EXCLUSIVE: Lots of Drama Around OnePlus

17:32David Imel:my note 8 with nova launcher yeah in terms of like my peak phone experience which is why i was so into

17:37Marques Brownlee:the google play edition htc phones because it was all there already man so i'm just reminiscing now So yeah, now it's going to be a sad corporate shell of itself, it seems like. That's kind of disappointing. I actually started using Niagara Launcher a little more, which I've seen a couple other people using as well. It's kind of interesting. A little different style. Yeah.

17:56David Imel:Very different style, isn't it? Yeah. I mean, I was thinking the other day about how Niagara is kind of the dumb phone kind of launcher. Because it lists your apps in a vertical orientation with just the text. So there's no big icons to click around on. It's just like very utilitarian. So it's very good for folding phones, by the way, because when you open like a, well, like a hamburger style folding phone, because when you open the Z Flip 6 or whatever, it's got the longer aspect ratio. So it waterfalls down. Triple fold out. Vertically, like all your apps are everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. Fun. So RIP Nova, that sucks.

18:39Okay. Okay. Sony, this is a big story this week, actually, which was a bit surprising. People are very, very emotional about Sony Bravia TVs, even though nobody could ever afford them. Sony announced that it is developing a division that joins forces with TCL to start a new venture. Basically, it's like a new company that the two are starting together, where Sony is going to own 49 % of the company, TCL is going to own 51 % of the company. and it's not it hasn't gone through yet right now they just have a memorandum of understanding which is a very japanese uh concept of a plan that's exactly what it is it's concepts of a plan they're basically in talks about how this is going to work so i'm not really sure why they announced it publicly yet um but there's a very very thorough article by john higgins at the verge about this uh he spent 20 years covering tv so you should really go read his article and he says in the article there are still a couple of months before any binding agreements are drawn up and it still has to go through regulatory approval before it can happen so it's not complete and even if it does pass the new company won't go into effect until april of 2027 but anyway effectively this could lead to the sony bravia tvs being manufactured by tcl which if you sort of break down how the production pipeline of these compute these tvs work anyway what actually makes a sony bravia tv really high quality is not the panel they're using because they don't make the panels the panels are made by lg and tcl and these guys it's really their soc and their their image pipeline so theoretically if sony allows tcl to use their socs and image pipeline tcl uses their resources for manufacturing you could theoretically see much cheaper bravia tvs in people's homes because bravias are like the most expensive tvs that you can get they're really good but they're

20:31David Imel:really excited sony it's been a while since i've been to ces but ces being the like big screen everyone look at us sony's always like they're not doing rolling or folding or anything but they are like damn these look so good and then you leave ces and you're like i'm not going to hear about a sony tv to like up to ces next year and look at that all the hairs on that panther's face again like in a dark room yeah lg's got like the tunnel of foldable tvs that makes this like aquarium and Sony's just like a dark room with like six TVs showing you the highest quality video you've ever seen. And then you never see it again.

21:11So, I don't know, a lot of people are talking about this. I guess I'm a little bit too young to remember this which is something I don't usually say because we're considered old now. But people have been talking a lot on social media about how big of a deal it was if you walked into your friend's house and they had a Sony TV

21:29Marques Brownlee:on the wall yeah or like yeah because there's just there's generations of tvs that make a big like the plasma tv stuff back in the day if you had a friend with a plasma tv it was like whoa

21:39David Imel:okay yeah that's nice yeah depending on how long ago if you just had a tv on the wall that was that's also impressive if you maybe i'm just really yeah you have a tv i still have none of

21:49Marques Brownlee:those things so nothing's changed now there are people actually in college that use a tv as a computer monitor. That's true. Because it's a huge screen. Yeah. But it's cheaper. And on Black Friday, like$100. Yeah, like 1080p, 49-inch screen for like$7. Yeah. Yeah, that's going to work. Going to do that. It's good enough for me. Yeah. Yeah.

22:08David Imel:I'd ask Ellis' thoughts, but he knows nothing about TVs, so not a big TV guy.

22:14Andrew Edwards:Before TVs could even go on walls, Tony, Tony. Tony. Tony, the TV. Did you guys know that Sony is short for Anthony? That was a Tony joke. Oh, okay. What's Tony? Oh, Anthony. And Sonny. I like that. That's pretty good. Before TVs could go on walls, Sony made the defining contribution to the CRT with Trinitron.

22:40David Imel:It is Sony that that guy who went to Japan and made that video? That was a Sony, right? Just watching how bad he wanted that TV makes me understand how big Sony was.

22:50Andrew Edwards:The gist of it is that CRTs were really good and color CRTs were really good. And then Sony changed the way that the color processing worked that essentially allowed TVs, Sony TVs to be like 50 ish percent brighter than all other TVs on the market. And so it was like it wasn't like CES now where it's like, oh, you can see a few more hairs on the Panthers. Like you'd go into a store and be like, oh, all the TVs are bad. And then there's the Sony. Damn. But it costs three times as much. It cost it cost more until till Sony started licensing the technology out to other companies. Then you got Diamond Tron.

23:28Yeah.

23:29Andrew Edwards:I don't know, man. Who cares about CRT? A lot of Trons back then.

23:31Marques Brownlee:Those names are tough. Yeah. Pegatron. Yeah. Megatron. Pegatron, Triton, Megatron. One more quick story really quickly. Speaking of ads, Threads is rolling out ads globally starting next week. Yay. Threads. wasn't there just a bunch of stories about how threads was just about to overtake twitter and mobile use they just did overtake twitter and mobile use they're still way behind them with total active i saw all those headlines and i'm like but they're just putting threads in instagram so can they really well say that like are they counting that i think it's the actual app but the thing about the instagram threads is that once you click on it it automatically takes you to the app store to download it and then you don't even have to make an account so i think the amount of people that they've just easily unloaded on the threads.

24:19Marques Brownlee:That's like more of the story. It's like Instagram has unloaded a bunch of people onto threads.

24:24David Imel:Both of them are a battle over how can we have the most impressive numbers in an article headline.

24:28Marques Brownlee:Yeah, I guess I'm not as interested in users as much as I'm interested in usage.

24:33David Imel:That's fair.

24:34Marques Brownlee:Like you could have a bunch of users that don't use it.

24:36David Imel:I hate the usage on both of them. I think

24:39Marques Brownlee:threads is still in its engagement farming days, but it's starting to get a little more varied. Aren't all social media platforms still just engagement farming well x will pay you yes but different types of engagement farming yeah like on youtube there's like sophisticated engagement that's what we do venmo artistic vimeo

25:02Marques Brownlee:yeah easy pass is just like engagement farming for cars um so yeah threads is in it's like i mean i'm getting custom content now at this point on threads that seems like pretty tailored to me but it's still like full of also brands i've been living great on threads over here

25:19Andrew Edwards:over on this side good stuff on threads good stuff on threads the problem is when you hang on a post for like a quarter second longer than you should and then the algorithm's like we want more of that baby and you just don't you just don't want more so we're gonna have in so everyone gets ads and threads now yeah so they started rolling out very slowly um but now they're rolling them out globally starting then next week they say that the ad delivery will initially initially specific word remain low as they reach global user availability in the coming months um initially remain low so get ready for all those ads baby that happened quicker than i thought it would to be honest yeah really yeah i thought it would take i thought they would wait till they were like pretty dominant before they started turning on the ad i think they are pretty dominant i thought they'd wait till they federated yeah they're it's over they're not federating anymore We got one-way federation through threads, and it only benefits them.

26:18David Imel:Would ads go through the Fediverse? Only if they were federated? If they were posted to. I've got a great business idea.

26:30Well, with that, I'd rather talk about a trivia question than be more depressed about advertising.

26:38David Imel:Trivia, and then we'll get to the ads.

26:43This trivia question is brought to you by Meta.

26:46David Imel:Sony Bravia.

26:47Andrew Edwards:Sony Bravia. Guys, what does Bravia? I'm just kidding. We've already done that. Bolivia.

26:53David Imel:And we still all get it wrong.

26:55Andrew Edwards:I don't remember either. That was a whole acronym, Bravia? Yeah, it was a trivia question. I remember it. Wow, that's crazy. Oh, it's a backronym, right? Right. Beautiful, resonant, absolute, resolution audio video i think i wasn't here for that episode because i remember listening to this

27:13David Imel:in the car and trying to figure it out yeah anyway well and their stupid laptops also had

27:18Andrew Edwards:the dumb anyway guys the dumb this question is about chat gpt adding ads to the go tier which by the way shout out to the go tier somebody that i used to know is one of my favorite songs of all time. Oh my god. Thanks Marquez. That was horrible. Wait I'm trying.

27:35Marques Brownlee:You should not be

27:35Andrew Edwards:pregnant. Oh go to wait that was really good. Wait actually when Ellis is tired he's on. I like your cooking. I like the Anthony joke better.

27:45David Imel:I thought that one was a thing. No go to here. Wait that's thanks David. You're cooking Ellis. I love it.

27:51Andrew Edwards:Guys okay so as you mentioned in 2024 Sam Altman said that adding ads was a last resort and in January of 2026 ads got announced that they would be added um so my question to you guys is what took a shorter amount of time the time between sam altman saying there would not be ads and saying there would be ads or the time between google stadia being released and canceled released not announced from shelf to done.

28:28David Imel:Negative latency. Wow. What was quicker? Stadia is such a cool thing. I'm still seeing articles about like, the Stadia controller lost this, but don't worry, here's how to get it back. And I'm like, oh my, people are still having this. Google is often 10 years too early to things and Stadia was one of them. Like Microsoft Game Pass is very, very popular. You're thinking of Xbox Cloud. Xbox Cloud. That's just what it's called? Well, because Game Pass is just getting the games via a subscription, right? And then cloud is the compute on the cloud. It's just called Cloud. Or like GeForce Now.

29:06Andrew Edwards:GeForce Now is the NVIDIA version.

29:08David Imel:That's the NVIDIA version. Well, anyway. Wow. Showing my age here. Google Glass is also 10 years. I remember disks early. Yeah. I mean, again, Google is very often 10 years to earlier things. But the Microsoft version of game streaming is extremely popular. Google had.

29:22Marques Brownlee:Get off of that website. I'm just looking at other. Why is this going to be trivia later? Well no Stadia. It's going to be on there. Oh sorry. I was like wow look at all these other things that were ahead of their time and then died.

29:35Andrew Edwards:I've played my hand I've played a handful of Xbox Cloud on my I've got pretty fast at home. Flex. Name all the games. It's it doesn't really work or at least it didn't work that well for me. I found I guess I was playing games that required like pretty low latency but yeah. Light Simulator? No like 2k like 2k is pretty much impossible on cloud my one claim to flame is that I put the I put out the first ever stadia review on the internet and then I went on the Pierce Morgan show to talk about stadia you were on Pierce I have a I have an IMDB that I did not make that someone made for me because I appeared on the Pierce Morgan show yeah can we play that clip on the

30:20David Imel:yeah it's not a video clip oh it is I forgot it is a video play a game

30:24Marques Brownlee:Wait a minute, it's not on your computer.

30:25David Imel:Waveform has an IMDB, and it only has Marques and some random guy who included himself in it. Richard Cannon III. The legend. I don't know. Anyway, my point is that Stadia would be very popular right now and RIP, but the controllers are very good, and you can turn them into standard Bluetooth controllers. I'm so mad I got rid of mine. It's huge. Yeah, it's huge.

30:51Marques Brownlee:All right, well, we'll think about that trivia question. Answers will be at the end, like usual. We'll be right back.

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33:03Marques Brownlee:and book your next trip today. Go to your happy price, Priceline. All right, welcome back. We got to talk about this OnePlus drama a little bit. It's kind of all over the place, but if you've been on social media for the past four days or so, you may have seen some of this arc. we can do our best to break down what happened versus what didn't happen uh yeah but yeah so one plus for those of you who know uh smartphone company subset of bbk electronics they make uh this one right here this is one plus 15 i've been using it for a while it's nice but they've been making phones for a while ever since the one plus one days when they were like a cult favorite yeah that's right uh and then so over this past week this article popped up on android headlines that was titled exclusive one plus is being dismantled and this is kind of a shocker headline because they're a company that exists and seems to be doing okay maybe a little bit quiet lately maybe a little bit down downward trending lately but can i explain a little context that kind of

34:03David Imel:makes sense of why this article hitting here yeah um just like since the start of the year there's been some there's been a bunch of random articles here and there about like maybe bbk slash like oppo and then sub brands one plus yeah uh getting in the news one of them is that real me is going back to being considered a sub brand of oppo um they originally were then they left after a year now they're coming back part of that um oppo is saying is to improve resource management and oppo's global expansion strategy i know that's not one plus exactly but you know general branding around there um there's some rumors that then got deleted about the one plus 16 maybe not coming to the u.s and then Pete Lau also right now has an arrest warrant in Taiwan for illegal business and recruitment activities.

34:51David Imel:Oh, wow, I forgot about that. Allegedly. Totally. So yeah, there's a reason OnePlus is hot right now in the tech world, at least in specific tech world. So like this article talks about a lot of those things, but it makes sense why it came out right now.

35:08Marques Brownlee:Yeah. You mean the article?

35:09David Imel:The article, yeah. Yeah.

35:11Marques Brownlee:So I saw that headline. I was like, oh, that's really interesting. So I read the entire article. A couple things stuck out to me. One was nothing was actually exclusive or new about OnePlus actually being dismantled, but it was a bunch of publicly available, but information about the trends with OnePlus lately and the rumors and the types of sort of summarizing, putting everything in one place. So that was... Note on the summarizing. Yeah, yeah. Maybe a little bit of... Heavy on the summarizing. Yeah. Well, people might, first of all, use the word clickbait to describe something that says exclusive in all caps and then doesn't have exclusives.

35:46Marques Brownlee:But the other thing was it felt very much written by ChatGPT. Like, I read the whole thing, and it was by the third of the way point, it was painfully obvious that it was, like, structured the same way over and over and over again. To which the author, I guess, later admitted that he, like, updated the headline. It was like, yeah, I did use AI to structure this. But to clear that up, they originally had made the post that it was written by someone named Alex Maxim at Android Headlines.

36:13David Imel:Then everyone started saying, this is AI because it had a lot of, what do they like to do? A lot of like, if X, then Y. It's like, it's not this. It's actually this. This wasn't just a this. It was a whole, like something like that. And then the M dashes are always like. Justice for the freaking M dash, man. I used to use that shit all the time. Don't use it. I can't even use it anymore. I can't use it anymore. Yeah. It's like an extra finger. It's just such proof that it's AI at this point. I just never want to end my sentences, you know? You just got to stop using periods and dashes only. Let's recreate the ellipses, but with commas and just use that.

36:50Marques Brownlee:Three commas. You know what's funny? When I do my script writing in Google Docs, I use dashes, ellipses, and semicolons to indicate in my own head a different type of pause. Yeah. And it's just, I'm reading it a certain way because I know what that means to my brain. But now online, it means this was written with AI. So I can't use this ever outside of my script writing. But yeah, it is what it is.

37:14David Imel:But so originally it was said it was written by Alex. And then after it got all the flack online about it being written by AI, he came out and said, this was not written by me. It just had my name. To then which Chris Yakulik, the owner of Android Headlines, said that he wrote it and then admitted to using AI in it, claiming he said, as a site owner, I made the decision to use AI assistance in structuring this article. Everything else is human work, including the entire investigation, reporting from independent sources, current and former employees, Chinese business publication research, and four analyst firms.

37:48David Imel:But like... Okay. There's so many red flags going on here.

37:54Marques Brownlee:Red flag number one, why hide that at the beginning? That was... why put a different person's name on it? Why do any of that? Why not write your own article? It's just a bunch of weird things going on here. And then also, yeah, I don't know. It didn't convince me that, I don't know if you read it and were convinced at all, but it didn't convince me that OnePlus is actually on their deathbed. It seemed like it wanted to convince me. So yeah, there's a lot of things that are going on with OnePlus, like you mentioned, that are really interesting to follow and that sort of represent like the end of an arc of what was once a really, really hot brand and is now just kind of like a corporate sub-brand going back to like its roots.

38:37Marques Brownlee:But yeah, it was just kind of a disappointment to me. Yeah, it's one of those things where it put a lot of things in one article that I think could have been a useful article if you wanted to say, here's everything that's going on with OnePlus right now. Yeah. But slapping an exclusive badge on it and offering no exclusive information is like very clickbaity.

38:55David Imel:and then putting a different author because it seems like he maybe has had more viral posts lately. So they seem to put it on him to try and maybe get some more traction from it. Now, if I'm that author, I'm not happy because now it looks like I did a bunch of AR garbage. I know what we're tied in this episode. Exclusive.

39:19David Imel:Exclusive M-Dash. Brand new OnePlus M-Dash drama. OnePlus isn't dead. it's actually alive

39:25Marques Brownlee:that's what we're titling OnePlus has since come out and just clarified that they are not shutting down they said recent unverified reports claiming OnePlus is shutting down are false so there's that

39:37David Imel:oh yeah and then they said OnePlus India's business operations continue as normal this was because this is OnePlus India responding yeah correct just to be fully clear on that yeah and a lot of people are like well that's just the India team that's saying they're not closing and it's like you know maybe it could happen i think that there's a lot of reasoning why oppo might want to simplify their lineup again the oppo brand is very popular in china and different parts of europe because oppo phones are sold in different parts of europe and you know they tried to change the oneplus ui to um color os and then they just one of the things changed the name back to oxygen os

40:14Marques Brownlee:but it's still color os which is good it's a good os it's one of the things that was interesting to me about this because I still am like thinking a lot about OnePlus and the existence of sub brands and why companies use them is always interesting to me. Like why do you have Lexus as a sub brand of Toyota? Because you can't really sell such a pricey car with a Toyota badge. So you have this badge. Like this is what a Genesis is. This is what a lot of other companies do. CMF. CMF again. So Oppo is a huge popular company in one market, but the same company wants to use a new brand called OnePlus to get into other markets that aren't as excited about buying something from Oppo.

40:55Marques Brownlee:And they kind of had some success like in the US and in India and people were getting really excited about OnePlus phones. I remember the OnePlus One being impossible to get and like the Invite system and the CyanogenMod collab and all of that. So following all that was very exciting.

41:10David Imel:You can get OnePlus stuff at carriers in the US now. It felt like for a long time new phone companies were not in carriers in the u.s yeah for sure it was so hard to get a new

41:20Marques Brownlee:phone company off the ground all the way to the point where you could actually sell it to a real human in the u.s if you aren't in the u.s you probably aren't as familiar but for those in the u.s you know like it's mostly samsung and apple phones in stores here they've made the deals there's some motorola stuff there's the prepaid carrier stuff but like if you want to come in and spend eight hundred dollars or whatever premium flagship money on a phone the options are slim. And it was so hard to get on the shelf alongside those, let alone get enough market share. Like the Pixel's at like 2%.

41:49Andrew Edwards:Yeah, I was just gonna say,

41:50Marques Brownlee:even Pixel took so long just to get on shelves. And that's Google trying to do that. Right? So imagine a new company trying to get along. So the story was really exciting and OnePlus got very far. And as far as the enthusiast crowd goes, they kind of had a stranglehold on like, I remember so many of my friends buying OnePlus phones because it was like, the OnePlus 7 versus all the other phones I could get for the same money is unreal deal right so yeah the arc of oneplus has been fascinating to follow now i mean i use the oneplus 15 they still to an extent represent a lot of good things like this is still one of the cleaner versions of android with their again we were talking about launchers earlier but the skin um great specs still pricey yeah yeah they're still good enough phones that we should keep them around so we don't want oneplus going anywhere but yeah there's a couple of major reasons why these brands like to make these sub-brands?

42:41I mean, obviously you've got to subdivide. You need to know this brand represents luxury, right? Like Louis Vuitton is never going to sell like a$40 sneaker or something or a$40 bag, whatever they make bags. But the other big reason, hey, I'm not a fashionista. We all know this. I bought this for$5.

43:00David Imel:I see that Gucci belt you've got on right now. You're not fooling us. Anyway, but the other reason is that a lot of Chinese brands want to basically sneak their way into the United States. This has happened a million times. The US government doesn't know that Hasselblad's owned by DJI. You know what I mean? They just don't know. That's why they try to make it such a big deal that they're like, don't talk about it, don't talk about it. Even though when you send in your Hasselblad camera for service, it goes to the DJI headquarters. They're like, but we're not... Anyway, a lot of phone companies have done that because I'm trying to remember the brand.

43:37Adam, you might remember. The brand that got put on the, besides Huawei, they got put on the entity list that, like, was it Honor? Or there was another phone brand that in 2017 or so got basically forced to stop selling phones in the United States. Huawei was a popular one. Huawei was the main one. Yeah. But effectively, like, when the U.S. government realizes that a company is Chinese, they get really nervous about it. Especially telecoms companies, you know, networking companies. so i mean oneplus in a large way was a way for oppo bbk group to get their devices in many more markets and the fact that the original oneplus ethos of like we're community oriented we're doing all these community events and this and this and this is like we're homegrown but we're just you know owned by a giant mega corporation it was the flagship killer yeah but especially now with there being a lot more tensions heating up between the united states and china and everyone and everyone the tariffs that are probably going to make it really hard for them to keep selling one plus phones in this in the western world for the price that they sell it at you could see a big reason why they might want to pull back and just be like you know what one plus is not doing as well as we thought oppo phones are actually still selling really well it's just that like this article is just it's it's jumping to a lot of conclusions big jump it had the opportunity

45:01David Imel:to like maybe have a or potentially still does have a good bunch of interesting information but you kind of shoot yourself in the foot when you put that title do the weird author switch use ai and a bunch like you've just turned it into a big laughing stock kind of at that point which is not a great look not a great look um yeah multiple different one plus kind of uh heads of social media have come out and been like the rumors of my death are highly exaggerated

45:30Andrew Edwards:yeah okay question for you guys no in okay never mind onwards um what was peak one plus phone to you because miles and i and andrew a little this morning we're talking about this and we all had

45:43David Imel:different answers 70 that's what i said i got argued against as the seven over 70 70 is better

45:49Marques Brownlee:i think they had two peaks i think the seven and 70 and 70 pro are is one of the peaks and i think the one plus one is the other peak i would say one plus one as well where is the peak it's the

46:02David Imel:start yeah and i don't think you think they peaked right off i think they peaked right off the bat you know what the peak was the poco peaked at birth you want ph1 or whatever f1 i i just i think

46:12Marques Brownlee:the one plus one peaked in some ways it wasn't their best phone ever or their but it was one of the best deals ever and it was one of the biggest hype machines ever and people got it was one of those rare things where it actually lived up to the hype i think that's why it felt like yeah the OnePlus 3 was the phone where a lot of the people in my life that knew sort of about technology and wanted a good deal started being like I'm hearing a lot about this OnePlus 3 phone and I knew a lot of people who actually bought the OnePlus 3 it was easier to buy because you didn't have to go through the invite system and everything

46:40David Imel:I think Miles was agreeing with me he just had the wrong thing because he was like the one with the pop up selfie camera and that was the 7T Pro oh I thought he said the McLaren edition which was the 7T Pro No, but he thought the 7 Pro was the one with the pop-up selfie camera, but the 7T Pro is it, which then was the McLaren edition, right?

47:00Andrew Edwards:The pop-up selfie camera was the Miata edition.

47:04Marques Brownlee:The 7T Pro was a phone that I could have used for ever a long time. The main problem was the ghost touches on the corners, on the sides, because it had a wraparound screen. And I swear that thing was tapping all over the place. That was a downside I would be willing to live with for all the upsides of that phone. it was so so fast great great software optimization really good screen the whole fast and smooth thing was like very appreciated and uh now here we are on the 15 the 15 is still one of the absolute fastest and smoothest phones but lots of phones are fast and smooth like that now yeah yeah so

47:40Andrew Edwards:yeah i was wondering before because you've been using the 15 now for weeks yeah uh how does this compare to like in your mount rushmore in your head of one plus phones is this on there already

47:51Marques Brownlee:or is it still working its way up so the battery life of the 15 has elevated it a lot for me over other phones i could be using um i think that combined with fast and smooth and clean software is why i'm still using it the camera is such a huge letdown which is what's dragging it down from like possible peak status that's why you bought a hassleblad yeah i gotta get the hassle stuff somewhere so i bought a hassleblad uh no it's it's it's one of the best phones still but it's in like the arc of one plus it's definitely not one of their all-time best but it is like convenient that they jumped on the silicon carbon thing early and executed it well like i wonder if

48:30Andrew Edwards:in 10 years will you be remembering this phone fondly not like not like the peak phones yeah carl pay left right after the peak it's like right as the the stock is hitting the top and then it starts to go he left after the 8t the 8t yeah yeah yeah i think that was the one that was the 8 was like locked to Verizon. I think I had the. Oh, it didn't have the 5G band and it was 100, or it did have the 5G band, the millimeter wave band, but it was$100 more if you bought it on Verizon, but you had to buy that model.

49:00Marques Brownlee:Yeah, I want to do a quick exercise.

49:02David Imel:I really can't remember. Jumping back. Jumping back.

49:05Marques Brownlee:The exercise I want to do is I'm going to read you the titles. Barbell press. The titles I used for all of the OnePlus reviews. Ooh. Okay. So the OnePlus One review is just called the OnePlus One review, right? the one plus two review didn't have a subtitle but it was called the flagship killer and got the full review treatment one plus three review was a third attempt at a killer flagship and it was it had that metal jacket then I started doing titles so there's no one plus four because four is bad luck so no four

49:35David Imel:I think five is when I was it 2017 did that come out

49:39Marques Brownlee:the one plus five I have it here was yeah 2017 six million views super super fun. So that's when I started. I love the 5T. OnePlus 6 review was my most viewed phone review I had ever made at the time. Also, they just pumped it up with a bunch of other extra views. So it was 22 million views. Title is right on the money. It's a great title. 8 plus for the price. Then the OnePlus 6T. New design, same price. Then the OnePlus 7.

50:11David Imel:You could use that for every T model pretty much after.

50:14Marques Brownlee:OnePlus 7 review is way under the radar. OnePlus 7 Pro review is silly fast. Silly. Then OnePlus 7T, high refresh, low price. And 7T Pro, tiny tweaks to excellence. Now we get to OnePlus 8. OnePlus 8 review, special no more. OnePlus 8 Pro review, finally a flagship. OnePlus 9 review, sneaky value. and OnePlus 9 Pro Review, a huge Hasselblad promise.

50:46David Imel:Can I say even the title, finally a flagship, almost feels like a negative title in the arc of OnePlus. Like its whole thing is flagship killer. And when it, it almost feels like you're saying that they like conformed to like everything. They're not a flagship killer anymore.

51:03Marques Brownlee:Yeah.

51:03David Imel:They're the flagship, AKA the shit pricey.

51:07Marques Brownlee:The thing that's about to be killed by the next killer.

51:09David Imel:Yeah. The Pocophone. Yeah. I was reading my review titles for the OnePlus phones. For the 7T, I titled the review, OnePlus 7T, is it too good?

51:19Marques Brownlee:So good. Then OnePlus 8 and OnePlus 8 Pro, I titled, what should have been? Oh, wow. And then immediately after I made a video... Oh, these are the worst ones. I made a video immediately after this literally called, is OnePlus turning into Oppo? All of these would be made better if you put exclusive at the beginning. What's the... So I have three in a row for the last... You can tell they're no longer in their peak. I made a video called, what happened to one plus then i made a video called one plus 10 pro impressions what happened one plus 10 t impressions somebody that you used to know oh wait there's no way that went full

51:56David Imel:circle yeah that's like john oliver where he makes a reference in the beginning and pulls it back at the end it was the real title wow damn pretty good i was gonna say the we need to put the meme of like uh what is it who from the simpson goes like you can see the exact moment his heart rips

52:12Marques Brownlee:in half like that's 70 to 8 yeah you can see it and that's when carl pay left so the arc is real uh the 13 and 15 are good phones but you can see when the peak was pretty clearly yeah reports of their death have been greatly exaggerated let's say a quick ad break and do some trivia.

52:34Andrew Edwards:Trivia, dude. So, earlier in the show, we spoke about Netflix adding live voting to their service. We also spoke about American Idol, which you may or may not know. The first episode aired in 2002. So here's your question. Kelly Clarkson. No, it was Clay Aiken. Rupert. Aikon. Rupert Murdoch. How old was Ellis when the first episode aired? In 2002? In 2002. What month did it air? What month? Thank you for asking. It aired June of 2002. So this question is just how old is Ellis? That's all the information you get. I know that. I know that. How old are you, Ellis? No. Don't worry about it. Wait, say June 28?

53:19I think it's 28. He's 18. June of 2002 was the first episode. June of 2002. I'm 12. I'm 12. I had to ask him 28 but he hasn't his birthday

53:30Andrew Edwards:I can give you a hint what's the last letter of the day it's also my dad's birthday I actually do know your birthday but only because I went to a birthday party it runs in my family no I'm not joking there's a bunch of members of my family at all of my birthday that's kind of sick I don't know if that actually works but I was genetic your dad was born at the exact on the same day and same time as you in the same year yeah same year and everything your dad and you were twins yeah clones clones oh no my birthday runs in my family and proof that it there's something going on is i was born like really premature like i was not supposed to be born anywhere close to my dad's birthday and yet

54:14Marques Brownlee:i was like that explains it you're like what day is it oh oh he probably had some sweet plans that

54:20David Imel:Cate, dinner. It's like, not anymore.

54:24Andrew Edwards:How long did you cook after you came out of the womb? How long did I cook after I came out of the womb? I have no idea what you're asking. If you were premature, you know. Are you asking how premature I was? How long did I cook? Yeah, you still have to. Your brain had to continue developing. You know, I popped out the womb. I immediately pirated a copy of Apple Studio. And I went to work, man. That makes sense, bro. That makes sense. All right. Sick. We'll be right back.

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56:27David Imel:All right, welcome back. There was a Verizon outage last week and pretty, I mean, it's exactly what it sounded like. Verizon was just straight up out in the US for like hours, right?

56:39Andrew Edwards:I am a Verizon customer and I never lost service. I was so confused. It wasn't everybody. It was like - It seems like a lot of people. maybe it's because i'm a visible customer but i thought that was a verizon network but yeah

56:51David Imel:i think i i read that the like the what's the website is it down or something like that right now i'd like down over 175 000 queries or something about verizon um but so it went out around like 4 p.m est four hours like a very long time i think it was still pretty late at night um anyways i'll quickly i just want to know they wind up giving a 20 credit to everybody hell yeah in one way if you're thinking about like pro rating a month-long contract a couple hours is worth way less than 20 dollars yeah but at the same time if it was like if i had my gps going or i had to like pick up a kid from school or an event like pro rated minute by minute 20 is like more than enough the amount of stress and like uh how annoying that would be for those hours is not even close to like i would pay 20 to just get my service back at that point so what do we think is do we think that's an appropriate credit it never is yeah that's the

57:53Marques Brownlee:thing i there's no way to accurately assess the amount of convenience or inconvenience you've caused and like appropriately compensate everyone so them deciding to give 20 to every customer who lost service is like, that seems fine. Some people are going to be disappointed because they had worse inconveniences. Some people are going to be like, I didn't even notice it was out and they just got 20 bucks. So that's just kind of the way it seems to go. I'm also like, I'm not, you know, I'm always for like corporations can give money to people, it's fine. They're really, really wealthy. But, you know, giving every single Verizon customer 20 bucks is kind of a lot of money.

58:31David Imel:I'm assuming it's based on outages, but that's still so, so much money. It's a lot of money, and it means that their, what is it, January? Their January revenue is going to be down.

58:41Andrew Edwards:Well, didn't you also have to go? I believe you had to claim it. Oh. So it was like you had to go into the app or the website or something and claim it. Which, like, 20 people did. Okay, never mind. They should have given people a lot more money.

58:52Marques Brownlee:How many things go down and you don't get? Like, how many times does your Comcast or your home internet or whatever? You don't get money back for that. That's true. And it probably caused you some inconvenience. Yeah. How many times does YouTube go down and you don't get your premium money back or whatever?

59:05David Imel:yeah and it sucks yeah i mean i had my like flight canceled one time because they claimed it was weather but it was like weather from three days ago that they were just still backed up on which then eventually after enough people complained they gave me like 30 000 miles it's like not even close to the trip i guess i still got my miles back but like i had to cancel non-refundable hotels all sorts of i lost like two thousand dollars or something on it it's like cool 30 ,000 miles is like I could maybe get like two diet cokes on the

59:37Andrew Edwards:way like it's nothing the last time I flew I won't shame them here but the last time I flew the last time I flew American Airlines why not shame them they're like the worst airline they rebooked I had a layover somewhere and they rebooked the first leg of the flight to get in after the layover was going to get in in a random city that I knew no one in. And then I was like, I got there two hours after my layover had left. No more flights the rest of the day. And I go up to the American person and I was like, so my hotel. And they were like, no, you're sleeping at the airport, buddy. And then imagine your Verizon's out.

1:00:20Andrew Edwards:And then guess how much they offered me. I bet you

1:00:23David Imel:it was like a$15.

1:00:24Andrew Edwards:It was$0. It was literally$0. Dang. so shout out to Verizon honestly yeah Verizon was it only in New Jersey was the outage only in New Jersey it happened in New York

1:00:36Marques Brownlee:it was enough that I saw memes on threads that day about Verizon peeing out so it was pretty widespread probably maybe Staten Island okay yeah there's a lot memes on threads Staten Island New Jersey yeah Staten Island New Jersey get out of here alright well I got one more story for you guys and that is it's January and every January Neil Mohan or whoever is the CEO of YouTube at the time puts out a letter as a sort of a state of the union of what's going on on YouTube. And it's usually pretty informative. I will say I appreciate a little peek behind the curtain into what YouTube is planning on emphasizing and working towards in the upcoming year.

1:01:13Marques Brownlee:Because we're YouTubers. We want to know ahead of time as much as possible what's going to go down on this platform and how to prepare for it and how to maybe even take advantage of stuff that's going to be emphasized. So I read it. It was an interesting blog post. And I have some highlights that I'll share with you and maybe I can get your reactions on what you think of some of these things. Some of them I thought were pretty generic, but some of them I thought were like little nuggets that were really interesting buried in here. So the sort of headliner one that you kind of expect them to say every year is, breaking news, YouTube's still really huge.

1:01:43Marques Brownlee:Exclusive. Really big. YouTube big. Are you serious? Yeah, it turns out they're an enormous website. Dude, that's no way. Biggest streamer, biggest podcast platform, biggest video library. What are your sources? Yeah, sources are I use it every day. it's pretty huge did you come up with that via chat gbt no i swear this is this had to come from the ceo himself uh so yeah that's still true great they emphasize all of that um creators are real businesses now like the creator economy is still mostly youtube and it's it's good that they sort of emphasize re-emphasize this because we're on lots of other platforms where it's like you could have a business on instagram or you could have a business on facebook you could have a content creation TikTok business.

1:02:23Marques Brownlee:But at the end of the day, the most stable version of that is a YouTube one. Everything else is so volatile. Yeah. They've just reminded us that that's true again. So I wasn't shocked by that. Yeah. There was a brief focus on making YouTube safer for kids and people who are of learning ages. There's a quote that 79 % of teachers in the US who use YouTube agree that it helps students learn, which I thought was an interesting phrasing because I thought they were going to say 79 % of teachers in the US use YouTube to help students learn. But no, it was 79 % of the teachers who do use YouTube then think it helps students learn.

1:02:56Marques Brownlee:I think nine out of 10.

1:02:57Andrew Edwards:Oh, wait. There's 21 % of teachers who are like, yeah, we watch YouTube in class. It doesn't actually do anything. That's one in five. Yeah. Well, I think nine out of 10 people would only buy a new car if it had Apple CarPlay in it.

1:03:08Marques Brownlee:Which is interesting. Not all teachers use YouTube and not all of them who use it agree that it helps students learn. But 79 % of them do. I hear from teachers all the time who are like, I showed your video about this business to my business class in college, and it was very helpful. Thank you. I hear that all the time. So it was cool. They also will let you set the timer for scrolling shorts on your kids' account to zero. Can you do that for a time? Yeah. Can I do that for a time?

1:03:34Andrew Edwards:I was just – Wait a second.

1:03:36David Imel:Wait, that legit – I was just thinking of that in the car this morning. I was like, I deleted Twitter. I deleted Instagram. I deleted TikTok. All the shorts things, but I need YouTube for work. and I my thumb just hovers stop it and it goes

1:03:51Marques Brownlee:if I could have that I would love that timer I think it's a parental control but you might as well be able to do that too can you be the parent and the kid I want to be the guardian and the child you can if you're Ellis set up parental controls that's a good one we're very referential that's a good one you should set up parental controls and then log into your kid's account Ellis do you want to be my dad on my YouTube account I can set you as my guardian They're giving each other's dad. Yes. Yeah. So anyway, that's all good. They also had the statement that was very definitive. This is all in service of empowering parents to protect their kids in the digital world, not from the digital world, a.k.a.

1:04:26Marques Brownlee:Please keep letting your kids use YouTube.

1:04:28David Imel:It sounds like you have to protect them from 21 % of teachers because I don't know what they're showing them, but they're not learning on it.

1:04:35Marques Brownlee:Unhelpful YouTube videos. They're just watching AI slot videos. Yeah. There was another push, and I think this is going to continue because this is in their letter about making youtube content uh eligible for and rewarded for or rewarded along the same lines as like traditional media like emmys and oscars and that sort of stuff they seem to really they always have this like back of the mind like inferiority complex like they always have to prove they're better than tv by doing tv stuff i always thought it was weird it's like dude you're the biggest streaming platform people should be scared of you like you your audience loves you for like what you are but they also are like but please jimmy fallon please put it on youtube like they always have all this tv stuff and this is another one of those traditional media things they're like oh but we want this stuff to win oscars and emmys i personally don't really care if youtube videos never win oscars and emmys i think there will be a future version of that at some point that's just as valuable and prestigious the streaming we're gonna win our golden globe and then you can feel like that i we we were i don't even remember emmy nominated oscar retro tech was oscar whatever it was nominated for and i it was cool that it was nominated i that's fine that's about as far as it would go a fake award show the trophy wouldn't mean as much because i wasn't aiming to get the trophy you don't want to be an egot winner well i think that some people do i think some people aim to make a thing to win the award mkbhd the show the play the play anyway so that was that was the thing in the in the letter uh then of course they had to get to the AI stuff.

1:06:10Marques Brownlee:So here's two of the more interesting nuggets. One of them is actually not AI, but it's an interesting note. Adding a way for creators to insert baked-in ads into YouTube videos that can then disappear. What? It was just one of those little things that they just tossed in there, but that they would be working on a tool this year that lets you have a baked-in, you know how we'll do like a thanks for the sponsor and it's baked in fully into the video? Yeah. And then there's other types of ads that are not baked in. or like an overlay ad or a side ad or a pre-roll ad. It's a tool to allow YouTube to control how long that baked-in ad is viewable and then removes it.

1:06:48Marques Brownlee:And it was interesting hearing about that. And I got briefed by YouTube and talked to him a bit about this. And I guess the example that this would make the most sense is let's say you have a sponsor that would look to put an ad on your channel but can't afford, say, your whole typical viewership. but they can afford the first 100 ,000 views or the first million views. So you can have an ad that is baked in and appears in the video for the first X views and then removes when it hits that view count. So they can pay that lower total value for that sponsorship and they still get to get to your audience and you got to work with that company.

1:07:26Marques Brownlee:That worries me that this is just going to lower sponsorship rates. Why? Because companies know that after a certain point point in the video being public that the views are going way down anyway so i feel like the sponsorship the sponsors are going to be able to be like well you know since we're not getting it for the lifetime we can pay you less i think that would actually empower creators to charge more for a lifetime because videos sometimes have a longer tail and overperform so if you're reaching out to me in the past as let's say at whatever company you go hey we want to work with mkbhd and we have this stuff and we like you you like us let's work together your audience loves our product and there is a baked in ad and that video could get the regular number of views or it could happen to get 22 million views like a random video sometimes does right that company doesn't uh then pay more because of the 22 million views they got they just got a good deal basically that

1:08:23Andrew Edwards:is sort of the chaos it would also in theory allow creators to make more ads than videos yeah if they could get dynamically in like does that make sense you could have multiple sponsors for one video and it just like after the first hundred thousand the second sponsor gets yeah or it's like if you have a catalog of 20 videos like you're you know what i mean i don't know that's no creator has just 20 videos and is getting ad deals but you know what i mean like hypothetically uh that's you know you know what i mean you know what i mean you know what i mean go ta um but like uh yeah, like you could in theory not make a video for a month, but still take ad deals that get retroactively applied.

1:09:06Andrew Edwards:I also like this idea, I just want to say, because I think it'd be really fun for TV viewers if those dynamic ads played, not for me, I'm a premium subscriber, but... No. So here's... It would pay,

1:09:22David Imel:you would see it as a premium.

1:09:23Andrew Edwards:I know, but I love the idea of these playing in between videos. If they're... post-roll? So it becomes more like a linear TV experience. Like when you're watching on your couch on your TV, you know, instead of in the middle of a video having to take a break and be like, here's this service that'll allegedly delete all my data. I have no idea if it will or not. Finishing a video and then instead of getting like a normal bad post-roll like ad ad, getting something made by a creator and then going to my next video. That's like not what this does though no i know but i'm saying it opens the door to that being possible

1:09:57Marques Brownlee:i mean i guess you could put the slot at the end of the video theoretically it wouldn't be in

1:10:02Andrew Edwards:between but it would be no no i'm not saying this is what is happening i'm saying yeah the fact that now these sponsors are discrete video can be discrete video productions that are dynamically inserted and are not linked with a specific video production right youtube could in the future make the viewing experience more similar to a linear TV experience, which I think I would enjoy if I wasn't a premium subscriber. It's funny.

1:10:28David Imel:It arguably almost works better for us if we were to, because we do post roles so much. I see there being an issue for people who do more mid-roll stuff because most YouTubers like to make ads come in with a great segue and stuff. But now if we're starting to like, even if we're not going to sell second ad after first one reaches a million views now i segued into something where did that ad start and where did it end and where did it pick up from and now we just lost yeah a minute of video is there now a weird jump there i also want to know how does youtube know this is going to be an ad that's in there could i just say oh i want to i want to make a little easter egg for the first 10 000 people that watch this video can that come in and be like yo here's $15 off shop.mqbhd.com for our first thousand it's like when you go to a sporting event and you get a hat for the first 10 ,000 people I think that would be great because that would incentivize people to watch the video as soon as it goes live it would but does that mean we can put whatever the hell we want in here

1:11:33Andrew Edwards:can we do that on podcasts already

1:11:35David Imel:yes

1:11:36Andrew Edwards:dynamically inserted ads but just whatever you want yeah like there's nothing stopping us in megaphone from not putting an ad in the ad slot

1:11:43Marques Brownlee:Yeah. No, I think that's valid. I think, I mean, this is only a single line in the letter, so I don't know. There's no...

1:11:50Andrew Edwards:Well, yes, other than, you know, the people paying us. Yeah, yeah. But in theory, you know, if... In theory, if all the money just disappeared and no one wanted to sponsor us, we could just start doing whatever, man. Right? Right?

1:12:04Marques Brownlee:Yeah. No, I think this is only one line in the letter, but so we don't know what the UI is going to look like or how this tool will be allowed to be used. but I do think that that is something that will happen.

1:12:14Andrew Edwards:There is one thing I know for sure, and that is it will break chapters.

1:12:19Marques Brownlee:Yeah.

1:12:20David Imel:Already broke it. Yeah, wait, we're about to dynamically put ads in, and I still need to type out the damn numbers for chapters.

1:12:27Marques Brownlee:We've been saying forever chapters should be built in UI. It should just be a thing. There are three truths in life. Death, taxes, and chapters breaking. Breaking within the first hour.

1:12:36David Imel:I think some people are going to be mad at this because now technically so if you're a youtube premium subscriber you don't want ads that's a big reason why you pay for it previously youtube couldn't control the ads that people bake into videos now they are kind of controlling it and i think premium subscribers are not going to want to see it i agree with everything we're saying here and like for a creator this is good and And probably for most audiences, this is good because, hey, maybe you watch our videos later that night. You might not even have to see an ad that we do. That's like one that we need to, you know, continue paying our employees and having a building and everything.

1:13:18Marques Brownlee:It's really, it's interesting. I think it lands on the creator how they choose to use the tools or not use the tools. So, like, if I'm subscribed to premium, I don't expect to see pre-rolls ever or whatever, like pop-up ads or anything like that. but you still see all of the mid-roll ads that YouTubers do all the time and post-roll ads and things like that. The integrated stuff. So the main difference is going to be that sometimes it gets deleted. So if I'm a premium subscriber, I'm still going to see all the mid-rolls and the post-rolls from all the creators who choose to continue to do that, but sometimes the creators will choose to use the YouTube tool to get one that's dynamically inserted, and then you might not ever see that one maybe.

1:13:55Marques Brownlee:So it feels like a win just for everyone who doesn't have to see the ads that get deleted. But yes, it is like putting it in the hands of YouTube. But I guess I wouldn't expect YouTube to just delete every ad that goes through that tool for premium users. That would seem like not something that they can do. It reminds me of the skip ahead feature that they have. Yeah, which is a premium feature, I believe. And the skip ahead feature is just a auto, it's like, I think it detects based on user behavior. It seems like people fast forward for 30 seconds here, and it's usually because of an ad. And that's why they imagine that feature, but that's why that exists.

1:14:35David Imel:I thought that felt like a way of YouTube being like, hey, we're going to give this to the benefit of the users, but only because that's money we're not getting a slice of right now. So it's good for the users because it's not hurting our bottom line. Then my ultimate goal for here is if YouTube's allowing us to use this feature with our ads that we're negotiating, where's their benefit from this?

1:14:54Marques Brownlee:Yeah, will they eventually take a cut of those ads?

1:14:56David Imel:and can they because like they're not part of negotiations from i don't know it could be like something weird's gonna happen it could be some sort of premium paid ad slot feature that they ask for a cut of or something or like they give the option to put another ad in there maybe it's like oh we negotiate with dbrand and pay for a million views and they're like oh but after that million views is up here's x amount of like ones that now could live in here yeah they want to their own ads in there and then they start getting a cut after the first 100 ,000 or whatever

1:15:28Andrew Edwards:it starts being YouTube ads this is also going to give advertisers I feel like a way more accurate ROI because they can see exactly exactly what they're buying exactly who clicked for a million because it is chaotic right now it's like you could pay for you could pay for a video and you get you get 22 million views or you get like a hundred thousand you don't know what it's going

1:15:49Marques Brownlee:to be yeah you try your best to like and i see this in contracts all the time they try to slip in like a minimum view guarantee like oh if it doesn't get enough views then you have to do another make yeah free and don't ever creators do not sign those red flags so obviously advertisers always want to know exactly what they're getting and so maybe this is a tool that lets them know more specifically in some cases exactly what they're getting i that annoys me so like if

1:16:14David Imel:you're an advertiser and for some reason listening to this especially this deep into the episode like Like, stop worrying about, I know you kind of have to worry about the numbers, but like do the partnership because you like that creator and their audience and you think this is a good, like, if you put a minimum view guarantee, it's such a red flag of like, you don't care about this partnership at all.

1:16:36Marques Brownlee:There's different tiers of partnerships, I feel like in YouTube. And some of them want to be, like I always use dbrand as an example. They know what it's like to work with a creator and they are really good at working with creators and facilitating letting the creator do their own creative, that's why you work with them, and reaching your audience with their product. That's like what you want it to be. Some companies are bad at that. And so they're after like, okay, we need to run a campaign that gets 10 million views and we need to get it in front of young, affluent tech purchasers. Okay, what do we do?

1:17:08Marques Brownlee:We work with these three tech YouTubers, we guarantee 10 million views and we press buy. And that's not the same thing.

1:17:14David Imel:It's probably a lot of that is, we work with insert middleman marketing agency and that person that is like i want to give these

1:17:22Marques Brownlee:yeah yeah so yeah it's one more tool i i noticed it in there i feel like we'll see it when it rolls out it'll be interesting but yeah then of course then the last bit was ai um so yes ai there's still going to be ai creation tools on youtube just like last year they talked about this they're adding more tools. We're actively also, they say they're actively combating AI slop. They're trying to reduce the spread of low quality AI content by building our established systems that have been very successful in combating spam and clickbait and reducing the spread of low quality repetitive content.

1:17:58David Imel:That sentence was repetitive. Yeah.

1:17:59Marques Brownlee:So I wonder... Was there an M-dash in there? I don't know exactly how effective their tools have been, but they claim to be both adding ai creation tools and combating ai slop that is fascinating and then last i saw they mentioned a tool that they plan to roll out this year which will allow creators to create shorts using their own likeness i can't wait to try this i don't know what and i'm super against this for regular people but for us five i want to do this so bad it's really interesting last year i have vague memories of them talking about this i don't know if it was in the letter or at an event i went to where essentially YouTube has your likeness and can use your voice and your face to make you dance and like walk around and do things in videos and do trends.

1:18:48Marques Brownlee:And I don't see how this isn't slop, but some people are going to make it fun and they're going to make it like entertaining, interesting content. And I'm not sure how people are going to use it.

1:19:00David Imel:This is how I'm going to do the podcast from now on Sunday.

1:19:02Marques Brownlee:It might be a little late. Yeah. 300 episodes. Yeah, that'll be interesting to keep an eye on because our likenesses. Can't wait to make us dance. Yeah. This is definitely an opt-in thing as well.

1:19:16David Imel:I hope so. Yeah. Okay. This just makes me have two requests at the end of it. Okay. The version of the time limit on shorts, but I want to parent me the parent. That sounds fantastic.

1:19:29Marques Brownlee:Yeah.

1:19:30David Imel:And how have we still not done chapter stuff yet? You brought it up and now I'm just mad again. and all I could think about this whole time is they're dynamically inserting ads and we still don't have a UI for chapters. Seems crazy. They should name it after us when they finally do it.

1:19:42Marques Brownlee:You know what I also learned when we did our all mistakes video?

1:19:45David Imel:Mm-hmm.

1:19:46Marques Brownlee:The same way that you add chapters to a YouTube video, which is by going to the description and typing all of your timestamps and formatting the chapter names yourself and then YouTube auto-detects that formatting and adds the UI, that's the same way you add corrections slash annotations to YouTube videos today. But they never told us that. There's still a feature. They don't tell you about this. They don't like actually, it's not built into the UI. You then go down to the bottom and add the word corrections colon space timestamp and then write the corrections out and it shows up visually in the corner.

1:20:19Marques Brownlee:I hate they have to run freaking Python script in order.

1:20:22David Imel:Why don't they just add this into this UI?

1:20:25Andrew Edwards:They should just add it into the upload. Everything is just a Python script, David. Quick, say something false so I can correct this. I'm 8.5 feet tall

1:20:33Marques Brownlee:perfect correction he's 8.75 feet tall actually

1:20:37David Imel:is this true

1:20:39Marques Brownlee:so yeah they refuse to build the UI I don't know why it's taking so long or why they refuse to do it but you can do corrections and time stamps for chapters and hope they don't break just cross your fingers cool speaking of things that don't break trivia hit the lights

1:20:57Andrew Edwards:they do break

1:20:59Marques Brownlee:They do break. Everything's broken. Only when I say they don't break.

1:21:01Andrew Edwards:Every week. Wow. Touch designer crashed. You totally jinxed it, Marquez.

1:21:07Marques Brownlee:Yeah, for sure.

1:21:08Andrew Edwards:Okay, trivia. But first, a quick moment of silence for Jimmy Butler's ACL.

1:21:16David Imel:Damn. That was the worst moment of silence?

1:21:20Andrew Edwards:Yeah, no silence. Eat it, ACL? I can say it. I've lost four of them. are any of your acls yours anymore no wait you got an acl transplant that's how you fix acl i thought they take it from another part of your body it depends oh they're mine they're not my

1:21:39David Imel:acls though they're my patella tendon and my hamstring i don't have a cadaver someone else's acl i didn't do that i was too young and flexible which got proven wrong when i tore it three more

1:21:50Andrew Edwards:times after this amazing anyway guys what took a shorter amount of time shorter amount of time sam maltman saying we won't put ads in or not we won't but sam maltman saying we're gonna try not to put ads in chat gpt and then putting ads in chat gpt or google making stadia available to buy

1:22:13Marques Brownlee:and then not available to buy and can you remind us this the timeline for the sam maltman quote

1:22:20Andrew Edwards:what lasted longer? I will say it is from 2024 to 2026, but I won't say what month in 2020. You said shutters are closer. They are closer. Which is shorter. Which is a shorter amount of time. What happened faster? Also, I just want to say, you know what, actually? This is going to be a rare... When I tried to find exactly what month Sam Altman said that, the only place that I found an accurate thing in was Google AI overviews. Everyone else who tweeted about it said it happened in October, but it did not happen in October. It happened in May. And everyone reported that it happened in October because the video of him saying it got uploaded in October, but the video was shot in May.

1:23:10Andrew Edwards:So please do your due diligence, internet tweeters.

1:23:14David Imel:Ellis is an AI overview lover. Yeah.

1:23:16Andrew Edwards:Alice in AI overview

1:23:20David Imel:sitting in a tree.

1:23:21Andrew Edwards:There's your next correction.

1:23:24David Imel:Love him and read. What do we got?

1:23:25Andrew Edwards:Thank you. Who would like to read first? I think it was Stadia that was shorter. Stadia had a lifespan of November 2019 to January 2023 giving it a 38 month lifespan which is incorrect. And Andrew Drew and David, you guys have the same answer. Yeah, sort of. Same but different.

1:23:50David Imel:Yeah. I said ChatGPT.

1:23:51Andrew Edwards:I said Altman. Which is both correct. Yeah. That was 20 months. Back to my old ways of not getting trivia points. Adam. Well, yeah, Marquez, you should just decide your answer and then... No, no, that's rude. You got it right last week. I got one point this year. You're doing fine. No, no, no, no. Yeah, actually, yeah. You have. Quick update on the score. Thank you for everyone who commented last week That it was incorrect in the video We fixed it today Now correction It is actually Marquez with 12 Andrew with 16 after that correct answer And David with 15 after that correct answer Now Next one

1:24:31Marques Brownlee:And this one's worth 50 points 50 points on the line

1:24:34Andrew Edwards:No not 50 points How old was Ellis when the first episode of American Idol aired in 2002? Is this closest or you just have to get it right? I'll let I'll do closest So someone gets a point Who will it be? Will it be you David? It's not Price is Right It's Delta Yeah I'm just going Delta here

1:25:00Andrew Edwards:How well do you know American Idol And Ellis What is that Venn diagram?

1:25:09David Imel:Whoa

1:25:11Andrew Edwards:What do you got? that's so specific

1:25:17Marques Brownlee:I don't know when any of this stuff happened I said 10 months old I said 3 David what did you say?

1:25:26David Imel:I said 5

1:25:27Andrew Edwards:so the correct answer that's 4 isn't it? is 4 so you both got a point no

1:25:36so I knew how old this was now but I didn't take into account the fact that he was born in July and this was June I did that I didn't think about that dang well I feel bad

1:25:46Marques Brownlee:I forgot you were in July I could have sworn Ellis was 12 I'm gonna get a point I'm gonna get a point for sure did you guys know it's gonna snow this weekend

1:25:57David Imel:allegedly for anyone that's still listening every break we've taken this entire last three hours is Marquez just online with 40 articles about how much it's gonna snow this weekend it's so much

1:26:07Andrew Edwards:if we make it a trivia question will it snow this weekend

1:26:11David Imel:it won't that's a joke about you getting everything wrong yeah he's too busy tweeting

1:26:18Marques Brownlee:about the snow right now it's it's gonna snow a lot anyway well join us back next week when i hopefully get maybe a point on trivia uh it'll be february by then won't it no we got one more january episode i think so stay tuned for that thanks for watching thanks for listening thanks for subscribing most importantly and uh getting us off the hype train you know what that means catch you guys in the next one.

1:26:40David Imel:People were saying they could still hype us for some reason so that's broken already.

1:26:45Marques Brownlee:Keep hyping us then. See you later. Bye.

1:26:49David Imel:Peace. We're talking about

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