there for you. Let me tell you. Are they the ones that put the camera inside of the microwave, too? Because someone put a camera inside the microwave so you can watch her. That's old news, though. What if you want to stand outside the microwave while it cooks your food and do a TikTok dance on the camera? Now you can. LG has made this possible. I'm just, they're thinking of everything.

52:32Life's good, dude. They got out of smartphones, which is a stressful industry, and they just decided to do whatever the heck they wanted. Side quest. Do you think that the plant combo light speaker, when you're blasting the speaker, will your plants be upset by the volume? Depends. That'll be good. What are you blasting? Probably good for them. See, that's what I'm saying. If you're playing like metal music, are you playing like orchestral music? When you're pregnant, you play Mozart to your baby. It's the same thing, right? There's for sure been studies about people who, not people, but if you talk to the plants, they grow better.

53:03No? I believe it. This is a science podcast. I promise there's been A-B testing of like people. And I'm just spewing misinformation now, but I've also read that and I've looked into specifically money trees because I have one. And if you, every once in a while, just shake it because it just sits there, but it shakes it as if it experiences wind and gets stronger. I've heard that for fiddly fig. So that's like, you have to pay attention to the plant a little bit. And I think if you play the right music, that speaker will help it grow better. So do you come home and shake your plant? Maybe. He has his Google task.

53:40Shake money tree. Just a little, yeah. I like it. I like it. Well, LG has unfortunately not announced pricing or availability of these combination freakazoids. I actually want the plant side table. I want both of them, but they're probably going to be really expensive. I want it with rosemary in it, so it just smells like rosemary in my room. I was thinking you could grow mint or something, and then you just always have fresh mint for your tea and stuff. Oh, my God. Also, I just Googled, should you shake your money tree? And the AI told me no. But if it's working for you. But it's like flourishing.

54:14It's like doing so well. Then keep doing that. And I also like talk to it. So it's one of those two things. Something's working. For sure. Yeah. Okay. LG's out there. LG's out there. Okay. Next. Do you guys remember Bird Buddy? Yeah. So we talked about this on the podcast previously. And I believe that they sent us a Bird Buddy to use after we called them out on the podcast. that was a camera that you would put like it's like a smart bird feeder basically and it would take pictures and analyze birds that showed up to your bird feeder and be like oh you've got a mockingjay today and it would be a funny photo of the bird they have uh expanded or i should i say shrunk this is such a good like shark tank story yes um so now they are doing plants and bugs with a new bird buddy feeder, they rebranded or put themselves under an umbrella of Wonder now.

55:07So there's all these Wonder devices. But yeah, now they have these special cameras that you put on your plants and some of them have their own solar panels and you can sort of contort the camera around different things. So there's some that you can basically use as a vine to go around. Like Gorillapod style. Yeah, it's a gorilla pod camera. To be able to point at certain things in a special way. They look really good and they're cute and they kind of go all over your garden. But they also will like recognize different bugs and they'll say, this butterfly is this. And then one of the few actually good uses of a chat bot, it will tell you about all of the bugs and stuff and summarize all of the bugs that came to your garden.

55:49And you can ask them about the bugs that came to your garden, which is very adorable. $300 on this to be like, that's the invasive plank beetle. So enjoy the tree service where you have to cut down eight trees for$1 ,500. It's just like 200 lanternflies. That's what you get in New Jersey. You should be like, you got nothing, you got nothing, you got one spider, you got 150 lanternflies. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. So they also created these new things called wonder blocks, which are these modular systems that you can put around to attract different types of bugs and butterflies and stuff. and they sell things like a plant base a butterfly feeder um it basically looks like a little honeycomb nest but you can grow plants in them it's cool like they really they really took a phenomenon and ran with it which i think they're doing a great job the last line in the verge article is petal and wonder blocks will be available on kickstarter in the spring of this year with no details on price so it's an announcement of a kickstarter kickstarters are weird now though where like these companies that are established already do it and it just feels like a different way of pre-ordering yeah i imagine they're using it to try to find how much demand there is before they start ordering and shipping and all that production stuff but that's your your asterisk because bird buddy is already a company that sure delivers a product but how much how much could they be making beats me yeah so it's pretty good i like my bird buddy kickstarter yeah oh yeah you have the bird buddy though that it is not a priority.

57:35It's not a lot of birds. Fair. They also said that they're going to be selling an optional solar panel that goes on your roof that can power the cameras and stuff. That's pretty cool. Yeah. I do feel like the downfall of a lot of these outdoor things is you need a really good router for your signal to be able to reach into your yard. And mine is not good enough. No, that's a really good point because we wanted to get one for my father-in-law, but their internet and router is terrible. He's a big bird fan. But I literally don't think I could set one up at his house. I got birds, boy. We got birds.

58:05Do we want to do our stuff at the end of the CES stuff, and we'll go through all the other stuff first? Yeah, let's do cars and the two keyboard things after the break. And we'll rip the rest of this up now. Okay. You've heard of Dell.

58:21Dude, you're getting a Dell. Dell seems to have taken a lot of tech YouTubers' advice in a certain direction. there are many companies that create bad naming schemes for their stuff sony actually did the same thing last week they named a pair of headphones like sony ultra max or something and they went like self-aware that's not what they're called but and made they made a self-aware meme about it which is funny um but dell did basically the same thing so you remember the xps brand dell xps has been a tried and true beloved one of the more established brands in the bc space quite like people that are into tech know about this brand yeah it'd be a shame if something happened to it well that did so unfortunately the shame was shamed uh we no longer have inspron xbs or latitude now we have dell dell pro and you guessed it dell pro max well this is not a joke unfortunately when i told marquez that on like monday there's some things that just get marquez to do the perfect just like head down disappointment and that was one that i haven't seen in a while i saw something on blue sky where someone was like now that all the companies are naming things pro and pro max apple should just change it to something else you know what's actually worse about this is they still subdivide each tier yes by premium plus and base yeah so you can get the dell base or the dell plus or the dell premium yeah or the dell pro base the dell pro plus the dell pro premium or the dell pro max base the dell pro max plus yeah or the dell pro max premium yes yeah that's i think like online this is not going to be as big of a deal because the options will be right in front of you and you can see the changes but someone trying to sell this in a best buy store is going to have the worst time here's an interesting counterpoint is was it always clear to the average person who is walking into a best buy and about to buy a laptop which one they should buy xps inspiran or latitude no i feel like looking at this potentially like puts it in order better just makes it more annoying you know it's not worse necessarily it's just it's just cringy it's just cringe it's only because it's pro max if it was like yeah like if it's pro plus it would be like not as bad honestly yeah it's just yeah or if they just said like if they didn't have these sub tiers and they just said it's configurable i think that would be fine i do think that's where you lose like somebody who doesn't know much about laptops wants a very distinct naming of like base middle of the ground best yeah but i think they could have done dell which it's just called the dell well the dell base or the dell plus or the dell premium yeah the dell base yeah give me the what give me the base dell geez okay plus i don't know i don't but you could have walked into a store and you could have said oh i like the way that one looks what are the specs like best buy could carry like three skews of each without naming them something different you know what i mean yeah anyway i'm not like against this i just think it's a little cringe but that's okay yeah you're allowed to be a little cringe you're allowed to be cringed You're allowed to kill your best, most successful brand name you've had in years.

1:01:48Which, to be fair, like XPS was the only... Like, we knew Inspiron, but we also knew them as, like, the really cheap, like, school laptops that were bulky and not that good. Did anyone here have a Dell Latitude? That was an absolute unit. Those things are bricks. I had one from, like, 2005 or something. It was my first laptop ever, and it was insanely thick. Indestructible. Indestructible. I miss Sony VAIO. mm-hmm well they split vio got split off yeah i'm just saying i miss it oh there's no rhyme or reason for it that was my like old my eighth grade home computer yeah big old sony bio yeah it was awesome they were cool okay um i think that's everything except for keys and cars keyboards keys and cars after the break we can do that after the break i think okay keys and cars after the break you heard it here first but that does mean we have one more break to do some trivia.

1:02:47Trivia, dude. All right. Our second question for you today is Bing is clearly trying to do everything in its power to stay relevant and including tricking users, but they have to hold onto that number two search engine spot by US market share. Who holds number three spot in the US market share for search? I'm also going to say this is based on something we had written in the script that we haven't talked about yet so we will talk about that bing tricking people after the break as well we'll get there true see you soon

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1:05:58Sometimes it's 3D. sometimes it's curved displays sometimes it's 2025 and it's just ai in everything and so if you if you ever go to the car section of ces what you will find is a mixture of like regular cars and then future concept uh prototype not real cars that may never ship but more like Like a concept of mobility, like super vague, stuff like that. And those are interesting, I would say, but usually not ever going to come out. Some of the stuff we have here are right in between, I would say. First one, CES car headline. So remember the Afila? Yes. The Sony car? Sony and Honda collaborating on making a car.

1:06:48This was like two CESs ago we first saw this and we've seen it. I think it was way longer than that. Might have been three. No? it was seen it a few times two i think either way i remember seeing a sony car right when 23 i think they showed it off for the first time 2022 is when they announced it because it was like it was a car we're going to do something yeah it was a car in the sony booth and we're all like whoa sony well i guess sony does make screens and sony does make display like motors maybe they can make a whole car so there was a just because i remember physically seeing it there was the vision s01 which was in 2020 concept to be yeah that was concept vehicle it was just like a car that was just sitting there yeah at the ceo show floor and then vision s02 was 2022 and then vision os was 2024 so here we are in 2025 and sony and honda are officially collaborating and announcing a price that you will be able to buy this car maybe what is the price the price is it will start as 89 ,900 so it will not be cheap it's called the afila one origin there also will be a higher end hundred and three thousand dollar signature version of this car people who have been looking at this car i mean it looks like a regular honda i think it's reasonable to say kind of lucity almost yeah i mean it's an ev it's a it's a brand new look obviously sony's got a little injection of design um there's also a subscription associated with the car uh you get the first three years free but that includes a fila intelligent drive level two adas apparently immersive entertainment selection customizable themes and a fila personal agent this is like i said it's right in the middle of ces cars because everything hardware wise about this car looks super reasonable for ces like yes it has some screens and stuff it has you know a sleek minimalistic design but nothing on the inside is like no mirrors or no steering wheel or like that it seems normal this looks like an accord from 2025 it looks yeah like a normal looking car on the outside with some nice screens um but being sony not sure being a new brand not sure it's collaborating with honda but it's 90 grand who who buys a 90 000 honda like there's a bunch of questions still about this thing i have two things to say about this okay one mr stark i'm not a feeler so good Oh my god.

1:09:10Two. For this price, they should really be putting a PS5 in the car. Hey, wait a minute. You might be on to something. That's the difference between the Origin and the Fila Signature. One's a PS5, one's a PS5 Pro. For like another$12 ,000. Those have big screens in the back. I think only the Signature has the big screens, right? Oh, okay. Oh, is it? That checks out, yeah. I believe so. I mean, for$100 ,000. Yeah, Jesus. That's an expensive car. Like a Lucid is like that price, right? You can get a Lucid for that price, yeah. a new one there's something so funny about having the big screens in the back but also under the seat still having like the cigarette lighter power port yeah yeah you can pre-order it right now yeah but only in california oh that's very c yes like only in california wow so if i'm in new jersey c is in vegas actually well i'm just saying i know isn't that funny they're so not sure about shipping this that they're like how about just just california i think we can ship this in california the people that have a lot of money and are willing to buy an ev yeah yeah they said a global launch is coming later but no details on that like i was like there's two options california only global launch yeah not even nationwide launch yeah uh it's a 200 down payment so okay or you know or down payment or yeah yeah pre-order yeah yeah okay ces car story number two do y 'all remember faraday future when i say that name does that ring any bells that's a word i haven't heard in a long time oh yeah 2017 i made a video yeah showing the faraday future ff91 i don't know if you remember this i do they they actually had a separate engineering development car that was near final and then they had a aesthetically finished car so they would they would give me a ride in the engineering car and i remember the guy like floored it and he was like that's better than a model s right and i was like yeah it's pretty quick and then they had the the aesthetically finished car which was mostly kind of a clay model that you can maybe roll on the stage but like point your camera at it looks pretty cool yeah um that was 2017 it's 2025 now wow and they are showing some new prototypes at ces here we go again they've been at ces i'm pretty sure every year since 2017 um the ff91 they still want to ship and they still claim that they're going to produce and it will be three hundred thousand dollars but i found some new cars i found a funny thing in this before we get into the new ones yeah um in one of these articles i found uh a quote that says the announcement of the new brand comes just months after faraday future disclosed to the u.s securities and exchange commission that it only delivered 10 cars by the end of 2023 and i would put an asterisk on an asterisk on those 10 cars too Like 10 sounds like not that much, but to me, someone who's been hearing about Faraday Future, I'm like, 10?

1:11:59They deliver 10? Really? Yeah, so they're coming with some new prototypes that they want to target$20 ,000 to$30 ,000 to$50 ,000 in price, which is very noble. It's what you probably would like to get to at some point. But yeah, this is also, I would say, very Faraday Future in that they have continued to attempt to get funding and to try to sell this idea of a new brand the only startups that have really hooked are rivian lucid tesla right as far as evs i mean that's it as far as here so it's a challenge getting a company like that off the ground but faraday future is still at it see the thing i'm most confused about is i saw all this stuff that they're announcing it at ces i have not seen any coverage of these new vehicles at ces at all like i can find something about fair day future to host exclusive private showcase and experience in las vegas of prototype mules but like i've seen this when i search it nothing's coming up and ces has been going on for like three days we literally i we were both we were all at that yeah in 2017 so i wasn't it was that was the ces where marquez texted me and was like i think i need help let's so that was pretty much as i started so i've been since i have been working at mkbhd that's how long we've been waiting for the ff91 dang when they actually release their car you might get fired you gotta be careful i have a lot of job security i feel like so yeah they're faraday future still doing their thing okay the last headline i've pulled from ces cars that i thought was interesting is another honda one uh honda zero it's a it's another concept but like more futuristic looking honda cars and these have torn people apart purely on aesthetics so i'm gonna i have this link here if you guys click and look at the top image in this and you'll see this suv in the sedan i before you before you answer i suspect that you either think these are sick or you think these are horrible looking jaguar i think they're sick you think they're sick i think they're sick really yeah the one okay so there's two i'll try and describe them one looks like a kind of like that new prius redesign but larger and longer the one on the left yeah yeah and then the right looks kind of like crv mixed with the um hyundai n 75 was that what it was called n74 yeah the like no then because of like the headlights the like very like futuristic but the future is now trying to be like retro future with the like lighting and stuff yeah the first one looks like if a lamborghini was in halo one so it has the face of a lamborghini uh murcielago countach it has the old lamborghini face okay like they i think they copied from the front it's from the front and then it's got this big sloping crazy and it's it's a concept car there's no rear view mirrors no door handles that whole thing but still silhouette goes hard then the right one i think yeah you're right it's like crv plus like pole star because there's no rear visibility so the back of the like uh looks the first one you're talking about has kind of like do you know those like infinity mirrors where it's like uh only like one set of lights but the mirror make it look like it goes forever that's what that i think that's illegal um i think there are lots of things about well yeah there's no door handles yes there are many things about these concept cars that uh will not make it to any sort of production car but this is honda's zero uh concept and it's named after their um they have an in-house os they're developing named after asimo their humanoid robot from the 2000s is that the tiny little guy over asimo asimo i don't know i'm saying it right these are all also only renders right yes like there is not anything as ces about this correct it's just announced as ces stuff cool yeah so you know ces concepts it's all vibes the concept electronic show conceptual electronic show yeah yeah so that's that's the cars of ces that's fun thank you for joining my ted talk thank you now welcome to my ted talk about two keyboards at ces okay i'll go pretty quick about this let's go ducky released a new inductive switch for mechanical keyboards which is kind of cool and i will try and get through it as fast as possible so it's actually cherry who developed a new switch they're calling multiple point switches um we've talked previously about how hall effect switches are the new fad in gaming because of all the different rapid trigger and features you can add to it um ducky 1x is launching with these cherry multi-point switches that they're calling inductive switches.

1:16:51And the cool thing about this is they're far more energy efficient than the magnetic Hall Effect switches. The switches are more energy efficient. Yes, and the reason for that is because you need all these different sensors inside the PCB for Hall Effect switches. And because this is where I'm trying to get it from, I could not fully figure out how these worked, but it's some sort of metal device inside of the switch and then coils on the actual PCBA, which I learned the difference between a PCB and a PCBA is a PCB is an unfinished circuit board. The PCBA is a circuit board with all of its modules attached to it.

1:17:32So that makes me think that this is a, all the switches are attached and there's not much you can do. So I wonder what the modding category on this is for the nerds like me that like to do different things to their switches and keyboards. But anyways, what's really cool about this is we haven't seen any wireless or some but not many wireless hall effect keyboards because of the inefficiencies of each switch they take more power so this this new ducky one x does have bluetooth and 2.4 gigahertz because they're saying it's former energy efficient and it has pretty solid battery life interesting i think this is something that's going to be very popular because ducky is already a popular brand in the gaming category this will be popular for people who want those features play games and want a slightly better keyboard but don't really care about the stupid stuff i do where you're like spending hours of looping switches yeah so does this improve like latency it's not latency it's the benefits of hall effect and what these inductive switches are is there's not one actuation point anywhere in the keystroke it can calculate and you can change per key where those actuation and deactuation points are and there's a lot of cool things in gaming for it's not physical latency but it's more like how fast things react because you can do 0.1 millimeters like the actuation point yeah for each key and stuff like that my god exactly um the other thing i want you guys to click on this i saw this keep seeing this auto retracting keyboard yeah so it's essentially imagine like this big pad that you have in front of you and then there are like a split keyboard i'm out where you're typing but if you want to use your number pad or your trackpad they are underneath the split keyboards and you like if your right hand you type type type you lift your hand up and a camera sees it and it pulls away the keyboard and a trackpad pops up and then you can use the trackpad and then you can lift your hand and then the keyboard swipes back in and you type type type and then on the left you lift your left hand up numpad pops up i like how we just went from the most energy efficient kind of thing that probably needs its own power supply it has like a sound this is good oh okay that was a piece of foam falling off the wall it is cold luckily that's not that part's not on camera so we don't have to fix it right now wow yeah well it wasn't near your body at all so i felt fall in the background of my shot though yeah i just saw mariah's face her eyes light up the lights again i know she looked like what i looked like when the light fell on adam's head so i got very scared for a minute well you're wearing a hat you're okay yeah that's one more thing to know on these keyboards i feel like we are just trying to recreate the like things from wally where you just get like wheeled around and you just don't move at all and you just kind of do this to exist i think there's potentially at best here like some accessibility totally benefits i don't think this is a mainstream thing it's also paralyzed and you can't do this kind of movement yeah like you have very specific hand movement and can't go that far left or right this might be super useful the thing is is like look how large i mean the what i'm assuming power supply for this thing underneath is like a foot and a half tall in front of it yeah yeah so where i put my keyboard on my desk i literally wouldn't be able to fit the rest of it on there yeah we need something to go on that plate in the front nearest to you maybe some kind of like food apparatus so you don't have to move your head or neck as well exactly it needs the little arm from the robot vacuum to just feed me doritos there's a tiny microwave in there they're cooking they're making something they're cooking um wow i think that wraps up ces for us mostly yeah i think that does there is one thing we did not mention before but since the trivia question is based on it i want to go over it mark it's about bing wait can we play this uh before we do the bing segment hi i hope you're having a bing-tastic day what can i help you with Oh, f**k.

1:21:37I've never been here before. Well, that's just the thing you can find. All things with Bing. We are more than a search engine. We are an engine that searches. Google.

1:21:55Yeah, Google is the leading search engine in the world, and it was founded in... Hey, you know what I mean. Take me to Google. give me a bow to here man take me to google now right through that door

1:22:13yeah can you do me a favor marquez can you go to bing.com right now yes i can do they not get rid of this yet it worked for me yesterday can you type in google and tell me what it does and not hit enter it's not doing it it doesn't do it anymore we'll try it try it on his enter no they changed it this worked yesterday all right what did it do before this is what it looked like when you would do it before no way and funnier okay so for audio listeners um essentially when you would type in google and hit enter this like it wouldn't say google but what do they call google doodles yeah so there would be this google doodle-esque picture of a bunch of different people and then a search bar underneath it and then under it a bunch of the search results for The best part about this is if you were in this, if you scrolled up, it revealed where the Bing search bar was.

1:23:06So it wasn't just making this page. It was auto-scrolling down. So you didn't see the Bing bar above to tell that you were still on Bing. Oh, my God. It was so funny. Imagine working for Bing and being like, I got it. I got it. This is what's going to happen. People are going to come to Bing. They're going to type in Google. And then we got them. I'm so mad it doesn't work for you. People into using this. Do it. Oh, my God. Wow. oh my gosh they really changed it that's so funny well like one of the someone who worked for google that works on google search tweeted like imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and then just wrote new new year new lobe at microsoft it says imitation is the sincerest form of flattery but microsoft spoofing the google home page is another tactic and it's long history of tricks to confuse users and limit choice new year new low microsoft new year new low was this for like a special occasion or they just felt like felt like doing it?

1:23:59I mean, it went on for like a week. I have a feeling it was just Yeah, so I saw this as a Reddit post on r slash Google like a week and a half ago and then it got picked up by news organizations like a couple days ago. So, yeah. I think they really thought that the AI-ification of Bing was going to be their moment and it just wasn't. Yeah, they did have a moment there, but now they thought. Yeah, they thought. That's brutal. Well, CES by the way so we're recording this on Wednesday CES will continue to happen for the next few days so there's probably going to be even more crazy stuff that we don't even know about between now and when you see this on Friday so send it to us if you think we should check it out next week but either way that's it we do want to say one thing there's some crazy fires going around in Los Angeles so if you're a listener from over there please be safe we wish you the best sending out good vibes to all of you and yes stay safe out there but I think it's time for trivia.

1:25:01Thank you. Sorry. Was that too soon? No, I almost was like - I was waiting for the pause. I didn't want to be - It's always you who throws it so it felt wrong for me to do it so I was going to let you throw. As long as you do the pause, it's great. All right. Okay. Hit it, Mariah.

1:25:18All right. Would we like to know the current standings or - Yes. No. No. So the current standing for season five that we just started is Marquez has two points, Andrew has zero points, and David has four points. That's wild. Andrew, you know you can carry that one. But yet I've still never won a trivia extravaganza. There's still time. There's still time. Okay. Quick refresh. Our question number one for you today is about CES. So in CES 2025, we've already seen some crazy cool stuff. And I want to know which of these is not a real product from this year's CES. So we have option A is the Razer heated and cooled gaming chair.

1:26:02Option B is a 3D printer that makes cake batter and then cooks it with a laser. Option C is the Samsung stretchable display that just kind of bulges a little bit. Don't know why. And option D is that fun little critter that hangs on your bag. I need to see a photo. And then E is all of the above. Okay. So which is not real.

1:26:31It's getting cold in here. It's so cold. It's very cold in here. I can't tell my fingers. For those of you who don't know, we turn the AC slash heat off every time we do the pod because it makes noise right onto our microphones. And so whatever the temperature is outside, the temperature in here as we record slowly goes towards whatever the temperature is outside. The room is 50 % windows. And it's like 23 degrees. During the summer, it heats up. During the winter, it gets cold. For the Europeans out there, that's like negative 5C. It's chilly. All right, gamers, what do we got? All right, David said option B.

1:27:02I said B. What did you say, Andrew? I said all real. All real. And I said option A, the razor. I know Marquez is wrong because I saw that. Dang it. I thought I would have seen it. The furry creature is also real. I saw that too. Andrew is correct. All of these are real. I thought they would probably all be real, but like, I thought they would have. Here, y 'all gotta see this crazy little guy. I need to see the creature. Can you put it in our sloth? Dude, it's weird. Take a little look at him. I've seen it. I knew it was real. It just kind of hangs there and then just kind of like turns its head and stares at you.

1:27:32Same. He's a silly little guy. It's a white one? It's like a pink sloth that just kind of like turns its head around. It's a little cuter than like a Furby, I would say. That's low bar. Question two. Okay. Okay. So Andrew got one point. I'll give you that one. All right. So question two today is Bing is obviously trying to trick people into using its search engine. No surprise. So they are the number two search engine by U.S. market share. Who is the number three spot holding the market share for search in the U.S.? I have three guesses. I feel like.

1:28:12There's only so many companies.

1:28:24man you guys are really thinking about i have two options that i ruled out but i that you ruled out yeah well yeah kind of a guess though okay wait before you say it yeah can i say what my three guesses are yeah not that which one i put down yeah okay DuckDuckGo Yahoo AskJeeves I feel like we've talked about AskJeeves It's just Ask.com Oh it's just Ask.com Is it just Ask.com now? Although I'm going to show you my board I put Yahoo and I ruled out MSN and ChatGPT Because I think people might be using ChatGPT that much For link aggregation Well they do have the ChatGPT They do have the search engine.

1:29:08But it's still kind of in like private. It's not like. I also put Yahoo. I put DuckDuckGo. Well, David is incorrect, unfortunately for him. But the both of you are correct. Let's go. Wow. Let's go. I was between Yahoo and DuckDuckGo. Probably my dad. I would guess. I would guess. People, I mean, Yahoo is a big like news aggregator website. And so people who just go to Yahoo.com, that's just where they. That was my guess. I think DuckDuckGo is like the non-tracking version, right? Yeah, it's privacy focused. privacy focused but I was I think they got in trouble for that for tracking or something dang yeah nothing is good anymore I'm happy I got a point well David's still in the lead by one point let's go Andrew you have a chance now you got a whole year that's changed the the dynamic of that completely it was it's 2-3-4 now 2-3-4 now yeah do you like my duck oh duck is like the only enhance I don't really know how to draw Adam zoom into that look at this little guy well done it's out of focus now oh yeah well hey that that is that's our show for this week lots more ces stuff coming so like i said send it to us tag at waveform we'll find it and uh of course uh thanks for watching and listening as always and we'll catch you guys next week peace big year bye waveform was produced by adam alina ellis rovin and moriah zinc we are partnered with vox media podcast network and our intro outro music was created by veins so bingo

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