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33:22Terms and conditions apply. All right, let's jump right back into the conversation. Actually, I want to ask about a very specific workflow thing. And you can expose as many secrets or as few as you want. We're really different people is what I'm learning. I just like the nuts and bolts of it. How did you make the super cuts so damn fast? Because I remember maybe some of the early days of these super cuts, I'd be watching an event, Apple event, Google event, whatever's happening. I'd finish the live stream and or maybe I'd be there on the ground or something and then I'd click out. and then not more than 15 minutes later i would open youtube and there would already be a 20 minute supercut less than 20 minutes after it uploaded and my brain's like the math ain't math and something is not right here for those that don't know uh the verge famously does these supercuts of tech events where it's like google's pixel event in 15 minutes and becca was the one that was editing those and like mark has said they were always out within minutes of the event being over yeah which is crazy i think uh something about me is that i'll leave it all in the field but i'm really competitive like really competitive love that yeah and um and with super cuts like there's other outlets that are doing them um and also there was like people on my team that were cutting other things during the event i had to be first like i had to be first this is the the peak of like bringing value and being first yeah like summary quick summary because nobody wants to watch the 45 minute video again the keynote's over i just missed it what do i need to see bam just watch the super cut yep so this is useful yeah yeah it's useful um but it also in being super competitive and wanting to be first made me such a fast editor like i am insanely quick at editing now um and i just now i know these events very well too you know i know when Apple is going to give me a bogus line.

35:22I know when they're going to cut to an ad. And so I know I can like catch up at those parts. So you're editing as the event is happening. Yeah. Oh, let me explain. So basically we have like, you know, one laptop that's just viewing the event, HDMI out through a little black magic. Like a box. Yeah, it's a box. I don't know what the hell it's actually called. Does stuff inside of it? Yeah, a little box. And then it goes into this program called movie recorder plus um that will both like record and allow you edit access at the same time what yeah that's magic it's awesome and there's a couple of different ways to do it that's just the way we did it um and so then i'm in premiere and like just pulling out the clip as the events going like in premiere you can see it expanding you have to like pull it out manually but like the little arrow that shows you that you're at the end of the clip will like disappear and that's when you know you can like pull it out that is and it's like every 30 seconds you get like 30 seconds no way yeah okay so you're you're actively getting the footage as it's streaming in yep and then you can kind of decide in the moment this is a line that will be in the supercut timeline this is a line that won't be in the supercut continue to watch oh my gosh yeah ripple delete baby like let's go yeah qw right r i just put it right on r oh got it okay yeah Yeah.

36:41So so, yeah. And I'm watching it at like two times speed. So usually like I won't really start like I'll get the hi welcome from like Tim or whatever. Good morning. Next. Next. Yeah. Don't need it. And but I know like the next five minutes is just going to be a summary of what they're going to go over. I don't need any of that. So I'm like drinking water, looking at the end, whatever. And then I pull it out and it's like go time. So then I'm like cutting, watching it two times speed, cutting out like pauses or whatever it is. and then I add like the ads when they show the ads are great because I know I can like go back and clean everything up oh wow yeah because sometimes there's like a jump cut where they go from like a tight to a wide yeah and I even would like try to like smooth those over or I would like move things around because sometimes they give the price for three products but they like I want the price right after the product right I don't know if this is making sense yeah no yeah I'm watching the super cut in my head as you're talking yeah and then and then like sometimes when they do the ads it's nice because you'll get like a good um b-roll bit so like separating the audio pulling that on top disabling it so that if i need to cover something i have it and then sometimes funny things happen that like maybe i'll put at the end for the end card um so i'll put that into another timeline that's just like extras um but but yeah it's just like i just lock in and i love it and i come out and i feel like god i don't know like i just feel crazy.

38:06Yeah, I love that. That's like, I mean, I've sort of decided that I can't be first when I'm making my videos. So I've, I've decided, okay, at the expense of probably being almost last, I will try to make this video as valuable as possible. But in the, like that moment where the keynote ends and there's a hands-on area and you see people sprint over, like that is an entirely different race. And I respect that so much because I can't do that anymore. But I do think that that the super cut of like delivering the value basically instantly yeah that was like a i kind of want to see if i can pull some learnings from that because that's super interesting yeah i learned a lot about just editing and also just about people speaking and how they speak and what to cut out but but yeah there's people that do it faster than me now though really yeah and i would love to know how they do it bless them but i also i'm done with that yeah yeah speaking Speaking of that, I had a question about this.

39:01So we clearly know that you're very into cameras. You like camera content. Oh, man. Secret's out. You did a lot of camera content on The Verge. You already have quite a bit of camera content on your channel. Yeah. Are you trying to stick in a lane? Because I feel like in modern YouTube, the way modern YouTube works, you kind of have the opportunity to be more than just one thing because it's about the personality, one. and two subscriptions are so de-important like not as important anymore that that's a word yeah de-prioritize de-prioritize thank you um that the algorithm will just serve them content that they're into in the moment so like do you feel a little bit trapped in a lane or are you expecting to like go outside of that lane i don't feel trapped and maybe i like should but i i really don't and i am excited to go outside of that lane the tough part for me is that in my editing style i use so much footage from devices right and so i am gonna depart the lane but i'm already worried about like what am i gonna show people right this part because like this is where like it's so easy to like get my personality via a camera on a device and i and i use that a lot um like recording off of the device yeah yeah like you'll you'll notice in a lot of my videos i'll be like i'm I don't really like this wide angle lens.

40:25And then it's like cut to me using it and having a reaction to it via the product. Right. I use that all the time. And so like I have a lot of like headphone stuff coming up. And I used to make a lot of headphone videos. But I'm like, God, what am I going to? OGs know. OGs remember. Yes, they know. The buds know. Oh, yeah, the buds know. But so, yeah, I'm excited to get outside of that lane is the answer. I don't know how I'm going to do it yet, but I want to do it soon so people know that. Do you have an idea for the wildest outside of your lane thing? Like something that's not even related to anything you've ever done before?

41:02Yeah. I'm really interested in the exoskeletons. Like the Arterix has one. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We talked about that on the pod a few weeks ago. Yeah. And I'm just at first I was like, no one needs this. But then in their marketing, they did a very good job because they explained that like, what about folks who used to go outside a lot and no longer can do like the big hikes that they used to this might give them a way to do that and i was like you know actually like accessibility's dope that's cool um and i'm really excited to try that but like that's something i don't know a lot about that world and i'm like ready to learn i'm excited to learn i'm excited to tell people and teach other folks too but it does feel like a big departure well a lot of people don't even know that you're like a really big outdoorsy hiker person yeah yeah yeah for those that don't know i'm a big outdoorsy You couldn't tell by the plaid.

41:52Why don't you like take... No, no, I'm just gay. Sorry. Why don't you like take tech outside or something? Yeah, I thought about that. Yeah, that was like, should I tagline my whole channel that? Yeah, I'm still thinking about it. But I think the thing about like feeling like you're in a lane is sometimes you just want to make the same stuff. Yeah, do you feel that? I've not trapped myself, but I've been making some of the same types of videos for a while in a way that it can feel like that's all I can make. But that's mostly what I want to make. I mean, I think it's cool that like you're exploring things like F1 and like things that, you know, you could make the argument that it's tech.

42:30But just like our episode last week, what isn't kind of related to tech? Right, it has some sort of tech in it. But it also comes from like other hobbies that you're actually passionate about. So like the car stuff comes from things where I'm getting really into cars and they have tech in them. so it's a natural loop it's natural thing we also make videos about so like if you have this like uh outdoor passion or hiking passion or or gear passion or whatever that can easily be looped in like that's if people want to see becca they want to see becca no matter what she's passionate about well that's what i hope that's that's something i just don't know if it's true yet i'll find out so what i so here's i'll bring another like piece of like what i got from this creator summit there's such i get like little snips from it but you know renee yeah um and he works for YouTube now and something that he said that was very it struck me about YouTube was people always ask about the algorithm how does the video find the person how does it push it to certain people and he said to think of it as not that the video is being pushed by the algorithm it's that videos are being pulled by users so when a user logs in it's up to YouTube to find videos for that user it knows what it likes it knows what that person's watched before what it's interacted with and so it's going to pull what it thinks they'll find whether it's subscribed or not so this is why the subscriber metric feels like more and more of just a kind of a vanity thing it is because it's really about what you make when it's presented to people that theoretically should be interested right are they actually engaging with it yeah and so if you're passionate about something and you make a video where it's very clear that you're passionate about something others who care about that thing sooner or later whether they watch instantly because they're a subscriber or they don't but they find it later they'll find it yeah and then they'll find the rest of the things that you talk about yeah so it's just to think about uh instead of thinking about the algorithm thinking about the person that logs in when they see your video what do you want them to see yeah yeah i i talked on renee uh a few months ago when i was like really transitioning um and the thing that he said that stuck with me is he's like you know you have a show and you're a character on that show and if you're consistently that character and you consistently make someone feel a certain way they're going to keep watching the show and so that's how i've been thinking about it as well but it's you know a similar idea of like shared interest and shared feelings and yeah yeah yeah i remember like in 2017 when i think it was like strange parts uh that youtube channel he his first video got a million views and i think everyone was blessing and a curse yeah definitely definitely um but i think that that was sort of in a like the beginning of the algorithm just not caring about subscribers that much yeah and just like really pushing just good content yeah and now it seems like you can just sort of as long as you're good at what you do like the people will find you which is kind of amazing it is amazing Yeah, Marquez, are there videos that you wish you could make that you don't feel like you can because you're make tech videos?

45:34No, I think I'm very lucky to be able to say no. I think a lot of people find that they have a channel that's all the same style and they want to make this other video, but they don't think they can because their audience won't like it. Their subscribers won't respond to it. It'll tank, whatever it is. I really genuinely feel that we've expanded our style enough and I've set expectations to a place where literally any video I genuinely want to make I think we can make it yeah which is not everyone can say it but I'm excited that I can say that that's true yeah that's awesome yeah yeah I'm like testing that right now because I'm just making videos about things I like perfect um and so far it's working but yeah but you know what's interesting is like what if you made like a hiking video you know those like silent in the woods hiking videos this is what I mean like could you actually make adams yeah far out like could you actually make a video that is you know maybe it's not a review but it's like something totally different do you feel anxious about doing that kind of thing here's the the weird thing about that is that hiking's kind of this like sacred thing for me it's like where i don't interact with tech it's where i don't interact with people i really like to hike alone yeah and for like long spans of time um and so the thought of bringing a camera on a hike to like film that sort of video isn't appealing right to me yeah i mean more in the sense of like a video that is so different from a review yeah right yeah i mean i should just try it yeah why not i mean it's just gonna end up being a review about something talking about tech because that's what i do but yeah no i should definitely try it and i think the winter will be interesting when things like slow down like you know january february i'm like already what am I gonna what am I gonna do what am I gonna talk about what am I gonna make are you a big analytics person the studio app is definitely my most visited app yeah you're in there I'm in there okay do I love it no but yeah are you yeah yeah I'm a well yeah I'm a big math numbers person yeah and that like part of that previous conversation it was like when When subscribers are a vanity metric, they're also really good for a quick sample size for trying an idea.

47:46Yeah. So if you try something new, you just have a whole bunch of people waiting to watch whatever you put out, and that's great. And then some fraction of them will be like, I hate this, and leave, and that'll be very informative to the algorithm for who they should serve it to later, which is cool. But there's all sorts of other really interesting analytics in general. What's your favorite? What's my favorite analytic? Yeah. Oh, no one's ever asked me that one. What? What's your favorite analytic? What's my favorite analytic? My favorite analytic right now - This is such a Marquez question. It changes over the years because there are certain things that obviously YouTube has shown to be a priority, like average view duration is very important sometimes, click-through rate, that sort of stuff is obvious.

48:25But I think right now, my favorite is percentage of viewers on a video that are subscribed versus not subscribed. Yeah. Because that's a good signal for, not channel growth, but just video reach. Yeah. and whether or not people are actually sharing, watching the video outside of the normal circles. Like, did this video hit with just your audience or people other than the people who always watch you? I think that might be my favorite metric to keep an eye on. Do you have numbers that you like to see there? So I typically see like 70-30 as subscribed, and I want to see more that are not subscribed.

49:01You have a lot of subscribers. That's the thing. That's true. Which is like, it's very helpful to have a lot of subscribers, and you might find the thing about having a lot of subscribers is many, many of them are not active recently. Yeah. So there are people who might not typically watch videos for like years and then they get resurfaced in the algorithm. And they're like, I didn't even know I was subscribed to this channel. That happens too. Yep. What is your male, female percent viewership? Oh, God. Do you know it? Yeah, I do. And I really, it's rough. So this is the thing about tech, which is I've never seen, I've seen one tech channel get to the double digit female percent viewership.

49:41And is yours double digits? No. Okay. So I, I don't know if there is a way to actively influence this number because I want to see more women in tech and I want more women in STEM and engineering. And I went to an engineering school where they were super proud of getting the ratio from like 30 to 50%. That's amazing. Yeah. there's a constant thing that people are thinking about yeah and i don't know if there's an answer but like is there a way to target or make videos more appealing to certain audiences or is that even something you think about i think about it a lot i'll i mean the funny thing about like my analytics right now is that i just started so they're really wonky because like the why i left the verge video hit you know a unique audience that maybe isn't my audience right um so everything is kind of in a weird place but like it's like two percent female maybe even like one percent wow really yeah yeah um and i also just want to say that uh you know a split like male female gender binary is a little uh not true to the entire population but but yeah it is it's like i i don't know how to reach that audience yeah see i do i notice the number fluctuate between videos so yes the average for my channel might be nine percent or so female really good 91.9 and i think that's pretty good among tech channels and among large channels because then you start to see like youtube in general skews male or tech in general skews male but i might notice on certain videos it'll be like 96.4 yeah and on another video it'll be like 90.10 i'd be like oh what happened here yeah uh i have never been able to pinpoint any other variable whether it's the type of video or is it a device or an unboxing like it's never consistent and i think is it youtube yeah who knows is it just that day what people are doing online yeah it is sometimes that day yeah sometimes one time i got randomly 98 female 5 000 views in one day in one day and i think it just all came from like a certain that sounds like an embed yeah yeah yeah like traffic from somewhere that has a female demographic yeah yeah yeah that'll happen but the The overall of that video is 2 % female.

51:55So clearly something happened. Yeah. There was a glitch in the matrix. That was not it. I think Jonathan Morrison is the only tech YouTuber I've seen with a double-digit female. David Kogan, 23%. Whoa. I need to talk to that guy. I got to talk to that guy. He has really good hair. Does he ever... I'll talk to him later. Yeah. Because you never know. That's the hair. I thought I had pretty good hair. You do. I thought I had good hair. Actually, you guys both have good hair. So you know what? You see the numbers. That wasn't correct. That's funny, though. But it's tough. That one actually hurts me.

52:28That's just a personal mission, really. I think his is exploring different parts of New York City, but with a device. So I think people, you get a little bit out of the tech niche that way, because in a way, it's exploring a new area, and the devices brings in the tech people. Yeah, that is a thing about being in the tech world, if you're making a tech video, this is something I've said before, it's no longer just a tech video. You have to find some angle to make it worth watching to people is what I've found. Yeah. So back in 2009, it was enough to just be one of the iPhone videos. Yep. Now it's, okay, there's a thousand iPhone videos, but this is the iPhone camera video or this is the iPhone battery test video.

53:14It's a specific reason to watch it. Now in 2024, you have to be like, this is the, why you shouldn't buy the iPhone video or they have to be like even more specific to get people to actually watch it. And I think that's where you find like all these super niches of like people diving really deep into something that hasn't quite been taken or covered yet. Yeah. Using the studio quality mics on the iPhone 16 Pro for music production. You might find a really intense audience for that. I'd watch that. Super into that. So I think that's, you know, your numbers will fluctuate in all kinds of stuff, especially as you start exploring like different styles and things like that but yeah yeah you'll i think there'll be a lot of a lot of successes you'll find yeah well and that's like like i was saying though the channel is so new that like i can't really trust any metrics at this time because i'm still like really rapidly growing and changing and yeah but but i think finding the angle is actually the fun part like for me when i get a product in i just get using it for like a week or two weeks or as long as i can really and then it starts to tell me something and that's like the fun part you know okay so you watch a lot of youtube and i i wonder if you're if you're thinking about making a review for a device will you actively watch other videos about the same thing before you make yours yeah i'm a big like i like to watch everybody's coverage it feels like research to me yes it is research there's a part of me that's like i can't i need to remember what my original opinions are before i go into this so that i don't find that i'm being skewed 100 yeah because i know that But there is a niche of YouTube, which is let me evaluate everyone else's opinions and then take the other opinions so that I stand out.

54:48That's a thing that people will do. Of course. I'm cautious of like, am I watching one of those videos right now or is this actually something that I find valid? But yeah, it's just like a, I have to think about that as I'm watching videos about other things that I'm going to make a video about. 100%. Hard to not have your opinion swayed about very small things and then you just don't notice it happening. yeah i definitely like way back when i was reviewing android phones like full-time just complete i just did not engage in any i used to be that yeah yeah because i was just scared like i think there was a like a review that i made where i was like did i get my entire opinion from dieter like am i just copying his video and so i just like i'm cutting myself off i can't do this yeah yeah i i agree with that i think i i'm lucky in the way that you won't hear a lot of specs in my videos and it's very much like personal lived experience which can only be mine um but you're right there comes a point where you have to cut yourself off yeah yeah because there's so much of it too yeah so much coverage so much what you said earlier about having a hobby that you specifically have like outside of cameras and tech and internet stuff i think is super valuable and important yeah and i'm curious if you ever use parts of that to then bring back in i'll give you example i play a sport and no way which one yeah ultimate frisbee it's a weird sport a lot of people have heard of it no i've never heard of it perfect but that's good because it lives it lives in this separate bubble in my brain that is like it's like a like a flipped switch i don't want to bring tech or cameras or anything around it is sort of precious in that way yep but also as a result it's a team sport and i feel like that moment where the teammate asks like oh i saw there was like an event today about the new phone what what is there and the moment where i have to formulate two sentences about what they should care about yeah and they react to that that actually instructs me a lot about the way regular people outside of the tech world are thinking about things yes yes do you have that connection to like quote normies is what you call them i mean all of my friends perfect are normies oh that's great yeah but most importantly my partner hannah who i think will be making her way into more of my videos is like anti-tech like really that's the niche that's not covered yet yeah yeah it's people who don't care about tech being handed brand new tech yeah someone's got to make that yeah well the problem is she just craps on it and i'm like no that's great that's what happens usually it's good but i'm like okay can you find something to say other than this sucks yeah but her big thing that i love and i find very funny is she has a real like disdain for ai anything made with ai ai in the title she's like it's cursed um and so i really like mid-journey like just for fun i prompt a lot um and anything that's been prompted is cursed and there was one thing that came up and i was that would be a really cool tattoo.

57:52And she's like, if you get that tattooed on your body, you're cursed. We'll take another quick break. We'll be back with more with Becca.

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59:20Whether you prefer talking in person, on the phone, or using the award-winning app, it's nice knowing you have help finding coverage that best fits your needs. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. All right, let's chat more YouTube with Becca. And so she really keeps me, like, grounded, and it's very fun and funny. But yeah, for you, it's your Frisbee team. Yeah. And it kind of it it bleeds into the way I think about the audience for the videos, which is like, OK, this is a big channel. It's a lot of more mainstream, you could say, like people thinking about tech. Yeah. So I can talk specs all day.

59:56I can do benchmarks all day and we can do extremely fine tuned, like really, really specific things that are new about a phone. But like the camera control button on the iPhone, for example, I found myself thinking like I could go so in depth about this. button right now you're saying this and i'm like i let's talk we could get real in the weeds about that button yes but but um 90 something percent of the people who watch this video which is people like my teammates out on on randall's island or new rochelle or wherever are not ever going to think that deeply about that button and they want the one sentence that summarizes it they really want that the elevator pitch and so there's this balance of trying to speak to both yeah and I kind of end up I landed where I thought was like maybe if this was a spectrum of how you can get into the weeds or not care I thought I landed like right here yeah like 75 percent towards not care like it's honestly it's just a shutter button for most people you're not really going to think about it too hard yeah and then I would hand the phone to someone and they're like this is actually terrible like I'm never using this as a shutter button this makes my videos blurrier this is like harder to use and they they were outside of the spectrum that I thought would exist about this buttons yeah it's good i think it's good to have both right when the ios 18 beta came out and they added the rcs stuff i started trying to get i was like we were reviewing the pixels so i was trying to get my iphone friends to update to the ios 18 beta so that i could text them on rcs on their phones and most of them like friends well you know they're the ones that bully me about being a green bubble so they can deal with it you know but anyway uh some of them updated some of them refused to because they were just being stubborn and then they updated when it actually came out because it like updated overnight or whatever yep and the things that they sent me about the things that actually excited them about the update made me realize the things that people are because the two things that i heard like five times it was the calculator now has history because a number Where my friends are like baristas.

1:02:00It's important. Or bartenders. Yeah. And they'll be like telling things up and then they forget what they just tallied up. Yeah. Now it has a history. So you can like see what you had previously typed and the results for it. They love that. Wait, it didn't have that before? No. It's literally. Yeah. It's horrible. Yeah. It was that and then the schedule send text messages I had multiple people tell me. None of them cared about theirs. which is funny because they were mad at me for the green bubbles but they didn't seem to care that it got better anyway um it's because it was just a color yeah i guess to them it's just a color but yeah it's like the the simple things that were like oh yeah it's slightly updated it's like oh that is actually the thing that people really care about yeah and that kind of like reminds me and grounds me in that like people just want quality of life improvements especially at this point in technology but they're probably not going to care that the button is actually a real button that also has a force sensor when you half press emulates a real button nobody cares about that yeah how do you feel tell us how you feel about yeah i see a lot i'm sorry we have to talk about it we have to i mean by the time this comes out it's like are we gonna be like bored of talking no we gotta bring the button i'm never a board of the button yeah all right i'm always on that button it's the one thing i've seen let's be honest i'm making just wrote this like yesterday i spent hours writing and rewriting my section on this button um damn we are alike yeah we are not alike but we are like in that oh my god it still is haunting me because it's what i'm going to finish this afternoon and i'm like i thought about it all last night i've thought about it all this morning like i am locked in to this damn button um i want to like it so bad yeah i really like i love buttons i love tactile things i even like the feel of it.

1:03:53Like, I think it's like just mushy enough. Well, except when you have to do the double tap thing, because like, it's kind of a push. And the timing. Yeah. Yeah. And like the scrolling is like, wait, like I can never get it where I want it. And it's so frustrating that I'm not using it. And I hate that because I want to love it. Yeah. But I've been using it just to open the camera yeah that's it and then i use the fucking scene yes same same yeah yeah it is the double tap like on android the double tap it's just that yeah which i'm happy to have uh-huh um but yeah i'm just i'm sad the button makes me sad is what i've i think they over complicated it yes yeah because i think that regular people and me everybody yeah really doesn't want to have to deal with the half press thing all the time like no theoretically don't have to this is why i landed on like it's just a shutter button trust me just use it to take a picture that's like yeah 100 but yeah yeah they tried to do too much yeah i did a lot i think that they thought i agree sorry you go ahead no i i so i'm there i found a setting the other day of like how to preserve the memory of the of the tone switch so if you change camera uh what is it called the photographic styles if change settings then it will preserve the memory of it and so now i always have tone at minus 0.5 and that's great and but it doesn't like map to anything now so i don't use it anymore i just take the shutter and that's it yeah so it's fine it's very capable and it can do a lot of things i just don't use that yeah which is true about a lot of tech there's a lot of things that you don't realize how capable it is and it's designed for someone who will use that a lot you would think it's for us like people who are really into camera stuff but yeah i'm just not using it it takes just so much longer that changed the settings.

1:05:36It's like doing the freaking Sega hack keyboard presses thing. You know why? It doesn't do anything that you can't do with the screen. I know. And the screen's great. We got rid of the physical keyboard because you can do it on the screen. And now we added another thing that you can do on the screen. Get rid of all the buttons. I say get rid of every single button. That's what we thought they were going to do. Get rid of all the ports, all the speakers, all the buttons. This is just turning into a regular form. Just make it a smooth rock on the screen. Just make it a square. I'll use the Pebble phone.

1:06:10No. I do like the buttons. I just think that the force haptic thing is too much. I think they literally could have done a single button. Yeah, but they couldn't. Yeah, but they could have done like, if you hold its video, if you double tap it, it does one thing. If you triple tap it, it does another. I feel like that's a thing people know. Yeah. They could put it at the bottom of the phone and make it a circle with like a little square in the middle Mmm, I mean I could go home if you press it Yeah, that's a great idea. You hold it to get a serious make that happen Wait while we're talking about going backwards There's a great segue.

1:06:48Yeah, I I did a retro tech series where I like Revealed to the world that I don't have any feelings of nostalgia for any tech, but I might as well check it out anyway Yeah, that was really yeah, yeah loved it but I was born in just the right time and I was raised in just a strict enough way where like Sega Genesis means nothing to me that makes you unique maybe a little do you have any old tech nostalgia feelings? are you a record collector? do you like using wired headphones over wired? is there some line that you draw on the sand with new tech? yeah well I was listening to the last special episode of this podcast and I was thinking about like what our ordinary objects yeah what ordinary object do i love which i guess that doesn't really relate to that but maybe no that could be uh wait i have to think for a second i really have to think about this i do have records um which i i really enjoy putting on because i enjoy the experience of an album i love i love when an artist tailors an album to be listened to top to bottom and like i just love that i love going on the journey um i have a lot of old cameras as you can imagine do you shoot with them for fun and like make things with them i do um yeah i'll like bring them on vacation or just like go out with them for a day and then they usually break at some point i don't know how you do this that's crazy what actually use them or break them i'm a little reckless with my things because they're tools to me yeah and they break and then i'm sad for a day and then I just go to the next old camera and you know at some point I'll have the money and like know the person to fix them and I'm looking forward to that day.

1:08:29They're all in the Midwest. I know Minnesota and yeah there's always one person. Yeah it's Bob. In the whole US. It's Bob. Yeah and his website hasn't changed since like 2002. Yeah. I love him. I can't wait to send him my money and my camera but for now. So yeah he has a lot of old cameras that's that's kind of i drive a really old car yeah do you have a so do you have an everyday object that you think would be would qualify as not tech yeah it's a lot of pressure i thought about this a lot question for all of us and this is gonna sound weird i'm ready where'd you land i the extra soft toothbrushes they're new valid they did not exist a couple years ago extra soft extra extra soft They're literally like, it almost feels like you're brushing your teeth with a cotton ball.

1:09:20But I have, but it works. I think it's good. I mean, my dentist says it's working. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Like, doesn't it need to be bristly? It has bristles, but I also have receding gums. Now you know a little bit more about me. Oh, wow. And so I have no other choice but to use a really soft brush. Okay. And I love it. That qualifies. It keeps my teeth clean, my dentist says. That's a win. No tech. Yeah. do the cotton balls get in no electronic they're not actually kind of metaphorical cotton balls uh i think so i'm a big flosser i'm also a big like i have like a whole mechanism that is like is it the water pick thing it's like a water pick but it has individual jets what every oh that's no way that's like a medieval device no this is high tech this is high tech this is high tech I had to go get my mouth like 3D scanned, you know?

1:10:13Yeah, I actually, this company, I met them at CES and they were like, we'll send it to you. And I was like, uh, and it's kind of expensive. So I feel bad sometimes when people send me stuff, but I like, I'm like, how am I gonna make a video about this? And I actually love it. Um, yeah, it really, my mouth feels pretty. Do you use it every day? Yeah, I use it every day. Wow. Yeah. And you like fill up a tank. Is it fast? Yeah. It's like five seconds and it shoots like a crap ton of water. David's going to buy this immediately. These are the questions. And he's like, and where can I get one? And how much is it?

1:10:42Yeah. Yeah, I think they're like 800 bucks. If I can take care of myself and it takes less than like 10 seconds, I'm all in. Yeah. And if you have counter space and it looks nice. Really? Yeah. And the packaging's nice. Like they really nailed it. Products in this video. You have a real like tech and not tech combined in that exact place in your life. Medieval mouth jets. Yeah. Medieval mouth jets. Cotton swabs. It's perfect. We got the name of this episode. Medieval Mabish. Yeah. I don't know. Is there like personal tech that you guys use that you love? That's like not in videos? Yeah, that like you probably wouldn't make a video about.

1:11:21Oh, there's tons of it. Wouldn't? Yeah. Yeah. Like this thing is going to be, I do want to tell people about this because I genuinely love it, but I'm like, God, I'm going to have to show people me putting this medieval thing into my mouth. And just go so fast. Yeah. I probably would. Yeah. So is there anything like that for you? that you wouldn't make a video about yeah maybe you wouldn't um or you would have to i use a regular analog toothbrush i use an analog toothbrush as well late stage i believe the term is acoustic i am fully acoustic uh with the toothbrush uh no i don't i don't think i think the thing about tech is like i i keep it pretty minimal at home i did just install for no good reason i needed a project i installed the new nest thermostats at my house you did yeah i bought them i got them all installed and i fully broke my furnaces and then i got called an electrician and i was like i installed them it was working and then an hour later they both said they're not getting power and i need help and they i turns out i had this problem last time i installed the original nest thermostats from the original thermostats in the house which is uh it trips when you like hit the breaker switch this is way too much information no i love i love this when you hit the breaker switch to turn them off which is what they say you're supposed to do when you're like doing the rewiring and you turn it back on you also have to go to the furnace and open it and find a reset switch and hit that and then it turns back on before it gets power again so i had done all the turning off breaker switch things i turned them all back on and then it said it was getting power but the furnace wasn't on so it didn't like see the furnace yep and then i had to like call the electrician he's like he literally was like i'm sorry it's not actually broken i just had to reset it and you're good i was like sorry i'm an idiot i appreciate you yeah and i i paid him because it was a sunday but yeah that is that is what i did at home is uh i got a little bit of tech i'm pretty minimal with the tech so i got i got a that was a big deal for me having the thermostats yeah i'm actually pretty minimal even though i just described this crazy machine that i use every night um yeah same same keep it clean um but he must get that problem a lot I don't know.

1:13:33He seemed like apologetic that he didn't have anything to fix. Like he was ready to fix something. And then he was just like, you literally just hit this button. But would you not make a video on the Nest thermostats? Because you made a video on the solar roof. I made a video on the solar roof because that was a massive investment that has this payback period and this dilemma that a lot of people are in. And I had been on solar roof YouTube for long enough that I was like, I should contribute my information that I've gathered from having this. And I think there's enough. Giving back to the community.

1:13:59Yeah, the new Nest thermostats, they don't actually do anything better than the previous gen other than fully being integrated in the Google Home app instead of Nest. Because the old ones are like half in the Nest app and half in the Google Home app. And it's just so tiring. But these have some stuff. But yeah, they have the like, they'll only heat your home a certain amount if they know it's going to be hotter outside. Did the old one not do that? I don't think so. I mean, I don't use any of the new features other than like Home and Away on my phone. I had that already. it's literally just like can I set the schedule and just delete the nest app from my phone and I can actually finally delete the nest app from my phone so that's why I did it yeah the home stuff is hard because you're gonna have it for a long time yep and people are gonna change companies are gonna change hands like yeah I'm gonna watch all the reviews before I buy the next thing yeah it's so hard thinking of like a thing that you like that you wouldn't make a video about because like if I like a thing I want to tell people about it the only thing I can think of right now is I have this like I have this like careful you're going to make a video about it I have this like emulator Game Boy Advance SP that has micro SD card slots and HDMI out and USB-C with no games on it right legally no games on it yeah it's thicker it has yeah it's great the screen is amazing the battery life's pretty good the only problem is that the usb port is not officially usb certified so you have to use a five watt brick because otherwise it explodes um it's a problem but it's like the best thing i've used in a really long time it's just that i'm not like a gaming person like i i really enjoy if i have if i'm like sitting at the doctor's office like playing some zelda yep right that's been amazing and it's better than it's better than like swipe uh just like doom scrolling right yeah but i'm not so much of a gaming person that i feel qualified or excited enough to like make a video about it well in the gaming space is unique too because it often feels like if you're not good you're just gonna get crapped on.

1:16:11Yeah. Yeah. Like I love Fortnite. I love Fortnite. Oh, I'm really bad. If you could control YouTube Rewind, what would you do? Oh my God.

1:16:25Thoughts? We don't have to go there. No, don't do that. No, but that's, that's interesting. I am pretty bad at most of the video games I play. Yeah. Are you a Forza player? Do I, I remember you playing that in a video. I'll mess around with some Forza, or some Gran Turismo or like any or dirt driving games are fun for me yeah and then I'll play sports games oh okay I'll play 2k I'll play there's a golf 2k game there's the NBA 2k game I'll play those yeah and I'm not that good if I ever go online I get murked I'm not anywhere near as good as those people yeah it's fun yeah you know I don't like stream or anything I think people are like really entertaining humans or they're really good at the game and if they can do one of those things they'll they'll get an audience true I would be horrible at it because I'm not entertaining live and I'm bad at the game.

1:17:11Oh, well. Hey, man, people have been asking for Waveform Live for a very long time. Yeah, I think they are just nice. They're just asking because they're nice and then they get it and they're like, oh, this is very boring. Yeah. Yeah, we were considering doing a live podcast at some point and they were like, but what about all the things we cut? Who was considering it? Some of us. We were thinking about doing like a live event. Like an event? Like a live event. Oh, yeah, yeah. So we could still do it, but the amount of things that we normally cut that would just be out there. I can be careful.

1:17:41But I also what is the reason you're cutting them? Because if it's for time, people who are at a live event will sit for a long time. We have a whole folder of things that I'll send you separately. Yeah, we just need to go way off the deep end. Blurt things out. Sometimes we say things that we didn't mean to be weird and then it's weird. Sometimes David says things. maybe 80 % but there's some other it's never intentional we don't want people to take things the wrong way 100 % you gotta control the image sparkly you could just lock everyone's phones up I like the shows that do that it makes a better environment it does lightning round I have a lightning round for you exactly This is a couple quick questions.

1:18:36I'll give you up to 10 seconds with each one. So it's like a truly like whatever you're feeling. Okay. I already asked one of them, which is 24 or 30. So we'll just knock that one to the side. Yeah. All right. Wired or wireless headphones? Wireless. Wireless. Okay. What phone is in your pocket right now? I don't have one in my pocket right now. Really? Well, I do normally. Okay. Wait, let me take it back. What phone do you have? Right now I'm reviewing the iPhone 16 Pro. Okay. That's in my pocket. but also the pixel 9 pro is still in my pocket so good i really love it i'm i think i'm going back i picked it up again last week um and it's just it feels higher it feels more premium than the iphone which is wild i is my take it is yeah so by the time this comes out that'll probably be in my pocket but i unfortunately have the xl version and uh it's a big phone the small one Yeah, the small one.

1:19:28Best Android phone camera you've used? Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, my God, I'm freaking out. Whoa. Okay, I want to say it's got to be like one of like the... Xiaomi 12. Yep, it's got to be like a Xiaomi something or other, which is why I'm excited to hopefully be able to review some stuff from them, even though it doesn't come to the US. It's amazing. It's unreal. It's an RX100. That's what it reminds me of. The look, the feel. They're really doing stuff. I was very impressed by the... They have some crazy camera bumps, but I remember the Xiaomi 11 Ultra and then the Xiaomi 14 Ultra. Crazy, crazy phones.

1:20:15They have stuff that is... If you're a photographer and video person, you really respect it, but then we do our blind camera test and everyone doesn't vote for it. Yeah. That's fair. It's for the art people out there. Yeah, but sometimes like a phone's camera is really about like how it makes me feel. Yeah. Like the final image is going to look pretty much like everything else or you can make it look like everything else. So it's like, how does it feel in my hand? That's big for me. It's funny. Like put that on a shirt and frame that. That's it's facts. I'm trying. It's just facts. Most overrated camera.

1:20:46Mm. Oh, man. It not just on a phone. Any camera. Any camera. Yeah. Oh, I know what she's going to say. You can say it. This is a safe space. You can say it. I don't know. This doesn't feel safe all of a sudden. Do it. I actually, I just want to say I haven't tested every last camera in this earth. What? I know. I'm trying. I'm trying, but they keep coming out with more. I think the most overrated, though.

1:21:19I just think reds are really expensive. oh that's funny what i thought you were gonna say dang we can go there no they are they are over they're so overpriced they're really expensive dramatically overpriced and i think if you're in the ecosystem and you've used them forever they're amazing but if you're gonna enter that ecosystem i think they're kind of like a steep thing to like learn it's expensive to buy the the files are insane um dude a normal video for me is a terabyte uh i will say i have no words my favorite comment online is of course the videos look good they're shot on red no that means nothing yeah there is so much other work that goes into making a video look good yeah and and i have seen videos that look great that aren't shot on 5d mark fours i've seen bad lighting shot on red yes all the lighting 100 but but that being said i also just don't think i've spent enough time with reds so yeah so there it is becca said nikons are overrated oh come on here we go um hoagie hero or sub oh man i want to i want to go hoagie but i've never been like hi can i have a hoagie right yeah it just sounds right right i just say sub i feel like yeah i say sub too yeah i just say like i usually get things on a roll so true i'm a roll person folding phone or flipping phone folding folding no no no sorry flipping flipping yeah small babes yeah uh hamburger hamburger wait yeah they're both hot dogs oh you're saying that the like aspect ratio is the bread Yeah, it's the bread.

1:23:04The aspect ratio of the bread. Got it. Yeah. Okay. But I still like, you said flipping and folding. I still have to like think. Oh, yeah. I still have to like consciously be like, wait, which one is it? I guess Samsung kind of Z-flip. Gave us full flip. They did. Yeah. And thank God. But when the tri-fold comes out. What do we call it? Tri-fold? It's an accordion. Oh. And it will be the best thing that's ever been created. You think so? I think so. Really? I'll have it soon. Watching videos in elite 16 by 9-esque aspect ratio instead of having a square that crops giant amounts. Yeah, I need to see the creases.

1:23:43I just think that the folding phones right now, while I like that they're generally normal-ish size, when you open them, it's like, what am I going to do with one by one? Like, Google Maps is not that much more. Email and scroll Twitter at the same time, obviously. I'm not that good at multitasking. Yeah, it's not about one by one, you know? It's about two by one. Yeah. Exactly. Okay. Winning an Emmy, overrated or underrated? Oh my God. Underrated, the best, so fun, amazing. I want everybody to have the night that I had when I won an Emmy. Yeah, it was the coolest, most wonderful thing. And it's not even about having the trophy.

1:24:19It's just about having a dedicated day to celebrate with the people you love, something that you've made. And I just wish that we could all figure out a way to do that more for ourselves. it was amazing we can have a pizza party if we ever yes yes i can commit to that right now can it be today in like an hour keyboard shortcuts or mouse uh shortcuts keyboard shortcuts are you like all fully like mostly keyboard shortcuts editing no i'm a 50 50 so that's like a tough one but um but i love my keyboard shortcuts and like even if i'm working on someone else's laptop I'll go through and remap the entire keyboard for me before I start working.

1:24:59Oh, okay. Yeah. That's enough to, yeah. I'm tied. I have a slightly psycho setup and I know that it's a psycho setup, but it's my psycho setup. Then it's not psycho. Lay it on me. It just works for me, which is mouse on the right, keyboard in the middle, trackpad on the left. Trackpad is only for side scrolling the timeline, nothing else. Yeah. I have that ability with the wheel on the mouse. I never use it. It's side scrolling and then I, everything else is keyboard shortcuts and mouse and then moving. And zooming, right? I command plus and minus to zoom as well. You have the trackpad. So I'm just two finger.

1:25:29Because the trackpad, I have to have my cursor over the timeline to do the pinch zoom. So if my cursor is anywhere else and I pinch, it won't work. But as long as my playhead and active area in the editor is on the timeline, I can command plus anywhere and then move the mouse. Good to know. So I can just throw the mouse around, command plus, and move in and do stuff on the keyboard and then scroll. That is actually a little psycho. I might be converted over. Even the motions you're making right now, your hands are dancing. I'm here, yeah. Marquez also edits like this. Not all the time. Sometimes.

1:26:04Wait, how are your knees? Well, because we have standing... I have a sit-stand desk. Yeah, it's not all the time, but it's just funny when I look over and his desk is still raised, but he's sitting in his chair and he just is working like this. My legs are tired. I don't want to commit to sitting. It's funny, but... I have a... What percentage do you stand?

1:26:24that's a good question 60 okay i think so it's worth it i don't know see i think it's like 60 probably 60 and then that 40 of the time you're sitting but your desk is still right no that's like five okay and then i'll sit and like bring it all but that's why i've like i'm tired i'm committing to sitting down now i like lower the desk and sit down but sometimes let me just get like a two second break and i'll just like sit down and then stand back up yeah yeah it's five It's not weird. It's 100 % of the time, but it's 100 % of the pictures that I take. It's fair. That's beautiful. Sound design in YouTube videos.

1:26:57Yeah. Over or underrated? I think people overdo it. Yeah. But it's underrated. That's a really good answer. So good. Who's overdoing it? No names today. No, dude. This is such a thing because there was a period of time where people started actually caring about the sound design. And it was what differentiated the good YouTube videos. Yes. And then people overcorrected, including myself. Yeah. Like, I put way too many whooshes in my videos. It's easy to go hard. Yeah. Yeah, and then it's hard to scale it back because you stop hearing it, really, like you're editing it. Yeah. If something swooshes into the screen, why can't I also hear it swoosh into the screen?

1:27:33I'm tempted to add something every time something happens. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I've been there. Yeah, I stay away from swooshes because I just feel like they're so hard to get right. And when you get them right, they're great. And when you get them wrong, it's really bad. I use, I like slow them down to 25%. So it's like, yeah. Can you clip that out for me? I'll use it. Yeah, just clip. That's a good.

1:27:59Last question. How fast can you type the alphabet? Not that fast. Should we do it? Like how fast exactly to the second, like A through Z? Am I supposed to know this? Oh, you don't have a number off the top of your head? Oh, perfect. We didn't give her the pre-sheet. she was supposed to come in with this time well instead we can just time it like now like live so what we're going to have you do is if you could start a screen recording for us and go to typethelphabet.app also we have a mechanical keyboard or an apple chiclet keyboard or do you want to use your laptop keyboard whichever one you want to do do you have a magic keyboard?

1:28:38we do type the alphabet.app typethelphabet.app dot app the way your eyes lit up at the magic keyboard i can tell this is going to be fast let's go no i'm not that fast i'm really i'm only competitive with things that i'm actually good at so yeah i'm only about if i have a chance that i could win you could find out that you're good at this right now um we give everybody three choices or sorry three chances and are you on the site right now yes but let me start screen recording and let me put it into a different window let me Let me get this nice. I'm nervous. I'm getting nervous. That's good. That's like peak heart rate.

1:29:18Your heart rate should be up a little bit. You know, have the blood flowing through your hands. That's like good typing speed stuff. Oh, God. I barely beat Brandon. I recently learned what the fastest animal's heart rates are in the animal kingdom and the slowest. Hummingbird. Hummingbird is one of the fastest. Do you know how many beats per minute a hummingbird heart? 220. That's their resting heart rate. What? Yeah. When they're active and they're flying around, try 1 ,250. That's crazy. Wait, now ask me the slowest. Turtle. Blue whale. Oh, that makes sense. Now, turtles, so hibernating reptiles, I didn't count because they'll be like once every 10 minutes, which is just not fair.

1:29:58Once every 10 minutes? You didn't count it, which means that you had rules in your head while you were going over this? But active, just living their life, blue whale, 2 BPM. every 30 seconds and their hearts the size of this table which is kind of doom yeah i thought it was bigger the sofa was how they referenced it but i would say like yeah like seven feet okay anyway are you all set up yeah i'm nervous i'm scared the only rules are yeah if you want to give it a test run sample run as you're typing if you miss a letter it will not continue until you hit that letter so if you go a b d e f g blah blah blah if you never hit c the timer keeps running you have to hit every letter see why this is bad for me is that i'm very dyslexic so you know and i know i should know the alphabet um but i feel like i'm gonna be like it's one of those niche skills where like maybe you're good at it maybe you're not doesn't really matter to real life the other tip don't hit enter at the end because that reset oh so that is a good tip because naturally exactly lock it in a through z and it gets locked in and you get three shots at your at your leisure i might mic up your keyboard right now yeah so fast so slow okay i'm scared okay so when i start it starts yep okay someone count me down three two one

1:31:27okay okay 10 how did you feel about that i just sang the song oh yeah but that was your first try you get two more tries okay i might get faster i feel like this was really slow people tend to get faster and they're always surprised by where they are on the leaderboard so i'll let you go two more times okay am i gonna be surprised because i'm uh do i have to how do i oh reset yeah reset oh hit enter yeah all right here we go three two one

1:31:59I feel like you need to make that slightly louder

1:32:06okay that's about the same one more yeah let me do one more what was that uh it was 10.319 okay yeah I feel like this is slow maybe I should try my other keyboard oh my god let me just mix it up I got the same results twice And you know choose enough for me to be like, let me try something else. All right Okay, here we go. Three two one

1:32:40oh no oh no oh no yeah it's it actually it tells you which letters you took the longest on somebody who ever built this website was very specific about it do you recall your fastest time i love this i think it was like 10.13 or something like that i can look i can look because i can stop the recording oh true either way it doesn't actually change your position on the leaderboard oh no am i last i wouldn't put it that way i'd say you were uh you did take the longest time but you were right behind brandon and david blaine yeah oh okay so yeah david blaine noted fast typist. 8.8 seconds. A through Z.

1:33:27And Brandon had a 9.44. Who was the fastest? So the fastest was we have our top three. Tom Scott stepped up here and said I will win this. And he did. And he had 3.55 seconds. Oh my god. Shocking us all. No one's ever been even close. Cleo Abram got 4.2 and Quinn of Snazzy Labs got 4.4. no one's gone under four seconds other than tom scott wow i've never taken pride in my typing speed okay i literally did it for fun and i got 3.8 that's weird okay but i have like that's insulting that is so mean yeah i shouldn't i just failed and that's what you're gonna say to i didn't even realize wow i didn't even realize i'm so good at this here's the thing i feel like typing the alphabet is so much harder than like one of the than type racer where you're typing words yes like yeah like words per minute people who just type in home row and just like andrew types some absurd like a hundred words per minute or something like that yeah and on this but on this 5.24 somewhere in the middle yeah i also was looking at my keyboard and i wonder if looking at the letters would have been better yeah i don't know where i'm looking i guess i'm looking at the letters i think i'm looking at the screen either way you just learn something new about yourself I knew that next time someone asks how fast you type the alphabet you'll have an answer maybe I'll give it a go I'm gonna practice next time I see you if we can bring you back and have you smash your old score that would be incredible I mean I'd hope I smash it so low that you know only up from here actually that's where I like to start things so I feel good set the bar and then just keep leapfrogging it put it on the floor bury it underground and then you'll always get over it to the top easy beckett thanks for joining us on the pod we appreciate you you're welcome back anytime and of course we'll be uh we'll be watching if people want to find you online obviously your youtube channel where can people find you uh i would say i'm a big youtube first and foremost uh instagram next my stories is just a little look into my life i'm launching patreon that'll be launched by the time this comes out so So you can join me on Patreon.

1:35:41We're going to do a lot more behind the scenes, kind of, you know, how everything gets made there. Yeah, that's my main spot. Instagram, Patreon, YouTube. Awesome. Becca Versace. Links below. It's like Versace, but far away. Far-Sace. Versace. Oh, nice. How many times have you had to say that? Endless. That's great. I need a cool way to explain, pronounce, like spelling my name. And it's nowhere near as cool as, it's like Versace, but far away. That's a bar. What is Versace? Versace. Yeah. Marquez, take us out. It's a brand. Waveform is produced by Adam and Ellis, and we are part of the Vox Media Podcast Network, and our intro-outro music is by Bainsill.

1:36:20Bingo! Let's go!