Did DeepSeek Just Break the AI industry?

24:48But also, if you're going to charge more than the Quest, then you have to be able to do more than the Quest. And the Quest has a huge library of games. That's what they're really good at right now. Obviously, the work aspect is okay. You can computer mirror. I would imagine that this kind of gets positioned as, yes, you can work in it, but also you're just going to get so much done with Gemini all the time. It's going to be the super useful thing that helps you all. You're going to want to walk around the office and write emails while your hands are in your pockets. Yeah, but the problem is this thing is so big just like the Apple Vision Pro.

25:19Like how long until this is in a pair of Ray-Bans? Like if they're just going to put Gemini in glasses. Yes. Okay. Right. Great point. And I think this will be probably the last big point for this. Okay. Android XR as a platform can be in a bunch of different form factors. So in this video, I said that Project Wuhan, think of it as like the pixel or the nexus or whatever of this platform, meaning that it's an example for a version of the hardware you can put it on. Yeah. But there will be, from other manufacturers, higher-end versions, lower-end versions, different form factors. We were, I think, maybe having a conversation about PCs.

25:57Maybe, was this last week on the podcast? But, like, desktop computers are still a big thing that you put on your desk. And people will buy higher-end components or lower-end components, but they'll just run Windows again at the end of the day. And so Android XR will run on smart glasses too. But if it's on smart glasses, you will have less total functionality. You can't watch a movie on them. You can't see the Gemini UI as easily. It'll just be text-based instead of like this whole animation thing. So there are pros and cons to different form factors. But the idea is they're introducing Android XR, and then hopefully the hardware ecosystem blooms and the developer ecosystem blooms.

26:38and then everything's blossoming at the same time. So more of instead of trying to crash the VR and the smart glasses into each other, you're just saying, we're just gonna run on all the types of platforms. Yeah. Like all the types of headsets. Exactly, yeah. Android XR is the base software layer for all of the future AR, VR, XR experiences that will come in the form of headsets, glasses, et cetera. Okay. Interesting. Yeah. Okay. So I'm very interested in where this goes and how they position it and all this stuff. I did hear that they were planning to release it in 2025, though. Yep. They wouldn't stop telling us that.

27:18Okay. They couldn't stop. Every time we asked about it, we're like, so this year? And then Andrew would ask, so actually this year? And then they'd go, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, a couple months. Yeah. So they're, I think, planning on it. You should have asked them where the Galaxy Home is. And then I'd feel more comfortable. I know, yeah. Every company's got an air power that makes us go. That's true. Literally every company has announced something where we go, can we trust them anymore? Are they going to make, even if they have a track record, you're like, but you didn't ship that one thing, so now I don't know.

27:45That's true. Interesting. Yeah, Samsung, we'll see. 2025 allegedly. Okay, and nothing about price? Nothing. Nothing about price. Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool. All of my estimates would come from, like if I was betting, we could probably estimate in an educated way. I looked at that display and the field of view and the materials and the battery. And I don't know the bill of materials, but I imagine from Samsung they would position this in a way that they could undercut Vision Pro, but still be looked at as premium. Let's take a market that has very few people in it and make it even smaller. Well, Quest is popular.

28:27That's true, but for gaming. Right. Like, you know what that's for. Nobody knows what these other things are for. Yeah. Well, hopefully, so I did play one game. briefly. I don't even remember. It was one, it was, I'm gonna look like such an idiot. I forgot the name of this game. It was like a flat game with like a bunch, it was a house cross section with a bunch of Flappy Bird. Oh, was it Fallout Shelter? Yes, that. Oh, and I played that for 30 seconds and I was like, wow, it works with my hand control. That's crazy. Or I could have a mouse and it would work with that. Did it feel intuitive at all?

28:57I don't know how to play that game so I couldn't answer that. But, yes, I mean, I zoomed in and I clicked things and I held things down and I move them around. So yeah, I think it was pretty intuitive. Decided to play mobile games on a thing I have to wear on my face. I mean, there's going to be games that don't work at all. Yeah. Like, I imagine like a need for speed game is not going to... It'd probably just be in a window, right? You got to have controllers at that point. Yeah. I think you need controllers. Right. So is this built on Daydream or is this just a brand new situation? We don't talk about that.

29:24I don't think Daydream... I don't think Google even remembers what that is. Do you remember cardboard? Yeah. Was under my seat. Cardboard was fire. Cardboard was fire. It really was. Just put your phone right on your face. I'm going to guess when this Samsung headset comes out, it's going to retail for... Nope. More. No, I was going to say$1599 or$1699. I'm guessing like$699. All the way to$699. I think it'll be more than Quest, but it'll be way cheaper than Vision. Wait,$699? $799. $799? Yeah. Not$1 ,799. I'm going with$15.99. Ooh. Okay. Like, think about, like, an S24 Ultra is already$12.99.

30:11Yeah. But everyone knows what to do with an S24 Ultra. That's my thing. Like, in order to get people to buy a thing, like, people buy the Quest even though they're not totally sure what they're gonna do with it because it's$500. And there's, like, two games they know they want to play. And during Christmas, it's$350. They want to play Beat Saber. It's a splurge moment. The Vision Pro is almost never a splurge moment. Yeah. Yeah. I just, I think it's all about positioning from Samsung. Totally. Like in the way that they position their phones against other phones, they have to. Do they even position their phones?

30:45Well, they call this. We know you're going to buy it. Like they have the S25 and the Plus and the Ultra, which has to be more because it's bigger, but it's not that much better. But it has to be more expensive. So it's$1299. Yeah. That's really expensive. Because they know that there's that market of people that will just get the best thing no matter what. Right. And I think they'll see other headsets come out after this. And then this one is the premium one in that world. There will be$700 headsets that run Android XR. From Lenovo. But I think, yeah, I think they're going to look a little different from this one.

31:14And I think the one that looks like Vision Pro, I think they're aiming it at people who might have thought about buying a Vision Pro. Come on, HTC. Somebody who has$3 ,000. You got to make your comeback, King. We're going to get those cheaper headsets, but I think they're going to go right up well past$1 ,000. So that's why I'm going$15.99,$16. For some reason,$16.47 is in my head, but that's not a real price. $16.47. Great year. Let's go$15.99 is my official guess. I guess I haven't touched it, so I don't know how the hardware quality is. There's glass on the outside. The frame is metal. It's not plastic.

31:45Remember, Quest is just plastic. Yeah. And I think this has metal. It had fans. It had that Snapdragon chip inside. Yeah, it had fans. You can hear them? No, I didn't hear them. Okay. But it had fans. It had nice machined buttons. It had the braided cable for the battery. It was definitely supposed to be premium. Yeah. It did look like a Vision Pro. You had the top shot of it on your head but above, and it has the same freaking button as Vision Pro. I said in the video, and people got mad because I compared it to Vision Pro so much, but I was like, it's not a digital crown here. It's a button.

32:17And they were like, why do you keep using Vision Pro as a reference? Oh, I wonder. Because Samsung did. Because it looks like a Vision Pro. and it's also the one that a lot of people have seen that video is 30 million views or something people have seen Vision Pro so this is the reference this is the Android version of the thing you've already seen this is we've got Vision Pro at home for people that want to buy it for their kids do you want to make an official price guess? $9.99 $7.99 $9.99 I feel like it's going to be more now I'm telling you I'm giving you a chance $12.99 lock them in now we should do trivia Okay.

32:56Okay. $12.99. Trivia, dude. So, David Kaz and Damien Henri were two French Google engineers. With their 20 % innovation time off, they made something that was introduced at Google I.O. 2014 Developers Conference. 2014. In fact, everyone that attended walked away with it. What was it? I have an idea. I think I went to that. I think you did too. What was the thing? I should know this. Eleven years ago. I should know this. When we were not old. When we were wee lads. When we were wee lads. All right. Well, we'll think about this one. Answers will be at the end like usual. We'll be right back.

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35:48All right. Welcome back. We've got to talk about this Deep Seek thing. Yeah. Now, here's my relationship with the Deep Seek headlines. Okay. I was working on the Project Wuhan video. Okay. And trying to distill all of my thoughts on this headset that I just tried and like over a flight back and like writing it and carving out all the footage and color correcting and editing and animating and all that, blah, blah, blah. And when I uploaded it, Deep Seek had already gone through an entire news cycle. Yeah. Of it coming out, being the talk of the town, and then suddenly is maybe not so hot. It's still in the news cycle.

36:22It's definitely still a news cycle. A lot. I need you to explain what I missed. Okay. Yes. Okay. So it turns out we all missed this, actually, because the original big Deep Seek news, well, part of the big Deep Seek news, happened on Christmas Day. So clearly a lot of us were going to miss this. Oh, wow. Okay. That's my fault for not really digging into the forums on the - on Christmas Day. On Christmas Day for the groundbreaking AI reports. Yeah. Actually, the only things I've seen is number one, it was an AI model that costs like a tenth of what OpenAI's models cost and were just as good. Allegedly.

36:55And then I heard that it was just trained on OpenAI stuff and not actually that impressive. Oh no, they stole our stolen content. So that's my entire familiarity. All right. Yeah, high level overview. This is a AI language model similar to OpenAI's JetGPT. yes it is specifically a language model they also introduced an image model but the language model is the thing that people are mostly talking about so on Christmas day this company called DeepSeek that is this Chinese AI company released this model called DeepSeek V3 V3 is a foundation model came out on Christmas no one really talked about it that much because it was Christmas the thing that is causing a lot of stir in the community is that it performs really well.

37:42It performs very similarly to things like GPT-4 and like one of Claude's best models, stuff like that. But probably the biggest thing that caused the stock market to start tumbling and all these things to happen is that reportedly it only cost$5.6 million to train. I think the headline I'm remembering now is that NVIDIA lost like$600 billion of market cap. They lost half a trillion of market cap in one day, which is a whole Stargate. because of these headlines about DeepSeek. Yes. Wow. So if you sort of extrapolate the fact that this costs$5.6 million, most of these AI companies basically are trying to create these gates, not gates, they're trying to create these walls on who can compete with them by saying, oh, it costs$100 million to train a foundation model, so only these giant companies like Google and OpenAI and I guess Claude can train their own models to be competitive in meta.

38:44So it's semi-open source. It's like open weights. So they released this really big paper about how they trained it. And the paper basically discloses all of these different methodologies that they use that basically take similar methodologies to what the big companies use, but they take the most efficient approach possible. I think a lot of the companies like OpenAI and Meta and Google, their big thing has been, oh, we're just going to throw more compute at it because for a while, these AI models scaled with the amount of compute that they threw at it. Eventually, they started kind of slowing down and now they're trying to figure out different ways to make them more effective.

39:23Like, for example, OpenAI's O1 model is like this reasoning model that takes multi-steps. It does multi-step reasoning to think through problems, which has a higher level of accuracy for actually solving complex problems. But things like that O1 model are in OpenAI's$200 a month tier. So they have all these insane gates that stop people from actually using them or competing. I saw them saying something about how the usage of that tier was so high that they were still losing money per user. Yeah, which is crazy how expensive this stuff is supposed to be. So some of the efficiency things things that DeepSeq did to make this a lot cheaper is they use techniques like this technique called mixture of experts.

40:09And what that is, is basically if you have a giant model, right? Like for example, this V3 model has 671 billion parameters. You can basically say, okay, well, I'm going to take 37 billion of these parameters and specify it towards things like code, right? Because when you feed a model a ton of data you've got a ton of coding data you've got a ton of just natural language data you've got a ton of data about different topics so it's not actually efficient to do this like next word processing thing if you have to run through the entire model and find the next token it's more efficient to say oh i've got an expert on coding in the model here so that let's only run a parameter of 37 billion instead of 671 billion okay sure and that's both more efficient and more effective.

40:57So it can be cheaper, it can be faster, and it can be just as maybe even more accurate. Right, and it's also, yeah, it could be more accurate. And it can also be much cheaper to inference. So if you're actually the end user using it, it costs less per token because it doesn't have to go through the entire model to find what you're looking for. Okay, so this V3 model was already a big deal because of how cheap it was. But the thing that's causing the bigger stir is just last week, they announced a new model called R1, not of Rabbit R1 fame. Prove it. Can't prove it. Cannot prove it. But R1 is a reasoning model similar to OpenAI's O1 model.

41:38And it does the same multi-step reasoning that the O1 model does, but it does it out in the open, which is very interesting. So the difference is when you ask O1 a question, it'll say thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking, and it just kind of gives you the answer. That's what I do usually. Whereas the interesting thing about this R1 model is when you ask it a question, say like you give it some complex question like, oh, there are four blocks on top of each other. One is green and it's in the middle. One is red and it's here. If I were to move the green block on top, can you tell me the order of the blocks?

42:14This is an example from the Computer File YouTube channel that I just ripped off. Now, normally it would get those things wrong because it's very difficult to take all that information and understand the physics and all that stuff. But in a reasoning model, it's similar to a human being who writes down the problem and you have to work it out, right? Because you can't just instantaneously come up with that answer. And so it will step-by-step tell you, okay, so theoretically, if you were to move that block to the top, then now the blue block is below the red block, which means that blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

42:48And OpenAI used to hide all of that compute. But R1 shows it step by step, which is very interesting for a lot of people because now it shows you how these models are actually working, which is really crazy. I kind of like that. Yes. Because it's not like sourcing it necessarily, but it's kind of interesting to see it and maybe catch a mistake in the process as it happens. That's cool. Right. The other thing that is interesting about the way that they trained this is that generally the way that you train a lot of these AI models with complex problems is you would tell it the question, you would tell it all of the steps in between working out the answer, and then you would tell it the answer.

43:27And that would be the data that you feed into the model. So you're just feeding like all of these worked out questions into a model, which is a lot more data. And it's also not really learning how to, learning in the broader sense of the word, how to actually work out the reasoning for these questions. It's just kind of mapping, here's the question, here's the reasoning, here's the answer. and so it's less likely to get those things correct, takes a lot more data, et cetera. This time, they're basically just giving it the question and they're giving it the answer and they're basically saying, you get a cookie if you get it right and you don't get a cookie if you get it wrong.

44:05And so now, they're sort of training the model to, instead of just mapping the question to the workout to the answer, they're actually kind of training it to actually do that reasoning itself. And that is way cheaper to do as well. So, yeah. The thing that is crazy about all of this is because it is so much cheaper, and they did it also on a bunch of NVIDIA H800 GPUs, which are the older, less fast GPUs that they were able to buy before the export ban, because currently, under the Biden administration, NVIDIA cannot sell H100s to China, because we want to be the, you know, in America, they want to be the fastest, most brawniest, you know, whatever.

44:48So they're saying, oh, we did this on H800 GPUs. We did it on like 10 to 50 times less GPUs. It only took two months to train instead of three months that it took to train the OpenAI model. And the OpenAI model also had way faster GPUs. So suddenly, in order of magnitude less GPUs, 50x less GPUs you can use, NVIDIA's like, maybe people aren't going to buy as many of these anymore. I see. That's why it related to NVIDIA. So, okay, so DeepSeek, it sounds like it's a genuinely innovative and useful, much more efficient, much less expensive both to use and to build model. Sounds like this is like the Leot Omega of language models.

45:38People are considering this a Sputnik kind of moment. Sure. If by people you mean Marc Andreessen. Well, no, more than just Marc Andreessen. in that it's like a new innovation that's not from the US in that we kind of like yeah a lot of US companies have been like we're the only ones in town and then out of nowhere someone releases something that's like better in some circumstances and so it freaks everybody out so what happens when you take this efficient model and put it on Google servers that are running like a hundred thousand NVIDIA GPUs like would it just be that much better so there is There is this paradox that I cannot remember the name of that people bring up a lot in regards to this, where if you can run something more efficiently and cheaper, more people are going to want to use it.

46:26So it scales with the efficiency. So it's like, yeah, if you have more servers, you're still going to use those servers. So it'll be cheaper to run. I've heard the same. But more people are going to use it. Yeah, there's some paradox around it. And that you just fill the demand with your savings. Yeah, right. The other thing is that theoretically now you could run this on like a 4090 or something. You don't need like these supercomputers anymore to be able to run these models. And so if you're like a university and you've got a small cluster, but it's not like an OpenAI size cluster, you could run a local version of this that's tailored to specific tasks locally on your servers and you don't have to pay OpenAI anymore, right?

47:07So this is the other thing. Because the weights are open and people are trying to like re-engineer it and it's free to use and the research paper is out there. It's kind of open sourcing this thing that these few companies have kept closed for a long time because they want to maintain this monopolistic kind of leadership stance. Wow. Yeah. Okay. So that's the first half of the news cycle. I can see the reason for the hype and all of the movement and stock prices and all of the headlines and everything. that but then there was like another half of it where it sort of cooled off or at least started getting broken down and exposed more for what is actually happening is that also yeah i mean people are finding technicalities like so they said that the last run that actually trained the model is the thing that cost five uh 5.6 billion or yeah billion dollars million yeah million 5.6 million dollars instead of from zero yeah instead of from scratch like all the r &d hours all the other compute all the data collection obviously that costs a lot more money so it's kind of like the same thing as your bill of materials thing right yeah it's like what did this actually cost full-on they haven't released that so it's a little bit different has anyone asked carl pay break it down yeah um other thing that i think is very funny is they're basically saying that they are pretty there's this other thing that you can do when you're training models called distillation where you basically take your model and you take you take outputs from a good model and you use that as training data for a new model and they're thinking a lot of people are thinking right now that they used outputs from like gpt4o as data to train this model because you can get you can create a much smaller model with better data and if the good data is in the outputs from another AI model then you can do that and so a lot of people are freaking out but also a lot of data exactly so a lot of people are freaking out because they're like oh my god they might have stolen OpenAI's outputs but it's like boohoo yeah I guess that makes sense because at first when you were saying that I was like okay so we're just making another GPT-4 it's like what's the point but it is still cheaper and more efficient to run and all those benefits so even if it's giving you the same outputs as GPT-4 it could have advantages so I guess I get it way cheaper to run way cheaper to train you could train like a local version you could use your own local version chain of thought reasoning is really cool just a lot of things that I think a lot of people were not expecting and then it also made it seem like okay maybe we don't actually need these supercomputer clusters the size of Manhattan to be able to run these things.

49:56Also, the entire nuclear industry kind of crashed on this too. Because people were investing in a lot of nuclear companies because they were thinking, we're going to scale up AI clusters so much, we're going to need nuclear power to run this. And now they're like, actually, you need 50 times less GPUs than you thought. That's really funny. And so now the nuclear industry is like, uh-oh. That's really funny. I mean, I am not the expert on this, but in a far enough future that I'm envisioning of people using AI all the time, you have to be able to do it more efficiently. Efficiency has to be one of the focuses.

50:34We can't just keep scaling up to just bajillions of GPs everywhere. Sure we can. I mean, that's what we've been doing. That's what NVIDIA wants. That's what we have been doing. And if you follow the graph of NVIDIA stock price, you can see how we've done that. Exactly. But it seems like, yeah, efficiency also has to eventually be a focus in some of these. So I'm glad that it's at least started to highlight that. I think in most industries and markets, when more people have access to innovating on a thing, you get so much innovation that the efficiency and the value proposition just go up exponentially.

51:06But this market is so closed. You only have OpenAI, Google, not even really Apple, Claude and Meta. That's sort of it. There's a bunch of small AI companies that have spun up, but they're all basically using OpenAI as their foundation. So yeah, I think this just kind of shows that open source is going to cause a lot of commotion. Fun. Yeah, pretty big deal. I'm here for it. Pretty big deal. Also, apparently, if you use the... There is now a DeepSeek app that you can have that is now the number one app on the App Store. Sick, that was fast. It will apparently not talk about Tiananmen Square. Because it's still a Chinese app.

51:49Yeah. So is it going to get banned? That's so many things that are unanswered about this. I would not doubt it if that got banned. So, yeah. If you run it locally, it will tell you whatever you want. If you run it through the app, which is kind of going through the Chinese filtration systems, it will not tell you whatever you want. I just want to go sign up, and it says, due to large-scale malicious attacks on our servers, registration may be busy. Please wait and try again. Yeah, they're basically saying they got DDoSed. Yeah, everybody's probably, they have kind of a magnifying glass on them right now, so that doesn't really shock me, but okay.

52:23Yeah, things are happening. So that was a big deal. NVIDIA stock price has since kind of gone a little bit back up. There have been many think pieces about, well, it costs$5.3 million to train, but what about all the other money? And what about this? And oh, if they're using distillation of OpenAI data, then the actual true cost is blah, blah, blah. And it's like, okay, I feel like that's a lot of hand-waving, personally. I don't know. I think it just shows that if you make something open, way more innovation can happen. And also, we're not the only ones in the AI race. All right. Pebble. Do you know this name?

52:58Pebble. The word Pebble. And it's not the social media network. Pebble brings me back because I... Pebble is the first smartwatch I ever had, technically. Oh, wow. It was before Moto 360. I had like a red Pebble. I definitely did a video on the thing too. A red Pebble with a black band. and all it was was an e-ink display on my wrist with notifications. I didn't really want it to do too much else. It was just so I could have less screen time. I could just check my wrist and be like, oh, I can see what time it is and then I just got a text and I'm not even going to read it and there it is. That's my Pebble experience.

53:31So Pebble was one of the most successful Kickstarters of all time. At the time it was the most. At the time I think it was the most. But they eventually went out of business, right? Yeah, okay. So they raised a ton of money. They raised$10 million at their first launch when they expected to raise$100 ,000. They came really popular with Nerds. They released a bunch of new Pebbles throughout the years. They lasted about four years. And then eventually Fitbit bought Pebble. Fitbit bought Pebble. Fitbit bought Pebble. And they shut down the development of the Pebble 2 and the Pebble Time 2. And then they refunded everybody.

54:07It was a whole thing. And then, if you remember, Google bought Fitbit. Oh, right. So there's just been a bunch of distillation of the IP of Pebble, and not a lot of people have used e-paper displays since Pebble. So that's something we didn't mention. It is a smartwatch, but it is an e-paper display smartwatch. Part of the kind of sell of Pebble is that it lasted seven days. It did very basic stuff. It was very nerdy. It was a very open ecosystem. You could develop for it. It was this awesome community. You could see it in sunlight. You could see it in sunlight. Tiny three-pin charger. It was pretty solid.

54:43I remember that now, the battery life being so long. Yeah. Now, something you might not know is the founder of Pebble is Eric Michikowski, which is the same guy that made Beeper that we talked about a number of months ago. Oh, world. Beeper was that app that basically hooked into iMessage and kind of temporarily disrupted Apple until they shut it down. And I was completely wrong about whether or not that would last. But, you know, here we are. So Eric has been apparently rallying Google for a while now to open source Pebble because they have not been doing anything with it. Yeah, it seems like Google forgot.

55:19I bet Google bought Fitbit and forgot that they had Pebble stuff in there. Yeah, I think they also forgot they bought Fitbit, but you know. Yeah. So yeah, he basically was able to rally Google to open source all of the Pebble stuff. And because of this, he's bringing Pebble back. And e-ink slash e-paper has gotten a lot better since 2012, 2014. So bringing Pebble back could be kind of neat. Like, I don't know. I'm still picturing the same general premise, which is a smart Rotch-type device on my wrist with an e-ink display, a week-plus battery life, and like a decently fast enough refresh that I can get notifications, I can swipe them away, maybe I can, you know, control media on my wrist or something like that.

56:05I like basic stuff like that. I think that would still be pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah. I think that smartwatches generally are very overpowered for what a lot of people use them for anyway. Yeah. And just like on a lot of smartphones, people would trade battery life for functionality a lot of the time. I love that. So Eric is basically starting a new company that is going to use the Pebble OS, but he cannot call the company Pebble because Google still owns the trademark. Of course. So he basically put out this website with a signup form where you can sign up to get updates on when new Pebble stuff is coming out.

56:38Okay. So they won't call it Pebble, but they'll probably have, I'm predicting now, some really punny ripoff name from Pebble that reminds everyone that Pebble existed. Yeah. I believe the website is called RePebble. There you go. There you go. You know. Okay. I got on a call with Eric a couple of days ago to talk about this, just to kind of do some Q &A. You will be able to build, on top of the new hardware, is software because Pebble is going to be open sourced and everything that the new company builds on top of, on top of the software, they're putting back into the open source project. Yeah.

57:12Which is cool. Which means you can build your own hardware basically and like flash it to it. That is pretty cool. Yeah. So this is kind of like an open source device. They are going to build new hardware. So I would love to see what that looks like in 2025 because like you said, the technology has gotten much better. I want a Pebble in the shape of a Moto 360. Yeah. Without the flat tire. Without the flat tire. Well they had the Pebble round. They had the Pebble round. It was basically in the shape of a Moto 360. Bigger, please. Bigger screen. Bigger screen. Other cool thing, because it is open source, it can run on basically anything that has a microcontroller.

57:49If you want to flash your Pebble OS to your fridge, you could probably do that. Someone will probably do that. Someone's going to run Doom on their fridge on Pebble OS. For sure. they are planning on sticking to the core feature set of the original Pebble Eric says that not everyone wants all of the features that you're getting from the Apple Watch and all the stuff like that so that's exciting he put out this blog that was about the things that he learned from having Pebble fail in the first place and someone is working on a port right now so that you can develop on top of it so it's pretty exciting the more you talk about this the more I'm picturing like a pretty simple clean smartwatch like simple watch face step tracker sure maybe heart rate I don't want too much more than that like keep it keep it easy keep it simple keep it like a week plus battery life I think a lot of people would be into that and it would probably be cheaper because you don't have this huge expensive LED display that has to get super bright okay I'm in yeah I'm in Eric had told me he was going to CES to talk to vendors and I was like what for vendors now I know why yeah exactly I'm very curious to see what it ends up looking like for people to build on this thing because the github right now is like all written in C which is very to me difficult to understand so I wonder if there's going to be like an easier way to write for this platform kind of like remember the playdate yeah that thing is like the platform to develop for it was a custom software that they released that is super easy to use like a game builder yeah I wonder if there's going to be something like that.

59:29That'd be nice. Right now he only has four part-time employees working on this. That's all you need. That's all that Google has on it too. Yeah. And they forgot that those people were still working for them. Yeah. I'm very interested to see if the community that loved Bubble in the first place builds this back up. If we get some normies on this thing. I think a lot of people are starting to feel a little bit overwhelmed with how much their technology is tracking them and the overkill of everything right now. We've innovated past the amount that we need. I think the reason that Pebble initially took off and had one of the most successful Kickstarters ever is going to be even more true now.

1:00:11I think people will still like this. What was the reason in your head? Well, it was a way to use your phone a little less. You would get the notification on your wrist so you didn't have to take your phone out your pocket. And then the notification would say, it's a text from someone or it's an email or whatever it is. and then you can just put it down. And then it would just go back to showing the time. And if it's simple, beautiful, shows you the time. And you're not like poking around and doing all the gestures and checking your heart rate and all that stuff. If you just want a simple smartwatch, I think that's, it doesn't have to be$700 smartwatch.

1:00:38It could be a$149 smartwatch and it could do all the things you want. The animations were also very nice. Yeah. Also, this came out when the iPhone 4S was the newest iPhone. So back, yeah, throwback. Is that nostalgia too? yeah I think so it's the square one before they got round and then eventually got square again I think the 5S was the first one I ever reviewed yeah oh wow 5S wow that's to me that's nostalgia yeah pre yeah wow anyway about all for that we'll keep an eye on it okay cool alright well we should take another quick break we got some something or nothing coming up but before that trivia trivia Oh yeah.

1:01:23You're about to pause. I know. Oh yeah. Slacking. So at CES 2018, Lenovo launched a standalone headset running on Google Daydream's platform. Do you remember what it was called? What the Lenovo headset was called? No. Q87986X. Close. You have to put a ThinkPad in front of that. The ThinkPad face. The ThinkPad elite Facebook. Facebook? Damn. I have no idea. Yeah. I'll be totally guessing at that one. Yeah. Answers at the end, though. We'll be right back.

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1:04:22I got you. Yeah. Nothing at all. Nothing at all. All right. First up, iPhone SE4 leak shows single camera and no dynamic island. Is this something or is it nothing? Nothing. I'm going with nothing. Like, it's like, the one thing that's interesting about it is it, usually the SE is in the body of an old iPhone that's already happened. Yeah. Which is why they can make it so cheap. It's because it's the part that they make already. I agree. This one, slightly air quotes new design, which is like, oh, they're making like a new part for this thing. Other than that, single camera does not surprise me.

1:05:00No dynamic rain, no dynamic island does not surprise me. Yeah. So I'm going nothing. Yeah, they're keeping the dynamic island for the nicer phones. The SE is the phone I always buy my mom every seven years, so I don't think she's going to worry about the Dynamic Island. You guys don't think it looks beautiful? The Dynamic Island? No. This is a... I like how it looks. It might have to be like a Nexus 5 almost. I feel like this is going to be Ellis' next phone. Oh, 100%. Oh, because it's small? Because it's small. It's not even that small, is it? Oh, you're right. Isn't it like a 6-inch screen? It kind of looks like an XR.

1:05:34You mean 10R? What? tenor tenor the tenor what they call it in the UK uh yeah I'm sticking with nothing on this one alright yeah nothing nothing so we shouldn't care about it rumored to be an OLED that could be cool but still probably still nothing still nothing alright next up OpenAI launches GPT-4 government edition less than nothing is this just gonna be a repackaged GPT that's more expensive because it's government uh yeah cool cool I think it's also like specifically tuned to government agencies I think it's just ways for open AI to milk the government the top comment on the Verge article is why not DeepSeek it's open source and then the top reply is yeah it's gonna be banned yeah it'll probably be banned within a week what's the over under that DeepSeek is banned in a week it doesn't have the clout yet for like that guy in the Oval Office to do anything about it.

1:06:36It took like a trillion dollars off the stock market. That's actually very fair. Yeah. Totally fair. I do think that, yeah, I think they need Congress to be able to actually ban it, but I feel like they're going to ban it. Wait, so what's the overrunner? Which will be banned first, Lemonade or Deep Seek? Nobody remembers Lemonade. I got 20 ,000 people over there on Lemonade. That's actually true. I got 1 ,700 on Pixel Fed. you know what I looked I looked I have the 18th most popular photo ever on pixel fed wow is it a good photo what is it of I would say so it's of Glacier National Park okay you can't even break top 10 I'm so disappointed wow ever Adam I made my account two weeks ago of all time no that's a flex that's a flex yeah let me flex I respect that anyway GPT for government edition I'm going nothing nothing nothing all right next up Threads is officially getting ads something everything everything this is everything I called it didn't I tell you guys like obviously threads had their like you know moment of exploding onto the scene 100 million users in 5 days whatever it was like everyone's like the headlines are all like this is gonna overtake Twitter this is the thing we finally have a competitor and it's meta so meta's sneakily in the background like yes yes come to threads meta's an ads business but eventually yeah it's meta like we knew that they were eventually gonna do ads so we knew they were building in the background, waiting to find a good time to turn it on, and they're going to turn it on.

1:08:06And it's going to be another meta property with ads and what else is new. Yeah. But I'm saying it's everything. It is everything. Because this is what they do. Yeah. And now they've acquired a lot of users. And then people will migrate to Blue Sky, right? That's the next move. Come on, baby. Because Blue Sky, now think about Blue Sky. 30 million yesterday. Just saying. They passed 30 million users. Blue Sky. Will Blue Sky get ads? I have no idea. 100%. Because they are run by a company. Obviously, they're run on that open protocol, but they're still run by a company. Correct. Servers cost money.

1:08:39Yeah, these things cost money. These employees cost money, so just Blue Sky have to do ads as well. You know Blue Sky doesn't even use AWS? They run their own servers. That's expensive. It's actually cheaper than AWS, which is surprising. With their current volume? Because AWS is expensive. I guess it scales up with volume, so if your 30 million users are active on this thing, it costs a lot. And they charge you for convenience. But you still have to buy those servers and run everything. It still costs money. It costs money, but it is technically cheaper. But yeah. I have been talking to the Blue Sky crew a lot recently, and they said they are thinking about the right time to move the AT protocol into the Internet Engineering Task Force, which if you watched our...

1:09:20Hey, if you watched our special episode... We all just glazed over Internet Engineering Task Force. Come on! Secret history of the Internet. The IETF, they're the same guys that do email. Shout out to them. They have one of the nerdiest sounding names of all time, but I appreciate that. Daddy Vint. Yeah. Daddy Internet. I was emailing with Vint this weekend. It was crazy. It was crazy. I was like, I just have access to it. Yeah, Vint. You mean Big V? Internet zaddy. Our father. Anyway, yeah. So BlueSky Public PLC wants to eventually move the AT protocol into a standards body because they want to instill that trust because currently Blue Sky PLC is the same company that runs Blue Sky the platform and the whole idea is that, you know, they are not the only one on the protocol.

1:10:11So next one. Everything. Everything. It is something for sure. It is something in the way meta moves. Do you think this will matter? What, ads? Yeah. When ads hit, there will be another moment, another reckoning for everyone on threads who has been preaching the word of threads. And they'll have to decide if they're cool with it or not. Yeah, but most people haven't been preaching the word of threads. They've just been on Instagram and then they're like, what's this? Click the button and now you have a threads account. Adam, you're going to start me raging again. Well, there's that movement. There's also the I'm leaving Twitter movement.

1:10:45Yeah. And then when it gets ads, they'll have to be like, I'm cool with that. That's not what I hated about Twitter. That's exactly my point. Everyone is used to ads already. Yeah, exactly. Maybe it's nothing. Maybe this was going to happen the whole time and it's just going to be background nice. It's everything for meta because it'll probably boost their revenue by a lot. Will it? They have WhatsApp and Instagram with 2 billion users. Yeah, but a cool 100, 200 million more isn't that bad. Yeah, I could use another 20 bucks, I guess. Yeah. All you need to do, Blue Sky, if you want to make all that money back, make very highly customizable ads, highly customizable profiles where you can have like a pink background and a song that auto plays when you go to my profile.

1:11:30Nice. I love it. Next on the list is OpenAI's new operator AI agent can do things on the web for you. So did you read these articles about this? No. I did not. Okay. I have an understanding of what it sounds like it's doing based on a headline, but yeah. Maybe is there something deeper? Well, okay. So operator is this new feature that they have with the expensive model that they have. And basically the - The$200 one? Yeah. That's crazy. Basically, it's in research preview mode right now. The idea is that you can say, like, I want to go on a vacation. Can you book it for me? And it'll go to, like, TripAdvisor, and then it'll...

1:12:05I still think this would be a banger video. We should do that. Having AI, like, book a full trip for you. Have AI book a trip to, like, Boston or somewhere nearby and follow the itinerary. Oh, boy. So they have, like, it's very weird. They have specific partnerships right now where it'll use specific websites and services. for all of these things that it wants to do for you, which feels very Rabbit R1-y to me, if I do say so myself. What do they call those, agents? Agents, yeah. Oh, same thing. Yeah. It's basically an agent that goes and does things for you, but you can see it clicking around.

1:12:40It was funny. I believe Casey Newton did this, and it booked it for the completely wrong date. Nice. Something like that. And everyone that has been using it, that has been talking about it on Reddit, says that it's really bad. Like, it barely works. So is this something or nothing? If it works, it's something. But if it doesn't work, or if it works as well as rabbits. Which is not at all. Which, I mean, okay, it's OpenAI, so maybe I have to give them the benefit of the doubt. But I don't know. Do you? I don't know. I am heavy, me personally, in the camp of I want to overthink each individual detail of the things that I'm doing.

1:13:18so instead of asking an AI agent to buy something online for me I want to just double check it's going to the right address and that I will have the right shipping speed and all that stuff and if I'm booking a trip that's even more I tend to think it's already easy enough to do most of these things online the capabilities and the trust level have to merge and both of those things like the capabilities are moving at one mile an hour right now and the trust levels are going the other direction so I don't know I think currently it's kind of nothing and I also don't really think that this is the way that we're going to be using AI agents in the future so like Marquez said I think people just want to make their own decisions I can just book a flight let me look at the flights too instead of me going hey book a flight to Boston for me for this weekend I want to look at all the flights pick a time which one at noon is actually cheaper than the one at 3 p.m.

1:14:18So let me do that one instead. Now I'm going to plan something to do when I land at this time because it's earlier. I want to do that. Yeah, if you can do things like check the available flights and give me options quicker than I could do it myself, then that's cool. You know, there's probably CEOs and stuff that are looking at the$200 a month price and they're like, yeah, book me a flight. Just do it. I don't care which one. And they'll just do it. And they don't think about it. And then they'll get to the airport and they're like, sir, you're going to Paraguay? and it's in three months. I need your passport.

1:14:50Yeah. Yeah. It'll hallucinate. Yeah, I'll see. I'm going with nothing for now. I'm going with nothing for now. Interesting. Okay. Next on the list. iOS 18.3 officially launches, which makes notification summaries italic. If this ain't something, I don't know what is. That's not the official headline. That's what I wrote. Basically, Apple was getting a lot of flack because the notification summaries were saying crazy stuff and just lying a lot of the time because it was incorrect about a lot of things and trying to, especially because it was trying to group multiple things into one sentence, like multiple different events into one sentence.

1:15:27And now, when it has a notification summary, it is italic to signify to the user that it's in beta or whatever. Something. Really? I also think it's something. Shows that Apple's listening is something. They just made it italic. True. Do you think, okay, this is my question. I have not talked to like a normie and been like, hey, your notification summary is, is it more obvious that it's an AI guess now because it's italic? Because I actually hate how it looks now. The italic look is not, not a good look. It's like, it's, so it has to just look different from a regular notification. That's the point of italic, right?

1:16:11Okay, Apple understands that people have seen these AI summaries and don't like them and if we make them look visually distinct from a normal text or a normal notification then that's better than not. Yeah. So that's that. That is something. That is something. It's a thing. I feel like it's something because this is a red flag for just Apple intelligence in general I think. Yeah. summarizations are supposed to be the easiest thing that AIs can do. Like hey, take this thing and summarize it. And this isn't even the full Apple intelligence yet. It's still rolling out. So if they're having problems with this, how do I trust them to be able to actually do a thing in three months?

1:16:57I really want them to do that reach into apps thing. That's supposed to be March. Yeah, I don't even know if there's problems with this. It's just not a useful app, not a useful place to deploy summaries. like when I get a notification of like one single email I don't need you to summarize the email I'll just look at the subject line like that's already good enough when I get three texts when I get three texts in a chat with someone I don't know it's three texts like maybe a summary is useful but all I really need to know is I have three texts from this person context in my brain is like oh I remember what I was talking about with them that's the summary I think there's some value to like the urgency of the text.

1:17:41You know what I mean? Like if it says like urgent request needed, then I'm more likely to stop what I'm doing and go deal with the text than I am if it's just like this person texted you three times. I'm like, I'll deal with it later, you know? Notifications are inherently useful though. Like, yeah, we get a lot of them and they're annoying, but they're there for a reason. So I feel like adding this layer of friction in front of the notification to like summarize it that may or may not be accurate is not really what people want. They are funny, though. Sometimes they are. If I could just go and open the app or swipe down a control center or something and then choose a summary notification, then sure.

1:18:19But to offer it right off the bat by default, it's just another step. Apple only really added AI to appease the shareholders anyway. Bar. This is nothing. This is just more of the nothing. Yeah, more of nothing. Apple intelligence is nothing. you know what happened? I tried to use Apple Intelligence on my Mac when it launched on Mac and I used it on an Apple Note that was a whole script of a video I had written and it summarized it and then I hit Command Z because I was like, oh, and I was just testing the summarization feature and then it crashed and then when I reopened it, I could no longer Command Z it.

1:19:04No. So I lost the entire script. Damn. So that was fun. Damn. Don't test in production, my friend. Oh, my God. It's a bad thing. So I should have copied that note, but that's on me. Anyway. Is it? Is that on you? Yeah, no, it's. No, it's not on you. I'm going to blame it on Apple. It's on them. AI is bad. Okay. Apple intelligence is bad. Next up, David did not win a ticket to the Switch 2 showcase in April, and neither did Adam. Everything. Yeah. This is everything. This is everything. I agree. Switch is so hype. which is so hype so hype dude you had to win a ticket to look at it is that what's happening right correct and you so you applied yep for a chance three chances to look at the thing that you might give the money for later no no I will give the money for it this is crazy let's get back clear hype is out of control dude it is out of control okay so now that you're not able to look at it you're still gonna buy it anyway yeah probably so you just wanted to look at it just to look at it yeah So they basically, they were going to have three different showcase events where you could like play with it early, but they had to ticket it and they had to have a raffle.

1:20:14And so they had multiple sessions for New York, Austin and Los Angeles. Wait, are you, is this paid? No. No. Okay. It's a free event. So this is just a hype cycle. This isn't, this isn't Nintendo making more money. This is them just driving more hype. Yeah. People will show up with a phone and make a 30 second video of it on their phone and put it on YouTube and shorts and TikTok. And they're like, look at the Switch. it'll be like oh my god I want the switch and that'll be it yeah that's like in my content strategy no that's smart that's smart Nintendo's smart everything Nintendo Switch 2 and Nintendo Switch 2 and Nintendo Switch 2 and the last one Boom's XB1 supersonic passenger jet goes Mach 1.1 I put this in here so I'm assuming you think it's something I think it's nothing oh boy this is something the return of the what was it called the Concorde the Concorde if you have time for a tiny story time I can tell you the story we have nothing but time okay so passenger jets and that's it thanks for watching no the Concorde was like that super super fast supersonic plane that did like cross country and transatlantic flights in like no time because it was super fast it was twice as almost I don't know how fast it was it was much faster than so it was basically twice as fast as a normal passenger jet much faster than the speed of sound the speed of sound is like this benchmark of, well, obviously, supersonic travel, but it's a benchmark for speed for planes.

1:21:37Perfect. It's like 800 miles an hour, right? So the Concorde that crashed, you know, sort of retired that plane and we went back to not supersonic travel. But the thing that really hit me about this is, and I remember we probably talked about this months ago, but what did you used to do on a plane before the Concorde when you had a six hour cross country or transcontinental flight. Nothing. You just sat there. There was no internet. There was no TV. There was nothing to do. You just sat there. And so you were highly incentivized to get the faster flight so you could save more time, get to your destination, and then start doing things again.

1:22:13Now, if you have a six, seven, eight hour flight, you're on the internet, you're on your phone, you can do email, you can watch a movie. There's a whole bunch of stuff you can do. So people kind of stopped caring about getting there twice as fast. And they have slowly, gradually ramped up this like prototype of, okay, we can go faster and faster. Then they got to like just under Mach speed and they just did a test run where they went Mach 1.1. So over the speed of sound. Yeah. Their eventual goal is something like Mach 1.7. They want to be able to go twice as fast as passenger jets. Basically, you can go anywhere in the world from anywhere in the world up to 5 ,000 miles in like four hours.

1:22:46Now, it's going to be more expensive. It's the first one. It's going to be pricey. I think United bought like 15 of these things and they're going to slowly start making them. Yeah. Yeah. They got to make them though. This is still in the testing phase of their, okay, validating, we can go Mach 1.1. We still got to go faster and make sure it's safe. But we have purchase orders, and when we start making these bajillion-dollar jets, people will be able to buy a ticket and go from New York to London in three and a half hours. That's sick. Okay, but one thing. We live, we record right next to an airport.

1:23:18Yeah. When you go faster than the speed of sound. Boom. Big, big time noises. Yeah. Yes. That's... Not ideal. One of the downsides. Okay, but there are certain slots of airspace that are approved for supersonic travel. So over the ocean, for example, or in the corridor for going from New York to London are certain paths where you used to be able to go supersonic. They did this testing in one of those corridors. So there are places where it is acceptable to go supersonic. And so I think the idea of being able to get anywhere in no time and probably also still be scrolling your phone on the way, I think is pretty sick.

1:23:59Yeah. That's why it's something. I would love to get to the West Coast in two hours. That'd be amazing. Think about that. That'd be crazy. Think about that. The flight to California is typically five and a half hours for us. Yeah. What if it was two? In 20 years. Well, when they finish making the jets and they start shipping them and the tickets come down in price because they've got a bunch of jets out there. So that's what's wrong with them. Yeah. I'm not getting on that first flight is what I'm saying. No. Oh, obviously. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Nobody's on the first flight. I don't want to be, none of you are allowed to be on the first flight.

1:24:28But the idea is it will be something in 10, 20 years when we are back to these super sick. Like the jets we fly on now are so old. They're not even necessarily old. They're just the same technology as forever ago and we don't really, we're more concerned with like, I mean, we're cramped back there. The legroom's not that great. The internet's not that great. The TV is not that great. We would like to do some upgrading. So I think it's something. I'm excited. Why not just make trains? Because it would take way... I have to channel my... A train to California? I have to channel my inner Ellis here and say bullet trains exist.

1:25:03These are different. Bullet trains exist to certain land-to-land destinations. That is fair. Not in the US. But not to London. Not yet. Not with that attitude. Big tunnel. Big tunnel. An undersea tunnel to Paris. Really big tunnel. And you can put your Tesla on a little track. Yes. And then it'll go... it'll, it'll, there can be, all I'm saying is there can be tiers of travel where like there will still be regular flights like this, but there will also be, this will be an expensive ticket. Yeah. And this will be like, okay, you splurge, you take the bullet train instead of the regular train and you get there in half the time.

1:25:42And it's just an available option. I have a proposition for you. We put all the rich people on the Concorde. They come to you and they say, hey, you can be the first person on this flight and get exclusive video rights and everything. I don't want to be first. Nothing. I don't want to be first. So they're doing these test flights. It's like a Navy pilot and they're going in this specific corridor and slowly ramping up in speed. That's all great. Don't put me on those. Then they're going to get to Mach 1.7 and they're going to be like, okay, we can do this at this speed and it's safe. Now we can, it's almost like car testing.

1:26:22Like when you see the top speed runs from like the Hennessy Venom F5 or some random car that's like, you have to do the top speed run in both directions with all the safety equipment and the professional driver. Once you get past that stage, then you can ship them to regular people and regular drivers. And so you can put real passengers on it and not worry too much. By the way, I'm just Tangent City. These Boeings can go faster, just like our cars can go faster. They're just, they operate at a certain speed. in certain jet ways because it's most efficient for fuel. Yeah. And sometimes I'll get on a plane.

1:26:56This thing is just going to say screw it and just book it. No, it's going to be able to go even faster. But it's going to go at Mach 1.7 because that's what's safe. Mach 4, let's go. Sometimes I get on a flight and we'll be like 30 minutes late from the gate and the pilot will go, we're going to try to make up some extra time in the air. And you're like, what do you mean? Really? And then I'll feel like we're going faster. And you're like, yeah, we caught a jet stream is from downwind and we're actually going to get you 15 minutes early and I'm like you could have done that the whole time? So I'm like why don't they do it the whole time?

1:27:27Because it's like going faster in any vehicle takes more fuel so they have to be more efficient so this is a plane that's going to be capable of going like whatever Mach 2 or something and it's going to go Mach 1.7 and it's going to be it's going to be great. Well I for one am excited to be one of the first to get on one of the supersonic jets from Boom Technologies. Boom XB1. Coming to an airport near you. Hard pass. We'll see. We'll see. Okay. That's all I got. Is that it? Yep, that's it. That is it. That means that we should figure out those trivia questions. Figure out? I think you mean...

1:28:04Where are you going with this? Tell Adam the answers I already know. I feel like I have one of them. I don't know. Question one. David Kaz and Damien Henri were two French Google engineers. With their 20 % innovation time off project, they made something that was introduced at Google I.O. 2014 Developers Conference. In fact, all attendees walked away with one of these things. What was it?

1:28:33All attendees? Um, well, I wasn't there, so I can't confirm that all of them walked out with it. Dude, they would give you freaking Nexus devices at I.O. Yeah, now you got like a water bottle and a t-shirt. Yeah. Disgusting. Although, pretty great water bottle. Two and a half trillion dollar company and they gave me a water bottle? The same one as last year too. Flip him and read. What do we got? I wrote Google Cardboard, but I added a diagram to the bottom. I also added Google Cardboard and added a diagram to the bottom. So we should go by whose diagram is better. Well, first of all, are we right?

1:29:14I was going to say, you are both. Okay, good. I have three dimensions to my diagram. Okay. Oh, Marques wins because it is VR 3D. You need three dimensions. Hold on here. Although cardboard is 2D. 3D now, sucker. It was literally just a cardboard box that you put your phone in. But you have to fold it yourself. That was what was sick about it. Yeah, it was great. It was pretty smart. And it wasn't, I think like it was a Verizon promo or something. Like somebody did it with the packaging of the box that your new Nexus device came in was cardboard. That's interesting. That's hilarious. Oh, yeah, that's right.

1:29:52Yeah, it was awesome. All right, next question. So funny. Going along the same theme. At CES 2018, Lenovo launched a standalone headset running on Google Daydream's platform. What was it called? I don't know if you can tell, but I have complete faith that Android XR is going to be a thing. That's why I keep bringing these review questions.

1:30:17I'll give you a hint. It was the Lenovo Mirage what? Mirage. Mirage what? There's another word there. Mirage face headset. I don't know. Flip him and read. What do we got? The Lenovo Mirage boom? Dang it. But air. Mirage air. Marquez just wants to fly in that airplane. I can tell. The correct answer was the Lenovo Mirage Solo. Cool. Wow, that's depressing. Yeah, it's a little sad. Yep. Because you're the only one who can see the thing. You want to be more lonely? They were the only ones that were realistic about it. That's true. Solo. Yeah, this is the Solo. So you know what you're getting into.

1:31:06No friends. This is like the Asus Republic of Gamers. You have a lot of friends now. Yeah. That's what it's called. Republic. Republic. Democratic Republic of Gamers Well I'm glad I got a point out of that Me too Yeah that was fun Hey let us know in the comments Would you get on a flight That goes faster than the speed of sound If the company was called Boom If they offered you a flight If you're on the first one It's free No It's free You're on the first plane And they go hey pick a destination We'll fly you there for free Oh my gosh What I just remembered a dream I had Like a few weeks ago Was it flight related No well kind of I had a flight related dream recently It was about going to the moon on like a Blue Origin thing, but it was all of us.

1:31:49But we had to do it like individually. Pass. And when it came up to my turn, I had like the worst nerves ever and something went wrong with the system. And I was like, I'm out of here. You are not putting me on the door. Like, yeah, we had some engineering errors. It's going to be an extra 10 minutes. I was like, nah. That's a fair choice. But Brandon was already in space. Oh, no. Wow. Oh, God. All right. well all our witches in the comments please let us know yeah hit us up tell me what tell me what the dream means that's what we really want to know thanks for watching catch you next week see you later we've heard produced by Adam Malia we are part of the Vox Media Podcast Network and our intro outro music is by Vane so do it and Ellis and Ellis

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