CES 2026 Actually Has Some Bangers?

30:50So I think it wants to be the context for the AI chatbot in there of that it can then use the context of your life. But when I first see that, I think to myself like, whoa, I can see all these memories, which I can, but they're just going to be in very low quality. Have you tried the OS on the website? It says like sign up with your Google account and then I didn't really know what to do with it because I don't have anything to do. There's one other Twitter response kind of where apparently in November they had had a like really, really small event where you could like a demo event, yeah. And so somebody had responded to an old tweet of someone saying they were there and the person who was there named Will said the demo didn't work and the displays were not in the units.

31:36daniel park the ceo says i'm sorry it didn't work for you it did work for about 90 of the participants and then the guy responds uh 90 is definitely a stretch for the demo day feedback i went with a group of four people out of 30 participants one of my friends arrived early the other three of us arrived later the demo route had like 15 people and i didn't meet a single person who could share an experience trying it out and then he says not a huge issue you guys are moving fast super excited so what but i don't it just feels weird that he's like oh it was a network issue why it wasn't working early on but like everyone else got it to work and he's like but i was the one later and it just didn't have displays in it and didn't work yeah those early demos are cooked same thing with rabbit right this is like those old days of rabbit demos yeah yeah that just did not work because they're like we're doing it live it looks like the what so you can try the website which i guess is just trying it without actually using anything but there's no memories you have to You connect your Gmail, your Google Calendar, your Slack, your Notion, your ChatGPT, your Claude, your Granola, your Fireflies, your Fathom, your TLB.

32:36It has a bunch of third-party connections you can do to be part of the context of your life. Yeah. At least they figured that out early. Maybe. You know what I mean? Or it's all on the website. That's the sad part about all of this is I kind of like the idea of thinking about what could the post-smartphone personal computer be. and all of these early examples we're seeing are all pretty bad. Yeah. Like if you go all the way back to the humane pin, which is trying to be a post-smartphone personal computer with AI context awareness, blah, blah, blah, or even the Rabbit or even the whatever other stuff I have on my desk that I bought that I haven't tried yet, which is like a personal assistant that you wear around your neck, like a necklace or glasses.

33:16You gotta try the friend, man. I need you to try the friend. Like the most impressive tech demos I've seen have been from the meta ones because of the literal field of view and image overlaid over the real world. Like that was pretty cool. But still like I don't want to wear those every day. It's kind of heavy. It only has a three hour battery life. So at this point, it's still only just been interesting slices of like how that world could look. Just, oh, what if it was glasses? Oh, what if it was a pin? Oh, what if it was a necklace? Oh, what if it had really cool displays? And I think we're going to see a Google thing, maybe like smart glasses this year.

33:47Like we're going to start to slowly see bigger companies try more and more complete products. And I still have a little bit of cynicism from the old stuff, but I'm trying to be optimistic. I'm trying to give it a chance, give it a fair shot. So when the complete product does come along, I'll be right. What if it was your phone? Well, that's where I'm at. The supercomputer and like all those examples was still just your phone. I ended the humane video with like the smartphone is so good. It's OP. It fits in my pocket. It's kind of like if we didn't have smartphones, we would be trying to invent something that we could just like slide in our pocket.

34:21and we take out this little box that has cameras and supercomputers and an internet connection and an awareness of everything you do and who you talk to. And then you crumpled it back up and put it in your pocket. Yeah. It's so cool. I just think that people do not want to have to use and wear additional stuff that they wouldn't already be using in their daily life. Yeah, the wearing is hard. The reason the metaglasses make a lot of sense is because you're just buying Ray-Bans and then you use them and then they have additional properties. You charge them sometimes. Yeah, you charge them sometimes.

34:50And people use, they use sunglasses. If you're, you get the ones that have prescriptions, they're just smart, regular glasses. Like that makes the most sense. The pins and stuff make less sense because people don't want to keep sticking an additional product on themselves every day. I feel like I would almost argue the opposite that a pin as a non glasses wear, I don't want to wear fake glasses during the day. That becomes the question is like, if you don't have glasses, like how does it work? Which I think a lot of people don't have glasses. We're all not f***ing nerds. So I think a bit... Right out the womb 2020.

35:25Look at me. I mean, I do, but, you know. So, I don't know. These are very high fashion. And in a way, I'm like, it would be better for them if they were more mass market, but then they wouldn't stand out as much because there are a lot of smart glasses that are just black box glasses. No, these look sick, bro. Picture walking down the street wearing these sipping a Sobe water. that's what i mean yes honestly yes with your rollerblades yeah these things like dope in new york city this would this would work this would bank for all the all the videos are of the like aluminum like silver version there is there is a black version which looks a little less uh less hype standout ish i have a question speaking of the videos yeah yeah if this had more realistic videos and pictures showing what you can expect do you think people would have reacted as badly because i think a lot of the marketing departments of these startups are trying to like do apple like keynotes and demos where if they were just like honest with like this cool new technology we're working on i think people would still be excited about it so i would say it depends on what you mean by more realistic so i do agree like the over present like the super almost pretentious vibe of a lot of these is really a put off for a lot of people so even if you do kind of like the product you don't want to buy into it because it seems so silly but a more realistic demo of a theoretically perfect version of a future version of your product is kind of this already like kind of the same as i don't know trying to what's a realistic version i was thinking of this is like he's he went on and tweeted a bunch about how they're this like really small team that's actually just working in like his garage which is okay yeah every single sf company ever did that but like if this was just some videos of literally just like the team and a bunch of toolboxes in a garage the demo thing thing was like in the garage so like if that's what it was instead of this like super produced they had like dolly cameras and everything and they're making it like really intense like an all-black suit and he was just like hey this is something we're working on we're calling it pickle if you want to be an early it it's it felt more kickstarter than yeah i think it's because inherently these videos have to sell a whole bunch of people on being an early adopter and getting in and helping to make the product actually be good.

37:40Yeah. And so, yeah, this is the, this is what makes us, because a product can't be good without people being sold on the vision. It's almost like, I'm going to get so much crap for this. It's like Bitcoin. Like Bitcoin is, is useless. It's useless. But if enough people believe, then that actually makes it potentially useful. And then a bunch of people will go, oh, I'll accept Bitcoin. That's just all money, baby. Like if I'm a vendor who doesn't accept Bitcoin, I will not accept Bitcoin until enough people believe in Bitcoin and want to pay me with Bitcoin that it makes no sense for me not to accept Bitcoin.

38:12So there needs to be some movement of people excited about the thing that's useless. I mean, it's kind of the reason that everyone was getting mad at you for saying, this product does not exist and you're hyping all this stuff. And then everyone came out of San Francisco saying, well, the product doesn't start good. It will get good, but people have to believe in it. And it's like, okay. It's like Santa. it's just that we exist in a different what do you mean era like what do you mean wait what does that mean santa santa's real you have to believe oh okay we just exist in a different era now where because all software is ever evolving and you don't buy finished versions of anything ever people's expectations even when they're building stuff now is like oh we're gonna ship a 1.0 we're gonna improve it over time yeah and then because of that they need to get people to buy it but like they can't yeah this is an ad is the bottom line it's like there's a reason that every single launch on twitter is like is like a little trailer movie trailer now because that's the way that marketing has changed is they have to like make it seem really really high quality and done so that people actually buy it so that they can make the product it's crazy that we have to be like our launch has to make it look like this is real yeah that sucks sell you on the a few years later version that's actually good, which is only possible if you believe us.

39:39And you all get in now. And they already got money. I don't know how much their funding was, but it's like, picture, you already got the funding. Why do you need to secure? Why do you need the data? Because those investors need the money back. Yeah. Oh my God. I mean, they are working with Qualcomm officially. Sasha Segan that is on the Snapdragon team tweeted that. They are working with them. So they do have the money. and Qualcomm will not work with you unless you got money. Yeah. So they clearly got funding. Oh. So. Remember, this is going to sound crazy because normally I'm the one who's like, sound of the alarm, this product's not real, it's not coming out.

40:19But I was thinking about when we went to California to try the Orion glasses. Do you remember? And I remember that was a product demonstration that really felt like ground floor. You were wearing these kind of awkward wires and it was kind of like bloomy and the resolution was bad. And they sat us down with these engineers who were so open about all the problems they had to overcome to make that thing work. And then we got to try it and it did work. And it really felt like this experience of like, wow, this is a really hard space to build in. This is something that's going to require a considerable amount of effort, knowledge and money and it's really cool to get to see the ground floor and then two really a preview well then two weeks later we tried the snap spec the snap spectacles the snap spectacles and they were way better in every single way and i remember talking to the person that not every some ways what ways were they not better they're way heavier and the field of view is so much like it was like super low resolution bad field i remember the resolution no i think the snap one had better resolution and the colors were better and even though they were definitely bulkier, I didn't find them bulky.

41:33The field of view is so bad. I want to bring them in. But was it that much worse than the Orion? It was like everything was getting cut off. I couldn't play a game of something in front of me because my peripherals were completely cut off. I tried to play a golf game. I remember coming away from that and talking to the Snap representative and being like, you know, we just talked to the Meta Boys and they said that they had to overcome all of these really difficult problems and it doesn't seem like you guys are having those same problems. You've just showed us this really great product. And he was essentially like, yeah, skill issue.

42:06Well, remember when the Snapchat guy came, he specifically said, the reason that is hard for Meta is because they care about field of view. We think that field of view is not gonna matter. I do remember that. And that's why we went with high resolution in a smaller field of view. And we believe that they're like chasing the wrong problem. Whereas Meta fully believes that field of view is the most important thing, which I would I kind of am in Meta's court. I did feel right. I just remember leaving that that never was to say that. You know, me neither. I hate myself. Sorry. Yeah, go ahead. Person, you know, I just remember coming away from that whole experience, you know, being like, I have no idea how this stuff actually works.

42:47And I don't know what is difficult and what is easy. So when I saw the pickle thing, I was like, I'll wait and see yeah I will say to Meta's credit like we see all these really polished pretty ads on Twitter and we're like oh this doesn't seem very realistic but if you remember when Zuck went on stage with the Orion prototype he was like this is a thing we're working on it's not a finished product but like this is how far we've gotten so far and we have a long way to go and we're not selling it yet that's about what I would hope to see from like an honest like presentation of the thing that's not going to be sold well yeah that's when he was like we're not selling this yet it's at least a year out and then they did a live demo with the uh ray-ban displays that famously went horribly wrong really poorly so you know to meta's credit it hurts to say but you know they gave a very fair expectation of what the actual product was when it was shipping how much it was going to cost and what it can do and you know to be fair they can do that because they don't need funding they have unlimited money yeah whereas all these other companies need a lot of funding so they have to lie to you basically and i don't i don't believe that these things are not going to come out i think they're going to come out i just think that they're kind of going to be like the humane ai pin where the actual experience is horrible until like some theoretical down the road future version could maybe be better which probably won't happen because not a lot of people are going to buy in if the initial product is bad yeah i guess this lands on that place that we always land on with this stuff which is don't buy a product based on the promise of future updates if the product is good enough at launch, that should be the thing you're comfortable buying.

44:23The hardest part for you and for me is to figure out how good the product actually is in the face of all the ads that we're seeing that seem to paint it as this amazing thing. That's why reviewers exist. That's why we're gonna show you how good the product actually is. Don't buy the product based on the promise of the future. Yeah, there's a bit of a paradox because the second gen is always like way better than the first gen and is usually cheaper. but in order to get to a second gen it requires people to buy the first some adoption yeah which is usually based on the early adopter tax except there's just so many products coming out that are bad now that not even early adopters want to spend their money on this thing i mean you know what this kind of reminds me of complete tangent but walt disney when he was launching the theme park hyped up the building of the theme park on abc for like two years with a bunch of episodes and then the day that it opened there was a bunch of problems with the park but people that went still really enjoyed it and it like exploded in popularity yeah and that's kind of what we need more of in tech like things like that like show me the process of building it so i could get excited about it that way when the product comes out even if it's not like the best thing ever i understand where we are i understand like i'm an educated this is what i'm saying like everyone on twitter is doing is doing your expectation should be up here and then reality is going to be way down here i would love if someone went on Twitter and they were just like, this is what we have.

45:46It's, you know. But like... When they were building Disneyland, that was when you could actually watch someone. No one's going to have fun watching a 12-part YouTube series where it's like, co-pilot, make AR glasses now! I would love that. I think the hardest part is making a product that you can sell that is already good enough that people at least like it. Like getting to the point of like working on Disneyland for two years to the point where it's not done yet, but it's still enjoyable to people. That is very meaningful that it was actually still enjoyable to people. Getting the product that you launched to actually be good enough to be enjoyable will get people to stick around for the ride for it to get better.

46:27It makes me think about Pebble because number one, when they relaunched all the Pebbles, it was just the same Pebble from like 15 years ago with, you know, and it's slightly better in different ways. And then when they launched the ring a couple of weeks ago, you could buy it. Then it was$75. It's shipping like soon. So like it was already completed product. You know what you're getting. Eric went on and said, this is exactly what it does. He wasn't making any promises for what it could do in the future. I feel like I would love if more companies launch products like that. Yeah. Yeah. Lower expectations.

46:59It's 2026. We could see some of that. Come on, baby. There's also a rumor that they paid$1.2 million for pickle.com. Worth it. Just like not worth it. Just like friend. This is why that's my biggest red flag is stop spending so much money on a website They're explain why it's called pickle. No one knows why it's called pickle right the logo is like kind of like a pickle on the glasses The glasses are in the shape of a pickle Sort of I would argue the glasses aren't even because they don't have the bottom frame the logo does look like a pickle and AR goggles, but I don't think it really looks that much like the glasses I don't know Soul computer is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

47:41Also, Mr. Park, you need to change your Twitter bio, my guy. You can't be the CEO of a company that's in controversy and have your Twitter bio say, I'm in a pickle. True. But it's fun. It's kind of so funny. It's a pun. Puns are funny. I love it. Somebody out there likes that pun. But you know who will be in a pickle in about 30 seconds? Uh-oh. you guys try to figure out the answer to this week's trivia I hope it's about pickles first trivia question of the new year bread and butter pickles I'm gonna get points this year I swear well this first question is a very Marquez question because it's about phones of the 2010s yes I wouldn't be too excited if I were you dang it so RIP Zenfone I wanted to do an Asus question because there were so many Zen phones I loved so much.

48:37But in the process of learning all about all the many phones and phablets Asus made over the years, I found two phones, two phone things, mobile devices with hilarious names. At 2013, you could go to Asus and make the choice between buying the Asus PhonePad, F-O-N-E-P-A-D, or the Asus PadPhone, P-A-D -F-O-N-E. Yes. Two separate devices, not in the same product line. That makes so much sense. One of them is a four-inch phone that plugs into a dock that connects to a 10-inch tablet with keyboard. Clearly. The other one was a phablet that you could get in six, seven, or eight-inch sizes because it was 23.

49:32He was making it a six, seven. Okay. Yeah. So between the Asus phone pad and the Asus pad phone, which one was the phablet? A.K.A. which one did not have the dock accessory? That's what I'm asking. I think I know. Did not have the dock. Was the phablet no dock? I think I remember as well. Was it phone pad or pad phone? I don't remember. I'm just trying to use common sense. There's no common sense. Probably not. I'm just going to write both of them with arrows like this. It makes perfect. Phone pad is the phone pad. Pad phone is the pad phone. Duh. Duh. Okay, yeah. Yeah, all right. Well, answers will be at the end like usual.

50:11We'll be right back.

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53:44Yeah I was not I was a Bionicle kid I had Bionicles I also K 'Nex Oh that's fair But I had Legos first so I think I want Legos good Lego is in this weird space where they are sort of technology and they're sort of the opposite of technology. Like they are blocks, but then they have evolved in all these ways where they added motors and gears and people make working things. Like yesterday I saw in the analog photography subreddit that someone made a film development tank with Legos. It was crazy. Like automated, like anyway. They decided to have a big CES event, which everyone was like, what is Lego gonna headline at CES?

54:21It was like a huge thing. They announced - An AI pin. an ai pin somehow that wouldn't shock me yeah so lego announced their first smart brick yeah which is kind of crazy when you read like the definition of what these things do notably it is not the entire set of legos that you buy are not made of smart bricks it is like one or two per set but they use bluetooth and nfc and smart tags and they have microphones and they have like basically every sensor there it's a whole computer in a brick in a like two by four regular looking lego yeah brick yeah yeah yeah two by four like centimeters yeah no no well you know what i mean by two by four i'm not like no no no we're talking lego here yeah i know when i say two by four lego right yeah two by four dots i know just yeah oh dots yeah okay it's just usually when people say two by four they mean that's what i thought a large no but we're talking about lego here you You guys need to be in the conversation.

55:18I know, I know, I know. Everyone knows the unit of measurement. The contact. So there are these smart Legos now that they're making that basically can talk to each other. And because of this, they're able to make sounds. They're able to, like, you can speak to it. They have speakers, all these things. Well, yeah, they light up, they make noise, and they respond to all different things because of the, like, light and inertia sensors and the smart tags they have with separate, like, minifigures or other parts of the things. there's examples of like almost all of the examples are in star wars right now because that's the set coming out in march but one is like when you go to fuel up the tie fighter the like certain it sees the certain color and knows it's like next to the fuel tank and it starts making the like fuel noises or when uh emperor palpatine sits in his throne it plays imperial march yeah um or when two figures that have like lightsabers are next to each other it'll start the lightsaber noises or light up for different things so yeah there's all this really crazy stuff and like they make a bluetooth mesh network between them yeah to understand where other lego pieces and these nfc tags in the lego sets are in reference to each other yeah um and they wirelessly charge on the like platform that you put them on one of the coolest examples i saw so they did the uh the announcement and i was like this is the coolest thing at ces and then recently it must have been last night sean hollister from the verge went and did like a my first experience with all of them and he has this really cool example i'm just going to read the quote but we'll put the whole article in the the show notes so he said lego interaction designer maria salgado showed us a little police car set uh that could react to not only the presence of a cop and a robber smart minifigs but where they're located compared to the smart brick if a robber approaches the car it'll sound the alarm if a cop approaches the car it will unlock it with a beep if you drop the cop in the back seat behind the smart brick it'll start snoozing because he's obviously not on the job if you drop the robber into the front seat the cop will wake up and start shouting um and that's like an example of how many different things it can do um based on where things are in relation to like this singular smart yeah now somebody please check me on the nostalgia of this i think this is unequivocably i think this is unequivocably this shit unequivocally slaps i think this slaps i think this is the best story of ces i think and and also you know it's funny this is like i was saying to you this is like the litmus test of people who didn't read the article people like see the headline of this and they go oh smart lego brick boo like we keep it like keep it just pure like legos keep it hurting my feet when i step on them yeah which these totally still will now it'll just now it'll go like gotcha but like this is this is awesome and this is also like among all the ai and like over promising and random crap that we see at ces like this is just a real thing that is just great it's just great specifically said there's no ai in this product at all it just reacts specifically i guess there was some controversy over a previous mario set that used like barcodes or something to use very specifically and they're like this is not anything like that this is uh way more open i guess and the way it works with different sets i'm interested to see how these might work outside of sets later down the line right and when people are building their own things and how they could potentially change it this is my one concern was does this kind of set in motion a whole thing for you need to build the sets that they ask you to build and there's no there's not going to be any sort of like open source stuff where you can like make it do whatever you want it to do.

58:59It's a weird thing where like... Are you a person who builds sets and keeps them like that? or are you a person like me who built a set and then just had a giant tub that those sets disintegrated into and built whatever I want later? Which is what you're supposed to do with Legos. Yeah, or originally anyway. Whatever you want to do with Legos, you're spending a lot of money on it. You do you, but it would be cool if these could somehow, but is my two by four brick from the TIE Fighter only going to make TIE Fighter noises? Right, that's my question as well. Or is the one only going to play Imperial March?

59:31Right. Or is it like dynamic? yeah how it works how the lights how would you update them I think they're going to be just one one function I would imagine I would assume they're a couple functions based solely on this set and then how creative people will be is how do I use the noises and lights from that set to build something else that I want but if it's like TIE fighter noises and you're using a Lord of the Rings set a couple other small things I saw here there is a microphone in it but it's purely to be one of the other sensors because things can react to noise they claim they're not recording anything take lego at their there was one where if you blow on a fire it would turn the fire out it was like if it was a cake if you made a birthday cake with it it would blow you could blow the candles out possibly but yeah first sets are shipping in march they're like 70 100 and 160 bucks and they're all pretty small so you're gonna get lego taxed even harder on this i'm sure but they're pretty awesome.

1:00:32There's also a rumor there's an upcoming LEGO Pokemon set that might be used. Oh, it's not even a rumor. It's coming out this year. Oh, really? It's confirmed. With the smart brick? Yes. Like Charmander's tail gonna light up? That'd be sick. I guess a 2x4 brick wouldn't do that well. But yeah. So that was the coolest thing out of CES and now we can talk about a bunch of other kind of cool things. There's a lot of other cool stuff. Yeah, we'll go through it. You have a... I have a few things. Yeah. I have one thing that's boring but I think it's cool. Okay. We'll be the focus on here. Pitch us on why it's cool.

1:01:02All right. So you know how Google Photos... Yes. Yeah? I know about... Yeah. Like how Google... You know? I know why and how. Yeah. So... I know that. I know that. Google Photos has long been one of Google's best products. They came out with the semantic search features a long time ago. It automatically tags different objects, object recognition, that kind of stuff. Notably, when you have a NAS, which is a network attached storage array, it's kind of just dumb. Like it's just kind of a file structure system that you, you know, look stuff up. You have to like know exactly where everything is and all of this stuff.

1:01:39It is the new year. I am really messy. My desktop and my storage on my computer is horrible. Notably, all of my film scans that I've ever made are on a one terabyte flash drive. And when that breaks, my life will be over. So at the beginning of the year, I decided I need to get my together. So I started looking into storage solutions. And wouldn't you have it? At CES, Ugreen announced this AI NAS. And I know everything is called AI now. But the early versions of AI, the machine learning, semantic understanding versions of AI that are actually useful, they are shoving into this thing. so it's a network attached storage array but it has basically like semantic search so you can like describe what you want and it'll automatically index all of your images so that you can like find what you need it basically creates it's like it's own personal Google Photos which is nice because Google Photos does not have original quality upload unless you pay a ton of money so that's pretty awesome remember when you got that for free with a pixel?

1:02:44and then they took it away And then it took it away. Average Farm Remembers. It can do automatic album creation and categorization. It can do summaries of audio clips and files. It has a model, which you can ask about your files. I'm not really sure why you'd need to do that. And it does automatic file organization. So I don't know. I know that this is sort of just like a newer, better version of something we've had for a very long time. And it is very boring. But as someone who has not gotten into the, like, I need to get my storage solution stuff together game yet, Now that they have semantic search within this, that's actually very useful for me.

1:03:21So I'm considering. This is awesome. Yeah, it looks really nice. I'm sure it's going to cost so much money. It's$1 ,000 for the smallest one, which is a lot. How much storage is the smallest one? It doesn't have any. It's a NASP thing, so you have to buy the drives. It's a bay. You buy the drives. Oh, okay, you have to buy the drives. Yeah, so it's$1 ,000 for the smallest one without the drives, which is kind of annoying. It's pretty expensive. You Green is a company that I thought only made HDMI adapters. And then I've been seeing so much you Green NAS stuff on TikTok. I don't know if they're doing a lot of like paid partner marketing or stuff like that.

1:03:56They probably are. But I've never seen influencers be like NAS Bay. Oh, I have. Oh. But it's all it's been all Synology stuff. Yeah. Like Synology flooded YouTube with like with NAS array videos. The Ugreen NASPays look really cool. Like they would look clean in a house. Yes. Yes. I'm pro. I think I might get one. I'm very interested. Before this, the only Ugreen product I had literally ever purchased was HDMI adapters, like USB-C. So I'm like, am I going to trust my entire thing? Yeah. They kind of came out of nowhere, but then they've been like kind of killing it. They're kind of, I see them as like another version of like Anchor.

1:04:36Yeah. They have just started. Yeah. Yeah, they've started making a lot of stuff and they're all very high quality. So if there's like a pre-order, this has been my predicament, there's like a pre-order thing where you save like 700 bucks if you pre-order it and I'm like... That's how they get you. That's how they get you. You save money on the pickle pre-order too. Yeah. Anyway, I would like to try that, but we'll see, we'll see. There's a new product, there's a new e-paper display coming out. So notably, we got really excited about this. i still love mine yeah i mean so it was uh what's the company called it was uh aura aura made these uh frames e-paper frames that we got very excited about because they were their color e-paper frames they were saying that they were like the first ones which i think they wanted to say very intentionally because literally immediately after they said that like a ton of other brands came out with e-paper color display linking us to some other ones so i'm sure it wasn't like we're the first ones it was probably like we're the first ones with xyz yeah probably asterisk asterisk i got advertised a bunch of them on instagram too so they're clearly like coming but there's this one the ink poster 41 inch e-paper display that got shown off at ces very big that's seems like it's just kind of a tv at that point like 41 inches is pretty huge yeah um but it is kind of ridiculously overkill and fancy it has like an aluminum frame and then it uses alcantara for with a mat.

1:06:05Whoa. So, um, the editor and gadget who saw one of the smaller models last year said that it was a lot denser and like higher resolution than the ones that like we have, for example, because like the aura frames that we have, like they look good, but they don't look exactly like, you know, and one to one with a printed photo. They're like half tone because it has like limited color palette. These apparently are very, very, very high quality, but they're also like$6 ,000 for the 41. inch one um what i'm excited about is that this technology like the e-paper technology the e-ink technology is clearly finally starting to like get pushed into the public eye and that means that this same thing is probably going to be half the price next year so you know give it two or three years and this 41 inch e-ink display will probably be like 500 all six of them hey and they will all be in my house a paper wall yes that'd be incredible nice yes um okay next thing corsair put a stream deck in a keyboard i'll take three notably they did acquire elgato in 2018 so it's kind of like eight years too late yeah i mean it's crazy that they waited this long in order to do this and i don't know if you guys remember the original razor blade that came out in like 2012.

1:07:29Yeah. Yeah. With that, you could literally customize your keys, which had little screens under them. Yeah. You can make them whatever you want. That's exactly what this is. Yeah. So I guess they were just too early and nobody wanted to pay for them at that point in time. Well, that was in a laptop also. Right. Whereas if it's in a dedicated keyboard, it's more likely that you're going to have a whole streaming setup. Probably. You're probably not going to be streaming with your laptop. So it calls it the Galleon 100 SD keyboard. It has 12 customizable buttons, a 5 inch 720 by 1280 IPS LCD screen and two notably rotary dials for LS over there nice how do you feel about the rotary dials alright it is$350 so it's pretty expensive but I think if you that's honestly not that crazy like a regular gaming keyboard could very easily go for$150 to$200 and how much is a stream deck it's not that far off from them being bought yeah so it's like if you're going to set up a streaming setup and you just don't want to have to buy a separate stream deck it's right there and if you like corsair keyboards which they're just like pretty typical gaming keyboards yeah yeah speaking of uh gaming companies razor always does something insane at ces usually they don't come out weirdly enough you can like get on the order list let me Explain what it is.

1:08:52And yeah, I was similarly confused. So they're doing this AI desk companion. So it's called Project Ava, which was something that was out last year, which was an AI that basically backseat gamed you. So it could tell you all the stuff you're doing wrong when you play games. You guys have never heard of the term backseat gamer? It's like when you're playing. Backseat driver. Yeah, it's similar. But in a lot of games where like Valorant or Counter-Strike where someone dies, they're then watching your team but still on voice chat and you're like telling someone everything to do, that's like a backseat camera.

1:09:25So this was an eSports AI, whatever that could. But now you can get this little - Pod. Pod, yes. Cylinder tube kind of thing. It looks like the things when you go to the bank and it sucks up from the drive-thru that can sit on your desk, obviously has RGB and kind of has this almost holographic looking avatar. It's on the website. They say it's a 3D hologram. 3D hologram. It's just a volumetric display. Well, duh, it is. It's not a volumetric display. What is it? Okay, well, you'll all know why we're so adamant about that later. Oh, my God. And it's powered by Grok. Is it really? I'm on their website right now.

1:10:06Project AVA currently utilizes XAI's Grok engine to demonstrate its system. So they needed that because it notably gets kind of spicy. Does it? Yeah, I did not see this. It'll do an epic vulgar roast. It's like, okay, so this volumetric display shows a couple of different companions. There's like an anime girl and an anime guy. Of course. The anime girl in like the video is like just wearing a big T-shirt. It's unfortunately, it's like anime girl, anime guy, and then one of the most famous League of Legends players ever. Well, yeah, there's these little characters that, The idea is that it's just an assistant that during the day you talk to as an assistant, and while you're playing games, they sort of backseat game with you.

1:10:55But it makes sense that it's powered by Grok because these assistants are made to be companions. We all know what she is. Companions. Companions is a terrible word for this unless that's what you literally want it to do. It's also like because it's this pod that sits on your desk as a camera on the front so it can help you with what you're wearing and like your fashion sense or whatever. And it can see things you're doing. And I don't know. Razer has this thing where it feels like every year they make this huge splash with a product to get you to their booth that will never exist. And I specifically had a friend send this to me being like, look how crazy this is.

1:11:34It looks so stupid. And I was like, let me let you in on a little secret. Razer never actually releases. these things they just have all their other products at cds and he's like then how come you can pre-order and i was like what yeah and then i went and for 20 you can get in line for a reservation but they are saying this will come out in 2026 so i don't know what to think if they just realize nobody expects their stuff to come out so this was give us 20 bucks and we'll give it back or if this is actually gonna come if it's powered by grok i would bet you that they are literally just using the same like because grok also has the like companion like virtual actual bodied companion thing that you can interact with it's probably just using that api and changing the look of the character it's using the the ai part of something that they had already because they were doing like i think they announced ava last year for like the gaming stuff but now this is like almost a webcam where it's taking in context of things in your room but the weirdest thing is that it's this hologram which yeah we've been working on something that makes us understand holograms are really really hard um and i don't know there's no idea how much this is going to cost because you have to pay 20 to get in line for it yeah so is this going to be reasonably priced is this going to be it's so it's weird i'm out i yeah yeah i does this go for you give you an unfair advantage if you're playing though.

1:13:01It's in the FAQ. It's in the FAQ on the website. Is this cheating? Oh, is this cheating? Is this like rapid trigger? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's just going to be like, you need to build more pylons, dipshit. It's a little sad to me that it's obviously Grok because that kind of fits in with the whole gamer personality. I don't want Grok and Companion to be in the same sentence. Razor website also describes it as a friend for life. I'm out does that mean it has a lifetime warranty yeah that's the only way false marketing there's so much I want to talk about I don't know I don't know if this will even ever come out do we think this even comes out can we talk about the hologram for a sec because I can't stop thinking about this man because you're right Andrew we've been doing some secret stuff that involves holograms for the past few weeks and we've learned a lot about holograms and a lot about how they work and in all of the Razer photos on their website, no matter what angle the photo's taken from, no matter what angle the desk is at, or no matter what angle the user's facing, do you guys notice?

1:14:09It's facing on. It's facing dead at the camera, right? Yeah. Whereas on the Verge.com's photo in their header, not only is it at an angle, but do you see very faintly the transparent screen? Well, I thought that was the shutter speed catching something spinning. I don't think there's anything spinning in there. Oh, yeah. You think it's just a piece of glass, pretty much? I think it's a transparent LCD. I think it's a transparent LED. So it's not going to look volumetric at all. Which is the Samsung spec, not the LG spec. Well, it's hard to tell from this photo. The reason, here's why I don't think anything is spinning in there, is because when you generate a 3D image and a little bit of a spoiler, the thing we're working on, but when you generate a 3D image from spinning something, you don't just have to render one frame.

1:15:04Like if you're trying to render a 30 FPS video on a spinning thing, you have to render the slice at every degree, right? Which means you actually have to do a full spin more than once a frame, which means you need a graphics engine in this thing that's rendering these 2D slices at like over a thousand slices per second. Like you need an insane amount of graphics power and that's to do a low resolution image. From all the photos, this looks like a reasonably high res screen, right? So I'm willing to bet that Razer did not put like a 5090 in this thing. Yeah, it does not look like it's spinning.

1:15:43I mean, even there's a photo from sort of the top angle down where you can't, it looks like it's off, but you can kind of see the transparent LED. And does it look like it's at the same sort of perpendicular? It's the same angle. They're all at the same angle. Methinks 3D hologram is a little bit of an overstatement. But it is possible that this uses the same technology as that company Looking Glass in Brooklyn, which does light field displays. So it's not like a true 3D hologram, it's more like it's what nintendo used on the 3ds exactly yeah but also i don't know i think that's the best way to say i guess i just wanted to jump in here because i can't stop thinking about holograms for the past few weeks and when you know and you know it's hard to think about holograms and not also think about waifus yeah and when they're when when a big company is like yo do you remember the last time we talked to razor at ces i wasn't there but that's the basis of my yeah yeah when they were like why would you ask me that this isn't real yeah we'll see if this is but uh yeah they're taking money which they haven't done for other things so i'm assuming this is going to be real remember it's okay to take money and not deliver products now it's 2026 and razor if i'm wrong and you don't you didn't just buy a transparent led panel from samsung and put it in their stationary.

1:17:14Ellis will use this product for the rest of the year. I will end my Claude subscription and only use the Razer waifu for all of my LLM purposes. While having the bomb. Or whatever. But no, seriously, someone at Rachel should reach out and tell me if I'm wrong and it actually is a 3D hologram because I'd love to know about how it works because I'm thinking about holograms 24-7 these days. Cool. All right, we got some other things that I think are less creepy. Samsung, we just have to talk about one TV because this is CES after all. There's a gazillion of them. Well, there's a million. Wait, is that what they're calling their new TV OS?

1:17:56What? One TV. One TV? Oh! Damn. Like when you lie. All right, well, they announced the 130-inch... 4 ,000 IQ joke. I got it. 130-inch timeless frame. I just... This thing, I'm so confused. Can someone try and describe what this looks like? Because it's like a TV in a frame that doesn't connect, but is kind of off-centered and like an easel. It looks like an easel that it is like the TV is inside the easel and it pivots inside the easel and swings around. Like a whiteboard of us. It looks like you could spin it. Yeah, you could probably angle it. It's connected towards the bottom. I think it might be fixed.

1:18:40picture like 130 is a fixed basically bezel a dog door that's like the size of a third of a garage door but but the hinge is like exactly in the middle of the y-axis so that the garage door just spins over and over again like a like a conveyor belt flap fan yeah yeah yeah it's big it's huge so i under 30 inches micro rgb it's 130 inches i assuming this is 16.9 uh aspect or 16 by 9 aspect ratio that would be approximately 113 inches wide and 63 inches tall which would be 11 feet wide and five feet tall and that's just the tv screen it is then inside the other giant box so this is what like a 13 foot tall contraption that to be a timeless window rather than just a i don't know a stand this is going to be one of those like hundred thousand dollar tvs this is This is what CES does.

1:19:38This is LG rollable TV CES. I have a ginormous living room core. My couch doesn't touch a wall. This TV is bigger than my apartment. This definitely goes in the lobby of some giant building in Manhattan. To show where you are in the building. You are here in the mall. I think it's gorgeous. I mean, it is very pretty. It is timeless. It is the living room you need to pull it off. It is so far beyond my means. I can't even begin to. It's all concrete. It's going to be like the guys only need one thing photo of a guy that moves into a new apartment and it's just him sitting on a lawn chair with this and a PS5.

1:20:17That's resting on a 30 rack of Milwaukee's best. Yeah. Speaking of TVs, did you guys see all the frame TV knockoffs we got this year? There's so many. There's so many. Why did it take this long? I don't know. That's a great question. Yeah, I was surprised. Basically everybody, TCL, Hisense, LG, even Amazon is making a gallery TV now. And I think this always made a ton of sense. Ironically, I did hear that these are basically just excuses for the companies to use old panels that are way worse and sell them for a much higher price. Every year I think I want a frame TV and I never. We had one in the old studio and I like the idea of it, but I just never really decided.

1:21:01Their quality is all bad quality. They're all bad TVs. Yes. But when they're off and they show the art and they're like a little framed thing, they look kind of cool. And that's why they can charge you a lot of money for them. And that's the only way they sell it to you, by the way. They're like, look at this TV when it's off. Isn't that nice? Because otherwise it would be$300 on Black Friday. Yeah. If it didn't have the frame. I guess I can continue to not buy one. I'm glad that all these other companies are making them because it does mean that maybe there will be competition which will force them to have better quality, which would be nice.

1:21:34if that becomes the if like one of these starts selling more because it's a better tv then that will be proof enough to them that they should focus on that right but if they all sell well because they're all garbage tvs but they all have the same feature then no one's going to be incentivized to like make a really good i imagine the amazon fire tv one is going to sell really well um yeah do you guys remember the samsung serif tv i've heard that yeah baby it was like it was that tv that just sat on the ground serif tv oh yeah this kind of reminds me of the timeless frame we were just talking about yeah like i think isaac has one of these but it basically it it stands on the it has just these like legs that it stands on and then it's got it's called serif because like a serif font um and it's inside of this i don't know it looks it looks really nice terrible tv oh my god one of the worst tvs really it is so bad the actual display is horrible you want to do something brandon has it too actually yeah brandon owns one and it looks great it looks great in his apartment until he turned it on.

1:22:30You know where I saw the Serif TV for the very first time? Brandon's apartment? No, in a museum. That makes sense. Directory? No, because the designers who made it are these famous design brothers named the Boolarex that Samsung, and so it was an entire exhibit about the Boolarex furniture designs. And in the corner was this crazy looking TV and it had a Samsung logo on it. I was like, why is it 720p? Andrew do you want to talk about the vibrating knife yes I don't like how enthusiastic I was the way you described it but yes I want to open this by saying Marquez please let me do a video or a short about this so I actually saw this outside of CES but it is at CES so I'm counting it and we're allowed to talk about it but this is the Seattle Ultrasonic's C200 Ultrasonic 8 inch chef's knife it has ultrasonic twice in the name That's how sonic it is.

1:23:31So imagine a chef's knife with the thickest handle ever, because this handle looks really thick and plasticky and has a giant red button on it. Yeah, because it needs a battery. But why do you need a button on a knife? Well, this knife blade vibrates up to 30 ,000 times a second, which claims makes the knife behave sharper than it physically is. And so what happens then when you cut things while it's vibrating? It cuts them really fast and really well. So, like, I honestly put this in as a joke because I thought it was so funny. And it reminds me of those, like, the carving knives that everyone uses for, like, Thanksgiving, which some people really like.

1:24:09But I'm always a believer in... Oh, is that how it's vibrating? No, it's not. Carving knife specifically is just going, like, forwards and back. It's not... This is just, like... Like, they say when you turn it on, you can barely tell it's doing anything. The way they show it is they, like, put... How is it vibrating? I think just, like, everywhere. I think back and forth, probably. Is it pivoting or is it like that? I think everywhere. Vibrations are the key to all life. Dr. Fuji. It's doing the Harlem Shake, bro. I'm really trying to understand this. If a knife is like this and it's a sharp thing.

1:24:40I think it's just vibrating everywhere. And if it's vibrating, it's... I don't know what axis is vibrating. How does it... Yeah, what is the motor in the handle exactly doing? Like, is it vibrating forward and back or left and right? If you drop it, does it just start like around your kitchen? It's got it. It's got a buzz. No, no, no. Well, it'll like buzz a little bit. No, it'll probably buzz like... it's on the ground and it's vibrating no just cut through your floor and if it's vibrating it just falls through your basement this is like the best way it falls to the center of the earth and then it cuts the earth's core open and then the earth sort of like falls in half you cannot drop this knife you cannot I'd like to see they spent so much time asking you if they could they never asked if they should this is a good video example of that it's actually moving because it doesn't look like it is but they just put sand on it and it kind of looks like it's just going Up and down and slightly forward.

1:25:29It's like a tuning fork. It's like how a tuning fork resonates at a certain frequency. It's not like it's sliding back and forth. It's just sort of... It's resonating. I'm going to have to push back there because it's by definition ultrasonic. True, yeah. Well, 33 hertz is... Oh, 33 kilohertz. It means it's faster than you can hear, whereas the point of a tuning fork is to hear it. No, yeah, I agree. I'm just saying as far as... No, it's just being a joke. Cut that. Wait, can you hear 33 kilohertz? I feel like you... No. Oh, you can't. 20K is the... Oh, okay. If it was lower than 20K, it would just be Sonic.

1:26:00So your dog could hear this knife. Probably. It doubles as a dog whistle. You just go to cut your food and your dog is just freaking out. Oh my God. But in a way, you did just make a tell your dog that your dog has food in the kitchen. As if it didn't already know. But so at first, like I said, I thought this was just those carving knives and I wasn't really that interested. I like my kitchen stuff to be as un-tech focused as possible. I like just nice knives that I sharpen. I like cast iron. But then there's this video of it just like cutting through a baguette without serration. And just like usually you cut bread with a serrated knife and a baguette is hard.

1:26:46And usually you have to like smush it down to cut it. Wow. This is just. It just glides through it. That's like gliding through a baguette. Like a scissor through wrapping paper when you get that nice glide. dude the french are gonna be so excited but like like seeing it cut a tomato i'm like cool a really sharp knife cuts a tomato no problem watching this that's an apple i think oh um watching it cut through the baguette is like literally insane dude the mist coming off the tomato that's another way of showing how precise it's vibrating um can i ask you a question about knives i don't know anything about knives i probably can't answer this is a 400 smart knife 400 is not crazy how much we paid for the hammer how much is a really good sharp my like wusthof classic which is like a really good but still knife is already above my head it's like 160 bucks like you can get japanese steel for very expensive so if you want to yeah interesting yeah some of that is because of like how handmade and precise and like specific it is and like the handle is probably like one of one it's ip65 so it's not going to go through a dishwasher is it no but you can hand wash it through a cellar.

1:27:55You shouldn't, any knife worth that much money, you should not put it in. Yeah, you should never put it in. No, that's true, that's true. But I'm just thinking like, if you use this one knife for your raw meat and then need to use it again later, you know how you're cooking, you have like three, you need to use a knife for three different things? Yeah. I feel like you need. You wash it. Yeah. Yeah. You should always wash your knife and dry it off immediately and not leave it out wet. And it's also because the different knives are better for different things, like serrated knives for the baguettes.

1:28:18Yeah. Well, okay, so this has 1 ,100 milliamp hour removable battery pack. It charges either USB-C or it has, do you know how people have the wooden magnetic knife mounts? For$150, you can get one of those that's wireless charging. Marques, I blame you for this because you said to USB-C all the things. And they have. Was that a micro USB? Which one do you want? Just like a true tech product, it says, I believe it says, to avoid e-waste, USB-C cable and charger are not included in the box. Damn. So you gotta charge your knife. How long do you think this knife battery lasts? I bet how long are you using a knife?

1:28:59I bet it's totally fine to get through. But at some point you need to charge your knife, which is hilarious. Does it last long enough to catch up to the center of the earth? Maybe that's the only thing saving it. There's just a bunch of knives like hundreds of feet deep with dead batteries. I also just love the idea of just like you use it and then you just stick it and it starts charging. That's crazy. This was a Total joke at first, and I want this so bad now. I want this. I want it really bad. I know. If you're listening, Seattle Ultrasonics. Yeah, please. We're here. Or Internet Shaquille needs to do a review on this.

1:29:31Please send him one. He's way cooler than us. But if you want to send us one, or if I can convince Marquez to let us do a short on it, I'm here. You're going to have to send it because I looked at adding it to my cart for a pre-order, and you pay full price right away. When does it come out? In March, I think. 400 bucks. I want it. Which is not that far away. before the pickle i want place your bets i think that's my second favorite thing oh the third cool thing it's got ip it's got an ip rating yeah it's ip65 i want to do a really quick um lenovo power hour because they always do the weirdest stuff they are announcing a laptop that okay last year we got the laptop that rolled upwards we sure did awesome and that was cool Linus went on Jimmy Fow Kim Fallon and showed him the same night as Bad Bunny was there I'm so jealous Linus, Sebastian, Bad Bunny can't even tell him a part this year they did a rollable computer that rolls out so it makes an ultra wide display the scroll book yeah scroll book pro now I know why you like that because David could be like check out this picture I took.

1:30:48And then it expands outwards and then he's like, he's like 23 by seven. It makes the royal flex pie like creaks.

1:30:58But I mean, I would like the vertical rollbook, I think for productivity is good. The horizontal rollbook is pretty sick for gaming. You know, I think that that, you know, pretty cool. Just product. I mean, also productivity is whether you want a big chat. It's like code and like big emails or chats like you want vertical or like if you want it to go sideways so you have side-by-side screens yeah you don't need a vision pro if you got this thing no um they also made a laptop concept that has a rollable display that wraps around its lid which is weird um i don't know a lot of this tech eventually comes to to stuff eventually for adam uh they made a fifa edition razor phone oh sure did okay um with like the fifa logo on the back it's just a branded version yeah just with a custom ringtone yeah yes two phones for some reason but if they can upcharge somebody who really likes soccer they'll do it uh they made a new moto watch that promises 13 day battery life and polar powered health tracking that uses polar so that seems pretty interesting seltzer company no well no no polar polar is another like you know right i have no idea what polar polar is a smartwatch brand oh They make a bunch of health accessories, like heart rate monitors and stuff like that, straps and stuff.

1:32:15Right, right, right. So this is called the Moto Watch. It's round. You know, it doesn't have the flat tire. So I don't know. That looks pretty good. But the one thing that I'm sure you'll be reviewing soon here, Marquez, is... The Dell XPS? Yeah. They did. Dell did bring back the XPS name. I literally ordered it. You ordered the XPS? Yes. Why? The new 14. Because it looks like it's actually good. I know. Well, they were good. Well, it was good, and then they got rid of XPS for a year, and it was like Dell Pro, Dell Pro Max. That is weird. I forgot about that. Now they're back. Now XPS is back, and they fixed a lot of the things.

1:32:49They have a real function row key, and they have better speakers, and you can actually see the trackpad. It looks like a much better laptop. I was like, let me give it a shot. Okay. Well, there is now a Razer hot dog phone. Yeah. I'm glad you called it. It's correct. Razer Fold. Razer Fold. Oh, I thought we meant the gaming company again. oh sorry so moto razor fold yeah um hot dog so apparently the fisher michael fisher mr mobile said that he was not that excited for it and then he saw it in person and that it the build quality is actually really really nice um and that he's pretty excited for it that's a weird thing to say about his own product i trust i trust michael fisher's uh read on a phone first impressions I'm also not expecting very much from a, what is this going to be like?

1:33:37A$14,$1 ,500 Motorola flagship that folds. Notably, they did the like$600 hamburger fold. That was their bread and butter. Yeah. A little throwback razor foldable thing was, they got it all the way down to like, yeah, $6.99 or maybe$5.99. I think it was$5.99. They had a version of it. That was the cheapest version. That made it really good. But I always felt like Motorola, at least in the past like five, six years, has been making these edge flagships and they've just never been pushing any sort of boundaries of being like a really good phone they'll just make like a decent phone and it's their flagship yeah the edges have been like like not great cameras pretty okay battery but they don't do silicon carbon i think this this has a 5200 milliampere i don't think they do any silicon carbon in their whole lineup yeah um like okay like flagship chip but also they were really first to 5g and haven't done anything great since like i don't know they're fine yeah but when they're doing when i hear they're doing a fold i'm like it'll be fine yeah so but if he you know if he likes it it sounds just fine i'll check it out yeah they're also making an ai pendant i did see that too yeah it's a concept right now it's like a necklace right it's a necklace with a camera yeah because there's a surveillance a keyboard youtuber that i really like called hippyotech and i think he's at his first ces ever and he's his whole instagram is just like i'm so excited to see the new tech hope it doesn't have ai and then it's just like oh i'm just like it's just been like 48 hours to go to ces my friend bad news everything um well speaking of michael fisher the main events last thing i have here and i know it looks like a lot but we can kind of go through this notably the best thing that got announced at ces after the lego brick oh yeah i like michael fisher a lot but the lego perk was pretty awesome and i don't think he'll be upset about that um all right but clicks the company that he is a part of released two new products yeah um the first one the clicks power keyboard yeah is essentially a so they had previously been doing the cases with the keyboard on the bottom which for a lot of phones made them long very long very long tall as heck it kind of made the most sense on like the z flips because then you could use the front screen with your own yeah and the razor and your own keyboard not being in the way of the small screen and it would be a regular size but so the clicks power keyboard is actually a imagine a battery bank with mag safe and then when you pop it to the back of your phone you can slide your phone up and now there's a keyboard on the battery bank so now the keyboard rests there is also providing charge with your phone and you can pop it on and off whenever you yeah um which is kind of awesome it has multiple different sliding ranges so like if you have a smaller phone or a really big phone.

1:36:17You can turn it landscape if you want kind of a knockoff LG wing. Nothing's going to be the, nothing can fill the void that the wing left. But like it does awesome stuff. Like it's done with the past on the cases where it can take away your keyboard. You get all your screen real estate back, which is great. One of the cool things I really liked about the power keyboard was it has multiple Bluetooth connections and And they kind of just created a mobile Bluetooth keyboard in a sense. Yeah. Where like this could connect to your phone, but this could also connect to your Vision Pro and you don't have to type in the air anymore.

1:36:55This could connect to your Apple TV so you don't have to use the remote arrow buttons to search for things. That's huge. Yeah. So like this is now just kind of, especially if you keep it with your phone. Universal pocketable Bluetooth keyboard that's also a battery bank that if you can pair it easily to things, that would be awesome. And then there's a, he said there's multiple pairing and it's just a keyboard shortcut to swap between the pairs. Oh, that's so smart. So launch price$79. Which is pretty good. I mean, battery banks aren't that cheap. It's definitely more expensive than a regular battery bank, but it has to have the sliding mechanism and a keyboard that they put a lot of effort into.

1:37:29After launch price, it'll be$109, which that's pricey, but I really think the people who would want this will want it. I also like how now it's not just a phone in a case all of the time and long. if there are scenarios where you think you need it a little more. And it also is now a battery bank as well, which is awesome. I didn't see how big it was. Also, a huge shout out to Michael. He opens the video keynote with like, I've seen a million of them and let's do them right. This whole thing was announced at fully in spec with price at like two minutes and 45 seconds into the video, including the intro.

1:38:03Yeah. So bravo. Yeah, I think this makes a lot more sense. Their problem before was that they needed to make it for every individual phone. Yes. And they eventually got it out for the Razer. But like every year when they update the phone, like Apple updated the camera bar. So then it didn't, you know, you had to buy a whole new case and they cost over$100 and it just like doesn't make a lot of sense. And so having something that just uses MagSafe slash Qi 2 that is just a universal keyboard that you can also use with Vision Pro. You can also use it with your Apple TV or whatever. it just makes like way more sense and it's a battery bank which is just yeah it is a little bit like thick it's bulky for sure but it's a battery bank yeah it's a battery bank so i don't think you're gonna want to have it on your phone all the time but it is kind of nice that you can just have your phone normal for most of the time and then when you want to get into some keyboard action and i like that it slides up they also showed that it does work with foldable phones unfolded uh so even like the z fold seven that's an it'll work with well yeah because even if it's not connected if you have the um well i can't even remember what the trifold is but now the trifold could be all the way out and now you have a hand keyboard yeah yeah also but the z fold seven like if you put if you like magnetize it to it it actually like the keyboard will be low enough that you can type on it.

1:39:23Sideways or? Like when it's open. Really? But then it'd be off to one side, right? It didn't look like that in his video. Well, I'm assuming then he flipped it landscape and folded it up. Yeah. Oh, maybe. That's probably what happened. Which is awesome. Yeah. Yeah, that's really cool. Pretty cool. I mean, obviously, Michael Fisher's gonna be somebody that probably said, we have to do this, we have to do this, we had to do this at all the design meetings. glad that he got his voice through it's the perfect time that now chi 2 accessories or chi 2 ready is so much more prevalent that like even if phones don't have the magsafe magnet you can probably find a case even though there's like the pixel uses chi 2 and the um what is it the skyline the hmd skyline and that's basically it except for our next product we're gonna talk about which is another quick another clicks product i didn't even realize this had chi 2 baby i missed So, okay, there's another product that Clix announced called the Clix Communicator, which if you know Michael Fisher, makes a lot of sense.

1:40:26It's a reference. It's a reference to Star Trek. And it's basically, the idea of it is, it's similar to the idea of what Palm was when they launched their phone, except it's not like micro. It's like, it's a different form factor. It has like a square display with a keyboard. It kind of looks like a Blackjack or Blackberry, like the original Blackberry. I consider this the r slash android phone it's like everything that r slash android wants in a device this is so interesting to me it is specifically tailored to mostly just be a communication device so it uses a modified version of niagara launcher which if you ever use niagara it's basically this um this descending list of letters on the side of your screen that just lists your apps out so it's supposed to be like the anti-social media anti-scrollable device because you know you could have tiktok on it but it's gonna have these big bars on the side because it's not a vertical display it's like a square display yeah it is so it's so clearly indicated as a communicator because as a physical keyboard yeah which you know obviously is going to well for most people is going to be the ideal way to type out a lot of stuff yeah is this is this really interesting to me for two reasons one is because i think i would enjoy using something like this although i'm a smartphone person like i use my smartphone keyboard all the time but two it is such a good product idea as a new like startup type of company yeah i've been asked probably a trillion times in my lifetime hey shouldn't shouldn't you make a phone like couldn't you you you review all these phones shouldn't you compete and it's like no this is this is the most competitive like impossible to break through category to make a new product i could never just make a smartphone in my bedroom or something like that.

1:42:09That's ridiculous. But a product like this, they have all of the right, obviously, this is a very specific targeted genre for like what the product is. But then they don't have to have the best camera because this is not a thing that's designed about having the best camera. This doesn't have to have the best screen. This doesn't have to have the best processor or even software. Obviously, a new startup, we hear, you know, Carl pay from nothing talk all the time about how it takes so much extra work for a team to make all this new software okay well we'll use nagra launcher like they have all these things that are appropriately trimmed down and not trying to compete with smartphones because the whole thing isn't competing with smartphones yeah so it's a really interesting decently new thing yeah that i think will find a home because it's not going to be ideally compared with smartphones or you're missing the point yeah it is different from a smartphone it's so clearly made by somebody and the community that we are all in because like my favorite thing notification led yeah like come on we've all been asking for it.

1:43:04Yeah. In the power button. Smart. And like, it can be based on contacts or based on apps that are giving you notifications. It's what we have always asked for. Yeah, exactly. And it's because this is a thing that they're saying it's a second phone optimized for communicating. Yeah. So much of it's supposed to be based on triaging inbox and like seeing when you want to actually like pick up your phone and it's because like maybe you don't care about some emails right now but if you're getting the slack color notification maybe that's what you do need to pick your phone up for like every every photo of this uh with the screen on shows like the messages hub which is just like answering replying to messages that's what the thing is best at yeah which is what's for i mean it's really it's really shipped as like a weekend phone like you use it on the weekend to just kind of like get stuff done or like a secondary device if you're like a business person can you use this as your main phone you could yeah it's a full android phone this is where i'm getting kind of confused yes it is a full android phone they said you can download apps you can download like david to tiktok or youtube or whatever on it i'm confused a little bit because it has i will answer its own sim card yes it has they're saying second phone so it's like a phone you use as a companion yes with your regular phone but it doesn't have a second phone number uh yes so i uh saw this in the in the script last night so i texted michael fisher to get you an answer for this oh yeah Speaking of which, full disclosure, we know and like Michael Fisher.

1:44:30Yeah, we love Michael Fisher. He was just on the show like three weeks ago. Probably take everything with a grain of salt, maybe one of those cool grains that are vibrating at 30 ,000 on that knife that I really want, if you're still listening to Seattle. Yeah, used to be my roommate. We see each other like twice a week. So if you think I'm lying, then that's fair. I'm doing my best here. That's a great disclosure. Let's see what he said. I said question. Oh, yeah. Okay. he said yeah we've seen some confusion around this it is a full phone with a prime physical sim and e-sim support but you need a second number we're not doing anything at the moment in terms of number mirroring or forwarding the target customer either uses mostly federated messaging apps like telegram or whatsapp or whatever yeah or slack or whatever i mean this is where i with multiple sign-ons and or maintains two phone numbers like marquez anyway yeah so when they say companion phone it's not paired in any way to your phone it's just you have a separate phone that you try to use less and you have this as your main communicator yeah and you answer your slack messages on this you answer your telegram messages all the things that you're signed into that will sync and will mark as read everywhere else yeah that's i'm just curious if this could be someone's primary device it definitely could i think it runs android and you can install whatever android apps you want yeah it's just not ideal it's fully over a lot It might be clear.

1:45:54Because I don't think a lot of people are going to be buying this as a secondary device outside of our sphere. Yeah, really? Well, maybe the business community. I feel like business people just get iPhones. Get an old iPhone or something. Or a Samsung phone with Knox. I've seen a couple people with BlackBerrys. Or like work phones. That's what I mean, work phones for business phones. Like you just get issued an iPhone. Usually, yeah. I don't know. My thing was like, I think this is awesome. I would want it, which what I want might be impossible. So I think that's totally fair. But like I would want it to use my number because I still use text messaging so much.

1:46:31I mean, you could just use those as your main phone. Yeah, that's cheap too. The thing is, this wouldn't be my weekend phone. This would be my weekday phone because I get a lot of stuff done at work. I would be able to really quickly see notifications on it. And when I get home and I only have two hours before Lane goes to bed. Doomscroll. No, I can't doomscroll because this is what I'm using. Whereas my normal phone on the weekend where maybe I have more time to screw around on it or I'm capturing more things based on what we're doing. That's when I use my. So how about this? Great point. How about you get you switch to Google Fi?

1:47:04You get one of their data only Sims that's free. You put the data only Sim in your pixel. You use this on as your main phone. And on the weekend, you don't have to respond to text anyway. Yeah. My real thing is I think I'd rather almost just use this as my only phone. And now that I'm carrying a camera around with myself all the time. Yeah. honestly yeah i think a lot of people are going to want to use this as their only phone but my other issue is that being the keyboard nerd on this i have zero nostalgia for phone keyboards however but i do want to try it really bad because it seems like however so so a big problem that people had with the original clicks were was that like the key the keys were a little bit too close to each other and they were pretty small because this is does not have to adhere to that classic 21 by 9 aspect ratio and it's wider because it's a square screen the keys are actually quite a bit bigger so you might have a better experience typing on this thing that you did this has just always been what confuses well not confusing me what keeps me personally from the clicks line of stuff is because i do have like the nostalgia factor for physical keyboards but there's something like i'm so good now with a on-screen keyboard like swiping and all that like it's so good i don't know if i go back if i would still be as good there might be a learning curve i have a feeling because this is what happened when i tried clicks is like there is a learning curve where i I get dramatically slower when switching to a new keyboard, but perhaps after using it for a while, I could be just as fast, if not faster, and enjoy it more.

1:48:27And it's got voice-to-text. But it is very frustrating to be a slow typer. The voice-to-text, you can customize the side button also, and one of the things to do is you press it and hold it, and it automatically brings in speech-to-text, and then when you let go, it just sends it. I love it. It's just an easier way to put it through out. I need it to let go and then let me review it before sending it. No. because speech to text has done me so before. Also it has a headphone jack. It has a headphone jack. It has micro SD. That's micro SD expansion. It has like, like I said, this was built by somebody.

1:48:59That's the R slash Android phone. What do you need micro SD for? If you're not doing music. Expansion. Storage expansion. But what are you storing? What are you not wanting? Messages. Yeah. I have 500 gigabytes of text. What? I'm joking. Yeah, I feel like it should have like 64 gigs. Yeah, the cameras are notably not that good but like, who cares? Yeah. I've never cared about my phone camera. That's, I don't know if I believe you. That's a lie. I only sometimes care about my phone. Your face camera. I've never, with a straight face, I've never cared about this camera. Yeah. I have never thought once about a camera in a phone, David Amell.

1:49:36Not a single time. Notable not caring about photos and cameras. Haven't made multiple videos about it at all. They also, like you said, they updated the keyboard in a bunch of different ways from the font to the size to the spacing. It also can work as a trackpad. You can scroll across it, which is also kind of nice because since the screen is smaller, now your thumb is not in the way. Along with that, you can do a bunch of shortcuts through certain buttons. There's specifically a clicks button on it, but you can program different shortcuts on there. I love it. It's like Raycast on my phone. Just like quick key bindings and everything.

1:50:14I'm glad you found that because I had them. um there is a launch price of what is it so the actual so the actual price is going to be 499 okay there is a early bird price um reservation price which is 399 so i think if you pay in full now you can get it for 100 cheaper yeah and then there's a reservation deposit of 200 so you have to um but that also says to lock in the early bird price oh yeah that's confusing that's why I'm confused. Okay. Oh, but if you do pay it in full, you get two back covers. Oh, yeah. Because it has a replaceable back cover. It has a replaceable. So it's got a colored back cover, and you can just swap them out for a different color if you want.

1:50:54Can you replace the battery? If I can hot swap batteries. That's a great question. If you can replace the back, I don't think so. I doubt it. Oh, my God. I doubt it, but that would be amazing. But then they probably couldn't IP. Yeah. It's Qi2 and Silicon Carbon. I don't think you can. There's also a fingerprint sensor on the space bar. The space bar, yeah. This is amazing. Also, the reason the notification LED is on the side button is because whether it's face up or face down on the table, you'll still be able to see it. And I don't remember if you guys remember the BlackBerry, um, the back BlackBerry, God, it was the Android one that slid out.

1:51:30It went, remember that? Was it the Priv? Priv. Priv. The Priv had a touch sensitive keyboard. So you could like, you could use it as like a mouse by just scrolling your finger and it kind of hurt a little bit. This does the same thing. yeah the track the trackpad is touch sensitive so you can like scroll your finger around it and it kind of hurts a little bit um yeah it's crazy and then you've got a bunch of different colors it's just it's so cool in my eyes it's affordable this is we talk so much about dumb phones and this is not a dumb phone but this feels like the better version of all of those phones of like a productivity phone a non-distracting phone it's the perfect i think this is better than all and a perfect product again it's like if i if someone came out with a 500 phone that had a bad key a bad camera and had like a bunch of stuff that's like not up to competing with other 500 flagships you'd be mad but this is such a specific product yeah that does such a specific thing that doesn't really have competitors the cameras aren't i mean it's 50 megapixel it has ois it's got a 24 megapixel front-facing i can guarantee it's not gonna be it's not gonna be good you know pixel or whatever 500 phones out there for sure it's good enough but it has q2 which most phones don't have pixel think about the$500 Pixel.

1:52:40The Pixel has it. If you buy a$500 Pixel, you get Qi 2, you get a good battery, you get Tensor's not good, but you get really good cameras. Well, and also it didn't launch at$500. Well, what's the 9A cost? 9A? Yeah, I guess the A. The A is$550, I think. Yeah. So, but this, I'm not expecting it to do those things. I'm expecting it to have an amazing keyboard and to do the notification light and the Qi 2 and the headphones on it. And a headphone jack. Yeah, well, it has 256 gigabytes of storage which the pixel doesn't have by the way. That's hilarious. If we remember and expandable storage. Micro SD up to 2 terabytes.

1:53:18You want to have a 2 terabyte texting phone? Let's freaking go baby. How many messages you can store with 2 terabytes of micro SD? All of them. All of the messages. We're pixel. We have the best camera ever. Here's 128 gigs. We literally just send text messages. Double it. Yeah so I texted Fisher literally yesterday and I was like because his office is near my apartment and I was like you don't have one just lying around I could bring into the podcast do you and he was like man we brought them all to CES but I would love to get you some immediately if you want we'll take five we'll take five the Pixel 9a is on sale right now at google.com or googlestore.com it is currently$3.99 well so is this if you pre-order it and you get more you get more storage you get more storage anyway I just think it's cool as heck and I think that if social media did not exist and forced us to do everything in 21 by 9 this is what we could have just on the market all the time with many different options but social media had to standardize everything this segment was not sponsored by clicks in any way it wasn't well it doesn't matter that he's one of my best friends it's fine if you think I'm lying maybe it's possible I could be tricking you are we going to talk about the AI assistant that's built into it I don't know I'm joking it's just Michael Fisher it's like the weeaboo thing it's like Michael Fisher in a Star Trek starfleet uniform that would be so good don't give him any ideas he's like what do you need honestly yeah the notification LED thing is huge it's so good I said to him last night it was like 3 cents of cost unlimited value and the colors on the back that you can get are like this like sea foam blue there's like a grey that's kind of like a granite grey there's like the cool orange that's kind of like burnt there is the green that's sort of like a forest green waveform green as we from that Reddit post that was like men only like one color?

1:55:39There's like a wine color. There's a slate gray. There is neon yellow which only Michael Fisher likes. What? No, me too. That's my favorite color. I have the phone. No, this is like, this is neon. It's piss. You all are fake. I'm the real piss boy. I can't use that. No, you know what? Leave it in. Leave it in. Leave it in. Please don't think so. There's like a burnt hot pink purple thing. It's a thing. And then there's a burnt magenta, I guess we'd say. And then there's a leather back. Is that leather or brown leather? It looks like leather to me. Yeah, it's leather. Look at that texture. It might be vegan leather.

1:56:23I'm going to pre-order. I'm going to reserve one. I will hopefully review it. I'm going to check it out. Oh, and we forgot to mention, the actual body color also comes in three colors. It comes in white, green, and black. Oh, there's a green? You know which one's the correct one. White's the correct one. There's a forest green, though. I know, but the white looks so good. I'd rather it be white with a green back. I just always worry about white products, like if they're going to, in my pocket, just turn like a weird color. Patina. Yeah. It'll pick up the blue jeans. I don't know. I don't know.

1:56:50Might not. Anyway, speaking of worried, that we're way too long. I'm worried about the next trivia question. As you should be, because we spoke about Lego. in this most recent segment. Three hours ago. Three hours ago, right at the beginning. I did not expect this to go this long, but I should have known. Currently, the most expensive set you can buy on the website is what and for how much? Two points on the line. Okay. How specific do we have to get? Very specific. Closest price without going over. Without going over. I just heard of a new set they're releasing. It's very specific. Are you counting that one?

1:57:28Is it sets that you can currently buy on the shelf right now? Because the one that they announced, I think... It's launching January 24th. So it's not out. You could buy it, but it'll get to you on January 24th. So the answer is something I first... I don't want to say anything else. There's a bunch of them, but it's like the one that's currently on the website, sort by highest price, what's that first? So I'm not going to get that. I'm not going to get any points this year. Told you I should be worried. Well, I'm going to learn something new today. Answers will be at the end like usual. We'll be right back.

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1:59:16this is going to be a competition oh no yeah what i'm calling it call your shot so you have to call your shot for the rest of the year you're making your prediction but we are going to revisit this at the end of the year and i'm going to tally up the correct predictions and the wrong predictions okay so you want to be accurate but not too accurate you want to be like closest but not going over yeah closest but not not going over all right so first question i'm just going to ask you guys a bunch of questions and you guys are going to make your predictions okay so yes or no basically no some of them are like under yeah over under name a product you know scam reel for example what is one product that will not ship this year oh easy cyber cab it's too easy that doesn't get what cyber cab yeah is that your take well because they announced it would ship this year and at that i think that's a pretty good take that it will not i mean there are hundreds of thousands of robo taxis by the end of 2025 of course of course we hear that every day um ship ship the Zenfone

2:00:22no if we're just trying to tally as many correct things as possible that's one thing but if we want to make like a bold prediction I'll say it still has to be a prediction it's just can I say the I'm gonna say Rabbit R2 but just whatever this like three in one rabbit thing is Vision Pro 2 I think I like Cyber Cab because it was announced that it would ship this year. Right. Yeah, it has to be something that's been announced. You can't just like make up a thing. My thing's like a rumor. It's also funny because my prediction last year was there would be a Rabidart 2 last year. Oh, yeah. And I was wrong, so I'm doing the opposite.

2:00:56Well, what else have they announced will come out this year? Or something that might be rumored to come out. Or like... Oh, the Razer thing. The Razer thing. Like iPhone Air would be an interesting thing. iPhone Air 2. I think it makes it, but like... Didn't they say they weren't going to make it this year? Well, that's the question. That's not something we have for sure. Folding iPhone is another one. No, that's coming out. People all think that's this year. It's coming out. I know. I know it's coming out. Oh, I'll go with that. No folding iPhone this year. Okay. Oh, wow. You're wrong on that one.

2:01:27I tell you, if you get that point, that could be a huge point. I have some insider knowledge. It's possible that it could not come out, but just based on everything I've read from Ming-Chi Kuo and stuff like that, it would almost be more expensive for it not to be to come out this year than to put it out and have it be bad. Siri. Literally, I was thinking that. I was like, is the new Siri? Guys, we're missing the obvious one, the easy, the slam dunk, the Kareem hookshot. You can get a point. Yeah, I will. I said it two weeks ago. Yeah, it's the 1X Neo. There's no way that's coming out this year.

2:02:02Was that supposed to come out in 2026? It's supposed to come out in 2026. Okay, that's a good one. That's not coming out. That's a good one, yeah. So we all think Pickle's coming out. Do we think Pickle's coming out? I wanted to say the new Siri. I think Pickle is coming out. I think it's just going to be bad. Yeah. I wanted to say the new Siri, but I feel like at DubDub, they can't not re-announce it. That's what we said last year. Oh. It's true. Didn't it get announced at DubDub last year? No, two years ago. No, two years ago. Yeah, but it's still not out. Yeah, maybe this year they just spend talking about folding displays.

2:02:38Wait. I feel like I have to ask a question about my Neo prediction what like if they just send people a lifeless corpse like like like a mannequin that doesn't work do I lose I think right now like what does ship mean I can't believe we're here where we have to say like what is ship I think if they ship and it's still just um teleoperated that counts because that is what they said they were going to do so you would lose that bet but a lifeless corpse that doesn't even turn out no well they're not going to do that Tesla Optimus And we're thinking along the lines of a while ago where we said, like, when does the F-150 Lightning ship?

2:03:14And it's like, we're saying, like, 50 people, non-review, hands-on. Okay, so it's Ford-Tesla cyber lightning rules. Yeah. All right. And I will maintain what I said last episode, that if this does ship in 2026, even Peliopi, I'll eat more hot sauce. I can't wait for some. And it gets to feed you the hot sauce. if that yeah you have permission mr neo i'm assuming the guy who founded the company's name is either mr neo or mr one x um because all companies are um but uh like mr apple yeah like tim apple founder and and bill microsoft yeah and uh elon tesla no elon paypal no it's nikolai elon elon no it's elon boring guys that's it am i right no uh yeah you have permission to send one to the studio and have it tele-op hot sauce into my mouth.

2:04:06Nice. GTA6. Damn. Whoa, is that an actual prediction? I don't feel like it could get delayed. Are you just throwing it out there? I'm kind of throwing it out there. I don't feel like it could get delayed again, but I've been wrong many times. So if you get it wrong, is there a penalty in point? No, it's just less chance of winning. Not unless you're winning. Okay, got it. okay yeah I'll stick with mine then my new Streetlight Manifesto album definitely album yeah how about ooh okay here's one okay this is actually a good one the Honda Afila Sony car that they did announce at CS is gonna ship this year I bet you it will not ship this year the SUV or the car because they rolled out a brand new SUV without even shipping the car I'll take either one the car The car.

2:05:00Okay. Yeah, I like that. I like that guess. Yeah. Will Threads federate? No. It's over. Will Threads federate? Now, can we get a definition? It's over. Will Feds threaderate? I'm asking for a definition because at the moment, I share to Threads and it shares to the Fediverse, but that's not what you're talking about. So what do you mean by... I don't write this. The full federation would be someone replies to you on Macedon. Uh-huh. You see their reply on threads. You can like their reply, which you can currently do, but you can also reply, which you cannot currently do. You can't reply to their reply.

2:05:38Can I say something? Okay. You know why the Fediverse will never work? Because you've been trying to explain it to us for three years and we're still asking the same four questions. It's so easy. You post something on Mastodon and you see it on threads. Yeah, it needs to get to the point where we don't need to explain it. That's the issue. Picture a world where you cannot email me because you have Gmail and I have Hotmail. Yeah. Now picture not that. That's the Fediverse. Everything works. So everyone says no? The entire Fediverse is over? No. Oh, just the Threadiverse. The Threadiverse is over.

2:06:12Yeah, that makes sense. Will Apple or Samsung get a silicon carbon battery product? Phone. Product or phone? What do we think? Yeah. Oh, they make so many products. What if my Samsung washing machine has silicon carbon? Yeah, phone. Well, Samsung or Apple, those two companies only? Specifically those two because we've already seen them from the Chinese manufacturers. We have to pick one or just yes or no for both? Oh. So I have some context that might help this answer. When I was at Google I.O. last year, a Pixel engineer came up to me and he said, I know you guys keep wondering where the silicon carbon is coming in the U.S., but i just so you know all the chinese companies are shipping it and it's very unsafe and like it gets like it has way less charging cycles than regular lithium ion and we're not using it because yeah it's higher capacity and lasts longer but it they die within like two years it also expands and they expand worse and blah blah so it seems like the western companies are more concerned with like longevity and or safety especially samsung who has had battery problems in the past which would lead me to believe that nobody's gonna use it this year.

2:07:26Although, does the iPhone Air use Silicon Carbon? No, it does not. It doesn't. So that's an interesting, I've heard some of those same anecdotes from people who work at these companies. I think that that means that at the end of this year, we'll know if that's true or not because we'll have two-year-old, like OnePlus 13 will be two years old. And so we'll have two-year-old Silicon Carbon phones out there that will either still be doing fine or they will start to have, they'll start to show their flaws. So I think we'll probably continue to see no Silicon Carbon from the big two for one more year.

2:08:02But we'll also find out if that was a mistake or not. I think next year is when the Western companies will start shipping Silicon Carbon, but not this year. Interesting. Okay. I'm going to say, I'm going to say yes. I'm going, I want to win this game or I want to lose this game. Okay. Okay, nice. Bold pick. next question will the Pixel 11 get a redesign can we do will the Pixel 11 base storage be 256 it has to be you would think I agree now do we define redesign by like big redesign or just like just a new refinement from like from 7 to 8 yeah because 9 to 10 was like the same phone you know so it'll still have a camera visor it's gonna look the same I think the visor is gonna look different I think it's gonna be a redesigned visor but still be a visor kind of similar to how it went from the like melting over the edge to now being its own.

2:08:49I agree. Something about that will change to be more obviously not the 10. Do you think it's going to be more unibody like the iPhone, but then have like the glass charging back? That'd be cool. Like aluminum. Would that count as a redesign? Yeah. Yeah. I don't think they're going to do that. I agree with you. I think it will be a slightly different visor, but I don't think it's enough to be a redesign. Like a redesign, when you say that, I picture them going with something that looks very different, which I don't know. Like a regular phone upgrade. All the Pixels, you knew they were Pixels. Yeah.

2:09:22What Samsung does from year to year is not a redesign. No, no. What Apple did with the Pro phone this year is a redesign. I would argue every Pixel until the 9 to 10 was a redesign. So that's kind of what I'm thinking. Every Pixel from 9 to 10 was a redesign. It was a different phone. You could tell it was a Pixel, but it was a different phone. Pixel 7 and Pixel 8 were I would say 7 and 8 was not a redesign. 8 to 9 was a redesign. 9 to 10 was not a redesign. Yeah, okay, that's fair. I guess when I picture redesign, I picture going from the ground. It was a slightly updated design, but I don't think that's a redesign.

2:10:00A redesign is like, let's go back to the drawing board. Pixel 8 and 9 were different. I know. I said 7 and 8 were the same, and 9 and 10 are the same. Got it. Yeah, TikTok. Well, that would mean that they're going to redesign it again, and 11 and 12 will be the same. Yeah. I think something, like they might do like a two-tone color between the bump. Although I guess that it doesn't connect. It doesn't. They're also selling so well right now that I feel like they're going to be a little bit scared to change anything. Okay, I'm going with, yes, they will slightly update the visor. So that's a redesign.

2:10:35Yes. Okay, yeah, I'm going with that. I'm going to go with no. It's going to be the same as the Pixel 10. Yeah. I kind of want to go yes. That would be very Samsung with them. I want to go there will be a redesign. We're going to have to really figure out how to define that. Yeah. It'll be orange. It's a redesign. All right, next question. What will be the phone of the year? Way too early prediction for phone of the year. Yeah, phone of the year is a crazy one. iPhone Fold. I'm kidding. Well, okay. So if we think iPhone Fold is going to come out, that's an option, right? Okay. We're going to get, we know the obvious ones are going to come out.

2:11:15Yeah. We know there's going to be a new S26 and a new iPhone and a new Pixel and a new. And a new Zenfone. Oh. Exactly. Yeah. We know there's going to be a new Xiaomi. Xiaomi 17 Ultra is coming. And probably the 18 and 19 and 20 in the same area probably. Yeah. Yeah. What is going to be the phone of Oppo Find X10? The OnePlus 15S and then the 16. I was going to say. Oppo Find X10 Pro. OnePlus 16 finally decides to put a reasonable camera in it. That would be huge. Above reasonable camera. I mean, that was everyone's like... Flagship camera? That was everyone's problem with it. If that happened, I agree that if that happened, it would be phone of the year.

2:11:52I just don't think that's going to happen. I believe in you, OnePlus. All right, Andrew's gone phone of the year, OnePlus 16. I could see it. That's a good guess. I'm trying to read my future self what I think would happen. I'm gonna let's go with Marques can literally do whatever he wants I can decide which one wins I can make sure you guys are wrong too but will you? let's go Pixel finally figures itself out Tensor I think I thought this last year too I think this is the year that Pixel finally has a high quality chip your prediction last year is the year of the Pixel of Tensor yeah I think it's going to be the Clix Communicator.

2:12:40Yeah, maybe. Oh, January. Interesting. Show. You would probably never choose that as your fun of the year, though. So I'm going to say... Honestly, OnePlus 18 is a good choice. 18? I don't know. If the OnePlus 18 comes out next year, it's definitely getting fun of the year. I would... I want to go with the OnePlus 2. I mean, you can. You can if you want. I could. I'll do that. I think they're going to fix the camera. They're not going to make it good, but they're going to make it not trash. They should partner with a really good camera company. Like Hasselblad? Oops. Ripped. Whoops. Yeah. They already got rid of that.

2:13:23One plus 18. 16. You guys want to make predictions on fun of the year? I'm going iPhone Fold. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. You guys think first generation Folds? It's going to be$2 ,000. I think it's going to be hard to give because we now know what a good fold is kind of supposed to be. A trifold. You know what could win? The trifold. It's not going to happen but if the iPhone Air adds a silicon carbon battery and a second camera. No way. I think it'll add the second camera. If it had the silicon carbon battery that'd be so crazy. It's not going to do it but that would be pretty nice. It would be. You would lose two points on this.

2:13:59That's too much innovation in one year. Yeah. Takes time. They have to keep selling stuff. I do think the next regular generation iPhone, or maybe the Pro 2, is going to be an absolute banger. I think with everything going into the fold and now the Air, I think they're going to do a pretty big... What do you think... I mean, this year was already a banger. Yeah, I was going to say the reason it... You think they're going to do it... One. Like, two exit next year? The reason it won this year was because it was so much better than last year. That's the reason it won. Yeah. They finally did the things.

2:14:30So I don't think it's going to win twice. That's a good point. Yeah. Well, then the Vertu. it's the most expensive one no it's the cheapest try and buy a personal assist 24 7 assistant as long as they're not sleeping for five thousand dollars the books palma the books palma pro 2 cool next three three what do you think google is going to add to its graveyard this year they're gonna add something there's no question they're gonna kill something what are they going to kill they're going to kill AI overview kill AI overview have they officially killed Google Assistant yet that's a really good I would say yes my Google Assistant is acting like it's on its deathbed well do you have a Google Home yeah that thing has it switched to Gemini yet no but it is all of mine now hurting so my Google Home app is updated and all of my Google Homes have switched to the new Gemini Assistant so Gemini so now I think it's time for them to fully officially sunset google assistant i think that's a really good pick i think it's probably already officially sunset i'm not sure i don't think it is quite yet um let me just google killed by google man my google is can we talk about real quick now i'm pissed because i said ai assistant can we talk about how at lunch today we we all spent time just trying to google stuff and it took us 10 minutes to google a basic fact because everyone's ai overview kept spitting out a different thing and we kept being like well i don't know if that's right my ai overview says 79 my ai overview says 45 even though we're all googling the same thing i hate this feature so much can i i forgot to say this before but ellis you specifically will like this yeah okay so over the break i was trying to do something in notion so i thought it's notion let me use the notion ai chat because it's just something I can't figure out how to do.

2:16:22So anyways, half an hour of this thing just gaslighting me into like, these are the buttons to press. This is what you need to do. This is the menu you need to go to. This is the database. Every time it told me to do something was not a thing that existed. And then I just give up. And I said, so this is the first conversation we've had and it resulted in no help. So if I've tried Notion AI one time and it's given me zero helpful results what would the baseball batting percentage be of your helpfulness he said if you're defining helpful as got the results you wanted then zero helpful results out of one attempt baseball batting average equals hits divided by at bats equals zero divided by one which equals 0.000 which is zero percent and i said do you think this belongs in the big leagues by zero and it said not based on what just happened and i said enjoy the minors pal and it said fair in the car this morning david and i were just talking about how like we're all gonna feel so silly in like 10 years when we look back and think wow we really thought they were going to be able to do everything like everything from like cook a meatball parmesan to to invent a cancer drug this is this specifically made me mad and i tried a google ai in google docs also those are like you are the ai based on the product that i'm using i feel like you should be able to tell me the things the product can do no nope no so sorry i'm going they kill notebook lm oh really and they kill they put a dedicated app out for it yeah that's the end of that now think about how much revenue notebook lm generates in the form of podcasts no insane amounts of data that people are just handing over to google if people actually use it the way oh that's a good book the way that notebook lm people on reddit talk about it is like i uploaded like my entire ios notes app that's been there for 10 years oh i uploaded like my entire 50 000 email inbox like like people are uploading crazy swaths of their data to notebook lm do you know how open ai was getting in trouble for they like uploaded all those books yeah is notebook lm just the way to get all the users to upload all the copyrighted materials so that they could just listen to it as a podcast and then that also is not because that yeah that wow i know like people are doing it for like textbooks and lectures and stuff like that is that just like hey feed me i mean i i don't know exactly what google lets themselves train on what they don't but it would be my guess that notebook lm is like amazingly valuable for them 28 minutes ago open ai launches chat gpt health encouraging users to connect their medical records i wasn't supposed to be giving my medical records to the owner chat gpt oh no um waveform after dark i think they're going to kill project starline that's that'd be really because Because we kept it alive for one more year with our video.

2:19:27And I think Google's now like, yeah, never mind. I'm worried anything I say, Google will be like, oh, we meant to kill that like two years ago. And now I remember. All right, we've been paying five engineers to 100 ,000. Is this the year keep actually goes down? No. No. I'm sticking with Google Assistant. It's also crazy. If you look at killedbygoogle.com, however long you think that list is, it's so much longer. It's 299 products. It's so much longer. What's the most recent one? Dark web reports. Yeah. Jamboard Chromecast is dead. Holy cow. They also, Netflix killed the Chromecast this up and over the holiday break.

2:20:02You can no longer cast to Netflix anymore. Damn. Yeah. Anyway, yeah, I'm going to say Starline. Probably Starline. I want to guess like something, like a YouTube feature. YouTube.

2:20:22they're gonna kill youtube search please kill youtube shorts part of me thinks they're gonna kill like oh oh the the hype thing that that'll be gone by the end of the year that's going yeah youtube hype that'll be gone by the end of the year i don't think they're gonna keep voice comments around i think they'll be funny for like a few months and then that's a test it's a really good get the good one yeah i like the idea i like the idea of at lunch eric was talking about just leaving comment voice comments on the bottom of videos that's just screaming so it's just like oh that was a funny video nice all right one or two more two yeah all right will there be a black pro iphone this year black absolutely yes there has to be i think so there has to be a plaque a black are you pleading or are you making a prediction?

2:21:11Both. What if they call it like space dark matter but it's still not black. It's whatever we consider black. I think we give it to Tim and if Tim says it's black. Well like space gray is the black phone. Dark neutral. I think Marquez's can I shoot a reflective surface with this and see the phone is like the. I don't mean like the piano black. Which I mean the blue one. Yeah. Yeah, because the blue one's blue. That's midnight blue. It's a blue phone. It's blue. Like, space gray, it's black, whatever. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Like, are we getting another one of those? Space gray is not black. Space gray is not black.

2:21:47But I would consider that a success. Yeah. You know? It's 18 % gray. You think that's black? Yeah. That's black because it's not a color. I don't agree with... It's not reflecting any color. I'm not talking about 50 shades of gray here. I'm saying, is there color or not? Wait, so is white black? I'm going to say they will have a black phone because it seems to me that he's saying pro pro pro. Yeah, because it seems to me that every the tick tock cycle for them is like new phone fun, like kind of colorful, interesting. And then the next year they're like hardcore scary. And then they go back into the fun, interesting and then hardcore scary.

2:22:32And they kind of do that. Yeah. So I'm going to say yes. I also think they made a whole bunch of changes with the new Pro iPhone this year visually. This is my very scientific analysis. Next year, they're not going to redesign the Pro iPhone. But they still want you to have a way to be able to tell that you're holding the new iPhone. So it will not come in orange or it will at least come in some new colors that you can hold up and be like, this is the new Pro iPhone. And black is one of them. There was a black titanium iPhone, right? Yeah. 15. I think it needs like I don't know some of those space grays are just not black to me where this is okay space gray whatever okay space gray yeah just the black one doesn't count yeah some dark neutral yes we're getting one I'm saying it's happening okay I'm still gonna say no midnight doesn't count no it's blue no because it's midnight blue and when you look at it that's like a dark blue phone yeah I think midnight's been the closest to black yeah I don't know why it's definitely been the closest the barometer doesn't bother me because if it's blue I don't want it last one make it the hardest one will we hit a million subscribers I wish thanks for 500 ,000 we wanted to do it by end end of the year you can unfortunately no longer hype us that's why it'll die that's why my prediction is going to be correct we're unhypeable now I have a bunch of more predictions about iPhone collapse I think the pro folding iPhone is only going to be black or white I think the colors will change for the new base iPhone and they will get rid of the fun green we all like I think there's going to be a dark neutral pro iPhone color I think the Air is going to come in a new color They're going to add a color for the second Air I think they're going to bring back the teal from the 16 That'd be nice There's a couple older colors that were universally liked that they could bring back The 12 series purple and the 16 series teal are just 12 series blue as well or pro blue can i make a bold prediction for air color yeah rose gold oh i like it it makes so much sense on the air yeah yeah and maybe on the fold maybe i could see i think fold's gonna be one color black you think it's gonna be black yeah it's either just black space or just maybe like basically space gray yeah i think it's gonna be one color i had the white and gold iphone 4s that was my first phone and i and i got it and i thought it was so funny to have a gold phone that i just started buying everything in my life in gold and it culminated i just thought it was like it culminated with my freshman year like dorm sheets and bed being gold oh whoa i just thought it was so funny to be like the gold guy That's crazy.

2:25:20I don't know why that's so funny. It's really funny, right? It's really tacky. The Rivian R2 is supposed to come out in 2026. It is. Do you think it's going to come out? I do. I think it will come out in 2026. For the sake of my reservation, I believe. You're in an R2, not an R3? An R2, yeah. I think R2 will get more orders than R3. Really? Yeah. More popular category. I agree. But the R3 is so cool. The R3 is supposed to be cheaper and supposed to be way more fun, but the R2 as a category is just higher volume. But the R3X will be the best one. It will be the best one. Yeah. Looks like a Subaru.

2:26:00Okay. All right. Yeah, that was it. I think we did it. That was it. We did it. Time to get zero points on trivia. Let's go. Here we go. Wait, wait, wait. We need the marker. I have one. You have one. I have one. I might just need to share. Pad phone or phone pad? I'm thinking so hard about this. Pad tie. Guys, which one? Pad see you. which one is a phablet which one specifically is an 8 inch phablet which is a phone which one is an 8 inch phablet does not have a dock no keyboard just a straight phablet the phone pad or the pad phone and remember no no don't say that part I think I got this right I think I know what you're gonna say you don't know what I'm gonna say phone No, that's what I was gonna say.

2:26:46Phone in both of these cases is not spelled with a PH. It's exactly what I was gonna say, and I was ready to make fun of both of them for it. You a**hole. Ellis, we are on the same plane. We have worked together for so long. I thought you were afraid. Believe in me. I didn't know. I thought you were gonna say. I know he just erased it, too. I definitely did. And he has it still. Wait, was I supposed to switch them? I mean, I don't think it's gonna care anymore, but... Marquez, what did you put? I had my technicality. I wrote phone pad. Phone pad is correct. God, do you got that? You know, we had it on the bingo that Ellis accidentally says the answer out loud before the question.

2:27:27That is huge for me. The phone pad is a phablet that, also, guys, we didn't acknowledge it. A six-inch phablet is hilarious, right? Wow. Yeah. I thought you said, oh. It came in six or eight. Eight. inches. It is crazy. With a number in between that I, you know. Yeah, that's fine. It comes in an eight. So it's phone pad? With an F. With an F. So Marquez changed his. I could have at least had all of us at zero points. Not zero. We didn't finish the last season. Well, for this round. It's just been so long since I got in points. Can I break in here? What did David and Andrew put? Pad phone. He put the same thing as I did.

2:28:08Oh, yeah. Okay, so you both got it wrong. Yes. Cool. So then, quick update on the score after that correct answer. Marquez with 11. Andrew with 14 and David also with 11. Look at that. It means so much to me that I got a point that you guys didn't get. I want it taken away. 11 club. 11 club. 11, 11. Make a wish. I bet you wish for 14 points. There's two points up for grabs. I could get really close here. I'm not going to. I'm not going to. I just got. But I could. Someone call the ambulance. All right. After that third degree burn. Wait, hold on. Why would the pad phone not be a phone? That is unreasonable.

2:28:51Just think about how you would name a product. If you were making a tablet, you'd end it with pad. And if you're making a phone, you'd end it with phone. Yeah. So the phone pad is the tablet. Yeah. The big, big screen. And the pad phone is a phone that plugged into a thing to become a tablet. Didn't I say pad phone? No, you said phone pad. No, phone pad is the correct answer. Oh, yeah, you said pad phone. I said pad phone. Oh, you said pad phone. Right. Because think about it. It's like I want a tablet. Your whole explanation proved us right. I'm getting it. You got it right. Wait a second. But yeah.

2:29:22Think about how you wish you were. Everything I said, but the other way. Wait, if you're padding the phone, who's driving the car? This isn't something that only Pegatron would do. Yeah. That's true. So true, bestie. Okay. We spoke about Lego, the most expensive set that you can currently buy on the website at time of recording is what? And also, how much is that thing? Two points potentially up for grabs. We didn't use the trivia question Mariah gave us at the break. Oh, that is a good one. Okay, maybe we can do a... If you get a third... You can get one right and one wrong, right? Yes. Yeah, I got it.

2:30:00Are we doing closest without going over? Yeah, closest without going over. Okay. Price is right. Hopefully. Flip him and read What do you got? Oh Interesting I'll start I want the cheapest I said it's the Death Star Correct Oh sweet It's the Death Star Oh wow And I thought it was$5.99 $5.99 Sorry$5.49 I wrote$5.49 $5.49 Yeah I can't see the board Can I get confirmation on that? Yeah Alright I mean it's big It's a bad board I'm still lower Okay, Andrew, what'd you say? I wrote$7.99 at Hogwarts Castle. Ooh, no, unfortunately. Okay, David. I said$9.99. $9.99. And I said Imperial Star Destroyer, which used to be the most expensive set when I was a kid, but I should have assumed it was$9.99.

2:30:53Well, you still get one point for$9.99. That is exactly the price. Go. It was$9.99 and it is a Death Star. I was so scared of... The one I was talking about was there's some new, not a new Lord of the Rings battle, but what battle is that? The Battle of Mog's Deep? Is it? It's whatever the one they do in that big castle, not castle, it's like the walls that they go up all the white walls. You ever watch Lord of the Rings? Isn't there like a shit in these Lord of the Rings? There's only three. There's three, but there's like extended cuts that it's like 2 ,800 hours. I've seen the first one. Four hours.

2:31:32How much was this, Ellis? Battle of Manas Tirith. What the heck is that? Bless you. You would know it. How would this not cost more than the Death Star? How many minifigures? How does the Lego set of this not have been more expensive? How many minifigures does that come with? The price I saw is from a leak, actually. Oh, okay. So it's not, we don't know. But yeah. Should we do the bonus question? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I want it. What the f***? This actually... How should I frame? Let me think about this. All the Lego Star Wars ones have really cool interiors that you can do. I've got it.

2:32:16We weren't originally going to ask this question this week, but it actually does pertain because we've mentioned a lot of companies on this episode. Sure has. A lot of businesses. Seattle Ultrasonics. The Seattle Ultrasonic knife. That's it. it's the Seattle Ultrasonics you win is that their football team? the Supersonics is the now defunct NBA team that no longer plays there killed by Google but one of the companies we mentioned this week on the podcast is the world's largest tire producer by volume they make more tires than any other company on the planet we've talked about this what company is it?

2:33:03I gave it away. Damn it. I want it to gain on Andrew. That would have been really fun. I don't know enough about cars. It's actually better. Really? Maybe. Maybe. Then I'm wrong. Then I'm wrong. Marquez is giving nothing away. Yeah. I mean, there were a lot of Apple car prototypes. That's true. Samsung used to have a car. I'm so sorry, David. You're going to be so mad when you see the answer to this. Is it Google? No. It's your boy, Lego. Nope. That's gotta be. It's Seattle Ultrasound. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. It is Lego. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. It's Lego. That can't be considered a real tire.

2:33:47So, yeah, it's a tire. It's a tire and a wheel. This is because we were having this conversation. Do you think there's more doors? I was literally about to bring that up. Or wheels. And that's a huge factor. It's literally Lego. We are like three hours of recording, and you're bringing up the doors versus wheel argument. I thought this was going to be a hard one to fact check, but it's like literally not even close how many more tires. Are they really considered tires? They're made of rubber. Yeah. Do they have air in them? No. Well, a little bit. There's airless tires. They're not pressurized, but they have air in them.

2:34:19The airless basketball is still a basketball. Yeah. No, there's a lot of wheels. Boneless. Actually, I'm not going to go. Boneless chicken wings. How do they get the bones out of the chicken? They suck it out? You don't want to know. That's a perfect place to end this podcast. Actually, the machine they use is made by Seattle Ultrasonics. It like vibrates the bones out of the meat. It's a good thing we don't take two weeks off every two weeks because we would have way too much to talk about. But hey, thanks for sticking with us this week. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Thanks for subscribing and getting us past 500K.

2:34:51It's Onward to a Million. This is the year we do it. Catch you guys on the other side. Peace. Wayform was produced by Adam Alina and Ellis River and partner with Vox Media Podcast Network and a track of music was created by Vane Silk. bingo let's go

2:35:10all right how long is that 45 minutes 57 was it actually that was the episode you know what's crazy i deleted like 60 of the stuff i wrote about pickle