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16:29Andrew Edwards:I think it's always printed on metal. so it's like glossy and weird I hate that oh my god I'm so glad you said that

16:37David Imel:any like gallery in a town outside a national park it's just like a bunch of animal photos that we're taking with great cameras it's almost like I need to make this as cool and like impressive as possible because I took this amazing picture of a moose but it's just like they sell them for like$5 ,000

16:56Andrew Edwards:it'll be like a sunset where the sky is like so orange it's like you melted 10 ,000 basketballs into it and like a wolf that's like silhouetted but because it's bracketed there's still tons of, sorry this is like my pet peeve for sure

17:11David Imel:was that near Estes Park? there's probably 40 galleries in Estes Park that have like these exact pictures I'm talking about I specifically remember one next to a coffee shop

17:19Marques Brownlee:I think there is something to what you said where like people think that it's good if it looks difficult and if there's like back in the day when photos were 8 megapixels if you get a really sharp photo that would look like a really good camera yeah so if you could sharpen dehaze and like create a really you know structured sharp photo it looked quote better even though it didn't really look that good just because you didn't know how to do it yeah so that sort of stuff started leaking into like this generic photography it yeah that sort of bracketing is the same thing it's like okay if I want to take a picture with like the blue sky in instead of blown out it would be really difficult unless I had a photo or camera with great dynamic range or I could learn bracketing and get like two or three photos and combine them.

18:01Marques Brownlee:So now every time I take a photo, I'm like, I should do bracketing just to make sure it looks better. Yeah, right. It's not necessarily better, but then that starts gripping into regular photos too. And this has even happened in film photography. Like there's a, film photography is kind of trendy right now, you know, whatever. There's this like saying that people will be like, oh, just always overexposed by a stop so that you always have information in the shadows. And it's like, no, because then you're just going to get an image that has too much information in the shadows. And like, yeah, I guess you can scale it back because the highlights are more protected, but it's better to actually expose for the photo you want, not just show all the information all of the time.

18:38Yeah. You know?

18:39Marques Brownlee:So to get back to the Sony thing. Yeah. Sorry. Well, two things on the Sony thing. Yeah. One, that tweet with all the horrible edits from the AI thing blew up. It has 13 and a half million views on Twitter.

18:52David Imel:Their marketing department is like, I'm so confused because the best time to delete this was yesterday. Yeah. Also, this is the most traction we've ever gotten.

19:00Marques Brownlee:It's a lot of views. So on that subject, the second thing is they posted a follow-up tweet that said, Hey, following the post about the AI camera assistant, we'd like to explain the feature in more detail. It doesn't edit photos after shooting. It suggests four settings in different creative directions based on the scene and subject. You can choose any option or use your own settings. And so they show a couple more examples of one original photo and then four suggested AI examples. Yeah. Which almost makes it more baffling that they decided to show such a horrible example of a creative direction on all of those photos.

19:38Marques Brownlee:They look dramatically worse. Yeah. The fact that they thought that was creative direction, I guess, is a choice. To be fair, two of these suggestions out of the four are horrible, too.

19:48David Imel:But they're nowhere near as bad as how bad the other ones were. So like even in this has four suggestions and none of them are as bad. Whereas the other one that went through approval that those. So many things about this. Like even just the base photo looks like it's like one megapixel. Like it's so over sharpened and soft. And yeah. Do you think they'd sue us if we sold a t-shirt with the sandwich photo? Cause I would wish. I also love that you can barely read the text that says AI camera assistant.

20:17Marques Brownlee:Yeah. On it. Yeah. So anyway, they, the social media posts is baffling. whoever decided to choose those as the examples for the post ended up winning because they got 13 million views on their social media posts but also like now everyone's dunking on this sony phone again which might be the most attention any sony xperia one has gotten in a decade yeah that's true maybe not for the right reasons i mean i probably wouldn't even have heard that they had released this i didn't even know they released the last one that's actually true i

20:42David Imel:didn't know that this phone was coming you know how i knew it was coming out like two days before this someone on our subreddit was like why does big tech reviewers never do sony phones this one's coming out and it's clearly going to be the best camera it would automatically win the smartphone award and then this came out a bunch of people in the comments were like is this the camera you were talking maybe not my friend hey the smartphone award okay and another thing happened with the camera editing this week um so i was i missed the android show episode and i watched the android show while i was in europe and it was mostly good you know i actually liked a lot of it i thought Google did a good job kind of humanizing their upper management people.

21:21Oh, I hard disagree. I thought it was pretty. It was really cringy, which was very human. It was cringy, really cringy. It was cringy.

21:28Marques Brownlee:Every time it made me facepalm. Like, that was the vibe. The, like, half cut of, like, am I supposed to say something funny here, TV? Like, oh, boy. That's true. I didn't watch it, but that sounds brutal. I think just the way of describing it. Before they talk, they're, like. They'd have, like, an unscripted moment. Right. Which was obviously scripted. Which was probably scripted, yeah.

21:46David Imel:Yeah, it was tough to watch. I think if you have to describe it as humanizing upper-level management, red flag. That's true.

21:54Marques Brownlee:It's hard for all these companies. They have business leaders and ruthless engineers trying to also be the person who presents the thing on camera.

22:01David Imel:I mean, IO is rough. Mine is Woodward. He was great, but everyone else.

22:05Marques Brownlee:Almost every company does a terrible job at it. I think Apple's the gold standard that they're all trying to match because they have these incredibly— Yeah, robot energy, but they at least have like well-produced conversational types of presentations. But they also don't pretend like they're actually having a real conversation. They're not like, hey, Jason, would you mind if you sent me that screenshot of this? Sure, Cheryl. Like they don't do that kind of thing. Honestly, since COVID, it was like when we had real live tech demos and like live presentations, those were, that was like an era. and then after COVID we got these like produced things that's this new era that we're in and they're trying to make this produced era of presentations feel kind of real again by having unscripted moments or like long one takes or Carl Pei just like not blinking for five minutes or whatever they gotta do to make it feel like a person that well and also because the general sentiment around technology is at an all time low right now also true like for regular people regular people hate technology right now Yeah, and they're trying to put the person there so you feel like you're talking to a person instead of getting a tech demo.

23:14Especially at IO, which is a giant AI show.

23:16David Imel:Just to go on everyone, the resentment is like, have you seen all these commencement speeches? Getting booed. Yeah, getting booed at all their speeches. Eric Schmidt got booed like crazy, yeah. There's been multiples of them in the last week.

23:29Andrew Edwards:But if you're going to speak to a bunch of students who are graduating, matriculating into the next part of their life, and you're going to talk about agentic forces,

23:37Marques Brownlee:it's like what's wrong with you that's insane to choose to talk about yeah it's a little that derailed I think I missed this photo you're about to talk about

23:47David Imel:oh really you haven't seen it before and after I tweeted it I'll show you most of the features they released at the Android show were actually pretty cool they have the widgets that you can just generate on instant and kind of create whatever you want but one of them was basically the same thing as the sony thing except it was like now you can take any social media like photo or video and instantly make it look better with like this new google feature which i thought is i thought we've had auto mode for like a really really long time so i'm surprised that they considered this like new and better but they took a photo that looked pretty decently well exposed like maybe it was slightly underexposed a little bit and then they did the exact same thing that sony did where they just like made it way brighter uh softened it and that was kind of it like they dragged the exposure slider up a little bit but they also jack jacked

24:43Marques Brownlee:up the shadows and pulled down the highlights and it's like it would be a prime r slash hdr candidate yeah and she's like it's so awesome because you can take a photo that looked like this and it's like a normal looking picture like i would i would that would be a fine photo in my opinion to this and like the resulting photo is just so bad looking yeah now the thing is we know that people prefer brighter brighter photos especially in this before and after context where if you just had that original photo they'd go oh yeah it looks fine but for some reason regular people look at their before and then look at the after and go oh the after is better it's brighter i can see more things therefore it's a better photo and we haven't been able to escape this.

25:25Marques Brownlee:So these companies just keep seeing that response that people have and just keep doing what people keep rewarding which is making the photo brighter, seeing more in the shadows, seeing more in the highlights and that's the result. I have a theory that people who are not like are not creative people who are not artists, they don't have taste but they like things that are bad because their taste is associated I thought I was going a different way. What do you think? I thought you were going to say they have no taste So they just try to execute the technically better thing, even though it's not taste.

25:57Oh, no. I just like David telling them their taste sucks.

26:00Andrew Edwards:But you said they don't have taste, but they like things that are bad. Well, you know how over time when you get better at something, things that you used to look at and aspire for, you're eventually like, actually, that wasn't that good. And your taste kind of moves upwards. Yes. And you move around. You're like, oh, now I'm interested in this. I'm looking up at this. And it changes. I think when you know if you're not in that specific hobby or that specific art form or that niche you don't and you don't really know what makes something look good you're going to gravitate towards the things that you think look good at that time right yeah

26:35Marques Brownlee:should we just cut this whole section no I no no it's interesting I think it's not subjective and yeah I think when I picture someone I don't know if I'm just being an asshole right now no I think it's it's a fascinating conversation when I picture someone with no taste I picture them not having any direction at all to what they tend to pick but I think what what happens is regular people just see brighter as better. The same way that people hear louder as higher quality. It's just sort of a default. It's a default that humans tend to just do that. And so now they don't have taste, but that's the one thing that they understand is better.

27:06Andrew Edwards:Also, I think for a lot of people, they're not even looking at the quality of their photo and they just don't want the auto camera settings to fail ever. The idea that every single picture comes out usable to some degree, I think is like...

27:19David Imel:Yeah, for sure. I think it goes all the way back. We big circled this into, David said, most people are looking at these as tools. These are tools. The brighter photo shows more information. The louder thing, I may be able to hear more of. And most people care about it as tools because they don't mind that it's a beautiful photo you might hang. They mind that it's a photo that they can see their kid having fun on the playground.

27:42Marques Brownlee:And to play devil's advocate for the terrible HDR photo that we get from the before and after, it is easier for most people to turn the after into what they want than the before that make sense i can turn up contrast bring the shadows back down and like make it a regular looking photo out of the insane looking thing more easily than someone looking at the original turning it into something that they think looks good and bright depends on how compressed they make it though definitely but like in general like people don't know how to make good photos That's fair. So it's easier to just give them a flat, bright thing and be like, oh, okay.

28:19Marques Brownlee:Yeah. Oh, David says I should have more shadows. I can hear. Turn it down. Now there's shadows. I want to make one more analogy. Yeah. You know, you know, live, laugh, love core stuff. Yes. Like that you'd buy at like Marshall's or HomeGoods or any cheap Airbnb you've ever been in. Every time. David, you came back with some heat this week. I'm sorry.

28:38David Imel:We're going after Airbnb. All I'm saying is like actual like interior designers would never use that. Interesting. I don't know. This could be a whole psychological analysis.

28:48Marques Brownlee:I'm thinking of it as like, yeah, it's like lines on a graph. Like no taste is just no correlation at all. It's just a blob. But you're saying because they're being gravitated towards left love core. But people are gravitating towards something. Yeah. Yeah. So it's more than just no taste. That's fair enough. It's like some weird universal constant that we all enjoy. It's so strange. I mean, yeah, you enjoy it until you realize how bad it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you're gravitated towards something else after that. Yeah, exactly. It's the first step. Maybe it's like a step. Yeah, it is. I think it is kind of a ladder.

29:18Yeah. I don't know. Anyway. The taste ladder. The taste ladder. I just don't understand why Google is positioning this as like a brand new like technological advancement thing. It's like, it's literally just, they hit the auto button.

29:31Marques Brownlee:Yeah. Which has existed for like 25 years. Like I don't. Yeah, but they're all AI now. They all have to say it's AI. Sure. I don't. It's like. It's the artificial intelligence auto button. It's so weird. Yeah. It's so weird. Anyway, I just go try out like the Leica Xiaomi phone or something and you will see what a good smartphone camera is. It just comes back to what we were saying before.

29:53David Imel:Most of these people just use these as tools. Like, yeah, we care about getting a good picture. Most people want to capture the memory. Well, that's ironic because the number one seller of smartphones has always been the camera. Yeah, but not because they want to post it on Instagram, because they want to look at it in 12 years and be like, look at what my nephew was doing. It is funny, though, because these events are pointing towards people like us who are judging the cameras based on taking a nice photo. So for the people that works for them aren't watching the Android show, the people who watch the Android show think this sucks.

30:30Marques Brownlee:That's true. There's a good amount of comments of people being like, oh, tech reviewers are so out of touch. They always want this, that, and the other, but really regular people just want like to zoom into 50 X and capture their kid on a stage in kindergarten being a pumpkin for Halloween. Like that's as long as you can get that and it's clear. It's like, great. That's a win. It's like a screwdriver, not a brush.

30:50Andrew Edwards:You know, I think it's beyond like people not having taste. I just think most people don't think critically and don't care, you know, how things like look or feel like remember, like, you know, this is this is a country where we have about the same. number of strip malls as schools. You know, like we're not thinking too deep about our surroundings. Yeah, there's way

31:10David Imel:more places that I could shop at. Why do we have this many schools? Yeah,

31:14Andrew Edwards:exactly. You know, or like why should anyone need to like, you know, my fourth home goes, I haven't been to

31:20David Imel:a school in forever. Only like 10 % of the population uses schools. Do you think there's more babies than not babies? Yeah, why do we have those things? I read a stat last week that there's like a quarter of the amount of people, there's rats in New York City. There's a quarter. Wait, what? You're saying there's four times as many rats in New York City. There's one quarter as many rats. There's one rat for every four people. There's one rat for every four people. Yeah, one rat.

31:49Marques Brownlee:That's a lot of rats.

31:51David Imel:One rat per four people? So there's a 25 % chance you have a rat following you? There's a 25 % chance you are a rat. All right. Like men in black, my face just comes off and it's a rat. Yeah. Anyway, I understand. These are tools and brighter people think is better. And it's the same reason why, you know, Apple can be like, oh, we are using pixel binning now. And so it's the same resolution. It's like the same quality, even though they're getting less light per pixel. And then dumb, dumbasses like me will be like, well, technically, the photo site is quite a bit smaller. And so the quality of the photo site is.

32:30And my uncle or my I don't even have an uncle. my freaking i don't know my grandma well she's dead my mom my mom will be like i just want to zoom in at 50x yeah and that's all she wants to do yeah that'll yeah like when we when we see

32:45Marques Brownlee:samsung space zoom and the first thing we do is go 50x photos look bad and then regular people see the commercial and they're like finally i can zoom into 50x and get that picture of that sign or that random stage performance for my kid that i was trying to get a picture exactly or like i'm in the crowd at the baseball game and I can zoom all the way in on their face for some reason. That's fair. The default is going to be the one that most people use and then the specialized tools are in the marketplace of ideas. That's fair. I do think Apple has a real opportunity to release a pro camera app for themselves.

33:19Because they're really getting their lunch eaten. They have the opportunity to Sherlock like never before. We'll see if that happens. Anyway, I said I was going to have a generational crash out. well you told most people they have no taste so I think check check the box by most people yeah I do mean most people no one listening to this though all of you guys are good though I'm going to seem like such a f***ing fool in this episode

33:46Marques Brownlee:now we have to establish that we are better than the average person by getting zero trivia questions correct if I threw a frisbee you'd probably think oh my god his f***ing form no no no that's a perfect analogy actually because I know that you're not a frisbee player. Yeah. It's like a photographer judging a random person's photo. I'm not going to judge. You're a random person. Yeah, I wouldn't judge a random person's photo. But another photographer? Right. Like if you were on a frisbee team, I would judge your form. That's the analogy.

34:16David Imel:It can bite you in the ass, man. There's so many warmups where I was like, is that how that guy throws a forehand? I'm going to tool him and get whooped by them on the field later. I've thought that about so many people that are now really good friends. That's fair enough. And have crushed me on that. But that's a good analogy because Google is basically the other photographer and Sony. And that's why we're like... They should know better. They should know better. We're just disappointed. We're not bad.

34:38Marques Brownlee:I think in this analogy, Google makes the Frisbee. We're so deep down this rabbit hole. Because it's just a tool.

34:46Andrew Edwards:It's called an UltraStar, actually.

34:48Marques Brownlee:Yeah. But I'm saying the tool is being used differently. Oh, so they made a bad product. So they made a disc that flies slightly differently, and us pro throwers are like, ah, this turns way too fast, or this is hanging in the air too long. But regular people are like, it floats forever. This is great.

35:07David Imel:Oh, yeah. See?

35:08Marques Brownlee:That's good. So, yeah, anyway. That's good. Let the tools do the tool thing. Okay. But there should always be pro tools.

35:14David Imel:I haven't experienced the new soundboard yet.

35:17Marques Brownlee:It's pretty good. It's great.

35:19Andrew Edwards:Grock context, please.

35:21Marques Brownlee:and with that note I think we should take a quick break let the steam out of our ears a little bit but before that subscribe and Google IO next and before that

35:32David Imel:and after that or somewhere let's do trivia yeah this is going to be an episode for sure it's already like 28 degrees in here

35:42Marques Brownlee:I still can't remember when I said that can you do that again it's the waveform bros why did I say it like that It's funny that I know that that's Marques because I've heard that impression before. But like, was I responding to something? Waveform bros? Was I imitating something? I don't know why I said that. Or said it like that. He probably said it when we weren't here. No, I was here for sure.

36:06Andrew Edwards:We also have this one. That one could have been any of us. Today's question is, Rachel, Mimi, Robin, and Shakira are all code names for what line of smartphones? Rachel, Robin, Mimi, Shakira. Shakira? Shakira. Shakira, Shakira? Shakira, Shakira. I don't really know.

36:32David Imel:You make a man want to speak Spanish?

36:34Marques Brownlee:The hips? Interesting. Don't lie, Marquez. Well, think about it. Shakira's so good. I have no idea about this. Those Zootopia songs are bangers.

36:43Andrew Edwards:What do you think about? This is like a smartphone whose code name was Shakira. It must be really groovy. Adam, look at this phone and tell me how groovy it is. Did you hear that Brazil was trying to sue her for tax fraud? No, it was Spain. Spain was trying to sue her for tax fraud. She got out of it. Well, she acquitted herself, basically, and was like...

37:03David Imel:Did her hips go on the stand? Because they can't lie. Nice. All right. We really got to move on. Dumb. Is that me? Yeah, that was you. I don't remember that either. We have a lot of good ones. So many people have already tried to skip the ad break, and they're still getting us yapping about things, and it's not even an ad yet. Okay, we'll think about it. Answers will be at the end like usual.

37:28Marques Brownlee:The long way. And we'll be right back.

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40:43Marques Brownlee:All right, welcome back. This past week was also Google I.O. Now, we did talk about the Android show the previous week, which was like Google took out all of the stuff that you might typically expect of I.Os in the past, which is like Android updates, feature updates, Android Auto, like the interesting, exciting stuff that's going to hit consumers and that we can actually use and review. They took that out and made it a separate show a week before IO. We talked all about that. So what does that leave for IO? That leaves a lot of Gemini. Now, we know that IO is a developer conference, and they have to talk to developers, and they have to talk to the people on the bleeding edge of using these tools, essentially, Gemini and all the other things that we're going to talk about.

41:26Marques Brownlee:But I think as a whole, this I.O., since it was devoid of the Android stuff, felt like an overwhelming amount of especially named AI features. And if there's one thing about Google, it's that they can't help naming everything. Everything. Everything that they do. So we're going to jump into it. We can try to explain a lot of this new stuff, how much of it you may end up using someday or how much of it is really technically advanced or cool. but I promise you, you will not be able to keep track of how many f***ing names there are. Yeah, I think that this IO was like the biggest example yet of the fact that Google is like 3 ,000 companies in one.

42:06Yeah. And that they just don't really communicate very much.

42:08Marques Brownlee:Because there's no cohesiveness or vision. It's just spamming. Like it really does feel like there's nine different companies who each had three ideas to present and none of them talk to each other. And honestly, some of them step on each other. Totally. Like there's Veo and then there's also Nana Banana. and then there's also this new thing that's gonna generate images and videos. Like, why are there three? So there's a real lack of visual strategy to what's happening. So we'll break it down. We'll show you what's new. But again, I promise. Google Photos. It's horrible. It's not just you. Google Pics.

42:37Marques Brownlee:Google Pics. Brand new product. Yeah, it's so much. It's not Google Photos or Pictures. Yeah. But it will generate some of those things. Yeah. So I, last night, thoroughly watched this, like, three times to my own dismay. Oh my goodness. I'm so sorry. In 4X, though, probably. in 2X okay that's a little less bad I tried to do 4X and I just couldn't keep up

42:56David Imel:it's still three hours if you watched it three times yeah the amount of times in the show where they said like I think they said and we're just getting started at minute 50 and I was like what don't do this to me yeah well the first time to be fair I listened to it in the car at 2X and then I got home I watched it again anyway for some reason they bounced back and forth between different products through the show like they would announce something like Omni and then later in the show they'd talk about Omni again and then near the end they'd talk about Omni again. And it felt like because they took everything out from the Android show they had to like pad the time because Google I.O.

43:29is always two hours.

43:31Marques Brownlee:It's weird. I try to like think about who's the target demographic of these presentations and maybe it's unfair to compare it to Apple but like I think regular people watch a WWDC recap to see what interesting things are going to be happening. A bunch of my friends watch Dub Dub. I don't even I'm not even going to make an I.O. recap because so much of this is either not going to come out or it's going to be dead in a year or it's going to be really interesting and then it's going to get stepped on by some other updated Google product in like three months. So yeah, there's a lot of very technically advanced stuff and impressive things that they got to demo.

44:02Marques Brownlee:How much of it will actually show up? Like the live docs feature was really cool. Are they going to ship it? I don't know. Is it going to last? I don't know. But it was a really cool demo, so we'll tell you about it. I was also very confused about who this was for because I was supposed to be for developers and I feel like a lot of this wasn't even aimed at developers. It was like them showing off their dominance in web and search. And token usage. Yeah, that was a weird flex. Sundar was just flexing constantly about how many tokens they consume. And then at some point, he was just like a salesman.

44:33And he was like, if your company used Gemini Flash 4.5,

44:38David Imel:you would save a billion dollars. His one stat was like 375 people have used one trillion tokens. yeah i was like that which is such a weird also weird because flash 3.5 is more expensive than three was i think some of these 3.1 so it's like yeah some of these things just felt like

45:00Marques Brownlee:them saying hey we are the dominant ai company yeah see these big numbers yeah that's how you know i will say it's interesting that it's a developer conference but in past years they've had enough so that non-developers like people like us like the media can like really understand and digest and understand like how you can use this in the real world and this year it was it didn't feel like it was for developers really but it because it was just products that were being announced but none of the products were things that people would actually use so only a few of them or if you were like an enthusiast like a real enthusiast who's like i can't wait to deploy Gemini Spark to shop for me.

45:39Marques Brownlee:There's a tiny fraction of people who are like, hell yeah, this is awesome. I can't wait for it to monitor the price of jeans online to automatically buy six pairs for me when it hits a certain price threshold. But that's not most of us. I remember eight years ago at I.O., we'd all sit around being like, what are they going to name the next Android? And what's the big feature or two going to be that they try to show us as awesome? What's the new Nexus phone that is going to be under our seat when we have the show finished?

46:03David Imel:When are we going to delete that chain link fence in front of this? never so yeah so because they were hopping around so much throughout the show i had originally just taken a ton of notes in like a linear fashion and then i decided to order them into main chunks so i have a models section that's where you messed up you should just ask gemini to do it for you um i did which one i i did have gemini do this for me but then i went through and i like yeah yeah anyway okay so we have a model section we have an agentic ai section we have a retail section okay we have an intelligent eyewear section which is like the glasses app and search overhaul section and then the little ending weird deep mind thing um where we're on the foothills of the singularity apparently should we also save the intelligent eyewear section for the

46:52Marques Brownlee:end for sure like google did sure we could do they got to that like 90 minutes into io yeah Which is crazy. Yeah. All right. Well, we'll start with the models. New models, obviously, Gemini 3.5 Flash. And there will be a 3.5 Pro coming in a month, apparently. I don't know why it's taken so long to roll that out. That's kind of weird. Google claims that Flash is four times faster in output tokens per second than existing frontier models. And outperforms Gemini 3.1 Pro on key benchmarks. Which is impressive, if that's true. I want to be like the regular person translator for these. Yeah, do it. I think that that essentially would mean for the super quick queries that you're going to AI for that use Flash, they will be really, really good because they're benchmarking as well as Pro.

47:38Marques Brownlee:And they'll be really, really fast. So you don't have to wait for it to type it out in several seconds of, oh, is AI going to even get this right? Ideally, it's way faster and way more accurate. Yeah. Ideally. Yeah. To me, it also felt like Sundar was trying to get Enterprise to sign up to use Gemini as their backend because Anthropic is currently making a load of money on that. Hey, do you make an app? Do you have like a thing that queries AI inside your app? Well, make sure it's Gemini Flash because it'll be the fastest, best one, best experience for your app user. Yeah, sure. Yeah. It's rolled out already.

48:11Yeah, it's already out. That's true. Yeah. They also demoed the Gemini Omni World Model. So this one kind of confused me a little bit. What it is good at specifically is simulated physics and real-world reasoning to interpret combinations of text, audio, images, and video to generate realistic, editable video environments. They gloated a lot about how the model can do everything but said, for now, it's only doing video. And I'm like, okay. It can do everything but it can only do video.

48:42Marques Brownlee:Yeah, so my translation of this is like, hey, have you ever wanted to make an ad-generated video, but you wanted to use some inspiration from a photo and a video and some text that you wanted to describe some extra stuff in it and some other random thing you wanted to include? Well, you can now just loop all of that stuff in. It'll be one prompt and Omni will turn it into something that includes all of that stuff. which the irony of all this is that I think the hierarchy of usability and value in AI is like coding is number one text generation is probably number two but people like AI less and less the more you get towards video right like AI image generation mostly bad but you could use it for manipulation to make memes of yourself for your friends

49:29David Imel:rage bait misinformation is making a ton of money online this is perfect but then video like I don't really know anybody who is hyped for AI video in any possible way.

49:39Marques Brownlee:Yeah. In general. I could even like think about a couple things. I could use AI generated images for like visualizing like, hey, I've got this room. I want to visualize what this desk would look like in here with this wallpaper behind it. OK, I can help me see what that looks like. Right. The video brainstorming, maybe I don't I don't feel like that's going to be very useful. Yeah. And they really did a lot of AI video. And it's the heaviest resource wise like it's the most difficult to do. Yeah. And it's yeah. Yeah. Well it's me eating spaghetti. Yeah. It's getting better. And they specifically were like it's it's multimodal.

50:15It can do everything. And I'm like well Gemini was already multimodal so why do you need to call it Gemini Omni? Why didn't they just make an update to Gemini and say we can now do real world physics? Because they need to name everything.

50:26Marques Brownlee:This is what we talked about. Yeah. New Gemini Omni. The naming team needed a raisin, they went all out for this. Yeah. Okay, so that's it for the models. There's new agentic AI updates. We have Antigravity 2.0, which I know Adam was actually a little bit excited for. If you don't remember what Antigravity was, it's basically their coding environment that has all these agentic features where you can code inside of it and stuff. A lot of people were confused because Antigravity 2.0 is very much like the claw desktop app, basically, or like Codex, I've heard. I haven't used Codex, but similar to that, where it's just like a chat or whatever yeah they still have the ide so anti-gravity was their ide but i don't know what got lost in translation i don't know why they named the same thing so this new thing now is anti-gravity that you talk to gemini and it'll like do the things but if you want to open up the code and look at it with a real proper file structure and everything you need to also download the anti-gravity ide which is a completely separate thing and i don't know how much longer that's going to be around i don't know it's very confusing it looks i know it looked a lot like a general like a regular gemini app like yeah i it's strange anyway uh it's for developers wait can i just

51:38David Imel:sorry yeah go for it so if you're using anti-gravity 2.0 to make something but you want to make sure you want to look deeper you have to open up anti-gravity well so anti-gravity if you if you tell it to build a thing it will do it and then it'll be like you can click here to look at the code and it'll pop up a little side window and preview like the actual code you can scroll through whatever but that's not typically how people build things they have an editor for that so anti-gravity i believe was it's very similar to vs code which is a very popular one open like whatever but that's a separate app entirely now on on the computer i think seems right if you want to know if the google teams talk to each other there's your proof that they don't talk to it

52:21Marques Brownlee:It did feel to me like there's one tool for generating code with AI, and then there's another tool with a different name for auditing your AI-generated code with another AI.

52:31David Imel:But it sounds like they're the same name.

52:33Marques Brownlee:But if, yeah. And then also, like, your regular code. So you can audit all of your code with AI. But AI coding sometimes makes mistakes. So you need someone or something to audit the mistakes. So another agent can audit your code. And if that's not confusing enough, there's also the anti-gravity CLI now, which is another terminal tool that is replacing the Gemini CLI which was open source and now it's not open source. So now you can control all of your agents all in one in the terminal but you have to use their proprietary tool. And that's also called anti-gravity. And that's also called the anti-gravity CLI.

53:08David Imel:Yeah, it's going great. Even if I was a developer I would be really confused. Do you think anyone showed up to their first day at work at Google and they're like I'm on the anti-gravity team and they went to the wrong building. It's like in school when you sit in the wrong classroom and 20 minutes in there reading the syllabus and you're like, do I get up and leave? I've done that before for sure. It's like I get that they all do slightly different things, but they should be one thing. It should be cohesive. Shocker. Well, and the irony of all of this is the general Gemini app can basically do all of this stuff too.

53:37I've even used the Cloud app on my Mac and I've updated my website with features and stuff through Cloud. And you can just do it through the chat. you don't even have to use cloud code but there is a cloud code so it's like they make all of these sub products that are more optimized for the main thing but the main model can still do all of the things probably to like some 90 something percentile of the specialized tool yeah I don't know well they were very excited about Antigravity 2.0 they built an operating system from scratch and plugged it into everything like they were showing Google search things that were building stuff with anti-gravity.

54:17Yes. All this stuff. Which we will get to. But yeah, they built this operating system. They said it deployed 92 sub-agents over 12 hours to build an OS and that it cost less than$1 ,000 in API credits. Wow. What use this has, who needs to build operating systems, I'm not sure. But I guess it was more of a, the scientists were more interested if they could, not if they should. That's exactly right. And then they ran Doom on it. We could run Doom, yay.

54:47David Imel:Look, we're relatable. Yeah, relatable. Okay, Gemini Spark. This is basically Google's answer to OpenClaw. It's a 24-7 cloud-based personal AI agent that runs continuously in the background. It can actively parse your data to give you daily digests, like a child's school emails for deadlines, monitoring your credit card statements, et cetera. It's rolling out to trusted testers this week and rolling out to a new$100 AI Ultra plant. So this is the other thing that they have multiple, the same name for multiple things. They now have three AI Ultra plans. At three different prices? At three different prices that are not called like AI Ultra Plus or AI Ultra Ultra.

55:26They're just AI Ultra, but there's the$100 one. There's the now$200 one down from$250. And then they have the crazy one, I think. Unless it's just the$200 one. Anyway.

55:39Marques Brownlee:So the way I'm thinking about this one for regular people. The OpenClaw thing. Yeah, Spark. Like if you think about using AI as I do prompt, then AI does thing. Then I do prompt again, then AI does adjustment. Then I add prompt again, and it's like a back and forth thing. The idea of an agent is it's able to go and do multiple things. It has its own agency. It has like the ability to do multiple things over time or in a row or to go execute something for you without you having to prompt over and over again. I did find this decently useful. and like, and this is an example that'll come up again of like, I want to monitor when this thing drops below a certain price, but you'll have to check the market for listings of it over and over again.

56:21Marques Brownlee:Let's do this every 12 hours for the next couple of weeks until we find one that hits the certain price. That's what the agent would do. It would just go, hey, I searched again. Here's the results. Hey, I searched again. Here's the one that actually hit your price threshold. So it's instead of you searching over and over through the agent, it does it with agency. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and like all of these AI companies have come up with sort of an open claw competitor. Like Claude now has one that can do it for you. One of my friends, they lost a bunch of data on their hard drive and so they were using a recovery tool, but the recovery tool estimated like 800 hours to like recover the data.

56:56So he set it up so that the agent would check his computer and check on the progress of it like every one day and send him an update. So there are like some uses there. I will say the Daily Digest I'm actually pretty excited about. because I've been getting the beta one that gets emailed to you in the morning. So bad. Really? I found it pretty helpful. I like the formatting of it, but the contents of it are useless to me. Oh, mine is the opposite. I hate the formatting of it, but I've actually found a couple of subscriptions that were like, oh yeah, I do have to cancel that free trial. It reminds you of things like that.

57:28Marques Brownlee:I think potentially I've connected it to too many services because it'll just be filled up with like a bunch of people left comments on your Google Docs and I'm like, I already know that. Like I haven't marked them as resolved because I need to read them later. And so it's just telling me a bunch of things I already knew. It's like, here's what's on your calendar. Well, yeah, I got a notification. That's why the calendar notifies me. But yeah, maybe I can fine tune it a little bit. Yeah, it's fine. It's totally worth a trillion dollars of investment.

57:52David Imel:Why don't you get an agent to fine tune it? I'll deploy Gemini Spark. Deploy 92 agents to fine tune it. That's coming to the Mac desktop app later this summer for local file automation. So it'll be able to like actually touch your computer. Because right now it can only do things like on the web. so okay um three is retail this is a grouped a group thing for universal cart and ap2 so this universal cart thing is is kind of interesting clearly google has been trying to make google shopping happen for like 12 years now 15 years now where they just they really really see all the money that amazon's making and they're like we could have some of that they want to be a trusted retailer so bad so bad so and then they saw what tiktok was doing with tiktok shop and so now if you look at youtube and you go to like you know anybody's youtube video that has a product placement they now have right below the video like you can buy this and you can click on it you can go to it and buy it whatever probably not enough people use that that they want to use it so they created this thing called universal cart which basically across google search gemini youtube and gmail you can add things to your cart you can click on the thing and say you're interested in it but when it drops below a certain price you're kind of interested in it and it connects to your google wallet so now as well if it knows like that you're you have a certain credit card and that certain credit card gets certain cash back at certain stores it will be like oh when you go to pay for this you should use your target card because it's at target and you get five percent off at target or something like that you get cash back whatever um i really really think google is just trying to find more revenue sources because by making gemini and making all this automation stuff they are taking away from search ads so they just they're slowly trying it they're like we're gonna get ahead in the ai thing even though it's taking away for our main business but we need to figure out ways to make money from it if we're gonna own it yeah yeah so it's kind of interesting but i remember seeing the study where there was a bunch of uh they tested a bunch of these different models at how good is it at actually suggesting me like the right flights the right hotel reservations whatever if you were just to say like make me this trip classic and like 90 of the time it gave the users like one of the more expensive options for the hotel for the flight all these things so classic and so google can now go to you know retailers and advertisers and they can say hey look we can slowly sort of like suggest these products towards these users years.

1:00:27And kind of the overarching theme for IO this year is just like, trust us more and more and more, bro. Which makes me trust you less and less and less. Yeah.

1:00:38David Imel:Yeah. Because all I see with all of this is, I think you guys mentioned on an episode I wasn't here, is like the new version of SEO. Because all of this is just going to lead into a different way that big companies can pay to be better results inside of AI. Exactly. That is 1 ,000 % where it's going no matter what you say. That's how it's going to work. Yeah. That's how people are going to make money on it. Google is just like, oh, just don't make your own decisions. Let AI make all the decisions for you, and then they're going to advertisers, and they're saying, now that everyone just trusts us, we can just suggest your products.

1:01:07Yeah.

1:01:09Marques Brownlee:It points pretty directly to the direct tradeoff between privacy and convenience because, and this is also a shout-out to Joanna's book, which you'll hear about that probably on an upcoming bonus episode, but if you just give your life to the AI, you just go, all right, you know everything about me, Google. It's kind of a privacy nightmare, but you have everything about me now. That is the best case scenario for actually getting the results that are most applicable to you. And so when you ask for it, yes, it will be skewed, but it will be skewed based on what it knows about you. And theoretically, it'll give you better products to buy or more useful suggestions based on - Or tailored to you.

1:01:45Marques Brownlee:It knows about your car, your house, or whatever already. And so if you do decide to just give it all to the AI, then that will be your win. But not everybody wants to do that. And obviously that's the trade-off that they're trying to convince you to make. It's why a lot of people keep the Instagram ad tracking on because they'll say, oh, I actually like it because it gives me relevant products. And I'd rather have relevant products than the lingerie that I get.

1:02:11Andrew Edwards:There's literally no reason to have that on. Wrong. I've gotten so many good products. People want to get ads for stuff. Yeah, I'm telling you. I told you there's a divide. Some people actually do want to buy stuff from Instagram. It's not that I want to buy stuff from Instagram. is that it shows me brands from smaller brands that aren't just Amazon or Shein. I find actual stores from Brooklyn or something because they're using targeted ads. It's good for small businesses. It's bad for me, but it's good for small businesses. That's Facebook's point. No, no, bad argument, bad take, bad argument.

1:02:40Andrew Edwards:Do not turn on app tracking for the sake of helping small businesses. That is ridiculous. But turn it on if you love material. Helping small businesses by letting one of the largest companies in the world

1:02:50Marques Brownlee:sell your data. Are you serious, bro? How else are you going to find them? The small business has been spending money desperately trying to find good customers, and this is the way they actually get to that customer. No, no, no.

1:02:59Andrew Edwards:I'm not accepting any of these. I only make everything that I use. This mixed jersey, I said it. I know a few people who use meta advertising, and they're literally like, you put in$10 and$30 pops out. So clearly it works. There's a lot of s*** wrong with meta, but that product is a money fountain. There's a reason Meta is a giant, giant, giant corporation. And that small, like everyone uses it. I don't think that, you know, only small business, whatever. But if you are a small business and you put$10 in and$30 pops out, I mean. Yeah. Unrelated and related. They're doing a ton of layoffs today.

1:03:36So clearly this is not great timing for any of this Meta stuff. Who is Meta? They laid off like 10 ,000 people. Again? Yeah.

1:03:44Andrew Edwards:8 ,000, yeah. Oh my God. Okay. Well, that's great. the other thing in retail is there is now this thing called AP2 which is agent payments protocol and basically Google is scared that the agents are going to hallucinate with your credit card information that's what they are terrified about they want you to be able to tell your agent like oh if this shirt from this brand goes on sale can you just buy it for me which is kind of crazy to think about something could just agentically like shop shop for you without you having like discreet input it's kind of close to what someone

1:04:23Marques Brownlee:so like an ultra rich person who has like a personal assistant yeah they'd be like i mean you'd be too rich to do this but you'd be like when it hits a certain price just buy it for me right but we don't have personal assistants but it's like oh yeah now my phone is a personal assistant i'll just have it wait on something for me and it has infinite capability of waiting and

1:04:42David Imel:finding the right thing and then it just does it it's the weird thing of ai where it's like that is a totally reasonable thing to ask but at the same time weird robot internet has my credit card number like i like both of these things are true and i'm terrified well it's kind of the next do you remember amazon dash buttons yes yeah yeah so for the young the youngins out there amazon used to like give you for five dollars you could buy this amazon dash button then they give you a five dollar credit and it was a button that you could assign to any product on amazon so when you hit it it ordered it for you it was like if you put it by where you keep your paper towels like something that you restock a lot on so like every time my paper towels are almost up i just

1:05:21Marques Brownlee:press it they're gonna come to my door tide pods yesly tide pods so like what samsung and all these companies have want to do forever is put cameras in your fridge so it automatically does this for you right that's like because these companies they're like oh if people bought things as soon as they ran out of them every single time and they bought the same thing over and over and over again we could make more money because that's more purchases per hour right so that's what google's trying to do here they're trying to make it like oh you're because all these ad companies the main problem that they have with like the facebook pixel all this stuff they they see that you're interested in something because you interacted with it but actually getting you to make that payment and actually go through with the purchase is the hardest part of the whole thing yeah and so google's like well what would it take for you to buy this would it take frictionless as possible Would it take a$20 discount?

1:06:09What if it got to a$20 discount? Would you definitely buy it? Can I just do it for you? Yeah. So that's -

1:06:14David Imel:That's a really good point. I feel like there's so many times where I have something in my cart and I almost buy it and I'm like, no, not right now. But there's way less commitment of being like, well, if you found this thing later and then it's just going to show up at my door. Chances are, if that's what I was thinking in my head, I would go back to that in two weeks, probably get to the same point and be like, I don't really need this. Yeah, exactly. Google's trying to get past the you don't really need this. And that's something that Meta doesn't have because the only thing Meta really has is when you like hover over something for too long, it'll just keep showing you the ad like more and more often, you know?

1:06:48Yeah. Anyway, this agent payments protocol, it's basically just a protocol that's helping agents shop for you, but making sure that they don't pass any weird boundaries and buy things that you don't want. I think this is kind of just security for them to get advertisers to actually advertise with them and for them to be like, don't worry we won't make users return a ton of stuff.

1:07:12David Imel:This has the potential to really screw up some smaller businesses who might have a bunch of accidental purchases that then have to be returned and maybe can't be put back on shelves or have like, yeah lots of accidental purchases that could create waste and kind of screw over a A small warehouse? Yeah, because if you have returns and then it's worth nothing. Yeah, so it's all dang. All right, number four, app and search overhauls. Search AI mode got an upgrade to Gemini 3.5. Queries that are at an all-time high because users are now treating search like a conversational partner, apparently. Allegedly.

1:07:48Allegedly. Sundar did say that now people are putting more natural language into Google search, which I have actually found myself doing because it used to be that we knew the language of SEO.

1:08:01Marques Brownlee:Everybody under a certain age grew up learning how to Google something. Yeah. Whether you had a class in it or you learned some internet literacy somewhere or from someone you know. So you have to know what words to type into Google to find what you're looking for. And then also like how to exclude certain phrases or like put things in quotes to find like things together. To add Reddit to the end. That's like a skill that we all learned that under a certain age, people have not had to learn that because they either just go straight to an AI agent or an AI and just type it in in natural language and it finds it for them.

1:08:34Marques Brownlee:And so now, yeah, there's this like blurred line of people who grew up not learning how to Google things, but then they just use natural language in Google and it kind of works. It kind of works now. And it kicks them to AI mode anyway and it's fine. It didn't used to work at all and now you can do that and it'll automatically do AI mode and you can just keep talking to it. Anecdotally speaking, I've been using that a lot more just because the regular SEL speak that I grew up using doesn't work anymore. That's true. So I've just been like trying to get something. So I'm like, OK, let me just ask it the way I would normally ask something.

1:09:01Yeah. What's crazy now, though, is that Google search now has dynamic layouts, which can code custom visuals for you on the fly. And it can also build shareable mini apps like a weekend planner itinerary. So how this was shown off was basically I think it was Josh Woodward that did this. But he's like, oh, I want to do like this weekend thing with my kids and my wife, but I'm not really sure what to do. like can you suggest me things to do and so it builds this little mini app inside of the google search window that shows the weather it shows like suggested locations it shows like dinner places they can go to and stuff like that and you can talk to google search to sort of modify it and it will it will change the code of the app in real time and you can share that with whoever which a part of this for me it was like man people really want to offload every decision they've ever had.

1:09:56I just like the idea of

1:09:58David Imel:then your wife comes over like, oh, did you figure out what we're going to do this weekend? No, not yet, but check out this app that's trying to figure out what we're going to do.

1:10:05Andrew Edwards:It's like if you have a dog and your dog can't stop throwing up. You take your dog to the vet and then you come to pick it up later and you're like, so is my dog going to keep throwing up? Did you fix that? I didn't fix that, but your dog is literally a transformer now. I still have a puking dog. That's how I feel about Google search. Yeah. Yeah, it's strange. I've Google searched so many things during this show and the AI overview has been wrong about every single one of them. I'm just like, I'm so sick of this. Please do not build me apps. Please just serve me relevant information. Yeah. I mean, it's funny that we like remember when they added in the suggested snippets where it would like give you the answer within Google search and people freaked out because they're like, people aren't going to the links.

1:10:48And if you do this, people won't go to the links. And now they're like, if a kid searches, how does a black hole work? It'll just generate an animation on the fly of a black hole colliding with another black hole.

1:10:58Marques Brownlee:Yeah. Which is, on one hand, it's way worse. All of the sources don't get any traffic. All of the people who worked really hard on all the information and research that made that possible don't get any credit. Yeah. But on the other hand, that kid just got an instant, like, explainer. If it's correct. If it's correct. That also confused me, though, because they said they would build it every time on the fly. Yeah. Yeah. There has to be some sort of like that's a pretty normal question. Well, it's based on your specific query. But like, let's say your query is how does a black hole work? Yeah. There's more than one person searching that every day.

1:11:36Like, why are you rebuilding that every time? That has to be wasteful. Like, why not just give a token to the website?

1:11:41Marques Brownlee:That's probably true. But there's such a long tail of unique Google searches every single day. I think what they're thinking is in in such a specific query, which is like how what would it look like if a black hole the size of a peanut collided with Manhattan? And it's like, boom, here's a simulation of that, which I don't know, maybe three people Google that every day. I don't know how many people say that, but there's like a ton of unique versions of that question that it can build a tailored animation just to help you with because they have TPU.

1:12:08Andrew Edwards:I've been trying to Google what is the largest U.S. data center by power consumption, like by megawatts. And it gave me a list, right? Which seems like it's fine. The top five answers are hallucinations on the list. So it's just like, what's the point of this?

1:12:23Marques Brownlee:I think these are more in like longer, well-established. Like if this is something I found too, like when you ask questions to Google about like current events or recent information or recently updated things, it gets it wrong all of the time. Yeah. But if you ask it something about like a 10 year old science theory or like an animal that everyone's been writing books about or something that's not like current events or brand new, then you'll get stuff that's pretty locked in rock solid it's the black hole stuff it is strange it feels like Google searches they're kind of just trying to nudge people towards the process of using a Gemini search chat like a Gemini chat as opposed to searching things anymore ok Google AI Studio now you can build full Android apps from scratch with a prompt and you can publish them directly to the Play Store, which means we're going to get a lot of slop apps that are terrible.

1:13:16Marques Brownlee:Slop apps, here they come. So many. Next IO, they're going to brag about how many new apps were created. Guarantee it. This is so bad. They should not let you publish these to the Play Store. Well, yeah, will they need a bar of being approved? Because Google has a famously lower bar of being approved. Apple, it'll be like, oh, yeah, you can use code to make apps. But it's not like I hit a button and it generates an app from scratch and then I submit it and it's in the store already. There's at least some threshold to quality. Does that mean they're going to have to hire like 50 times as many approvers?

1:13:44Yeah.

1:13:45Marques Brownlee:Yeah. Yes, it does. They're going to have AI. Yeah. They're just going to have one AI ticket. Oh, true. They're just solving their own problem. That's true. Hey, Gemini, is this good enough? You made it. Also, I tried this yesterday and it did not work. Really? Yeah. I mean, the app that's on your Android phone is not out yet, but they have like a web version of the AI studio thing and it just like wasn't doing the thing. Cool.

1:14:06David Imel:What was the app you tried to make? I forgot. Wait, let me look it up. Do people really have this many app ideas all the time? Well, okay. That's what I want. Mine was a dumb idea. I can't even think of a cool dumb idea right now. I think that what a lot of people might do in the future is like there are a lot of apps that are paywalled. And if you're just like, I want a calorie tracker app. So stealing. Yeah. That's what all this is. It's all stealing. It's all stealing. It's all stealing. And it's also people want,

1:14:37Marques Brownlee:a lot of people want apps that are specifically tailored to them. So like there's a bunch of generic versions of apps that do something. I won't say his name, but I have a teammate who's like, I want an app that can like tell me specifically if I need to wear sunscreen today. And all it does is intake, like how long I'm gonna be outside, what the weather is, what my skin tone is and all these other things. And so just like, there's no app that does that. So just build me the app and then I'll just do it for you. where you could probably find an app that does like two thirds of what you're asking, but then is the developer going to do the extra feature you want?

1:15:10Marques Brownlee:I don't know. So just it's, or maybe you want a task manager app and there's a certain feature. Oh, I just want it to be like this, but also with this extra reminders thing, whether it's geotagged and it reminds me to do something when I get to a certain place, whatever. I want an app just for me. Then this is your way of making an app just for you. So like why put it on the Play Store? I don't know, but that's why I see people making apps.

1:15:31Andrew Edwards:Adam made us local frame IO. that's just like video player big clock add comments export comments as csv it's perfect that's something that

1:15:40Marques Brownlee:just for us we would use it we would never put it on the play store or whatever but like it's useful I mean one thing that's cool about this too is that you can export the app and send it to just friends and family without putting it on the play store so I think that's like sort of interesting idea of making like family apps or friends apps and stuff like that oh it's not bubbles never mind wait can we do group challenges turn the bubbles i found my um my apt idea from yesterday and it also this is a late episode did they even test this because this goes back to an issue i've been having so on fitbit they have meditation minutes and if you try to meditate for 10 minutes with a pixel watch it'll vibrate on your wrists for the entire 10 minutes so that you know to breathe along with it it's like breathe in oh my god breathe out like they got way too cute with it i just want a timer that will vibrate at the end of 10 minutes to let me know you're done hopefully tanks the battery life too probably but they don't have that so i tried to have ai studio build it for me and instead it built me an interactive dashboard where i can play with a fake pixel watch 3

1:16:49David Imel:which is technically really impressive but not useful at all build a timer you said build a 10 minute timer and it said what? I think because I said for my Pixel Watch 3 it freaked out and it built a whole other thing.

1:17:03Marques Brownlee:You might be onto something though with the group fitness challenges.

1:17:06David Imel:Can we finally have our own group fitness challenges? This is something we've wanted.

1:17:10Marques Brownlee:Well I think we should. This is the perfect ideal for us. We should be able to build a multi-platform group fitness challenges app. So that in our studio we can distribute it among us and we can use whatever wearable we want. and it'll normalize all of our stats, calories, steps.

1:17:28David Imel:I can make it so I always be market.

1:17:30Marques Brownlee:No, that's... I will look in your code. I will inspect your code with my agent to find out if you're cheating. Agent, look at his code. Yeah. Pure reviewed.

1:17:40David Imel:Anti-gravity, look at his anti-gravity. Pure reviewed. Okay. Google pics. We referenced this at the beginning. What a transition. Can you stop, Google? Can you stop? Google Photos, Google Pics, Google Images.

1:17:55Marques Brownlee:They literally, they showed the slide. They're like, this is Google Pics. And I was like, are you sure you want to name it? Sure. Why are you doing this? This is a new text and hover image editing tool. Basically, it's sort of similar to, we talked about Google Books a little bit last week, how you can sort of like hover the mouse cursor over things and it sort of intelligently knows what you want to do with it. That's not Google Books. That's the Google Book. That's the, right. Because Google Books is. That's me confused with Google Books. Yeah, Google Books. Which is Kindle. Yeah, it's the Kindle thing.

1:18:24Yeah.

1:18:26Andrew Edwards:That's books on the Google Play Store. Google Books is the online literature database. No, you're thinking of Google Play Books. Yeah, no, no. Google Play Books is the Kindle thing. Isn't the online database literature thing like? That's called Google Books. Is it? Yeah. Okay. Then there's also Google Scholar.

1:18:42Marques Brownlee:Scholar.

1:18:42Andrew Edwards:That's what I was thinking.

1:18:43Marques Brownlee:Google Scholar is also different. That's another thing. That's all the papers and research and PDFs. This is untenable.

1:18:50Andrew Edwards:Do you know the one? It's called Google Get F***ed.

1:18:57Anyway, so it's this text and hover image editing tool. Basically, you take an image in and you can say like, zoom out and it'll like add extra. It's a photo editor. It's a photo editor. Why is it separate from? Why is it separate from Gemini? This is my question about every single one of these f***ing products.

1:19:14Andrew Edwards:Imogen is a Google DeepMind product. They're on Imogen 4 now. Yeah. I'm sorry I was making another punt because you said you can take an Imogen which is true Imogen is actually a separate Google product yes correct but yeah why do they have 50 of these?

1:19:34David Imel:Why is this not in Google Photos? why don't they just say

1:19:36Marques Brownlee:as we were watching it I was like so is this going to be built into Google Photos or is this separate? Google Picks is separate from Google Photos which is separate from Google Analytics or literally they can just say Gemini can now do this other thing now. I don't understand. Why are they spitting them off into a ton of different products? Because this team is in a different building. I mean, last year at IO they announced this big product and they sunset it last month. I bet you within a year, 80 % of these are going to be shut down.

1:20:03David Imel:Do you think the people who make the Google logos are just like check, finally finished my backlog. And then they look at the 25 new names that pops out of Google IO and they're just like, oh my god. They go to Thesaurus and they look at photo and they're like, what other products do we use for every single thesaurus? Okay. Okay, they have Google Stitch and Google Flow now. They already had these, I guess, but they're updated. Stitch was a website builder, and now it's updated. And yeah, it can build new websites in real time. And then Google Flow allows creators to edit 16 video scenes simultaneously, but there's also Google Flow Music, which can take like they gave it an example of they played a piano riff and the guy was like what would this piano riff sound like if there was a bass guitar and a singer it was just another insane demo

1:20:54Marques Brownlee:that somehow has a name and a product yeah

1:20:58David Imel:which you should just be able to put the audio clip in Gemini and say do this we're getting to the point in IO where they kept cutting to the audience and I've never seen a group of people who were more bored like the amount of just looking down at phones that happened by at minute 90 it was rough that's

1:21:17Marques Brownlee:really funny yeah i meant to bring that up they kept cutting to the audience like every 30 seconds and and the first 20 minutes of the show they were cheering for stuff and they were pretty pumped and sundar would be like and a trillion tokens and they'd be like wow by minute 70 they would have like pause for applause on the teleprompter you could tell and it would just be a few seconds of silence and then and then they would just move on and you'd cut to the crowd and they'd just be like on their phones trying to figure out what's going on. There was one point where the presenter said, and you can clap for this.

1:21:50And I was like, oh, that's painful. All right. Basically, last thing. Oh, no, because we'll get to the glasses. But last thing here with the app and search overhauls, SynthID and C2PA. You don't know what C2PA is. It's content credentials. We made a dedicated video on the studio channel about it that is also tied in with an M11P video. You can go watch that if you want to know more about it. But SynthID is Google's AI watermarking feature where basically every piece of AI-generated content that they make has like an invisible watermark in the metadata that other AI can, well, that previously only Gemini could read.

1:22:27And it would tell you whether or not something was AI. They're expanding that significantly to basically every company, which is really good. Like that's something that's very important it's very ironic that they're creating the exact thing that you now have to check there was a part where I think it was Sundar was like only one in four people can tell when a piece of content is AI generated and that's why we made SynthID

1:22:55Marques Brownlee:it has like the same shades of like we've made this smartphone extremely like addictive and so we have this digital well being feature that you can use to use your phone less so like oh yeah we we've made this ai generated content extremely realistic and so now we've developed another ai to help you decide if it's real or not yeah i think

1:23:16David Imel:a perfect example of what we talked about before is like the problem with this is we created the tool that can spread a ton of misinformation but also the tool that can prove its misinformation the problem is is the 10 million people who saw the misinformation a hundred thousand of them might see the watermark the sony tweet that you said before that had 13 million views the follow-up tweet that explained it a little more had 300 000 views like people aren't looking for the update they're reading the title watching the image seeing the video and now that is fact and to be

1:23:47Marques Brownlee:clear it's also always in the context so this is a it's not a visible watermark it's basically buried in an invisible form so that when you scroll past this on your feed you aren't thinking oh, let me go drag this and check this to see if it's AI or not. When you just see it in your feed randomly, you're not in the context of thinking, is this AI or not? So it just doesn't get checked. Which is why, and this is the first time I'm ever saying this and the last time I will ever say it, Meta actually had a good idea. And on Instagram, they put the AI info thing, although AI info is terrible verbiage, and they should just have edited with AI or modified with AI or generated with AI.

1:24:26But that was f***ing up, because if you used Photoshop at all, it would say AI info, which is all broken. But the platforms themselves need to support Synth IDE. Another rare statement.

1:24:37Marques Brownlee:To Twitter's credit, now this is where it gets weird, they tried to implement this thing where it auto-detects if the image or attaching is made with AI or not. And if it is, then it adds a little tag so that in the feed as you're scrolling, you don't have to think about it. It'll just say made with AI. Unfortunately, there's a ton of false positives. And I uploaded images that are not made with AI, that it just tags them as made with AI. So I'm not sure how it's reading that, if it's just trying to look at the image and decide, or if it's using C2PA or some combination of that. I don't know, but there's a ton of false positives.

1:25:07Andrew Edwards:It needs to go a step further, not to bandwagon off that. It can't just be like accurate, reliable synth ID usage. It needs to be like, it can't be like a black box. because when you have these platforms that are acting as publishers, if hypothetically there's a politician that the owner of Twitter does not like, there's nothing stopping them from just slapping the AI-generated label on all of their content.

1:25:30David Imel:Or the other way around, on there's something as AI-generated from the one they do like and taking it away.

1:25:35Marques Brownlee:Yeah. The only reason it has to be a black box is because of bad actors, like outside bad actors who want to abuse and show things on the feed and get through the algorithm without the tag. Well, that's why C2PA has a trail that you can actually follow. Like when something has content credentials on it and you pull it into like the content credentials checker thing, it shows you every edit that's been added and when that edit happened. But I don't think that SynthID has that. It just tells you if it's been made with AI or not. But either way, it is really good that a ton of services are picking up on SynthID.

1:26:08It's just very ironic that it's basically like Google's like, look at all this slop that you can make and trick people. And then there was also they had a bunch of influencers like baked digital twins of themselves with Gemini Omni. I did not like that. It was so weird. Like they had a Disney adult basically talking about her favorite Disneyland foods. And then they had her climbing a rock. And it was just very it was very like it was just creepy and weird. And we shouldn't do that. Slop generators.

1:26:42Andrew Edwards:Before we move on, away from AI products and towards wearables. I can't wait until we move on. I just want to say, I think we're going to see a lot more of this over the next year because there's so much like circular money in the AI space and there's so much money committed to these data centers. I did finally find a list. And the most important number is that like right now in the US, we have about 18 gigawatts operational. In the next like 10 years, we're planning on building 334 gigawatts. For perspective, one gigawatt is about as much as a large nuclear power plant produces. And so like all of the companies like burning through these tokens for a large part are doing this on like subsidized money because companies like NVIDIA are funding these like startups that are then buying tokens with the NVIDIA money.

1:27:35Andrew Edwards:So all the companies like Google that have are starting to. What do they say? Like their declarations of intent to like spend all this money on data centers. They need to find customers that they are not paying. Right. And like fast, because otherwise, like the dates, these starting construction dates are going to start coming around and they're not going to have the cash flow to, again, build hundreds of times of the electricity. You know, like I mean, OpenAI in particular. Right. They have basically said, oh yeah, our numbers don't make sense, but next quarter we're going to add 350 billion new users.

1:28:14Andrew Edwards:Yeah, so we're going to see just tons and tons and tons of these AI product cases and just a desperate attempt of like, hey, can you please, please buy some tokens that we didn't pay you to buy? Right.

1:28:28David Imel:Have you guys ever heard of the term Ponzi scheme? It seems really familiar right now. Yeah. The problem right now is they're building so much infrastructure, but they just are not seeing the demand. And they're having a lot of demand, and they're saying, oh, look at all this demand. We need to build the infrastructure. But they're building so much infrastructure because they say the demand is going to scale to that within the next 10 years, but the numbers are not showing that it actually is going to. And that's why Gemini is getting put in every single product because it creates demand that people didn't ask for.

1:29:00And usage. That's what I mean, yeah. Like artificial demand. Getting rid of the thing you're actually using and replacing it with the AI overview and then being like, look at all the people that are using AI overview. Yeah.

1:29:11Marques Brownlee:They actually clearly did that on stage where they were like, yeah, we've never had as many people using AI mode in Google search. And I was like, because I've mostly been using it by accident. Yeah. Well, that sounds good. It like automatically AI modes for you. Yeah. So obviously we have a lot of usage.

1:29:26Andrew Edwards:This year, this year, we've seen a record number of people fall down the stairs. Coincidentally, we removed all handrails. Yeah. Yeah, it's, Allison Johnson wrote a really good piece of The Verge right before Google I.O. about how Gemini is getting way too close to being like in your face a little too much. Like at first, it was like, oh, I can use Gemini for that. But now that they've put Gemini in every single Google product, the logo is everywhere. It's like, do you want to do that with Gemini? You want to do that with Gemini? You want to do that with Gemini? Dude, opening a Google Doc, it just like surrounds your doc.

1:29:56David Imel:There's something at the bottom of our page right now I've never seen before. It's a new little toolbar. Describe any changes you want to make. It tries to like edit your document for you. There's the Gemini logo in the top right where you can do the same thing.

1:30:07Marques Brownlee:Dude, if you open Google Docs, it's just like they are really trying to use like as much AI as possible. It's in the top right corner. It's in the bottom corner. Because they have to glow about how much people are using Gemini at the next Google I.O. Yeah. It's their whole thing. Yeah. Anyway. OK. We're going to talk about the smart glasses now. Yeah. So we can talk about the glasses. The last bit really with the glasses is they saved it for near the end, but they unveiled that they would have what they called audio glasses. Yeah. But it's essentially the same product as Meta's Ray-Bans, but with Google's AI and Gemini instead.

1:30:39Marques Brownlee:Yeah. So with Warby Parker, I think, and Gentle Monster, they have like these two form factors of these glasses with cameras on the front, with speakers, with microphones, with the compute on them. And you can talk to Gemini, which of course is linked with your phone and can do a bunch of things like deploying agents and all that fun stuff that they talked about through the whole keynote. You can do all of that with just wearing the glasses. Yeah. So, yeah, I don't know why they're called audio glasses. Maybe because... Because now they're going to have to screen. They're going to have to screen glasses.

1:31:06Marques Brownlee:So audio is the main way that you're interacting with Gemini, since there is no display. They will, for sure, at some point have a monocular and binocular version of, like, a display glasses. Maybe that's what they'll call them in the future. They said next year. So that'll be coming. Visual glasses. Yeah. But, yeah, these are the audio glasses. And they are, I guess, in collab with Samsung and Wear OS. where Android XR and Android XR yeah Gemini they had some cool demos actually though they had the lady come out and she was she had the glasses on and she was like hey can you direct me to that place that I went with Allison last week and it knows exactly where that was and I think that's kind of cool and then it's like do you want to stop for your cold brew on the way that you usually get which I thought was kind of interesting again making more money for the advertisers everything is like

1:31:54David Imel:how do I get your credit card information how do i prompt google is a phishing scam at this point like just everything they do just wants me they want my credit card information yeah for sure yeah and then um as she's like walking there it's like she's like oh hey can you can you order it for me so it's ready when i get there and then it agentically uses her phone and like taps through the things and uses doordash to like order it for her which i was like i guess nobody's gonna be talking to the baristas anymore it's like what happened with starbucks when starbucks introduced their app yeah and it's like tons of people will be waiting in line and then people will just come in and get their coffee because they had to prioritize the mobile orders because it was a new feature that they needed people to use and it was probably most of their business it was it probably still is most of their

1:32:39Marques Brownlee:business yeah i feel like we had it we had that happen to us remember i don't remember where we were yeah i remember this some event where like we were at the front of the line for a solid five minutes and no barista talked to us or even acknowledged us as they just went back and forth making mobile orders yeah and people walked in picked up their food and left and we were at the front of the line for like several minutes order in the store yeah i'm so tired of every drive

1:33:01David Imel:through are using the app today i would tell you if i was using the app today please just take my order yeah i don't know why it has to ask me every single time i forget that they have apps for for fast food now that's great which is fine i think that's like i don't have a problem i don't use them but i don't have a problem with them but you don't you can just say hello i use some apps but the drive-thru should first say we're getting we're now what can i get for you or like how are you today and then i could say oh i have an order on the app yeah and then they'd give you a few yeah something i don't think that google is quite prepared for is so there's a lot of negativity around the metaglasses you know because people in general hate ai but people especially hate being filmed without their consent that's the main thing and then stuff being put online about it and i've seen there's clips of people who are like people like hey are those metaglasses are you recording me right now are you blah blah and google basically went through this with google glass 1.0 because they didn't put a recording indicator on the front i really really really hope that they're dictating that every android xr glass device needs to have a recording indicator they didn't talk much about it they didn't it's got to i hope so but i just am a little bit worried that the more because right now there's basically the metaglasses and that's basically it there's like some other smart glasses but nobody uses that ones yeah but like nobody buys those so i'm a little concerned that like once because the android ecosystem of smart glasses which will be a ton of companies at some point once those come out no everyone's gonna be like am i being recorded right now all the time right because at least when someone picks up their phone and records you it's obvious to you yeah but the amount of unwanted recording is going to go way up and the sentiment around ai glasses is going to go way down i wonder if i mean i don't

1:34:47Marques Brownlee:know if they would do this but i wonder if it's possible for google to add some sort of a require a hardware requirement i would assume i think xr glasses so it's like if you want to use android xr you must have insert minimum resolution here insert red cameras here insert like

1:35:03Andrew Edwards:indicator recording light yeah that would be neat yeah i hope so it should be also when the glasses are recording when you didn't ask them to anytime that sensor is detecting light period

1:35:17David Imel:period a light should be which is something that feels obvious pixels do right or is it androids do where like you can have the indicator come on that any single time that the microphone or the camera is turned on there is an indicator in your status yeah that's an android feature so i hope android xr has that as well yeah yeah um weirdly enough like when meta released the ray-bans and they were trying to get you to use the ai features and like literally nobody uses them i always thought that the ai stuff was stupid uh but that's mostly because i don't trust meta and i don't trust meta ai but because you use google all the time i actually see a lot of use cases where i have a thought about because i i take photos about things and then search them all the time so being able to do that and knowing it's google on the back end i feel a lot more confident in it so i would actually probably use this type of product a lot yeah uh the problem is the cameras

1:36:10Marques Brownlee:yeah it depends on how how plugged in you're willing to be and like imagine imagine the magic moment where you don't even have a display but someone texts you and goes hey remember that picture from the crane on top of Marquez's Tesla and you're like and the assistant on your glasses goes do you want to just send them a picture and it doesn't even show you the picture do you trust it that much

1:36:30David Imel:do you trust it that much it's like Misto's replied what the f*** why would you send me that well imagine you ask your glasses to buy you your cappuccino and you get there and you've got like a triple deluxe ham sandwich or something, you know? Yeah. I mean, you gotta take a picture of it with your experience.

1:36:51Andrew Edwards:Or like worse, all of the stuff you just said works on the first try and then you're just this weird meat vessel for a Google data center somewhere. Which is exactly what they want. Like picture like, then like a few days later be like, yo, thanks for sending me that pic. And you're like, I don't know what you're talking about. I just wear the glasses for control. you just arrive at the coffee shop you pick up your food like why am i here because it just suggests you things non-stop and you just say yes or no it's like turn left you're like why am i turning where am i going coffee shop i feel like a lot of these tech companies used to try to solve problems and now they're just both no i feel like they're trying to like guide user behavior instead of answer 100 our issues 100 have any of you guys seen star trek 2 Wrath of Khan yeah it's like the brain worm thing like it is there's this weird thing where

1:37:42Marques Brownlee:like I think a lot of tech companies believe that people don't know what they want until you show it to them which was true for a long time in a lot of things but now with these convenience features it's almost like you're guiding people along with things that come on you definitely want this you definitely want us to to order that thing for you and like direct you to the thing that you usually do and it just becomes like you start just following along the AI instead of making your own decisions. And they want you to do that because then they can go to advertisers and say hey we can sell your product to people.

1:38:16Look how good we are. You shouldn't use meta. You should use Google Shopping.

1:38:19Andrew Edwards:And then it'll all have been worth it. Yeah. And then all the AI investment will be worth it. Okay. Are we old? Yeah.

1:38:28David Imel:Okay. This whole time I've been like I hit there's the line. We hit it. I'm the boomer now. Like kids are going to be like you just get with the time gramps and like this is the line that i'm not with the times it's weird because a lot of like in my life i feel like i'm perfectly in the middle of regular people and then very much technology people and everyone on the technology side seems to be very excited for the ai and then everyone in my regular life is like this is the worst thing ever it's gonna kill us so we we kind of like toe that line and i feel myself going i'm excited for it but i'm scared I can be flip-flopping all over.

1:39:06Yeah, I feel the same way.

1:39:07David Imel:I'm optimistic about AI while totally f***ing sick of what's going on with it right now. And exhausted by it. I want to make videos about like, you know, AI stuff on my channel, but not like AI AI. I want to make videos about like - Top five prompts to - No, not like that. I want to make like theoretical thought-provoking videos. The 15 agents I deployed this week. Yeah. More like what happens if this AI thing works and what does that say about society, whatever. AI does kind of all get lumped together. That's the problem.

1:39:39Marques Brownlee:Into one big AI. Yeah. So if there are little pieces of it that are great, like the tools we talk about all the time that we may use, whether it's like, oh, we got to make a little frame IO that's for us that has special features, or even just help me cut something out of Photoshop easier, that gets lumped into the same AI as all the chatbots and all the other things that are happening and all the AI on the glasses. and it's all AI, so it's all has this label. So it just kind of gets locked. It's like the same AI that lets you generate a useful widget on Android to help you track your run and how many things you're going to do before the marathon gets lumped into all the rest of the things that you've heard about AI for the past hour.

1:40:14Marques Brownlee:Right. Yeah, that's a problem.

1:40:15David Imel:We've been talking for way more than an hour. Yeah.

1:40:18Andrew Edwards:I think a lot of people just feel really insulted given how many like serious flaws there are in the world right now, like climate change being a big one. Yeah. When people like Google and Meta come out and be like, no, but the biggest thing we need to solve is like, how do we get your Google Docs to write themselves? And take your job. And we're going to do the worst thing America has done to the environment in 50 years to accelerate this.

1:40:42Marques Brownlee:You know, they actually had a very, very, very brief section about weather models with AI. Yeah. that was super interesting because weather models right now are just throwing a ton of compute at a ton of data from all over the country and trying to decide what the weather is going to be and how potentially dangerous weather could happen in certain places and trying to get as accurate as possible. And just from all the research I've been doing about weather models, these AI models kind of came out of nowhere and are immediately surpassing these ancient models that we've been using forever. and it's like, holy shit, this is super useful for determining whether there's going to be dangerous storms in these places.

1:41:19Marques Brownlee:And they just kind of breezed over that and moved to the next thing. Because it was a re-announcement. It's been around for a year, basically, since they started doing it. But that's the type of stuff that could make awesome headlines, super useful, really great stuff. They also had this very brief thing at the beginning where they're like, we're going to cure all disease. And then they just moved on. Yeah, right.

1:41:41Andrew Edwards:Like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, what? And I think the proof that all that is nonsense was in that in the open AI Tesla Elon court case when in like all those internal emails that got released at no point where Sam and Elon emailing each other like, guys, we're about to cure all disease. Like we should just put our differences aside and cure all disease. No, the whole time they're like, this is going to take over the world. I want to be the guy that's the super billionaire running the world. Like, yeah, like they don't even believe it's going to cure all disease. It's just something they say.

1:42:14But this is all this is what Google has been doing for a decade. This is what their AI teams were working on. It's just that when ChatGPT came out and everyone was like, well, we could get money. They started turning it all into consumer products. And now we are where we are. Yeah. But they've had these alpha fold tools. They've had the weather models. They've been doing this. Yeah. And it was just that they would work very quietly in the background with the people who it mattered for. Yeah. And now they're trying to tell us all what it matters for. Yeah. As soon as ChatGBT launched, they were like, oh, we have to make AI the main consumer product instead of just using it as a background tool.

1:42:50Because that's, to your point, Marques, about the weather models just being updated with AI features, what they used to do and what Apple used to do would just be like, look at this awesome tool that you actually can have a use for. It's powered by machine learning. But they would actually tell you what was useful about it, and now everything's just a demo of something that you could do but you would never do.

1:43:09Marques Brownlee:They do it like the other way around where they're like, we have this new feature it's called AI, blah. Yeah. And you're like, oh boy, another thing. Instead of look at this cool thing, it can do this. It uses AI to do it. It's a machine, yeah. Yeah. I think that's the problem with like these hot words, these words that just get super hyped and there's like no nuance in them, you know, like big data or like internet of things or like they just call it under this giant umbrella and there's no nuance underneath it. Do you know what word is?

1:43:38David Imel:does live up to the hype, my brain is... Sorry. Sorry. Trivia. What is that? Thanks.

1:43:45Andrew Edwards:You were ready, though. You were ready. You knew where I was going. There's two musics playing at once. That was great. That hurt my brain. I'm so stressed right now. Yeah, this has been a really rambly episode. It's really hot. It was a rambly... I mean... Anyway, let's just get into trivia. Let's just get into trivia. I'm about to crash out. Two more words could have led to another... This is going to be the hardest to edit of all time. Which of the following is not a real Google project? Firebase. Bazal. Angle. Apache Beam. How do you spell Bazal? B-A-Z-A-L. Bazal? Sure. Like Art Bazal?

1:44:24David Imel:Well, that's E-L. That would be how like a tech company making Bazal would spell it. That's an I though. Well, no. I know I'm saying that you spell different. It's also an S. Yeah. I think it would just be B-A-Z-L.

1:44:39Marques Brownlee:B-Z-L, actually, Brian. You're right. Damn. Well, we'll think about it. And just at the end, like usual, we'll be right back. Damn. Damn.

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1:46:28They put it in a little Android developer blog, but Wear OS 7 officially got announced, which for those that don't know is the OS that runs on your Google smartwatch. There's some high level stuff here. There's some stuff that's good. I'm just going to run through it really quickly. They're adding flexible and dynamic Wear widgets. So now they support new card layouts, which align very well for the mobile format. So they look the same on your phone and on your watch, which is good. You have live updates on your watch. so if you know live updates like Uber or whatever that can sort of show you how close your car is you can now show that on your watch or sports or sports yeah like Arsenal winning the Premier League which is crazy that they didn't have that on the watch before because it seems like that'd be the best place to look at it but you know whatever app functions allows developers to integrate their apps with agents so people can complete tasks using their voice that's helpful task automation users can invoke and track task automation like asking your phone to order dash for you now you can see that on your watch so previously you would like ask your pixel to order dash for you and you would see it happening on your phone but you wouldn't be able to know what was happening in real time on your watch now you can see the steps it's taking on on your watch to make sure if it's accidentally ordering you like a car off of amazon instead of your burrito you can stop it which is good uh workout tracker there is now a rich standardized workout tracking experience that includes heart rate monitoring, media control, and other things.

1:47:55So now if you're making a fitness app, there's a standardized layout that you can use to make sure that the watch app looks good. So if you just made the app for Android, you don't have to completely redesign a separate watch app. You can just use Google's standardized one, which is cool. There are enhanced system media controls. So there is per app media auto launch controls, which means that if you open Spotify, like on your phone, the media controls with like playback and like pause, forward, back, up, down, volume, stuff like that. So Android. Yeah, so now if you, it's like if you open YouTube Music, it doesn't show up on your watch, but if you open Spotify, it does show up in your watch because they want to give you as much control as possible, I suppose.

1:48:34There's also an audio output switcher on the watch now. So if you have your phone connected to multiple sources, you say you wanted to come out of the kitchen or you want to come out of the bedroom, you can switch it from your watch, which is helpful. And then they made, they updated watch face format, which is a way to make watch faces. Now it's watch face format five. There's enhanced alignment options, auto size enhancements, blend modes, stroke joints, and hierarchical settings. That's about it.

1:49:01David Imel:Type.

1:49:03Marques Brownlee:I'm going to use maybe one of those.

1:49:05David Imel:Yeah. It's so funny because that's something that would have been so good visually on a screen on a stage that they had for two hours. Which is why I feel like they shouldn't even have done the Android show. They should have just made it half of IO and then done the Gemini stuff. Yes, so then at an hour in, we could all leave. And then they could talk about Gemini. But the retention. Yeah. Did you want to talk about this camera thing? I'm going to talk about it for five seconds. I thought you might know more about it, but whatever. Yeah, I was in the wilderness. Panasonic Lumix L10. I saw this because on the X106 subreddit, someone posted it like, oh, is this the new X100 competitor?

1:49:41David Imel:It seems like it's way more of a RX100 type competitor. but I then looked at it and the coolest thing about this is how the lens comes out it's like a lens cap that is built into the camera and it opens up like a little tri gate yeah it's got three flaps yeah it looks like the like something in like indiana jones where they had to like shove a relic into a big stone door to open it and it opens in these like three flaps and then the zoom lens comes out of it yeah anyways it's a small like compact point and shoot camera it looks pretty cool uh petapixel has a whole review on it if you actually care about it but the way it comes out looks really cool yeah that's all i have hopefully you don't drop it while it's open and then break one of the hinges off yeah to be fair dropping most cameras in that option would that be in a rough spot and to be fair the flaps aren't that important they just kind of act as like a dust protector yeah the gold color looks pretty sweet yeah it does cool okay most important thing.

1:50:41Marques Brownlee:Alright. So now that you guys have made it this far into the podcast, I know that you're real fans. You made it this far past all the rambling and all the stuff that we've talked about. And so instead of hitting with the code word in the comments, this is a great time to share with you something that we're really proud of that is maybe the coolest thing we've ever done. So you guys know the Marble Olympics, like the Jealous Marble Run YouTube channel? Jealous or Jels? I only know about this because you guys talk about it all the time. you've probably it's come across your feet at some point in the last decade they're kind of iconic I don't know if it has they're awesome they have essentially like a bunch of different events it's like marble olympics like a bunch of different events that they can run and they all compete against each other they have sponsors yeah these marble teams have sponsors

1:51:30David Imel:I think you undersold it a little these well there's a lot of them the marble events like there are sprints there's hurdles there's like like Javelin, there's everything you could imagine. There's Marbula One, which has full-blown, like attempted track recreations in a marble run where each marble is representing a different driver in Formula One. And they do qualifying beforehand. Like it's completely out of this world with incredible, like they have the timing metrics and everything now for everyone. Anyways, yeah, it's awesome.

1:52:04Marques Brownlee:It's exactly what you're picturing. we decided we'd love to get involved and instead of just sponsoring one team we decided every channel that we run should have a team so that we can root for them so here on the Waveform Podcast we do have a sponsored marble team we do the Solar Flares are the Waveform team

1:52:26Andrew Edwards:we're like an OG gels marble run team Solar Flares have been competing for at least five years if not like way longer yeah

1:52:33Marques Brownlee:it's the waveform bro it's awesome we need their rookie card yeah we are we are we are proudly sponsoring that marble team here at waveform but that also means the autofocus channel is also involved they are sponsoring the plasma team the studio channel is sponsoring the primary team I believe the studio channel's team has already been relegated yeah they got relegated that was fast yeah they had some poor performances early and the MKBHD team the blackjacks team is doing really well so so you know now that you've made it this far we highly recommend going over and checking out what those marble teams are up to and rooting for your favorite one maybe you're going to root for the waveform team but you're clearly going to root for the blackjack team I'm going to steal Alex's joke you're part of both of these channels Marquez I know the blackjack team needs to be tested for performance they're doing so well I'm really proud of them

1:53:26David Imel:of course Marquez is so good at everything of course he would pick one of the teams and destroy all of us.

1:53:33Marques Brownlee:It's the Mad Black Marble, man. One thing that Marquez doesn't actually need his competence to do and run, he still wins that. I'm very upset about it. It's a long season, okay? There's a lot of events. So you can still lose. Yeah, for sure. Will you switch teams to our collective team if we start winning? No, I'm going to stick with my team. But, you know, the Waveform team should stick with their team, too. We should watch all these teams. We should watch the events. Some stuff is live, too. You can literally watch them as they happen. They're really exciting. So go check them out. We'll link whatever we can below so you can go support and check out our team's marble runs.

1:54:06David Imel:We will retweet the first person who posts a picture with the Solar Flare marble merch watching Waveform. The Solar Flare. Is that fair? You can buy the team marbles on the gels with. Or you can buy jerseys, I think. That's incredible.

1:54:23Andrew Edwards:Do you guys know who the marbles on the Solar Flare are? I have the team roster pulled up. The names of the marbles? Wait, they have names?

1:54:29David Imel:I forgot. Yo, who's our roster?

1:54:32Andrew Edwards:Coming from the seaside city of Meteorene, the Solar Flares participated in the Stardust Classic and won the Herbatamia Invitational, allowing them and the Gliding Glaciers to be invited to compete in Marble League 2021 qualifiers. We are represented by... Actually, hold on. What am I doing? Get the music on.

1:54:55David Imel:Why am I not even seeing... We are represented by...

1:55:01Andrew Edwards:flare scorch radiance ember and blaze aren't you glad I have that button just like ready to go

1:55:11Marques Brownlee:so we will be big time watching our marbles and supporting them through the rest of the season because it's the most exciting thing we've ever been a part of the main screen in our office is

1:55:22David Imel:either our work calendar or marble run Olympics going on the like 4 hour live streams of it. It's true. Or disc golf too. Yeah, disc golf makes it on there sometimes. That's definitely the bottom.

1:55:35Marques Brownlee:Yeah. So anyway, thank you guys for watching and listening this week. I think it's time for that last segment that we always do. Trivia. Do you have a whiteboard?

1:55:46Andrew Edwards:Oh, you do? Yeah. Guys, I have before me four women's names, specifically Rachel, Mimi, Robin, and Shakira. What line of smartphones had all four of these as code names?

1:56:14Andrew Edwards:You are about to experience things that you can't believe.

1:56:22Marques Brownlee:I've been carried away over here.

1:56:24Andrew Edwards:Behind the trivia music is crazy. There's so many good ones. David, we put this one in the soundboard.

1:56:34that's honestly it sounds exactly like my flex tight printer no no it's guys what'd you put

1:56:39Marques Brownlee:yeah okay all right oh marquez you want to read first i said samsung's a series but i also wanted to point out that there is literally a phone called the robin yeah yeah oh that's good yeah

1:56:52Andrew Edwards:i was thinking that too andrew david you want to read your answers at the exact same time are they not the same answer? Yes, they are. Well, let's say it with the same You said a lineup of phone, correct?

1:57:02David Imel:Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. You said a lineup of phone.

1:57:05Andrew Edwards:Oh my god, you've been back for one day.

1:57:08David Imel:If he said Samsung and it was the A-Series, would you have counted that? Does Sony even make Xperia? They have several Xperias. You just wrote Xperia. They have Xperia 1. They also have Xperia 5. They have Xperia 10. What were the things? I actually was debating putting one or five. But you didn't. Are they both wrong? Well, you just put Sony.

1:57:28Marques Brownlee:Is one of them right?

1:57:31Andrew Edwards:Guys, what even is this? Come on, man. You've been back for one day. Because I was originally thinking of an LG and I was like, do I put the G or V series? Sony Xperia. That's what I meant. How specific are we getting? Okay, look. You haven't told me the answer yet. What are they? What are the four phones? Those are all Sony Xperia phones.

1:57:47David Imel:Xperia what?

1:57:49Andrew Edwards:Xperia. So these are all, these are the first four Xperia phones that ran Android after they switched from Windows phone. So what were the names? The Xperia X10A, the Xperia U20A, the Xperia E10A, and the Xperia E15. Oh, wait, those are the model. Excuse me. The Xperia X10, the X10 Mini Pro, the X10 Mini, and the Xperia X8. It's the same Xperia X. So I could give neither of you the point because neither of you put Xperia X, but I think... What's the score? Is there a Sony phone that's not an Xperia X?

1:58:21Marques Brownlee:I think it sounds like they want to be specific, so they got it all wrong. The question was what line, and it's the Xperia line.

1:58:28David Imel:Yeah, but nobody would have been able to play. I just feel like if you said that line or what company. But Sony only makes Xperia phones.

1:58:35Marques Brownlee:They have more than one line.

1:58:37David Imel:Ellis was going to give both of you a point. He didn't put the other lines. So do we both get it wrong?

1:58:41Marques Brownlee:I don't know. Sony doesn't make non-Xperia phones?

1:58:44David Imel:No.

1:58:44Andrew Edwards:Does Sony make non-Xperia phones? I don't want to.

1:58:47David Imel:It's making me look bad, but I don't know. That feels like a very vague answer. but there's only one

1:58:53Andrew Edwards:I'm just saying I don't know what to do here here's the thing if I give Andrew the point then he's tied with Marquez we get this nice competitive thing and then if I give David the point he's even farther ahead of everyone else I think that should be taken into account I think we should both get points neither of you get a point right now in the comments let us know neither David, Andrew both neither. Now that I said that I lost. Really? What does Gemini say? It was so implied. We'll let the comment section figure this one out. It is so implied. Wow, guys. All right, well, since no points have been awarded.

1:59:33David Imel:Bring Mariah back. Top number one comment. Easy. Andrew, you've officially initiated my grudge.

1:59:40Andrew Edwards:I would like to kick off hour 39 of this podcast episode with an update to the score. Andrew, you are carrying the one with 25 points, maybe 26. We'll see. Marquez, you are just ahead of him with 26 actual real points. And David, you are still far in the lead with 29 points. There was a point

2:00:02David Imel:where I was like double both of their scores put together.

2:00:06Andrew Edwards:No, you did start this season with a huge, usually we're also so overdue for an extravaganza. Yeah, like significantly. Question number two, which of the following is not a real Google project? A. Firebase. B. Buzzall. C. Angle. Or C. Apache. Or D. Sorry. Apache Beam.

2:00:27Hmm. Hmm.

2:00:31Andrew Edwards:What do you guys think?

2:00:35Andrew Edwards:Apache Beam. Boy, like... It's so hot in here. Flip him and read. What do you got? Thank you.

2:00:47Marques Brownlee:Wow, okay. I'm different again from the other two. I said B-Bazal. Wrong. That is a real answer.

2:00:55David Imel:I spelled it wrong. I think the spelling is B-A-Z-E-L. Like basil? That's not how you spelled it before, was it? That's not how you pronounced that. Oh, I don't know. Basil. You spelled it B-A-Z-E-A. Okay, Bazale, Bazale. Tomato, tomato. It's their own build tool. Sony Experia. Yeah. Their what tool? it's a build tool that has built in support for building both client and server software and then we said what does that even mean i don't i don't know bro i don't know this is on their page google open source all right all right it's called basil we said c is that how you pronounce it yeah you said bizarre i thought that was real but say it's literally called basil it's well it was well what adam said wasn't real exactly that's why i should get the point

2:01:38Marques Brownlee:No, but it was real. It's a real thing. Bazal is not real. Well, I've never heard this spoken out loud. It could very well be Bazal. I googled it. And it's pronounced Bazal? No, it's called Basil. But it's not spelled like Basil. I guess it's a tech company. Yeah, this is how Google pronounces it. Basil.

2:02:00David Imel:What does Google know? Andrew, David, what did you guys put? C. For Angle. I forgot what it was for and I put both to be specific that is and I put an angle alright well this is all going to be determined in the comments because I'm not adding a point on the screen until you guys tell me whether Marquez should get that point or not I feel like I've been robbed again I feel like Bazaal is clearly

2:02:31Marques Brownlee:not real but didn't you just say that you

2:02:34David Imel:you said tell me which one's not real

2:02:37Marques Brownlee:Google Bazaar. And I said, that one's not real. But one of them is very obviously not real. Yeah, but Google. Was it? I was right. There's two correct answers. We'll see. We'll see. Commenters, let us know. Commenters, do your thing. Do your magic. Wow. Okay, there's probably six minutes left on this card, and it's 1 ,000 degrees in here. So thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. And thanks for subscribing. Stay tuned for more of your regularly scheduled programming, but also some bonus programming coming up soon, because we're just that committed to you guys. and if you made it this far comment Bazaar comment

2:03:11David Imel:bring Mariah back

2:03:12Marques Brownlee:they already will

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