Googler I/O: Pixel Fold and Google AI

33:44Whereas Google's trying to be a little more careful because they have a lot to lose and nothing to gain whereas Microsoft has everything to gain and nothing to lose like we said in our video about AI that we have done 20 of them now I don't know which one it was yeah um but basically Google released its version of the its generative AI search today yeah um right at the top yeah right at the top it's pretty interesting how it works uh it's not too dissimilar to Bing you ask a question into Google search and then it writes a generative AI answer. It shows three very prominent links with header images from those links.

34:19They said something like, we know humans and humans always want to look deeper. So they're definitely going to read the articles. And I was like, press X to doubt. Because that doesn't, I feel like a lot of people are just going to search that and then are just going to run away and never come back. But I think one thing that they're trying to do to counteract that is they are doing a thing where they show a lot more human input from the internet now. So instead of just scraping really big main websites and taking that information, they had this feature before where they showed, it's called conversations or something, people talking about that topic all over the internet, sort of like how you put Reddit at the end of a search so you can see actual humans talking about it instead of someone who wrote for an SEO-optimized webpage.

35:07yep um but yeah effectively it's just like it's written by effectively a bard or chat gpt and then you've got all these links on the side it does have material you theming which i found very pretty which is based on a lot of the sites so if you search like what's a better family trip with a with kids and a dog is it bryce canyon or arches national park and then it comes up with this material you themed kind of green because of the national park stuff i don't know it's kind interesting looking i'm still a little bit worried that websites are not going to get nearly they're not gonna get traffic yeah anyway and it can include photos like in there as well so because you could say like um i think their example was like what's the best site seeing in x place and i'll show photos of that so like if it's showing what people are saying about it photos of it and the why would you ever why would you why would you ever click what i need closing my tab now Yeah.

36:01It's just kind of interesting how they focus so much on like using AI responsibly. They did not really mention about how this is just going to kill website traffic and potentially kill websites that it's taking the data from. Like you'd think that if they were going to be slower about this than Microsoft, they would take this more into account because Microsoft got a lot of flock for that. It doesn't seem like they really are. They have some other features. Like there is a follow up button where it generates like potential follow up questions that you have and it'll add it to the search and you can just keep going.

36:35And they have a thumbs up and a thumbs down button, unlike YouTube. So they're clearly not talking to the YouTube team about that. They'll take that away soon before we hurt Bard's feelings. Yeah, but search looks a little different now. Right now, again, this AI-generated search thing is an experimental labs feature as well. Basically, everything that we're going to talk about today with the AI stuff is a labs feature. You can go to g.co slash labs to sign up to try everything, but everything is in beta right now. Sign up for everything. Yeah, you have to sign up for everything. So at least they're seeing how it plays out in the real world before they just unleash it into the world.

37:12but yeah yeah do you guys have thoughts on i feel like it's not that different from our bing conversation because it is effectively the same thing i think very similar there there are some like cool things like adding images and stuff like i still think it's really neat i think it's just like ultimately again it's searching but just being it's it's like the joke we've always everyone makes of like google search is so good at typing in the most random thing in it knowing what you're talking about and now it can just be ultra specific about that rather than yeah if you were looking for Bryce Canyon and what was the other one like Canyonlands or arches and you were trying to figure out if you can bring kids bring a dog if it's easily accessible you would have two separate searches for both the national parks going into and then finding the specific things now it's just telling you all right there I also just am very curious about the accuracy again because the it's like using generative ai for things that are just more uh creative doesn't really matter but when you're doing search and google's entire ethos is we're going to give you information we're going to be accurate about that information i didn't really hear a lot in the keynote about them saying we take accuracy really seriously and this is going to be specifically scraped or whatever from the websites that kind of concerns me i'm i'm very interested to try it I want to try to break it and see how easy it is to break.

38:33That's you won't be alone. Yeah. I don't have specific thoughts, but that did remind me of a story that I'll try to tell really quickly. I was at the studio the other day and I had this memory of something I wanted to reference of something that I saw on a talk show. That was like a robot of like a pink robot thing that I saw once. And I was like, I can't remember what it is. And I started Googling and looking on YouTube of like pink robot talk show, uh, clown robot pink. And I was like putting in every combination of search things and I could not find it. I must've put in 30 different Google searches.

39:08I couldn't find it on Reddit. Couldn't find it on YouTube. And then Jonah said, have you tried asking chat GPT? And then I opened up chat GPT and I asked it and it instantly answered a full sentence with the name of the thing, which I then went to YouTube and searched and found. wait what is it what uh it's called mr blobby it's really stupid i don't ask me why i was like oh my god yeah holy crap this is terrifying john oliver yeah uh no it was on a different see that was the thing i think remember what show i think they've shown this in john i was looking on like no yeah it was tough to find but chat gpt immediately found it and that just had me thinking the whole time of like yeah i'm gonna use bard for a lot of what did you put into chat gpt because something, a conversation we had prior was like, we think in SEO now.

39:56I asked it in natural language, what was the name of the pink robot on that UK talk show? That just came up. And it just was like, oh, you mean, you're talking about Mr. Blobby, right? And it gave me the history and the episode and the host and everything. And searching in SEO didn't really work. Did not, yeah, could not find it. It was really weird, but it worked perfectly and it was impossible with Google or YouTube. Wow. Very strange. Yeah, for the listeners, SEO's search engine optimization, which is basically like keywords. I hope everyone knows. People probably don't. When you work in publishing, you do, but a lot of people don't always know what SEO means.

40:29So anyway, wow, that's crazy. The power of natural language. I do have one more thing about search, but it's more just because there was a point in the way they ended the search conversation that made me feel bad and I didn't like it. And they were going through a whole example of how search and shopping through Bard can be like put together. and essentially they're to go really quick through their example it's like i want a bike i want an e-bike it needs to go this far it needs to be this color so that obviously can answer all those questions and then go one step further where after you make that bike purchase you can start thinking about where you want to ride the bike how if you want to make your what the name for your bike gang but then they mentioned this thing at the end it's like craft me a social media post about me buying my new bike oh and i hated it so much and i just like immediately was thinking of like like the hey google it's my my kid's first day at school write me a facebook post about how proud i am just like are we at this weird point we talk about like void of emotion like are the social are the twitter the tweets i'm gonna read are the skeets on blue sky gonna be like written by bard like where i don't know that that part made me sad every single time we see a feature like this it just reminds me of LinkedIn because LinkedIn's been doing this for years where if someone gets a new job on LinkedIn there'll be a button it'll be like congratulate Marquez on the new job and there'll be a button that says congratulations Marquez I'm so proud of you you tap the button and it posts a comment that says exactly that and that just feels so devoid of any emotion it's like you know how we're writing emails now and we're using like AI to generate longer emails and then when it gets to me I'm like I ain't reading that summarize that for me and it's like what are we doing i was gonna say like the they the examples they give got closer and closer to being personal and with emotion but never crossed the line right oh i would like a refund on my flight like a very functional email yeah or like oh i need to explain something to someone so write this explainer based on this data very functional but they would always like get right up to the line but never cross over just like oh my friend like you know is like really feeling sad like cheer him up and like write an email for me and it would just it could do that too but google never went there but you know people are gonna go the social the social post i think is what felt like crossing that line it's like right on the line because i could see a social post about buying a bike is not super emotional and just like i don't remember the name of the bike but i just want to tell my bike don't you just bought it it's you're but you're making the post because you literally just purchased it like i think that's crossing i It's a little over.

43:07It's a little over. But yeah, they were smart about never crossing it. It's just weird to have AI write social posts. Because then you're just reading robot text all day. Is it a social post? Is that even social? Yeah. What are we doing? I don't know. I can't wait until my bard talks to your bard on Twitter later. The internet is just like firing at all cylinders and we're just like... It's just robots. It's just humans drooling and their robots talking to each other. We're outsourcing our minds. Yeah. Anyway. Do you want to get to products? Oh, yeah. I think let's just go to a product. Let's get right to products.

43:41All right. I want to talk about, let's start with the Pixel 7a. That was the first one. That was the most straightforward one. We have a review up on it now if you want to watch that, get my succinct seven minute thoughts on this product. But here's an extended. Yeah. Not really. Seven minutes for 7a. It happened to be seven minutes, but it is the 7a. Okay. Anyway, the In the Weeds version is now. uh this is a$499 android phone it is a pixel uh so it has the advantages of being a pixel but it is$50 more expensive than last year so number one is okay what's new about this phone uh the pixel 6a was quite good for 449 this one has a 90 hertz display now has new cameras and has wireless charging and so the price goes up a little bit and you're like wow this is a pretty good phone for$499, but it also has the same Tensor G2 and 8 gigs of RAM and 128 gigs of storage as the Pixel 7 that's six months old, which you can also get right now pretty easily for also$499.

44:46And so that became a little bit more weird. So Google's making this whole lineup of Pixels now. We'll get to the Pixel Fold in a second, but you can buy a phone anywhere now between$350, which is where the Pixel 6a stays in the lineup, and$1 ,800, which is the starting price of the Pixel Fold. And somewhere all the way in the middle is, well, you could get a Pixel 7 or a 7a for right around 500 bucks. Which one should you get? 99 times out of 100, I'm going to say get the 7. Even though it's older, it's the same spec. It's going to get software updates for just about as long. It also has faster wireless charging.

45:18It also feels a little bit smoother at 90 hertz for whatever reason uh it's also 90 hertz out of the box although the 7a is 60 hertz out of the box for some reason roughly the same battery life yeah you have to turn it on or something but uh yeah it's it's made of real glass instead of plastic like the 7a glass victus on the screen instead of grill glass 3 exactly so there's just a whole bunch of little things that add up to a better phone at the same price so i would recommend getting the pixel 7 for the same price but the 7a exists now it will probably also drop in price right later um thoughts on the 7a new colors too the colors are hot corral corral corral corals are land exclusive okay uh it's really really good looking they didn't send it to like any press for some reason no i saw some on youtube oh you did yeah oh we didn't have it yeah i was really jealous we got the blue and the black blue looks okay i like the blue yeah yeah the blue's good um a lot of the reviews called it like a pixel 7 by any other name or like i'm seeing double because again they're basically the same phone i think that they are basically the same phone except in every little way that they're not which is the girl of glass three instead of girl of glass victus it's the fact that there's they're basically the same size the 7 and the 7a except there's a little bit more of a chin on the display of the 7a so the screen is technically smaller it's a 6.1 instead of 6.3 i think yep um the wireless charging 7.5 watts doesn't isn't that helpful i think you said in your review that like you can put it on your wireless charger in your car and it doesn't lose battery but it doesn't really gain i gained one percent in 45 minutes yeah not because i was like high brightness navigation not great a whole bunch it's 18 watt wired charging instead of the the 30 watt which i think is more like 25 wired charging of the pixel 7 yeah uh the camera sensor is way better than it was on the 6a because it's how much 40 percent bigger yeah so 72 percent bigger yeah so the 6a had the tried and true 12 megapixel imx 363 that like every pixel for years had and so that was kind of like a safe safe thing yeah this was a new brand new sensor in the 7a which could have 64 megapixel sensor yeah yeah and it's new and you can't actually shoot 64 megapixels it bends down to 16 but it is a larger physically sensor.

47:33So it'll get more light. It will be able to take faster shutter speeds in low light photos. It will be able to take softer depth of field shots in regular lighting and closeup subjects. So it turned out to be better. They did the, I think the processing pretty well. And so that was nice to see. It also has an ultra wide, which had a surprising amount of distortion. I took some ultra wide shots where I was just like, I'm just going to crop in. Like this doesn't look good at the edges. like i do get more but like wow outside of an ultra wide yeah it was shockingly distorted and that seemed like a weird google emission like when i think of google i think of like them making a super ultra wide look not so distorted their software this one didn't do it so maybe i'll fix that later um decent selfie camera yeah i here's a here's a quick a b test uh would you even notice some of these things in phones plastic back versus glass back not on this phone on this phone feels glass sticky kind of like samsung used to do feels really close i hate that you use glastic i'm sorry but it is when i held that phone it felt fine yeah it does just like the glass yeah so that one i didn't mind so much um would you notice 6.3 inch versus 6.1 inch display not really not super yeah would you even necessarily notice the difference between the old 12 megapixel shots and the new 16 megapixel shots i noticed the depth of field difference but i would bet you that regular people would not yeah yeah would you notice seven and a half watt wireless charging versus 20 watt wireless charging 15 20 or 15 it's higher it's about it might be 20 no i think you're right it's 20 i think it's 20 and i would actually it's funny because when you guys just said that before i was like this sounds like a total non-issue yeah like wireless charging wireless charging in your car running high brightness navigation music you stay you don't charge but like wireless charging in your car running all of that like most of my wireless charging is just sitting at my desk or yeah next to my bed to make sure it's full in the morning yeah is it lower minimum brightness um i wasn't able to find that in the spec sheet i don't know about minimum then maximum sorry maximum maximums were 500 i would have to double check yeah but um i wouldn't say that they're dramatically different so yeah this is the thing you wouldn't notice most of these things but i feel like but all together if we're trying to recommend devices to consumers like i would want to educate consumers that like i know this is newer but you can get the same phone but with everything better for basically the same price nine times out of ten yeah so it's like i really want to get a psa out to the general public that like you can buy a pixel 7 and it's a little bit better budget phone of the year the pixel 7 yeah I gave it an award.

50:22Wait. It's like a great phone. You gave phone of the year to Pixel 7? Yeah. Sorry. Phone of the year. Phone of the year. And budget phone of the year. I was like, please don't go into the budget debate again. It's like a really good phone and it's like seven months old. Set it on the screen today. They put it on the screen. It's a good phone. The only other difference is the 7S IP68 versus the 7S IP67. But again, something consumers are not going to. If you really like the colors and you're a regular person and you're not going to notice this thing. One other thing that I don't think is confirmed, but when they were talking about Magic Editor, they said we'll only be available to new phones.

51:00Is Pixel 7 in that list or is only 7a in that list? And that also sounds like something Google would say to hype up the release in the phones coming out in the fall and then let all the phones use it by January. That'd be wild. If 7a only had, well, it's 7a and then 8 and Fold would all have it, but would 7 have it and 7 Pro? It would be hilarious if it didn't. Yeah, but they've done this before. It's the same RAM. They did it with Magic Eraser, didn't they? They said that was when Tensor was out, and they said this will only be available on Tensor, and then six months later, they roll it out to all personal phones.

51:33I can understand it because it was Tensor versus other stuff that didn't have Tensor. And this time it's the same. Right. It's the same phone on the inside. And it's the cheaper phone. That's why they would be available. Yeah, that would be hilarious. But technically, by their wording, I'm pretty sure they said available on new phones, which i assume at this point we're talking about new phones which is stuff they announced and stuff they're gonna announce seven months old interesting wording interesting wording we'll have to see i also think because magic editor was also not coming till fall anyways right so then maybe it won't even be 7a maybe it'll only be oh excellent but then it has to go on the fold later this year did they demo it on the fold they didn't demo it but like how do you not put it on the fold if it's on the right i mean it's gonna eventually come to every android phone through exactly photos anyway exactly yeah because everything eventually gets moved to the google servers and they just let you do it in google photos on their servers yeah we start with that three to six months later yeah yeah so you know pixel 7a is a it's a it's a decent phone it's not quite as like slam dunk deal as maybe it was in the past with the a series and anytime the price goes up inside the a series like bracket people are sensitive to it which is why i think look at the 6a at 349 if you really want like a deal yeah um but yeah that was that was my thought what was 6a msrp when it was 450 i think it was way lower hold on no i think it was 450 because i remember talking about it going up so like how long ago was it because pixel a series started at like 350 the 4a was 350 and it was the best deal of all time we're getting to the point where pixel 4a is like my favorite pixel you're 150 bucks up on that now yeah from the original a series i don't think they can ever put the a over 500 6a was 449 okay yeah at launch yeah so it's 100 bucks off now the 6a now yeah it's pretty good yeah except for the stuttery it's not a good performing phone yeah i got heat for that but let's just be honest it's not smooth yeah i will also say that the 7a in 60 hertz mode also has that issue which is very strange it feels like it's like dropping frames a lot and i was showing you this in the car on our way to wawa the other day when you're pulling down the notification shade like yeah eight times out of ten it'll like stutter on its way down i am a little bit curious about the choice to be 60 hertz out the box on the a series when it's capable of 90 and if that's if there's any more reason behind that because the same exact chip and basically the same battery size are in the Pixel 7, which is 90 hertz out the box.

54:03Am I crazy? I would bet you that because this phone is more targeted towards budget users, they're probably not the ones that are like, I need 90 hertz, I need this, I need that. And they care more about battery life. So for the people that are buying the A-series phones, they're like, if we can squeeze a little more battery life out of this, and if you happen to be a power user, turn it on. That's fair. You know, it's also going to be, because at a carrier service when you're buying a plan, that's going to be$500 and the Pixel 7 is still going to be whatever they're going to charge you. So that is still going to be the cheap Pixel phone.

54:36That's true. Also, just like last year, you can buy a millimeter wave one from Verizon for another$50. Last year was an extra$100 for the 7. Jesus. But for the 7a, you can get one for$549. If you're on Verizon and really want that. And really want the millimeter wave version. Yeah. All right, we got to take a quick break. We got more pixels and hardware to talk about. So we're going to do that in our last segment. But of course, as usual, before we hit that break, hit that trivia. Trivia. And none of you guys can hear it. It's just for me. All right. Second question. So which version of Android was the first one optimized for tablets?

55:17Oh, I know. David, that's the second time. You better get both history lesson in my head with this because I had that. I had the zoom. There's an Android tablet. It launched with the Motorola Zoom. Yeah, I know. And I own it. Oh, I remember it. Yes. I remember the couch I was sitting on at my Mormon friend's house when I... I remember getting the Zoom as well. I learned about this information. I was in college. We'll get to that after the break. Be right back.

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58:03It's a folding phone. New fold and then new tablet. It becomes a tablet. Okay. So very different in the spectrum of price. I guess we'll start with... Tablet. No, I like... Let's do the Fold first. Okay. Because the Fold is wild. The Fold is a very confusing, conflicting product to me because I really like it and want it. And I also know that I will not be recommending this to most people. Pretty fair. Sounds evergreen for all our folding. Okay, so, well, it's a Pixel, but, like, even multiplied. So it is$1 ,800. And so when you come in at that price, you immediately attract the early adopter and the enthusiast, who both care a lot about what?

58:43Design, aesthetics, incredible specs and performance. And what does this phone have? tensor g2 from seven months ago and not the best looking bezels yeah so it's not going to appeal to the 800 1800 phone buyer but i really like the pixel stuff about it right it has all of that stuff still but now it's a seven and a half inch screen in the inside that unfolds and i've been waiting for this sort of passport size thing and the decision they made and you can see this in impressions video is they moved a lot of the the folding hardware to like above and below the hinge in order to keep it thin so it's 180 degree fold but it's thinner than any other foldable i've ever used in the u.s other than the xiaomi foldable and the surface duo oh but that's not a folding screen so i don't count that's not a phone oh right it's not a phone it's a surface but it is a really thin really nice to hold tablet passport size tablet thing and so i really like it and i'm gonna definitely i'm gonna get one and i'm gonna review it and see what it's like but i also know that at 1800 bucks you should probably just get the fold four from samsung like that's the better phone for most people um that's probably three pixel sevens for that price yeah you could also get other phones so yeah that's it's out what do you what do you guys think now that you've seen it so yeah i actually i don't know i the the hardware is really nice.

1:00:10I'm really glad they have really nice hardware. First generation Google hardware can be very rough. The cool thing is I know that they've been working on foldable interfaces for a very long time. Basically ever since the first Galaxy Fold came out Google's been working super tightly with Samsung to like make foldable interfaces really like they had Android 12 L and the L just meant large. Large screen displays aka foldables. So now we're on Android 14 is about to come out. And they've been working on this for a long time. They showed a lot of like multitasking modes that seemed really natural.

1:00:44They have the new multitasking bar that you can slide up with, which Samsung already has. Samsung already had that, but it was in a permanent dock at the bottom of the screen. This one comes up from the multitasking bar. Yeah. I thought it was fire. Yeah. I like that a lot. The bezels do seem a little rough. I understand that you need bezels of some kind to be able to hold a foldable. Put a real webcam in there. Yeah. Yeah. Real selfie camera. Real selfie camera. Instead of the garbage that's under the screen of the Samsung. Yeah. Yeah. Just saying. I will say that they didn't really hide the hinge in between the bezels very well.

1:01:19And it looks a little more rough than like the Galaxy Fold 4. You're saying the crease? Not the crease. Above the screen. Where the two pieces like kind of touch each other. And then there's the screen that floats on top. Okay. Yeah. It does. It looks a little bit rough when you open it. But well, I want to try it more. I want to try it more. uh so we'll see i i think that you're definitely spot on that like i haven't i've wanted a foldable for a long time but i don't love samsung's ui i always love the pixel ui yeah so having something that has both is really amazing and i like that it's in more of the oppo find and form factor so the candy bar yeah because the candy bar from samsung do you remember the first generation that was funny looking back at that oh my god i gave that kind of an easy time like i was like wow guys it folds like can we literally folds but now that i look back at it i'm like whoa the inner display of the first fold that was like yeah one eighth the size of the actual phone was ridiculous yeah so yeah i'm pretty excited about i do want to try it i know that a lot of the people at the office are like gonna pre-order it you get a free pixel watch if you pre-order it which is hilarious door i i know that the pixel watch has been selling really well i I think they released a stat, well, comparatively, they released a stat that it's like the best-selling Android wearable or something, or Wear OS wearable.

1:02:41That's a very high bar. Yeah. But I think that they're just trying to move people into the Google Everything ecosystem. So if you just don't have a smartwatch yet and you're buying a Pixel Fold, they're like, we're going to get one on your wrist and you're going to be in the Pixel Watch ecosystem for the rest of the time. Who is that person that doesn't have... Ah, it's weird because yeah,$1 ,800 and is going to drop it on a pixel fold, but somehow doesn't already have the pixel smart or a smartwatch. Yeah. In general. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. Um, funny enough, I think you could, you have your choice of the LTE or the wifi only version and the LTE one's$50 more expensive.

1:03:20So I don't know why they're giving you the option. Uh, yeah. You just take whatever one you want. Yeah. So the full, I really, I think all of us in the office are probably going to try it for a little bit and then see how we like it. I loved it. I mean, I played with it for like 40 minutes and I was like, wow, this it's 120 Hertz on the outside and inside. Yeah. It was smooth. I think like to your point, like a lot of people look at the bezels when they aren't using the phone and they look kind of weird. But once you actually use the phone and you're looking at the screen, that's the important part.

1:03:48And I feel like when I look at the screens now, I'm more willing to forgive like a slightly thicker bezel. Yeah. Cause I'm looking at the screen and the screen's nice. yeah so if if i can deal with the pixel 3xl like bathtub notch i think i can get away yeah like this whole thing you know i came into this thinking it's a foldable i'm not really that interested in foldables and then i left it thinking like i really want to try that yeah i really do want to try it um there are some really cool things about it like you said some of the software was really neat i really liked the um i liked how if you are multitasking on both screens and then you swipe into recent apps, it'll stay docked together with the multitasking things that you're using.

1:04:30So you can go back if you're in like Google or like a video and messages, like that'll stay together when you bring it back later or like Sheets and your email or something like that. Yeah, I thought that was really neat. They showed off, which I thought was pretty cool, the like live translation where you flip the whole thing open and you can speak into one side seeing your translation and then the other side where someone's looking at you can see that i know that's like a weird like it's kind of strange but it also is way better than the like i've seen a lot of people mention this like they say they can go to foreign countries and actually oh yeah be able to to communicate with people but that's talk into it look at it show it to them yeah at least you kind of have some sort of like a little quicker back and forth we were memeing this a little bit like the lady in the demo was sort of like here here look at it look at it yeah i thought what they were going to do is because when you fold it open it's such a big display i thought it would split the screen in half and on one side it would read the text towards you and on the other side it would read so if you were like if you're like sitting at a table across from somebody you could both be looking down at it and it would like talk into it and translate it i think they're liking the screen on the other side yeah i think they were just trying to flex that google translate is one of those apps where every time i see an improvement of it i'm like damn that's good and then i never use it i wasn't when i was in columbia at the entire time we're like we need someone who speaks good spanish because we're not using our apps very well but it has a feature where like you can say something in english it'll immediately transcribe it hit play and it'll say it in spanish yeah like out loud yeah it's like that would have been really useful in a taxi or something like yeah i don't know if i'm gonna like be in the front seat of the taxi like talking to the phone and like showing them the screen yeah but the audio experience is nice but it was cool the next big step of that is now that we have um audio ai and there's some products that can do this already where you just you say like i think humane had this in their demo um however that ends up looking but like where you can say something into it say translate this for me and then in your voice it says it in the language like the other language which will be really cool um do you have any other thoughts on the tablet i mean yeah i've got some thoughts on the tablets we'll get to in a minute but um i think i liked the pixel fold way more than i thought i would i definitely am going to try it out at some point i don't think i'll pre-order it necessarily um because i you don't want that pixel watch yes i just need another pixel watch attempting to connect to my phone at all hours of the office um yeah yeah i i think it looks really cool i'm excited to try it the thing is is like if you haven't used a foldable can you drop eighteen hundred dollars without knowing you're going to enjoy using a foldable all the time it does it does seem thinner so ultimately it does seem like the normal phone function should be fine which i know is good but then am i just paying three times as much money that i'm never going to open it up we'll see i would like to try i'm more excited now than i was before i think i tried to curb my own hype and then saw that's smart yes saw fancy i got totally sold by the fancy presentation of it and there are also a bunch of other question marks with it that we have to figure out in the review one is it's still tensor g2 and it is a smaller battery it is the biggest battery in a foldable but it is still a 4400 or something like that and tensor g2 has not traditionally been super battery efficient and it's a gigantic unfolding screen on the inside yeah so what's the battery life going to be like that's number one we don't know number two is it is thinner than the regular pixel so it is yet again a new set of camera sensors yeah um there are slightly thinner modules and they had to make a slightly thinner periscope lens and all these things are all slightly smaller than the flagship pixel 7 pro yeah so we'll have to again see what those cameras do samsung has done that in their folds too their folds always have lesser cameras than their most recent flagships exactly so we're gonna have to test those um and then that's just it's just the apps question of like they did like There's 50 new updated Google apps for optimizing for the tablet screen size and hopefully a bunch of new third-party apps that work really well with it too.

1:08:38The different column sizes and all that, we'll have to play with that. That's a question mark. But then just like performance, you know, Tensor G2 holding up over time, Android 14, all that fun stuff. We'll see. I am fairly optimistic about battery life because I think that like the reason that this phone is so thin is I think that they want to encourage people to feel okay using it closed. When you only need to use it as a closed phone, you just use the front display, which is also 120 hertz. It's a glass screen instead of sort of that plastic kind of thing. and so if you're able to if it's about the same thickness as a pixel 7 and then you're using it as a regular phone but it has a way bigger battery that's kind of dope and then you just open it when you need to when you want to use expanded app features yeah so i'm optimistic because i think that for with a lot of foldables a lot of people kind of just open it for the novelty and use apps in big screen mode for the novelty but they don't actually need to so the more that it can feel like a regular phone most of the time and then you have the convenience of the tablet when you need it i think that that's kind of the ultimate in between yeah yeah it'll depend on the ratio of how much you use outside versus the inside yeah interesting yeah all right on to the main event the main event the pixel tablet ladies and gentlemen it is a real thing i wish i could hear the sound effects

1:10:03okay so pixel tablet gets unveiled it is what we thought it was which is it's a tablet that connects to a speaker magnet dock that makes it a Google Home. The things that we didn't know that we now know are one, it's a Tensor G2. It's an 11 inch 60 Hertz LCD. It's not a super high end tablet and the price will be$499 and it will include, David, you wanna, I'm sure you would love to remind us of our bet, but it will include the dock in the box. Yeah, we've been talking about this off camera pretty much all day. I had to remind them very, very time. We've been talking about it. So yeah, I think one person's been talking about it a lot more than the others.

1:10:42Yeah, this is our bet was whether or not it came with the dock included. It does, which is dope. You can also buy an additional dock for$129. I missed that. You can buy an additional dock. Yes, you can buy an additional dock. I think it's a little bit weird to buy an additional dock and then just have just a speaker dock sitting somewhere that you can't use unless you throw the tablet on it. Yeah. That's kind of strange. But I mean, if you just want to buy it. I like the options there, which is nice. Yeah, because you could like put it in a corner or something and it's felt so it kind of blends in with your environment.

1:11:12It would have been nice if the dock had its own Bluetooth connection. Or just like a Google Assistant thing built in. Yeah. So ask it stuff from across the room. You could still play music on it without having to have the. That's a good point. Yeah. But it doesn't. So there are pins on the dock and those four pins match up to the four pins on the back of the tablet. And when you connect them, those pins are everything. That's data and power. So if you. Actually, it's how you charge the tablet. you put it on the dock there's a usbc port there is a port yeah but it doesn't come with a usbc cable no so you'll have to charge it on the dock and then the other thing is uh yeah it's got a speaker built into the tablet so if you're playing music and you want that like slightly louder speaker which i've listened to it a little bit it's louder but it's not that loud we'll test it more you put it on the speaker dock and then now it's a google home it's got hub mode you lock it and it will go into hub mode and do all the hub mode stuff so that was cool you want to bring that yeah i i think hub mode was the thing that we're kind of learning about this that really like showed how this thing is really neat and how like what hub mode is is essentially when it's docked that makes it you know feel like a nest hub you have like home controls you have like easy voice to text like stuff on that makes it super easy but when you want it to be in the tablet mode you either pull it off or use the fingerprint sensor and then you're going into regular google apps and stuff like that i'm curious if you can have multiple users fingerprints pre-loaded so that if you have a different set of apps as me as i would have i think that's exactly what it does i know they mentioned multi-user i forget if it does that where it sets you up per fingerprint or if it's just multiple fingerprints can unlock it to go to your because android has multi-user built i do think they said logins yeah i think it's two completely different users.

1:13:00That's dope. Which the iPad hasn't had forever. And the way they showed it on stage, which is new, but we haven't seen it in action yet, is like there's a little picture in the corner and you just tap the picture. Because like a tablet that's at home, it's floating around your house. Maybe you and someone else uses it. You tap the picture and then it sort of brings you to the login screen. You tap your new picture, log in with your fingerprint, and it's a new tablet. New apps, new home screen, new everything. So I would want to get the one with more storage to make sure this would work well. but I think that's the best implementation of multi-user on a tablet we've ever seen.

1:13:32You can just touch your fingerprint to it and it's like, this is David's tablet. It's got all David's apps on it. And then I dock it. And then later on, Andrew comes in because he's hanging out at my house for some reason. And he lives in your tablet. It's like the new spare key. It's like you give them access to your tablet. Exactly. It's a spare key. It's access to your tablet. Yeah. So, I mean, that would be awesome. that way your kids aren't like messing around with your bank account and stuff yeah and buying apps on your account yeah so i think that that seems to be working or it seems to be the way it's going to work i don't well i don't personally need one because i have a tablet already and i have a go home already so obviously i don't need it but there's going to be a lot of people who don't have either and who can get this and it will be both and i think that's pretty cool it's like a dual purpose thing you lock it it's i'm curious how one-to-one feature parity it is with just buying a google home which is like 230 bucks can it be your nest security camera can it probably because the one that's plugged in all the time can but if it's just going to be popping off the dock i don't know if that's going to be a feature probably in hub mode i would guess in hub mode i'm assuming hub mode's gonna have it's exactly that everything that a nest home hub has i hope so in different i think it's even they were showing also an overhaul of your of google home the new app which looked really good on tablet mode like with all the different sliders and everything so i think that's gonna be fantastic on and that's what like that's what i'm so excited about this five hundred dollars i can have my my nest hub home that has all my home controls in a like my living room or something like that and then when i travel to the west coast to make a podcast in a hotel room i can be an ipad kid on the plane and just watch downloaded netflix anime or movies or whatever i want on there so like that's all i want this for claire's at home with no home controls now claire claire'll live she has her pixel right so she can just yeah that's fair yeah yeah but yeah so like that's 500 bucks i think that's great i hate i kind of want two of them i kind of want one for my kitchen as well where i can pull the tablet off to the side and bring it with me if i'm cooking something and i'm like you wouldn't get two different no be kind of ugly one dog two tablets i don't want what well you're saying you want two tablets i want two of these but one with doc oh they come with docs okay i put them one in the kitchen with the doc one in my living room with the doc oh also just the green i have green paint in my living room oh yeah we should also mention there's three colors yeah there's like a dark green which is the only one that comes with black bezels and then there's like a seafoam which is it's called porcelain yeah so look at the green one's called hazel and it's the only one that comes with black bezels and then there's porcelain which has white bezels and it's sort of like this more porcelain color i guess and then there's a rose which is like slightly pink it's like the pixel 3 sand pink in a way also has white bezels so if you're like in a living room you probably want to get the hazel but i'm assuming that most of these are in people's like kitchens so you get any of the other colors you have a white bezel yeah yeah yeah white bezel is fine in the kitchen also the case i don't do we know if the case comes with this or i don't think it does okay well it's still really sick because the case can fit on the back match the color and it has this interesting like metal oval that when you take it off of the the speaker now you have a kickstand so if you want to go on the plane or whatever and kick it up or if you want to distract your kids at dinner because they're being noisy you can kick it up on the table but then it can fold back in and then still snap right onto the home it like doesn't affect so cool i really like really sweet yeah yeah the uh the 256 gigabyte is 100 more so it's 599 instead of 499 which is pretty nice uh i'm trying to look for accessories i don't really know if they're selling they're not they haven't they showed the accessories but i don't think they are selling them yet they'll probably sell them when they a couple of them are live on google store really i'm looking right now there's the oh it's probably the accessories section yeah it's in the accessories section okay because i was looking to see if they sold the hub yet and the hub is coming soon it says it's not for sale yet if you want to buy a separate one a dock okay yeah thank you oh they're still yeah do you think that a separate i guess if you really like to carry the tablet around with you all day if you have one like by your bed and in the living room then maybe you would get two of them but that just feels i I think those are the two, like the kitchen, somewhere downstairs, somewhere upstairs, basically.

1:18:05Like the bedroom and the kitchen or something. Yeah, if you want to bring them before, I would hate to just leave it without a tablet out there. I think that would look kind of weird. So the official case is$80. The one with the wire? Yeah. That one's$80. $80. And then there's a spec made standee shell is what they call it, which is basically like it has a kickstand built in and that's 50. That looks, it's a totally different color. And it looks like it affects the pins. It looks terrible. official case the cases are the same color as the body so it looks exactly the same basically um and then it has the metal ring 80 seems kind of steep it does seem kind of steep i will say the guy in front of me when we were watching the thing he was like taking notes or whatever and then he looked up at the end he looked back at us he was like there's no keyboard i was like no there's no keyboard and he was like oof ouch and started writing about how bad that was how are you gonna i don't think this is a tablet people are gonna put you're not gonna carry a separate keyboard with you when it's mostly on the dock yeah that's i think this is the people who put a a tablet on a keyboard are suddenly like a high performance like yeah this is media consumption buying this tablet this is media consumption this is entertainment purposes when you're using it in tablet mode and yeah they did to be fair they also do mention how google has some of the best voice to text translate so like there's not a lot there is the split screen keyboard but like most of the time you're going to want to put text on this thing you're just going to use your voice facts yeah yeah so that guy you know who you are yeah i love this was this i'm so glad we got to the point it got announced and i still love everything about it and i cannot wait for one of these what's what i suck we will test it we'll see about this camera it's an 8 megapixel camera on the back has no portrait mode has no high-end features it's just like it's a tablet with a camera what are you gonna use it for yeah like like occasional video calls whatever shut up It's got a front-facing 8-megapixel camera.

1:19:56Stop talking. We don't know how good the battery life is. It's a 60-hertz display. I'm sure it's going to be a fine battery, but we still got to test that. So we'll see. But I think it's in a pretty good place right now. Yeah. And we have one more quick thing to talk about. We'll make it kind of quick, even though we probably could talk for a while, which is find my Android. Right. Yes. Underrated announcement of the whole thing. And I have many questions about it as well. I feel like this was the most active we were into Slack. I know, yeah. We started talking about this. Okay, so basically, they started actually with this announcement of, if you are being followed by a rogue AirTag, it will now notify you on your Android phone.

1:20:33And that was the thing that was like making headlines before, oh, people are putting AirTags in cars, and their iPhones are telling them that they're being followed by an AirTag. But hey, if you're stalking somebody with an Android phone, they're not even going to find out. Yeah, they're not going to know, right? Now it's being built into Android, because they can do that. They worked with Apple on this, by the way. Thankfully, they had to. Yeah. Yeah. And then there was this mention of they're actually on this now this network of billions of Android phones, which are all contributing to sort of this find my thing now.

1:21:03And low key, that's a way bigger find my network than iPhones in a lot of parts of the world. In anywhere but the United States. Everywhere but here. Even probably the United States. Yeah, even still in the United States, if it's not bigger, it's still enough. Yeah, it's enormous. so that's pretty cool we have a super useful find my network of billions of android phones yeah they've always had well not always but for a very long time they've had find my device which is just like it's a place you can go on your google account on the internet where you can ring your phone remotely or you can wipe your phone remotely but now the fact that every device is sort of contributing to it so even if it's I think it's like even if it doesn't have data other phones that walk by will kind of like give its location and triangulate it is really cool um and they also announced that they're going to be able to implement it into like partner devices so like i think they showed off some sony headphones like xm5s or something and my question is you have to pay to be on apple's find my network like the vanmoof bike has find my the the premium one the cheaper vanmoof bike that they just announced doesn't have it right and i'm assuming that apple charges a licensing fee to use it my question is does google also charge a licensing fee to put find my into this i assume they do i would assume that but i don't know yeah and and it's going to be like so now are all devices going to pay both licensing fees to apple and google to be on both and my other wait well i was just saying who else is just going to even do the android one because you assume all android devices are part of this so then you're just going to assume all samsung products are probably going to have like let's just think earbuds headphones first right that's what you lose a ton of yeah galaxy buds are going to have to be right because you lose it pixel buds are going to have to be on this they don't have to pay a licensing fee are my sony link buds going to be on it because sony makes android devices are they going to pay for that but then go a step further are sennheiser right earbuds going to be on this like who's going to pay into that i feel like we just so often at least in the u.s think there's apple and there's just everything else seems to fall under android when it doesn't really but there are a lot of things it kind of does but at the same time like i don't know if the like send one of the sennheiser air earbuds like yeah like are those going to be on the find my network now or are they gonna have to pay extra for that going into it yeah i'm i'm also also wondering that something i was really hoping for at this iowa that they didn't announce is an air tag competitor sold by google yeah um there was a fake one that was distributed uh with a name that i don't want to say on the podcast uh with a funny name that was like a fake google air tag that um anyway i was hoping that they would release one of those they didn't did which feels weird because now that they launched this like enhanced find my system i would hope that they would have their own air tag competitor because i've always told people if you're if you have any apple devices you don't even need an iphone if you have a macbook an air tag is the best 30 you will ever spend because it means you will literally never lose the thing you attach it to ever again and if you do you will find it and like it's for that like peace of mind it is really really good and so being able to add this android find my feature to any you know a regular a camera or something is super worth it yeah um chipolo which is tile's biggest competitor is on apple's find my yeah and tile sued apple because of the whole like you can either join us or we'll destroy you thing that they did yeah yeah we did a whole video about this they should make that might be why does google not have a new i don't know why google isn't releasing a tracker because uh it would they would sell like if they sold it for even like five dollars less if they sold it for 25 instead of 30 they'd probably sell a ton it's coming it's got to be coming i bet you it'll probably come out in the fall with the new google hardware that'll be fire yeah i hope we get one yeah that'd be awesome well yeah that's a that's the in the weeds we've we've gone through everything pretty much we actually went through the entire io um you just watch this instead of watching the io recap this is probably just then you wouldn't see the you wouldn't see the bird oh and bard got dark theme i want to oh yeah true Biggest applause of the day, probably.

1:25:25That's true. Can I just say the applause in person is way more annoying than on the live stream? I was just staring at people. That's fake also. Like, why are you applauding? No one was applauding. It was probably engineers that were sitting in the front that were applauding. It was like, that's my product. It was the birds were applauding. The fake birds, yeah. The firds. Trivia time. All right. Trivia. Get out your whiteboards. We brought these all the way from New Jersey to be here with us in sunny California. even though it wasn't sunny this morning it was freezing yeah we were freezing it was so cold i was very upset still sunny still sunny it was not it was very cloudy it's always sunny in san risco yeah okay anyway we had magic editor it could have been sunny question number one google deep mind has been brought in and out of google several times over the past decade but today at google io it was announced that google's parent company alphabet will be merging deep mind with what Google subsidiary?

1:26:23You can't hear the music, but I pressed the waiting music. So you got like 30 seconds to write your answer. David has already wrote that. He's staring at me in my soul. Andrew's blacking out. I'm going all in. I don't know at all. I'm all in, baby. Absolutely not. I mean, they're extremely right. You guys always talk about Google subsidiaries and I just don't know any of them. Marquez is writing. Oh, wait. Did you say alphabet subsidiary? Don't let David look. I'm not looking. Okay. Also, why would I change my answer when I'm already correct? Ooh, got him. Okay. Flip him and read. Wait, Andrew, you're done?

1:26:54Yeah, I wrote Google. Wrong. I wrote Google Brain. Correct. I wrote Google X. Wrong. Don't you say Google Brain in the next question? What? What? What was the next question? Next question. Great segue. That's what I'm here for. Which version of Android was the first one optimized for tablets? And I pressed the waiting button. At least I know I can guess at this one. Quick update on the score while we're waiting. Marquez has 14. Andrew has 9. David has 14. Andrew, what's going on? I'm just here to get trivia questions wrong and chew bubble gum. I'm all out of bubble gum.

1:27:42All right, you guys ready? Yeah. All right, flip them and read. oh you're right i got the number and the name wrong i got the number right what'd you say i said android 4.0 ice cream sandwich wrong yeah but it's wrong wrong sorry

1:28:02how's that well yeah it can still be wrong okay i wrote honeycomb correct let's go android honeycomb what number was honeycomb three i believe it was three three yeah h i yeah that was right double check so ice cream sandwich was four but that was 4.0 yeah that was nexus galaxy nexus the awkward thing about honeycomb is it only went on tablets it wasn't really tablet optimized so i had a zoom it was on the motorola zoom it was like it was called like hollow hollow ui was ice cream sandwich which also launched on honeycomb at the same time that's why dang so nice all right final score marquez with 14 still andrew stop laughing i'll come over there david in the lead with 15 my iceland mess ups have nothing on this let's go well played well done thank you well done out of time.

1:29:04I'm sure this is just as long as the keynote at this point, but... I'm so hungry we have to get In-N-Out. Yeah, we're definitely going directly In-N-Out. Let's wrap this up and go to In-N-Out. Any last words on anything we should talk about? I think I should get another trivia point for getting the stand question correct. I'm going to veto that. Okay. Yeah. Agreed. All right. All on the same page there. That's fair. If you were in Dead Last, I'd think about it, but that's a no from me. All right. We'll give a point to Andrew, Justin. Thank you just for that. I want to give a point to Brandon because he's helping us shoot this episode.

1:29:37Thanks, Brandon. Oh, this is the first... Oh, I'm going to play... You took the aperture? All right, here. Who am I saying this to? Waveform is produced by Adam Molina, Ellis Rovin, and Brandon Havard on camera today. We're partnered with Vox Media Podcast Network and our intro-outro music was created by Vane. So...

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