Did Apple Actually Duo It?

13:02David Imel:I think my reason for that is I think everyone likes the Whoop because the metrics were different. Now everyone's copying it. I think more people are going to keep screen on their wrist now because they get the benefits of that with notifications and everything. I did think about that. And they get all the new metrics. And I also think an ultra marathon's the number one time you want a screen on your wrist. because you want all that stuff up to date. That's why Garmin dominates ultramarathon runners because you have a huge battery life with constant information feeding to you and you do not carry a phone with you.

13:30Marques Brownlee:You know what I did think about that, which is last year, it was so easy for me to leave the Apple Watch because there was no black one.

13:37David Imel:There was only dark blue,

13:41Marques Brownlee:which is, Series 11 is fine. It's a very nice watch. And I didn't want to wear the Ultra. So it was like, they didn't have a black one. It's like, you know what? I could leave the Apple Watch. Now they have a Series 12 and it has all these new features and it has one more data and there's a black one. And so I do see her playing Android feature. Do you miss having a screen? I don't. I don't miss having a screen. Yeah, I think a lot of people are like, oh my god, I can get all this without the annoyance of having a screen on my wrist.

14:05David Imel:I think you guys are in a bubble too much. No, man. No, I don't miss a screen. People ask me about the Fitbit Air all the time. I don't think people want to be in another one. I think because no one wants the Pixel watch. I think you guys are all thinking of these watches that no one really wants, but the Apple Watch is the most popular watch in the world. I mean, yeah.

14:21Marques Brownlee:Because watch is one category and it's enormous. And this smaller but growing category of not a watch but a fitness tracker, the debate is how big is this category? Is it big enough to warrant Apple's attention to make something? All right, well, neither of us. So what's the bet?

14:36David Imel:How many years until this comes out? Okay, max two. Max two? But I do think it's going to come out in a year. I don't think this comes out in two years. I think the iPhone, Apple, watch it out. No, it's not coming out ever. What would a screenless Apple Watch even be? Like the whole thing about the Apple Watch is that. Well, it wouldn't be an Apple Watch. The amount of what they put into their bands is crazy. I know, but like. I'm not saying they wouldn't make a good one. I'm just saying I don't think they're making it. Imagine you could just wear an Apple Watch bracelet and it just has the tracking.

15:01But don't all the screenless ones already plug into Apple Health? Like genuinely, what would be the offering there? Apple would have to find a way to make theirs

15:11Marques Brownlee:plug into the ecosystem better than everyone else's. And you're right. A lot of these do dump the data into Apple Health already, which is a great point. And I wonder what Apple, if they were to jump in, I don't think there's any way they do it without finding something to add to theirs that no one else can do.

15:25David Imel:I would argue everything they launched at this event is they're like, cool, stop buying that with your Apple Watch. You have it all on your Apple Watch now. There's no point of you getting a screen. I agree with that, but I do think those are more targeted at the AI wearables that are going to come out. Okay, let's talk about that. Let's get to that. Wait, wait, wait, what's the bet? Yeah, I just wanted the bet to end. Two years, what are we doing? A year from now. A year. They're going to launch it at the iPhone 19. All right. What's the stakes? I don't know. Embarrass me somehow. No, we have to print out a full-size picture of the other person's face and put it on your laptop for a year.

15:59David Imel:A year? A year? I love that.

16:01Marques Brownlee:I think you have to drive to work for a week with a full-size cardboard cutout of the other person in your car.

16:06David Imel:That's just to get by. Are you buying the cutout? Yeah. Okay, deal. Look, if it makes the people who pass me on the highway think I have more friends than I do, then that's a win for me. All right, perfect. We'll do that. Lane is going to hate that. I'll do that or be very scared, but be prepared to have a full-size David in your car all the time.

16:21Marques Brownlee:This is my other, and I'm not going to say it's a conspiracy theory, but the more I listen to Apple talk about this watch, these watches, and specifically the new features that they added, which are sort of tied into the AI and software, the more I couldn't stop thinking about what we're expecting to come in this standalone AI device race. So for those who don't know, the Series 12 watch and the Series or the Ultra 4 have these new features where Siri taps into the S11 chip to essentially, and this is going to be an oversimplification, but constantly be listening for conversations or words to be said in the Apple Watch's microphone.

17:03Marques Brownlee:and at any point to summarize that for you in the Siri app. There's two features. There's one that's called Live Rewind, which is something just happened and I want a summary of the last 15 seconds. I hit a button on the watch and because it's always processing data, it takes that raw 15 seconds of audio, processes it in the secure exclave, doesn't ever go to the cloud or leave your device unencrypted, but gives you a transcription or a summary of what you were just listening to. It's gonna be hard to explain to the public without saying your watch is constantly listening to you, they're going to try, but that's one of the features.

17:37David Imel:I know you like the other one more, but that demo to me felt so much like the, what kind of dog is this, where you're taking the picture of the dog and the person standing right there. Like, please read me the specials again while the waiter's standing right here. That was the example. Hey, I missed that. Andrew, in our briefing about this, multiple people were like, why wouldn't you just say, can you say that again? And they were like, you know, I don't know. 15 seconds just seems too short. Like, the person's still there. you can just clarify. Okay. Apple is clearly very, very, very nervous about these features.

18:07They are both put under the audio intelligence umbrella, which is a new thing they're doing because they already have visual intelligence, smart branding, but they are so nervous because this is the thing that public's going to freak out the most at. It's opt on. It's opt in. It's going to be in beta. It's like every question we would ask, they were like, we're not really sure. And so give us feedback when you use it and we'll see, will maybe adapt the way it works. So they are just they are like they're stepping on coals right now. They're being very very careful. So that's just

18:39David Imel:want to say there's a giant blowback already with metaglasses. Having every watch in the world potentially recording people is gonna make a lot of people a lot. I think very nervous. Metaglasses are videos and used it people are wearing them in like bathrooms and stuff. That's way weirder than a private conversation. Listen I'm not saying this is fantastic and I agree with David that This is a very Apple. Apple knows privacy is their thing. They know they're trying to tiptoe on this and make it as safe as possible. But yes, I think. I'm sorry, Andrew.

19:07Marques Brownlee:Can you say that one more time? As you hold up your wrist. Just real quick, the other feature is that if you have it enabled during the day, in a separate new tab in the Siri app, there is a recap button, which will show you all day a sort of a summary of some transcriptions and important things you may want to remember from your day. And once again, These are very difficult features to market without essentially saying your watch is always listening to you for your convenience. Because it is. So that being said, I hear all of this. And then you think about what are these rumors we've all been seeing about like, oh, OpenAI is going to come out with some piece of hardware.

19:47Marques Brownlee:And their angle is going to be something where essentially it's listening to you all the time to deliver some feedback or some value to you with AI processing that information. that is at least looming on the horizon and I think Apple with all of these features in the watch has decided that this is their way of offering the equivalent of that before the open AI device comes out and trying their best with the privacy angle of okay with the S11 chip and the secure exclave and the encryption and all of the way that we're processing it I need to get like an exact explanation of how this feature actually works and how they explain it to the public just to see how it lines up.

20:25Marques Brownlee:But that's the other theory, which is like the Apple Watches are specifically, like there are teams of people working on these products and there's definitely a group in a room that's like, we kill Whoop with this. And then there's definitely also a group in a room that's like, we get ahead of OpenAI's new thing with this.

20:43David Imel:We pass it away.

20:45Marques Brownlee:So it is fascinating to see them like nervously go, I guess we have to do this with the watch. And here it is. They made a big deal about the privacy stuff, but a lot of it is like very hard to explain to the public and even to me. Because I still don't really understand. I got texts from people that were like, I don't like that feature. Wow. Yeah. Just straight up. That's the one thing they didn't like. They say Apple does not create or store audio recordings, which I guess. What is a recording? What is a recording? Yeah. This is literally what is a photo because it is taking. When we asked them about this, we're like, how do you do that?

21:22They're like, oh, we're looking for signals. And I was like, yeah, words are signals, bro. Like, I don't really understand. They're kind of reworking the way that this is explained to people.

21:33Marques Brownlee:I almost want to try to explain it now, but I almost know I'm going to get part of it wrong. But it's like there are always sounds happening and feeding into the microphone. Kind of the same way your Google Home sits on your desk at home and isn't technically always recording or the way your Pixel sits on your desk and isn't always listening all the time. But when either a song starts playing or you say, hey, the magic, hey, G words, the technology is good enough to, without recording you all the time, understand that that is a trigger to start recording. No, but David is right, though, because it is recording.

22:08It is. It's unprocessed. There's a memory buffer being filled. Yes. I think this is the technicality is it's the memory buffer. Yes. They're like, it's not stored, but it's put in RAM, and then we dump it out of RAM.

22:20Marques Brownlee:When you ask for it, or when it identifies a signal in it. RAM is storage, and storage is RAM, basically. Which is true. That's why they have to explain it very carefully.

22:29David Imel:Also, every example you just gave, no one believes. Everyone thinks my phone is listening to me all the time. We do hear that a lot. Google is listening to me all the time. So we're just in the stage where we kind of assume if it has an on button, it's listening to us. I don't know. I'm thinking about this more because we do know that a lot of those devices are. Like there have been enough like leaks of data centers like, oh, recordings of people's homes have come out. But maybe there is a wacky, wacky world where none of this audio is getting written to a buffer. It's getting passed through an A to D converter and every bit is getting analyzed in real time and then dumped.

23:03That's what they say is happening.

23:05David Imel:My thought was just it's not starting audio recordings. It's just transcribing every time it hears words. And now I have a transcription of things. Does that count as an audio storage? I don't think you can do a transcription without filling a buffer. I think that needs to go backwards and forwards. I mean, yeah, they have to process data in order to... It has to be processed if it's giving you a daily brief at the end of the day. They gave a lot of credit. They need to understand what you were saying.

23:27Marques Brownlee:They gave a lot of credit to the S11 chip in their explanations of it, specifically in these watches, which is that there is this new part of the chip which does a lot of this processing that doesn't touch the other parts of the chip or the other memory of the system, never goes to your phone, et cetera. So that's what I want to dig into and trying to understand how this all works. I will say if there's any company that the general public might trust to pull this off, it's maybe Apple. Which is why they can't mess it up. Which is why it's important that they explain it clearly. Yeah, which is why they call it a secure exclave too.

23:59That's like the whole reason it's an exclave and not an enclave because it's like separated from the rest of the chip.

24:04Marques Brownlee:Yeah. And they have like an always on processor going on. They also made a big deal about the fact that you can never access the raw data. like there is no way to access like the sound data that is happening either from a third party from apple themselves etc there are no speaker labels so like when you get those transcriptions and stuff they don't want you to be able to be like oh andrew said that or david said that and that's i think a big deal because people like again it's not only the person that's wearing the watch that has to be nervous it's everyone around you like when you see metaglasses and you're like oh god apple doesn't want a situation where people see an apple watch and they're like I can't say that would be worst case that would be worst case it's also ended and encrypted the other thing is they said you can set it up so that it only goes during certain times of the day or during certain focus mode that was the most confusing to me because if I remember correctly in the event they

24:55David Imel:said something like you control when it's on which to me immediately says record stop which there is yeah and that's that's like a plod a meeting notes It's kind of like AI device thing of like, let's do this conversation. Plot's the first one you went to? Well, probably because they've sponsored the podcast before. Disclosure. But then it was like, oh, or maybe you just don't want it running at night. I was like, hold on. That's a very different thing. So this means it's running. And now you set up when you don't want it running. Recording, running. I think this is good, though, because now we can definitively know there's no ghosts.

25:33We're right on the edge. It's running all night. Paranormal activity could have never been made.

25:39Marques Brownlee:Can you imagine waking up and seeing like an AI summary that's like ghosts were having conversations? That's what I'm saying. Now we'll know. Also, quick correction. I sleep talk every night. The most Apple way possible, the secure Enclave was actually part of M4 and A18. But this is an Exclave. Sorry, Exclave. I misspoke. But I think they just declined to mention it until this generation. I'm trying to do that. I know they have a new part of the processor that is separate from the rest of the chip. Totally, but I think they've been doing this processing on a separate part of the chip since M4 and A18.

26:12I'm trying to find the exact confirmation, but when you Google around Apple Xclave, there's articles a year and a half old about it. Okay. Interesting, yeah. Well, this is all under the audio intelligence umbrella. Yes. So they are going to be walking very slowly, testing this stuff. It's opt-in. You can decide when to have it on. I do think that having it on in certain focus modes is kind of a cool idea. And again, this is a direct shot at all the dedicated AI hardware. And I think that there's a lot of things throughout this event and we'll get to more of it.

26:41Marques Brownlee:The first 20 minutes. The first 20 minutes where it felt like John Ternus was just like, yeah, you guys could go do your fun little thing. Like he talked, okay, he talked about the phone. He said that the phone was something else. What did he call it? Your intelligent personal hub. That's what he called it. And I completely agree with that because I've always called my phone David's PDA because, you know, you name your phone because phones are not just phones. They're they're everything now. Right. So, yeah, his point was like all that we have a bunch of computers all over your body and they can do everything that this dedicated AI hardware can do.

27:16So why would you ever buy that? And I feel like to your point, Marquez, of getting ahead of open AI, he's just trying to plant that in people's heads. You don't need dedicated hardware.

27:24Marques Brownlee:And I tend to think he's right. I do. Like this is what happened when I reviewed the Humane pin, which is, and we talk about Humane all the time, but their fatal flaw slash decision they had to make was, do we want this product to live alone without ever having to talk to your phone? Because one, we know we're not Apple and we cannot talk to the phone the same way Apple accessories can. And two, if we want this product to be used all the time and to collect all the information and whatever, we want the user to wear it all day and have it actually be useful. we need it to be with them even when their phone's not with them and useful even when their phone's not with them.

28:01Marques Brownlee:And so it has to live separate from the phone. As soon as it lives separate from the phone it loses all the context of the phone. It doesn't know any of your contacts it doesn't know any of your history it doesn't know any of your information and it has to do all of that and that was where it was doomed and that's why my conclusion and a lot of other people were like oh yeah smartphones are still pretty great and they are a better starting point for whatever AI assistance you want in your life.

28:25David Imel:two things one I think humane had like 17 fatal flaws let's not just say it's one thing but I do

28:30Marques Brownlee:think that was like one of the only thing fundamental ones yeah and yeah it's everyone

28:35David Imel:keeps talking about dedicated we're gonna get this dedicated AI thing Apple's like we're on every single person in the US pretty much already we can just add this stuff to it and you're wearing it and the entire the only thing that makes all of this new wave of AI stuff work is context and every single piece of digital context that goes through your life goes through your freaking already on your phone you can't just do that with a new piece of hardware like you'd have to fully commit every single service in your life to going through this new piece of hardware which no one can do and carry it with you all carry with you all the time like opening eyes supposedly allegedly making a speaker that you're supposed to carry around with you like come on guys it's Bluetooth speaker that you carry around with you?

29:17Anyway. Wi-Fi speaker, David. Wi-Fi speaker. Okay. I want to just really quickly mention the actual physical new changes to the watches before we move on. Ceramic. So, Series 12, there's new ceramic, which Brandon is super happy about. So is Rich. So is Rich, yeah. Sort of. Which is very happy about. They have a pearl white version and a night blue version. They're much more expensive. They're$8.99. Yep. As opposed to the$3.99 of the aluminum. There's also two new natural options for the aluminum, which is like a natural gold and a one that's just called natural. It's radiant gold and one's just called natural.

29:54Those are$300 more than the regular one, which is, they're all kind of expensive.

29:59David Imel:Wait, the ceramic's more expensive than the Ultra 4? Yeah. No, it's the same. Oh, yeah, it is. It's$100 more than the base, yeah. So that's kind of crazy. I don't know. Whatever.

30:08Marques Brownlee:They're doing the thing where they offer a whole bunch of prices, is a whole bunch of colors and finishes, and you just kind of pick which one you like. We saw a band for the watch Ultra that was titanium. It's an Hermes titanium band. It was$2 ,200 for the band. That happens every year. That's it? You can get in there deep with those watch bands, man.

30:28David Imel:Okay, Ultra 4. Wait, real quick, just on Series 12. Yes. Rich noticed very specifically that it seems like the crown is almost like offset in all the stuff they showed on it. Did you guys notice that at all? Offset in what way? It's always like sitting flush right across the... I'm doing hand gestures on a podcast. But like you could almost see the gap in between it. There was a gap between the bottom of the crown and the wall of the watch in the renders that they had in the end. We'll have to look at that when we get to that. It's so minuscule. It was not a large gap, but the crown was not flush against the body of the watch.

30:59David Imel:It's one of those things where you see this for 12 generations. You're like, wait a minute, that looks different. I also need to take a look at something I noticed during the hands-on time is it seemed like the bezels were slightly bigger, but I think what I was doing research on this and what it actually seemed like was that they made the body slightly larger of the of the. And so the bezels feel bigger compared to the display. But I do think it's notable that the new Apple Watch wallpaper that like built in wallpaper is just a black OLED screen with like a few pieces of information. And it seems like every time they do that, it's to hide the bezel size.

31:32So we'll check that out when we actually get it. But I'll check it out. You know, I'm not too worried. I'm not too worried. but okay ultra four uh same 800 price it has a larger battery now they say over two days of battery life which i think is a big deal for them and uh specifically aimed at garmin and a couple of these other companies they now have a max extended workout mode which gives you 45 hours of battery life which they said is enough for ultra marathon they hit us with a hundred mile

31:58Marques Brownlee:run yeah they're like this is good enough for running 100 miles which i think is the final boss. I don't think you get any more intense of a long workout than this will last you a hundred mile run. So I think we've done it. I think we've gotten there. And I think this is funny because when they first ultra came out, if you remember, we interviewed, um, hella, hella. Yeah. And he specifically was like, yeah, I have to pass my Apple watch off to my team to charge while I'm running because it won't last a hundred miles. So I feel like this is like directly targeted at those people who have to buy other devices specifically for one task.

32:32Marques Brownlee:Yeah. Which is just, you know, funny and whatever. You can hot swap Apple watches. What? You can? Yeah. Did you know that? Marcus is the only person who knows that in the whole world. I don't. Oh, that's a good point. Probably not during the exercise. You have to probably end the exercise. Yeah. You probably lose like 10 seconds of data. Yeah. Well, yeah. But then you start a new workout and it's like, why is your heart rate 300 BPM? Are you dying? Okay. we have so much left to get to but we really have to take an ad break so let's take a quick break which means we didn't forget it's time of trivia

33:09this is crazy you guys don't know but for some reason the audio for us is like two bit there's like a loose cable somewhere that's like the only explanation and it's hilarious

33:17Marques Brownlee:it sounds like there's someone in the next room playing the sound should I just leave it we'll see I'm so scared of where you're paying attention You guys, here's the thing. You guys were paying attention. I've rewritten this question like three times because my question was just discussed. So way to go. But I do have one. Early on in their event, Apple noted how many Siri requests they get per day. Oh, they did. Did they? Prices. Yes, I do. And I remember when they said it, I was like, are all of those intentional requests? I was doing - Oh, that's a good point. That's such a good point.

33:52David Imel:I was trying to do the math as like, is this only like averaging two people, two requests a day? Whoa. Anyway. How many? Price is right rules. How many times do people query Siri? Is that like the amount of total Siri requests they get? Yes. Not individual people. Total requests they get in a day.

34:09Marques Brownlee:They did say it. They did say it. I was, I just want to tell you, I was paying attention. You can prove it. I just don't remember this number at all. You can prove it. I've written this question so many times because you guys were actually paying amazing attention. My knowledge of the Apple keynote is like in these chunks of like hyper focus and then taking a quick 12 second break to live tweet and write things down and then hyper focusing. That's where I'm scared of the question being because then I'm hyper focusing and I'm like, I know I just heard something interesting 12 seconds ago. I don't have the feature on my watch.

34:41Marques Brownlee:I have no idea what they said. When I was when I was writing the podcast last night, the notes, I went back and like watched the different segments of the keynote and I was like, I don't remember this. Yeah. Yeah, because we're just yeah, we're like taking quick photos, tweeting. We're like taking notes and like you you're not paying as much attention. Our TV turned off halfway. Would it turn back on? Yeah, we had to like emergency switch to a laptop. Also, the TV, we we were so confused because the TV had really bad color accuracy. And so it looked like John Ternus was wearing all black. And then we kept seeing like screenshots or like we'd flip on speed stream and he was wearing a red shirt.

35:17And we were like, is there an outfit change that we have yet to get to? A red shirt. That's wild. Excuse me, a burgundy. Were you burgundy? They missed out. I know we have to go to, I wish they called it Oxblood. I think that was. It's for sure one of the codenames. I don't disagree. That would be amazing. Okay.

35:35Marques Brownlee:Anyway, we'll think about that. Answers will be at the end, like usual. We'll be right back. Oxblood.

35:48Marques Brownlee:All right, welcome back. You've made it this far into the podcast. You deserve iPhone chalk talk. Chalk. I'm going to start that over. I like that. Why? I'll take chalk. All right, chalk. We're talking. No, you deserve the iPhone talk. iPhone 18 Pro, Pro Max, and iPhone Duo. I guess since we're doing an order of most changes, we should save the fold for last. So the 18 Pros. 18 Pros. There's only a few really significant changes, and if you want to even call them significant, like new colors, they always do that. They have the obvious new one, which is oxblood. Yeah, it's like the color of leather, like you stain leather oxblood.

36:26Marques Brownlee:I think it's a good visual for people, but it's also burgundy. It's like deep wine red. So I think that feels like the flagship new color. There's also a glacier, which is like David's pants, maybe lighter than... It's like light blue, sky blue. Silver. Kelvin value is the same as ours. Exactly. Silver and Silver is a little different You're right

36:51David Imel:It's more uniform

36:52Marques Brownlee:The last silver one had the glass cut out For wireless charging and everything was white Now it's just more uniform Closer color match I liked my two-tone iPhone Ellis called it the panda yesterday I was like you don't understand There have been panda phones There's a panda phone I had a panda iPhone 4S when my fingerprint reader went bad and I replaced it with a white one. See, you keep saying Panda, but that's some contrast. We used to have Panda phones. That's true. Like the Pixel 2 was... Back when you were crossing the Oregon Trail. I mean, Pixel 2 days, we were crossing the Oregon Trail, bro.

37:29Yeah, I felt like it. There was a lot going on back then.

37:30Marques Brownlee:You could squeeze your phone back then. That's true. We had a few years before. Anyway, yeah, new gray, silver, but there's also an all matte black phone, and I just got to say, that's the one that's calling my name. A lot of people have been asking me. I'm just spoiling it now. Are you going to get a Fold, Marques? I think I'm going to get a matte black Pro.

37:47David Imel:Damn.

37:47Marques Brownlee:So there's new colors.

37:48David Imel:That's the second time he's mentioned the only thing he cares about.

37:50Marques Brownlee:I just want to make it clear. That's what's selling me. What is it about phone manufacturers this year and making matte black? Because Google did it, too. They are finally listening to me. Because it only took a long time. They tuned in. They're tuned in, yeah. Fair enough. New chip inside. So A20 Pro chip. So, again, we're just getting the Pro phones, no baseline phones. So A20 Pro chip. It's a two nanometer chip now. Speed's favorite feature. I just want to really quick. We didn't mention that Speed was here. Speed was here. The couple clips we saw from the stream were very funny. I appreciate how much effort he put into it.

38:22Marques Brownlee:He's a great example of free will, man. He's so good. He went up to John Ternus, took the phone out of his hand, and did a backflip in the hands-on area. That was amazing. I just want to say it.

38:34David Imel:What Adam's referencing is he's like looking at the fold in the hands-on thing, and he just goes, it's so thin. It's so thin. It's because of the A20 and all the compatible components and C2. And I was like, you are the greatest entertainer ever alive. That's the equivalent of Jimmy Fallon going, it's actually exactly the equivalent. It was even greater because the C2 is a modem, right? No one has ever made a modem entertaining.

39:01Marques Brownlee:I can see that he probably got, anyway, he was doing his best. He was doing his best, yeah. It's like based on the M6 because the M6 was 2 nanometers, so they're using that technology, that process. Six core CPUs, two super cores, and four efficiency cores. What is a super core? It's just a high performance core. They just renamed a high performance core. Oh, this is the cores they renamed. Super core. Seven core GPU, which they say has up to a 40 % performance increase. That is sort of a nebulous idea, like a 40 % GPU performance increase. Do you get more frame rates on games? Do you get higher fidelity?

39:41Marques Brownlee:A lot of these kind of feel like unlabeled graphs. We'll talk about the vapor chamber in a second. And one of the claims was like 50 % more sustained performance.

39:51David Imel:Yeah. Compared to what? What?

39:53Marques Brownlee:Like, what does that actually mean? Yeah, right. We will find out. Is that longer? Is that higher threshold? Whatever. We'll find that out. They had a separate neural, a second neural engine. So now they have 32 cores in their neural engine as opposed to 16. They're clearly trying to get in early with the AI stuff. They're trying to, like we said, they're trying to cut off the knees of everyone at the AI company or shoot an arrow in their knee or something. Where is this metaphor going? It's about Skyrim. Is that a Skyrim? I'm sorry. I got that. I was on Facebook yesterday, and I saw a really cringe Facebook post I made when I was like 14.

40:25That's all of them. And it was about taking an arrow. Do you care to share with the class? It was definitely an arrow in the knee post. It was an arrow in the knee joke. Nice. Which is not funny anymore. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. 50, I don't know. 50 % increase in memory bandwidth. with. And it's a new package. It's a new SOC package. It is actually physically wider than the A19. That doesn't really matter to most people.

40:48Marques Brownlee:They explained it as moving the memory off of the top of the CPU to directly next to the CPU, which obviously we don't think about that as meaning all that much, but that packaging means that they can more directly cool the CPU with that vapor chamber. And it's still being right next door makes it still accessible. I heard a really good analogy yesterday, which is like thinking about these CPUs or these system-on-a-chips as like Manhattan real estate. Every little bit of it is so important. And if you want to move something around or add something, you really have to consider everything around it.

41:22Marques Brownlee:So the die getting a little bit bigger, but also being two nanometer, kind of balanced out the fact that they're moving things around. Which is funny to me, because I remember when they invented stacked memory and they made a big deal about - The RAM is closer to the chip so you can move the data faster, et cetera. And now they separated it again. But I assume that we're like. It's right next door. Yeah, it's right next door. They're neighbors. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, they made a big deal about the better vapor chamber. Last year, if you remember, was the big vapor chamber year. That was like one of the big things about the 17 Pro.

41:52No, no, it was orange too. It was also orange or clementine or whatever. They did also a big deal about the new vapor chamber, which is 3X larger. Three times the surface area. The surface area.

42:04Marques Brownlee:And essentially the entire mid-frame of the phone is thermal, like... Vapor. It's not all vapor chamber, but the whole middle section of the phone is designed to wick heat away from the CPU. Yeah. Which is a lot. Which they say is 40 % better. Again, better is a nebulous term. They showed us some graphs. They actually had a thermal camera in one of our briefings where they showed us the difference in heat dissipation. Yeah. Did look better. but again these are very specific. Very notably the thermal cameras just for context were pointed at the back of the phone which makes sense that's the part you're holding.

42:41Yeah.

42:41Marques Brownlee:So when you point a thermal camera at the back of the phone and see less heat that generally means that the phone that you are holding in your hand feels less warm. Yeah. Which is great. I don't know if the rails are warmer. I don't know if the screen feels warmer. Yeah. But it's great to not hold a warm phone. They did add a new layer to also dissipate heat on the screen though. That's nice. I remember We're seeing that in the briefing as well. The battery life is quoted as being way better. They said that the 18 Pro now has 24 hours of usage. Something I did appreciate. They quoted video playback and then also general usage.

43:13Mixed use. Mixed use, which is good because video playback, as we know, video decoding is now basically the easiest possible thing for a phone to do. And so they can quote 45 hours of video playback on the Pro Max, but they also gave mixed use. So mixed use, 18 Pro is 24 hours of usage. 18 Pro Max is 30. They said that the Pro basically has the same battery life as the Pro Max had last year. That's the thing that most contextualized it for me. That was the best.

43:40David Imel:They also, they didn't just say this was better. They said this is the greatest iPhone battery increase ever. Specifically on the Pro Max. On Pro Max. On the Pro Max. So that's a big deal. It does charge faster. They didn't give us wattage numbers. I'm excited to, you know, attach the little dongle thing that shows the wattage. The screen, yeah. Yeah. Can I ask a question about that? Yes. Not that specifically, the batteries. Yes. Is it silicon carbon? They would not tell us. We asked this specifically, Marques asked. They were like, it's a combination of the A20 chip, it's a combination of the thermal management, and it's a combination of two nanometer, and we also elevated our battery technology.

44:20Yeah.

44:21Marques Brownlee:And I wanted to ask, because Apple famously doesn't give us capacities or any of the numbers, basically. So they're not going to be like, yes, it's 80 watt charging with a 5600 million power battery. They're never going to say that. So we're going to get our hands on them and find out the numbers. But it is generally, I do think the 2 nanometer part is doing some heavy lifting on a lot of what's new with these chips, which is exciting. Yeah. So they said 50 % charge in 15 minutes, which actually seems pretty good. That's pretty good. And they said that across the phones. Like often when it has a larger cell, it charges faster because the 0 to 50 or 0 to 70 is obviously going to be faster than like 70 to 100.

44:58So usually the Pro Max is like a little bit faster, but they just quoted this across both devices, which I found interesting. So maybe they charge it different wattages. That's for battery life. Camera, the big change was the variable aperture, which is on just the main camera. They didn't change the camera sensors at all. so they had to do something else. They did make the aperture on the main camera very slightly wider, which is something.

45:26Marques Brownlee:I'm very interested in how much of a difference this makes because as some of you listening have already started banging into your keyboards, this is not a new feature. We have had variable aperture cameras on smartphone cameras before, as early as the Galaxy S9. This is funny. There's a couple things in this event

45:42David Imel:that have happened already and then we went away from it. Yeah. We'll talk about that later at the Duo. but exactly can you tell real quick you guys got to see yeah um what are in pro controls the four different apertures you can choose from because all we saw was in auto mode it was at 1.8 and then at max it was f4 wow tell me you didn't watch marquez's video i watch marquez's video also doesn't even say it out loud he just shows it i show it we need someone saying i'll give you

46:07Marques Brownlee:all the details yes so he was there in the room when marquez recorded the video right like he literally watch the video. So in Apple's camera app, you can dial between F 1.48, F 1.8, F 2.8, and F 4. Yeah. And I was also told that third party apps will have infinite granular control. They can give a slider. If there was a camera app that wanted to, they could give you a slider for aperture. David just exploded. So I wish it would go higher than F 4 though. Yeah. So Apple, Apple will give us those four. I imagine the infinite slider is between F1.48 and F4. Yeah. That being said, I played with this for a little while with the 18 Pros.

46:48Marques Brownlee:I, you know, it's hard to tell. I didn't get a bunch of sample photos, but like when we first saw this on Samsung's phones like eight years ago or whatever it was, it was like, you want an F1, like a wide open aperture to take like a closeup, like a portrait photo and have a natural fall off. or if you're shooting at night to let the most possible light in. But that's not always ideal when you want a lot in focus. Maybe you're taking a landscape shot. Maybe there's a ton of light and you just want to stop down so it's sharper and you don't have to have a 10 ,000 shutter speed or whatever. So that made sense intuitively, but then we shot with them and it didn't make that much of a difference.

47:22Marques Brownlee:Yeah. We fast forward now to 2026. These are bigger sensors. These are more advanced phone cameras. So I'm curious if I'll actually notice that F1.48 on this iPhone sensor wide open will actually give me like a natural fall off, which is actually wider than the previous iPhone. And then if F4 on some landscape shot or some high brightness shot that I don't need it to be wide open, it will actually look sharper. I want to try. So they brought us into a room. Marques and I were in this jazz bar set. I don't know why. Insane briefing. Yeah, it was a crazy brief. They brought us into this jazz bar set.

47:56They give us mocktails and then they like put, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, they were really trying to set the scene. Yeah, it was crazy. And then they had like three jazz musicians playing. I did. Oh, to take photos of. To take photos. Okay. Yeah. So I did test the aperture all the way open and all the way closed with the mocktail in the foreground and the musicians in the background. There is a noticeable difference. In the fall off? In the depth of field. Okay. Did you get to look at like, is the ISO lower? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or like noticeably faster shutter speed maybe? Yes, yeah. It does dynamically change that information.

48:31I don't really care I I think that like what's interesting about smartphone cameras for a long time was like everything was always in focus and that was the biggest difference between a smartphone camera and a real camera was depth of field basically automatically told you whether something was a professional camera or not eventually these sensors got bigger and bigger and now we have some it still has sort of that you know it has that like that look where it looks a little bit plasticky fringy fringy weird stuff so now yeah you can do this my my take on why they did this is one they needed something to change two they know that the can't that the sensors are going to get bigger and bigger and when i look at whenever we reviewed like the sony phones with the 1.0 type sensors sony did not optimize those well like either they're blown out or there's so much depth of field that nothing's in focus because it's just like really really narrow and I think Apple is just trying to get ahead of that and kind of like prepare for a world where that's the case.

49:28That's valid.

49:29Marques Brownlee:I think that this, yeah, I think this variable aperture would make a, would make the biggest difference on the biggest sensor. Yes. So like if we had the 1.0 type sensor, when we take like a, I take a lot of like, in my testing anyway, like closeups of like things in my hand or like right in front of me just to see what the fall off is like and I'll take a photo and part of the object I'm taking a picture of will be slightly out of focus, which is annoying. It looks worse. And I think if you stop down that photo to f4, it looks much better. So I don't know. Honestly, the biggest difference I saw was like the point lights, the little point lights.

50:05Marques Brownlee:When I changed the aperture, it would change to a different number of points on the star.

50:09David Imel:Yeah, so there are... I was just saying, we were talking about this last night. It feels so similar to S8 and S9 where the phones are exactly the same and they're just like, we need to change something. Variable aperture. This is the iPhone 17 with some incremental upgrades and a variable aperture. I very much think that's mostly the case. Matt Black. Don't forget Matt Black. Matt Black. A lot of their advertising and, like, even John Ternus before the event tweeted this, like, little video of this aperture skylight closing. And, like, it was, like, blown out and then it condenses the light into a little circle.

50:41It seems like they needed something to be like, it's different, it's different, it's different. And this will be useful in the future. And I wish that Sony would implement this in their phones, too. I wish like eventually all all smartphones are going to need variable aperture if you don't want everything to be out of focus. But yeah, for now, it's basically pointless. It was crazy how big of a difference it is from like if you change to F4, suddenly the sun stars are like really sharp sun stars. Generally with large lenses and large sensors, you don't really get that sun star until you stop down to like F8, F9.5, F11, something like that.

51:17Marques Brownlee:Yeah, that's just like the, this is so in the weeds, but like how many blades the aperture is. If you have more aperture blades, it creates more of a circle. Did they say how many blades is there? There are six. Six, oh. They weren't pretty in depth. I did not notice that. I did not hear that. Yeah, there are six. They said they're thinner than a human hair, which is kind of crazy. They have to be, yeah. I guess they would be because hair is not that thin, to be honest. I'm just going to say it. Damn. Anyway, yeah, so if you, generally lenses that are more expensive have more aperture blades because when you close down, they're...

51:48Stay spherical. Yeah, they stay spherical. I don't want to get... I could get way too... We are getting... I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yeah. I'm sorry. I was... Yeah. Anyway. I have one question about the blades before we move on. I studied the blades. Yeah? Just so you know. You're a blade master? That feels like a thing from somewhere. Bay blade? While you were... David's my bay blade. Thanks. Wow. Nice. I was studying the blades. Can you hear or feel them moving in the camera? No. But you can see like when you press the aperture change buttons, you can see it like suddenly change. You can see the point lights like suddenly change.

52:25So it's really interesting. Yeah, I think it's pointless for now. They like had some cool images where it's like there was a person with like holding like an earring. And so there was like the light on the earring that was like a sun star.

52:38Marques Brownlee:And I was like, sure, whatever. That feels like on the level of like that phone that had like the S in the like reflection on the back. The OnePlus phone where they just like, Yeah. Where they noticed it while they were shooting and they were like, let's talk about that. Like, sure. But something that is very fun and interesting, they added Pro controls, which I really like. Yeah. Pixel has had this for a while now, so Apple's finally bringing it. Now, it's interesting because they don't have like a separate Pro control menu, it's just at the top. It's like they added all these little settings at the top that you can change.

53:08And they have things like white balance, they have things like aperture, shutter speed. The shutter speed thing is cool. I wish you could do more than one second. You can only do one second, which is kind of annoying. But now you can do things like you can do a second long exposure and you can whip the phone a little bit so you kind of get this motion blur effect. It's just nice to have more control over those things. And every year, Apple is going to add a little bit more of Pro Control, but without giving you everything that third-party apps have access to. So that's super nice. I have a question about that.

53:40Yeah. They said customizable Pro Controls.

53:42David Imel:Can you move the buttons around? Yeah, I think that...

53:46Marques Brownlee:I was messing with this. I was able to remove and add different ones, but I wasn't able to change the order. Oh, okay. I'm not sure if I was just doing it wrong. But yeah, you could long press one and be like, I don't need a histogram, I don't need shutter speed, but I do want ISO and manual focus. So you could pop those in and you tap it and it would go into the spot. They were always in the same order. Something that was pretty interesting to me was that in a very Apple way, the white balance was not in Kelvin. They had like... I saw the white balance. It changes dynamically. It didn't say like 2200 or whatever.

54:17Mine did.

54:17Marques Brownlee:Really? Yeah, at the bottom. And it would like abbreviate it. It would say like 5.2. Yeah. It would slide it. It was like 4.8. But then when you look down at the bottom, it would say that's 5200. Oh, that's how they do it. Yeah. That's actually smart. Just to like have a tiny little. Oh, yeah. At the top. Yeah, at the top where they're indicating it. Yeah, it would say like 5.2 or something. 5.2. And I was like, did they just like compress the like 2200 to 7800? into like a... Yeah, just a 5.2K is what they wanted to say. Okay. So anyway, Pro Controls are really helpful. I believe that's probably just going to be an iOS 27 feature.

54:48I think people might have said that they didn't have that. I'm going to be... I'm curious. They had the camera control how many years ago? I assumed it came with Pro Controls. No, that's just for being annoying. Yeah, that's just... Or launching the camera. Yeah.

55:00Marques Brownlee:So you're saying it's an iOS feature? I'm curious if they put this on the base iPhones because in the Pixel...

55:06David Imel:Who are those? I didn't see anyone.

55:08Marques Brownlee:When we get the new iPhone 18, will it have Pro controls? I don't think so. Like in the Pro Pixels, we get the Pro controls in just the Pro phones and you don't get it on the base pixels. That's possible because they call it Pro controls and Apple basically hasn't... They did put ProMotion on the regular phone. It's the only thing and it still isn't LTPO ProMotion. It's not 1 to 120 hertz.

55:32David Imel:You really don't think they're going to add that to the base iPhone? I don't. Just because of the word Pro? Yes, just because of the word Pro. That's wild. Something else that they have, they have the audio mix feature, which kind of like zones in on certain things. Please explain this to us. The demo of that was just like, here's a guy playing the piano, and it switches like, he's still playing the piano. Yeah, but it like isolates it more, I guess. I just thought that was like, narratively and cinematically, one of the funniest things I've ever seen. It's very like sleek, like serious Apple events.

56:01Like, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Yeah, the song was weird. That was a weird choice. Okay, the cinematic mode now gets 60 FPS, which they specifically, and I appreciate this from Apple, they mentioned, this is so you can slow it down 2x times. And I was like, yes, never watch 60 FPS video. Always watch 30 at 0.5 speed. Very important. Time lapse, you can now do in 4K. That's cool. Smart focus tracking. this was sort of a sort of competing against um like dedicated cameras because things like you know a dedicated sony camera or something will track the subject even when it moves pat when it gets occluded and they mentioned you can like tap on a person like playing soccer or whatever and if it gets occluded it will stay tracked on that person which is a big deal like um a lot of dedicated camera companies have been doing this recently yeah other big thing they are supporting synth id from google this is the standard that uh basically leaves an invisible watermark and an image that you can ask gemini or whatever if it's a real photo however they spent a quarter second on that because they said we support something but also we have a new thing called apple reference image uh which they say signs data at a pixel level at time of capture private cloud compute becomes private cloud compute creates an unalterable reference image like a digital negative I do not yet understand how this works.

57:25So I do not want to say this is great or this is bad, but I do want to look into it. So when we have more time, I'm going to dive deeper into this. Most Apple thing ever, it is the XKCD comic of there are 17 competing standards. Let's create an 18th competing standard.

57:40David Imel:Yeah, but this is on the most popular camera in the world. Yeah, but... It's at the pixel sensor level or something. Yeah, whatever. Yeah. Surely it will work. At the sensor level. Real quick to explain how it works if people didn't see it is that you can, I guess, through your phone, be able to any picture, see what the original photo taken was to see if there were any changes made through AI, but actually like physically see it unlike these other things, which is like AI was used in here. Correct. I think it's interesting because sometimes we get photos that are going to say AI was used, but it might be like to get a bird out of the background or something or the far more malicious versions.

58:15David Imel:We can see like that is not even remotely close to what this is. But I think the problem with this is like if someone takes a photo on their phone and then they alter it or whatever, they're the only ones that have the digital negative. So if they're the ones that are trying to, you know. I assumed the digital negative follows it all the time. I thought it gets somehow imprinted. Yeah. Well, probably only if it's like edited, if that metadata follows the image, which would have to be like supported by other third-party editing programs. But Ellis brought up a great point yesterday when we were talking about this, where he said this would be great for like Safari to have a little thing that pops up if you see an image that was a reference image.

58:53David Imel:Yeah. And it'll have like a, this is a real picture. Right. I mean, maybe I shouldn't have assumed, but I just assumed this followed the picture wherever it goes. Otherwise, it feels... I think that's the goal. It's probably based into the metadata. My guess is it's in the data. That's a good point, David. Like if I upload a picture to ChatGPT and say like, you know, make me Batman or something like that. I don't. And then I download a JPEG from ChatGPT. I doubt that will be... Like, will I be able to right click it and be like, show me the reference image? I think so. But it's baked into the Pixel sensors.

59:22Yeah, it's baked into the Pixel, but not the iPhone. If it does work like that, we have an amazing short opportunity on our hands. Yeah. Pushing photos to their absolute extreme and then making people guess what the original. Also, by the way, the thing that breaks all of these things is screenshots. Oh, damn. I remember when the content authenticity initiative came out, and we did a whole video on the Studio Channel about how this works. and C2PA, you can just take a screenshot and it's gone.

59:54David Imel:Yeah, but I think the thing is that moving forward, we probably shouldn't trust any image unless we see a watermark on it like that. Yeah. Like just assume it's fake. And I think the point of this is that when you post an image online, someone can say, that's not real. And then you can back it up with, I have this digital negative, Apple says this is real, whatever. So it is good that they're doing something like this. Also good that they're supporting Synth ID. Whatever. I don't think this is for like our pictures of like removing a bird. So it's a prettier picture. I think this is for like events are happening.

1:00:29David Imel:Look at what's happening. Like here's the real picture. And I think you can be like, I can confirm that this is, if it goes through the correct way. And it solves the problem that Synth ID creates where like, I've heard a lot of creators talk about posting photos on Twitter that get the AI edited thing. and it's like the only AI edit was like, I boosted the exposure. Yeah, on Photoshop.

1:00:48Marques Brownlee:I had the label when I didn't do anything. Exactly. So now the label can have, if you're really curious, you can actually see for yourself like, oh no, this is essentially the image that was taken. Yeah. I think that's better. What's a photo of my right guys? It's kind of cool because when they showed the digital negative version, it was like without the Apple processing too. It was like a more basic photo. I was just going to ask that. It doesn't look like the photo looks when you like take it and then Apple does the processing, does the smoothing, does the exposure boost, whatever. Let me get that.

1:01:17I know. I was like, can I just use that? Wait, so there are shadows? There are shadows. There are shadows. We got shadows, boy. Okay, last big thing that is actually two things because Marques and I got a really interesting demo with a microscope. Yeah, they didn't.

1:01:31Marques Brownlee:As far as I can tell, they didn't say this in the keynote? They didn't. Okay. Yeah, it was wild. So the dynamic island on the pros is 25 % smaller. Neat. I think in the keynote they mentioned now there's more room for three live activities up there instead of two. Cool. Stepbrothers. So much room for activities. What we didn't really get the details on, which I do think is fascinating, is the way they're doing that is just by taking the infrared blaster, basically the Face ID cluster, the infrared, and moving that behind the display. And they actually move it over to the left-hand corner. So there is a bit of a different pixel pitch and pixel matrix over that circle where the Face ID hole is.

1:02:10Marques Brownlee:you would never know looking at the phone.

1:02:12David Imel:I was like, was I not paying attention when you kept reading this during April last night? It was genuinely a cool thing to know.

1:02:20Marques Brownlee:And then we even got to like stare at it. Like under a microscope, you can see the difference in pixels. It's just kind of like what we're about to talk about with Duo, which is there are less pixels there in the top left corner. And so if you are pixel peeping really, really hard, you can see that it's a little bit pixelated in the top left corner. That's how they achieve the smaller dynamic. Yeah, this is basically the same technology that they use for under-display cameras, where they basically just leave gaps between the OLED, and then the camera can, like, fill in that information.

1:02:46David Imel:But you can see it on the under-display camera on the Duo. Yeah, because that needs way more information. This is just infrared,

1:02:52Marques Brownlee:so they didn't have to drastically remove as many pixels. Yeah, so it's interesting that they put it in the top left corner. They showed us a little demo with two little Apple logos, like one on the denser OLED and one on the one with gaps. If you look really close, you can see it, but again, it's in the top left corner. and they said, because now the Face ID camera has always been pretty wide. I think it was like three generations ago of iPhone, they made it like a wider sensor so if your phone's just like sitting on the table, it'll still recognize you. It still has that power, so I think that's pretty cool.

1:03:24It makes the Dynamic Island smaller. It's 25 % smaller, but it also looks like shorter. It's kind of like strange and weird. Yeah. Now they have three live activities. We said that. That was basically it. I don't know. Yeah, that's pretty good.

1:03:38Marques Brownlee:So the Pros are$100 more. Yeah. $1 ,200 for a Pro,$1 ,300 for a Pro Max. Those are all the old phones. All of the catalog of old phones they're still selling, also basically all$100 more. So the price hikes finally hit iPhones. Yeah. But they are no longer the highest-end phones Apple sells.

1:03:55David Imel:It's very funny, though, because you can say, you can't say anymore, like, oh, just wait until the new one comes out and you can get the old one for cheaper. It actually went up$100. Yeah.

1:04:05Marques Brownlee:Everything. Everything's more expensive. Yeah. But we'll talk about the most expensive thing right after one more quick break. That's right. Trivia time. That one sounded like a jukebox.

1:04:17David Imel:I was getting used to it and then the static swapped. Yeah, trivia. I spent so much time on this like special like version where it's the combines. No, didn't. Yeah, whatever. I love it. Well, during the AirPods 5 announcement, the actress was in the train station looking at departures. And two of the cities that trains were going to. Come on. What cities were those trains going to? I don't even remember this ad. diabolical. In the background? No, no, it was in the giant board. There were two shots of it too. It showed it twice. She's looking at it.

1:04:46Marques Brownlee:Yeah, so it's a shot of her in the foreground and the board in the background.

1:04:49David Imel:She walks up to it, she looks at it, they change to delayed, and then it changes.

1:04:51Marques Brownlee:I remember that. And it goes back to that shot again, and you can see in the background that the two cities are delayed. I'm not going to get this. This should be worth 15 points each. I don't even remember this ad at all. I'll give you three points

1:05:00David Imel:per city if you get it. It's not even worth me trying to guess.

1:05:02Marques Brownlee:That is the exact time to tune out mentally from the keynote when that is happening. Because I was paying attention to other things. There's a hint here because she was in Los Angeles Union Station, which was one of the subway stations. I transferred it on my way to high school. So that station is... So I'm crossing L.A. off the list. Yeah, yeah. But they are two cities that have trains from Los Angeles. I was going to say... That's a good hint. It's not going to help me. Funny that Apple pretends there's public transit in California. Oh, go home. I will to Northern California. How? In my car.

1:05:36I took Los Angeles' public transit to school every day for four years. Okay. It works. All right, Ford Motor Industries.

1:05:43Marques Brownlee:Well, we will, again, learn at the end those answers. We'll be right back.

1:05:57Marques Brownlee:All right, welcome back. Last but not least, we should talk about the new form factor of an iPhone for the first time since it was introduced in 2007. there's a folding iPhone it was the one more thing but it was literally the biggest thing at the event which is hilarious but I enjoyed that anyway so it's called iPhone Duo starts at$2 ,000 I think we guessed maybe two episodes ago how much we thought this phone would cost and I think all of us were over there was one podcast episode I only know this because someone blue skied this at me whatever that's called skeeting where they said, wow, David, you guessed the price correctly.

1:06:37And I was like, I thought it was$2 ,400. And then there was apparently an episode many weeks ago where I said$2 ,000. Oh, all right. Weeks or years ago.

1:06:45David Imel:It must have been a long time ago. Because someone also tweeted at us that I think the first Waveform episode ever, we were talking about the iPhone Fold. Really? Something like that. Wow. Well, see, that's how long you've been waiting for this. My expectations clearly creeped up, but the funny thing about this is it's still a$2 ,000 phone, but it feels affordable because of what we were expecting.

1:07:04Marques Brownlee:Yeah. So the fundamentals of this phone are exactly what you've been seeing in the leaks and rumors. It is a smaller passport shaped book style foldable. It's a 5.4 inch display on the front. It's a one by 1.4 aspect ratio. 1.4, I believe notably is the square root of two, which is very important. When you open it, it is a 7.6 inch. Oh, were you paying attention? Yeah. It's a 7.6 inch display, which is a 1.4 by 1 aspect ratio, but wide now. They're both high refresh rate. They're both bright. The outside has a corner cutout. There's no face ID. There is just a touch ID power button. The frame is titanium.

1:07:45Marques Brownlee:It's a little heavier than some other folds. It's asymmetrical. It is asymmetrical at the front. This was a bigger deal to some, especially those who have used a bunch of foldables that are now basically all rectangular screens. but it's rounded on the right-hand side and squared on the left-hand side.

1:08:02David Imel:Do you think that's why they call it a duo? I was waiting to ask that. Because it looks like a D? It kind of does look like the letter D. We didn't hear the rumor of duo until last minute. Yeah. I tweeted last week, it's kind of crazy that we don't know the name of this yet, and every reply was like, it's Ultra, you idiot. We've known this forever, it's Ultra. Marquez shot a short last night right after A-roll, and he goes like, it's the iPhone Ultra, and puts it down, like nailed that line. And we all paused for a minute. What'd you just say? He's like, I'm really careful.

1:08:31Marques Brownlee:I've been calling it the ultra in my head. Yeah. So anyway, it is. Yeah, it's that small, it's small size, 7.6 inches open. And there are many, many interesting little things about it that are different from some of the other foldables we have. Yeah. The thing that we've all been comparing it to in our heads is the Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 8, which is also a small five and a half inch screen when it's closed and a seven and a half inch small rectangular screen when it's open. Dual cameras, like same idea of a phone. Yeah. But there are, yeah, just a lot of little things that are different that we can sort of dive into each one.

1:09:04Marques Brownlee:I tend to think almost every little thing about the Fold is good and like well-considered. And then there are just a small number of things that are a little odd to me. Yeah. So let's just talk about the things that are different. Yeah. Volume buttons are at the top of the phone. Not sure how they landed on that, but they're at the top instead of the right-hand side. I think that's fine. I think that means you go right for higher volume, left for lower volume.

1:09:30David Imel:I think that screams to me that this turns into an iPad. It just really feels like an iPad when you do it on a half like that.

1:09:40Marques Brownlee:Also on the outside of the phone, dual cameras. So it's an ultra-wide, which is the same as the 18 Pro, and then a new 48 megapixel primary camera, which without much testing, I'm going to assume is on the same level as Samsung. It's like a smaller sensor, but it's the primary sensor. Because it is even thinner than the iPhone Air when it's open. We're so confused. All three of us who were in the hotel room watching the event wrote down 12 megapixel telephoto. No, I figured it out after. Yeah, during the keynote, they talk about that, but it's just a digital crop.

1:10:11David Imel:It's the same as the Air where it's a 48 megapixel main camera that then can be binned to a 12 megapixel telephoto. Dude, I got fusioned. Yeah, it's the fusion. I got freaking fused. You got con-fused. I say the wrong thing. And it was about the future. Yeah. I say the wrong thing on Man on the Street, like to four different people. Oh, no. And I'm just going to look like a moron. No, no, we both doubled down to like, no, we're pretty sure it's a standard and a telephoto. I would have loved that, but no.

1:10:37Marques Brownlee:Yeah. No, so that's that. And like you point out, it is thinner than an iPhone when it is open. So each half of it, sorry, iPhone Air, which is probably why they didn't have enough room for face ID in the top of that thing. And so they did the fingerprint reader power button.

1:10:54David Imel:I think it all confirms our thought of like iPhone Air is like one of the new full. We're going to see. It's like now we have two iPhone Airs with a haircut. It even looks like it. It looks just like it. Yeah. Can I tell you something that Marques told me on the way here that is a deal breaker for me? Was it in confidence? No. Okay. I was going to say, do it anyways. There's no action button. Yeah. That's crazy to me.

1:11:18Marques Brownlee:Yeah. I don't use my action button as much as me. I really don't. anymore. What? I used to use it more. I was really into it the first year. Maybe we'll get more into this later, but you use it a lot.

1:11:32David Imel:Every day. Every day.

1:11:33Marques Brownlee:I used it all the time.

1:11:35David Imel:I ran my life through the ActionBite. Adam, you gonna buy a deal? Not anymore. I need the ActionBite. That's what I miss most about iOS was the ActionBite. Very interesting. And shortcuts. But anyway. Can we talk about some of the software in the closed mode? I thought it was really interesting to do a doc on the right. Why do I keep forgetting the name of the like your Wi-Fi, your status icons, right? Yeah, status indicators. Are all in this like single like button now. They do a lot of cool software stuff in liquid glass that like right aligns everything. Sounds like you're going to cut me off here.

1:12:05David Imel:I thought it was a button too.

1:12:06Marques Brownlee:It's not a button. It's not a button. It looks like a button. I pressed it many times. It doesn't do anything. It's round. You slide down. I know it looks like a button. But when you slide down from the corner, then it expands and everything pushes down. I think you should be able to press it like a button. It's a button. It looks like one.

1:12:20David Imel:My thumb is attracted to it like a... There's about 15 seconds of clips of me in 8K pressing it and nothing happening.

1:12:28Marques Brownlee:I'm like, why is this not a button? Yeah. Yeah. I have so many thoughts on the dock thing. Dock on the right. God. Okay. So it's such a good idea. Unless you're lefty. Unless you're left-handed. In which case, become right-handed. You're holding it. You're holding it wrong. Can you not just like hold it upside down?

1:12:44David Imel:That's what Marquez said. Yeah. I don't know. Well, then your selfie camera's on the bottom. Okay. Okay. Chin cam. Wait. I have to talk about this. I have to talk about this. Okay, talk about the dock. This is what I like so much. Okay, macOS has a dock on the bottom, right? It is this area that you can technically use. If you use the full screen button, if you use the big green button, it fills the entire screen, full screen, whatever. But generally, most of the time, windows and tabs and whatever are sitting above the dock. So it's this little area that's reserved for, you know, switching apps, doing these things, whatever, it's reserved.

1:13:18that's exactly what they did on the duo is that they left this little margin on the side of the screen that basically is a dock which you can only have four icons i wish you could have more apps whatever really bummed about that but it makes it really easy to uh to switch apps if you're right-handed um and when you're when you have apps open and stuff like that all of apple's apps have now been redesigned to make it so all the toggles and stuff are on that side as well something I noticed when I was using it is like a lot of notifications and stuff do not feel centered like they would on a regular iPhone where it comes in front of the center they're slightly to the left and at first your brain is like this is kind of weird because it's offset but you eventually kind of start to understand like oh this whole second this whole side of the phone is just for interacting with

1:14:08Marques Brownlee:you know what I'm getting flashbacks to? what? the Samsung Galaxy Note Edge oh yeah with the remember that phone? the stock ticker? It was just a regular phone, rectangular, but then peeling off the right-hand side of the phone was this little extra margin, which was like kind of a launcher and a clock, and you could put little tickers in there. But that phone was terrible to use. It was. You're right.

1:14:31David Imel:It almost makes the actual content on the front fold a little more normal in terms of aspect ratio of a regular, because you just have this extra room for stuff. It would be awesome if the dock could be way bigger, because you're dedicated in that room. But yeah, little buttons will come up. Different things, depending on what app you're in, will all come right aligned. And like, I'm sorry, software developers, because you're going to have to make an iPhone duo version of every version of your app with all the like buttons and stuff. But in the way that John Ternus like kind of describes what smartphones are now as a intelligent personal hub.

1:15:03Again, I love this idea that like it's a computer that you carry with you in your hand and in your pocket. And because of that, you have a dock, you have a usable area and you have a dock area. And I just think that's a really cool way to like rethink the idea of like a PDA or a smartphone that no one else has really done yet. Is there any way to hide the dock? I couldn't find any dock customization.

1:15:25David Imel:They're using all that. They're dedicating that space so then it would just be empty. You can make it like an app full screen or something. Yeah. Like you know how on Mac you can just automatically hide. When apps are open, the dock is hidden, right? Yeah, the dock's hidden.

1:15:38Marques Brownlee:Every app opens full screen, but as soon as you go home, the dock comes in from the right side. This is Apple, okay? It's a computer, but it's not like a computer. Exactly. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. It's kind of like the same way on Android phones, or at least foldables, they slide the dock in from the bottom, and then when you open an app, it hides. We've just gotten used to that coming up from the bottom because that's where docks usually are. But this one's on the right. It's more reachable. Yeah. I want more customization of that dock. For sure. 100%. 100%. So, yeah, that's really nice.

1:16:06Marques Brownlee:Yeah. You open the phone. you get this big, not huge, but bigger iPad mini type internal OLED display. And by the way, the iPad mini is not OLED. It's just, this is the nicest seven and a half inch Apple display. Yeah.

1:16:20David Imel:And the animation.

1:16:22Marques Brownlee:Yeah.

1:16:22David Imel:It's so good.

1:16:23Marques Brownlee:I know. It is maybe the most important piece of software on this phone. Which is so weird to say, but. Every time I get excited about this, I feel like I'm a shill. I literally can't think about it like someone's going to yell at me about it's such a basic thing but for some reason it's the most delightful possible thing it does spark joy people were describing it as like gradienting out

1:16:48David Imel:but when you really like look at it so when it's closed and it opens it's essentially leaving the screen behind and getting out of focus right and then because the screen feels like it stays there as you turn and see the screen on the interior it's the same screen and you're like whoa and as As you're opening it fully, you're starting to see the screen that's invisible, and it snaps. It makes you believe that it's a real glass window, that you are just moving this glass. For some reason, the in-between animation that your eyes are collecting is as you're moving it and seeing that icon still being there, it just makes it feel like you're opening a glass.

1:17:32Marques Brownlee:Whoever was in charge of this animation cooked. I think this animation is really important for several reasons. Yeah. One is you use the word glass, which is like liquid glass kind of falls into this. So like that's convenient for them. But two is it intuitively gives you a little bit more of an understanding of the continuity that's happening, which is when you're closed, you have the thing that's on the single screen. When you open it, you kind of get an idea of I am extending something to the left of my current screen. So I'm like adding to the left. Yes. So when it's open, whatever is on that right-hand screen, when you close it from the left, you are aware that that is what's going to stay on the screen.

1:18:07Marques Brownlee:It's still there. Yeah, it's the continuity. So it's intuitive, but it helps you to understand what you're going to get when you close it. Yeah. And it's very fast. And this, I didn't expect to hit me as hard as it did, but a lot of foldables, I've been using these for years, and Dave 2D talked about this in his video, but we've just gotten used to there being a little bit of a delay. When you close a foldable, there's just a beat, and then it's ready to go. Yeah. And you open it, and there's a beat, and it's ready. And there's just a little beat. And sometimes there's like a fun animation, like butterfly wings or whatever on your wallpaper or something.

1:18:37Marques Brownlee:But this one, by the time I like swivel it open as fast as I can, like the inside screen is already open. And by the time I close it, by the time I start to see the outside screen, it's already on. It's so cool. So it's a really fast animation. Yeah. I will not lie and say I didn't see any bugs. I did see some foldables bug out in the hands-on area and bug out as we were testing them. Yeah. And I imagine this is a really hard animation to make it work perfectly every time. But for all of those reasons, I really want it to work perfectly every time because it's really good. So that is like the thing I posted a short of it.

1:19:10Marques Brownlee:It's like the thing that helps you understand what's different about this foldable. Everyone appreciates that.

1:19:15David Imel:It had like 20 million views by the end of last week.

1:19:17Marques Brownlee:It literally has 20 million views on Twitter.

1:19:19David Imel:My entire feed was just UX designers losing their minds. by the time I think I had gotten back from recording pod the top comment on the Galaxy subreddit was why can't Samsung do this and by the time I woke up this morning someone already put the animation on a Samsung phone

1:19:33Marques Brownlee:yeah which is I want to see how well that works because if that's a third party like how do they do that and is it going to work yeah it's not it's still cool though and it makes sense to me why we knew everything about the Duo's hardware but we had no idea how the software was going to work like Apple keeps that on lock because this is the stuff that actually separates them from those other companies and makes people like them and the intuitiveness. The other super intuitive thing that I thought was really cool is when you open the device and, you know, you get the same continuity of the display from the front camera and then you sort of extend it to the left.

1:20:08Normally on your phone, you have multiple like home screens, right? You swipe to the right, you swipe to the left and it shifts everything. And it's like, oh, we're on a new page, new page, new page. but on the Duo when you have it open and you swipe to the right or you swipe to the left everything kind of just flows and so it's almost as if there's one big like homepage that you can't see it's a big canvas of pages you're just moving you're like shifting the canvas back and forth and the way that the animation works makes it feel like there's just all of these apps that are sitting on your screen and widgets and whatever and you're kind of just like shifting the page back and forth So the home screen like scrolls instead of being paginated?

1:20:47Yes, it scrolls instead of paginated.

1:20:49Marques Brownlee:Well, no, no, no, it is paginated. But the animation as you move between pages helps you to understand that they are like separate. So like on a Oppo Find N6, you swipe and all of it moves at once. Yeah. But on the Neo, or sorry, the Duo, on the Duo, you swipe and like page, page. Yeah, it's like. and that little set that little distinction helps you understand that there's another page here and there's another page here so it's a clever it's a subtle animation flow but it feels really cool and even when you swipe into the app drawer it's not like oop we're on the app drawer page it's like the app drawer like flows in on the right side and flows back out yeah the app will do flow yeah it's kind of hard to explain but I think when we get it on video it'll be easier to see definitely yeah but yeah that inside screen man it is paper like really good Really, really good.

1:21:41Marques Brownlee:So the two things that make it great. One is it has this, they call it a nanotexture finish, but it's some sort of an anti-glare finish on top that makes it both really, really good at rejecting reflections, really good at hiding the crease, and really smooth to the touch with your finger as you actually scroll. And yeah, this is one of the least crease-visible foldables ever. It's not invisible, but on the scale of like first gen foldables to today's foldables, like with N6, this is right next to N6 with best I've ever seen. Yeah. You can run your finger over it and feel it a little bit, but it's pretty close to not there.

1:22:20David Imel:It's smart. I mean, like we've gotten to the point enough companies have made folding phones. Creases have been getting better, but the number one way to see a crease is a weird light reflection. Yep. Cut light reflections out. Crease kind of goes away. there are always going to it is anti-reflection still has reflections in some spots i see people clipping out one frames out of everyone's video like oh my god there's a giant crease in that it's like you are going to see it at some point on any phone i don't know if we will ever get past that

1:22:47Marques Brownlee:but it's it was a smart move yeah and as you look at content on the display it really like the the bezels are even all the way around there is a display under display selfie camera so it's uninterrupted, but it looks mostly uninterrupted. So it looks really, really good. Now you want to talk about that camera. Yeah, we can talk about that. I do. Because nailed the crease. That camera did not nail. Real quick on the crease before we get there. They are using a titanium backplate and that was Samsung's big innovation in the full day too. Yeah. I heard them. That also helps get rid of the crease a little bit.

1:23:17Marques Brownlee:I also heard, and maybe I'm making this up in my head. I heard carbon fiber back structures or something like that. There's a lot of engineering in the hinge that I might not be quoting perfectly. And there's like 10 layers of display panel as well that they use. So anyway, we can get to the under display camera now. Yeah. Okay. So they do have the selfie camera on the front display. It's a corner cutout. And they do have, when you open it up, on the right-hand side, top middle, behind those pixels is an under display selfie camera. We've seen this before, okay, in Samsung foldables. They've tried this for a couple of generations.

1:23:48Marques Brownlee:And the idea was that they have this pixel matrix that has gaps between pixels. and they have to shine those pixels twice as bright when the display is on because it's half as many pixels. But it does a decent job at sort of like covering the hole. And then when you actually open the camera, it blacks out all those pixels and the camera can see through it. But it doesn't look great. Those pixels... Yeah, the... Well, I don't actually... I guess I don't mind as much the like slightly pixelated look.

1:24:22David Imel:To ask you, I talked about David, with David in the car this morning. I've seen some videos where I don't notice, pre like it activating, just when you're using the interior screen. I've seen some videos where I don't notice it. I've seen some videos where I can't not see it. And it's very annoying. Like it's very visible. I was, I said to David, it reminds me of like, if you take two colors of paint that are very contrasty, they look like they should be apart. When you take two colors of paint that are supposed to be the same color, but are off, it's infuriating. So like once you see that and you know it's supposed to be hidden, but you can see it, it's really frustrating.

1:24:57David Imel:And it's really obvious.

1:24:58Marques Brownlee:It's one of those things where I wonder how much it being on camera and like the more of like those pixels being in focus is like amplifying it a little bit. In person, I didn't mind it so much. What I am more bummed about is how bad it makes the footage from the camera look. Now, this is, to be fair, probably the least used camera on the device. Like you'll use it for some FaceTimes and maybe for some selfies if you really want to. I have a sample video from it in my hands-on video where you can tell. Yeah, it's not great. Doesn't look that good. It's easy for sure. But like I said, we had this years ago.

1:25:28Marques Brownlee:Samsung tried this. They never really got dramatically better. Yeah. And then they just stopped and they just started doing the hole punch cutout again. Yeah. And everyone was fine with it. And it looks like a good quality camera again. And now Apple's doing it. And it doesn't look that much better. Like we see a lot of new things. Apple waits till the right moment, jumps in, does it their way. This isn't like better than Samsung's version. So I wonder how long this lasts. Personally, I prefer this to a giant cutout. Really? Yeah. A giant cutout? I never wanted Samsung to go back to the regular camera.

1:25:58Interesting. Because I think Apple thinks this way too, where they're like, we would prefer that we have this mostly uninterrupted interior display. It feels more magical. Yeah. And then when you do use the camera, it shows up, but you just generally don't. And even if you did for like FaceTime or whatever, who cares about like if the if it's like ultra sharp for FaceTime, you know, it's like the zoom camera. It's the FaceTime camera.

1:26:22David Imel:I think it's like one of those things that it's maybe it's not perfectly sharp. But now the more variables you introduce into it, like weird lighting conditions, I'm assuming are going to be affected even stranger than it. So like if you FaceTime outside is now the whole thing going to be in crazy washed out. Yeah, it is hazy. The more variables, it's kind of like how we'd say, oh, you can take a photo on the iPhone 1 in good lighting and it's going to look great. Yeah. We think, I thought it used to be bad. It's the variables. I understand what you're saying. And now we have a camera that's like, it can handle anything and that doesn't feel like it's going to handle.

1:26:53In low light, this is probably going to be really bad. Awful. Like, especially bad.

1:26:57Marques Brownlee:Some of the first gen under display selfie cameras, when I take a photo in the office, the overhead lights would get like doubled because the pixels, you could see the pixels through. It looked like you were looking from behind the screen. I remember this. It was bad. And I, you know, we'll take this into other conditions. Apple's perfectly lit environment revealed that it looked meh, but we'll see. I think that they just think about what is the amount of time that people spend using the screen versus using the camera on the interior of the screen. Which is probably the calculus they did. And they were like, people almost never use this camera.

1:27:29Marques Brownlee:Let's make it look better. That's my argument to get rid of it.

1:27:32David Imel:Get rid of it entirely. Just get rid of the inside camera. You can't FaceTime then. That's fine. Close the phone. Yeah. It's a duo. It does make sense to FaceTime with that interior because now you have bigger screens of the other people you're talking to. Yeah, but if I'm opening up the thing, it's because I want to watch something more than I want to be a part of FaceTime. You want to watch another person's face? No, I want to watch the people. I'm not going to open it up to like... Yeah, but they have to see you. Yeah, close it, I mean. Like, use the phone closed with the front camera. Yeah, but what if you have two people?

1:27:58David Imel:What if there's three people on FaceTime? Now you can see their face is better because it's a bigger screen. Everyone has been getting along fine with their regular phones.

1:28:05Marques Brownlee:That doesn't mean we can't do things better. What about the FaceTime where you tilt it halfway and it's pointed at you from across the room and you prop it up? That's cute.

1:28:12David Imel:That's real cute. But my argument is the inside screen is for watching things and doing things. And if they want to make the hit, take the hit and like just remove the inside camera and be like the inside screen is perfect because it's beautiful. It's like the nano texture is sick. It's like a great display. Yeah, just remove the camera. It's fine.

1:28:31Marques Brownlee:So we have all three spectrums. We have make it a whole bunch cut out. I think it's fine. Get rid of it entirely. Yeah.

1:28:40David Imel:Alice doesn't make it crumple. Yeah. Yeah. I also think because we have the nanotexture on the rest of the display and you don't see any reflections, that portion does reflect more light. Like if you like tilt the phone in different directions, the rest of the phone is like not really reflecting that much, but you see it more because it catches the light. Which is more light, yeah. So, you know, I don't know. It's not a huge deal. You can now use the Apple Pencil with USB-C on both the outside and the inside. Yeah, not yet. Later this year. You will be able to. Wait, only the USB-C one? You can't use Apple Pencil 2?

1:29:16Or Pro? Okay, the reason for this almost definitely is because you have to be able to charge the pencil, and Apple is so scared of selling people pencils that only magnetically charge to iPads that you can't. You should make a charger. You can't. You mean like a separate dock charger? Yes. I guess. What do you mean you guess?

1:29:35Marques Brownlee:Yeah, I guess Apple could just sell us new chargers. It's a piece of plastic that big with a magnet in it. Like this is not rocket science. They could easily sell the Pro. I mean, it is annoying that you can't use the Pencil Pro on the Pro, like the big iPhone. But I think they're just afraid of selling people a thing.

1:29:53David Imel:I think that is it. It just stinks for someone who has an iPad already and maybe is carrying it and that's where it's charging and you could pop it off and use it on your phone instead. Something that's cool, someone brought an iPad Mini to the demo area to show the difference. The size is barely different of the actual display, but it makes the iPad Mini look like it's 20 years old. They gotta refresh the iPad Mini. The iPad Mini is one of the most

1:30:16Marques Brownlee:neglected, high-potential products. But what if it had...

1:30:20David Imel:I got my dad one, too.

1:30:22Marques Brownlee:I love the iPad Mini, but what if it was an OLED and had a really nice screen with an anti-reflective finish and the inner bezels? Oh, hey, look, you've got an iPhone Duo. Look, it's iPhone Duo. It would look great. How long do you think we have to go before someone attempts to fold an iPad Mini and thinking it's a Duo? Derek everything he does. He's going to do it. IP68, fully dust and water resistant. Second foldable with IP68. Pixel 10 Pro Fold and this. 11 Pro Fold, too. Oh, 10 Pro Fold and... Sorry. 10 Pro Fold was the first one. It was the first one. Yeah, and 11 Pro Fold. And now this. yeah I know this so that's nice one other thing

1:31:00David Imel:if we're speaking about Zach is they had a very specific part where they mentioned the antenna parts and that they were reinforced because they looked very similar to where the pixel fold antennas are which is where Zach keeps snapping them but they specifically said there's reinforcements in those antennas that's going to be one of the hardest videos to watch dude yeah

1:31:18Marques Brownlee:when he puts sand in that thing oh my god

1:31:21David Imel:I mean it always is for any phone and you know you're going to watch it too that's a with the new YouTube views that's a 75 million and view video. He snaps that in half. Yeah, that's true. Okay, so they've got two colors. They have like this pearlescent white, which... The best color. Eh. And then they had like a midnight blue. What was it called? Black. Sunset. No, it's like night sky. Dark sky, night sky.

1:31:45Marques Brownlee:Something like that. They rhymed when

1:31:47David Imel:they said both of them together.

1:31:49Marques Brownlee:Oh, yeah. Starlight and night sky. Starlight and night sky. Night sky is the better color. This is like a Jeopardy question. Starlight, Night Sky, iPhone Duo. No, it's Star White. Star White. Star White. Star White. Star Light is like the yellow-y MacBook color. Why would they do that? It kind of looked like that. Star White and Star Light? That's confusing. And then they went with Burgundy. Hey. I'm a... Wine barrel. Look, for a first-gen... I'm going to call this first-gen. For a first-gen foldable from Apple, I think they overall did a pretty good job I mentioned that there are things I don't like I don't love that it's only four items in the dock like let me put five or six like let me customize that more I don't love that it's only two cameras but that's about as good as it's gotten for this form factor like the big ultra one has had triple cameras but this isn't the big ultra one I think$2 ,000 is a pretty good price I just yeah I think the animations and the software really make this phone different.

1:32:52Yes, speaking of the software, there's a few things that I want to talk about with it. They obviously had to bring more use cases to the Fold to actually entice people to have the Fold. Some of them are a little silly. Some of them are kind of intuitive. Some of them are things that the Android manufacturers have done that are either good or bad. One of them that's kind of weird and interesting is you can now, you know, standby mode. There's standby mode. Don't talk bad about standby mode. Why? Because it's the greatest feature Apple has ever released in anything. I didn't say it was bad. You said it was weird.

1:33:26Yeah. Okay, your implementation's kind of weird. It's awesome. Okay, do you remember the Lenovo Yoga Book 9i? Yes, of course. The tent mode? The first foldable laptop, or at least 360 hinge laptop. Your point, David? Don't talk bad about it. The new alarm clock thing, the tent mode with the underglow? Beautiful. It's cool. Okay, so here's what this is. You can put it in tent mode. It's weird that we put everything in tent mode. Go on. You got a big clock on the right, you got a big time, and then you got a little calendar. And you don't need to be charging it now, because it can go down as low as one hertz.

1:34:03So now you can just have it on your bedside table. Don't forget the glow. What do you mean the glow? It wakes you up with a soft underglow. Yes.

1:34:11Marques Brownlee:The inside screen can glow. Okay, that's actually kind of cool. It's sick. Because the Philips Hue lamp and stuff, that they have like sunrise lamps and their whole thing is that there's a glow next to your face. I don't know how much that's going to be.

1:34:23David Imel:It costs a lot of money. It looks cool. It looks cool. You know, it's, are you going to tent mode all the time, Ellis? I don't think I'm going to buy one. Yes. But yeah. Yesterday, when we recorded our podcast yesterday, he was like, we were talking to a guest who came on and he goes, oh, tent mode is so sick. I do really hope they make a stand that's a wireless charger that you could put stent mode on. And she goes, how would that work? And it would charge from the inside. How would that work? Yeah, you'd have to, you can slap it. By the way, it does have MagSafe. So you can put a camera that sees light through the screen, but God forbid a little wireless electricity goes through that thing.

1:34:56Well, it's like a big. There's a lot. There's a lot of Z dimension. There's a lot between that coil. Yeah, there's a lot. They have a trillion dollars. They have five trillion dollars. Let's be clear. They'll figure it out. Okay, so other little changes. They did the thing that we've done since the beginning of time with foldables that I just don't really understand where you can have the big video playing back when it's sideways or you can fold it 90 degrees and then there's playback controls and the video is smaller. I've never done that. I have no idea why people care about this.

1:35:28David Imel:Just use the example of a live stream with chat on the bottom. That makes way more sense. Maybe you do want to read the chat on the bottom.

1:35:34Marques Brownlee:You see the Netflix version of this? Yeah. This is a very specific to Netflix implementation. Yeah, so the Netflix app, you fold it halfway. The top half is playing your video. The bottom half is generating like a glowy, diffused reflection of the bottom of your video so that you can kind of see it reflect.

1:35:55David Imel:It's like those TV lights that you can have.

1:35:57Marques Brownlee:It's exactly like that. It's exactly like that. Cool, I guess. Yeah, I don't. It's very weird. First thing I asked was, can I turn that off? That's weird. Yeah. And then they have a feature that I think a lot of other foldables have where it's basically universal copy paste between apps, which is cool. So you can have two apps open and you can do the thing where you can like press and hold on an image and it'll cut it out and you can drag it into another thing. I don't know how many people are gonna use this. They always use like Keynote as an example, which is a piece of software that I've never known a single person that has ever.

1:36:32This is more for like emails or texting for me. Yeah, yeah. Emails and texting is really nice because so you have your email open and you've got an image and you want to text it to someone. you can just drag it. I also found it super useful for like two-factor.

1:36:44David Imel:Yeah. Open up like all the other left and then just drag it over. And these are things that every other foldable has had for a very long time. So they're doing all that stuff. They just also implemented the small things like the tent mode, which is, you know, strange.

1:36:56Marques Brownlee:My takeaway from like my very limited brief early hands-on, and this comes out in October, so we'll have like a month or two on this, but like I'm used to using like the Z Fold 8 and like the latest generations of foldables from other companies. and they all feel like very to me very intentional like I get that phone and when I open it up I'm like deciding to be productive with it and that's like an event and then I close it and it's over but the duo feels like a little playful it feels like it's way more willing to go back and forth between open and close the animations are very thoughtful it feels more fun to use despite being not any more functional they heard LSA

1:37:36David Imel:there's no more whimsy in tech and that animation and had some whimsy to it. We got a little hint of it. They listened. It did. So, yeah, also it uses the new C2 modem, which is supposed to be faster, C1X, and adds 5G millimeter wave for people who care, which is one person. It has 50 % charge in 20 minutes, which is nice. It's fairly quick. All-day battery. All-day battery life, baby. They got a trademark. 24 hours of charge when using both schemes equally, which, look, the interior display is always going to use a lot more power. So I'm at least glad that they give us these averages. I need to test.

1:38:12That's kind of nice. I don't know how to use that number. The numbers were, I appreciated them giving us more numbers, but they were kind of confusing. They are confusing. Also, it's eSIM only worldwide, which is a little bit different because usually European models of iPhone Pros have eSIM. Yeah. I mean, have a physical size. That's about it, yeah. So it comes out October 23rd with pre-orders on a tour 16th. And again, 1999. So we're gonna go to trivia now. Let's do it. We've been typing today. You got my letter?

1:38:44Marques Brownlee:Guys, could you scroll all the way down and read what I wrote? Worldwide, how many times per day do people query Siri?

1:38:52David Imel:Price is right? Yes, price is right rules. If you go over, you are eliminated. From Apple campus. We'll have security come and take you out. Because we can do that.

1:39:02Marques Brownlee:There's actually a hole below your chair. It'll just open up.

1:39:04David Imel:No, it's more of a very compressed spring that shoots you out of the roof. All of Apple Campus is actually a convertible for that reason. And by convertible, I mean there's no ceiling. I was like, do you guys hear that? And it's because it's the trivia music. The trivia music is just white noise in my head at this point. All right. Everyone read out your answers. Actually, David wins. We're spaced out by like two billion each. I wrote one billion. It was 2.5 billion That's 2.5 I thought it was 3.5 I wrote 5 billion

1:39:40Marques Brownlee:I was too high

1:39:43David Imel:During the AirPods 5 announcement What cities were the trains going to That were delayed From LA Is Pasadena a different city than LA It is a different city but it's not far enough to warrant Getting on a big old train You can walk there It's very walkable California right this is basically the name to California cities that I'm having that are in the general if you were paying attention you want another hint it won't help one of them is a macOS version I have a hint I was gonna actually write this before but only because Adrian kept saying it yesterday oh you're gonna get it wrong that I'm wrong I'm not even hey why do you know what that is that's where I grew up oh

1:40:25Marques Brownlee:yeah oh that's where I've heard this okay that's where I've heard this before is that one of the places There were two cities. You could have put two cities. So your city is in Los Angeles. I couldn't think of the other one. Oh. Yeah. All right. No. I wrote San Diego as one. And what's the other one? Sonoma, which is not. That is not. San Diego. You got it. Yo. That's three points.

1:40:43David Imel:I said it was worth three points. I've heard of this city before. Bro, I'm getting cooked in trivia. Andrew, what did you put? I put Monterey. No, that's unfortunate. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So where was the other one? Ventura. Ventura.

1:40:55Marques Brownlee:Ventura. Oh, the city. Okay. Dang. All right. Well, hey, thanks for tuning in. Thanks for watching and listening. Of course, get subscribed to all the channels. Obviously, for more podcasts, if you're subscribed here, you're going to see the Man on the Street episode that we shot or that y 'all shot right after the event, talking to people. And if you subscribe to the MKBHD channel, you'll see reviews of these things when they all come out. If you subscribe to the Autofocus channel, you'll see videos shot on the new iPhones. If you subscribe to the Studio channel, you'll see the behind the scenes of us coming here to shoot the event.

1:41:23Marques Brownlee:So it's all happening. It's Tech-Tember. It's loaded. Thanks for watching. catch you guys very soon later peace

1:41:30David Imel:thanks again to the team that let us set up here again always a pleasure and because it's Thursday Adam has to edit this at less than 24 hours so it's really saving us and we're on West Coast time so I have 30 hours left just Adam yeah just Adam Wayformers produced by Adam Malina and Ellis Rove and we're partner with Box Media Podcast Network and a trotter music was created by Vance Seltz bingo let's go

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