Flip vs Fold: Why Not Both?

33:38Well, there are more differences than just the amount of information. There were other dynamic range differences, etc. But if you just take lossless versus compressed, no difference to people. So you're saying that they are trying to take the people who believe that there's a difference and sell them the new headphone. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's great marketing. And it's great. Look, lots of expensive headphones support lossless audio and AirPods Max are fairly late to this. And it's like, OK, great. You can do it now. You require the cable. That's not a surprise. OK, now you have lossless audio.

34:12You've caught up to the other$500 headphones out there. but I don't care if somehow audio listeners haven't figured out Ellis isn't in the studio from jumping in on that one it should be there yeah Ellis would probably have thoughts we can probably play back the clip of the episode where they announced the AirPods Max with USB-C and we thought it was going to be AirPods Max 2 and we were like that's it? they just put a USB-C cable slightly new colors there are a couple other small features that is coming with this personalized spatial audio and they're in ultra low latency with the cable attached.

34:52So gaming now, they say, gamers and live streamers can benefit from ultra low latency audio, which lowers lag time and is on par with native built-in speakers on Mac, iPad, and iPhone. That one's nice. I do notice the ultra low latency stuff because I've noticed differences in latency between different types of headphones. And I think Razer did this thing with their gaming headphones not that long ago, this ultra low latency mode and it was like okay this you know how you watch a YouTube video with Bluetooth headphones on and the person's mouth is moving slightly different from the audio in your headphones that's actually noticeable and annoying so you can imagine while gaming you want that audio to line up exactly with what you're doing yes this is very useful I support ultra low latency I agree with everything you said yeah except except I'm pretty sure this article means it only works when it's plugged in yes correct only the cable so I'm not impressed I'm not impressed I'm just saying it's a useful feature.

35:45All headphones are ultra low latency when they're plugged in. Bluetooth is the only thing that causes drag. That's true. Yes, that's true. So you're just spinning the fact that it's plugged in. I feel like I have to be missing something here. I guess my only take is that there is a noticeable difference between ultra low latency and wireless. So I'm like, okay. It supports it. Great. My take that I can see the comments already are that the difference between 24-bit, 48 kilohertz lossless audio and whatever codec, whatever bit rate it was doing over Bluetooth before will be imperceptible to 99.9 % of people.

36:25And that last 0.1 % is kind of guessing. Damn. Wow. Mic drop. Well, don't you worry. There's another big announcement. I just can't afford this. If you're a gamer, you can't afford this. I'm sorry. you also now can buy a USB-C to 3.5 millimeter audio cable for the low low price of my ring makes that really bad drum solo$39 yep that gets you the DAC is in the cable I believe you can and you can plug it straight into wait there's an additional DAC I think you might need it because if you're plugging into something with a headphone jack this isn't a modern smartphone anymore this is like some MP3 player or some other thing.

37:13And you're going to plug it straight into the AirPods Max, so you're going to probably need some support from the cable. To drive them. I do also want to make the difference here. There already is a USB-C to 3.5 millimeter adapter. This is the cable to plug directly into your headphones. The adapter is probably totally passive. Was there already a male lightning to male 3.5? I bought one on Amazon a while ago for cheap, and it was not very good. I don't think Apple sold one. If they did, it probably cost a lot more. Yeah, I have not used it. I know they had a Lightning 2 female 3.5 because they originally sold that with the iPhone 10.

37:55I immediately get lost in Apple dongles. It's so hard to keep track of all the different ones. Yeah. Okay, well, big news for those people. USB-C, AirPods Max people. To the people that care, congratulations. moving on there is also a rumor going around that the iPhone 17 Pro is going to have 8k video recording yeah I have a hot take most of you who think you can see 8k video footage can't actually tell the difference I would take you up on that I definitely can watch a 4k video and then switch to 8k and be like wow this looks way better what are you watching it on I was 6k pro display XDR 6K display.

38:38Okay. If I watch a 4K video and then an 8K video, even though it's not an 8K display, I can see a difference. What about 1080p? 1080p enhanced bit rate. That I... I can't. I wish I could. I wish I could. It depends on the video. Yeah. Depends on the video because the thing is YouTube had this bug recently where, and I don't know if you saw this, if you started watching a video and you had a great Wi-Fi connection, it would still play at ultra low quality. Right. And this went on for a couple of days and I was very annoyed by this because every video I watch on my iPad, I immediately select like the highest possible like bit rate and resolution.

39:10So it was going to default to these lower resolutions and every single time I would switch it. And I started noticing more and more videos that have 1080p and 1080p high bit rate. Some of them just for and giggles, I would check it out and I would notice a tiny difference with the high bit rate, but it would depend on the video and how much movement and motion there is and how much is happening in the video. So some of those I would be able to tell, some of those I wouldn't, but I can definitely tell the difference between like 1080 and 1440 in 4K. Yeah. And then if there's an 8K video, I'm probably gonna need a big display to notice the difference, but.

39:41And how close you are to the screen. Yeah. And the thing about 8K videos is they're typically shot on sensors and cameras that look better than 4K cameras. So it's not just pure resolution difference. Like if I were to take a 8K video from the red and downsize it to 4K, it's still gonna look really, really good. And that's gonna be hard to tell the difference. But a 4K video from my RX100 versus an 8K video from my RED, it's like, okay, I can tell which one the 8K one is because it looks better in so many other ways. What about an 8K from a Galaxy S24 Ultra? That's what I was going to say. So right now, 8K videos from smartphones, the couple that support it, the way it kind of ends up going is it's only from the main sensor because that's the only one with the high enough resolution and fast enough processing and fast enough scanning of this sensor.

40:26And then it ends up looking like this super, super crisp over sharpened video from top to bottom. And so it kind of fools you into thinking, wow, this is much better because I have all this detail and like someone's hair will like wisp off in the sun and you can see like every little thing and it looks sharper and better, but it's not actually more usable in terms of like resolution or just looking like better footage. I would get more from a larger sensor and a shallower depth of field than I would from going to 8K. Yeah. So that being said, I've wanted 8K from lots of smartphone cameras. I think the iPhone is a prime camera to support 8K.

41:06I've shot lots of video on iPhones. You watch the autofocus channel. You've seen a lot of it. I would love to see what 8K from those sensors would look like. But we haven't seen it yet. So maybe this next generation we will. Would you use it? I think so. So the thing about 8K also is it's four times 4K resolution. So it's going to be a ton of storage. And you already know what it looks like to shoot 4K HDR ProRes. Log. Log. Those are big files. They're so big. You need an external hard drive. So big. I'm thinking 8K is going to require at least a terabyte iPhone or something crazy because they're not going to unlock that for 250, 60 iPhones.

41:42And it's going to probably, I don't know if it'll require external storage, but it'll be strongly suggested. My guess is they're not even going to allow you to shoot 8K ProRes. Like 8K will be an option, but ProRes is going to be limited to 4K. H.265, because H.264 is limited to 4K, right? So H.265 is 8K. Yeah. And that's the only way to support. But I just don't think that Apple even let you because they're just going to be like, this eats up way too much storage. So they're going to compress 8K. So is the compressed 8K going to look better than the ProRes 4K? It's the same thing. It's like the 8K on the smartphone looks kind of worse than just the regular 4K because it's so much sharpening, so much...

42:23What was that? So much sharpening, so much noise reduction that it just ends up looking like over-sharpened and plasticky. Yeah. But it would just be better to shoot 4K. What if they want it taking up more storage so you can buy more iCloud? Conspiracy. Yeah, I mean, they didn't allow ProRes log unless you had the 256 gig model. I think you needed more. I think you might have needed the terabyte. No, I think it was... I think it was just there wasn't the base model. I think the base model didn't allow it. Oh, right, right, right. I think it was just the base model didn't allow it. So I could see if they did that.

42:55I don't think they're going to allow 8K in ProRes log at all. Yeah, those would be crazy big files. I bet if this does come out on 17 Pro, they announce it at the event and it comes out three months later. Yeah, I could see that. I could definitely. That's actually a really good prediction. I think that's exactly what they would do. Pretty solid. Wow. Especially because the day one videos of people being like, I shot 10 minutes of 8K video and now my phone is full. Just delay those headlines by a couple weeks while people buy the phones and then turn it on. Yeah. Damn, that's a good one, Andrew.

43:30I like how the smallest note in this outline turned into one joke and possibly the longest conversation. I can see the comment section burning up already from my last two takes from AirPods Max and now 8K video on phones, but I stand by them. Other small rumor is that Mark Gurman is saying that they possibly may be producing the foldable iPhone as early as 2026, selling it as early as 2026. Next year. We also had an analyst saying that the device has entered a new production phase and mass production could be slated for the second half of next year. So it's going to beat the Roe-taxi. Everything will beat the Roe-taxi.

44:13Interesting. Okay. I've been burned before. so but mark german does think that it's a foldable style uh flip phone and not a flip style folding phone i that there's too many names for this folding thing it's confusing because when you fold and flip are next to each other it makes perfect sense but when you only say folds yeah it's like pants and shorts shorts are over shorts but i think right but that's a hotter take go on i'm not getting into that argument he also says there will be less of a crease uh which matches with an earlier report from et news less of a crease than existing than existing folds and flips and apple has decided to eliminate crease at all costs yeah so that's something et news reported like a month ago saying that like apple is willing to like not have a crease on this like that's that's an interesting tidbit i mean i i recently did the video on the oppo find n5 talking about this peak foldable where they've done so much it's super thin it has a large battery the hinge is really nice and there's almost no crease and i wonder like as apple watches all of these foldables coming out what they're thinking is like all right what we've got to do to make it like okay for us to ship a foldable and to land on the crease being the tough thing and not the aspect ratio or the bezels or the under display selfie camera or anything else the crease gotta have no crease that's an interesting yeah i guess that's apple kind of admitting or at least saying that the industry has figured out the form factors by now because that's usually what they do.

45:45They let the experimental stuff cook for like a few years and then they take, okay, what are the key problems with these things that people are testing out? Let's iron that out and then release something. Iron it out. Get the crease out. That's right. Iron the crease out. And they're basically saying, nice, they're basically saying that a foldable hot dog style foldable is the style that is correct. I don't know if I agree with that I think that you know the new Huawei one is kind of hot but I always pictured Apple doing flip style I just thought it made more sense that's a literal iPhone that like folds in half and that's the one that I see all over the place and iPhone people are like yeah my question becomes though do we see them all over the place because they're still half the price of folds 100 % I think so yeah but that's also like there are also folds out there but none of my iPhone people in my life care about them.

46:41It's like a joke. Like, why would you want that? But they see the flips and they're like, oh, that is cool. And is that independent of price, you think? Well, they don't know the pricing when they're just looking at it. Right, yeah. Because I think when I imagine which one to tackle first is the best idea, I think there are more flips in the world, but I think that's also because of the price. So I don't know if that's a good indicator for which one's a better idea. But also for Apple positioning, you know they want to go premium and I think with the flips, it's just, oh, the iPhone, but it folds in half.

47:12Well, what does that offer me? I guess it's cool that it folds in half and it's smaller, but they can tell a way more dramatic premium story with this tablet in your pocket thing. And I think if this is gonna be a 2000 plus dollar phone, like they would like to have some big, you know, heavy hitting thing to start the category. The other interesting thing becomes iOS and iPadOS are different and work differently. and so does apple merge them and just make them because like android basically took android and then they had a foldable version of android and they eventually just merged them into one version where all android phones can now just dynamically expand and do the like plug into a computer and all these things yeah apple is gonna have to go through that process and it took google like three years to figure that out yeah so are they just gonna like knock it out of the park day one or Or are they going to have some flubs?

48:05I think they kill the iPad mini. No. Unfortunately. Please no. And this is the new iPad mini? And then this is the new iPad mini. And then they make a commercial where they're like, hey, what's that iPad? And the person's like, what's an iPad? What's an iPad? That'd be awesome. Deep cut. It should be around$2 ,000 or$2 ,000 to$2 ,500. So that is a fairly. Yes, it is. But it is also the same price that the Folds have been for like a very long time. Yeah. Or at least were when they launched. I'm not sure if that would like get a new round of people buying iPhones. I think a flip would be way more compelling to people.

48:42Because you also don't have to tell developers, okay, now there's a new screen size. You have to figure out. Well, there is the front facing screen if they had a screen on the front. Yeah. Oh, that's true. It's that or the big landscape thing. Yeah. Maybe it's iOS when it's closed. When you open it, it's iPadOS. And it's got an M chip. and it and it's wait now I want it it's interesting yeah so you know more rumor mill stuff I think we've been reporting on this for oh yeah a year we just need to talk about it enough to maybe put it in the thumbnail there's a long way away but it is interesting to imagine we have some facts to throw at you that are different from rumors WWDC also called DubDub someone in the comment section said stop calling it that And to you, I say no.

49:32That's what it's called. It's an acronym. I've listened to your concerns and I've chosen to ignore them. You sound a lot like Tim Cook right now. Also, WWDC. Oh my goodness. That takes forever to say. I'm just going to say Worldwide Developer Conference every single time. It hurts me. So when is the Worldwide Developer Conference this year? June 9th. Oh, Worldwide Developer Conference 2025. Yeah, the Worldwide Developer Conference 2025 is taking place at Apple headquarters in Cupertino, California at one infinite loop. It's typically in June, the Worldwide Developer Conference. Yeah, the Worldwide Developer Conference starts on June 9th, but the Worldwide Developer Conference is actually going to be accessible to every developer online, fully available online, between June 9th and June 12th.

50:17What are we expecting to see at this Worldwide Developer Conference? Well, glad you asked, Adam. At the Worldwide Developer Conference. I'm sorry, we're done. Dub-dub! That person regrets that comment. I wasn't done. I'm honestly surprised none of us tripped. I'm very surprised. That's why I didn't participate. Because I knew I would have. Yeah, so it's taking place June 9th. It is going to be available to developers entirely online, which is exciting. It is a Monday this year, which is a little bit different. Usually they do it on Tuesdays. Yeah, the initial day, first keynote and stuff. Yeah.

50:47So for us, I mean, unless we're doing a podcast there, then we can just do our normal podcast, I guess. Amazing. Which is cool. If that's even happening. Although, yeah, who knows. We will have to wait like four days for people to hear our thoughts on the thing that's happening on Monday. But in other news, the European Union has officially put into effect the consequences of its Digital Markets Act, and it's going to force Apple, allegedly, to change iOS in nine key ways, or seven key ways. Nine key ways. Nine key ways. I wrote this this morning. Nine key ways. Now, obviously, Apple can still appeal this, and they almost definitely will, because the ways that the European Union has told Apple to change iOS are all ways in which they keep people in their ecosystem.

51:35So surprisingly, all of these changes are things that you have to be very tech savvy and understand why these features kind of keep people in the ecosystem to do. So I'm just gonna go into the list here. Number one is better access to iOS notifications, which would allow third-party smartwatches to show notifications and allow people to interact with them similar to how the Apple Watch can. You also must allow custom actions from third-party developers and ensure that the actions are triggered on the iOS device. So like quick replies? Yeah, quick replies or opening apps on your phone when you click on the watch, that kind of stuff.

52:16This would fix a lot of the Garmin problem that we have. Big dub. Big dub? I mean big win. Big win. Oh, sorry. Win-win developer conference. Can we just, when you say these, can we say if this is a... A dub? Yeah. A W? Mm-hmm. A world? Okay, number two. World's in the chat. High bandwidth peer-to-peer Wi-Fi connections. I believe this means that MacBooks are going to be able to see your phone's network and connect to it very easily, regardless of it's an iPhone. Because right now, as long as your phone is around your Mac and is connected to the same Apple ID you can just click the Wi-Fi button and click connect to your phone super useful yes also when Chromebooks did that that was useful they still do it yeah Chromebooks and pixels yeah yeah yeah so that would be really nice uh the question then becomes to me if there are tons of phones everywhere is your laptop just going to show a zillion different networks oh I feel like that could be frustrating because the reason the way that they do it now is they check to see if you're on the same Apple ID and then it shows it.

53:23But part of this European Union thing is like the discovery aspect of that network needs to be opened. So that's pretty interesting. But they specifically say high bandwidth peer-to-peer and that makes me wonder if there is some underlying protocol where the iPhone giving access to internet to the MacBook is faster with its bandwidth or something than like an Android phone that is casting internet to the MacBook. I'm not totally sure. Number three, proximity-triggered pairing needs to be opened up. So obviously when you have a pair of AirPods or something and you hold it near the iPhone, it'll show that little pop-up window on the iPhone that's like, pairier, yeah.

54:05Google has fast pair, but only for Android phones. And so basically I think they're just trying to make it so that all earbuds have the same capabilities. So that would be nice. Yeah. Is that a dub? I think that's a dub. I'm also wondering if pairing AirPods to an Android phone would have to do it the other way around. Yeah, specifically they're going after Apple here. I imagine... Well, that's still Apple. Oh, I guess it's who's allowing that connection on an Android phone. Yeah. Google would still have to allow... Because there are different protocols right now. Google has the official fast pair protocol.

54:43Yeah. They use a Qualcomm thing. Okay, yeah. Yeah, and then I wonder, like, is the EU going to make Google open it up? That is a great question. Yeah. That is a great question. Number four, background execution. Apple needs to provide third parties with the ability to work in the background and fetch data. This is also something that completely nukes third-party smartwatches because a lot of the tasks and stuff cannot run in the background. Eric Mijakovsky, who just relaunched Pebble, specifically said why Apple won't let us make a good Pebble app. He wrote a whole blog post about it. And a lot of that has to do with the ability to fetch information from the phone actively while it's running in the background.

55:24Gotcha. WW. Close range wireless file transfer. Other platforms must be able to send and receive data via an equally powerful method as AirDrop when connected to an Apple device and have access to the same protocols AirDrop uses to operate, such as Discovery, Wi-Fi transfer, and more. Enormous dub. Yeah. Love it. Massive. I'd love to see it. It would make working in this office so much easier. Time to airdrop everything all the time. Airdrop stuff from my phone. Yeah. You know, and I don't feel bad for them having to open this up because for so long, you could have just let me plug my phone into my computer and access the files to it, but you don't.

56:01So here we go. I'm Slack messaging myself photos. Yeah. I mean, airdrop is definitely, they basically, what they did was they went onto Apple devices and they were like, what are all the things that only work among Apple devices and make it so you have to buy another Apple device for this feature to work well and they are basically just saying you have to open all this stuff up which is amazing I think the airdrop is kind of the secondary reason that people stay on iPhones when they have a Mac next to iMessage so that's a very big thing automatic Wi-Fi connection on third-party devices so for example if you connect to a Wi-Fi network on your iPhone and then you open your MacBook it's automatically connected to the same Wi-Fi network that's very helpful and uh that'd be nice I'm not really sure how they're going to do that i'm guessing it means with like because some smart watches can connect to wi-fi which allows them to pull notifications and stuff to the internet so it doesn't have to be connected via bluetooth to your phone it might be that i would love to see that based on other computers as well but i just don't really see how that would happen but who knows um casting solutions equal to airplay so apple has to give third parties the ability to cast with the same tech airplay has access to and it must be available in the control center picker and offer it via the standard media playback APIs without the developer needing to integrate an SDK.

57:19So that's cool. Am I the only one that's like not a fan of all of this? What do you mean not a fan? Like that they're forcing Apple to do this. Yeah, it's basically the result is good. Yeah, but it's weird. The way it's happening is a slippery slope. Like if they can just come in and go, all right, I know you built these technologies, but now here's what you have to do with them. Like, you know where all of these technologies exist on Android phones? Like, if it's really that serious, you know, you could just leave. But you can't. Then that's the whole problem. I think that's the whole reason they're doing this is because you can't leave.

58:02Like, you have to buy AirPods if you want to have, like, device switching and all that kind of stuff, you know? Yeah. You have to leave universally. You have to leave iPhone. yeah I mean yeah yeah which is very hard for people to do ironically in Europe it's not oh yeah that's what I was gonna say this is in the EU like it's harder here but it's harder here it's that difficult than the EU yeah so I don't know we got two more automatic audio switching so third-party headphones must have the ability to automatically switch between your phone and your laptop right now there is what is the term for it where it can multi device multi multi Multi-point where you can be connected to both at the same time.

58:43So I don't see this as that big of a deal because it's from the headphones perspective and not, you know, the device's perspective. But apparently they have to open that up to other headphones. And also they must be allowed to use the same high bandwidth connection that AirPods use, I guess, for lower latency or something like that. And then number nine, Apple has to open the NFC chip to read write so that you can not only have to use it with Apple Pay. Oh. Yeah. Because they - I love all these. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not a fan. I think all of these are things where like if you either have an iPhone, you should be able to have other things that aren't Apple products.

59:21Yeah, exactly. I think that's super reasonable. Right. Yes. Yes, the results are super reasonable. Yes. It's just, is this the way to accomplish those results? I mean, Apple's not going to do it by themselves. Yeah, right. Yeah. Consumers should. The question, well, but the question always becomes like, have you created a space where it's hard for consumers to pick other options and therefore they have to buy the Apple option, which further locks them into the Apple ecosystem? They can't get out. So other players can't even compete. I'm trying to imagine a less competitive version of the same thing where this would never happen.

59:58Like I designed like what did we what was that random car that had like luggage? The BMW iX. BMW made bespoke luggage that fits perfectly in the trunk of the BMW iX so like maximizes the trunk space so if you want to fill the trunk space with luggage you have to buy that luggage otherwise you're just going to buy some random cheap other third-party luggage and it might not fit or it might only take up half the space now the EU comes in and says BMW you are required to allow others to like design luggage with your exact specifications yeah but that's not illegal right now. Well, it's not illegal.

1:00:35Well, like, it's not illegal. You can still design luggage. Yeah, I feel like the difference would be, it's like if someone designed the luggage that did fit in there and then BMW had a way of being like, no, that doesn't. Or the trunk won't close if you put different luggage in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's better. Yeah, like, you are allowed to design with the exact dimensions, but if they detect it's not BMWs, then it doesn't work or something. Or, like, yeah, they should, the EU should be able to say, you can't do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm also going to go out and say that I am sure the way the EU is doing it isn't perfect because there's a lot of issues in every government everywhere.

1:01:10But like I think like it seems crazy that I know lots of people with iPhones that would rather have a Garmin watch just because there are a lot of benefits to it. Even versus an Apple Watch Ultra and not being able to do a bunch of the things and just straight up losing features in that. Yeah. Seems like super ticky tacky and things that like I don't think any of these are super unreasonable asks. that would really make people like not want their iPhone anymore. It just lets people with an iPhone have some more opportunities. Yeah. Yeah. There does become a question of like, how do you differentiate?

1:01:44How does Apple differentiate its products to make people want to buy them? Like, do they just have to make the audio quality better? Do they just have to? Which, to be fair, is what every other brand has to do. and there does become a problem when the platform developer becomes the person that is selling accessories for the platform because they can always prefer their accessories yep you know and so it's hard for competition to compete when there's a platform developer that also creates the it's like an amazon basics like knocks off products and puts their listing above other stuff yeah right we're amazon we built the search engine so we put what we want there you search fanny pack or like small camera bag and it comes up with the peak design knockoff that amazon on themselves made like that is anti-competitive yeah so yeah the solution is also you just leave the iphone it's really hard to leave the iphone i do it like three times a year well you yeah i mean you build different we have no discipline out here i would say like airdrop is probably the one thing that keeps me using the iphone right now because now that rcs exists and I'm getting these RCS chats from people and I'm RCS chatting with people, I'm like, I really don't have qualms not using iMessage anymore, but I do use AirDrop constantly and it is really, really hard to move files from an Android phone to a MacBook.

1:03:10May I interest you in an app called LocalSend, which does that. how fast does it do it's the same as airdrop it's just you have to download the app also send from the MacBook to the phone. Yeah. Do you need an app on the MacBook? Yep. Yeah. That's the thing. It's like this is built into the OS, but there are other options. You just have to download the options. I would like to end this segment with a tech support question because I know that this has worked in the past where somebody has an issue and then they put it out into the world and then other people with the same issue will find them. I have a tech support issue.

1:03:45It's RCS related. Okay. So this phone has RCS on it. Which phone is this? This is the Galaxy S25 Ultra, and I have AT &T. And I use Google Messages, so it should work perfectly with RCS. And RCS Chats is turned on and connected on this phone. When I send a message to someone with RCS, it starts to try to send for a while, and then it says it's pending, it'll send when the recipient is online, and then a couple minutes later it goes, the recipient was never online, so I sent an SMS instead. Does the recipient have an iPhone or an Android? Both. This has happened with both. and what is their carrier.

1:04:22So, Andrew, what's your carrier? I'm T-Mobile. You're T-Mobile. So it says RCS chat with Andrew. T-Mobile. Test, send. It says, I'm going to try to send an RCS, and it will stay there, and you haven't gotten a text yet, right? No. I hit send. I am in airplane mode, so maybe that's fine. So when I hit this, it says message delivers when Andrew is online, but it never gets there, and it just stays, and the person will not get my text until it auto backs up to SMS, or I just hit switch to SMS and then it sends you an SMS. So this, you will not get this text. I have a dumb question. Have you tried turning it off and on again?

1:04:56Yes, I have tried turning it off and on again. I have tried disabling it on one phone and then enabling it on a different phone. I think my issue is I have switched phones so many times and then when I switch phones, I don't like turn RCS off on one phone and then turn it on on the other phone. And I think that might be messing with it because as of this particular phone, I have like two RCS chats that are working and the rest all don't work. And they're backing all of them to SMS. And Andrew, you will not get that test. Yeah, and I just got other text messages. Yeah, so you're not going to get it until, wait, see this?

1:05:30Switch to SMS. You're going to get it in like two seconds now because it's just a regular SMS. There you go. Can you try it with me? It's funny because it still says RCS chat with Andrew. Yeah, and it still thinks it's an RCS chat. Wait, it says you're typing right now? Yeah. Which is probably the other one. Yeah, but it will never go through. Marquez, I think you're onto something, though, because my this is like a known thing when you leave iMessage where your numbers kind of tied up on the online service or whatever. I think it's because you're switching between Android phones that also now have this RCS enabled.

1:06:00That would be my guess. I think the jibed servers are like being pulled from one phone that isn't this phone. And so some other phone somewhere is logged in as RCS. It's probably right in the closet. it well the thing is if I go boot up those other phones they all say they're signed out so even though this is the only one that says it's signed in I think other phones are still getting these messages yeah that sounds about right can you go into your Google account and sign out other accounts sign out of RCS you can go you can like sign out of your Google account there was a bug when I was testing the Pixel 9 where I was trying to get RCS to work and it was not working and it was because I had not like turned RCS off on an old phone or something.

1:06:42Right. And then it wouldn't re-register it on the new device. I think that's where I'm at right now. Yeah. So if anyone else is watching this video and has had the same issue and found a fix to it, please let me know. I will be trolling through the comments, digging between all of your hot takes about wired audio and iPhones. You want an answer, but you already set everyone off on something else. Yeah, protocols. That seems super niche because you switch phones so much, but if that does occur to someone making a change and their old phone is broken or whatever and they can't go back, that's like a significant issue.

1:07:15It's been like a month of me not being able to chat with people in RCS on this phone. So every time you send someone a message, you then have to go in and you basically have to send twice. Yep, and then hit the text and then go switch to SMS and now you're going to get my text. Marcus, have you heard of WhatsApp? I've heard of it. And I don't want to go down that road. I just, yeah. so yeah we'll see if anyone hits me up in the comments we're gonna take one more quick break we do have crown and clown after we get back but before we get back let's do trivia

1:07:51trivia all right so what is wrong with marquez's home that's the question no i'm joking uh when was airdrop announced you will get one point for the year two points for the month and the year three points for the day three points for the day sure why not let's do it four points for the announcer five points for the hour actually I will give you four points if you can guess the announcer six points Shaq six points six points if you can tell me what they ate for lunch before they announced it alright we'll think about it we'll be back after the break this would be the wildest way for me to come back

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1:10:20Welcome back. And now, because it is the last episode of the month, we are going to do crown and clown, which means that we are going to go around and say what we think is the best thing that happened this month, aka the crown and what is the worst thing that happened this month aka the clown the trick is we all need to agree on what the crown and the clown is, so we have to convince each other of what it is and we're going to attempt to be more organized this month attempt, being the keyword and attempt was made, let's just say that so we're trying to be persuasive here let's do crowns first who wants to go first?

1:10:56I will okay this is for crown okay crown yeah I think that my crown is that we did our first live waveform show that's oh we did we sure did damn that's really hard to go against that one it was a good time damn it David that's a good one that is funny because my crown comes from that but I'll I do want to appreciate that it went really well sorry that was an alarm yeah David wake up I I just wake up. The whole thing was a dream. Again? Welcome to podcast. What? No, that is a good one. So my crown comes from that. It's not exactly that, but I do want to appreciate that we did do that. It went really well.

1:11:49It was a good time. It gave me ideas about other ways that we could do that in the future, which is exciting. If we decide to go that route, at some point. Could be fun. Shout out to everyone who was there. Shout out to the questions. We did publish that as well. You guys listened to that. I think that's pretty cool. Yeah. So what is yours? You should do it because. Okay, sure. My crown, I keep having to think and make sure I say the right word, is Gemini Live with access to your camera launching in the last month. I have been using this a lot more than I thought I would. So Gemini Live is a conversational Gemini where you pull up that like full screen thing, whatever it has access to your screen and then you can give it access to your camera.

1:12:31You open up the camera and you can just ask it about your surroundings and point it at stuff and ask it about what it's pointed at. It has not missed once. Do it to us right now. Yeah, ask it about us. All right, let's do it. We're supposed to be looking at the camera. So what do you see here? It looks like you're in a podcast studio. Are you getting ready to record a new episode? Yeah, I'm about to record this episode with these two people here. Is there anything you think I should ask them? That's awesome. Since you're podcasting with two people, you could explore the dynamic of their relationship.

1:13:04Ask them how they first met or what it's like working together. It often leads to interesting stories. Now here's what's fun. I want you to tell me about these headphones he's wearing. What are these? Those are Audio-Technica, ATH-M50X headphones. They're pretty popular in the audio world, known for their clear sound. It doesn't miss, dude. I've asked it about products. I've asked it about animals. Yeah, let's try it. That is crazy. What about my watch? What watch is this and is it any good? I'm wondering because this is like the Phoenix basically stole from the Epix line. Wait, you confused it.

1:13:39Yeah, we asked it like one person. Well, it's not very good if it can't listen to two people talk at the same time. I know our audience loves when we talk over each other. Gemini is just like, I will not partake. All right, let's try it. All right, so what is this watch and is it any good?

1:13:57It's a really popular high-end GPS watch, known for its durability and tons of features. Do you have any specific activities in mind that you'd want to use it for? No, but cancel that. I actually want you to tell me about this watch. I think it looks way cooler. What is this? Ah, that's a Casio AE1200WHD1A. It's a digital watch with a retro vibe. And yeah, it does look pretty cool. What? Are you thinking about getting one? This is modified. Mine is a Phoenix 9, by the way. That's crazy. With the screen off, I might look at that. This is heavily modified to the point where you can barely tell that it's an AE 1200.

1:14:34That's crazy. Yeah. I've pointed it at animals. It's told me about the animal. I've pointed it at products that don't have labels on them and it just knows what they are. I've been just asking it how to do things around the house. It's genuinely shocking how useful it is. I don't actually have that many things I need to do with it, but I just keep finding reasons to use it because it's that good. This is my crown for the month. I think people should try it if they have it on their phone. You do need a subscription. It's really good. Try it out. Wow. Yeah. That is interesting. I'll do mine. I don't think it's as good as either of these, so I'm not doing a good job of convincing, but I do think it will be appreciated in here.

1:15:11Android 16 is going to let all Pixel phones use fingerprint unlock when the screen is off. And this will be going back to old pixels as well. Wait, why? Fingerprint? Because before you had to tap on the screen to wake it up. You had to wake the screen up before you could use the fingerprint unlock under screen. That's specific. I remember one time you saying one of the things you really liked about the Samsung phones is that you can unlock them while the screen is off. And that's because they use ultrasonic fingerprint readers that don't need to light up the screen to see your finger. On the ones with optical fingerprint readers under the display, what they do is they light up a little area and then when you press that area then it shines a bright white light just on your finger.

1:15:54And there are some phones that don't do that. So just making them all do that is great. Is this when you don't have like always on display or something? Yeah. I think it's whether you have always on or not I think a lot of these phones understand that people just want to unlock it right away and so they'll have a little area indicator of where to press but some of them don't have that area. so you're saying Android 16 is going to make all of them that have an under display fingerprint reader tell you where to press and then when you press it it'll unlock. Pixel phones currently require the screen to be on for the fingerprint scanner to function.

1:16:26Thankfully this limitation will be addressed in the upcoming Android 16 update for Pixel and that they tested in settings, security and privacy, device unlock, face and fingerprint unlock, fingerprint unlock there's now a slider for screen off fingerprint unlock and they said it also did work on their 6A and 7 Pro. They were using the beta. Wow. Which I've realized I didn't know was even a thing until I remember you mentioning it and I use it on my S24 all the time now. Yeah. I was going to say I didn't know that was a thing because mine just does that. But I think it's because I have always on display on.

1:17:00So it is like always on. Your Pixel does? Yeah. The screen never actually turns off. So there's always an area to like touch my finger and turn it on. Yeah. Nice. That's a good feature. It's a good feature. And it's good that they're adding it back and not pretending it can only happen in the newest phones. Yeah. Okay. Interesting. Adam, do you have a crown? My crown was going to be... I had three, but I'm just going to pick one because I thought it was going to be pretty unanimous and none of you guys picked it, so I'm going to pick the top one. I'm going with the Pixel 9a that came out this month.

1:17:32Did it? Did it? It got moved to April. That's the thing about... Oh, that's fair. Alright, then I'll go to my backup. the Sigma BF. Oh, wow. The Sigma boyfriend. That thing is so, I still can't stop thinking about it. It is completely impractical, but so cool. The evolution of the coverage of this camera online has been so fun to watch because it started off as like, what is Sigma doing? They made this really weird camera with no card slot and it's also all metal and doesn't look ergonomic. And then it shifted to, yeah, this is kind of what Apple would have done if they made a camera. It's really pretty and it is a Sigma camera and it's not that expensive.

1:18:11And then people got their hands on the camera and started shooting with it and using it because of all the attention. And suddenly it's like, okay, it doesn't have a viewfinder, but it is kind of fun to shoot with. And it does have a couple decently useful features. And suddenly it's like, this is kind of a friendly, like fun camera. And the pictures are good. And the pictures are solid. So it's like, it went from being kind of novelty and a quirky, weird headline to suddenly an option for people to actually buy in the last couple months. Can't really use it outside when it's bright outside. Yeah, no viewfinder, no card slot.

1:18:43It still has weird quirks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's so freaking fast. And also those, the iSeries lenses, they're super affordable and feel insanely premium. And also affordable is still a few hundred dollars, but in the lens world, it's super affordable. Come on. Yeah, what are we talking about here? So that's my cool. If you said the silver version, I would agree with you, but you left it vague. The silver is also really hard to film, especially outside. It just reflects everything. It looks so good. I like personally, I like looking at the silver one more. I think it's beautiful. But if I were to buy one, I probably would just get the black one.

1:19:19Really? Same. I'm not walking around with that giant silver block or hanging around. I would only buy that if I wanted everyone to see that I had it. So I would buy the silver one. You say that. I think that's where I started when I was looking at this camera. I was like, oh, there's a black one, but you have to get the silver one. That's the whole point of this camera. now I'm like if I was really going to shoot with this yeah like if you were actually going to buy it I'll get the black one yeah I get the silver silver team silver you're both wrong it's fine interesting okay I think the image quality is so good so our crown options are our first South by Southwest success Gemini Live looking through your camera Android 16 fingerprint unlock fingerprint unlock toggle and thank you David and Sigma BF mirrorless camera.

1:20:08How about we do this? We know the winner is all voting for ourselves at South by Southwest. So let's pick the second winner. I agree with you. That's a good thing to do. That's why I was like, damn it, David. I would pick actually useful AI in your phone. I think that's gotta be it. I would pick that too. Damn, I was gonna stick with my Sigma BF, but I guess I'm outvoted. I think I'll go, I think the AI is the most useful and the most reasonable for most of our listeners too. My heart wants to pick the Sigma BF. The Sigma is pretty cool. It's where your heart leads. The Sigma BF and the GFX 100 RF had like very...

1:20:46That was my third option. They had very intense conversations online. And we don't get that intense of a conversation, especially about a camera that often. I think especially the BF had even more conversations. And who really convinced me about it was Viren at the Verge. He posted his videos and his pictures. I was like, oh man. In the hands of someone who's capable, this thing was doing work. His photos are awesome. I might actually switch to the BF. Oh, let's go. I'm on Marquez. Considering Adam voted for the AI. We've been getting the Gemini. It's been slowly being upgraded continuously for so long.

1:21:27Can I ask you a question? How often are you using it? And can you give me a few examples of how you're using it? Because that's always mine. Sure, I pointed it at a bird in my yard the other day and I said, what is that? And it told me what kind of bird it was because it looked kind of weird and I was like, what kind of bird is this? Did you fact check that? I think I Googled that name of a bird later and it was right. Okay. That bird is uranium 53. I pointed it at a, okay, so it doesn't have to be pointed at one thing. I scanned the entire room of all the gym equipment and then asked me, what can I do with this equipment?

1:22:00And it told me a bunch of different workouts with all the different things. What kind of smoothie can I make with this gym equipment? Yeah, so like, you know, the demo when you have the glasses on and look at something and it tells you what to make from those ingredients. You can just point it at four or five things and then ask it the question and it will do it. Can it do multimodal on your screen? Like it can see what's on your screen? It can see what's on your screen. Can you open it right now and ask you why your RCS messages aren't going through? Ooh, whoa. If it solves that, I think it's automatic winner That's an automatic winner.

1:22:29There's zero chance it does. I don't know. Also, is this the Sigma boyfriend or the Sigma Becca Versace? Let's try this. So you can see this screen with a text message conversation. The message is not delivering, and I think it's an RCS issue. Can you tell me what the problem is? Okay, I see what's going on. The message says, message delivers when David is online. And there's a button to switch to text SMS slash MMS. That means you're trying to send a message using RCS, but David isn't online or doesn't have RCS enabled. If you switch to SMS slash MMS, it'll send as a regular text message. So here's the thing.

1:23:09David does have RCS and so do I. So there must be some other issue. Okay. Since you both have RCS, let's try a few things. First, make sure your mobile data or Wi-Fi is on as RCS needs internet. If that doesn't work, try starting your phone. I don't really want to restart my phone. I also have tried that before. Okay, I understand.

1:23:42We're pretty far from AGI, my friends. I don't know. Now I'm in on the air. It tried. I can see that you have a problem. I can see that. In its defense, none of us could figure it out. I understand why that might upset you. I've also pointed it at a YouTube video and it read the title of the video and told me what the video would be about so I didn't have to watch it. Was it about that? That's terrible. It was right. Yeah, but it's just... We're going to go under. It's good at a lot of things. How does it handle clickbait that's not about what the title is? Because it knew the video. It didn't just look at the title.

1:24:13It knew the video. Whoa, really? Yeah. So there's just a lot of things. Matter of fact, I'll just pull up this drone deliveries video we just did and see if it can tell me what this was. While you do that, there is someone on, I think, Twitter who's been replying to our auto posts about the video going live and it adds a bot that does exactly this and it'll take the video, summarize it in like a paragraph or two. So I've got it on my screen right now, right? People just don't want to enjoy anything anymore. Tell me what this YouTube video is about. That's why I watch it 2x speed. That looks like Marquess Brownlee's video about the truth of drone deliveries.

1:24:49Did you have any questions about it? What was his conclusion? His conclusion was that while drone delivery is technically impressive, it's not as practical or widespread as some people think. He pointed out limitations like battery life, weather restrictions, and regulations that make it difficult to implement on a large scale. That's both right and wrong. Yeah. It was a good guess. Also, many people in our Indian audience have told us that drone delivery is actually quite popular in India, which is impressive. In all of India? Because India is huge. I would not know. There are some countries that were coming to the top of the comments.

1:25:23Ghana is another one that was like, yeah, we do that a lot here. Yeah. Anyway, if I can't sway you guys on that, I think I could switch to Sigma. I think we might have to go Sigma BF. All right. It's the crown. All right. Sigma BF crown. Sigma, of course it's going to take. Now we'll do our clown of the month of March 2025. Anyone want to take first dibs, first takers? Adam's going? Okay. Yeah. So have you guys seen the Saratoga water guy? Yes. Dude, crown for sure. No. Crown. No. How is that a crown? Because he I've never seen a post. You have to explain this. You have to explain this. I've never.

1:26:05Yeah. What is it? First of all, what is the video? So it's like a video of a guy who's getting up at like three or four in the morning. I think it's like three in the morning or something like that. And he's going through his like epic morning routine. But there's always Saratoga water in the shot or he's using it for like dumping his face in it with ice or something like that and he's drinking it the the stock rose like 17 % just off of this guy going viral or something maybe the youtubers do have an effect on the stock this was a this was one of those cringy daily routine videos yeah that this guy I want to find out what his name was Ashton Hall Ashton Hall he did this he does a bunch of these and this is a whole genre online but it's basically picture the the stereotypical like guy who wakes up at 3 30 dumps his face in ice water does a workout takes some work calls has a whole day done by noon eats healthy food does everything perfectly and you're like wow okay what do you do this guy's this guy's doing this most unrealistic thing ever to me it's a crown clearly for two reasons okay convince me one this guy is self-aware and is playing into it and is successfully getting a lot of views i have never seen a post on twitter get 600 million views what until this one are you sure that's real and not just like impressions well it's i've never seen 600 million impressions on twitter either this says it's up to 742 million i've never seen anything get that many and two because now everyone's talking about it and the company which let's be honest is probably associated with him in some way is getting a lot of free and I don't know that he is I don't think they are I think it's just like I think he just picked a water that's like a more like it's a water that makes no sense to brush your teeth with and wash your face with it's expensive water it's like nice for reference this is super niche to know this and to be a Top Chef watcher but for like 20 seasons Top Chef was sponsored by San Pellegrino, which is, I'm sure, a bottled water company you've heard of.

1:28:08The last two or three seasons, now their big sponsorship is Saratoga Spring Water, which is this. What this guy has done for Saratoga Spring is 10x what Top Chef has ever done for this. And they're spending hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars. Agreed. And now everyone's parodying it, too. And they're buying the same water to do the parody videos. That is a huge crown as well. My thing is, I know that now he's definitely aware of it and he's capitalizing on it. I'm thinking back to how this started. Did he do this intentionally? Or did he just have the water there while going through a real legit morning routine?

1:28:44I'll let you in on a little secret. Oh, God. Remember when I told you guys there's tons of different genres on YouTube? There's the Apple unboxing YouTube channel. There's the I Only Modify Classic Porsches YouTube channel. There are also lots and lots of inspirational YouTubers who just do routine videos. This is my makeup routine. This is my morning routine. If you go on YouTube, you will find endless of these videos. And as that got more and more popular, you got more and more extreme versions of it. The Huberman versions of this where they're just like, I wake up at three o 'clock in the morning and I write down my daily affirmations and I do an hour of yoga and then I do a cold plunge and then I eat my second breakfast.

1:29:28Were you watching me this morning? Like that's a real genre of YouTube is unrealistic, unrealistic daily routine videos. This one happened to catch fire and go viral, but I will tell you now it is not unlike many hundreds of others that I unfortunately have seen. This guy found just the right combination of parody and self-awareness to be like, does this guy really think that this is realistic? Like I think he nailed this video and that's how we got 700 million views in a week and why we're all talking about it. And I think everyone else in this genre on YouTube is like, damn, this guy got it.

1:30:07I think there's a 50 50 of this of, I think he does do a lot of inspirational stuff, but is going in on the meme. Cause like there's a part where he like wipes his face down with a banana peel. Nobody does that and doesn't think this is going to go viral. I think he turned parts into parody for sure. And then he posted a picture of his shopping cart. It was just like, Serotonous Spring water and bananas. It's like, you all know what this is for. Yeah. I think there was not one second that this guy wasn't thinking, how can I make this get a lot of views? Because he's made a lot of these in the past.

1:30:42So you think this was premeditated? I think so. And I think that is why it's more of a crown than a clown, in my opinion. We'll never know. but if that's the case I'll agree but I don't know it seems like this trend needs to go away already that's where I'm at it'll be gone by the time this episode comes out for like three weeks probably anyway what was your guys clowns okay there's two real big ones that I know will be said that are you guys thinking that that video matters does someone want to go next I have a clown my clown is the Dodge Charger EV. Oh. It's a... I was thinking about that. We've talked about this.

1:31:28It's the electric car that makes lots of loud noises like a gas car, but isn't as fun. Yeah. That one. Yeah. Yeah, that's my clown. It's a pretty good one. Yeah. Only 240 miles of range. Do you want to go? 86 grand for a Charger. 86. Come on. But it makes a fun noise. Need I go on? I think you should go because I'm still thinking. Okay. I think there's two pretty big stories and one of them is 23andMe going bankrupt and selling all of our DNA data to the highest bidder. Feels like a giant clown. Wait, did they sell already? Not yet. They did not sell yet. They haven't sold, but it's up for sale and that's...

1:32:07That's a problem. Feels... I should delete my account. Yeah, that feels super bad. I think there are some articles out there on how to get as much as you can off of that as possible, but sending your DNA into one of those from the start. Did it ever seem like a good idea? And now it kind of is really proving that. I agree with you, but counterpoint, I was 18. And I thought that the tech industry was not going to become what it is. What was the old Google saying? Don't be evil. Don't be evil. I think my clown is that I was not able to make it to the Atmosphere conference this last weekend, which is the AT Protocol's first conference for Blue Sky happened in Seattle.

1:32:51Leave it up to you to somehow turn this into David's stuck in Prague. He's so mad. Couldn't make it to Seattle in time. You were willing to make yourself the clown. Yeah. Yeah. I vote for that. Actually, I was the clown because I bought one of those insanely cheap tickets that you cannot change. And I only found out about the conference that I could go after I bought the tickets. Damn. And I would have had to pay$1 ,000. That is clown-like. You hate to see it. Clowning myself. When you are flying United by any chance? Yeah, you reminded me of another clown. I guess we'll always take the opportunity to clown on an airline.

1:33:28There is a story. I don't know if you saw this on Twitter, apparently. And this was corroborated. There was a flight that took off from LA on the way to China. And then two hours into the flight, it turned around and flew back, diverted to San Francisco because the pilot forgot his passport. Yeah. And I just want to be a fly on the wall for the moment that he had to announce that to everyone. because he flew for two hours. Everyone thought, all right, time to post up, relax, chill. And then the plane starts doing that like turnaround thing and starts going back and I had to go, hey, hey everybody.

1:34:03Yeah, that must have been the worst in-flight announcement of all time. The thing too is that you can't say there's some, you can't like cover it up and say there's something wrong because you're already over the Pacific Ocean. No, you just gotta own it. You're gonna freak everyone out. And for the next two hours and when they landed and everybody got off the plane. The audience went, and everyone got a$15 meal voucher. That was their result. Two meal vouchers. Sorry, two$15 meal vouchers, which is for sure better than one. Yeah. So I'm going to say United Airlines or at least that pilot in that moment qualifies for the clown.

1:34:36Bummer tone. It's got to be. Who among us has not forgotten our passport though? Let's be real. I did once. Really? Luckily, I had enough time and this is extremely rare to go back home, get it and go back to the airport. I had the same thing happen. It's crazy. Yeah. What was I going to say? I don't remember. So yours is flight-related clown? Mine is a flight-related clown. Yeah. Yeah. But the AT protocol conference did happen. It's called the Atmosphere Conference. I think it's super cool. And I will be at the next one. Is it annual? As long as I don't buy a cheap ticket. Annual? Hopefully. You got to wait another year?

1:35:10Yeah. How about... Oh, how about the Pixel 9a? That was supposed to come out. that was pretty yeah but the thing is we're never gonna find out why right yeah they said a potential component issue which could be any of the components to be to be fair it's better to delay a product if you've caught something early than to release it and have it go wrong yeah we don't know how careful they're being we don't know if it's like hey 10 of them exploded or if it's like oh one of the vibration motors was a little bit weird and we had to replace them all it's like I have no idea what severity of the issue is but they've addressed it before shipping or taking pre-orders and I think that's actually a good thing.

1:35:48But yeah, we don't know what the thing is. I think it's selling our DNA to the highest bidder. It's selling our DNA. But they haven't done it yet. Yeah, they're trying. Oh, they will. I need to delete my data. Everyone on here should look that up. I did an Ancestry.com one a long time ago and ever since then they have consistently emailed me anytime someone gets added to my family tree, meaning someone else takes a test and it turns out they're related to me. Yeah, in any way. And sometimes it's someone that I know. It's like my dad's cousin or something. And it'll be like, oh, you're dad's cousin.

1:36:21I'm like, oh, super cool. I got one the other day that said, second cousin once removed. And I don't know what that means. So I just archived it and moved on. My crown is that I thought I had to unplug and replug my car in. But when I unplugged it, it was already at 95%. Nice. Oh, you're good. Best thing that happened in all month. Imagine if your car had a FratSonic exhaust. Clown? A Fratsonic chambered exhaust. 126 decibels. Ooh. Rumbles your car from the inside. Are the speakers good? No. But they're loud. I love how competitive Marquez is. He just lost the crown vote by a hair. I need this one.

1:37:06I'll vote for Charger EV, although I'm pretty sure hundreds of millions of personal data getting sold is pretty bad. That's worse. That's 100%. I'm voting for that, dude. I can't vote for it until it happens. As soon as it happens, I'll be on your side. But we have to give them the benefit of the doubt. All they did was file for bankruptcy, and then every tech company went, does that mean that X company could buy it? That would be horrible, and it would, but it hasn't happened yet. But if they're for sale, someone will. There's way too many tech companies building their random offshoot LLC or whatever so they can buy it without it just being like, Meta bought the 23andMe personal data price.

1:37:42That would be the end times. Paint me a picture. What's the worst that could happen? I don't know enough about it. Find your DNA. They give it to people you don't want them to give it to. And then they know everything about you. But it's not associated with me. It's your DNA. It literally is your association. It wasn't the thing that it's not like individually associated with. Yeah, but my question that's confusing is like, then how do I log into my account and see my specific traits then? because they're saying that you can see your traits but you can't see the data that is your DNA like showing you the surface.

1:38:19They're surfacing information from the DNA that they analyzed. So people could, but if they, the people they sold it to could see my traits. They could see your traits. So then they know that I'm likely to grow back hair. Whatever it tells you. They maybe can see that. I don't even know if that's true but I don't think they can see your literal DNA. Why would that? I don't know. What do you have to hide in your DNA? I don't know, dude. Look, there have been so many times in the tech industry where I thought that it couldn't be that bad. And every time, it's even worse. That's just, I just, you know.

1:38:53Somebody bought my DNA. What's the worst that could happen? Marquez is really trying to win this Charger EV. Here's an article. Here's the worst that could happen if your DNA data is exposed. I can't wait until his eyes open 23andMe's bankruptcy has some consumer advocates warning customers of the DNA testing company to delete their accounts. Here's why I just took a DNA test turns out 23andMe went and sold my DNA Chapter 11 doesn't change how it stores regardless data. Any buyer will have to comply by law the problem is the applicable laws are incomplete and don't cover this emerging industry.

1:39:40For example, employers can't make hiring decisions based on genetic test results. Yet. God. That's a good law. But the law has nothing to say about applying genetic data to other forms of insurance like life insurance. Boom. That's pretty bad. Dude. They're going to charge me more for my car insurance because I grow back hair. or like health insurance. I feel like it's wild that there's a lot of people listening to this podcast that will be like, what do you mean by health insurance? What do you guys have to do over here? Yeah. That seems like a pretty straightforward law. Well, the health insurance thing?

1:40:24Can I deny coverage based on genetic profile? They'll find a way. This feels like the little progressive thing you put in your car to see how you drive around, except now it's just my DNA for my insurance instead. Before you drive away in this car, spit in this tube. Oh, your insurance went up. That's crazy. All right, so I'll give you Marquez. What are you voting for? The Fratsonic chambered exhaust.

1:40:56I think that's the worst thing that happened this month. I really think it's worse. Have you heard this car drive by 126 decibels of seriously dude? Every time. Does the car sell your DNA to insurance companies? It doesn't say it doesn't. Worse. It loops an MP3. It tells everyone that you drive by exactly who you are. Oh. You know? Mic drop. I'm just saying. We will let the comment section vote. How about that? I don't. we're gonna have to figure something out how to get this segment the segment being we all have to agree really made it hard version of the segment was already the most polished out of all i thought we were democratic around here why aren't we just democratic all right so i'm going frat sog are you going frat sog no are you going frat sog are you going frat sog over 23 and me potentially okay here's what i'll say okay i'm gonna go the daytona oh my god specifically because nothing bad has happened yet that's that's also my life i understand politics so much better now yeah this is always what happens behind closed doors yeah yeah um the april clown could be catastrophic but here we are in march nothing's happened yet it's like you know what it's mark is like you know what it hasn't happened yet next exactly april clown um United Health now owns 23andMe so yeah I think that's my only logical argument here we go I agree join us on the logical train David this is more like the jury duty that just wants it to be over in fact you should be happy that they went bankrupt because they were going to do some crazy things with that information anyway so they're bankrupt they haven't yet they were actually doing some pretty cool things but I disagree point cool okay okay we got him ladies and gentlemen we got him what better time to do the trivia oh my god all right and uh eraser this is uh running a little long probably but it's fine it's fine we'll fix it in post so question oh actually first quick update on the score because i forgot to do it last week marquez don't tell me with 13 okay andrew with six David carrying the 2 with 15 I did think I was ahead by 2 Question 1 Which of these games was not available on the PS1?

1:43:32A. Gran Turismo B. Crash Bandicoot C. Final Fantasy D. Call of Duty World at War or E. All of these were available on the PS1

1:43:59flip him and read what do we got oh god okay we are all on the same page here no we're not oh that's not the same Yeah we are. Oh are we? It is the same. Oh yeah there's an E sorry. Okay yeah we all said Call of Duty. I said D. You said Call of Duty. You said David is right. We all said D for Call of Duty. I said yeah. Correct. Ayo. Was it that easy? I thought that one was a difficult one. I was torn between C and D. I picked D. Call of Duty came out on PS2 so I thought that might trip you. Yeah but Call of Duty feels newer than all those other games. Call of Duty World of War is the second one also.

1:44:32Yeah that's kind of what I was hoping for. Did the first one come out on PS1? The first one was on PS2. PC only, I think. I played it on the computer. What's a computer? Question two. When was AirDrop announced? AirDrop. I got to think about this one. AirDrop. You will get one point for the year, two points for the month, three points for the month, day, and year, four points if you could tell me all of that plus who announced it. Who announced it? Oh, the guy. Or the person. The person that announced it. actually I'll just make each of those things one point wait hold on hold on hold on hold on I'm still writing can you do it again no flip them and read David David David okay who wants to go first okay so my logic is like wait I'm such a they had to have things to airdrop between so I kind of tried to pick like right after the iPad came out so I said I went July 2010 just to be summer 2010 and I said it was Jaws.

1:45:36Fortunately, you only got one point. The year. The month. It was July. My logic was my marker ran out of ink and I did not have a lot of time so I wrote three things down very quickly. 2013. March. I wrote the 17th. As who announced it? I thought we were guessing the day also. If you wanted to. no all right um okay look i have to preempt this i didn't mean what i wrote but i guess i'm gonna have to lay it out there okay what is it clown on me is it ios 5 not a date yeah okay now I'm like oh 2011 but what did you write? I wrote 2007 it was 2011 I think I just thought iPhone and I wrote 2007 but I meant to write 2011 I hate myself I was 5 right?

1:46:47I wrote June but June. But my... You never wrote who announced it. I was also going to write Jaws, but I didn't. But what he ate for breakfast that morning... It was definitely an egg. Scrambled eggs. I want to petition for a point for being the closest in date, but I'll let it slide. Can anyone give me a point for knowing it was 2011, but not writing it? No. Nope. The correct answer. The thing is, I just thought of iPhone. Yeah, give us the correct answer, Adam. It was July 20th, 2011. Announced by Phil Schiller. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Phil Schiller. Yeah. Mr. Phil. iOS 5, right? No, 7. According to Andrew.

1:47:35Air drop. Well, according to Google's AI overview. I assumed it was a dub dub reference, which is why I went with the summer. I'm pretty sure that's wrong. And it paid off. no matter what I am one point closer to David and that's all that matters here at the end of the day thank you for watching and listening this is probably our rambliest craziest episode in a while but that's just how it goes we don't have Ellis to rein us in yeah sometimes we don't have Ellis to rein us in and we just go absolutely nuts and now the comments are flaming me about lossless audio and that's okay thanks for watching and listening catch you guys next week peace goodbye wait for us produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Revan we're partners of the Vox Media Podcast Network and a attractor with music was created by Vane Silk.

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