I Don’t Need AI in My Toothbrush

13:11Marques Brownlee:you better double down then yeah well do not okay let's first start with what actually happened and then we can give our takes sure so gopro i don't know how much you guys have followed stock prices I personally don't very much, but if you think about GoPro as a company for the last decade, what do you think of? Oh, Hero 6, Hero 7, Hero 8. They've been making this camera over and over, getting slightly better, slightly better, but generally their lunch has been starting to get eaten by the DJIs and Insta360s of the world, and if you look at their stock price for the past 10 years or so, it's been trending downward for a long time.

13:47Marques Brownlee:It's been cratering downwards. It's kind of flatlining. If it was a ski slope, the footage from the GoPro would go down. It would look sick. It would be a bunny slope. That is good. So that's just kind of the background noise about GoPro. And then there's this headline. I don't remember, two days ago, whatever it was, that, oh, Markiplier, the YouTuber you guys all know, one of the biggest creators ever, just became one of the largest individual shareholders of the entire company of GoPro. Everyone went, whoa, wow. Okay, what does he know? 8.5%. Yeah, pretty big headline. There was an article that came out.

14:21Marques Brownlee:It was an interview with him. So that gets surfaced. A whole bunch of people parrot that headline and sort of go, wow, he's really invested in GoPro. Suddenly that news gets out. The stock price bumps quite a bit, probably by like 150 percent in one day on that news. Doesn't necessarily mean much because it's essentially a penny stock at this point. Yeah, it is a multiple of what it was.

14:41David Imel:And then I think even just where you are there, those two headlines make everything seem really intense. Like, yeah, biggest investor in GoPro ever gets unveiled. Eight percent. It's not like he's not a majority stakeholder. Sure, but in a company as big as GoPro,

14:57Marques Brownlee:it's kind of shocking that a YouTuber is suddenly the biggest individual shareholder.

15:01David Imel:My first thought with that is GoPro's in a really bad spot if YouTuber is now the highest. Yeah, but he's also like, he's got a lot of money. He's very, very, he's a very successful YouTuber. For sure. YouTuber, filmmaker, et cetera. He made a very successful movie recently. It's still GoPro, gigantic company we think of. Also, just to add to this timeline, right before all this news came out that he acquired 8.5 % of the company, he put out a comparison video between the GoPro Hero ILS, which is, we've talked about this. Mission ILS, not Hero, sorry. We've talked a lot about this interchangeable lens system GoPro.

15:40Seems really cool. Seems really like a good camera. We've been excited about it. He put out like a comparison video that was that versus a RED. A Komodo. Or no, it wasn't a Komodo. It was a Komodo. It was a Komodo? Oh. Okay. Yeah. And it was a little confusing because he said it was a sponsored review. I'll get to that. A oxymoron. You can't, I mean, look, he's not generally a reviewer, so I will give him a pass for not really understanding that you can't really call something a sponsored review because it's kind of an oxymoron. But I'll give, he's not a reviewer, so I'll give him a pass for that.

16:15Marques Brownlee:But he does do a video several days before the news. Yes.

16:20David Imel:reviewing slash talking about this gopro yes and in our world sponsored and review like david said it's just like yeah big old no-no that yeah that's the part that i have thoughts on yeah yeah yeah so i mean if you get to that okay so that happened before the bloomberg article which

16:33Marques Brownlee:announced that he had now owned 8.5 yeah so the news comes out holy crap market player so invested in gopro must really believe in the company maybe he knows something i don't really know the next day there's this huge announcement that there's a merger acquisition type of deal that's happening where GoPro is merging with this company that is going to use that technology for a whole bunch of other stuff down the road. I think it was this like$280 million acquisition or something crazy like that.

17:00David Imel:Yeah. Can we say the other stuff? Because I think that's where a lot of people are. Yeah. What did they say? AI, defense, etc. Defense, government, robotics. One of them is in Woodman's email to the company. He says they're very strategically positioned in the AI infrastructure industry as an up-and-coming U.S. manufacturer of optical transceivers that we believe will bring in meaningful high margin revenue. Everyone assumes that to be flock camera adjacent.

17:25Marques Brownlee:Yeah, I read that as, oh, GoPro, their price is really low right now. Their expertise is tiny cameras and optics. We can do something with that. That's why we'll buy them. Markiplier makes a stream, goes, actually, he talks to Philip DeFranco in his video, and then he goes on a stream explaining this looks a lot like insider trading i did not know this was going to happen so he makes it very clear he did not know that that acquisition was coming he'd been acquiring shares for months and months and months before this and then the news comes out and then one day later this extra news about the acquisition comes out so i totally give him the benefit of the doubt on like just what he's saying at face value and even a step into that it was like his sec

18:04David Imel:filing was august 20th which is then another week posted on gopros thing which is then when the interview reaches out to him yeah and it just gets posted a week later happens to be a day before

18:14Marques Brownlee:which i can relate to typically i've done interviews where i'm like this will come out tomorrow right yeah and then it's two weeks later oh okay i forgot i did that um so all that is the background noise i so the one public thing that i said about this was on threads um which was uh basically i said i'll just read what i wrote this is not a line i see crossed often but to each their own. And it was just reminding me of what you brought up, David, which is that when we in the Waveform Studio see the word review on a video, that means something very specific to us. And as reviewers who do lots of reviews, it's kind of funny.

18:54Marques Brownlee:He made this like joke in the beginning of his video, like I'm coming for you tech reviewers. I'm in your house now. It was a joke that he was making, but it's like, all right, welcome to that arena, Mark. Like there's a lot of baggage that comes with being in the arena of tech reviews and journalism etc leave while you can so that video that he made he called it a review and he compared it pretty earnestly to the red komodo had a lot of nice things to say and we can even take all of his words in that video at face value that he really believes in it he thinks that footage is better it does higher frame rates of slow motion etc etc great tool really believes in it he says somewhere in the first like two minutes of that video that this video is sponsored by GoPro he later on the Philip DeFranco interview explains that that individual video wasn't actually necessarily sponsored by GoPro but he just wanted a way to explain that he had some financial incentive to make this video which I probably would have just said I own 8.5 percent of the company yeah so that's that's tricky I have his response when you okay great yeah I I think so in the US we have all these we have the FTC We have all these rules that you have to explicitly in the first few seconds or a minute of the video disclose when a video is sponsored verbally and on screen.

20:11Marques Brownlee:So there's a box you can check in YouTube behind the scenes and all that. And he decided that that was his way of doing that. I think you should just say that you're an investor in the company if you are. I think a sponsored video is a slightly different relationship to that company than an investment of that magnitude in that company. Yeah. So that's why I said, because Mark said in response to Polterfranco, I don't really know what line I cross. I don't know what Marquez is talking about. That's the line that I think was strangely crossed when you typically don't see in the tech review space somebody doing a sponsored video with a relationship to the company and calling it a review because we have this relationship with the word review.

20:52which to be fair, not everybody thinks about the word review that way.

20:56Marques Brownlee:I see this all the time. I'll make an impressions video of the new phone that comes out. People go, oh, nice review. In my head, I'm like, no, no, this is not the review. But in the spectrum of the way people think about tech videos, if all the way on one side is schooled, trained journalist and all the way on the other side is someone who's never done this before and is just making their first video, I think tech reviewers sit pretty close but distinctly different from journalism. And we get torn apart for the difference between us and journalism all the time. But there are lots of viewers and lots of people all over the spectrum that have their line in the sand in a different place.

21:37Marques Brownlee:Markiplier, I'm wearing his merch right now. I literally watch his videos. I think he's a great guy, great creator. He's made that film we all love. He is nowhere near that end of the spectrum. he is over here and he's using the word review or comparison willy-nilly that's why i think that's a line that i typically don't see cross that's well it's funny is i think outside of the tech

21:57David Imel:world that line gets crossed all the time i do i'm sure there are people who use the term review reviewing other products that i'm sure do it all of the time even in the tech world i see it now

22:07Marques Brownlee:because we have what we think of as tech review videos which is like long-form youtube videos There's now like TikTok creators. There's now like Instagram reels and YouTube shorts and people will do what they would call a review and it's sponsored all the time. And I see that on my feed and I'm like, what? Yeah. Yeah. That was something we could do. The word review kind of took on a colloquial meaning within our sphere of understanding. And I think that probably people who were early to watching and consuming tech videos also understood that the word review meant it was unsponsored, unpaid for, unbiased to the extent that you can be unbiased.

22:43You know, the actual word review means like that you're evaluating something or judging its quality. You would hope that if you're judging its quality, there's no influence in what that quality is. And if there is, it should be disclosed. Yeah.

22:57David Imel:Or if there's the potential, I would say. The majority of the times I see people doing sponsored things and then giving opinions, I usually actually believe them. But there needs to be the disclosure. So if someone wants to take that piece with a grain of salt because there is a transaction going on, it should be in there. Yeah. You need to give the audience the ability to make their own decision about the thing that people just heard.

23:19Marques Brownlee:And then you trust the creator as you will. This is another reason why I think I'm considering making... it was like i looked up like six years ago we made a can you trust mkbhd video in which i outlined all of my essential like guidelines for understanding our relationship with companies and how we make these videos and i think i might do like an updated version of this because there's so many like smaller lines in the sand now that people can get stuck on or totally accept like uh mark's video he had a affiliate link in the video i think it was labeled properly but it's an affiliate link. Some people hate that.

23:55Marques Brownlee:All the way on the journalism side, that's a complete no no. No affiliate links at all. And then if you further yourself from that line, it's like, oh, yeah, there's an affiliate link. Obviously, if you want to buy the product, check it out. It supports me. I see that from YouTubers all the time. So that's a small line in the sand people like to talk about. Yeah. So there's all kinds of smaller access. The access that you get if you're in the first wave of coverage of a product versus out of it. If you benefit from that access, should your coverage be less valid or less valuable? Kind of depends.

24:28Marques Brownlee:There's a whole bunch of other flags there. It all depends on the way you think of the word review. I think that's a great idea for an updated video because the audience has become more privy to the way that things work too. And a lot of people have called out very valid things like access, to your point. Like even though we get devices in and then we evaluate them and then we either send them back or whatever, like people not spending your own money on a thing is an implicit change in the way that you think about a thing yeah you know so i think um yeah there's a lot of really good responses to that too specifically i think there's like a clip from mr mobile showed up where he's like you know you might think that i get a box with a free phone in it that shows up at my desk and i get oh i'm really excited i better make a nice positive video but when that box shows up it might as well just say work on the screen.

25:23Marques Brownlee:Like, I've been doing this a long time. Like, I think that when people watch videos like this, they put themselves in the shoe of the reviewer. 100%. Which makes a lot of sense. I would do that if I was watching a video. Like, free stuff. If I was reading a restaurant review, I would put myself in the shoes of the person who's writing that review, maybe who had a reservation that got, like, delayed or something, I'd be mad. So you put yourself in the shoes of the reviewer and you go, oh, they got the computer for free? If I got the computer for free, I would feel a certain way about that. I might not always, I might feel pressure to say nice things.

25:52Marques Brownlee:But I think there's an extra layer of, well, they're professional. They've been doing this for a long time. If you do a good job as a reviewer, that does not have any effect on what you're saying. But not everybody thinks about it that way. There's also has no effect. And then there's like, there is like implicit effect that you can't even really understand. You know, I don't know, like shelling out$1 ,200 actual dollars for a thing is like. it does feel that you had to do that and then review a product you probably would think a little bit differently about it yeah quick uh addendum uh we like most of these things that we get for free we send back yeah yeah that's something not a lot of people think most people it's not it's not like a it's not like it's becomes our property like yeah most of the time there's a legal thing yeah that states that is it still a company's property we're just you know holding it yeah yeah it's logged in a database somewhere and then yeah and they ask for it back that's another line in the sand not everybody discloses that that's one of the things every single time i review a product that was provided by the company i have a line in the description of the video that says who the product came from yeah no one has to do that nobody told us that's just a random line in the sand some people want to know so that's another quick aside yeah i think this video is a good idea because i've had not a ton of people but more than three people ask me this week.

27:12What do you do with all this stuff? No. Everyone always asks that. What are the new iPhones like? You guys have them in the studio. Oh, yeah. I didn't get that. Well, to be fair, Apple is... We don't. I know, but Apple is like the only company that doesn't seed stuff out early. Every single other company does give us stuff like a week early. Apple, we don't... So you guys know. We don't know anything actually about these phones until the entire world knows about them. Everything we know, you

27:39Marques Brownlee:know, because we talk about it every week. This is why the iPhone impressions videos and first look videos hit so hard is because that's actually everyone's first impressions of it and a first unveiling. They do their best not to get leaked like everybody else, but literally every other tech company who has something out, they have a program, they have pre-seeded devices so that people who really want to evaluate it can spend meaningful time with it, cameras especially. If I get a camera five days before, it's time to publish the video. I need to go somewhere, take pictures, a whole bunch comes with that.

28:11Marques Brownlee:So people send camera viewers stuff for weeks and months, which makes a lot of sense. It might take me one or two weeks to review a phone and take it places and burn through battery and see what it's good at. That's typical. Apple is like the only company that doesn't do that for anything. They do eventually have a review embargo. Like we get devices before the public can purchase them. But we don't know anything about them until everyone else in the world knows everything about them. Yeah. So, yeah, we will not know anything about these iPhones until you guys do next week.

28:38David Imel:How many people have actually texted you about this? because I've had two so far. You've had three.

28:41Marques Brownlee:Oh, really? I just got done wrapping my phone off at service and the service guy was like, so how about that new phone? He probably knows more than you do. He's been reading the articles. People at Best Buy see this before we do. He's been reading the articles. You know, that's a totally, people wonder about these things. Yeah. I mean, I was in Portugal a few weeks ago and someone was like, so like you guys like, of course you say better things about the companies that pay you more, right? And I was just like, what are you talking about? Yeah. Why do you think this is the case? Well, the reason they think that is because there are reviewers whose line in the sand is in a totally different place that just do that.

29:17Marques Brownlee:They call themselves a reviewer, they're not. And I'm willing to start beef on that end. I think this video, whenever I make this video, it's going to really lean on that line in the sand analogy slash visual. Because literally every single reviewer puts their line in a different place. And a lot of people who call themselves journalists, there's almost like an invisible code where everyone knows exactly what we do and what we don't do as a journalist. And that's great. But it's like outside of that, there is a huge spectrum of, oh, yeah, I'll just do a sponsored review, whatever. There's a reason the annual Qualcomm information keynote thing is in Hawaii.

29:55You know, it's not subtle. Yeah, nobody would go otherwise. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think this is what's confusing because when there were only like three publications, like newspapers covering tech at all, you know, it was like Walt Mossberg at the Wall Street Journal. It was like there were two or three people in total that were covering technology.

30:13Marques Brownlee:Right. They basically all had all the same standards and the same line in the sand. But as the world of technology has gotten like diffused into all these different media outlets and different types of media and then influence like influencers were not a thing that existed back then. Yeah. Now go to this event and there will be mostly influencers. Yeah, and what people mostly see is content from influencers because there are way more influencers than there are Wall Street journals. Right. And so what they see on their phone is going to be the lines in the sand that most of the influencers draw, which are all different.

30:46It also depends legally where they're from. Like the U.S.

30:49David Imel:has very different rules than Europe. Also huge. Has different rules than Canada than South America. Yeah. Like there's a lot.

30:54Marques Brownlee:Yeah. We've noticed that in sponsored. We'll see a sponsored campaign where a creator from the U.S. discloses in the first minute and a creator from Canada just doesn't. And you're like, oh, right. That's because it's different. Right. Totally. Totally. They don't have to. So, yeah, the lines in the sand get drawn by government sometimes, too. Sorry, not to Tom Scott out, but I do think it's really funny that if we were to release or not us because we don't take any money from it, but a hypothetical creator were to release their reviews in a movie theater, they would not need to disclose anything.

31:24David Imel:it would just be like in the credits at the end like i don't even think i'm pretty sure in tom scott's video is like it's after all of the people who worked on the movie there's like a couple paragraphs of like some of the like pepsi sponsors or whatever placement yeah wow yeah um can i just throw in markiplier's response to why he said sponsored yeah he did a live stream yeah he did a live stream last night i so this kind of feels like uh thinking too hard about it may have I don't even want to say bit him in the ass because I don't think there's a ton of controversy around this. It was just like all a bunch of weird happenings in like 48 hours.

32:01David Imel:And I don't think any of his audience is really being like, you scammed us at all. Also, in his defense, if he really didn't know anything and this happened, like if we're taking him for his word, this sucks. It does. If I was him, I'd be like, damn. He accidentally played the lottery and accidentally won. So his reason for saying sponsored and not invested was to show, this is his words, show some way of showing that there is potential financial gain out of this video. But in this world where so many different creators are hyping up different cryptos and investment advice kind of things, that he was worried if he said he was investing in GoPro that his audience would then think, I also want to invest in GoPro.

32:42David Imel:And he's like, I don't want my audience investing in a thing that's been down 95 % over the last five years because it's probably not a very good investment. And to kind of his point, though, when it got announced, he came out, it shot up before any of the other stuff. So it happened. What he didn't want to happen happened. Yeah, that's a valid take.

33:04Marques Brownlee:It's a valid thought. It didn't work as well, but... Yeah, hindsight is definitely 2020 on a lot of this. Probably next time, just say that. I'm investing in this company. This is not financial advice. I do not think you should invest in this company. The companies that are trying to pump the like crypto coins and stuff and say i'm invested in this they're not actually invested they're invested because the company gave them a bunch of free investment to promote it which is different and i think that we should just everyone should just be more honest and clear the problem

33:31David Imel:is is with his honesty doesn't mean the people in the crypto ones are going to be honest because they are they are saying i invested i'm just saying like no you're right in a perfect world those crypto people would also say these people paid me money to say this but they're like i'm not personally invested in it they just gave me money yeah so now he's in this weird spot where it's like he emerged with this company that might be making like flock cameras and but he doesn't want to sell everything because then it looks like a pump and dump but he also doesn't he's hoping that this new camera is good and gopro focuses on it i will end sounds pretty skeptical about yeah

34:07Marques Brownlee:i will end with his i will end with like the cautious optimism that like okay he is a believer in the product and the tool and wants to enable in some way future creators having this awesome tool having access to it how the investment helps out or not i don't really know but just to give the benefit of the doubt gopro is going to still be around we don't know exactly what's going to happen with their cameras in the future they could keep making cameras we hope they keep making cameras yeah but there is some doubt around that and we'll have to just see what happens yeah i I think that we talked about DJI before and Insta360, and not all of these companies are necessarily going to be able to sell their cameras forever here in the U.S.

34:51Marques Brownlee:There's lots of weird legislation around that with this administration, so we don't know. So there's a potential of GoPro continuing to make cameras that are amazing and game-breaking. And to be fair, I have an ILS. I haven't tested it yet. Wait, what? We got it? Yeah, I know. We have it. I'm going to check it out. A lot of other people have said very positive things. I'm going to bring you a bunch of vintage glass because that that's the really cool thing is you can adapt all this crazy vintage glass to it.

35:17David Imel:So kind of go full circle on this whole conversation back to the fact that GoPro has only ever made Hero 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 400. And it is tanking their stock price because they're a marketing company up until now of like, hey, you do cool things, buy this camera. And then you ski down a ski slope and watch the footage. You're like, I'm going one mile an hour in this ultra wide. Like, this is not fun unless you do a backflip. You know what GoPro should have done? They should have made an energy drink. Because Red Bull. They're about the same. Because Red Bull is the same company as GoPro, but they sell an energy drink.

35:48David Imel:That's the only difference between these companies. So the Mission ILS, we're excited about it because it's this very accessible thing that seems like it's in good quality. And it's kind of breaking the mold of what they're making and seems really interesting. Yeah. And then they're like, cool, we're also going to make Flock cameras. And it's like, oh, God. Hear me out. hear me out cinema flock cameras so when the techno fascist state you know sees you doing something or whatever and you could haul the court and they pull that footage up you could be like damn those lens flares sick uh i also want to note that starman optical which was the company that the holding company that merged with gopro yesterday was incorporated in delaware the day before yesterday.

36:31No way. Great. What? It's a holding company. It's held by Starman New Photonics, which is part of Starman Holdings. This is a bunch of shell companies. Wait, so who owns GoPro? Well, Starman Holdings now owns GoPro. Markiplier. Technically, it owns 8.5 % of GoPro, which is owned by Starman Holdings. Starman Holdings owns Starman New Photonics, and Starman Optical is a subsidiary of Starman New Photonics. Starman Optical was founded the day before yesterday. It sounds like a bunch of shell companies. The reason it's probably a bunch of shell companies is because they want to do weapons manufacturing and they don't want the public to know who they are.

37:14What if it were actually caught in a crazy 4D chess game and Philip DeFranco owns Starman Holdings? We are not saying this is true. No.

37:25David Imel:I think it's even more here to the fact that he probably didn't know about this because if you knew about this, this is the last thing a creator wants to be a part of right now. A way to tank your reputation is to be like, I just put a bunch of money in government, like robotics, weapons, and government surveillance. As one of the biggest investors,

37:44Marques Brownlee:he should shoot an email to that founder.

37:46David Imel:He wrote in there like, if I get to vote, I'm going to vote no, but it's probably going to do nothing. I mean, that's the whole company. He did say if they start doing flock type cameras, he will be out of it.

37:57Marques Brownlee:Yeah, interesting. Fingers crossed for the good cameras of the future. Yeah. Yeah. So we don't want to like, we're not trying to start a bunch of drama. We're just saying this is like a crazy situation.

38:05David Imel:It's a wild situation. Situation is crazy. That's what this episode is going to be named. Wait, we do have the ILS though. We do have the ILS. I do want it. Every time you hear ILS, I think of the space station. I also do. ISS. I'm, I'm Amazon. I'm ordering a, uh, a micro four thirds to C mount adapter. Nice. I'm bringing in some lens flare glass. Let's go. Or it's going to be amazing. Yeah. We'll mess with it. That'll be exciting. So, speaking of tracking. Oh, yeah. Yeah, tracking. Yeah, tracking. That's good. Because GoPros will probably be tracking you on the street in the future. Google is letting you track stuff that you don't have trackers on, which is cool.

38:49Marques Brownlee:I saw this get added in a Pixel feature drop. And I thought Android feature drop. Android feature drop. I thought, oh, nobody thought of that before. I know. It's the most basic thing ever. Yeah, so obviously in the Find My apps, you've been able to have like an Android phone, Android devices, internet connected devices, and you can find them at any point. Obviously with Apple stuff. Find Hub is Android. Google calls it. Obviously with Find My with Apple. And with AirTags and all these chips now, you can add these things. But also, if you just want to remember where you put something that doesn't have a tag in it, like say your passport, this is the example from the video, you can just tell Gemini I'm putting my passport in the safe in the basement it will then remember that location and put it in the find hub so that when you ask Gemini again or check your find hub like where did I put my passport it will just remember that that's where you put your passport.

39:40David Imel:That's so specific Marquez is that where you put your passport?

39:42Marques Brownlee:In the safe in the basement? Passport that is where I put my passport

39:46David Imel:now you know.

39:48Marques Brownlee:Safe in the basement come get me but yeah that is an example of something. I don't want to put an air tag on my passport, but I do kind of want to remember, because I don't use my passport all the time, and I just want to remember where I put it so that when I do have my next international trip, I can be like, hey Gemini, where's my passport? Bam. You know what's funny? I have a tracker card in my passport, my passport wallet, but I forgot that my passport wallet is RFID blocking, so it just doesn't work. I know, it's like all these wallets for the longest time, because people were skimming credit cards, became RFID blocking wallets, and now there's all these tracker cards that just don't work in RFID blocking wallets.

40:22Yeah. So that's a funny thing. At least the last place you put it. But it's so funny because, I mean, this is one of those super over-engineered things for something you could just write down. But...

40:33Marques Brownlee:But it's going to be in the, like, Find Hub, which is a place where you want to find stuff. Yeah. And it's all in your phone. It's like, you could do it from your laptop. You could do it from your phone. Like, I think this is a very simple solution to a problem that nobody really thought about before, and I think that's cool.

40:48David Imel:This is the equivalent of being like Claire I'm putting this in the basement right here remember that it's just like I can just say it to my phone and then we actually will remember instead of both of us forgetting five seconds later what I always do is whenever I need to remember where something is I put it in a very specific place because I'm like oh yeah if I put it in this very unique place I'll definitely remember yep absolutely never as the worst possible thing to do yeah this is or for yeah I parked level two section a like at the airport or something That's good.

41:18Marques Brownlee:I always, I just take a picture of the car with the nearest sign somewhere in the frame. That's like my habit. Every time I park at the airport, I go, okay, where's the sign? Let me get the car and the sign in the frame. And that's the picture. Do you do this with your hotel number too? Sometimes. I, for some reason, don't have a problem remembering my room number, but I often come back to the studio still with the room key and I try to swipe the hotel room. And then I always have to switch back. I always take a photo of like right outside my door. That's smart. I remember. That's a good idea because last time when we traveled, I got to the floor.

41:50I knew I was supposed to be on, but I just kind of stood there for a bit. Wait, what room was it? I'll put my room number in my Find Hub. Boom. Tell Gemini about it. There were a couple other really fun features as part of this Android feature drop, though, that I wanted to talk about really quickly. A few years ago, Apple released this new feature on the iPhone that allows you to basically use your phone while you're in a car because it has these bubbles that will appear on the screen that sort of move with the gyroscope while the car is moving. and it's supposed to be, I don't know the biology of this.

42:21I do.

42:22Marques Brownlee:Okay, tell me about the biology. When you get nauseous in a car. Because you actually get car sick. I do get car sick. I don't. I've paid a lot of attention. This is why I've looked it up. Yeah. When you're on your phone and you're looking down at your phone. Inner ear thing. Well, essentially, there's a difference in perceived motion between your eyes and your inner ear. Your inner ear can feel that you're accelerating forward, but your eyes only see your lap and your phone, which is not accelerating forward. And when your inner ear feels a difference from what your eyes see, that can cause you to feel nauseous.

42:51Marques Brownlee:The same way if you're in a VR game and you move forward in the game with the controller, but your inner ear doesn't feel you moving forward, it makes, yeah, it makes you, that difference is what makes you feel nauseous. So what it does is it puts dots on the screen where as the car accelerates and turns, it gives you that same exact feeling of motion. you turn right and the dots also turn right. So it feels like, to oversimplify, like the road is underneath your phone and you can see the movement of the road with dots. So it's trying to give you something to look at that matches your inner ear's feeling of the way you're accelerating.

43:28Marques Brownlee:And that's now coming to Android. That's cool, yeah. And I heard this works. A lot of people said the iOS version really works. Some people swear by it. I think Rich used it.

43:34David Imel:The previous way of doing this was they had, essentially, do you know like when you could have those silly straws that came up and went around your eyes. So when you drink something, the liquid goes through it. Yeah. A closed version of that with liquid in it. So in your peripherals, the liquid is, it's like half fold and it's sloshing with the car. So something in your peripherals is moving the same as the car, giving you the sense of movement when you're reading. They look so silly. They do. They have to look so ridiculous. But this is a way better version of that. I didn't even know they made this.

44:06Marques Brownlee:Oh my God. They look so ridiculous. My suggestion, so this is what I've always found because I've gotten car sick in the back of the car so many times. Especially, actually, there's a couple things that make it really bad. One is if it's one of those like throttle stabbers in an EV where there's like V-gen. So every Uber driver ever. Yeah, they like accelerate, slow down, accelerate, slow down. That sucks no matter what. Yeah. But also if I'm in the back seat and they have one of those huge seats with a headrest in front of me that's like blocking my view of the road. Oh, yeah. For some reason, that sometimes is enough for me to like, I have to basically I just stare out the window.

44:36Marques Brownlee:I just go I just look directly out the window as long as I can and that's the best thing that's helped with feeling carsick is that why people get sick in the back seat and on the front seat because they don't have such a immediate view of the road yes oh is it for me anyway yes that makes sense yeah that's really interesting well two other features in this android drop that I thought were interesting um you can now change the background images for your google messages chats which is definitely a swipe at imessage which did this a couple of years ago which did this because of WhatsApp a couple of years before that.

45:06Yeah. I am assuming these companies are realizing that the personalization thing is actually important to people. It keeps them on the platform. Yep. My group chat for my photography group is just like a picture of my dad's face. As the background? As the background. I'm not sure why we did that,

45:24David Imel:but that's what it is. I'm only thinking of this now, which might be stupid, but I've always thought changing the background of chats was stupid, but now I'm realizing. I mean, it is. It's silly. That's the point. It's harmless, harmless. But how often do you guys get a text? It pops up on the notification thing. You read it. But instead of clicking on it to reply, you hit the text button, the messages button. No, not reply. The messages button on the bottom of like your doc. And then I reply. And then I realize I sent it to the wrong person because it's actually the last thing that came up. Every time.

45:56David Imel:Never. So with background chats different, I'd be much more aware of like, oh, that's not Claire. oh that's not Ellis I'm responding to that's not Claire if it's a picture of David's dad's face yeah like if David texts me up top and is like yo what are we talking about on the pod today and I open it up and it's Claire and I don't see David's dad's face then I don't text Claire the Markiplier GoPro situation and she's like what are you talking about I feel like that would actually save me much I think I'm going to change all of my chat backgrounds I like that you should just change one or two important ones because if they're all just random colors that you're not going to know when you open it up real quick just speaking of google messages the way they do pinned chats is terrible they just list them yeah it's not really they're just pinned to the top so when you like the way the ims the apple messages does it it's just like huge bubbles huge bubbles and they stack but the way that that it does it happens in google messages it's just it's the same just text chat indicator but they're they just happen to always be at the top so it's like a forum yeah and the problem is when i reviewed the pixel 11 pro i did the transfer thing for my iphone to the pixel and one of their big updates was oh now all of your pinned chats also transfer yeah but i have eight pin chats on my iphone so it took up the entire screen so when i would get a new text i wouldn't even see it when i open the app because it would be below all of my that is funny yeah so i'm to unpin somebody i think google needs to either just copy apple directly or do something else because like yeah pinning in that way is you gotta have like 10 pins though don't you i have eight oh wow i'm gonna bet are they all that

47:38Marques Brownlee:important i i talk to all these groups every day i'm gonna bet that they copy the big bubble at the top for pins feature yeah within one year within a year and a half year and a half i need to give summer of next year. Summer of 27. I don't know. That seems too soon to me. I think it's going to be sooner. I think someone at Google just heard this and started writing it down.

48:03David Imel:Right under his note of screwing with Andrew's YouTube. He will then work on it. While we're yelling about Google messages, I have a did they even test this mid-episode. I mean, mine was kind of a did they. There's a feature. Auto delete OTP one-time password messages after 24 hours. Yeah. That does not work. Wait, really? It doesn't? I never turn it on. I turn it on. I currently have nothing but OTP messages.

48:25Marques Brownlee:At the top?

48:26David Imel:Constantly. There's so many of these. But is it within 24 hours? It's like from days ago at this point. Wait, mine works perfect. I don't see a single. Mine used to work and then it stopped working. So for you they screw with YouTube. As for the last like six months it just stopped working. Are you sure it's on? I just went to settings to double check and I do this like at least twice a week because I'm like, why are you not deleting? And it still keeps messaging me. And that fog color is so good every time I see it. It's like better in real life. I like how your newer pixels doesn't work and my older pixel works.

48:55I'm telling you, Marques, I'm going to bury you with that phone. I'm just telling you. There is one more Google Messages feature in this Android update that I'm excited about. Oh my god, they remembered again that Google Keep exists. And maybe... We're usually scared about this, right? Yeah, it's a little bit concerning when they ever have a Keep update because it might mean they get rid of it. But they are now basically allowing you to have shared lists through Google Keep inside of Google Messages. So if you are texting with somebody, and I'm assuming this has to be an RCS chat because it uses internet stuff, you can now have this little embedded Google Keep list that is shared, and whoever is in the chat can add to the list.

49:38So this is obviously kind of targeted at grocery shopping, grocery lists, which maybe will make this proactive assistance thing a little bit better where you have specifically your grocery list in Google Keep, and now you're using it in Google Messages. Maybe they're just kind of trying to incentivize people to use this feature. Has this come out yet?

49:57David Imel:Because I just tried to test this by messaging you to attach a Google Keep, and I do not see any features or options for this. Are you rolling out? Yeah.

50:05Marques Brownlee:It might depend on your phone. Yeah. Even though you have a - The Pixel 11, bro.

50:09David Imel:I'm probably not getting it for a while. Yeah, yeah.

50:11Marques Brownlee:I think you'll get it before me. I don't know. Sometimes OnePlus gets stuff before Google does. That's true. If it was a Samsung, I would have had it already. That's true. That's true. Because that's really the Google phone.

50:19David Imel:Anyway. You know what's crazy? What? This is our first ad break. That is crazy.

50:25Marques Brownlee:We started about an hour ago. That is crazy. Sometimes you just got to pop off. All right. Well, then that sounds like it's trivia time.

50:37Marques Brownlee:I am begging you. I need a point. I need something that I'm going to get. You will not be getting one. I'm begging you. Mark, I wrote this question thinking of you because this is a binary answer. It's either one or the other. Point flip, I get a point here. You get a 50 % chance. Okay. Because after the break, we're going to talk a little bit about Sonos. And when I think about Sonos, I think of a product category I'm not that fond of. Soundbars. I'm not either. I'm not going to hate on anyone who has a soundbar. I get it. They're efficient. They take up very little space. Spatially efficient.

51:11You know, that's great. Not for me. Yeah. That's fine. but I was doing some research into the history of soundbars which is some interesting stuff there and so today's question is what came first the initial first experimental soundbar which is a soundbar I think if you saw it you'd be like that's a weird looking soundbar but it to me meets all the qualifications one needs to be to be a soundbar or is it a hot dog hot dog go ahead or tv broadcasts in stereo

51:49Marques Brownlee:yeah this is a coin flip for sure what came first nts or pal all right all right well answers will be at the end like usual we'll be right back

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54:42all right welcome back we're gonna talk a little bit about sonos if you didn't so know uh a couple of years a couple of years ago audio listeners that was adam i did not make that noise a couple of years ago this company really destroyed their app everyone got real mad real real mad so mad they got a new ceo and then they decided they needed to like completely refix the app and everything like that in the process of all this they uh announced and released the sonos ace headphones which marquez did a review of last year uh they're sort of their competitor to anyone's flagship over-ear headphones i would suppose yeah flagship and c and c 400 dollar i think they're over they're 450 yeah they're expensive they're expensive they're really i mean they're great headphones in general but their really only big feature was that you could dynamically switch between your Sonos soundbar or audio system and the headphones when you were watching TV.

55:44That was like the selling point. It was like, oh, if your wife falls asleep next to you and you want to turn off the audio ambiently, but listen on your headphones, then you can do that. And it's like, that's a very, it's so millionaire. And I have one, uh, one little use case kind of situation anyway.

56:00David Imel:Well, funny thing real quick about the Marquez's review last year is he called it you had one job and sonos's invitation this year yeah says we had one job my question is was that the invitation to everyone or just to you i think those to everyone that's crazy yeah that's crazy well at this big event they uh they released two new two new well three new things kind of they released a new version of the sonos 8 called the sonos 8's ultra because everything is ultra in 2026 apparently. We'll see if the iPhone is ultra or duo or fold or whatever they call it. They released a soundbar ultra and they released a new OS that is going to span all of their products which they're calling Sonos 27 which I'm not They didn't call it Sonos?

56:50It's right there. Are you serious? You had one job. You had one job. You know, last year you had one job this year at a different job and you messed both them up. So it's headphones not super different. They say they have better ANC in two specific category ranges from it's in the HVAC frequency range. That's a good one. And also in the airplane drone frequency range. That's the other good one. Nailed it. Those are the two good ones. Combine them and it's sitting in an airplane with the HVAC on. They need to add

57:24David Imel:one more server room wine because we have that stupid stupid server next to our office now and it's driving me insane and i have a feeling we're all going to hear a lot more servers whining in the next 10 years yeah the service yeah they just they want more food they want more power andrew give me more power they're whining um okay so they also have new adaptive eq that adjusts to due to your fit so if you have glasses on and it's kind of like kind of like poofing out the headphones a little bit or you if you have hair crazy concept and it doesn't have like a firm seal on your head, the EQ will adapt a little bit to make up for those gaps.

58:01They have five hours of more rated battery life, up to 35 hours with the ANC on, which actually seems quite good. Three hours of fast charging gets you three hours of listening. There are two new colors, blue agave. Three hours of fast charging gives you three hours of listening. Three minutes, sorry. Three minutes of fast charging. Sorry. Three hours of fast charging. We're at real time. Yeah, real time. No one commented. I was like, wait, that can't.

58:26Marques Brownlee:You want to listen to a four-minute song? You got to charge for four minutes. That would be crazy. Well, there's two new colors, blue agave and beige sand. Yeah, that's kind of it for those. The blue look nice. The blue does look very nice. Still$450. Still$450. There is no limit to how much they can charge for headphones. Not when you're a company that sells really, really expensive speakers to people who own houses. Yeah. Yeah. i i'll try to check these out i want to get my hands on them i as far on the power rankings of like things that matter to me in anc headphones sound quality and anc is at the top battery life is right below that and then all the other features of like multi-point or like comparing with the sonos system or all these other stuff it's for me personally yeah not super interested but uh are you a sonos connected like you have sonos at your house i have one sonos sound system yeah but you don't i never personally go from listening to it on speakers to listening to it on headphones yeah a big thing with sonos speakers too is that many of them you can hardwire into your house so that they don't have to be just like yeah jesus so you can like put it in the corner of your home and that's a nice little billionaire penthouse yeah i get it i get it but the big news here is the sonos 27 os uh which is very chock full of ai integration which I'm not totally sure if you're trying to like rebuild trust with your customers over your botched software release.

59:57This guy is a hard job. That's the best way to do it.

59:59David Imel:They're trying to rebuild trust with their investors. Right, right, right. That's honestly, yeah, probably true. So they're releasing a new Sonos 27 voice assistant for the system, which sure, I suppose. It gives you access to like system control and music control. there's a Sonos 27 MCP or model context protocol so you can tell Claude to play something for some reason. I really don't know why you would do that. But you can also have up to 10 Sonos agents which can do different things like when you wake up they will tell you the weather or give you a motivational speech. We really don't know what to do with AI yet.

1:00:39I don't know man. A motivational speech as soon as I wake up sounds like it would

1:00:42David Imel:slap. speech is crazy speech? yeah I need like the what's a good like sports speech like give me a Ted Lasso like pick me up no or that girl who just learned how to ride her bike do you remember that YouTube video? and she gives the speech like you can do it too it was great yeah so it is like you can have 10 different little agents with different voices which is wild and they just do different things why do you need 10 more? why do we need AI isn't everything and a speaker might be the dumbest product I've ever seen AI in this is why RAM costs money so have you seen the Dyson and toothbrush? Bro.

1:01:15David Imel:Yeah. Real quick. I think if it works, this is the one putting an AI in a thing that I might be okay with. Because being able... Are you talking about the toothbrush or are you talking about the... I was trying to make a really bad segue into the toothbrush. I just think there's so much music out there. We have access to in theory all of it. And as far as I'm aware, there is not a good natural language like music search platform. And so the idea of being able to be like, I like the example that they did in the event of like play the I forget. It was like play the acoustic version of this one song.

1:02:01And it knew like instantly to look for an MTV live album because that's the acoustic. Like, I think that's pretty cool. Or to be like, are there any instrumental covers of this song? And in theory, being able to be like, actually, yeah, bro. Again, I'm hesitant. I'm hesitant to hear this work. I just think as someone who really likes music and has thought a lot about music databases and music metadata for quite some time. I know I've talked about this before, but when I was trying to go to college and I thought I wanted to go to business school instead of music school, I pitched this business idea because a lot of these schools asked for a business pitch and it was like the largest music metadata database ever, specifically for things like this.

1:02:48And resoundingly, everyone was like, that's dumb. And look where we are now. So agents crawling around. I feel that Spotify would have done this already. In the event they said it can do this. This was using, I didn't watch the event. I only read recaps. Okay. I believe in the event they were using Alexa Plus to do this. So that means they would be streaming on Amazon. Yeah. So maybe I guess it is the streaming service and not the Sonos Seat.

1:03:16David Imel:Yeah, I don't know. My biggest question on that is, is it like universal in different streaming services? Or there's so many companies that are like, we can do this thing in Amazon Music. And you're like, well, I don't use Amazon Music. That's a good point. And that's the stuff. Now I just have some weird agent telling me the weather and pumping me up in the morning. Anyway, I'm excited about the idea of finally being able to search for music in the same way you talk to like the weird guy who works in your local record store. Do you have Sonos speakers? No. No, and I won't. Yeah, same. Yeah, one day I almost splurged on one and then I was like, what am I doing?

1:03:52This is my midlife crisis.

1:03:53David Imel:There's, oh, this is so off topic, but it is about Sonos. Okay. I'll go really fast. In that podcast I was listening to, the Dead Eyes one, he's an actor. He talked about this one really weird job he took one time where for 500 bucks, him and this other actress for a full day had to be the actors in a Sonos, quote, press briefing where them, a fake child, were in an apartment with their Sonos setup. And every 30 minutes, a journalist would come in and they would explain to them how they use their Sonos speakers in their everyday life. so there was like a fake child sleeping in one of the rooms and they had to pretend to be husband and wife to talk to these journalists about their like when you say fake child do you mean a real child I think there was one room with a crib that was sleeping the whole time so there's no child in it and I think there may have been a child actor or something like that very strange and I'm just imagining us as the people who cover stuff like that going into that and being like this is the most like tech PR advertising thing I could ever think of.

1:04:58David Imel:I don't know, man. Imagine going to a Google event and having someone running on a treadmill

1:05:01Marques Brownlee:every time you walk in. Imagine someone doing burpees and constantly doing them. Props to that guy. Please stop. Nah, he's got abs of steel. Well, speaking of toothbrushes, have you ever purchased a toothbrush for$499? Here's a fun fact about me that seems to surprise a lot of people. I've never bought an electronic toothbrush. What? What? Do you use one? No. You're like the tech guy. I just use a red toothbrush. Universally, people have agreed that vibrating toothbrushes are more effective.

1:05:34David Imel:Hey, Marquez is like the Michelin star chef who enjoys some Taco Bell every once in a while. Is that the equivalent? I have no idea.

1:05:41Marques Brownlee:I don't know if he has a lot of tech.

1:05:43David Imel:His phone's got too much AI. I got a lot of tech in my life.

1:05:46Marques Brownlee:I've never even used an electronic toothbrush. Is this going to be a hill you're going to die on now? No, no. I have nothing against them. and I may be willing to adopt it. It won't be this one. Why? Because it's$500 and it's got AI and I don't think. But it has a camera. It's also a water pick and there's just a little too much going on there. There's a lot going on. Let's explain what's going on. Yeah, what is the Dyson toothbrush? You tell me. Okay, so it's called the Dyson camera jet and it's called that because that's exactly what it does. It uses a camera which looks in between your teeth and when it notices gaps in your teeth where it thinks that plaque and food might get stuck, it then uses a uh a camera which first they they described the camera's resolution in pixels to make it sound like a lot of resolution really funny it's a 0.1 megapixel it's 100 000 pixels it's so many pixels it's 100 000 pixels is the way they market it which is 0.1 megapixels so they have a 0.1 megapixel camera put that on a billboard yeah 100 000 pixels that monitors the inside of your mouth.

1:06:48When it sees a gap, it then squirts, sprays, hoses. Jets. Jets. Jets is probably the correct term. What is it? Mouthwash. Blasts. Blasts.

1:07:00David Imel:Anyway, I just started blasting. So it's blasted mouthwash in between your teeth. Sure does. And Dyson says, it's the same as flossing. So you gotta fill this thing with, you gotta fill it up? It fills itself up because it has a stand that you charge it on, but it has a air bladder inside of the toothbrush that uses suction to fill its reservoir within three seconds it will refill the reservoir. And it's really over engineered. They say it has AI. Alright. That's 10 agents for motivational speeches. Hear me out. Every time Dyson releases something I'm like, why? That's like a$1 ,000 vacuum cleaner.

1:07:44David Imel:Are you kidding me? And then we use it. And it's the greatest thing you've ever used.

1:07:48Marques Brownlee:No, no, that's a fallacy. I'd like to address this fallacy. They cooked on the vacuums. They absolutely did. Yeah, they did. But just because they cooked on the vacuums doesn't mean we have to say they cooked on everything else. Do you remember the headphones? They did not cook on the headphones. The headphones worked? The headphones, they didn't. I don't know if they worked. They were the dumbest thing I've ever reviewed. They arguably spread more disease than preventative. Yeah, they did not cook on the headphones. It's kind of like whenever people, I always get annoyed by this, and maybe this is overreacting, but people would be like, they'd just react to any new Apple product and be like, eh.

1:08:18Marques Brownlee:I would say something like, I don't see who this is for. The market is too small. And then they go, well, that's what they said about the first iPhone. And I'm like, just because they cooked on one thing does not mean everything else is cooking. So I would say that, like, let's let people, let's let the toothbrush reviewers get their hands on this thing. You know, let's see if it's actually good. The tooth flu. I can't believe I'm like the Ellis defends AI episode. You're not defending AI. You know how some people, like, have like a really complex, like skincare routine. routine at the end of the day.

1:08:45That's how I am with my teeth because I was just like cursed with the least whatever like bacteria combination I have going on here is just the worst. So you're in the target demographic. If I could if I could like justify if I could Sonicare and Waterpik in one session. I don't hate that idea. Is it worth$500? Maybe. Maybe. If it lasts multiple years it might.

1:09:13Marques Brownlee:You know how many toothbrushes like$500. And floss. Analog toothbrushes? Acoustic. I have to use two different kinds of floss, bro. I use regular floss and then I use this stuff called super floss.

1:09:26David Imel:But you'll still have to use floss because I think most people consider a water pick not as good as it. No, but they say it effectively. It's a 33 % reduction in activities. You know what I mean? Because I could go toothbrush. What's your time worth, Ellis? Is it worth$500 over the course of three years?

1:09:41Marques Brownlee:I don't know if I've brought this up before, but remember there was this like super old article that was like one guy went to a hundred different dentists and got like a hundred vastly different opinions on the job and his conclusion was like honestly anyone could say anything and I just kind of have to go with it because I don't know anything about like dentistry I was like dentists might kind of just be scamming me and then a couple years ago I went to my dentist and they did the thing where they're like you've been flossing and I was like yeah but I wasn't I floss every day honestly like your gums would be all these things would be better if you were flossing and I was like you know what I'm gonna do it and for the entire next year I flossed every single night a year?

1:10:26Marques Brownlee:an entire year I brushed twice a day and flossed every single night right I get back to the one year later appointment I go and I sit down and I look in through and before I say anything they go wow you've really been flossing I can tell and I was like oh s*** they can tell and now I keep it up I gotta say the dentists always gas me up and I don't do a good job but I manually it's a genetic lottery thing some people just have the right combination my microbiome in my mouth is incredible nothing was good in here despite all the beautiful things that come out of my mouth the existence of the things inside my mouth are no good it's a yin yang man You can't have both, Ellis.

1:11:14You can't be winning that hard.

1:11:16Marques Brownlee:All this is to say, I don't think a$500 Dyson toothbrush slash water pick is necessary for my routine. It's not necessary for anybody, but it's great.

1:11:26David Imel:I think it might be worth it. I think flossing is going to wait for the reviews. Flossing is better than water picking and way cheaper. So my biggest thing here is everyone else here uses an electric toothbrush, right? Everybody? No. No. You use an acoustic one? I have used electric toothbrushes and I love them. I just never replaced it when it died. So I'm in my acoustic phase. But I'll go back to electric. Are you using your electric one? You're doing your solo album right now? No, I got a regular toothbrush. Oh. Well, so when you guys brush, the way you're supposed to use an electric toothbrush is basically let it do all the work, right?

1:12:02David Imel:And just go across your teeth. Then I could see it no scoping all the gaps in that. But do any of you do it like that? Or do you brush it like a regular toothbrush, even though it's an electric toothbrush? I think most people probably brush it right. I brush it regularly until you told me this. And there's zero chance it's hitting those gaps in that situation. My Philips Sonicare has feedback that lets me know when I'm not brushing. Mine does too. It gives me a little frowny face and I go, I don't care. When you use it incorrectly, the motor kicks on a little extra and goes, like while it's vibrating.

1:12:36mine glows red on the bottom like

1:12:38David Imel:chill chill chill chill what I'm learning not to keep my philip sonicare also when I need to move on to a new part of my mouth it goes like there's tons of feedback it's like every 30 seconds it like does something different to be like oh you're getting closer how much did philip sonicare pay you at mine's oral b I'm just I'm a believer man I'll say though in the dentist thing they do know because mine went using an electric toothbrush right I was like yeah he's like you gotta be calmer with it because it's kind of like your gums are starting to get affected from it.

1:13:09Marques Brownlee:Could they tell that once they started cleaning your teeth or before?

1:13:11David Imel:When they, I mean, they were in my mouth like looking at it. He was like using an electric toothbrush, right? And I was like, yeah. And he's like, yeah, if you're going too hard your gums are getting hit too much with like too much power and it's going to start receding. Do you guys remember tooth tunes? Of course. Yes! Where you have like a what is it, a 60 second song? Didn't they catch on fire? Probably. They were for kids. That's a bad combination.

1:13:36Marques Brownlee:what? I'd argue that a fire in my mouth is equally bad as a fire in a kid's mouth I was wrong I swear there was something about it it sounds familiar though I feel like that was a thing well anyway these two tunes they would play songs and they used bone conduction because they would vibrate on your teeth and you could only hear it so it incentivized the kid to actually keep it on their teeth because it used the bone conduction so they could hear the song they had like Hannah Montana stuff like that you put the right AI agents in this Dyson

1:14:10David Imel:and you've got tooth tunes all you need is a Hannah Montana cartridge or like a 60 second motivational speech oh my god that's what the AI could do yeah okay well I would like a review unit are you gonna send it back how does that work they can't repurpose that if they want my mouth biome go for it do you really want to talk about this Andrew? I want to go so fast because I think it's funny we're potentially getting new Twitter because a company called Operation Bluebird in Virginia is launching their new social media website twitter.now they've been I guess working on it a little while yeah I remember when they announced this because in April they brought it to a US district court where the judge gave a I guess not a ruling but said that he thinks X seems to have given up the word tweet, the Twitter bird logo and possibly the word Twitter, although this is not a written order yet.

1:15:09David Imel:So this Operation Bluebird wants to now take the name Twitter. What's funny is the two founders, one is a former trademark lawyer from Twitter and the other is a trademark attorney, which feels kind of weird that two trademark attorneys want to start a new social media website when it really just sounds like they really want the word Twitter and the blue bird. I mean, everyone kind of does. Everyone does. Yeah. It seems more like a let's get the old popular name and figure it out after that. Anyways, it's going to be a$20 social media platform that uses trust scores versus an algorithm and uses an AI called Vera to provide context and sources on things.

1:15:50David Imel:It all sounds great, but obviously X is not going to be happy about this and this is probably just going to be a giant legal battle. It's going to be a legal battle. I think you can pay$20 to secure your handle now. It's not like you're going to have to pay$20 to use a platform. You can pay$20 to have a handle for giant legal fees that you'll probably never get to use your handle on. Yeah, and I want to say Blue Sky had this chance. Blue Sky is close enough to Twitter. It looks exactly the same. It's better. It's part of the Fediverse. It had all these things going for it, and it still didn't really or hasn't yet overtaken X, taken off Twitter.

1:16:32I just don't think just because they have the name Twitter I think if this had launched immediately after Twitter changed to X there could have been a mass migration and it could have been cool I mean it's already if you go to twitter.now

1:16:45David Imel:404ing and saying we're down this was harder than we thought but yeah I just I miss Twitter none of them are going to work because the base of Twitter is on X now and mostly just fragmented away from it I also think that this, yeah, I think people yearn for the days of social media before algorithmic feeds. But the problem is people's dopamine receptors are just too attuned to algorithmic feeds now. And even if there was a platform that came out that was like, we are healthier, people don't go for the healthy stuff. They eat the candy. They don't eat the vegetables. Yeah. Then your dentist goes, I could tell.

1:17:23I could tell. I could tell. You need to buy the Dyson toothbrush. Have you been on Twitter? Yeah. All right. we need to do another trivia question and then the ad break and then we're going to do a little show and tell because um adam wanted to do show and tell and i forgot my product but i'm gonna you have 30 seconds to think about it i can just tell i can just tell you about it

1:17:42David Imel:you don't need to show yeah it is showing okay anyway google find hub was first announced august of 2013 but it had a different name when it was first announced what was that name August of 2013 2013

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1:19:43Marques Brownlee:All right, welcome back. We're going to do one last segment this week before we dive into the thick of Tech-Tember. And that is a little show and tell. Why not? We've got a couple things brought into the studio or that we're going to tell each other about that maybe we haven't heard of. Who wants to go first? I could go first.

1:20:03David Imel:I'll allow it. Let's go first. For fun. Free break, you didn't even have anything. And now you're going first. So let's do it. I was reminded that I do have something new. You might have not heard of it. It's called the iPhone Fold. I'm kidding. Kidding. We lied before. Kidding. So sometimes the audience likes to care about our watches, which is kind of fun.

1:20:22Marques Brownlee:They do be doing that. We have a lot of watch fanatics on this team. I recently switched over from my very basic Casio over to a Citizen Anna Digitemp. What time is it? It is 12.38 and 52 seconds. Wow. Yeah, it actually is. It doesn't really drift, which is cool. the story of this watch uh i believe it was japan only which is kind of crazy but it can tell the temperature which is kind of cool for a like your temperature like it's or you know it's always pretty off so i couldn't really tell you read the manual i did okay because i i also i own a casio pro track that has a temperature but in the manual they're very clear they're like in order to get a temperature reading you need to leave it in the shade for half an hour yeah it sounds like it's probably correct also on the citizen and a digitemps so the story of this watch is uh for people that don't know i have many baristas okay and uh one of my baristas mateo gave me this watch because he found three of them in a box outside of a design agency yeah that said free nice uh my guess is that the design agency buys a lot of stuff that's very aesthetic much like we do just to kind of like get inspo and then they eventually just threw them away and uh yeah i think it's really nice it's very cool looking and it can it can allegedly tell the temperature but only in celsius because they only risk it in japan it says 1240 on that it says 1240 it is 1240 when i was looking at my my computer it said 1239 so one of them's a little yeah it's funny you say people ask about

1:22:05David Imel:our watches all the time. Marquez has not been wearing a watch because he's wearing his whoop band. On the left hand. And so I was like, oh what's a cool watch Marquez could get? And on a subreddit I saw this Casio Cosmo phase and I was like, Marquez might like that because it has this cool graphic on the top that shows the planet. It's from 1980 and the cheapest one I can find is$2 ,000 and it is beat to hell. So I was like, okay, maybe not. Maybe we won't convince Marquez to wear it. four Dyson toothbrushes

1:22:37Marques Brownlee:for that. I have not seen a lot of analog watches that This is digital. I've not seen a lot of any watches that are of the aesthetic that would make me decide to get a watch. Maybe you should get a watch. Well, we have to find one that I like. Remember when Kevin O 'Leary tried to get me to get a watch and I was like, I like this Apple watch and he was like how dare you he hated that yeah well kevin it's the most sold watch of all time so turns out yeah so anyway it's not as fun and maybe next week i will actually have something i like it but some people care about our watches they'd be watch watching they'd be watching my watch i care i watch your watches all the time adam watches my watches who's next i can go uh i said mine came in a briefcase it's not really a briefcase it's more of like a small Pelican case, but I get asked a lot, is there any tech in Ultimate Frisbee?

1:23:33Marques Brownlee:And usually I say, no, there isn't. But I am on film committee for the team that I play on. We have a lot of committees, logistics committee, travel committee, budget committee, weather committee. That's me.

1:23:48David Imel:You are the weather committee? It's just me. Self-appointed.

1:23:53Marques Brownlee:But film committee always has a tough job because we want to film all of practice in every game that we play. But it's hard to have a good angle and have someone, maybe you hire someone who films every game, has a camcorder. Back in college, we had a camcorder on the sideline. If you weren't playing that point, we would just assign someone to go run over to the camcorder and point it at the action. So we always had film of every game. I swear to God, Marquez, if there's a GoPro in here. It's not a GoPro. It is a camera. It's called, I don't even know how to pronounce it. It's either called the VEO or the VEO.

1:24:22Marques Brownlee:Have you not seen this? No. All right, so this thing right here goes on top of a tripod, a very, very, very tall tripod, like 20 feet in the air, and it sways in the wind. But this thing has two ultrawide cameras on the front, and it's designed, I think, for soccer, because basically what it does is you put it at half field, it sees the entire field, and then it will stitch together this huge, on this huge panoramic image, it will auto-track the players and the ball as they are playing and film the whole practice or the whole game. I heard what you said. Yeah, so it's got this huge panoramic view, but you don't see the whole view unless you want to and the software zoom out.

1:24:59Marques Brownlee:But it will auto-follow the action. And what I think is happening is it's trained on soccer, but a Frisbee flying through the air looks on camera kind of like a soccer ball. And so it appropriately follows a Frisbee game as well. You sure it's not just like human tracking, like it's tracking the person? It tracks the actual object? It sometimes tracks the disc because what happens is we start with seven people on the left, seven people on the right, and there's a kickoff and it always follows the kickoff from the direction that the frisbee comes from.

1:25:28David Imel:It does volleyball, hockey, baseball, football. It's got it all. This is sick. If we can do lacrosse, it can do lacrosse. Yeah, if we can find a lacrosse ball. A lacrosse ball is like this big. This is the second time I'm like, how have I never heard of this before? Because last time you brought in like the juggling balls. I feel like we ask you pretty often on this podcast if there's tech in Ultimate Frisbee and you're like, nah, not really. There kind of isn't really.

1:25:53Marques Brownlee:You have a tracker. Yeah, so on the back, so I have a couple gripes. It's not perfect. The battery life is maybe one and a half games, so it's not a long time. USB Type-C, it's got local storage, but then it's got this really shady, not shady, not a very good app where you have to upload the footage to the cloud. It's also a subscription. It's not ideal, and it's pretty expensive, but it does the thing. I think 10 years ago, we wouldn't call this AI. We'd call it object tracking, but I think today, this would be an AI-powered sports photography it's waterproof it's out in the sun it's like 100 degrees it's baking hot and this thing it's fallen over multiple times you can see the scratches on it it survived it's pretty durable so yeah shout out to the it's like a turtle head yeah would you say that this is a popular product I see one at every tournament I go to really yeah and I see them because like UltiWorld using them or not they do real broadcast cameras but like every team's got one it seems like now I do like the way on the website they show footage, and I do like the way that it's panning and kind of doing a slow zoom, a slow pan.

1:26:58It looks very natural.

1:26:59Marques Brownlee:Yeah, and then they have like an online portal where you can like clips. You can like clip sections and like comment on it. Your whole team can view footage.

1:27:07David Imel:I'd put it in vertical and scroll through all the clips. Yeah, you can do the, you know.

1:27:10Marques Brownlee:Exactly. Yeah.

1:27:11David Imel:I think I'm most impressed by the 20-foot tripod. I want to see that. Does that come with it? That sounds crazy.

1:27:16Marques Brownlee:Fun fact about the tripod. We went to Limerick, Ireland for Worlds. We brought the Veo. We brought the tripod. We flew back. Limerick is a place? Limerick is the name of the city. We flew back. I brought the Veo back. Nobody brought the tripod back. Oh, no. It's still in our Airbnb. And is this a proprietary tripod? No, it's got a quarter 20 on the bottom. But the thing about tripods, when you picture a tripod, it's like the three legs and then the mount at the top. The tripod. But this thing has to be, yeah, it's got to be 20 feet tall. So it's got this tripod section at the bottom, but then a bunch of telescoping like scopes to get really high off the ground, so we got another one of those.

1:27:52Okay.

1:27:52Marques Brownlee:Film committee is on it, for those wondering. Are you the only one on the film committee? No. Okay. No, the other guy on the film committee forgot the tripod. Tripod guy? Yeah. Now Marcus is the only one. There's only one other guy, Marcus. Yeah. So, yeah, I took care of that. All right. All you have to do is check a bag. It's not that hard. All right. Who's next? I'll go next because I think mine is sort of small. Mine is not a physical thing. Yeah, it's an app slash a website. I've hyperlinked it in the show description. If anyone, it's not a new thing. It's a thing I found out about a long time ago and recently rediscovered and have a newfound appreciation for it.

1:28:32It's called Radio Garden is it's very simple. It is in its core, a collection of tens of thousands of radio stations that do digital streams of their their broadcast. but it is wrapped up in a user interface that is very, very similar to Google Earth. So when you want to listen to something, you have the ability to scroll through the globe and be like, what's going on in Panama? What's going on in Korea? It's very, very fun. There's feeds all over the world. It's a very simple application. There's no, you don't sign up for an account. There's no tracking. it's just good it's just good so if you want to enjoy something that is not a for you page

1:29:23Marques Brownlee:I recommend you ever stumble across anything crazy I've stumbled across a few so they curate some pretty cool stations from around the world I also there are some existing online radio stations I really like like WFMU here in Jersey City WVFRM is a good one too Oh, that's like that. We're not we're not on it. Dub Lab NTS, which I just happen to be wearing an NTS shirt today. All of those are already on it. NTSC. But I've I'd say like the best station that I've like stumbled upon that I do a lot is a station from Madrid where we just were called Loca Ambient, which is all just like very calm, ambient music.

1:30:07It's beautifully curated. So, yeah, Radio Garden. Very fun. Nice. That's kind of awesome. Oh, and it's Android, iOS, and browser. Cool. They have apps? They have apps. Oh. Yeah. They're free. Much like Chili's. They got apps, boy. They got apps.

1:30:26David Imel:Sick. All right. Do you want to go, Adam? I'll go last. Okay. Mine is not new. It is an old, well, old-ish thing, but it just like solves a problem that I feel I've had since AirTags came out, which is the thing I lose the most is my keys. and I can't put an AirTag on my keys without a special case, without a special extra thing that I have to get. And most of the time they're trash or they age terribly. So Chipolo came out with the Chipolo Loop, which is just basically an AirTag on this little floppy piece of silicon that is just perfect. And I've been using it. I expected it to break. I've been using it for a couple months now and it still is perfectly on my keys.

1:31:05David Imel:It's a little stretchy and everything. and the Chipotle thing itself is compatible with the Find My Network and with Google's Find Hub, which is perfect. So it's between both. And it has extra functionality because there's a button. So if I press the button, I'm not going to do it now, but it would like set my phone off. So like if I have my keys, but I don't know where my phone is, I can just press the button and it works. It does things like that. It'll be like a selfie camera. So if I put up a camera over there, I can press the button and it'll take a picture. Yeah, it's like really cool. Actually useful.

1:31:33David Imel:And it's like not that expensive. Wait, and you're forgetting the coolest part, which is that what's on the bottom?

1:31:38Marques Brownlee:The recharge.

1:31:39David Imel:USB-C, baby. Oh, you can charge.

1:31:42Marques Brownlee:How long does it last on a charge?

1:31:44David Imel:A couple weeks. Yeah, a couple weeks. I haven't charged it in, I think, like two months maybe. Oh, really? Yeah. Wow. Well, I don't use it that much. I'm sure if you're using it every day, pinging things, maybe it doesn't last as long, but it's fine. I think the ringtone for this that I have is La Cucaracha, which is awesome.

1:32:02Marques Brownlee:It's got a speaker. that's a certified banger product

1:32:06David Imel:that sounds like a great deal mine on the other hand

1:32:12David Imel:so this is why you wanted me to go before you okay I also brought a briefcase you know how many Dyson toothbrushes you could have bought for this I'm going to preface this by saying this is something that was sent to the office this is something that is going to go into the new studio but was taking up room here so I asked Marquez if I could try it out at home until we bring it to the new office. And I have, and I've been loving it. It's called the Vulture One by Beyond Power. It is a portable home workout machine that is essentially a... How big would you say it's a large water bottle size? This is the size of a loaf of bread.

1:32:52David Imel:Very heavy. Yeah. It is essentially a portable, adjustable cable machine. What? Where you have a screen. You have this a place that you can attach workout accessories and then a cable that can adjust to different levels of resistance. And because of how you mount it, there are different ways you can mount it. You can either mount it to a thing that will attach to an average squat rack, something I don't have. You can have something that will attach to a pole. So I have one above. I have a pull up bar in my garage so I can attach it to that. But what's kind of cool is it also has this thing, which I brought behind me, which is a big piece of wood.

1:33:34David Imel:So what you can do is you can attach it onto the piece of wood, lock it in place. And now you standing on it is the weight resistance. Can you hold it up to the camera? Because you're putting it in the exact spot where there's no camera heavy, though. Wow. So if you want to give an example, Marquez or David, do one of you guys want to try this? Okay, so if you take this, I just brought in one singular. So take this and put it on the ground. It's pretty heavy. You're just going to turn the camera.

1:34:12Marques Brownlee:Have you told it how much weight to do?

1:34:14David Imel:No, so what you're going to do is on the touch screen on your left, which is pretty good, you should be able to hit weight training and then there should be a scroll to your left on how much weight you want it to do pick yours and then hit tap to load so choose a weight tap to load now stand on it you're going to do a hundred pound curl or like a squat okay so now grab the handle and pull

1:34:46David Imel:it's up so like with just the stance you can do bicep curls tricep push-up like shoulder push-ups you can do squats you can do deadlift like there's so much you can do with just standing and using your own weight as a counterweight in it and i forget how much it goes up to it goes up pretty high um it is an absurd amount of money for just i don't know how much it goes up to you can try 2 ,400 bucks um is $2 ,200 for just the machine I think at minimum you probably need at minimum you probably need the$2 ,600 like nomad bundle which gives you the board that it connects to a straight bar and one handle it what?

1:35:32Marques Brownlee:It can run out of battery which is a funny thing to say.

1:35:34David Imel:Oh it can run out of battery it's just charged with USB-C I've used this five or six times and it's at 80 %

1:35:39Marques Brownlee:battery i was gonna work out but my weights ran out of battery so yeah sorry yeah um but like

1:35:45David Imel:i don't and it's got all different ways you can change the way the weight resistance works to kind of mimic like people who put chains on things it can do different types of resistance to it um it it's really simple to use the touch screen is actually like pretty solid do you want to try it it. Sure, yeah.

1:36:03Marques Brownlee:It's not cheap, though.

1:36:04David Imel:Just to be... Well, you can see you behind it. It doesn't charge your phone, right? I don't believe so. Okay, for some reason, all of the branding, all of the naming, I thought that's where this is going. Oh, yeah, by Beyond Power. Yeah, I like, this whole time I thought this was a phone charger. Do some bicep curls on camera. That'll help us. Yeah.

1:36:27David Imel:You can't hear the music. It's nice though, right? It has a precision drive motor that can do 5 to 200 pounds.

1:36:40Marques Brownlee:So we can't max out your curl here, but we can do a lot of work.

1:36:44David Imel:I do think this has a really... There's some people that this would be super useful. People who travel van life kind of stuff like that. This is your mobile workout station connected to your van. Use the board outside. You can still get a workout in. It counts your reps. It has an app. I try not to use the app for it. Do you know how many months of a gym membership is$2 ,400? So many. Listen. Van life people should just pay for Planet Fitness. That's also super true. And they get a shower. I think most people who are buying at home or personal workout equipment understand they probably have to spend a lot of money.

1:37:19David Imel:You don't always. You can do secondhand stuff. You either need a lot of space or a lot of money. Or you're in the national parks and they don't have Planet Fitness.

1:37:26Marques Brownlee:Promo videos wrapping it around a tree.

1:37:28David Imel:It has like a strap like in anywhere. It's I really think like people in RVs or stuff like this, if you are living like that, this might be something that's cool. Again, it's so expensive. I am not recommending anyone buys this. The first time I saw it actually was there's a disc golfer who uses it because they are just to save money. They're driving everywhere, but she's really into working out. So this is her mobile workout station when she's at tournaments and stuff. You know, I like seeing things that are really, really, really well made, even if they cost an insane amount of money, like the Dyson toothbrush.

1:38:01But yeah, this seems, I mean, the build quality is crazy.

1:38:04David Imel:It's well made. I've been having a fun time with just in the garage and it's easy to just switch between like everything. It snaps on so nice. Would you say this is a startup or is it like established? I don't know enough about them. I don't know why they sent it to us.

1:38:16Marques Brownlee:but there was startup like well i mean in the world of fitness equipment like this is a pretty niche thing to be doing yeah rather than free weights but it is like very high quality is just really good and the screen is really responsive and the app it looks pretty decent and as far

1:38:31David Imel:as i know it's only one product with a bunch of accessories okay the same product okay um so like it feels like their only thing they've made um yeah again crazy expensive crazy don't go buy it unless you're ready to spend$3 ,000 or whatever. But it's well-made, and I'm going to be really sad when I put it in the gym at the new office. Yeah. That's where we'll be all working at.

1:38:51Marques Brownlee:Yeah. Great. Yeah. Very cool. Cool. Is that everything? I guess that's everything. That was all. That was fun. Only one thing left to do, which is give me trivia points. And then unveil the iPhone fold live on the podcast. I forgot one important disclaimer, which is that Radio Garden, the thing I said is not available in the UK or Turkey or in the UK you can only listen to UK radio stations and in Turkey you could not it doesn't work copyright law no wonder they had pirate radio you have so many markers you see that movie pirate radio yeah I haven't seen it it's a movie I know the general gist of what it's about it's what Johnny Depp they broadcast radio from the sea and then the UK government's very angry at them about it.

1:39:41Yeah. Guys, what came first? The soundbar or the egg or the egg? And by egg, I mean, stereo. Did you press the button? Wait, you did that so sneaky. Soundbar or what? Or stereo cable TV broadcast. That's not cable. Is it cable?

1:39:57David Imel:Whatever. Stereo TV broadcast. I want to ask a clarifying question. Sure. This can only there are only two answers that this could be, correct? Yeah, it could either be soundbar or stereo? There's not a trick question of they came out the same month or something. Nope. Nope. Nope. Because I almost put that because I don't trust you at all. Alright, let's do David first. I wrote soundbar. Soundbar is... Oh, all three of you wrote soundbar. Everyone say soundbar on three. One, two, three. Soundbar. Yay. I was ready to say stereo as the buzzer went off.

1:40:30Marques Brownlee:Even though I gained no ground on them, I'm happy to get a credit point. I was going to say that's the most useless point. tele sound model 1300 um it had this a thing that was kind of popular back in the day called duophonic where you take a mono signal and it kind of tricks your brain into thinking it's sort of stereo but it did have actual stereo capabilities because laser discs and i think vcr tape like vhs tapes at the time had stereo sound so you you could watch some stuff in stereo just your tv wasn't in stereo tv stereo broadcast sort of became a thing about four years later

1:41:04David Imel:Cool. So with that, Marquez now has two points. Let's go. Double them up. Double them up. You ever double up your points?

1:41:13Marques Brownlee:That's crazy.

1:41:14David Imel:Andrew and David tied at five. Yeah, whatever. Tied. That's not that far. Yeah, you're not that far.

1:41:19Marques Brownlee:It was just four to one for a while.

1:41:21David Imel:That was a tough one. When Google Find Hub first launched in 2013, what was it called? Marquez about to get another point. Maybe. We'll see.

1:41:33David Imel:everyone's right in a way you guys all didn't even think about it actually a lot of confidence here i think i remember it now i hope i'm right this would be embarrassing yeah actually i think this is correct we'll see we'll see by the way there's a taco truck thread i saw that did you see the taco bell ice cream taco did the the churros like a choco taco they're doing... I know. I'm so excited. Choco Taco is the best packaged ice cream treat possible. I was going to cut this and now I can't. I know. It's so good. And they're doing an ice cream taco. That's a big claim. The best packaged ice cream.

1:42:13I think it's true. It's really, really good. Chocolate chip cookie. Ice cream sandwich? No. There's a lot of... Ice cream sandwiches are good. Clondike bars are good, but the chewiness of the shell of the Choco tacos. It's so peanuts on ice cream is so slept on. Okay. That's like a like one. I agree. Better than PB &J combo wise.

1:42:32David Imel:My issue with Klondike bars is the last quarter is like the two pieces of chocolate are slipping on the ice cream and you're like I hate all the challenges I have to do just to get one. A Klondike bar? What would you do? Yeah. Oh, sorry. Whatever. No, that was funny. That was good. That was good. All right. Flip them and read. What do we got?

1:42:51Marques Brownlee:Okay. Who wants to go first? I wrote find my Android. So close. I just wrote find. Find? Google find. Wrong. I wrote find my device. Find my device. What?

1:43:05David Imel:No. And I was going to give you the point, Marquez, until I saw David had the correct actual answer. David, why? Sorry. Sorry. Sorry.

1:43:16Marques Brownlee:Okay. Well. It is very. I will give you, Marquez. Google did call everything blank Android before they eventually just moved over. Was it at some point called Find My Android after that? It actually used to be called Google Keep. Google Drive was the car Android Auto? Cool, so I have six? Whatever. I don't even care about Trivial. I don't even care about Trivial. Whatever. Thanks for watching. Thank you for listening. let's embrace Tech-Tember together. And then Tech-tober. And then Tech-vember.

1:43:56David Imel:We're ready for this wild ride with you all. Yeah, it's going to be fun. Keep inflating our views. Thank you. iPhone fold video is going to do 2 billion views.

1:44:05Marques Brownlee:See you from Apple Park.

1:44:07David Imel:Yeah. Peace. Bye. Waveform is produced by Adam Alina and Alice Rovin. Part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. And intro retro music was created by Vainstil.

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