Fitbit Air and Ferrari's Luce Fiasco

13:10David Imel:I think it's safe to say that you, though, could be someone who wants to ask the AI coach questions and then help that in some senses, like create a workout, blah, blah, blah, but don't always want it and you're like quick like this feels like it should be a the home page should be like a quick glance at things so like under this is workouts right you're stealing the words right out of my mouth goodness i can't even glanceable it should be glanceable this is not a glanceable text so i feel like you can customize this by the way you can make this six things this this is this but like underneath it usually then tracks shows your individual workouts that you can click into the top 40 is glanceable the bottom 40 is like all the coach information that it like i think that could be a or at least an option to be a separate tab like i would probably just want to see my workouts and quickly go into them but i could see some benefit of still contacting the coach and asking questions and having a chat log i use it all the time based i like this i just mean i wouldn't write the main page yeah the main page feed of it yapping all the time yeah it's insane one of the biggest problems i have with the gemini integration as the coach though is that it feels like the coach like the gemini coach doesn't It has access to the data that it collects, but it doesn't always look at it.

14:21So, for example, at like 5 p.m., it was like, are you still going to hit your 10 a.m. workout? Of which I had already done. You know, it didn't have that information. It asked me if I was going to go on a long walk when I'd already gone on a long walk. It like randomly set a random number of calories that I'd eaten that was not the amount of calories that I'd ingested into the app. And there are all these metrics that you can look at in the app and you can see the data is right there. But Gemini doesn't seem to pull that data all the time. It does it like randomly and sometimes, but it doesn't do it like correctly every time.

14:55And then sometimes it just hallucinates information.

14:58David Imel:Does Fit had an instance where it has the information on what his bedtime was. And then 20 minutes after his bedtime was sending him tips on how to get better sleep that night for a better recovery. It's like, I'm asleep already. this is past the bedtime that's listed inside of the app that you're pulling from yeah and then i don't know it just so multiple times throughout the day the gemini coach will give you little summaries of things that you've done notify notifies you yeah yeah yeah but it is so it happens so much like i went on a 19 minute walk to the coffee shop and it was like that 19 minute walk was so great david i didn't set a walk or anything it just automatically created a summary and it was like, you slowed down around minute 10.

15:39Did you hit a red light? And I'm like, I walked to the cafe. I do not see why I need a summary of this or why you need me to explain myself. You know, it's just, it's very strange.

15:50Marques Brownlee:I think there's a middle ground. Like all these features with the coach are very like beginner focused, I think, where a lot of people see all this data, but they don't know how to interpret it. A lot of people look at the Apple Health app, which is full of data, tons and tons of information that's being gathered by your Apple Watch. and then don't really know what to do with that information or how to contextualize it or even know if that number is high or low or if it's trending up or down and what should I do with this. So the idea of the coach or the AI coach or the summaries and all this stuff is to give you some actionable something based on the information that it's collecting.

16:25Marques Brownlee:It's not very good yet. AI still hallucinates. We still want it to be way better, but that's the idea behind it. And I think for us, it's probably not targeted towards us. If we've used Garmin's, we've used Apple Watches, we know what we're doing with a lot of this stuff. But for the very beginner who's just like, I don't know, I've been closing my rings for a while, but should I be doing more steps per day? Should I be drinking more water? That's ideally what this is for.

16:47David Imel:I think a good middle ground to that, though, that would help my just glanceable aspect of this is, you know, if that front page shows the metrics up top, then has the bottom part that would show workouts, if then it just had a button that's just like, that would trigger what you want from the coach. So like maybe at the top it says like, how's my day going? so far or like what should I prioritize tonight how was my last workout that one because it's just taking up so much room to assume that every time you look at it or three or four times a day it's going to give you another wall of text yeah that's I think my issue is like I just don't need to see that text all the time give me a little button to press and like that's when pop up AI coach to Google's credit when I was talking to them on the phone they were I I told them like why do I need you know a summary when I went on a 19 minute walk and they said they don't want to tell people what exercise is you know because to some people personalized to some people a two hour walk is nothing to some people a 20 minute walk is something so they don't want to necessarily be like you didn't do exercise versus you did do exercise and that's fair and honestly I think that Fitbits traditionally have sort of been geared towards like beginners who like want to get into fitness but it's funny because like I feel like this is targeted towards the people who want whoops but don't want to pay the money for a whoop so i feel like it should be more a little more geared when i was first writing my

18:08Marques Brownlee:review i was like this is this is like for people who are thinking about getting a whoop or who do have a whoop but they really don't need one yeah and this is this is way better for them and way less expensive for all the 75 of the things that they were using the whoop for now they're using

18:23David Imel:100 of the fitbit and it's still fine yeah i agree i think there are a lot of whoop users who are tired of paying all the time and kind of know what all you're gonna get the same stats pretty much but now you can pay once and i do it the whoop subreddit is a lot of people looking at the fit oh interesting yeah some other crazy bugs that i had um when this is still occurring on my app so waiting to be fixed by the way google put out a roadmap of bug fixes yesterday on the day of launch that's a lot of bugs they probably should have fixed them before the launch or like you know made the app work before they announced the launch date probably but there's a lot of bugs there's a A lot of bugs on there.

19:02Anyway, this is what my workout. That's still insane. It's insane. They still look like this. For audio listeners, it's like. What workout is that? Literally just starting a strength workout. Strength workout. Any sort of workout that I do.

19:15David Imel:It gets worse as I look at it. And there's only four elements on the wall. So there's a gray rectangle in the center that only has three data points. One is cardio load and it's giant. The other one is heart rate and energy burned. And they are not aligned at all. and then there's giant black boxes around it and then the pause button is also sort of just randomly offset.

19:35Marques Brownlee:To me, this is a did you even test this? Mine looks fine when I start a strength workout, but for some reason, heart rate does not have a unit and energy burn does have a unit. Well, because you don't have the... No, it never does have a unit. Oh, really? It never shows BPM. Mine does sometimes. Sometimes it doesn't show any of this information until I finish the workout and then it gives me all the information. but it continuously has this problem which is pretty insane. Yours says energy burned and the unit is like cut off by the UI of the pause button which should be at the bottom. Wait, you don't have a timer

20:08David Imel:on that at all. Marques has had

20:09Marques Brownlee:Your timer is being covered up. For some reason the bottom of your app is just totally messed up. I don't know why. Well when I talked to them they said they hadn't really tested it in dark mode. Well, there's the did you even test it. Which is the really when they told me that I was like wow okay.

20:25David Imel:That's crazy. That screen needs a heart rate zone. I'm confused about why there's so many bugs for things like that because this has basically been out since like what October or November in the public beta. Like I've had this UI for months. So how does it still not? I do not know. I don't know. It is strange.

20:43Marques Brownlee:It is strange. See this. This is my I'll take a screenshot for the pod listeners. The calories burned says calories and it's slightly higher than the heart rate which should say yours is offset too. So it's just a little bit offset. but I do have the time down there because the pause button is supposed to be at the bottom. Yours is like moved up over the clock, which is weird.

21:02David Imel:Well, and it's two different like dark mode backgrounds on David. It's like a gray and a black black, which is super messed up. This, I don't mind this screen in general if dark mode worked. That obviously needs to be aligned properly. I would love the option to put a heart rate zone graph on this. I feel like so many people appreciate that in terms of live metrics. Certain types of workouts.

21:24Marques Brownlee:There's not as much customization. Like I think a lot of these should have more customized layouts for while you're working.

21:30David Imel:This feels like a layout that is meant for customization. Like this is just giving you so many options because of how blank and simple it is. Other ways where Gemini just doesn't seem to be connected to your actual data that you're collecting. On the first day that I use this, I woke up and it sort of prompts you when you wake up. It tells you how you slept and it says, are you planning anything for today? And I said, I'm going to go on a pretty long walk this morning. It said, that's cool. let me know how long the walk is when you get back which first of all shouldn't it just be tracking that um kind of strange so i was like okay i will and i got back from my walk and i said that was 127 minutes and it immediately is like hmm interesting i see a 127 minute walk that i've already logged do you want me to delete it i was like but it did that for me too so it it feels like gemini the the llm is like not really talking correctly to the data sets that is interesting

22:24Marques Brownlee:Yeah, a lot of my Gemini stuff is telling me it's based on the conversations that I've had with it. So I'd set up. I was like, here's my seven day week schedule. I have like games on weekends, practice on Wednesdays. And it looks at the weather. It's like, hey, it's going to be hot today. You have practice later. Hydrate like that stuff makes sense. But it's not. You're right. Like a lot of that's not coming from the workouts that I've already done. The actual data that it collects on.

22:45David Imel:Yeah, I feel like another example of it focusing way more on the AI part and not on the data set. if you watch DC Rainmaker's review, at one point he does a workout and jokingly sends a picture of chips and queso and a glass of wine and says, is this a good recovery testing? He's like, is this a good recovery meal? And he's like, no. And then after every single workout, it's like, oh, you'll do a great job. We're getting those calories back with the queso and rosé tonight and just keeps mentioning it over and over. It never forgets the things he said. I want to coin this like AI fixation or something because Gemini does this for me all the time anyway and yesterday I ate a chicken burrito for lunch and I wanted to test the food logging feature that it has because another one of the features with the premium subscription that you can log food by taking pictures of it.

23:36It knows what it is. Famously never has worked ever with any product. It works okay with macro factor which is what I use for calorie tracking. I'm impressed because I've never gotten it to work. I'll never believe that any of those

23:46David Imel:work on any of those. It just doesn't have enough. It can't. I mean, it's never a burrito. It's closed. You can't see what's inside.

23:51Marques Brownlee:I cut it open. I cut it open.

23:54David Imel:There's no.

23:55Marques Brownlee:And it could tell the size of the burrito and how much chicken. It's probably not accurate. It's not.

23:59David Imel:It is not accurate. And that's all a calorie tracker is supposed to be as accurate. One thing that I think it would work with, and I want to test it out because I haven't seen it yet. Yeah. I saw that people have been able to like write down like their exercises, their weights, their reps and like on a piece of paper. Yeah. And take a picture of that. and you can transfer that. That does work. That makes sense. Sounds cool. I don't know why you would do that when there's like a thousand apps that do it, but I guess some people do. Some people do. I don't like using apps. That's fair. I just never do it.

24:28That's fair.

24:28David Imel:There are a lot of people who have like workout notebooks and then just being able to log it with a picture actually sounds like a great... To the point about my chicken burrito, like I logged the chicken burrito with like the logging thing and then for the next like two days, it was just like, that chicken burrito is really fueling your recovery. it was like two days later I was like it really locks in it's like it's trying to impress you with it remembering I think that's what it is and then yesterday at the end of the day it was like you did a great job you had 117 grams of protein and I had 157 logged so I don't it is just like there's random information like in the app said 157 but in the Gemini thing said 117 no in the app it said 157 and then the Gemini prompt yeah it told me 117 I will give it to Fitbit.

25:18They do a really good job of ingesting information from other apps. So Apple Health on the iPhone, if you use the iPhone, Apple Health ingests information from Macrofactor, which is my calorie tracking app, from FitBod, which is my workout app. And then Apple Health feeds into Google Health. So it actually has all of my calorie stuff. It has all that stuff. And that's really nice because everything is just built in there, but then it will just randomly hallucinate information too so yeah i don't know i think the main problem i see with this is that it just feels like gemini and the data set are not a cohesive like integrated thing they seem like they're separate things and it messes up a lot yeah all of that being said i still really like this product yeah it has really amazing battery life like i they say it's seven days and i started using this eight days ago and it's still alive at 19%.

26:13Marques Brownlee:Yeah, I feel like I got the worst battery life of everybody I watched the reviews of. It was supposed to be seven days and I think I got to the end of day six and it was dead. Six hour workouts

26:20David Imel:a day probably. Well, I do like

26:23Marques Brownlee:I've been doing a lot of workouts too.

26:24David Imel:I got mine at roughly 5pm 5, yeah, like 5pm yesterday and it is now at 70%. Whoa. Did you charge it to full? No, I unboxed it. It was at like 75%. Oh, that's important. That's very important. All right, Gemini over there. Also, when you start a workout, there's just like a list and it's just kind of it's not that built out. Are there no favorites?

26:46Marques Brownlee:They should learn from Whoop here. As soon as you start doing workouts it should put those favorites at the top. You start a workout and you're like which type of workout is it? Well it should have a small list of the most recent or most common workouts. The Apple Watch does that too. As soon as I go to make a workout it's like oh here's the most recent ones you've done. That's like an easy thing.

27:01David Imel:Or like just being able to customize it at least. Yeah.

27:04Marques Brownlee:A couple of favorites in there. That should be easy. One last bug I had that I was able to fix by logging out and logging back in is that when I went to the friends and family section where you can like make friends and have leaderboards and stuff it would just have a spinning dial and then it would

27:18David Imel:go away and the whole screen would just turn black a lot it seems like there are quite a few of those where like uh heart rate variability or something would like have the graph but not the number and you'd have to log in log back in it just seems like a lot of data points go missing in the middle of the app but i know yeah i completely forgot that was a thing i'm challenging you oh challenge me, yeah. On the Fitbit? Yeah, well, I'm crushing David Kogan and Sherilyn right now. 50 ,000 steps for a week. Yeah, but Kogan has a whole coffee shop to run. That's cheating. That's a lot of

27:47Marques Brownlee:steps. I know. Pretty good. I have another bug that is probably more of a flex than a bug, but you get low heart rate notifications for anything under 50. So I just get them all day. He's like, you're so relaxed. Low heart rate. Hey, if you're dizzier later, it's probably because of this. I'm like, it's not. It's fine. This is how we

28:06David Imel:find out Marcus is actually always just napping in front of his computer and none of us can tell.

28:10Marques Brownlee:It doesn't let me change with the low heart rate notification threshold. Oh, it doesn't let you go... Oh, you can change it to 40. Wait, hold on. So it should show that in the notification. The default is 50. The default is 50. And then it says, would you like to dismiss? And I'm like, yes. And then it just tells me again. Okay, so 40 is the lowest you can get a notification. Okay, found a new bug. I can't have you guys. Wait, does it have a black screen? It just won't open up show phone contacts. Yeah, these are on my low heart rate notification. Oh, there's a show phone contact? 40s. Oh. Yeah, there's a lot of bugs.

28:42This is such a weird product because despite all the bugs, I still think it's a great value. It's so weird. It is a great value. Yeah, this is the weirdest.

28:51David Imel:I think this is proof that if you make a really good product and hopefully most of the bugs are software and you hope that they can fix them, it's like, I still think this is great. I think I might get one. I think this blows whoop out of the water. obviously I'm a certified whoop hater but my like take on this is if you want a screenless wearable this is it for 99 % of the people and the 1 % of people who want to whoop 99 % of that 1 % you don't need the whoop you're just telling yourself you need the whoop the Fitbit is totally fine and it's$100 for the rest of your life I don't see any reason you don't really need the AI subscription either and Google is like so now Google has a thing where if you have AI Pro or AI Premium.

29:34It also comes with YouTube Premium Lite for free and it comes with Google Health for free. Premium Lite? Yeah, it's a newer thing. And I think we need

29:46David Imel:to give Google credit that they made a product that is really, really good without the subscription and the subscription maybe gives you some super niche things but like usually they're like, here's all the niche things and we're going to throw one or two super critical things in there that you're actually paying a ton of money for and we can make it super expensive because AI but like 99 % of the things you would want are included. I think most people should have this without the subscription. That is what I think Whoop should do moving forward. I think they should offer a bunch of stuff just by default for free and then if you really want their hardcore tracking which a lot of people do if you're getting a Whoop then that's what you pay for.

30:24David Imel:Yeah well Whoop's too busy trying to give out a bunch of free memberships to MS cards or whatever and IPO but like Another big reason why I think the Fitbit is such a good deal is because it just exposes how bad of a deal the Whoop is right now. Yes. It also, it's half the thickness. Yeah. It's also smaller and thinner. It's narrower, yeah. Just the comparisons on wrists is like, why would you ever wear the Whoop? This looks so much nicer. I haven't worn it yet. I think I am going to get it. I'm really excited for the third-party ecosystem that makes like bicep straps and chest straps.

30:54Marques Brownlee:Yeah, that was another thing I mentioned. That'll happen. Because there's a ton of accessories for the others and the Whoop especially, but it's just the wristbands for this right now. Yeah. But obviously being thinner and lighter and smaller, I feel like people are going to want to put this on the bicep or whatever. The chest strap, all the other accessories will be. Because the actual puck on this is very, very tiny. Yeah. Yeah. That's great. One thing I've been thinking about is this isn't really a new product.

31:16David Imel:Nope. This is just a Fitbit. Yeah. I had this 10 years ago. Yeah. And they just released a new band and everyone's losing their mind. No screen, no time. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's what happens when your competitor is scamming people, essentially. Well, it's also funny that the original Fitbits didn't have screens. And then we slowly moved towards screens as wearables became more popular. Because I was like, cool, smartwatches, smartwatches. And now everyone's like, ah, notifications, notifications. I don't want those. New concept of a screenless wearable. Everything is a flat circle. Can I give my couple wishes for 2.0?

31:45David Imel:Sure. Because I think I am going to get one of these. But this is what I want. Fitbit Air 2.0 or Google Health App 2.0? Fitbit Air 2.0 because some of these are hardware things. No, maybe they could. Okay. I know I'm a broken record saying I want notifications. I think it has the vibration motor already. Wait, for the air? You want notifications?

32:04Marques Brownlee:Notifications for a screenless finish tracker? I don't want notifications. I just want to...

32:07David Imel:Wrong! Okay, all of you guys need to just let me say this. Wait, okay. Sometimes I just want to know if I have a phone call without it buzzing in my pocket. So if it buzzes on my wrist, I have a phone call. That's so simple and so easy and it can do it. I guess that's okay. Yeah, easy. Or the little notification thing just blinks. Then it's just like every once in a while, I'm like, oh, that's blinking on. It has an LED light that can blink. That only blinks for pairing, right? And battery. And battery. But like that should be able to blink and just see like, cool, I have some text messages. I can look at my phone later.

32:39David Imel:Okay. Seems super simple. The app, live metric screen needs heart rate zones. Yeah. It would be really sick if in the future it had like a couple LEDs on the side that were different colors and could just show live upper heart rate zones on the side of the watch band.

32:56Marques Brownlee:It's actually close to a deal breaker for me that the live HIIT workout does not show you what heart rate zone you're in. Yes.

33:02David Imel:I think so many people, especially now, target heart rate zones during workouts. Yeah. Especially cardio workouts. Yeah. Wait, even on the phone? The phone doesn't show the graph. It does show a heart rate, but it shows zones. It shows your heart rate? It doesn't show the zone. It doesn't show the zone for anything. Okay. and then this is so niche but I use my watch so often to find my phone when I misplace it so if there's some sort of a gesture that could make my phone ring that would be awesome that didn't go off by accident all the time that would be the biggest issue and probably why that will never happen but I'm a fan while we're wishing give me Google Pay Google Pay NFC while we're adding things how about a screen I just want to know the time I just want to look and see the time.

33:45Marques Brownlee:Yeah.

33:46David Imel:I've gone past the I'm fine with it not having time.

33:49Marques Brownlee:Okay. Cool. No time. Random one last question. Do you think Apple should make a screenless fitness tracker? Yes. Alongside the Apple Watch. Dude, if they made like a thin one, because Fitbit used to make like a thin sort of like stylish one. I think if Apple did, that would be game over.

34:02David Imel:Initially, this is why I've been going so hard down this road was because I wanted Apple specifically to make one because I loved using the Apple Watch and Apple Health and everything, but I didn't like wearing an Apple Watch. Yeah. So I wanted just another little band, like the Nike Fuel band from back in the day.

34:16Marques Brownlee:I think if you really want to cook Whoop, like they have all the bones to make the ideal, like privacy focused, your data never leaves a device. You don't have to have a screen, but it's connected to your phone, obviously, because it's an Apple fitness tracker. So probably will tell you when you have notifications. But it'll also be the sleek one, the cool one. It'll be lightweight. It'll have a ton of accessories because it's Apple and everyone makes a bunch of accessories. They have the ability and potentially revamping the Google Health app with this new Apple intelligence, obviously powered by Gemini, but potentially giving you some tips and stand hours, closing your rings, but maybe a little more personalization.

34:49Marques Brownlee:They can do something like that. Yeah. But Apple Watch is Apple Watch. Apple's always been big about the glanceable style too. So if you can just see that someone's wearing an Apple fitness tracker. The little white knit band on everybody's wrist. Yeah. It's like, yeah.

35:03David Imel:I think this Fitbit Air, one of the biggest things about it is we're already seeing Garmin potentially coming out with, like, I think this is starting to like, guys, all of us make these sensors already. We can literally just make them with less money. Like they're all realizing like we can make a ton of money off of this. And Whoop is probably not just scared of Fitbit, but they're scared of the fact that everyone else realizes that they can make these. There is still an opportunity, a market opportunity, and I've thought about making this, of someone making a watch band for regular watches that just happens to have the tracking sensors on the bottom of the watch band.

35:37People have been, at least on my feed, trying to do this already. They've been slapping that on loops. I've been tagged like five times with pictures like that already. But they look kind of bad. And also the sensors on the bottom when it's supposed to be on the top of your wrist. But if someone built it around the bottom of your wrist, you know, it'd be better. I'm just not going to do a strength workout with an Omega Speedmaster on my wrist. No, I know. I know. But like for the everyday tracking of like, you know, that kind of stuff, heart rate stuff. One last thing. I have talked to a lot of regular non-techie people about this.

36:08the number one feature that made them actually excited to maybe possibly buy one of these is the fact that it can vibrate as an alarm yes i do really that was nice because if you like wrist alarm if you like sleep in the same bed as another person and you don't want to wake them up with your alarm just having that go off is like really nice also it has a feature where because it's tracking your sleep it'll detect when you come out of a sleep cycle yeah and within a 30 minute area variability it will wake you up when it's an optimal time that's pretty common that's how i woke up alarms with trackers yeah which um i think the asleep does too and i when it when it wakes me up right as i'm coming out of sleep cycle i'm like yeah but i start levitating i

36:51David Imel:immediately rolled over and went back to sleep i was like absolutely you look at the time you're like 20 minutes early bro what i feel you know wrist alarms are awesome except for you can be 10 % awake and turned it off really easily. That was my problem.

37:02Marques Brownlee:It's so easy to dismiss by just tapping it. And that's not snooze, that's dismissed. So it's gone. So you gotta be careful with that. Well, a lot of regular people are very excited about that feature. So anyway, yeah, I really, really can't wait until they make new bands for this and I can hide it and wear a normal watch. It'd be great. For those of you who are wondering after my review if I've continued using the Fitbit, you might have noticed that I am holding the Fitbit, but I'm still wearing the Whoop and the Apple Watch. I am so torn about what I want to do about this. I don't know what I want to finish off my fitness journey with.

37:35Marques Brownlee:Whoop underwear. They do make that wrong. I'm like deep into the calibration stuff with the Whoop. What? They make Whoop underwear. They're like fitness tracking undies? It's underwear that has a little special pocket to put the Whoop puck in. Yeah, it's messed up. I think you should at least let Whoop's

37:55David Imel:configuration figure you out.

37:57Marques Brownlee:Yeah, I'll finish the rest of the full calibration or whatever. But I'm like, do I want to get rid of my Apple Watch? I really like being able to check the time on my wrist. Super simple. And I really like getting notifications on my wrist. And I don't know if I can get rid of those two things. But I also don't think I want to wear both of these. So that's hard.

38:16David Imel:I think you're going to stick with the Apple Watch.

38:18Marques Brownlee:I think that's most likely. I think honestly what's probably going to happen is I'll get to the end of the Whoop calibration and then I'll look at the subscription apps for the Apple Watch that can do almost the same thing. that like Whoop is suing, so I know they're pretty close. Yeah, yeah. People have been talking about that. They've been saying that that app that's getting sued by Whoop for having like similar like looking metrics apparently makes the Apple Watch like basically a Whoop. Yeah, they're pretty expensive.

38:42David Imel:Apparently the price has gone up. It's$100 a year for Bevel. Athletic is like 30 bucks a year. That is such a primo like price for an app. It's like two or three dollars a month. Whoop has started to attempt to make their pricing better value. Like they added basically a FitBod type like workout tracker inside of the Whoop thing now. So we'll tell you what exercises to do in real time. Because I pay, I think it's like$80 a year for FitBod. So they need to add value because if they don't keep adding value like that, then it's a horrible deal. Yeah, yeah.

39:16Marques Brownlee:That's the thing I hope most comes from all this is Whoop fixing, adjusting their hardware so that it's less of a thick band and adjusting their subscription pricing and maybe not being a brick if you unsubscribe. That's the number one. That would be nice. For me. Forget the IPO. Just work on that. IPO is crazy. Cool. All right. Well, we have a lot more to talk about with the Ferrari. I think we should do the Luce after the break because there's plenty to talk about with the electric Ferrari. But before we get to that, we should do some trivia. Man, I had a sneeze coming so hard and I just kept like, you know, when you just calm yourself down and it goes to the back of your head.

39:51I heard that it gets stuck there. Later in the show, we're going to talk about some Motorola news. They're back in it. So I wanted this first question to be about. They never left. They never.

40:02David Imel:The story is not their back. No. Yeah. Yeah. The story is. Well, you know. Okay. Sorry. No spoilers. However. Okay. First trivia question about Motorola. Because when we think of Motorola, we immediately think of the late aughts, the early 2010s. We think of phones like the Motorola Droid and Droid 2 and eventually Droid 3. The Razer. Yeah, Razer. And the Razer. Wow, I can't believe I left that out. However. You were three. One.

40:35Yes. However, there is one really noteworthy Motorola phone from that era that does not get brought up enough. And the reason it is noteworthy is because it was the first phone that I could find that had both a multi-touch touchscreen and an IP67 rating. This phone was from 2010, I want to say. What phone was it?

41:00Marques Brownlee:Oh, the first Motorola phone with a multi-touch touchscreen and an IP67 rating. I believe it's the first phone I could find anywhere with a multi-touch screen. and let me rephrase that. It's the first smartphone that I could find anywhere with a multi-touch screen and an IP67 rating. I say that because I wouldn't be surprised if there was some like construction workers Palm Pilot special edition. It's not the droid is what you're saying. It's not the droid. It is not the droid. Okay, I have an idea. 2010 is the hint. So we'll think about that. We'll find out the answer at the end like usual and we'll be right back.

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44:54Marques Brownlee:It's called the Luce. And boy, oh boy, has everyone been talking about this new car. It was unveiled. We get this official design unveiling video from Ferrari. This is the international trip that I couldn't tell you guys about that I'm now finally able to disclose. That I also went to Italy, drove this car before it was unveiled. It was actually a finished prototype that I got to drive, which had a lot of, what's it called? Wrapping. Camouflage all over it. That explains why you disappeared for a few days. We were like, where the hell is Marques? I was overseas. And then I got to see the final design and walk through that with the designers.

45:33Marques Brownlee:Johnny Ive and Mark Newsom literally walked me around the car for 45 minutes and explained everything. And then they handed me a DJI Osmo and they were like, go ahead. That's my favorite part of the whole thing.

45:43David Imel:What?

45:44Marques Brownlee:So that's something not a lot of people have talked about. But the event behind this was, I mean, super, super, super weird and secretive. This is like the Apple of car companies, I guess, in that you had to sign an NDA, obviously. part of the NDA was if you are responsible for the leak you owe like hundreds of thousands of

46:02David Imel:dollars oh really oh my god yes that's so much more intense than they walk you in when you get

46:07Marques Brownlee:to this uh this super distant track like we flew into Milan and then it's like an hour and a half into some far some fields like total middle of nowhere feeling and as soon as you get there they're like take your phone out your pocket and they just start taping over all of the cameras on your phone kind of like what Samsung used to do they would tape all of them I came in there with five phones expecting to shoot an autofocus video and they're like tape tape tape tape no shooting on your phones they're like we have a camera crew we have cameras you use our cameras and then we'll send you the footage when we're ready like so funny that's crazy so all of this to me speaks it's like yellow flag territory it's a little bit insecure but it's also like they clearly don't want anything to leak because they need to control the narrative around this design because it is very different for them yeah uh so extremely secretive i feel like it feels more red flag

46:53David Imel:because we've seen it, but I'm fine with the company taking some serious precautions as to not leaking because everything just gets spoiled. This was like an actual reveal.

47:01Marques Brownlee:It was. It was really like a true surprise. And boy, was it a surprise. So the car comes out. I dropped the autofocus video, which I have all this information about the rest of the car, which almost doesn't matter because all anyone is talking about is the design, the interior and the exterior. This is a fully electric car designed by not a car designer. It's designed by Love From, which, as I mentioned, Johnny Ive, Mark Newsom, and a bunch of people that were brought from the original, like, Apple design team who worked on things like the iPhone and the original, like, Apple product that you guys are familiar with today.

47:39Marques Brownlee:And so there's a lot of very never-before-seen features in the car, never-before-seen design elements of the car, and the internet has been talking nonstop about how ugly they think it is. Now, I can give you guys my take on the design.

47:56David Imel:Can you describe the design for some people who might not have seen it first?

48:00Marques Brownlee:Okay, yes. I can describe the design. So it is a five-seater, like mid-size crossover-sized EV. And it is the size of like a Mazda MX-5 or like a Polestar 3. You've probably, you know, a BYD. Like there's a bunch of crossovers the same size. Crossover Ferrari. But there is, the front of it has this really big front spoiler and this really smooth glass that sort of cuts under the front spoiler. And then this like shark gills type of look in the front. Yeah. The headlights are under the hood. It's kind of, it's a unique front. The back has these big circular taillights, which is maybe the only reference to Ferrari DNA, but then also looks like it's like being swallowed by a larger like rest of the car.

48:47Marques Brownlee:Yeah. Big glass canopy. You've seen the interior probably by now, but yeah, it's a, is a very like blob EV design that we've seen many times and we'll get into my take on the design before, but it is not like a particularly exotic or pretty looking car. Yeah. So the internet sees that. they see the$640 ,000 starting price tag and proceed to absolutely burn this car for the next four days on the internet. What do you guys think? What do you think of the Ferrari Luce? I think the blue makes me want to jump off a building. The blue? The red is by far the best color.

49:31David Imel:Hold on, you just did what I did where I was like, wait, this angle looks pretty good and then you click in and it says this render just shows how easy it could have been to make this look good and it's not the real render. Never mind, it all looks bad. Yeah. No. I mean, I can jump kind of into my final thought because this car made by a cheaper company at$60 ,000 I think would look great. But this car with the Ferrari DNA and this super secretive launch and the teasers of Leclerc and Hamilton looking at it and going like, ooh, ah, and making it seem like it's going to be this incredible Ferrari is rough.

50:09David Imel:My other take is Johnny Ive just made a bunch of interior things because that's what he's good at and then just said ChatGPT grab the exterior for me. I think people were having ChatGPT make the exterior and it looked better than this. This is what happens when you have a phone design that some designer worked for like five years on and it's beautiful and it's like curved and perfect and you put an OtterBox case on it. That's what it looks like so I'm putting an Otterbox case on a Ferrari I've been comparing it to like the Mach-E whereas Mach-E I think the Mach-E is a good car yeah and I don't dislike the design but I think when you call it the Mustang for whatever reason they decide to everyone comes at it expecting a Mustang so this is that times 10 when the Ferrari people are are spending seven times more than a mustang like yeah this is just that exemplified and that's why it's so much louder that everyone hates this i think like like if this was an 80 000 a 60 to 80 000 car with like decent range and everything people would be like this is kind of unique and cool it's unbelievably do you think that it's ugly on purpose because then when rich people have it because that that's that's the way fashion is sometimes yeah i think you think there's anything to that all right here's how

51:26Marques Brownlee:here's what I really think, right? There are no, there are honestly really no good two-door electric cars, like sports cars. Like as a sports car, there's a lot of sports cars out there. The whole idea of a sports car is to be engaged with it, obviously being lightweight and feeling like you're in control of the thing the whole time. Then you try to make an electric one and your first task is to put the battery somewhere. And in a tiny two-door car, there is simply not enough room to put a good enough size battery to make it like a reasonable car. And even if you did, They always have to put it at the bottom because it's so heavy.

51:57Marques Brownlee:And that room between the axles is precious. You put a battery there, then you move the driver up. Everything moves up. It just becomes way too cramped. There's not enough room to make a good battery with today's tech in a tiny two-door car. So they have to go bigger. So, because, you know, Porsche Taycan's four doors. That's what I'm looking at right now. Every electric sports car you're thinking of is four doors. It's a bigger car. For sure. The Taycan, the Vysakpak, literally has no back seats. It's a four-door car. you open the back doors, there's no seats. They just needed room to put all of that stuff.

52:28Marques Brownlee:They should have done that for this, though. So, they have to go bigger. So, what do they do? They decide, all right, Ferrari, we already make a Porosangue. We're going to make something the same size, roughly, this mid-size crossover thing. And we're going to put the battery in the bottom and design around that. Your choice is now, do you want to make this an aggressive, exotic-looking car the way other Ferraris have been? Yes. But not quite as much? Correct. Or do you want to fully embrace the fact that this is already so different from every other Ferrari? It's electric. It's silent. It is something super, super new.

53:04Marques Brownlee:Do you want to continue to embrace the brand new and do something brand new with the design? No. And that was the choice that they made. Now, I think we all know that if Ferrari had made this look like every other older Ferrari, it would have gone way better than this. We all know that those cars look great. We all know that. that and everyone at Ferrari knows that everyone at Ferrari knows that everyone loves those older designs it would have been much lower risk to do one of those older designs even the Pro Sangue you know not everybody not everybody from Ferrari loves that but it's you know it's at least kind of still sort of a Ferrari looking car yeah what they end up doing instead is they work with Love From and Johnny Ives team who everyone kind of knows came from Apple and did some legendary products there and we've ended up with this this sort of more aero focused thing which has almost no reference to any other older Ferrari which I think is intentional I think they're going this is new make it look like an exotic electric car not an exotic gas car and I you know the more I look at this car I'm not gonna say it looks good it looks really different and a lot of angles look really bad, but a lot of angles also look, it's not the worst looking car I've ever seen.

54:17David Imel:I don't hate it.

54:17Marques Brownlee:It's not a terrible looking car. And so what I keep coming back to is almost everything wrong about this car comes from the fact that one, it is a Ferrari, and two, it is$600 ,000.

54:29David Imel:Yes, exactly. If this

54:31Marques Brownlee:was, hear me out, a$180 ,000 Lucid, we would all be totally fine with it. I don't know if that's true. Because Lucids are not pretty. Like a lot of these other EVs. What? I like the Lucids. What are you talking about? All right, Polestar. All right, a BYD. Like, think of any random other blob. Their Mercedes EQS, there are some ugly whale-looking EVs out there. I agree with that. And nobody says anything about those. And so if this is one of those, it's fine.

54:55David Imel:I think the Mach-E is a fair comparison to this, right? So the Mach-E, I think, is interesting because - Simplified Mach-E.

55:00Marques Brownlee:Exactly the Ferrari part is what you're talking about. Yeah. Which is like, when you have a Ferrari badge on something, there is the expectation of it to be a Ferrari. And it's stronger than ever with that brand. because there's a long history of all the racing and the motorsport and all of the Ferrari designs that people love, the posters on the wall from the 90s to 2000s. And so everyone is expecting, oh, okay, it's Ferrari. They're gonna do something really, really great that maybe we've never seen before. And then it's this blob and we're like, oh, that's not what I thought. And then the$600 ,000 is the same thing.

55:30Marques Brownlee:Oh, it's gonna be a half a million dollar car. Oh, therefore it must be at like some highest level, amazing, best possible design. So when this doesn't meet that, it falls way, way, way, way, way short. Like I said, if this was$150 ,000 not Ferrari, this doesn't fall nearly as short on design or specs or anything else. And all we're talking about is how, oh, there's another kind of a blob looking EV out there. Looks like a shark.

55:54David Imel:Yeah, looks like a fish. Can I argue back on your, if it needs a battery, it has to be aero, it has to look like this, blah, blah, blah? Oh, yes. I just don't think it does. I just don't think anyone's buying a Ferrari to be practical. And I think it's totally fine if this was like a sick Ferrari that had 100 miles of range that could get you from your house to the restaurant and you want to see everyone, you want everyone to see you show up at or like do with a couple track shots.

56:20Marques Brownlee:So I actually agree. And I think, I think Ferrari probably also went down this route too where they're like, what if we don't go fully, fully, fully different? What if we go halfway there? It's already electric. That's crazy enough. Let's play it safe with everything else. Okay. It's really aggressive in aero. And so the range is going to be garbage but like who cares it's a Ferrari like you're not driving this every day why since when did anyone care about the efficiency of a sports car like that's totally a reasonable way to think about this and I think they ended up going away from that probably because they just chose they were like trying to pick one of their battles they're like do we do we make this car that every Ferrari person is going to hate because it's an electric version that sort of bastardizes the Ferrari design or do we just do something totally different so that the electric stuff is grouped in with this new design and it's just so different.

57:09Marques Brownlee:It doesn't even resemble a Ferrari in the slightest. It's a totally new thing. And they're also thinking about buyers and Ferrari people who are buying all the other gas Ferraris and who care about the V12 and the V10 and those other powertrains are for the first time completely not in the target demographic of a new Ferrari. This is supposed to be for a new, potentially younger, potentially more international buyer who wasn't going to buy any of those other Ferraris. Who buys ugly stuff because that's the point. I don't want to cut L's off. Who buys maybe more electric, is more interested in technology, and maybe sees Johnny Ive designed it and goes, oh yeah, this speaks to me more than whatever Italian name you were going to put in front of me before.

57:53Marques Brownlee:That is the slightly newer buyer. So I think Ferrari's thinking about all of this new, new, new, and is just leaning fully on new, new, new, different, nothing old at all. that's that's how he ended up here. Marquez, I have an idea seed to plant your brain. Please. Because I and me saying this out loud will guarantee I will never be invited to a single Ferrari thing for the rest. I think I'm already banned, too. I don't think this is entirely new because when I see the design of the car, it makes me think of a bunch of the late 60s and entire all through the 70s Lambos. Like if you're familiar with like the Lambo Mura and Lambo.

58:31Those are so angular, though. No, no, look up the Lamborghini Harama is what it's called, the J.

58:37David Imel:Harambe? Yeah, or like the Lamborghini Uraco or like the 70s really smooth ones before you get to the angular Countach. To me, if you combine like the Miura, the Harama, and the Uraco and then take like a Dodge Daytona EV and throw that in there, it like becomes the Loo-J.

58:58Marques Brownlee:I see what you're saying. I just, I, this is so much more of like, I described it in my short as like if a BYD ate a Ferrari. And, and at first you laugh because like, why would anyone spend$600 ,000 on a BYD? But they make the best electric cars in the world right now. They sell a lot of cars. And if you're going to, you're going to compete in like, who's going to make the best electric car. Okay. This is, I drove it. I can't talk about me driving it yet, but I, I think it's pretty clear they're targeting this being one of the best driving electric cars it's not the best straight line speed because it's not the lightest you have plaid you have lucid air sapphire but i mean they took me to a track to drive it so that should say something about how they aim for you know positioning of this this car it's still a driving experience it's still a ferrari drive so it is like the sportiest most

59:49David Imel:luxurious version of the byd can i you might not know the answer to this question and i might be kind of wrong but in general to buy a ferrari you have to have owned ferraris already right no so

1:00:02Marques Brownlee:that's that is definitely a common thing that people talk about online it's to buy certain

1:00:06David Imel:more premium ferraris yes because when the whole argument is like no one who owns ferraris is going to want this if they're the only ones who can buy it it feels like it feels like to me though as Someone who's like... If you like all the things that Ferrari makes right now, you probably don't like this. But also, like, if you're the kind of person who's really looking forward to buy a Ferrari because you want to have, like, the Ferrari clout that's involved with it, this also is not that. So I'm very confused at who is the person that's buying this. It's not cheap.

1:00:39Marques Brownlee:It's not cheap.

1:00:40David Imel:$500 ,000. I think it makes so much more sense to just buy a really sick, nice sports car like a Ferrari or a Lamborghini and then also buy like a Lucid. Yeah. Or a three bedroom house.

1:00:55Marques Brownlee:I do think they somewhere along the line ended up at this being the most daliable, most practical, most comfortable Ferrari. And no one was asking for that. Yeah, no one. But that is technically what this is. So there it is. I wish I had a jet ski that could fit six people. Yeah, that's how it feels. It's a little crazy. But you know what's funny? I talked about this again in the short. Let's say this happens with Porsche, right? Everyone who loves motorsport and loves Porsches loves the GT4s and the GT3s and the 911s, right? We all care about the sports cars. But as Porsche was approaching literal bankruptcy, they're like, well, we got to try the other thing.

1:01:35Marques Brownlee:And now there's the Macan and the Cayenne and these like crossovers that do way more volume in the sports cars. And that, for a long time, has been making enough money for them to develop the sports cars too. And Porsche people kind of just went, I guess that's necessary. I'm not going to buy one, but I get why people do buy that. The soccer mom, the suburban housewife has to get one of these. All right, great. That makes us more money. Now we can keep doing the sports car thing. Same thing with Lamborghini. on any of those things. The same thing with Lamborghini. No, I'm saying the form factor.

1:02:11Marques Brownlee:I do think the price kind of fails this analogy. But the Lamborghini is the same thing. Like the Urus came out and it is$250 ,000, but it is the one with four or five seats or whatever. And you could sell that and still develop the more hardcore, less practical Lamborghinis. This could fit that analogy if it was also cheaper and was more attainable. I kind of wonder like how many do they expect to actually sell the pro sangue to doesn't sell that well this is more expensive than that yeah so if if this was cheaper I could see it fitting into that analogy of like hey it's a practical one like you might see this in your neighborhood anything crazy about the technology a lot of the the Ferrari engineering is in the under the hood design every single wheel has independent steering independent suspension adjustment and independent torque vectoring and power.

1:03:02Marques Brownlee:So there's three motors per wheel, which is crazy. It's 1 ,000 horsepower. It does like this crazy active suspension. It does a whole lot of, I mean, you're driving it. It's actively keeping it flat, the torque vectoring. A lot of stuff. You got to drive it. Yeah, and you'll see a lot of, I mean, I'll talk about it in the video. I can't evaluate it. I'm trying to describe it. I'm trying to be, you know, culture with the embargo. This isn't like three times. But yes, it does drive, yeah, like a Ferrari. It's supposed to. Okay. So, yeah.

1:03:29David Imel:there's a thing too with like high-end watches it's very similar where like a watch will come out that's 300 grand and it's like okay who the hell is gonna buy that but as a watch person that doesn't play in that tax bracket it is good to know that these things still exist like it as a person who's enthusiastic about the the mechanics and the stuff like that yeah and that's the vibe i'm getting with this there's a lot in the car that i'm just glad that it exists in an electric

1:03:56Marques Brownlee:car and I want to see it trickle down to something else. I wonder for my analogy with like watches and I just kind of used Rolex as my example because I don't know anything about watches but like if Rolex made an Apple Watch competitor.

1:04:07David Imel:A smart watch. Yeah.

1:04:08Marques Brownlee:How would that land with Rolex people? It was square. That's such a great example. Like if they made just a watch with a battery and a screen and they had some cool technology in it that maybe was different that you don't see in an Apple Watch but it was also$200 ,000 It doesn't match. And it would look like a fish compared to every other Rolex. Yeah. Even if it's not the ugliest smartwatch of all time. It's ugly for a Rolex. Right. That feels like the same thing.

1:04:36David Imel:It looked like a CMF watch.

1:04:37Marques Brownlee:Exactly. That's what this Ferrari Luce feels like in the world of Ferraris. But if you take that badge off, and there's another -

1:04:45David Imel:No, I fully agree with you on that.

1:04:46Marques Brownlee:There's another conspiracy, but maybe not even conspiracy, is - D-badge it? Think about Apple for a second. Think about Apple for a second. Think about it. when they came out with the Vision Pro, what did they say? That took them a decade to make, to like do all the engineering and the behind the scenes and the design and everything from the ground up for this VR headset,$3 ,500, a decade of secretive work, right? Everyone kind of knows Open Secret at this point that Apple was developing a car for a long time and then eventually canned it and then Love From comes along and partners with Ferrari sometime around 2020, 2019, 2020 and makes this car from the ground up in six or seven years.

1:05:30Marques Brownlee:I don't know if that's a normal timeline for developing a super expensive and like complex electric car, but it would seem to me that at least some of the DNA from a previous car project from Johnny Ivan team probably had to be a lot of the foundation for this car. I can see that. And so if you take that Ferrari badge off and put an Apple logo on the front, it doesn't seem that crazy. It still looks like a fish. It still looks like a fish. It still looks like a BYD-aided Ferrari with those lights on the back. But it does feel a little, because now there's no heritage. There's no Ferrari expectations.

1:06:08Marques Brownlee:It's just like, oh, Apple made a car. What does it look like? Oh, it's kind of weird. It looks kind of like a Magic Mouse. But yeah, it's kind of weird, I guess, but whatever. that's probably a little bit more in line with the reaction that we would have seen yeah so i think there's a little project titan in this car i will say that former ferrari chairman montezemolo said i cannot say what i really think i would harm ferrari we risk the destruction of a legend so sorry take the prancing horse off at least the chinese won't copy this car i feel like he said what he thought it was like the harshest there was just a couple slurs in there is something in terms of what hand gestures not very many people are happy and um people are making very funny memes because in the introduction video they had of it they had like these people who were really really well dressed were sort of walking around looking at it and people are stuff yeah people were taking screenshots of them being like like kind of looking terrified just being like what is this i want the unfiltered thoughts of charles leclerc and lewis hamill Dude, okay, I can finally say this now.

1:07:11Marques Brownlee:Like, when I went to shoot the F1 stuff in Miami the week after I was in Italy, just hanging around a lot of Ferrari people, and all of them who'd found out that I'd driven the Luce were like, so, what do you think? Like, sort of nervously, like, they all know that it's a little bit crazy, and they're like, so, what do you think? And I remember I kind of said a lot of the same stuff with them. I was like, yeah, the interior is nice, but it looks really different. And they were like, yeah, it does look very different. Like they would all agree. So they all know, like internally, they all know. I can neither confirm nor deny.

1:07:49Marques Brownlee:Yeah, I'm just so curious about like the structure of like how they, how do they decide to work with Love From and have what feels like zero input on the entire car design.

1:07:59David Imel:Minus the like rear taillights.

1:08:01Marques Brownlee:The taillights feel like something that Love From took and put there so that it's a Ferrari technically but like otherwise it's an apple. There is no other reference to any other Ferrari DNA other than the badge anywhere on this car. Yeah. Nothing. You could have made this look like a MacBook Air and it would more look like a Ferrari than this. Yeah. Because a MacBook Air at least has the wedge shape of the traditional Ferraris. There are some really interesting quirks on the external design. The windshield wipers are on the outside of the windshield because there's no cowl to like protect them and there's like this smooth glass canopy down to the front nose of the car.

1:08:36Marques Brownlee:So kind of like a Cybertruck, but like one on each side. Kind of insane, but odd. The headlights are also all smooth. So like that glass continues down to the front and over the headlights. So they don't protrude at all. They're just like smooth with the body of the car. When you crack it, it's going to cost$200 ,000. Well, it's not one piece. It's just like smooth headlight glass and then continues smooth with the rest. Okay. So that's kind of interesting. The wheels. so they have this this turbine looking wheel that I shot in my video and that you see everywhere else I think it looks horrible but it is what you see on a lot of other electric cars is like dinner plate sized wheels so bad with because that's more aero efficient this is the aero thing again like they look bad but how many times have I talked about it why do they need to be aerodynamic because yeah just different just different they don't have to I don't think they have to it's a Ferrari I don't give two hoots about like what type of range I'm not going to drive it every day.

1:09:35If I didn't care about being air efficient, I would just want an 80s hatchback to be my EV. That's all I want.

1:09:41Marques Brownlee:Yeah. They have stuff like questions for you.

1:09:44David Imel:I still want that. Are we going to get one so you can drive around? One. Are we going to get a roof? Of the two that exist? Of the two that exist? Not after this episode.

1:09:55Marques Brownlee:I would say that Ferrari probably doesn't love what anyone is saying about this car, but I just don't. I feel like they're going to keep it. Why did they choose the colors they chose? Look, if you look on their configurator. Light blue and yellow. If you look on their configurator, change the paint colors. It can kind of look a little less ridiculous. I think that baby blue is pretty terrible. It's horrible. The blue, actually, the wheels are the most offensive part of the car to me. But if you get to that five-spoke wheel design and like a darker color, it looks a little less offensive. On matte black?

1:10:28Marques Brownlee:What? No way. This isn't black. This is blue. You're looking at my screen. This is blue. This website for the configurator is really broken and bad. Yeah, the configurator is also... I can't believe they even let you configure this on the internet. I feel like you'd have to go somewhere and do it. No, they also want to buy it. These all look like something from like a 2008 PlayStation 2 video game. Yeah, but this is how car configurators look. Oh my God, it looks so bad. I think it's a pretty cool car. There it is. I do. I think it's cool in the front and I think it's cool in the back and I think it's cool in the inside and I don't mind the wheels.

1:11:03Marques Brownlee:The interior is... The side is so dope. I feel like we haven't even talked about the interior. The interior is nice. But the interior is actually, and I want to make sure I'm not saying this wrong, it is the best interior of any electric car I've ever driven. Yeah. It looks nice. Yeah.

1:11:19David Imel:There was a point in Clio's video, which was really good, where she... And I noticed it on your video too, even though you didn't mention it, I don't think. But the bar on the tablet on the inside it's not just like a handle to wiggle the screen around or whatever you'd like naturally place your hand there almost like a palm rest when you're interacting with the screen and I had never thought about that in any of these screens in any car

1:11:43Marques Brownlee:that little touch is so nice it is in a couple cars that I've driven it is perfect on this screen because it moves but in my car in the 911 it's the same thing like every time I touch the screen I always rest my hand in the same exact spot and then touch the screen so I don't have to like think too hard and this is probably because it moves they decided to put the handle on it

1:12:00David Imel:very clever my issue with that screen that can rotate it's like a ball head right like it can go it's fully manual yeah it will never be level the first time you move it you move it once and it will never be level again for the rest of it's gotta just pull it towards yourself and just just i think i would have to carry a level in the car with me it's never gonna be like fix it again it would drive me the key so cool it's so cool so cool it's so unnecessary it's so cool that's the

1:12:27Marques Brownlee:cool fun little things that i'm here for for anyone who hasn't seen the key the key is this little uh rectangle this magnetic light up rectangle with the ferrari prancing horse on it giant it's yellow it's glowing yellow and then you put it in this designated spot in the center console it magnetizes to align with that center spot and then you slowly push it into the center console until it's flush you have to do this every time what i mean this is like getting in They decided, like, instead of getting in a car, turning a key, and then the engine comes to life, you need, like, a come-to-life moment for this car.

1:13:01Marques Brownlee:So you push it into the center console. That yellow light then transfers to the drive select. Oh, that's really cool. And then you move that to drive, and then you're going.

1:13:09David Imel:That's insane. It's like Indiana Jones, like, finding an artifact and putting it in a wall. Yeah. That's the kind of stuff that I mean. I can't wait for these little touches to trickle down into all of our cars. True. Yeah, a super would break the shit out of it. i want to see that in the next rav4 baby yeah so there's some there's some great interior details with this car and uh i love that key because the logo is so big that you're like you're out with your friends and the keys on the table like damn you have a ferrari oh that's it come check it out and then they see they're like never mind i'm good dude all the ferrari keys are those the same rectangle just like really they're just huge with the logo on it and they always have

1:13:45Marques Brownlee:like a little rectangle in the center console to put the key in but this one is like you know the magnet and the light and all that. That's pretty sweet. Yeah. We're going to see one on the street someday and we're all going to go, oh boy. I was thinking that. The first time I see this on the street, I'm 100 % stopping. Like, it is one of those. Do you think you're going to see it on the street? I don't think I'm ever going to see this on the street. You'll see it at Meatpacking. Not as much as yeah, you'll see it like once in a while. Like, you'll see a random Lamborghini sometimes. That's a neighborhood in New York.

1:14:10I feel like if you don't know Manhattan and you just try to see it like, no, we'll see it at Meatpacking. That doesn't make any sense at all. There's Meatpacking districts in other cities too. Name one. Copenhagen. his meatpacking. Got him.

1:14:20Marques Brownlee:Alright, last question for you guys. Last question on this design, and try to think like far out future. But how do we think this will age? Because a lot of cars have an initial reception, that's one thing, and then six months later, a year later, five years later, it's something different. I don't know about six months, but I think in

1:14:43David Imel:20 years, it'll be nice. I think part of the reason why people don't like this car now currently is because it looks very much like all the other evs that are coming out now blobs blobs and i think ferrari when i picture a ferrari it's the designs of the 80s and the 90s like it is these pinferino yeah like it is a beautiful angular beast aggressive and this is not that right so i think right now we're looking back on everything with such like it's your to your point marquez like about the reminiscing on the past is like destroying everything. I think in 30 years when we're reminiscing about this era of cars and designs and stuff like that, then maybe I'll look back on this fondly.

1:15:23David Imel:But right now it looks like a whale. I disagree and do you want to know why? Do you remember the glossy computer monitors with giant bezels from the 2010s? Yes. The Apple Cinema displays. Those did not age well. Correct. And this car reminds me of those monitors. Really? Disagree. I think those aged fine wine. I did. Are you serious? They look nice in a room. Sure, they might not be like an optimal computer. They look nice in a room. They look nice in a room. This looks nice in a room. If you put a monitor display in that thing, absolutely. That's sick. It looks nice in a room. I will say something that - No, wait, wait, wait.

1:16:01That's not an Apple Cinema display. No, I didn't say Apple Cinema display. I just said the glossy black computer monitor. No, no, no. That's different. The Apple Cinema display has aged like fine wine.

1:16:12Marques Brownlee:Yeah, it doesn't remind me of an Apple Cinema display. So you know what's funny that ages like fine wine, a lot of people say this about Bugatti. They've made cars for a long time, and something they specifically do is avoid putting large displays in the cars. And philosophically, it's because that's not going to look new anymore in five years or 10 years or 50 years when these people still have these cars.

1:16:33David Imel:Like putting an iPad in your house.

1:16:34Marques Brownlee:Yeah. Build it into the wall. Yeah. And so now, once you see that, you can't unsee the difference between a lot of these cars keeping it very analog or just going, you know what? here's a 75 inch screen like this is just an escalade screen in your car yeah this luce is curiously kind of right in the middle like it blends the displays that's hard it's really hard to get on video but it blends the displays and the physical materials that was really well and i wonder how that's going to the interior looks amazing yeah i think that'll age fine did you see the tweet that just said everyone thought the cybertruck looked ugly when it was

1:17:10David Imel:released and all their pleasure like it's everyone's still the exact same thing well you know

1:17:14Marques Brownlee:it's funny feels like what you're asking when the side the cybertruck is interesting because when the cybertruck first came out there was a brief like pop star moment where people were like it the first reaction wasn't ew a cybertruck the first reaction was like holy cow what is that spaceship thing yeah yeah and then it was ugly yeah and so this this could have a this could

1:17:32David Imel:hey it could be the opposite but this is a little weirder because i think it does look a little too much like a leaf or a prius in a sense yeah so like for sure and it being a ferrari is yeah it was cool when the prius looked like a lamborghini it's not cool when the ferrari looks like a prius

1:17:48Marques Brownlee:that's exactly yes that's a perfect perfect explanation of why this will probably age poorly that was perfect can i compare it to one more vehicle that has quote-unquote existed in the past are you guys familiar with the 2013 matt damon film elysium of course yeah fair enough There's the villain in that movie. A big part of that movie is going back and forth between Earth and this sort of floating paradise in space. And the villain's spaceship is an officially branded Bugatti spaceship. And other than having the Bugatti logo, it has almost nothing to do with Bugatti. And I feel like this is an apt metaphor.

1:18:31Marques Brownlee:That's interesting. You know what that reminds me of? That spaceship from Lilo and Stitch. Yeah, it does.

1:18:37David Imel:Yep. Very bubbly. Okay, question for you. Yeah. Did everyone want this to look like the Hyundai N-Vision 74?

1:18:45Marques Brownlee:I have a take about that. And this comes to, remember we put in the slack? Yeah. You were like, if they just. We were going to have an argument. Well, you put basically if they had just taken this old design. Yeah. But just made it electric. 1980s hatchbacks or 1980s like square cars. And what did you say? I would buy it? Everyone would buy it? I would buy it. I said all I want is this. I think my take on just make the old design electric is the same as the small phones. Everyone online agrees that they all like it. Universally positive. The 13 mini, the 12 mini, the Zen phone, all these phones.

1:19:26Marques Brownlee:Everyone who reviews them loves them. Hatchbacks are still functional though. Everybody, well, I'm just saying like the small phones got universally positive praise online from reviews, from users, from everything. Yeah. Yet still they all went extinct because not enough people actually bought them. Okay. But in the United States is the only place where we don't still make hatchbacks and like those kind of cars. Because those are very popular in Europe. Ellis has brought in his iPhone 12 mini. He ran out the room to go grab it. Damn, what a small phone. Universally beloved, right? But it doesn't exist anymore.

1:20:01Marques Brownlee:It had two generations, and then not enough people bought it, and Apple moved on to literally the opposite, the plus. But, like, hatchbacks and those kind of cars are still very popular in Europe, you know? And so they just need to electrify those. They just haven't electrified them yet. Well, I guess my take is not enough people would buy it in America. You think if they made, like, a small hatchback?

1:20:22David Imel:Yeah, I think, like, those are, like, the smaller hatchbacks, which now if we're going back to a cheaper car, then we do care about ranging.

1:20:29Marques Brownlee:Because the Taycan Cross Turismo exists. It's just not the old design. So it's like a 1980s Mercedes, which I know they can't make because of safety regulations and stuff like that.

1:20:38David Imel:I think you're talking more station wagon. Station wagon. Sorry. Station wagon.

1:20:43Marques Brownlee:Old station wagon. Yes. But electric. Yes. 100%. This does exist in Europe.

1:20:48David Imel:That's right. Yeah. There's the Audi Avant. I forget the AE6 maybe. And then there's the Volkswagen, the Touring ID. And then there's a number. But they still don't look like the old. They're new designs. Yeah, they still are more rounded and stuff. I just want that 1980s style.

1:21:05Marques Brownlee:But it's such a common, what you're saying is a very common thread. Like when the new Volkswagen bus came out and it was like a revamped new design, everyone was like, but just make the old bus electric. But they didn't do it. Right. And I think it's because they know that everyone saying that just says that, but then isn't going to.

1:21:22David Imel:That argument just falls flat because no one bought the new version either. in Europe they wouldn't have bought the old version in Europe I saw a billion of them when I was in Europe last week but also the original bus had like one centimeter of metal between you and death

1:21:36Marques Brownlee:so I don't know if that's you know if they could really do the same thing but like sentimentally everyone loves the old designs they all have a fond place in our hearts so everyone's like bring that back make it electric and I'd buy an electric car and then I don't know they just say that and then they don't they wouldn't if it was like okay if it wasn't like a bazillion dollars you know if it was starting around the same price as like other cars that start around like you know 40 or something i feel like it would be popular but i might be wrong maybe i guess we'll never know i guess we'll never know because it'll never happen no one's making them can we just what if i ask i don't know i'll ask gemini to simulate a world where this is happening um okay speaking of evs you saw a cyber cab in texas i did but at the steering wheel depends on how we define cyber cab because I saw if anyone's been in Austin, Texas in the last couple of weeks, you've probably seen this too.

1:22:30Marques Brownlee:You'll see a random cyber cab driving around and then you'll pull up next to it and there's just a person driving it. And I don't know, I haven't looked into it. I don't follow this as closely. I'm sure people tell us in the comments, like they're either testing it or like trying to validate some, something. It's an optimist robot. It's not a person. That explains why he waved back like that. Uh, no, it was, it was, it was just like it, it looked pretty close like it had no side view mirrors it had like it was the same type of car with the like weird wheel covers um but it was driven by a human and i assume that that happens with basically every ev before it has to get you know validated certified etc and then it's good to go uh i don't think that says anything about when this car is actually going to come out you know because there are many things about that car that uh don't appear to be ready to go it it did look pretty bad like we were behind it briefly and you could see like the wheel cover just like flopping around next to the car it was not pretty um but yeah maybe maybe soon someday maybe yeah i think my hair is safe if that's what you're asking yeah i'm not asking that uh two days ago tesla's chief designer said that the second generation roadster will be built in texas and said that alpha prototypes are currently in testing and i'm like it's been you've said a lot of things about it's 10 years.

1:23:49No, well, it's been nine years since they announced it. 2017.

1:23:52David Imel:Oh, yeah, yeah, nine years. So why are you in the alpha stage when you took pre-orders?

1:23:58Marques Brownlee:Because they haven't done anything. If you actually, it's funny. Unbelievable. If you listen to everything I've said about the Roadster for the past decade or so, it kind of implies that they haven't done anything since then. And there was an old, because I remember when I was still a believer in the Roadster, there was an old Franz van Holhausen interview, I think on the Ride the Lightning podcast, where he went on, it was probably five, six years after it was announced, and he was like, everything about the Roadster is gonna be better than what we showed you on stage. Remember that? Yeah. He was like, everything about, all the metrics, everything will be better.

1:24:27Marques Brownlee:And I thought about that, and I was like, okay. You announced a 200 kilowatt hour battery, a 600 mile range, a 1.9 second zero to 60, and an eight and a half second quarter mile. And somehow all of that is going to be better when it comes out? How, what? I don't know if I believe any of this anymore. Yeah. And so, yeah, here we are. It's 2026 and we have new bait. This is like bait for people like me. They're just like, here's a new thing to talk about. Talk about the Roadster. And it's an alpha prototype testing and they're going to build it in Texas. Sure. It also just doesn't make sense why they would build the Roadster now that they stopped making the Model S.

1:25:04Marques Brownlee:That's actually the most important thing. They literally discontinued the two lowest volume cars because they want to focus on the higher volume stuff. And this car would be even lower volume. Yeah, that's the hard part to believe. That makes no sense. I just don't, yeah, it's, I don't know. I don't think it's ever coming out.

1:25:18David Imel:Because SpaceX AI needs more money in their bottom line. SpaceX Twitter AI. SpaceX Twitter AI.

1:25:24Marques Brownlee:I mean, the Roadster has essentially become like a stock boost button. Yeah. When you need a boost, you just talk about the Roadster. Just promise the Roadster again. Just hit the button. And then it'll be another year before anything happens. And then they'll promise it again. And that's the Roadster. This time, say it flies. Yeah. I mean, they did say it flies. They said it many times. I literally said that many years ago. As much as I'm rooting for it and I'm very excited for it, I have decided to stop thinking about it. Yeah, you should just put it out of your head. Yeah. Well, speaking of things that we'll stop thinking about directly after the podcast, the answers to these trivia questions.

1:25:59I don't know about you, but I'm going to think about these for a long time.

1:26:03Marques Brownlee:These trivia questions? Yeah. Forever.

1:26:05David Imel:Do you guys want the Fitbit question or the Ferrari question? Fitbit. Fitbit. Ferrari. Oh, I outvoted, Marquez. Sorry. Can I at least hear it later? Sure, sure. I'll pull you aside and I'll tell you it later. Great, great, great. All right. So here is the Fitbit question. The first wrist-based Fitbit was called what? Ferrari question.

1:26:29Marques Brownlee:I think we just got outvoted. Let's go. The first one. Wow. First Fitbit. History. The first wrist-based Fitbit. Wrist-based Fitbit kind of implies that there was an earlier Fitbit that was like underwear-based. No, like the pedometer one that David always brings up. The one you put in your shoe. Yeah. Yeah. When I worked at Intel, everyone used that one. They were doing step goal challenges. It had a name, huh? Not doing any work. Nobody at Intel did any work. I swear to God. Do they do work now? Probably not. Dang. They're funded by the government. They're 10 % owned by the government, so. They're too busy swimming in that China lake or whatever.

1:27:04China lake? Is that the name of their flagship? Oh, it's Silver Lake. Is it really not? Oh, you mean like, oh, the, yeah, okay. Okay. Meteor Lake, that kind of stuff. I don't think they had China Lake. Kaby Lake? Is a place near where you grew up. That's where I got it mixed up. It is? Yeah. Anyway, we'll think about this.

1:27:23Marques Brownlee:Thank you so much, Marcus. We'll get to the answers at the end. We'll be right back.

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1:29:05David Imel:Welcome back. I just read this article yesterday that was really funny about Motorola phones hijacking Amazon affiliate links. Have you seen this?

1:29:13Marques Brownlee:I had not seen this headline.

1:29:14David Imel:Have you seen this? I saw the headline. I did not read into it. It seems like it was found on the Motorola subreddit and then Ben Shun did an article on it on 9to5Google. But essentially, in a recent app update, people have noticed that if you go to Amazon, the app inside your drawer, that it really quickly is flashing a web browser and then loading into the app. And apparently it is running an affiliate link before it's opening the actual app. So it's honey. Every single it is honey, but on Motorola phone. I feel like that honey investigation came out and all the companies were like, oh, great idea.

1:29:53We could have made a lot of money doing that.

1:29:56Marques Brownlee:So the Amazon app that's preloaded on Motorola phones is like bugged to always use some corporate Motorola affiliate code.

1:30:05David Imel:Yeah, it's really bizarre because it looks so hacky. First of all, if it is on your homepage, it does not do it for some reason, which I mean, I don't know a lot of people with the Amazon on their homepage. But anyways, if you go through the app drawer, they were testing it. And yeah, you would click it. And for people like us, I think we would notice it because really quickly you'd see like the browser UI, like white flash screen. And then the Amazon app would come up. So you're inside the Amazon app, the full blown app. But you know, like whenever you maybe click on a YouTube link right before it goes to the YouTube app, it like flashes like it's loading in browser.

1:30:43David Imel:It kind of looks like that, except you're pulling it from your app drawer instead. So it's really strange. I don't think a lot of people would notice it. And it wasn't happening previously. In fact, at 9to5Google, they tested it on older apps, on older software updates. It's still not doing that. But then a more recent one, it has started doing it.

1:31:04Marques Brownlee:Yeah, I'm looking at the video.

1:31:05David Imel:The funniest, yeah, if you watch the video and the link on there, it shows it. But the funny thing is, is, you know, we've seen a lot of really budget phones do some kind of shady ads or whatever to like make up for the fact that they're so cheap. Nine to five Google tested this on the$1 ,900 Razor Fold and it's still doing it. So this is just a full-blown Motorola issue. Weird. And the way it just seems so sketchy, it apparently brings you to some website that's based off of some like fashion influencer, except that website itself doesn't actually, when you go to that fashion influencer, she doesn't link it anywhere.

1:31:43David Imel:So it looks like this almost like fake like URL developed to create this this redirect that's doing it. So it seems super hacky, almost like somebody at Motorola like pushed this somehow. Well, think about that. I hoped no one would notice. Every single blog on the planet eventually moved towards affiliate being like their primary source of revenue. Right. So if you can run multiple companies just off of affiliate revenue, just off of like reviews and stuff. of course these companies are going to be like wait we could just make an entire company's worth of revenue if we just do this imagine getting the affiliate link for every single time someone purchases something on Amazon on your phone every single time I want to know what that number is based on this this is so weird sorry Amazon should be suing Motorola something like that they're not actually being an affiliate they're not actually pushing people towards that purchase

1:32:41Marques Brownlee:is that going to be their argument in is like well we preloaded the amazon app so you're welcome so now here's us taking our cut definitely paid a fee for that already yeah that's why i usually think this also doesn't

1:32:51David Imel:feel like something motorola like would want to do it's so it's like not that obvious but it's also so obvious that something is going on here that seems like something they'd want to do on the scale of a company like motorola i don't know how much this is worth it it sounds to me like this is like a weird I feel like have we confirmed they're making money off of this or is it like no one's confirmed because they don't know it's confirmed that it's like an Amazon affiliate some random intern

1:33:17Marques Brownlee:just like injected that's what I think that would be insane

1:33:20David Imel:that would be crazy not that if this is patched by the time the episode comes out because of how obvious and like stupid it is but I am dying to know what the number is that that link is connected to because that's so many because that to me makes well it doesn't make sense but the business logic from Motorola side, I would want to know how many times people are clicking that Amazon app so that I know how much to charge Amazon. So I don't know if it's like a tracker thing or if it's like they're actually injecting an affiliate code to make money. It's also, yeah, I don't know. It's a number though in that that probably would be too small for Motorola to risk the giant blowback of this, but it's a big enough number to where like maybe you'd be okay getting fired.

1:34:03They sell a lot of phones. Motorola sells a lot of phones so if you make anytime anyone makes a purchase on Amazon you make money from that that adds up very quickly it's true they sell a lot of phones outside the US especially in like South America yeah

1:34:16Marques Brownlee:yeah it's crazy interesting this is I hope we find out I hope we find out it's just a tracker to like keep track of how many clicks and it's not actually literally hijacking affiliate links but

1:34:26David Imel:if you look at like the URL it goes to and stuff it just all is so weird I almost feel like it has to be some sort of rogue Motorola employee or something doing something. I just hope it goes away immediately just like this next thing we're about to talk about. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Shut your mouth. Have you guys ever lived in 1980? No. Actually 1970. No, I have not. I might be the closest. Neither have I. But something happened in 1970 that was pretty cool and it was called the disco. So Spotify recently updated their app icon. It is a temporary app icon update to basically celebrate one of their anniversaries.

1:35:12They updated the icon to be a disco ball because Spotify is already a circle so they updated it to be a disco ball which is cool. I think it was cute and fun and pretty and the internet got very angry about it which is ridiculous because do you guys hate fun? I don't understand. Don't change my icon on my phone. Yeah, give me the option. Change the icons on my phone.

1:35:36Marques Brownlee:Give me the option. Oh, come on. But, uh, it's a pretty big change. It is a disco ball. I'm waiting for it to change back. I'm kind of tired of it. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Disco balls are like one of the most, they're one of the most universally loved. I don't know if that's on Android, is it? Disco balls? Yeah, disco balls. But disco ball icons? I don't know. I mean, that's a disco ball. Well, anyway. Spotify changed their logo to be disco ball. The primary reason that people are mad was because it was too dark of an icon, I guess. And a lot of people were making the critique that if you just brightened it or made it more vibrant, it would look a lot better.

1:36:09You know, like a disco ball? Well, disco balls are not... Yeah, I guess they're kind of bright by default. Anyway, it doesn't really matter. The point is, there was a Twitter user, Race Johnson, who made a tweet entitled it Discomorphism. And in the tweet, he took four different app icons and he turned them into disco-themed icons. So he did YouTube, Claude, Notion, and this one app that I don't know what it is. Maybe you guys know what that is. I don't think this is AI. I think he actually did this legit for real, for real on God. And it looks pretty good. It looks very fun. And he did that. And then Samir Samat, the president of the Android ecosystem, quote tweeted it and said, should we make this an icon pack?

1:36:57I responded to Samir and said please Samir do it for me he said we will weigh this heavily to me and then four days later he he tweeted your wishes are command disco icons are now available on pixel as of today are you sure you still want this David and race Johnson my god I'm glad he asked for clarification because he's like this is a terrible idea are you sure you still want this here's a screenshot do you feel bad and we want this i still want this so now if you have a pixel phone you there i don't know if it's technically an ipod icon pack or if it's like a theme someone was saying that it's like not the same as like a traditional icon pack but all the google icons and like various different uh app icons now have disco themed icons which looks very cool very fun i will say a lot of these are a little rough around the edges and kind of seem

1:37:51David Imel:ai generated they're definitely ai generated yeah that's the beauty of android is you're allowed to

1:37:56Marques Brownlee:ruin your phone yeah exactly you can just ruin your home screen however you want and we've had that conversation before like when apple introduced like in ios 18 when they made it so it was like insanely ugly because everything was like the same color and gross and weird like you have the option to ruin your phone but this definitely feels ai generated because if you look at the individual disco tiles some of them sort of like morph into each other and kind of like it's like kind of sloppy um gemini regardless we got disco morphism so that this has now been coined uh it's a race johnson coinage and i was just happy to be part of it even though i did nothing do you want this on your legacy though yeah you do yeah i think this would be a great part of my legacy i didn't really do anything, to be clear.

1:38:40It's all Ray Johnson. Seems like you're part of this. I mean, I'm part of it. Sure. And Samir did it for me in particular. This could be the

1:38:48Marques Brownlee:luce of your design portfolio. That's fine with me. I would rather be known as the guy who made the disco icons happen on Android versus the guy that designed the luce.

1:38:57David Imel:No, no, no, no, David. Yes, yes, yes, Ellis. Yes. Absolutely.

1:39:02Marques Brownlee:Am I wrong? That's fine, actually. Do you disagree? No, that's a good take, actually. Thank you. I just don't think these icons look good at all. you don't think they look good do you how do i do i was trying to put them on no just making sure i don't think they look good but i still but you should be allowed to do it yeah yeah especially on android that's cool yeah you should you know we live in america okay yeah all right um that's that we got the discomorphism next week is gonna be a big week because it's the last week before dub dub so we'll probably have some predictions stuff like that we're gonna to be a big apple week next week but until then we got a bunch of trivia questions not about deb dub so roll that trivia sound my friends i might need a marker wait wait wait wait adam what happened what was the results of last week's poll you don't want to know i don't know how to quantify all of this i have an idea ask gemini based on the comments what it thinks we should do you think i

1:40:00David Imel:and try that?

1:40:01Marques Brownlee:Okay, what did it say? The studio assistant should have like a... Studio assistant? Okay, wait, let me try it right now live. All right, try it live. Just be like, based on the comments of this video, how should we adjust the scoreboard? So for those who were not listening last week or didn't finish the full episode or have not heard last week's episode, there were two questions last week. One of them had to do with Sony Xperia phones. I put Sony, Andrew put Xperia. There was a debate... I did not bring

1:40:24David Imel:this argument back up. There was a debate whether or not I should get the point or if Andrew should get the point or if she both get the point. And then Marquez misheard, well, he didn't mishear. Adam said the word wrong. And then I fully got that right. But it didn't seem that wrong.

1:40:40Marques Brownlee:Yeah. Yeah, but he got it wrong. And so people, yeah. I answered his question right.

1:40:45David Imel:Well, yeah, so that was,

1:40:47Marques Brownlee:that's fair.

1:40:48David Imel:Which one of these is not an app and then he said it incorrectly. Therefore, the thing he said out loud was not an app. Correctly identified. Adam basically told the audience. sorry Google Gemini I was like you need to fix the chapters no way no guys we do this every week we fix we add chapters every week that's so funny can you tell Gemini to tell YouTube to fix the chapters dude I've told YouTube to fix the chapters Gemini is just trained on the most common things that people say so I guess that makes sense that was really funny alright well while Adam determines this I'm gonna do the trivia is that a good idea Adam do I have your blessing Go for it.

1:41:28All right. Blessing received. Blessed. Question number one, y 'all. Like the Pope with the Ferrari. Question number one. In the late, in the early 2010, so early it was literally 2010, Motorola released a phone that had an IP67 rating. All over the internet, people were leaving this phone in glasses of water and going, wow, still works. Wow, really? What phone is it? Sorry. What phone is it? It didn't reverb near as much as I thought it would. What phone is it? There you go.

1:42:06Marques Brownlee:This is so wrong. I don't think I even have a guess. I'm just reminiscing on old Motorola phones. Yeah, me too. I'm not.

1:42:15David Imel:I just wrote... You just wrote Moto? Well, I didn't make it that far.

1:42:21Marques Brownlee:We both... I wrote Motorola Atrix. I wrote Motorola Atrix. I just wrote Moto.

1:42:29David Imel:It would be really funny if that was right, though. The Atrix is the one that... Wait, no, no. I just said the company. I actually didn't think about that. Sony only makes one line of phones right now. No, no, no, no, no. The Xperia. Motorola makes multiple phones. There's no G, Moto G style is. The Razor. The Razor. Guys, the correct answer was the Motorola Defy. I've never heard of that. D-E-F-Y. Actually, I haven't heard of that. I have heard that. Okay. Okay. Gemini has an answer. Okay. It's a good answer too. Okay. And it is an answer.

1:43:05Marques Brownlee:Okay.

1:43:05David Imel:But first I want to point out that last week my question was, which of the following is not a real Google project? I intended the answer to be angle. I was trying to be cute, play off of angular, which is a real thing. Multiple people in the comments also pointed out that angle is a real project. Of course it is. Whoa. So Marcus really is actually the only one correct. Yeah.

1:43:33David Imel:It's also a real project, an open source project. But either way, Gemini said, based on the audience feedback for Google I.O. colon, oops, all Gemini, the consensus is clear. Andrew deserves the point for the first trivia question. Marquez deserves a point for the second. So sorry, Dave. AI slop. AI slop. AI slop. hallucinations and plus one. At this point I have to agree with Marquez getting the point because of the fact that we probably shouldn't have gotten the point for it. My favorite comment was I think David should get the point just because. I saw one that said Andrew should get two and David should get one.

1:44:14David Imel:Or just for the hell of it. Just for the hell of it. Just for the chaos. Alright, next question. The first wrist based Fitbit was called what?

1:44:25I had something in my head.

1:44:28David Imel:Did you know? Atrix. Put it on the board. I don't remember what it is. Also, was the Motorola Atrix the first one that had the fingerprint sensor on the back? Yeah. Damn, that was a good phone. And there was a 4G. It had the dock too. Wait, hold on, hold on. Yeah, the dock. I wanted to make that sound. Oh, my God. I had that phone so bad. Sure. I had something in my head earlier, but I completely forgot. All right, well, what do you got? Flip it and read. Oh, that's a good one.

1:44:58Marques Brownlee:I just guessed Fitbit 1. Too logical.

1:45:03David Imel:Sorry. I just wrote Fitbit, which is actually the typo we made in the main job. It's one of those letters that four people watched that video and none of us caught it. I wrote ARIA, but it's like ALTA or something. It's just Fitbit, isn't it? It is the Fitbit Flex. That was the first wrist face. You don't flex your wrist. no but it's because it was like that rubber is that considered flexing actually it's like literally the only thing your wrist does pretty much is flex flex and rota

1:45:37Marques Brownlee:well we learned something that is good I'm glad that I got a point from last week that feels really good yeah feel free to let us know now that you've made it this far into the video would you think the Luce isn't as bad if it wasn't a$600 ,000 Ferrari

1:45:55David Imel:What if it was a Nissan? What if it was literally What if it was literally a Nissan? Then I would say that's a Nissan. Yeah.

1:46:05Marques Brownlee:Would we even be talking about it? Probably not. Anyway, thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Go back and watch the last bonus episode, but also stay tuned for more regularly scheduled programming. Catch you guys in the next one. Peace.

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