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40:48Yeah. And how much more content is being watched on TV since they're doing all the special features for TVs and having channel banners designed for TVs, stuff like that. And even this podcast is viewed, I think, by 20 % TV viewers, which is pretty high. I think that could be a channel closer to 10%. So long content, longer videos, people are watching on TVs. And so YouTube is sort of positioning themselves as like bursting into the tv watch space so if i'm netflix i'm like that's our zone yo that's that's us like what are people oh oh it's podcasts all right let's get some podcasts on here and they're just gonna try it and i don't know it'll probably go okay and they'll see if it works and maybe add some more if it works or stop doing it if it doesn't work but it's kind of how it looks to me it's ironic because it's spotify video podcast which already have a video element on spotify yeah which is weird by the way i got sent a podcast on spotify which i did not like because i don't like mixing my podcasts and my music.

41:45I don't like that the algorithm does not know the difference for me. And I was kind of taken aback to see that it started playing a video in Spotify. They have that now. They keep begging us to do it. Yeah, you've never seen it? People beg us to do it. I've never watched one. Got it. But I started watching one and I was like, oh yeah, this is fine, I guess. But it's a partnership between Spotify and Netflix. So, these are Spotify exclusive video podcasts that are being put on Netflix. I guess it's not Spotify exclusive them anymore but part of the contract says that they can't run the full episode on youtube specifically which is similar to like the when spotify first got joe rogan you can only do clips on youtube yeah you couldn't do it so like this just feels like another reason to prove why we're still not putting stuff on spotify because just the stuff i mean they didn't offer us this deal there's only 16 it's only 16 and i believe all i'm double checking this now i believe all 16 are owned by Spotify.

42:39Yeah, Spotify Studios. Spotify Studios. So this is just their content acquisition plan. Like they couldn't go to YouTube and steal podcasts from there and put it on Netflix. So this is the thing that they found that they could acquire to see if it works. To be fair, they could go on YouTube and steal podcasts and then train their AI models on it. They just couldn't, you know, make AI podcasts. Who do you think this benefits more? Netflix or Spotify? I don't think this. I don't think it benefits either. It's TBD for Netflix because we don't know if Netflix users will respond positively or negatively to it, I guess.

43:11I think that Spotify is already set up to develop podcasts. They've been investing in making original podcasts for a very long time. So it's easy for them to sort of throw these things together. Netflix makes a lot of original content, but it's all TV. They don't have the infrastructure as much to just like develop original podcasts. But for Spotify, Netflix is the infrastructure of being able to play a podcast on your TV because Spotify doesn't have a way of doing that. So Spotify doesn't want to put it on YouTube because that's a competitor for video stuff. So this is just like more distribution for them.

43:43Yeah. I don't know. This feels like when Mixer was like, let's get Shroud and Ninja over here and like just get these huge podcasts and you'll definitely want to come over and watch it. And then nobody watched any of it and they just made a bag. So it sounds like 16 video podcasts are making a bag. Like Netflix is realizing that they started, you know, with all the videos that they were making and then they started making original content. And that was like their big sellers that they had all these good shows. and then slowly all these other streaming platforms popped up and a lot of these other streaming platforms were owned by the tv networks and the cable networks and so they had sort of existing content that was more like tv content that was not as high quality so netflix was like oh well we're getting our lunch eaten by that they made lower quality content or at least i don't want to say quality but at least like easier to produce production costs because people yeah people don't always want to be like only watching tv shows sometimes they want to be using lower cognitive load you know background noise are you saying love island is lower cognitive load yes i am adam it's more of like the cube and like the what is the what are those shows the the cut or something the cut guys we have done 317 episodes of us sitting at this table i don't know if we're the ones to talk about lower cognitive load yeah well anyway i don't know youtube is the biggest streaming platform in the world so netflix is just realizing we have to have feature parody with the biggest streaming platform in the world yeah on YouTube, users generate the content.

45:07On Netflix, oh God, how do we get the content? Here it is. That reminds me real quick, side note, one of my friends was like, oh, I just got a new job. And I said, what is it? And she's like, oh, I'm making user-generated content. And I was like, isn't that just - You're a user. Content? You're just making content as a user? Isn't that - Oh, I'm making videos for the company. And I was like, why did they call it user-generated content? Isn't that just you're a content producer for the company? Isn't that the opposite of user-generated content? Yeah, that's - I would assume the company wants the users to think it's user-generated content.

45:41That's way more nefarious. Well, don't they all do that? Have you not seen the weird... Like on threads. Or have you not seen the most recent Samsung campaign that's a bunch of fake podcast clips that's just one guy being like, I just switched from iPhone to Samsung, and it's so much easier than I ever would have thought. And that's user-generated content? Well, it's not always super clear that it's not a real podcast. It's like a vertical podcast clip. Yeah. Ellis, you just set me up for the greatest segue ever. Because speaking of Samsung. Nice. Thank you. They have a new event coming up next week, the October 21st.

46:20They're going to detail more information about the Project Muhan Android XR headset. We made a video about this in January. It is now mid to late October. Yeah. What is this more information? Just a release date, I guess? I suppose price release date. Google, I'm sure, is very excited about this. But it does seem like interesting timing because Apple has just announced the M5 Vision Pro. And so now they're going to release their Android XR headset. Probably running some Snapdragon something. No, it's going to have the M5. If you want a refresher on all the things that this headset will do, just look back at our video in January.

46:58We did a demo of all these Gemini features and all these Android features. It's like having an Android tablet on your face and all these gestures and eye controls and hand controls. It'll be interesting to see how they compare. Again, it's like comparing an Android phone to an iPhone is one thing, but comparing an Android headset to a Vision Pro almost doesn't make sense. Like, I don't know if anyone's cross-shopping those things. Well, and it's ironic because if Apple can't even figure out anything for you to do with their version of the headset, then how is Samsung going to – like, everyone's making the glasses now.

47:30even apple is like the rumor right now is that they they put a pause on the low cost vision pro to switch over to making glasses so now that samsung is like uber late to dropping this headset it feels like they're just that's my main very late that's my main question looking at this is like vision pro has been in the super zoomed out grand scheme of things kind of a flop yeah like sales wise it's not super successful as far as like users like there's not that many people be using it every day it's just kind of a flop it's so it's a flop yeah so samsung's coming along finally dropping their competitor to it it's like why is that are we just just to have a parody with apple's ecosystem or do you really really believe the headset is the future it reminds me of the just all the different hype cycles we've gone through like the metaverse and like all of these different hype cycles where companies will think okay we got to invest in this because this is what everyone is saying the future is.

48:29And so they dump a ton of money and research and development into it. But just like the Nintendo Switch seems like the Switch 2, Nintendo Switch 2, seems like it was made for the COVID era because the whole thing is about the camera and like putting your friends' faces and social stuff. It seems like this was developed when everyone thought, okay, Vision Pro might be the future of computing. And now everyone's like, oh, it's actually the glasses. Kind of does feel like that. No one wants to miss out on the next ship setting sail. Exactly. it's better throw some money at it yeah it's better to have a flop than it is to miss the miss the wave yeah just in case it unflops or something yeah yeah this vision this m5 vision pro is really going to take off guys it's really now that they have 10 percent higher yeah pixel rendering pixel rendering it's definitely going to take off speaking of 10 percent higher pixel rendering wow this has been an alley-oop this has been an iconic segue episode uh what about 10 what do you want to say about 10 uh farewell to our friend windows 10 ah i was gonna say sayonara but that's what you say when you don't care that something's going goodbye and really 10 was like part of the cycle of like good and bad and it was on the good cycle yeah i think because eight was eight was don't talk about yeah eight was windows eight they were like windows a everything's tiles next month windows 8.1 everything's windows 7 again we really screwed this one up we really didn't do that one right um but yeah microsoft is actually isn't they officially ended support for windows 10 this week 10 years after its launch and i mean obviously all operating systems do this eventually 10 years is plenty of time windows 11 has been out for five years is that true it's been out for a little while if someone wants to find the exact date of that but um i think when i don't really have that much against windows 11 four years to be honest four years four years windows 11 isn't that bad but windows 10 was just better that's where it was at yeah it was where it was at so um what i thought was funny about this is 40 of windows users today are still using 10 valve says 30 of all pc gamers are still using windows 10 um there's a report one of the big things about this that i think is really interesting is the switch to windows 11 requires a lot of hardware requirements so presumably a lot of businesses and enterprise companies using windows 10 right now probably can't even upgrade to windows 11 and in the enterprise world like people stay on old versions of operating systems for a long time for many reasons sometimes it's software sometimes it's just they bought a batch of computers and they want to run them until they die i i worked at it just don't want to break any compatibility with yeah like government just run the same stuff forever yeah i worked at a company in like 2015 and we were still using windows xp on like 20 of the computers we had in the office yeah i feel like xp was pretty famous for that like there are so many old and enterprise that just runs xp and it's bulletproof and it's just never gonna break and it was fine the greatest operating system yeah ever made i skimmed my xp i told you guys this i skin my xp to look like vista because vista looked good but at least at the time yeah yeah it looks kind of cool age very well like liquid glass of 2000 whatever it was it kind of looked cool but i still had i did not have the required gpu and ram to upgrade to vista so i got a skin that i might have done a video about this that made it i definitely did a video about this made xp look like vista and it was not a good idea.

52:11Remember, it took a ton of system resources, but it looked like Vista. Remember when Microsoft launched Vista and they had the big party and they had like the casket with like a rip to Apple. It was like Apple's funeral. What? Yeah, and it was when they launched Vista. Oh, I missed that. Jesus. It was like, oh. Don't you guys know about the cycle? You played those cards wrong. Yeah, the cycle wasn't established at that point. Yeah, it was still early. It was still early. Yeah. Yeah, that kind of was this. Was that the start of the cycle? It felt like. Yeah. The big one. Because Windows 2000 was solid.

52:43And 2000 was right before XP. So XP was goaded and then it went bad with 7. No, 7 was good. Sorry, bad with Vista, good with 7, bad with 8. Yeah, that's true. That's kind of the beginning. Good with 8.1. Wow. Bad with 10. Well, yeah. So they will be offering. It's weird. They like closed it, but they're going to be offering. This is very confusing. another year of security support for a payment for some people um also not only enterprises usually it was only enterprises that could do this but it seems like they're offering it to some users and it's kind of confusing you can get a year of extended support for 61 dollars europe fought this and it has to be for free i believe also in the u.s you have to um download something called windows backup and you do not have to in europe and then there's you're i'm I'm pretty sure you can do it for three years with like compounding payments on top of it if you want to continue to use, which a lot of these enterprises are probably going to have to do because that's still cheaper than upgrading computers.

53:43But what I found the most interesting is I looked at the market share. We are going to talk about percentages. I was just looking at a couple of like who's what versions of Windows are still being used. Apparently 9 % of Windows desktop users are still on Windows 7. 0.3 % are still on Windows XP 0.3 sounds really small but that is still thousands of people what I want to know is half a percent of people are on Windows 8 are you guys okay? who is still on Windows 8? yeah your computer can't run Windows 10 why did you go to Windows 8? they probably bought a computer a Windows 8 computer? I worked at a recording studio that we could not upgrade to Windows 10 specifically because the motherboard.

54:35We had a beefcake PC totally spec'd out, but the motherboard wasn't compatible with Windows 10. I'm interested in how many... I mean, I know this is still a thing, but Windows 10 released in 2015. So presumably the computer has to be at least 10 years old. And running Windows 8, it would have to be a beef of a computer in 2015. like the latest to still be running i'm sure i'm sure it's out there but i just remember the conversation at this recording studio where it was like we have a ten thousand dollar computer that that is totally fine that is now unsupported specifically because the random motherboard manufacturer we went with uh i don't remember who made it but i have to assume some of these are also like the computer that runs the security camera system yeah i worked at a hospital years ago that was using xps because everything there like it's not even that the hardware isn't compatible is that the data is so sensitive that they don't want to do anything to lose it so you can't like mess with it in any way unless you want to invest heavily in transferring it backing it up and doing that also very funny that the data is so sensitive they're using something that hasn't had a security update and you'd be surprised how much sensitive data is just sitting on an old it's probably also like locally or something sometimes it's that or it's like this piece of hardware this x-ray machine or this robot only works with this software on this os my Hasselblad flex tight scanner i had to buy a 2000 and 2007 mac pro to run it because it only runs up to high sierra yeah so it's air gapped i will never connect it to the internet it's funny i was gonna mention this and i guess i might as well my my home computer is a 2017 intel iMac pro and I went to go update it to Tahoe this past weekend and it's not supported.

56:26And I'm like, I guess I have to buy a new computer. I mean, I don't have to. I could keep using it. You really want Tahoe on it. Yeah. I'm experiencing the same thing at home with my, aka your old 2017 Intel Mac Pro. And it's funny, I was up very late last night compiling binaries for Intel architecture, trying to get various add-ons and stuff to work. it's over yeah the dream is dead i might have to go pop in an apple store i'm glad i quit that company now that we've said this i want to hear all the extremely niche scenarios that some of our audience might be using an old version unsupported computer my toothbrush runs on windows xp that's a sick toothbrush it's also 25 years old two tunes two tunes baby um but yeah i You know, we say goodbye to Windows 10, but in 10 years when we're still talking about Windows market share and there's a 0.5 % of Windows 10 users.

57:27It's going to happen. We know you're out there. Sooner or later. We'll be one of them. Funny enough, Windows also posted a teaser tweet yesterday, today, yesterday, which it says, your hands are about to get some PTO waving emoji. Time to rest those fingers. Something big is coming Thursday. Co-pilot. Emoji. It's voice. It's something. It's got to be something AI related. yeah it's probably you can talk to your computer but what are the chances it's Clippy no not zero never zero it's never that would be cool I feel like there's got to be a reason they're not bringing Clippy back is there like a weird copyright or like trademark thing that they lost or everyone hates him no but we hate him so much we want him back now he's easy to make fun of it's endearing instead of co-pilot they could have just done Clippy and everyone would have loved it it could have been awful and we would have been like yeah but it's clippy it's clippy give him a chance yeah he was bad originally too he's got a face it's just nostalgia he was always bad yeah yeah clippy was always pretty like if i got ai questions that were wrong but it was clippy i'd be like ah you'll get them next time pal yeah exactly this is what i'm saying maybe that's the key anthropomorphizing your bad ai is the key to making it accepted by regular sort of yeah i mean the problem before was that it was cortana and then you're like, oh, dumb computer woman.

58:47Which you can't do. That's bad. But Clippy, it was just a friendly smiling face and it would pop up and it would be, seems like, and he'd be like, no, get away. You're wrong. But she would gently move it away because he didn't want to. And now Copilot is just this like amorphous, all watching ever. Yeah, it's like listening. What? Ellis, I feel like you would know this answer. Was Cortana a direct reference to Halo's Cortana? Yeah, it was the same character. She was just annoying in the game. So like, I don't want I just want to go mess around on the map I don't want to listen to what I have to actually do right now now Clippy how you've seen that no I haven't seen it actually I'm referencing a movie I haven't seen I was like that's a slow burn movie I would be very surprised movie is so long it has an intermission yeah wow yeah it does how long is it how long is a movie with an intermission the intro is like four hours eight minutes of just like gorillas dancing whoa and I definitely have not seen this movie.

59:43Wow. Marquez, you would really like it. I mean, I love the... It's only two and a half hours. Yeah, but it came out in... It came out in 68, so two and a half hours back then was a long time. Was that two VHSes? Yeah. Two VHSes. Every 90s movie was exactly 90 minutes. Fair enough. Anyway, speaking of 10, we got one more 10 to talk about, but that will be after the break. Oh, that's kind of you, Marquez. Yeah. It'll be a folding 10. Oh. I could fold. But before that, trivia. should be uh dude said i could fold yeah yeah because i thought you were that i thought you were saying i was a 10 oh i get it you said i've got one more time to talk about i said thank you god i totally missed that well earlier we spoke about xiaomi what is the mascot for xiaomi i will accept one point for what it is and another point if you got its names which you won't get so the money xiaomi has a mascot xiaomi the money i've seen this i was just in china and there was xiaomi cars everywhere and you know what it is you know what it is all right where is that the poco never mind well this the animal you're thinking of is a mascot for a lot of things but i don't know if it's xiaomi's mascot we'll see it might be well we'll guess like we usually do at the end We'll be right back.

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1:05:08Phone. I think it was like gravel. Yeah. It sounded real bad. It usually does. It was a lot, but I think it's fair to say that if some gravel gets into the hinge, the rest of the video, it sounded crunchy, which is the last thing you'd ever want with a folding phone. Yeah. And then the other thing I have is just, did you see the microphone hole? Yeah. It's kind of like the hole on the bottom is not the actual microphone. it is a like cylindrical hole that goes in and then the microphone's on the inside wall of that i guess potentially enough people were sticking the sim tray ejector tool into the microphone and damaging it so now the microphone is kind of off to the side it's clever yeah we've all done it um my question to ellis and i don't know if he saw it is wouldn't that potentially mess up how sound is getting into the microphone maybe a little now that it's not just right at the end of the i'm assuming you didn't see it you should hear me i just i just power watched the video of where it explodes but you're saying like because the mic is recessed into the case rather than being if like the case is flat and the microphone's right at the bottom of it now there's a indentation that goes up and it's inside of that so presumably sound goes into a cylinder now and goes into the side of the microphone i guess it's a phone call and no one really cares also like it's there's there's actually reasons that could make things better you know what what I mean?

1:06:32There's also probably like five mics on this phone, right? Yeah. I have no idea. Typically, yeah, I think a lot of smartphones have like two, three, four mics, and then they are combining, and that's the one at the bottom of the phone, so it's just usually for phone calls, and it's hearing your voice. Let me raise you this one, okay? Like one of the most iconic mics of all time, the SM57. The sound goes in the top, but if you speak from the back, you can't hear it. It's like the cardioid pattern, right? The way they achieve that is there's actually holes on the side of the mic so that if you're pointing it at your face it goes in that the face hole side first and then the stuff from the back goes in you know a little bit later because sound has like a speed right and it goes in jets and jets enough later and bounces around all these sort of cavities that it hits it and actually like cancels out the sound coming from behind because of that temporal difference there's a lot of there's a lot of funky tricks you can do with like distance and tubes and stuff like that.

1:07:28So I don't feel qualified to say whether this is good or bad. I think you're qualified. It doesn't matter because no one's poking it anymore. Yeah. It's safe up there. True. I have poked microphone holes. Have you really? Yeah. But I'm also someone who ejects SIM cards way more than the usual person. So I may just have a way bigger. You wouldn't do it. Well, I have a larger sample size and maybe there's just every. Actually, there's been some phones where the. It's not going to. I have none of these phones of SIM card trays, but it's been like the eject port for the SIM card tray is right next to a single port where the microphone also is.

1:08:07And it's very easy to accidentally do one or the other. Or you can just be like me, use your phone in the shower way too much and destroy the microphone that way. That'll do it. Especially if it's not water resistant. Well, even when it is. Now when I leave a voice note, it just goes, Cheers, me! It's like the French dub. yeah that is tough yeah yeah you know durability tests are one thing on the internet and i don't think this means if you have a pixel pro fold that it is likely to explode in any way but if another one explodes maybe we'll be back here next week talking about that yeah it's fun to watch this was a one-off thing because of some freak accident when he was folding it or do you think if he took that fold like a different 10 pro fold and folded it again in the same way do you think it'll happen again like is it a flaw in that way or is it just like it happened randomly just where the pressure got put it also by chance and it was also it wasn't on the initial snap it was when he was then bending it again after to kind of like straighten it out and do more that's when it started going off so like yeah he thinks it's because it's just like perfectly at the edge of the battery crimps the edge which then makes touches of all the different layers and then shorts it so i think the potential is there the potential probably was there almost just as much on past ones or maybe just the 10 the battery edge and the antenna line are like almost identical so where it snapped it got that perfect side of the battery yeah i don't know don't play with batteries like that for the most part there's always a great chance that could happen yeah yeah the way i said on twitter is it's both it's simultaneously very unlucky and very lucky It was very unlucky to have the battery thermal runaway like that, and very lucky that it wasn't worse and didn't burn anything.

1:09:53Did you catch, I think he, because his audio is not live, but I'm pretty sure he said frickin' heck there, and I was like, good job, Zach, for keeping this family friendly in the process of a phone almost catching on fire in front of you. If that happened, I'd just leave the room. Which is what you should do. Then your house would burn down. It's possible. It's possible. What? I would cover it with a towel. I'd rather not be in the house. What? Yes. Cover it with a bunch of. Very good. Tinder. If I can't see it, it's not happening. Cover it with other batteries from around. That's how I usually live my life.

1:10:23All I know is that battery, thermal runaway is like you can't reach into the battery and stop it from happening. That reaction is going to take its course. And you can't smother the oxygen away. That's not the issue either. So all you can do is go, okay, if this lights anything else on fire, put that fire out. Yeah. But like the battery is going to do its thing. Once it starts, it's going to get to the end of that process. One time I had an electrical fire and I just threw it in my sink. That's probably fine. Yeah. Just like a metal box. Yeah, true. Yeah. Yeah. This is not financial advice. This is not financial advice.

1:10:58All the fire department. Don't buy the$2 soldering iron. I learned the hard way. That's good advice. It will catch on fire. That is good advice. All right. Last little thing before we take it to trivia. Honor just dropped one of the weirdest concept phones that we've seen in a long time. We've seen a lot of weird concept phones. I'm looking at this. Yeah. If you know what a DJI Osmo Pocket looks like, it's sort of this little camera that you can run around with. It's very compact, but it has a gimbal camera on the front, which means that it's hyper-stabilized. It can pivot on different axes. And this phone has it built in as one of its main camera sensors, which is crazy.

1:11:36So the camera flips around the top of the phone, and then it's basically on a gimbal. Is this a good idea? I think it's a cool idea. It's hidden in the plateau where presumably it is the main sensor. It's just the name now. It slides over. The plateau is permanent. And then comes out from it. The plateau. Yeah. Yeah. And then can pop up as a selfie camera and looks like it does. I mean, yeah, if you don't know what the Osmo is, it's pretty much the camera on every DJI drone, like Mavic and everything, but on a little stick. So imagine a drone camera. Yeah, the Osmo Pocket is one of the most popular sort of just like quick run and gun YouTube cameras right now.

1:12:13Every single person at every single tech event has one of these. I'm really good for it. Have you ever shot on one? The colors are amazing. I've heard that it's great. It's a good ass little camera. Well, so this is what I'm saying. And I think that this is why they are making this concept phone is that instead of people just using their phone because the sensor is about the same size, people are still using this Osmo camera instead. so I think that they're thinking what if we could put the Osmo in the phone? You know what's funny? The more I think about this like I have seen phones for years try alternative selfie camera.

1:12:45Remember like this must have been like 10 years ago like the Oppo N3 maybe it was which had a swiveling selfie camera. I thought oh no no Find the Find X was the one that comes up. The first Find X. We've seen that too. We've seen like motorized. Yeah, shark fin. We've seen all kinds of them. a Zenfone that did the flip up yeah yeah the Zenfone 6 it flipped from the back so you had the back cameras turned into the selfie camera the Oppo N3 is what I'm referencing which is a similar thing it's swiveled the back camera around to be a selfie camera so once you get that extreme you start thinking about what if you could also build in like bigger optics and like stabilization in a gimbal and all that yeah and probably software on the phone to like motorize around and and get yeah cool shots i mean if you remember the lg wing yep yeah you remember the lg wing of course i'm wrong that had the gimbal software camera thing where it cropped into the sensor and it kind of felt like a gimbal that was kind of floating around there's a real gimbal was it well this no no this is yeah this one's a real gimbal yeah i don't know i think this is cool i think that they see a market that has developed and they think why don't i thought the point was that people were supposed to shoot with their phones and yeah people are still buying these dj osmo pockets so what if you just made it the same thing i feel like my argument with that would be the pocket is really good at capturing like a ton of stuff like even one of the scenarios they have here is the phone is in their chest pocket with the little gimbal pointing up which is a ov yeah kind of early yeah like something you can capture all the time and like something you're doing which for the osmo they always talk about like connected to a backpack strap so you can do it while you're hiking where the pocket makes or the osmo makes more sense because now I can still use my phone on the side.

1:14:29Like if I'm going to a convention and I want to do me on the show floor filming everything, I probably still want to use my phone where this now, your phone is what? This would look theoretically better. You can't use your phone now because it's the thing capturing all of the content. Right. I guess that's my argument on why I want a side thing with replaceable batteries and not killing my phone's battery. Alternatively, you just buy this as a camera and then you have an Android interface which you can edit on and you can upload from it. And cellular. The whole thing is like its own little contained device and you can still have a separate phone.

1:15:02I think I'm in on it. This also just highlights to me how we have literally no competition in the United States. Just think of what we could have. This is a concept. This is a concept. I know. This is a good idea if the tech can be shrunken down and the gimbal can actually be good in a package so small it fits inside the camera plateau of your phone. That's the big if. And they can probably build a one-off and it'll be a cool concept for a random PC. Xiaomi, they've all done really weird stuff. I feel like they could do this. I will believe it when I see it. This is a perfect example of I'll believe it when I see it.

1:15:33I'm trying to imagine how thick the Osmo Pocket is and if I think that can get into a reasonably sized phone and I don't think it's possible. Even if you'll believe it when you see it, we don't have any US manufacturers out here that are just like messing around with this because we have no competition. Yeah. So I want to see it. Yeah. I want to believe it. Yeah. I want to believe. It'd be cool. I feel like all the competition over on this side is software now. It's all ecosystem lock-in based. Yeah. They're not really experimenting with hardware like this. Yeah. That is true. I'm rooting for the Wally phone.

1:16:05And shitification, baby. Wally phone. All right. Well, I think with that, we should do a little trivia, dude. That's right. Nicely done. Trivia.

1:16:25Castilla board. Oh, yeah. Guys, when we switched to Windows 11, we lost two legendary pieces of Windows software. And they're not lost. They're just not bundled anymore. And one of them has a pretty big asterisk. What were they?

1:16:53we gotta find something new to fill this gap with I like the pensive thought line something new it just starts freestyling over alright alright boys I'm gonna be so mad when I hear this what do my oh my god alright David I said DirectX and I also said Paint 3D oh because remember when Windows AR was gonna be a thing in 2015 and then it wasn't Oh, yeah. Jesus. And they made Paint 3D. That happened. Yeah. All right. I just said Minesweeper. I put Minesweeper as well. And I put Internet Explorer. Oh, because Internet Explorer was one of them. That was the one with the asterisk, though. Because Edge?

1:17:40Oh. Because Edge has an Internet Explorer mode. And technically, technically, Internet Explorer is bundled with Windows 11. It is just hidden from user view. If you have an application that is specifically written to open Internet Explorer, it will still open it. But you yourself as the user cannot open Internet Explorer. The other one was. Pinball. Space pinball. Skype. Oh, because they killed Skype. Because they replaced it with T. Oh, yikes. Yeah. What happened? How far they fall? Marquez, after that correct answer with seven. Andrew with nine, still in the lead. David with one, two, carry the one, five.

1:18:29It's my turn to feel the pain. Wow. Okay, question number two. That's not that bad. It's not bad. That's a prime number spot, just kidding. Never mind. What was or what is Xiaomi's mascot? One point for the name, one point for the thing itself. Xiaomi the money. Xiaomi the money. It's a pile of cash. Ellis will now freestyle over this break. No, I won't. I won't. Maybe. Maybe one day. But not today. What if I drop a beat underneath this? Would I rap about Xiaomi? Xiaomi. Xiaomi. Xiaomi. Xiaomi. You guys know Xiaomi makes cars, right? Uh-oh. SC7. What do we got? Okay. Oh, my God. I said a red panda.

1:19:21And that's totally fine. I'm glad I wrote it anyway. And I said its name was Clippy. Good guess. And by that I mean terrible guess. I just wrote a car. I think someone made a joke about that and then I thought I actually remembered hearing something similar. And then I just wrote its name was Xiaomi. Not a bad guess. I put a cat but I was thinking of Real Meow. Yeah, you were thinking of Real Meow. Real Meow was the name. Okay, and what did you get for the name? Hyper Cat. That's a good guess But no We've talked about this before haven't we I feel like we might have at some point Or it might have been what David said the cat thing What is it?

1:20:00It was something like that The actual mascot was named Me Too M-I-T-U And it is a white rabbit Me Too Yeah Like a copycat But it's a rabbit Yeah I can do that too Apple The irony is crazy with that one Oh, he's kind of cute. Yeah, he's kind of cute. So no one gets a point here, unfortunately. It's not like the creepy rabbits with the red eyes. I always think like Velveteen Rabbit. Velveteen? Yeah. Velveteen? I don't know. It's a book. Velveteen Rabbit? No, it's a really weird old book. But like, yeah, it does. Yeah, the creepy red-eyed rabbit. Yeah. Some of us read children's books from the 30s.

1:20:42It is a weird book. Well, that's what happens. When you don't know the trivia answers, Y 'all learned something, and I'm glad we learned something today. Other than that, that was a fun episode. We'll be back, of course, with more regularly scheduled programming soon. If you haven't already seen it, go check out the Adam Massari interview where we talk to him about all things Instagram and the creator economy, etc., etc. Other than that, see you next week. Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Rovin. We're part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. We're going to try outro music. It's created by Vansil.

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