Everything From WWDC 2024!

33:57That is basically TV OS. And then last thing, before we get to the ad break, is AirPods. They got a very minor update. You can now answer calls by nodding your head or reject calls by waving your head back and forth. Shaking. Poor Gam Gam in that video. Shaking, yeah. Call from Gam Gam. And also there is now smart audio noise canceling for calls, which is good because the AirPods mics have traditionally not been amazing. I just assumed they had that already. I also did. I swore. So a lot of phones and phone apps have this already, but I guess building it into AirPods, maybe it can be better because of the mics that are in it.

34:37Yeah. So, yeah. Yeah. Anyway, that's most of the non-meat. Wasn't there that whole... The vegetables, you might say. wasn't there a whole thing a while ago where they're at a farmer's market and it zooms into like the apple crate and they can hear them better on the airpods because or is that on the phone it's very possible that they already had some sort of noise can't like sound voice isolation and then now they just have like ultra advanced voice isolation i don't know that's what i thought but uh i don't know and a certain tech company won't ever respond to my emails asking sort of questions so yeah you know yeah all right so with that i think we should go to the trivia question and then we'll come on back were you paying attention that's right oh we're back baby another dub dub another were you paying attention were you paying attention and the opening cinematic of this year's...

35:40Wow, Marquez is like locking in. He's so ready. Opening cinematic, WWDC 2024. Everyone's jumping out of a plane. Remember? Who was piloting the plane? I remember. Yes. Yes. Yes. Do we need to say their full name? I can also tell you the first... Oh, actually, no. I think I know it now. I will accept just their first name. Would you like to know what the name of the OS when the first parachute was because I remember that too. Really? Yes. Do you remember the altitude they were flying at? No. No. I mean, it could be a bonus or something. I don't know. I like that. That's a good question because I know the answer.

36:21So I'm cool with that. Great question. Good question. Primo question. We'll keep that one. Thanks, Marquez. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good stuff. And answers will usually be at the end, so they will be again. We'll be right back.

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38:15When did making plans get this complicated? It's time to streamline with WhatsApp. The secure messaging app that brings the whole group together. Use polls to settle dinner plans. Send event invites and pin messages so no one forgets mom's 60th. And never miss a meme or milestone. All protected with end-to-end encryption. It's time for WhatsApp. Message privately with everyone. Learn more at whatsapp.com. All right, welcome back. So we've gone over all the WWDC things that weren't iPhone or iOS. Now we're going to go over all the things that are iPhone or iOS, but not Apple intelligence. right okay i think this is there's a kind of a decent amount of stuff here not necessarily like a giant update but again it's it's it's 18 years of ios right we've got a very mature relatively stable os so they don't have to change too much and oh oh they just ruined our home screens never mind i take it all back they've ruined our home screens uh they've ruined it oh okay maybe it's a bit of a hot take okay wait yeah sorry because there are basically two opinions on this one new feature this new feature on ios 18 the biggest new feature is you can now put icons wherever you want on the home screen and there's a nice little uh theme engine little tint engine where you can change the color of any slash all of your apps to be the same color with a tint so if you want everything to be yellow or everything to be blue or everything to be puke green you can do that too I want to say I came into the office you guys were here and I immediately was like I thought that was really cool because I've always said that I was also my first reaction I really hate I love on my Android that my home page is clear and I said that's one a huge reason I won't switch to iPhone so I'm seeing this and the changing which also is just material you like that's them just trying to do material you and I you guys come in I was like I think that's really cool and all of you looked at me and went it's not and I was like oh why shut up and they were like it sucks and then like you showed me all these different examples and i'm like wow they did a great job at presenting this because i thought it was pretty cool i have to say with this keynote overall i felt like there was a very large delta between how excited i was based on the keynote and then seeing it in real life and being like hmm yeah i don't know about that so my first impression of the home screen thing was the same as you which is oh finally like this is something i've been wanting oh yeah oh i can move my icons anywhere great like customizing my home screen is a big reason of why i like android same uh and we saw some decent looking examples but then immediately we started seeing on twitter people installing the beta and one of the reasons people would make fun of the iphone is because everyone's home screens always look the same they always all look the same it's your icons all from the top down and from the left to the right.

41:12And I think now you're finally able to ruin your home screen just as easily as make it really pretty. And people aren't very good at making it really pretty. So there are a lot of examples of really ugly home screens on the iPhone now, like creatively horrible home screens. I have so many thoughts here. So that exists now too, the ability to ruin your home screen. I don't have to look at their phones. That's fair. yeah I trust myself to make things look good what if you walked into your house and everything you owned was tinted the same color all of a sudden yeah but I would have had to tint everything the same color yeah but still you would never be like this is better here's the one thing why I think it like at first to me being able to actually tint everything one of the issues with material you was it tried to do that but there were always like three icons that didn't follow suit and that looks terrible i think collectively bad looks better than 80 good and the rest just not even like coherently there here is my take is that android has always been like go wild do whatever you want so hard that they offered icon packs and they allowed people to like build these icon packs that made things look really good and when they released material you you are right they would be like 80 % of the apps support Material You and a few didn't and it sucked, but maybe you could hide them.

42:36But at least Google put a lot of effort into Material You. And what Apple has done is they've been like, we're not giving you any control over this. We are choosing how much control you can have. And the fact that every single app has to be tinted the exact same way on a very basic two-color palette with very little thought into it. It's basically like, what's the primary color on your home screen we're just gonna tint everything that way and you can control the saturation it just i i don't know man i just think it looks really bad i think i'm also a sucker for that highlighter yellow that craig did on the thing with the tennis balls i loved it i think it looked good with the black icon if they had secondary colors on the icons i think it would look good that's something that material you does really well is that it has a primary color and it also has a complementary color apple can't trust you with two colors chill but that's the problem it's like it's black and one primary color and that is it and it just makes it look really cheap and like a child's toy this is it's fisher price material you yeah it's it's we have material yeah yeah yeah and the fact that the entire control that you have is either it's tinted a color or you're just not doing anything to it is kind of ridiculous yeah i'm definitely gonna try some i will say the dark mode looked pretty cool yes the dark mode icons actually looked good so the The dark mode icons now have dark backgrounds, which is different.

44:05I think some people will do some cool things with it. And I think more people will do some terrible things with it. But I don't have to look at their phones. Fair. I will say the tinting, this clearly is a developer beta. So that's going to change over time. But I tried it at the event. And certain colors, if you tinted a certain color, the text of anything on the icon will just disappear. A couple of my icons effectively disappeared because it tinted them the same color as the thing they were right up against. And they just went away and you couldn't see them. Yeah, there's a couple examples I've seen on Twitter of just illegible text around the tint.

44:44This is going to be one of those things where they're like, it's such a simple change. No one could screw this up. And then you release it to the hounds of the public world and then everything breaks. And you're like, wow. Yeah. People are crazy. It was pretty rough. anyway it's interesting that they're now giving users this power but i feel like they need to change the way they do it so i have a segue into the next thing here which is control center and as a non-iphone user i saw this i was like that looks really cool and then you all hopped on me again and went no it's really poorly laid out and i was like wow i don't know what's going on okay so we should explain what this is yeah please explain so control center before and everything up until now has been swiped down from the top and there's all the controls so if you have home controls there they are if you have media controls there they are if you have any other random controls sitting there they're all there uh this new one is paginated so uh you're gonna have to explain what that means to me so there are several pages now of them and they're all oh sort of modular paginated nope i was thinking like yeah beauty pad i've actually never heard that either oh yeah i mean it makes sense now that you explain maybe we're all just idiots oh sorry yeah that's definitely it is pages oh sorry you swipe yeah you swipe down and there's full screen pages of these things so there's the second page is just all of your media controls and you swipe down again and it's just all of your home controls and then also you can expand and shrink a lot of these controls sort of freely so i think the default which is what most people will have and never change looks okay it looks okay but it looks okay i think but the second you mess with it and try to customize it you really get in the weeds and i think a lot of people also make horrible looking uh control centers especially because there's now the ability for third-party apps to add and surface controls that you can add to your control center yeah so So let's say the Tesla app adds one where I can cool down my car with a button.

46:45I can throw that in the control center, which is convenient. But it's also now a new thing that's also there. So it gets kind of messy, I think. When there's those terrible third-party weather apps that have the worst design in the world and are making widgets. But you know they're also the most accurate weather ones, so you have to keep using it. Yeah. There's a few things here. I think that the idea is really cool. I think that if you actually spend the time to organize it in a way that makes a lot of sense and works for you It's really cool that they're giving everybody this much control and that's where I live yes Like setting it up spending a way too much time like making it awesome Yeah, which is not very Apple and it's surprising that they're now doing this.

47:26Yeah, um, but I can appreciate it I can I just jump in? Yeah I think that's why I think it's so cool though because I like my screen to have very few things So if I can think of a good wallpaper, four icons that I've tinted to a color that I like, because it's only a couple, right? And then now a swipe down with multiple different swipes in there that don't always live on my home screen and I can control everything from there. If I customize all that perfectly, that's the closest I've been to wanting an iPhone. That's fair. I do think that default could use some work. it now takes an extra step to get to your Wi-Fi settings because when you scroll down now you have to tap into this bubble that has a bunch of your networking stuff in it and then you have to hold the Wi-Fi setting to pop up the Wi-Fi context menu and then you have to hit the Wi-Fi button and then it brings you to the Wi-Fi page in the settings.

48:15It's like a five-step process just to try to find the Wi-Fi network to connect to. And then the other problem is that on the pagination there are there's a lot of pagination i don't know beauty pagination pagination sure okay pagination there there's a lot of redundant information so the first page has like all of these options that you can use and it's kind of like all the things that were generally in control center before we're going to put in the first page but then it also paginates everything so the last menu is all your radios but those radios are already in the first menu as well so it's just like weirdly redundant and that i'm just reiterating like if you actually take the time to sort these out and make them the way that you want them to be i think it's great so do that yeah that's good do that when it comes out nice yes yes do that yeah i think you know generally home screen customization is good i think if you zoom out in the broad scheme of things this still isn't really that much customization you can move your icons wherever sure you can tink your icon sure but there's still so much more that you can still do on android i remember back in the day i had an i had a i had an invisible icon home screen setup yeah so i had a wallpaper that had text on it and then i had mapped invisible folders to each text so that i'd hit the text on the wallpaper and it would blow up like a section it was just crazy like you could do all sorts of stuff like that and yeah this is just a couple more icons speaking of invisible folders they also added hidden folders which just got added on Android by the way oh really?

50:03some Android phones had it already and I think maybe AOSP just added it yeah because I remember there's been phones that have had this but yes you can hide apps in a hidden apps folder I have a question about this because of the way they presented it he did that joke where like Craig was like hiding the hair 3d modeler thing but he dragged it to a hidden folder but on the page you could still just see what app was in there yeah so like to close the loop of like locking logging out or whatever does yeah does the the folder then hide what is in there or can i just be like oh here's the hidden folder i can see all the apps that are in there no so so there's a you know how there's the all the way to the right of the home screen there's i don't all these yeah yeah there'll be a a hidden apps one at the bottom and then it'll just be like you won't see what's in there but it'll be blank and you have to unlock it again with your face id and that'll be cool your hidden bad presentation yes part on that yeah uh and besides that folder you can also now lock individual apps so that they require uh bio authentication to be able to open them in general like each time yeah yeah so that's good i guess yeah i really really don't want you to open my instagram yeah do you want to know what my least favorite feature is in ios 18 what genmoji same what your least favorite feature i thought you would be on my side with this okay i feel mixed about it i feel mixed about it okay wait till you see what android phones see so i've always had this theory where you know when they finally added rcs to i message they caught up a lot of the features that android phones didn't have so now you have typing indicators and high resolution media and all this stuff and so they just went what if we add a bunch of other stuff that isn't supported again so we have a continual divide between iMessage and not iMessage yeah and basically impossible to support in the future if it's generated this is a lot so this is malicious compliance for sure plenty i just want to say when i first saw the generated the genmoji and then i know we'll talk about it later the image playground sticker integration thing i was like wow this is disgusting and gross but the more i thought about it the more i realized this is exactly how i text and this is going to save me like this morning like it was an essential message that i put in slack i needed a picture of nos the rapper looking really disappointed and like i looked all over the internet i eventually found one the joke landed everyone laughed but if i could just and i'm already like always opening runway on my phone and being like disappointed nos or whatever it is i need that day so i think this really streamlines it for me streamlines the process okay but we didn't actually describe what happens so so yeah there are now more than the normal six tap backs so a tap back just just is the official name for like the six reactions the thumbs up thumbs down the haha the heart you know the ones you already know are there uh apple's gone you know what you can do any emoji as a tap back now yeah so literally any emoji and if i'm on android and i get one of those texts it just it's gonna say the same text of like marquez reacted with star emoji like great now that if it's a different emoji so google messages hard-coded the six tapbacks the standard ones that the apple was doing so that it now just smashes it on yeah but now apple was like hmm my turn google now i'm just gonna let you react with any emoji go ahead and hard code all of these.

53:36And hard code ones that don't exist until someone generates them. So we're not talking about Genmoji though we're just talking about regular emojis. All the regular emojis. So that's already a thing. But now there's also Genmoji. Genmoji generating your own emoji and you can also tap back a Genmoji as a reaction. So there's just no way that can work both ways. It's just only going to work inside iMessage. I'm okay with that though. I just wanted encryption from RCS. That's fair. If iMessage is going to build features on top of that, that's fine. WhatsApp does it. Telegram does it. You know, like, not a big deal.

54:12I envy you. Because there are so many kids out there getting bullied because they don't have the Genmojis, man. They can't send back a Genmojis. It really does feel to me like Apple is maliciously complying. They're like, we're getting sued for this. Fine. We'll add what you want. But we're going to make the experience terrible regardless. We're going to make sure it's still terrible. Did you notice RCS is still green in the presentation? Same color green too. I actually did analyze that. Was there any response in the crowd for the half of a second they mentioned RCS? Yeah, people like cheered for a second.

54:44Okay. And then they moved on so fast that they didn't have any time to do anything. It was a fleeting mention by Craig. So yeah, the Genmoji is interesting because it was trained on the Apple Emoji set. So whatever you develop looks exactly like an Apple Emoji. It looks realistic, which is cool. you can also now tap back with stickers which if you don't know what a sticker is basically you can like cut out any image with the semantic segmentation thing that they have in the photos app and just lob it into your chat and then it can just be in your chat horrible messy chat I love them yeah discord has it and we have some great stickers on our discord but the stickers are like they're at least attached to the messages because you can throw stickers just in as messages you can throw them all over the place iMessage The way iMessage does it is ridiculous.

55:30You can literally paste it anywhere in the field. But now you can also tap back with the sticker. It won't show it in the emoji tap back area. It'll hang it on the bottom. It's so horrible. It's ridiculous. Chaos. We're vandalizing messages. There's like superscript and subscript and all kinds of crazy things. We mentioned it, but the animating different words inside of text messages. is also the amount of sarcasm that you can portray in a text message now. I think I'm switching to iPhone just for that. Just so that your iMessage friends will see the sarcasm. Yeah. So there are now text effects for individual words that you want to do.

56:09So iMessage had all these features where if you said happy birthday, there would be balloons that would go up. If you said happy new year, there'd be fireworks. It automatically did all these things. And you could also make certain texts like big or small or yell. and it was like six different effects like that. They added a bunch of extra effects and now you can make it happen to individual words. So you can have a string of words and just add different text effects to different words and it's crazy. And now there's also text formatting. So you can strike through, you can bold, you can underline, which personally, I think everything should have text formatting.

56:44So that's good. But it really does feel like texting apps are now just becoming synonymous with all of these internet-based messaging apps. Like they're pulling in all of the features. Just full on WhatsApp. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty much. They probably feel a lot of pressure and they're just like, we have to have offer feature parity to get people to still want to use iMessage. Here's another nice little one that's exclusive to iMessage. Scheduled messages. Oh my God. The way these work is just with iMessage. So if you want to do a scheduled iMessage, you can type out the message. By the way, you can just do this on an Android phone and it just works.

57:18but if you want to schedule an iMessage you can write it out and you can go through the UI and decide when you want to send it and because it's going through iMessage specifically it can also work if you lose cell connection or if your phone dies because it's already in the iMessage cloud and will go to that iMessage user cool no not great that it doesn't work everywhere play the clip and then there's also messages via satellite which will be via sms or imessage but not rcs yeah they said that they reduced the protocol they spent a lot of work shrinking down the imessage protocol to make it work over satellite and i was like i would like to see proof that that is true because that definitely seems like a thing you would just say yeah um but yeah so the schedule send messages thing their reasoning for that was that you know if your phone dies or you lose your phone or whatever it'll still send personally i'm like i don't really want a scheduled message to send if i lost my phone or if my phone dies because then if the person replies right away i'm not going to reply yeah you know i don't know it's i think it's a bad reason because androids had it forever and they should just do what android did but they will never do that yeah okay there's so much stuff guys there is so much stuff uh updates to the mail app.

58:46Not a ton of updates here. We'll get into more of the updates later yet. The mail app now has categories. It looks just like Gmail. Here, wait. I can do a whole bunch of these really quick. Okay. The mail app now has categories like Gmail. The maps app now has topographic view, and you can do offline hiking maps like all trails. Another Sherlock moment. You can now do tap to send people cash, you know, kind of like Venmo. Without having them in your contacts. Without having them in your contacts. Just tap them. You can now use game mode. Same as maybe any Android phone with a game mode. It should reduce background activity, free up some RAM, and reduce latency.

59:24Great. Photos app now has a little bit of a redesign. And we'll get into the AI stuff in a bit. RCS, it happened. And also... that's it yeah that's the good stuff Yeah, that's most of the good stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Basically, there's a ton of changes to iOS 18. iPad OS 18 got a lot of these same changes. Same home screen. You can make it look like puke. The control center is the same mess until you fix it. And now there is a new intelligent tab bar in certain Apple apps that will sort of float above the content of those apps. and you can change around the way it works. So it's basically like a sidebar that you're now putting on a tab bar.

1:00:14Yeah, that's clever. Which I think is very similar to what Android phones have been doing, the bigger Android phones that have the little contextual bars at the bottom that let you hop around. I think they kind of took that from that. There's a new SharePlay feature now, which is basically just for kids and people our age that have to do tech support for our parents. It's exactly what it's for. Yeah, so now you can... I can remote in. Yeah, you can remote into someone else's iPad, because of course your parent has an iPad. And you can show them your taps so that you can teach them how to do things on their iPad.

1:00:46And also you can just take over their iPad remotely and do stuff for them. I have a question about this. Can you do it on a computer or do I also need an iPad? Look, they showed it with another iPad. So I believe you need another iPad. I think you need another iPad. Yeah. But the most impressive, exciting thing about the iPad iOS 18 or iPad iOS 18 is the calculator.

1:01:14You did it. We did it, Joe. I was so ready to dunk on this. I was so ready to dunk on this. You had the Craig clip already pulled up and edited. I had it queued up. I was ready to send it. There's that. Okay, for those who rewind a little bit. The iPad has not had a calculator app for many years. Ever. And to the point where it's kind of a meme, like the iPad is the most powerful tablet in the world, but also why there's no calculator app. Like it's kind of a joke. They needed M4. Well, so then I finally asked Craig Federighi, head of software at Apple, and he wasn't kind of expecting the question, but he gave me one, which was, you know, we haven't done it just because when we do something new, we actually want to be able to do it in a way that's like, wow, what a great thing that they did.

1:02:03So we just haven't gotten around to the calculator yet. and I along with the entire rest of the internet and the entire comment section went that's kind of a joke of an answer you could have done a calculator a long time ago yeah and so they started to actually tell us in this WWDC hey guys we actually we made a calculator for the iPad and they showed the first screenshots and it looked exactly exactly like the iPhone and I was like oh you waited years to just give us this and there's nothing here yeah and then they pulled up a button in the corner that said math notes and he took off the apple pencil and they started doing handwritten math and i went oh wow they did it they actually delivered on the promise of a calculator that is really impressive and unique for the ipad now the spoiler is this is also coming to the iphone but we're gonna ignore that yeah we're gonna ignore that because math notes is amazing so what is math notes math notes is literally if you like hand write an equation and it's mostly simple equations it doesn't do calculus or anything but if you just hand write an equation three plus five equals in your handwriting just write equals and it will write the answer it will write the eight in your handwriting too which is pretty sick it's pretty awesome it can do division long division order of operations any equation you write you just hit equals and it'll solve it for you it'll recognize your handwriting and do the math that's amazing it can also do graphs for you it can also do adjusting graphs based on sliding around your variables it can do variable recognition change you can set your variables at the top of the page and then it will know that g is 8 plus 14 plus 9 yeah it's and the way you can adjust it is like if x is equal to 8 but you want it to be it has like a slider and you can slide like up 8 9 10 11 12 and like back and it'll change all of the equations that reference that live adjust in references david g is actually 9.8 meters per second square yeah that's true it actually is but that's actually 9.81 meters but the fact that it does all that through recognizing your handwriting and in basically real time i've never seen that before it's very impressive i don't know if i would actually use this but if i was in 10th grade physics again i would be using this i would it's very cool it works like i was thinking about when i was in physics class and it works the exact same way where you set all your variables at the top of the page and you start writing out the equations and it just fills in everything for you and the cool thing about this is it's it's not like taking away you doing the math in your brain it's just taking away the parts that you had to punch into a calculator separately yeah so you're still like you still have to know like okay gravity is this and so if i'm multiplying gravity by this then you're getting this you're still working out the equation on your own in your head it's just that instead of punching something into a calculator it's just doing that in real time yeah which is very cool you still need to know the y equals mx plus b you still need to know like the equations you want to use but the fact that it actually does the math yeah i mean it should it's a powerful computer but yeah it does And it works in a way where you can change a variable, like lower down the page.

1:05:23So if you set G to something up here and then lower down the page, you say G equals this. It'll now know that G equals that just because it's lower down the page. So it works from the top left to the bottom right. Just a lot of very well-considered stuff. Yeah. I was impressed. I think it's really cool. You said they delivered. Do you still think this was worth the, what, 10-year wait to have a calculator on the iPad? Yeah, because Google can do calculations too. and I just did that. This was really cool and a great presentation but feels like to wait that long for a calculator. This was not worth not putting the calculator on.

1:06:02I've never seen anything like this before. I'm not saying I've seen anything like it before. I think what Andrew's saying is they could have just done the basic calculator view and then added math notes later. Which is true also but the argument that we all called BS on was we wanted to deliver something really special and we thought they were just going to do a regular calculator. So the fact that they delivered on something really special is why I'm like, They delivered on something? They delivered, yeah, I think. Fair. I think it took way too long to do this. I was going to say, could they have done this like four years ago?

1:06:31You think they needed their current capabilities? You said this works A14 forward. A14. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Which actually a few generations ago. Yeah. So now that they've built it and you may have an older iPhone or an older iPad, you can still use this, which is cool. um but yeah the fact that so this comes from one of the other features which we'll get into the stuff later but script smart script smart script is another very interesting version of this where it's not quite ai but you can write in the notes app in your handwriting and it will as you're writing live straighten it to be on a straight line it'll clean up some of your letters to be more legible yeah it'll auto correct it will auto correct in your handwriting it will justify it'll justify it so if you're like writing like this it straightens it and then it also puts it against the net yeah really i think this is really cool and like you can scribble things out and it'll just erase it it's just like reformat and fill in the text yeah yeah all of that is in the same vein to me like all this is really clever and a good use of like if you happen to have an apple pencil and an ipad this is potentially game-changing awesome note-taking for you i need to see how it handles handwriting because i have horrific handwriting so we're working on some videos about these features and we're using them right now not going to show them on camera because we're technically not allowed to yet but david no offense no offense but your handwriting was a really good it was in cursive it was a good test i wrote it david's four looks like a nine it was a good test um that's just embarrassing i can't believe you brought that back up so we're gonna try this a lot more but i i think that's kind of hand in hand with the math notes thing i will say i thought the math notes got it wrong and then i just realized that my four looked exactly like a nine yeah so you do have to have okay handwriting of which i do not um but yeah it's very cool they thought it out really well you can access math notes from the calculator app you can also access it from the notes app you can just hop into math notes from there and the way that they index it is when you hop into math notes it looks exactly like the notes app so you have all the separated notes that you can name and you can like index by certain time and stuff like that um and it's just a separate section of the notes app now but it will open it in math and save a bunch of them yeah it's really freaking cool i i honestly if i was in sixth through twelfth grade I would buy an iPad for this feature.

1:09:03I kind of want an iPad for just smart scripts. I think it's really cool. And I've been leaning towards wanting an iPad lately. I don't know. iPad needs MagSafe. I know they wouldn't have announced it at this, but MagSafe on an iPad would be nice. Wait, MagSafe or? MagSafe for accessories on the back. Because I wanted a handle accessory that I could just pop off really easily or to be able to prop it up on things, but not affect the actual design without a case. Yeah. they couldn't have added it at wwdc yeah but i do i do want an ipad with magsafe just so it can be like a smart home like we talked about that for years so guys stop leaking there are a ton of magnets in the ipad already and the way the folio attached to the back it's not called magsafe but it slaps on the back so here's exactly what i want it for do you know how we have the robot ipad and i have that little handle on the back i had to adhere a piece of velcro onto it so if i I could have a strap that I could hold with one hand that I could just onto the back that's first party and I know it's gonna hold it.

1:10:04And I can just pop it off. That'd be sick. That would be awesome. Right now you should put that handle on the folio. Like cut the front of the folio off and then like put the handle on the back of the folio so you can just pop the whole thing off and it'll just slap on with magnets. That sounds. Or they can just add MagSafe. Yes. I want it because I want it to work the same way that the pixel tablet works where it's like a it's like a yeah it's a visual apple home device that shows you your photos and everything and then when you use your ipad because i don't feel like i would use the ipad that often but if it doubled as a home device what's the why can't i remember the name of the iphone where it's like landscape next to your computer oh that's called um standby standby imagine an ipad mini was exactly or any i was standby mode that's the thing we finally have an oled ipad but it doesn't do standby yeah it could and they made it thinner which i'm like if you have to put mac if you put magsafe in it then you have to put a bunch of wireless charging coils so how do you do that i guess they would want it to be they would want it i don't care if it's wirelessly charging but They're going to want to make it.

1:11:17It is metal. Maybe they can make a glass circle on the back or something. Wait, why would it matter that it's metal? Because you can't wirelessly charge through metal. Yeah, inductive wireless charging doesn't work through metal. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Really? Yep. That's why the iPhone has glass on the back. Andrew, I just sent you an iPad pistol grip. I think that might solve your problem. Well, while Andrew looks up the pistol grip on the iPad, we should take a quick break, which does mean we've got time for some more trivia trivia dude this looks oh no trivia music were you paying attention oh oh boy you mentioned craig's joke app of hair track pro while discussing hidden folders on ios but do you remember what hardware he demonstrated pairing with the HairTrack Pro?

1:12:11Yes. You do? Question mark. I need the full name and you'll get... Or the technology used in the full name. I'll take either one. For a point. Okay. Marquez is so confused he's out of focus. Mentally and physically.

1:12:34We'll be right back. Thanks.

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1:14:08And even better, you only pay for results. There's no need to wait. Speed up your hiring with a$75 sponsored job credit at Indeed.com slash podcast. Terms and conditions apply. Welcome back. And now we are going to talk about the AI section of the presentation. Not that kind of AI. Not that kind of AI. Allen Iverson. This is now a 76ers podcast. I'm talking about. Yes. But I just had a question for David and Marquez before we jump into this. How was it at the event? Because we all didn't go this year. So like what was the vibe like when you were sitting there during this part? Because for this part, for me, sitting here in the studio watching it on the TV, it was kind of boring.

1:14:51Was that the same vibe in Steve Jobs? Very interesting thing. usually dub dub is two hours and they go over each feature for like a little bit and then they move on this year they did the entire keynote in one hour and then did an entire hour for the AI portion so at the beginning they were just like rapid and now the Apple watch has this feature and also you can do this and then now we're on this oh tvOS time it was just like boom boom boom boom boom yeah so they kind of drew out the AI feature a little bit but there is a lot there so i mean what do you think yeah it kind of felt like a youtube video design for retention we all went there knowing that they were going to talk about ai and they spent the first hour going they they literally said ai zero times in the first hour actually and we noticed that we were like how many times i'm gonna say ai it was zero they talked through a whole bunch of stuff and we were curious about it and there's some good stuff in the calculator blah blah but then when tim cook came back on stage it was this moment of okay the keynote is either about to end or it's about to begin yeah and that was the beginning and he said a artificial intelligence for the first time and then there was a sort of a you know all right here we go for the second half yeah warm up in the first half they literally kept skirting the words so much they said generative intelligence once they said intelligence multiple times and it's kind of crazy because they actually did say ai eight times in the ipad m4 keynote and then they just were like you know what we're not gonna do that he said it once just to dunk on it yeah so yeah yeah okay so that was like the vibe there was just very like like anticipatory like oh it's about to begin now i think so okay we all we all knew it was coming i'm sure there were some people there who were like oh wow intelligence yeah let's talk about that too but i think most of us knew it was coming so that happened they uh they did it they rebranded ai to apple intelligence it's apple intelligence for them now the meme is real great i'm sad none of us guessed that it's so obvious there to be fair we did do that entire video on things they didn't say and refuse to say and the reason that i i theorize that they didn't do that is because they didn't really have control over this word in a lexicon like virtual reality they don't say virtual reality or vr because other companies kind of own that now and if something goes crazy with vr they can always say oh we don't do vr we do this other thing over here there's all these buzzwords that are now associated with like negative things like metaverse or crypto like it's all just like scams and money pits so they just don't say those words and ai for the longest time was one of those words and instead of continuing to say machine learning or whatever there's so much pressure from the world that we live in that they have to be an ai company like they just have to own it they have to talk about AI.

1:17:39So they're doing AI, but it's Apple's way. It's AI when it's positive and it's Apple intelligence when AI has a negative connotation. Exactly. Right. Best of both worlds. They have their cake and they're eating it too. They have diet. So to be perfectly clear, Apple intelligence specifically is using these new generative models, not just the regular AI stuff. So these are the diffusion models these are the large language models to do things locally on the phone using apple built models instead of just the ai features we already know and love from other stuff that's the main difference so whenever you see a writing tool or a generator to fill in a background of a photo or new things that use these these models like image playgrounds and all this sort of stuff that we're going to talk about like gen ai all of that falls under the apple intelligence umbrella Which makes a lot of sense.

1:18:34As much as I'm annoyed that they just like rebranded it to be based on their name, I am equally annoyed that the entire industry just took the word AI and decided that transformer based large language models or transformer based diffusion models are now all AI. I hate that. So it is kind of cool that they're separating it. Kind of wish they didn't do it by saying we're the only one that exists, but that Apple is going to Apple. So, yeah. Yeah. So I think my general thought, well, actually, I think we should just start with the fundamentals, which is these are all Apple built models. I don't think that was super clear watching the presentations.

1:19:14Yeah. But these are Apple built models. And yes, we asked the question, what is this trained on? And we got a lot of the same answers. Publicly available information, licensed data, free things available on the web. that's kind of all you get to know about how apple trained their stuff but your marty answer yeah and i didn't you know i didn't really get to dig or interview because like i said at the beginning like there was no time to actually ask follow-up questions in this interview i would have loved to have asked him about this stuff and follow it up and i probably still will try to ask but the point is apple made all these models and the thing about these generative models is some of them are small enough and can perform tasks on device, which is the preferred fastest method.

1:19:58You can do things offline. They all happen quickly in the silicon. But there are occasionally large enough or complex enough requests that you need to take advantage of a larger model or something that has a little bit of a wider training set or whatever it is. So Apple's larger models live on Apple built servers that they will communicate with to do some of these larger requests. And then finally, if you ask Siri or ask the writing tool something that specifically draws from like world knowledge or something that Apple's set of training doesn't really include, it will actually literally ask you, do you mind if I go to ChatGPT for this one?

1:20:45And ChatGPT is what they figure is the best one right now. They've opened the door to possibly adding Gemini and others in the future. But it will literally ask you, can I send this request to ChatGPT? And you can approve at any moment. So any explicit request for uploading a photo or uploading data from a query, it's all free. You don't need an account. You can log in with an account if you want to, to string those things together. And to use the pro features of ChatGPT. And I believe if you connect to your ChatGPT Pro account, that information will also show up in your ChatGPT portal. Right.

1:21:24Yeah. So that's the basics of how these models work. Yeah. So all of that comes down to like what are the features that you get out of these models that are now on the phone and on Apple servers. And they are things like writing tools. so anywhere there's a text cursor in macOS or on your phone you can proofread you can have things rewritten in different styles or in different amounts of text you can shorten things all of those writing tools are potentially really useful you can have it summarize your phone's notifications or sort of decide it's almost like the same thing we just saw on Android I don't love this it's kind of weird so they now have priority notifications.

1:22:09And basically, I think that this is just their way of cleaning up how terrible iOS notifications have gotten where you get 8 ,000 notifications on your page. But now it'll show you priority notifications based on a number of factors like when it was sent. If there's text inside of the notification that says things like tonight or in two hours or something like that, it'll surface those to the top. That's cool. The thing I don't love about it is that it just summarizes the notification and tells you something here so if my friend kylie texted me it'd be like kylie wants to know when you want to have dinner instead of just showing me her message that says do you want to when do you want to have dinner tonight and that just feels a little bit impersonal but it is it does act in a way that a actual human personal assistant would act right it's giving you notifications and you click on it and then you can reply to a text so there is that i I think there was also if certain apps are sending too many notifications and you're not actually like using them or going through them.

1:23:11Yeah. So it can use the figure that out and prioritize ones that you actually are responding to and activating. Yeah. Which I thought seemed pretty cool. The Google Home app. Well, if I don't do anything, it'll just send me notifications of there is motion. There is motion. There is motion. There is motion. And I don't click it ever. But then it might be like the doorbell just rang. I don't need to know about all the motion stuff, but I probably do want to know about the detail. So stuff like that. But I still want you to record all the motion. Yeah. Exactly. Some of those settings are really annoying in Google Home.

1:23:40And then there's all the generative stuff. So there is a new feature in the Apple Photos app, which will let you do exactly what Magic Eraser does on the Pixel and all the Google phones, which is it'll figure out what's the foreground, figure out what's the background and unwanted subjects and allow you to erase them. Yeah. It does this actually, I think, a little bit better than Magic Racer does right now. It's pretty clean. Yeah. Speaking of clean, they call the feature Cleanup. So you click the Cleanup button and then it highlights automatically the objects that it thinks you want to get rid of, which is already pretty cool.

1:24:12Google's also does that. Oh. It's just not as colorful and pretty. Got it. Yeah. But then also, they'll circle something else and remove it, which cleverly would obscure part of your circle if it went behind the subject. Just little stuff like that. Yeah. That works better. Yeah. Sorry. I was just saying, I immediately noticed that and when David came in I was like was that on purpose or like a bad edit or but like no it's it's recognizing the subject and circling behind it so you're not worried about like chipping off your shoulder because somebody walked right behind right with magic eraser you had to be very careful about making sure that you didn't actually erase over something else but because this is doing that semantic segmentation where it knows where the foreground and the background is if it sees you circling over the background first you can still hover over the foreground and it'll only erase the background yeah which is very smart yeah there's also uh the image playground app which will literally let you this is so weird but it's literally just an image generation app it'll give you a little square image of whatever prompt you want in literally one of three styles what are the styles it was drawing illustration sketch and something else right a very big like a super limited image generation very basic and so that makes it very clear why you should also have the ability to go to chat gpt and generate other images because these aren't great these are very limited yeah they they made a dedicated image playground app too which i don't it's kind of weird it's it basically is like a dedicated dolly tool yeah and you can use it to create images and then it upscales it and then you can use it in other apps and stuff this is the one thing where I'm like Genmoji made sense because we already had these emoji and now you're just generating new emojis in the Apple Emoji style but this is just like an image generation tool built onto the device which I'm like does anyone actually like that?

1:26:09I thought they showed a few good examples whether those specific ones were because I know you guys were talking about this before but one of them was like is that Image Playground? Sorry I already forgot what it's called. Yeah Image Playground. Like if you were in Notes and say you were writing something and you wanted to have an image if you like drew a circle then it would take the context of things you were writing around plug those in you can add anything and then it would create an image that fits with yeah so that's called magic wand oh sorry that's the same thing it's using that to get in there yeah the way it connects through the other first party apps i thought was pretty cool do you know what they should do with image playground let you connect it to whatever an emoji was using so now you can create something and then no no no an emoji where you used to be able to make you make a shark talk oh yeah so now in image playground i could create a bunny chef and i could speak as the bunny chef yo tim are you watching this tim cook are you watching 19 baby that's gonna happen yeah yeah so that's all stuff that's you know different levels of useful and i guess the last one that got a big update is siri yeah siri is gone forever without any major updates and this being the first big one it gets a new animation it's got this full outside of the screen like you know pretty subtle but nice animation when you talk to it we haven't heard a new voice but there seems to be some rumblings about a new voice so we'll check out if there's any voice updates um by the way i watched her on the plane just throw that one out there podcast canceled this is all we're talking about it's not so i can confirm that the new series is not scarlett johansson's voice but now when i hear scarlett johansson's voice i think of her the movie what'd you think yeah rate it decent movie decent movie i thought you know it's not my typical style of movie but i i would say i'm glad i watched it and i appreciated a lot of the takes about the different pros and cons of relationship with AI.

1:28:17That's what I wanted. Me personally, six. Cool. Me personally. They got some things really right. Things they got right, everyone uses AirPods. Things they got wrong, everyone uses Surface Duo. Yeah, I guess I didn't know when the movie came out when I watched it. Now knowing that it's a 10-year-old movie, it was like, oh, they got a lot of stuff. One year before AirPods. Yeah, the earpiece thing was solid. Also, when she generates music and generates pictures and she's like it's a new update and uh i don't know yeah yeah so that yeah anyway it's cool we've all seen her now except for oh right except for him andrew himi manganelli i've never seen her yeah so manganelli manganelli yeah siri siri has a whole bunch of abilities and coming later this year i think are some more even more important abilities which are the ability to plug into and take actions inside of apps yeah um you remember when bix that was like bixby's thing where i could like set my alarm for 7 30 and also send uh my address to like send a text with my address like it could do things for you inside of apps siri is going to get that ability and with third party apps as well yeah that could be cool and when is so this is something i was a little confused about maybe you guys got do you know when that's coming later this year yeah because they like very quickly segmented the ai sorry the apple uh intelligence part where they said that and then they were like and there's lots of other new things coming to siri after the launch and then very quickly went into these new things which was like the in-app siri integration yeah so it's not coming out when ios 18 and who knows honestly okay seems like that one is post-launch hard to say it sounds like my prediction of siri being very whelming is on the right track.

1:30:10Yeah. Does she give it like an Apple marketing name? Like maybe like a like because it's like an AI that goes and like uses apps for you like a cute animal name like Lamb. I don't know. That'd be kind of fun. Yeah. Something like that. So there's a there's a lot to talk about with the new Siri. It's very interesting. She got a new logo but only in the new Siri versions. So the new logo sort of looks like it looks like a neural network but without the neurons going in between each other so it's sort of the circular neural network um and it only exists on the phones and on 15 pro and 15 pro max because it requires the a17 pro chip or m1 forward laptops and max yes which yes does mean that old iphones and iphone 15s will have a different siri yeah from the new iphone 15 and the watch still has the old siri watch still has the old siri yeah so there's now two different and the home pod it's weird so yeah home pod not getting better with the new siri yeah i know you guys had hopes for the home pod yeah um kind of reminiscent of assistant and bard in a weird way not that there's that big of a delta between functionality which is hard yeah exactly the artist probably so just this this delta in functionality apple's being i don't want to say in more intentional it feels a little bit intentional but it's also yeah it's like the newest silicon is the most capable so at least i get it whereas google's feels more accidental like yeah we're focusing on one thing and forgot about the other one yeah but it is yeah it is kind of weird that there will not be new siri on iphone 15 yeah it is weird the the biggest updates are really the more natural language processing so now next to where stuff yeah yeah they intentionally like all of their demos were like hey siri set my alarm for seven you know what i don't like getting up that early set it for 9 30 you know i one of my pet peeves was the way apple i'm i'm roasting them for no reason right now but the way apple employees fake a bad prompt yeah it's so bad it's pretty bad uh set an alarm for, um, just kidding, set a timer for two minutes.

1:32:26Like, no, okay, great. You're very clear about what you want us to do there, but how does it work in the real world? Usually I just stumble over my words or use the wrong keywords. Yeah. Which is good, it's cool, because when Google Assistant first came out in 2016, Adam and I were both working for Android Authority, and I remember my boss at the time had no idea how to prompt these things. So these Google Homes came out, and he was like, hey, G, um, can you, uh, can you like what um i don't know like maybe like tell order some stuff for me from the groceries he was literally like this and i had to be like you can't talk to it that way you have to use very specific keywords yeah um so now you can which is very cool more human like very human like um and then i think the fact that you can ask it to do certain things in your phone is really awesome there they added some really cool examples like there was a play the podcast that jamie recommended yeah which is awesome because it's then it's reaching into all your communication with jamie whether it's an email or messages this was the moment to me that cemented that rabbit and humane never had a chance percent this not that i mean we were blips on the radar these standalone ai devices don't know anything about you and also stubbornly refuse to connect to your phone so they don't know anything about your contacts anything about your lifestyle where where you live any of this stuff that your phone knows and obviously tim cook like emphasized ai must be personal but clearly if you can ask the new siri there was a thing where i think it said like find every picture I have of this person with this pink dress on from that trip we went to that one place and it goes okay I know what this person is because of your photos I know what they look like I know what a pink dress looks like and I know the GPS tags of your photos and it just pulls up all the exact photos which if that works is really impressive because it knows everything it has all that information it can dig through your phone it can do everything locally and it's fast and it just works where the humane pin never had a shot at doing any of that because it doesn't know or have any of those those photos starting fresh i feel like that's the magic of when we years ago when we realized you can type into google like who is that actor with the blue jacket in the movie about right yes and but now it's about your personal stuff and you can just find that on your phone and that's that's really cool considering like that is so powerful that i can actually see myself using siri all the time now because you can just hit like the action button and it comes up.

1:35:00Also, you can now type to Siri, which is very cool. You just tap at the bottom of the iPhone and a little Siri keyboard comes up over whatever app you're in. So you could be in the Messages app or something and you could hit the little button at the bottom and be like, hey, can you schedule a thing to this person? And it'll automatically do it. And it's also screen contents aware. So if there's something happening on your screen, you can ask Siri something about what's on your screen, which is cool. Yeah. So, yeah, I think being able to reach into apps like that and pull out contextual information is very very very cool but there was one example they showed that you were complaining about before that's very funny which is it can reach into apps but then when you ask it to do things on your phone do you want to well so a bunch of the examples that it gave were like oh you don't know how to do this so you ask siri like hey siri how do i schedule to send a message and then it pulls up a little like from apple instructional manual tutorial like step by step and it's like why wouldn't you just tell it to schedule the message instead of asking for the manual yeah like anyone who would ask for instructions they would ask it to do the thing yeah do the thing that i want you to do right exactly yeah it has all these app capabilities and then when it seems like it's setting based things or yeah like how to do something it just doesn't do it yeah it's almost like that the end prompt of all the google assistant when you're like uh hey can you turn off the lights and it's like it does it and then it says like by the way if you didn't know you can try and do like this every single time you do it yeah it's really really annoying it's very annoying just do the thing because i i can see it bringing up a prompt of how to do things and then like this is better because i don't have to be the it person right but then a relative of mine is going to be like how do i schedule send a message and the thing pops up with the instructions and then they call me and they say the instructions say to do this but i don't know where that is oh god just do it that's the whole point you should be able to tell your device what to do do it I am very curious when this actually launches how the UX of this is going to look for example if you say send the photos from the barbecue on Saturday to Malia are you going to be able to see the photos to confirm what they're doing because that's something we were talking about on the humane pin without being able to see what it's doing do you actually trust it right yeah that'd be interesting yeah i have a quick question sure are we actually going to call it apple intelligence no okay apple intelligence is just a suite of features basically i just wanted to make sure it's just generative features i'm still going to call each feature by its name i think the umbrella of apple intelligence just helps us stay specific about what we're talking about but i don't think i'm actually going to call anything apple intelligence no yeah cool i don't think they really want people to call it that anyway they just want to call it ai or they want to call it siri sorry they probably just cleverly want to be like yeah we've had ai for years yeah that's what they love saying yeah so i do want to pose a really interesting existential question that i was thinking about on the plane oh no do it do it so now that you can ask siri to do all this stuff on your phone and if you can also ask siri any question and it will prompt chat GPT for an answer are people going to just stop using google as much because what do you have to go to google for nearly as much a lot of this depends on quality because you can still currently with the normal Siri ask it questions and it's not very good and people would rather google it so if Siri gets good enough at asking at answering questions factually it minimizes hallucinations and it's a reliable answer to many searches then i could see that being a real dilemma because even yeah as much even the fact that you can say like how do i want to make like a nice chicken parm and it says can i send that query to chat gpt instead of googling it like it traditionally would do i think it helps too that you can type to siri now so like it's a search engine there still will be though like shopping and things that need to bring you to physical links where that will be but yeah it does seem like it'd be cut like in half pretty much yeah if that's the case and if you trust it which people are going to trust it yeah you bring something like that to now the most popular phone in the u.s at least yeah in terms of market share people are just like oh there's a cool new feature on my phone that does everything right it is so easy to use it must all be perfect yeah and that's not the case i often often wonder i wish i could see the metrics of all this data of like what people are using and how much they're using it because i just want to know if people stop using google when they have this um how long until gemini is on the phone instead of chat gp they said it is coming i know but how long i did find that interesting that they said it's opened it's they partner with open ai for some things but there's space for other ones to be added as well so like we thought before that deal with gemini didn't happen because then we saw the deal with open ai but it sounds like it's just still happen anything could be part of which I think is cool.

1:40:12I think it's smart of Apple because they don't want to put all their eggs in one basket. Agreed, and they still want to keep there. And this is something we didn't really cover that I think they covered right off the bat because of how important it was is the privacy aspects of all of these different things in their AI features, which is like the things on the device are the on-device things, and even the ones they need to send to that computing cloud, they said it's on a server that they own running their chips, and then each one has to be like third party tested or something before it even is allowed to accept queries.

1:40:47Again, it's a trillion dollar company that's having things that they could make money off of you by. So you always have to be skeptical. But I think they did a way, way better job at like saying and showing ways that they are taking privacy. In the presentation, Craig's had security so many times in the presentation. That Apple lock icon, which is one of the best icons they've ever made, was like 30 % of that entire like second half of the thing. It was just like, cool, cool, cool. Just remember this is private light though and they had to reiterate it so many times. Yeah, it was kind of wild.

1:41:23Yeah. Did we do it? That's Apple Intelligence and it will come later this year. So we don't really get to test any of this stuff. Actually, most of the features that they announced at WWDC on most of the platforms are not in any of the betas yet. Yeah. So. So TBD on how well they actually work. Yeah. But that's where you should just subscribe now so that when we actually do know, we'll be able to tell you. Yeah. There you go. And using machine learning, your computer should have glowed when we said subscribe. I was gonna say, could you say like, Siri, subscribe to that podcast I listened to before?

1:41:58That'd be cool. That would be sweet. That'd be cool. And then if I say it out loud and it's playing on their speaker. Yeah. when this comes out we're saying that and just watch our numbers fly hey sir hey sir subscribe to that waveform podcast hey sir send this podcast to everyone in my contacts confirm yes go yes hey sir play the trivia music oh dude i thought it was later incredible segue later this year well done andrew that's two that's two good segues question number one if you're there and I'm here then who's flying the plane?

1:42:45Siri. My Siri's been triggered.

1:42:55I think we're all ready. Alright. Who wants to go first? It was Phil. You guys both got it wrong? Yeah, we messed up. What did you write? Jaws. Philly. Damn, Andrew. Were you there? Actually, I didn't even tune in. That was a second time I watched it. Why did we both think Jaws? I'm very confused how you both got the same wrong answer. They barely even showed him. He had like aviators and a pilot hat on too. Didn't he? Yes. Is he like less present in the company now? I was paying attention. Is that why? Still? Yeah. Yeah. Oh. At least in presentations, he's not really. All right. Quick update on the score.

1:43:39Wow. Marquez with 11. Dang it. Andrew with 10. Oh, I thought I caught up. David with nine. I deserve that. Oh. You do deserve that. I thought you were ahead of me. No. We're the same. We are the same. We're all the same. We're all. It's a beautiful world. What hardware did Craig Federighi demonstrate pairing with the HairTrack Pro app? Which is hard to say. Say that five times real fast. Is this an existing product or a made up product? It's a made up product. I will give you that. It's a made up product? Wait, do you guys think HairTrack Pro is a real app? I thought, no, but I thought like he paired it with a real product.

1:44:16Like he was using it on something else. I also find it hilarious that they were, they had to go around Tinder so hard. Wait, what are you talking about? Because what are you going to put in your hidden apps folder? When they started their example of the HairTrack Pro, every single person there replaced HairTrack Pro in their head with Tinder. Because you can't even really put... Apple won't let anything remotely adult even on the App Store to begin with. So Tinder is about the only thing. You don't want anyone to know you have this app. But you have this app. Right. Nobody cares if I'm using a hair styling app.

1:44:55It's really embarrassing. It's embarrassing. Flip them and read. What do you got? Didn't even write anything. I got smart blow dryer. That's a great guess. If it's not right.

1:45:11We'll see what everyone else said. Andrew, what did you write?

1:45:17It's on nothing. Marquez? I don't know. I wrote hair analysis product. So because we're doing closest Delta with this. Oh, wow. David gets the point. What was the actual answer? The answer was LiDAR hair dryer. Yeah. Yeah. You said a smart blow dryer. That's literally what that is. I think because blow dryer is in there, it should count. The question was the full name or the technology used. And you gave me neither. But I'll give it to you. I think you should get it. David, we're giving you the point. Don't get greedy. I remember seeing the icon I do remember that as well Do you have a bonus question?

1:45:56We have multiple bonus questions How about who can draw the app logo the closest? I do have it here in front of us No, no, no, the hair The hair track pro Wait, you're just going to let Andrew make questions that he's good at? No, because our bonus question goes as follows In the intro cinematic again, everyone on the Apple team was wearing Apple-branded flight suits with an Apple emblem. That Apple emblem comes from one specific Apple device. What device was it?

1:46:37Andrew looks disappointed in me. I remember what it looks like, but I don't... What device did that emblem first appear on? Wait, first appear? It only was on what? I think both. I think it's only part of one family. And I'm not looking for like... Family? David, you're out of this question. Just Andrew and Marquez. No, I wrote it down. Newton. All three of you are wrong. Where was the thing hanging from? The back. It was on their back, their legs, and their chest. That like stripe? The stripe. Oh, okay. which was a wallpaper for the iPhone. Wait, it's just the colors from the old Apple logo. Specifically, the diagonal rainbow stripe is an old iPhone wallpaper.

1:47:30That's like an iPhone 6 or something. Yes. You want to do an even harder one? I feel like that's on multiple different Apple things. It's just an iPhone wallpaper. Because it's diagonal. It's just an iPhone wallpaper. I think it meant on the device. Does harder mean you had to pay even closer attention than that? And you have to be kind of a psycho. Because we were like taking furious notes and I feel like we're at a disadvantage with the extremely nuanced questions. I had a seven month old that's teething. Which means you got the high level details. It's perfect. I wasn't even in the same room.

1:48:03You can just do this and start it, you know. You glanced over and you were like, oh, diagonal. Cool. What sneakers was Tim Cook wearing at this year's WWDC 24? I don't know what kind they were. I can picture them because he wore them in my interview. Draw them. Actually, Marquez, I believe he wore a different pair of sneakers in your interview. So if you want to name those, I will also accept those. I have both of them here. I'm assuming you're not accepting just the company name. No, because he is on the board of directors of that company and will never wear shoes by another company. I realized his glasses are Nike also.

1:48:41Are they really? In the interview. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They do have this. And the front half was black and the back half was white. And I remember that for some reason. That's blue. All right, let's see it. You're the one who edited all of it. I think we should give Andrew the point. What did you put? Andrew put, not a shoe he was wearing, but my favorite sneaker of all time. That's why I thought maybe he wanted it. The Nike Cortez. God, I wish we could give it to you. Marquez? I remember those like one of one iPad design Nike's. Those were incredible. Not on his feet this time. Rainbow Air Force 1s.

1:49:13Oh, you said Air Force 1s. Unfortunately, no. Oh. This time, he was wearing the, on the roof, he was wearing the Nike Air Max Alpha Trainer 5s. And in your interview, Marquez, he was wearing Nike Pegasus 89s. I don't know anything about shoes. I didn't know those. You know, he never came off the roof. He's still there? In the video. Someone get him off. He was on the ground halfway through. Yeah, but he was back on the roof at the end. Oh. The ending part, he was like, thanks for coming to WWE DC. He was on the roof. Oh. Yeah. I didn't. Huh. Yeah. Do we think he's. I think he's still there. Yeah.

1:49:49Can we have one more question? If I had one. I thought you said you had multiple bonus questions. I've given you four. Really? I've given you two bonus. Four in total. What more do you want from me? I guess that's technically multiple. At one point, someone, oh, here it is. Here it is. In the elevator, in the elevator, when the guy gets the call and he does not want to pick up the call. Oh, yeah. Who's calling him? I said this in the episode. Okay, never mind. We'll go. Grandma? But I need to know what he refers to his grandmother as. Oh, first. Yes.

1:50:30Nana? Nana? I only remember this because it was so silly. It was very silly. It was so silly. It was very silly. I'm pretty proud of that. Let's see it. Put Grammy. Gam Gam. The correct answer is, in fact, Gam Gam. Gang Gang. That was a fake bonus question, right? Andrew tied with Marquez. Quick, Marquez, take us out before David asks for another one. Yeah, I think that's it. Next time, I'll be asking Siri the answers to trivia and just comparing the answers with what I come up with. Later this year. Yeah. Later this year. Until then, obviously, get subscribed to the Waveform Podcast. Thanks for watching and listening to this episode and we will catch you in the very next one.

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