I Refuse to Share my Location, AITA?

11:03Marques Brownlee:freeing up iCloud storage for you yeah you'd be on your own well Google photos life like I have a iCloud family plan with people who are just my friends.

11:12David Imel:Don't tell the world about that. I don't know.

11:15Andrew Edwards:We're still siblings on YouTube TV or Premium or whatever.

11:20David Imel:I would say that the analogy that I would make is Shell creating the whole carbon footprint thing to make individuals feel bad about their carbon footprint, whereas Apple is creating the problem to make individuals feel bad about switching to Android. Bars. So it's Apple's fault. Apple's the asshole, not anyone who changes over. That's a great take.

11:39Marques Brownlee:Apple is the asshole.

11:40David Imel:I like that take. I've just never encountered an issue with this ever. Maybe because I've always just been on Android. Maybe because I have a bunch of family who's on Android. I've just never had a person text me and be like, why are you on Android? I could do you one better. A friend never once. It's a one-way door. And maybe they're saying it behind my back and they're super nice to me, but I just have such a hard time believing there's all this bullying going on.

12:05Marques Brownlee:If you switch to an iPhone, you'll see this whole world of group chats that you were never in.

12:09David Imel:It's like putting on the colorblind glasses for the first time, and I'm like, oh my God, blue. I switch all the time, and at one point when I switched from iPhone to Android, Jess had to make a brand new group chat with me and my family, and she titled it, Adam No Longer Has an iPhone. And that was the title of the group chat. Hold on. It was just, if you switch once, you switch every three months, you're the asshole. Yeah, but Adam keeps his iMessage off, though. So the expectation is that he's never been on iMessage. Really, I know that there's all this data that says that iMessage is not the only thing that keeps people on there.

12:42David Imel:I'm pretty sure it's iMessage. It's the main thing. It's the only reason why I'm still on an iPhone. While we're talking about Apple stuff, am I the asshole? I pay for the iCloud storage for my family and we keep running out of space. Am I the asshole for telling my family to delete photos and videos, but I don't? No. You're paying for all of it. You're paying for it. you're too nice.

13:08Marques Brownlee:If you're going out to a restaurant and you're paying, there's a certain amount that people are allowed to order before they're the ass.

13:16David Imel:That's such a good point. This is me like, I got dinner tonight and then your mom's like, A5 Wagyu. Chill, mom. You're getting a roasted chicken at best, no drink. Adam, you're not an asshole, you're a saint. Yeah, you're paying. Well, it is hypothetical. It's an awkward conversation to have, though. It is. Or like, could everyone toss me a couple bucks for this thing none of you even really knows is a real thing because photos are just getting saved to it now? Yeah.

13:45Marques Brownlee:If you are in that specific situation, you have every right to ask the people participating to chip in so that they don't have to delete stuff. But if they're not going to chip in and you're the one paying, you're not the asshole. You tell them to delete some stuff. 100%. I agree. 100%.

13:59David Imel:Okay, nice.

14:00Marques Brownlee:Not the asshole.

14:01David Imel:This one's inspired by a Reddit post. am I the asshole for bringing my Xbox on my honeymoon? Divorce it. Dependent on the person. I don't want to get into the specifics

14:12Andrew Edwards:of this person's relationship that they followed in the post, so just take this as abstract as you can.

14:17Marques Brownlee:This is a person that would bring their Xbox on their honeymoon.

14:20Andrew Edwards:They wrote so much stuff.

14:22David Imel:What game are they playing?

14:27David Imel:If you're married to this guy, shouldn't you know how much he likes playing? I don't know. Wait, this is so bad. I want to try We can't do this. I want to try and turn this into how do we make it okay to bring the Xbox on the honeymoon? If you have

14:44Marques Brownlee:boundaries on when you're allowed I assume there's some issue that they will have with the amount of time that will be spent playing the Xbox versus doing other honeymoon.

14:53David Imel:Yeah, just bring your

14:54Marques Brownlee:Steam Deck, man. It's way easier. It's the portable Xbox to ROG Ally. You gotta get one of those things. The ROG Ally Xbox X. ROG Xbox Ally X.

15:06David Imel:Is it like, does he not sleep that much? And maybe he's like, oh, I want to play some Xbox while she sleeps a full eight hours and relax and I'm a four hour sleeper. Sounds like you're speaking from experience here. No, dude, no. I don't think my honeymoon had a TV in the hotel room. I do play Dota with a guy in Egypt who just had a kid and he plays with me when his wife goes to bed. That's fine. But did anyone see the clip of the guy who brought his Xbox to the labor and delivery room and he's getting handed the baby and he takes his headset off. It has to be parody. It has to be parody, right?

15:43David Imel:Otherwise, that's an addiction. That's crazy. How long is the honeymoon? Some people go on really long honeymoon. I'm trying here because it's so obviously the asshole. What if he has a weekly meetup with his brother? He's got a raise. It's your honeymoon. He's got raids. He's playing WoW. What if he's playing WoW and he's got a raids? And he's the core. He could be the guild leader. Oh wait, it's Xbox. Everyone changes their mind. I think you gotta be able to find a way to... How about communication? Let's start there.

16:16Andrew Edwards:If you're marrying anyone other than Princess Peach or Cortana, you don't need video games on your honeymoon. Unless you're both

16:26David Imel:playing, which then you would need to bring two Xboxes. Oh, yeah, bring a controller. Bring an extra controller. How many clothes are you leaving behind to pack that? That's a lot. It's a lot of... It's the Asus ROG Xbox Ally X. All the Xboxes are pretty big.

16:41Andrew Edwards:No, the S, the Series S.

16:44David Imel:Xbox Series S is the smallest. But that controller, power cables, audio video cables, headset. Yeah.

16:51Andrew Edwards:The power adapter. There's a few exceptions, but...

16:54David Imel:You're the asshole.

16:55Andrew Edwards:Probably not the coolest move to bring. Yeah, I wouldn't. What if she loves playing the game with you?

16:59Marques Brownlee:That's different. I don't think this would be in Reddit if that was clear. Yeah, I guess so.

17:04David Imel:Yeah. No, PlayStation. Totally cool. Also, I just don't think people on the internet should just be speculating about each other's relationships.

17:13Andrew Edwards:This one is straight from Reddit. And I'm going to read this one all the way through because this one is, am I the asshole for connecting to the AirPod that my niece swallowed to see if it would play in her stomach? When my three-year-old niece swallowed my sister's left AirPod, everyone started worrying right away. I was trying to lighten the situation, so I connected the AirPod to my phone and put my ear on her stomach to check if I could hear it. surprisingly I actually did hear a little sound coming from inside her which made the moment a bit funny to me the people around us did not find it amusing they all looked at me like I was I wasn't taking things seriously at all I

18:02David Imel:I don't think you should have done that yeah no that's really funny I get the invasive thought the intrusive thought I get that completely but the problem was already that she swallowed a giant piece of plastic with a battery in it and you just don't know what it's going to do if you play music through it while someone has it in their stuff especially a young child. If you're just trying to lighten the mood for the kid who's potentially scared you can just pretend you heard music. You can be like, oh let me see if there's music playing and you don't have to go through the whole process of connecting to it.

18:36David Imel:I understand the invasive thought though.

18:38Marques Brownlee:Counterpoint. This was a purely utility based decision. someone has to have it in their find my just in case you can't find it it's already the guy's air pod already he already has it

18:51David Imel:it's his girlfriend or wife's air pod

18:54Andrew Edwards:what do you mean

18:56Marques Brownlee:they know she swallowed it or they think she swallowed it

18:58Andrew Edwards:it seems like

19:00Marques Brownlee:was this to confirm that she swallowed it or they're like she definitely swallowed it it seemed like he was like

19:06Andrew Edwards:you know it would be really funny

19:07David Imel:while all of them are like what should we do he was like I should play music

19:11Marques Brownlee:I thought it was like, I think she swallowed the AirPod and they were like, oh my God, did she swallow the AirPod? And he connected to it and it was like.

19:17David Imel:That's fair. Yeah. Totally fair.

19:19Marques Brownlee:It's definitely there. Or if it was like, did they know already? Have you seen that?

19:24Andrew Edwards:Maybe it's not utility anymore. Do you see, I see that like TikTok, Instagram, real short from video thing. That was like that music for like funk for frogs with all the like. Nope. No. Okay. Someone knows what I'm talking about and they know that that's the only appropriate song to play in someone's stomach. Oh my God. I've seen it just sounds like

19:42David Imel:David Blaine's stomach yeah um I feel like if he's has the time to do all of that they couldn't have all been that worried of the situation or they would have already been driving her to the hospital no

19:57Marques Brownlee:yeah I don't know how worried do you have to be about her pod

20:00David Imel:they're probably all searching what to do well it's like should we wait for it to come out or do we have to take her if Blaine swallows an air pod I'm going to the hospital yeah

20:09Marques Brownlee:yeah He's a three-year-old, though, so I don't know.

20:11David Imel:And listen, I understand in America that might automatically mean a bill that's literally terrifying, so maybe that's different. I would go to urgent care and get an opinion. Okay, that'll be like$5 ,000. No, it wouldn't. Yeah, it'd be like$10 ,000. I'd probably let the situation... I would confirm everything's safe before I start screwing around like that. How do you even confirm that? A doctor. A doctor. I would wait until I have to tell you who the hospital is.

20:41Marques Brownlee:I thought you meant while they're there trying to figure it out you would confirm and the doctor's like are you sure she swallowed it and he's like yeah listen listen yeah that's definitely in there

20:54yeah

20:56David Imel:alright so are we agreeing he's probably the asshole yeah yeah yeah it was a poor move I understand the intrusive thought if it was like a fake scenario with like a fake daughter then yeah I'd do it But if it was a real daughter, no. Fair enough. I'm going to be a good guy. All right. This one comes from someone in the studio. You guys can guess who after this. Rich. Mariah. After this. Am I the asshole for correcting someone who said their phone has 256 gigs of RAM? Something I would do. No, I would do. Yeah, this seems targeted. I would do it instantaneously.

21:33Marques Brownlee:Honestly, in this studio.

21:34David Imel:I think my storage kind of has RAM, though.

21:36Marques Brownlee:If the context. Okay, first the am I an asshole part. Not really. It's probably harmless that the person doesn't know the difference between storage and RAM. As long as you didn't say it like an asshole. Yeah, that's what we find.

21:50David Imel:You're just kind of a well actually person. Nobody really likes. I think it's probably fine. People probably don't understand that everyone who works here isn't like a megaphone nerd. Like there are a lot of talented people here who don't do what, yeah.

22:04Marques Brownlee:They said RAM. They were right there. They're so close.

22:06David Imel:I think in us telling each other when a mistake like that happens is beneficial. So we don't. I mean, we're a company that talks about tech a lot. So yeah, say it nicely. I think everyone in here knows how to say things nicely. Say, well, technically it is like swap memory. Okay.

22:21Marques Brownlee:What if it wasn't here? What if it was just like out and about in life? Oh. And like some random person was like, yeah, my phone, I think it was 256 gigs of RAM. And you were like, memory. I would just be like storage.

22:33David Imel:I'm the asshole because I don't care enough to correct them.

22:37Andrew Edwards:Yeah, I don't know. Here's the follow-up is, I think you're right, it's like I understand, but what if someone uses the word memory when they mean storage?

22:48Marques Brownlee:You know, there is, I was thinking about that. I don't think this computer exists, but I think there at some point was a Mac Studio or something where you could genuinely get either 256 gigs of storage or 256 gigs of RAM.

23:04David Imel:Wait.

23:04Marques Brownlee:Right? Isn't the Mac Studio, you can get like half a terabyte maybe? Half a terabyte maybe? Can you also get half a terabyte of memory? But it's not either or, right? Well, you could. You could get both. Oh, you could get both. You could say it to the person and they could be like, are you sure you mean memory? for storage and that is the one computer where it actually matters yeah otherwise it kind of doesn't usually matter you would know that yeah there's kind of a random one-off situation the

23:31David Imel:whole thing of like calling storage memory irks me so much but i know that's because i'm a turd and like i should not go correcting people like that but there have been i've seen walmart uh like plaques in front of laptops that say like 256 gigs of memory and it's like that's just wrong so i I guess it's a reasonable mistake to make. It's fine. I'm never correcting someone in public. Wasn't there like a colloquial tech spec on phones that everyone used to call some spec and then it wasn't technically correct, but everyone would get upset. Is that the XL mark? No.

24:04Marques Brownlee:It was like there was some spec that we called it. Like a one-inch sensor or something? How it's not really one-inch? It wasn't that. It was like, yeah, maybe we should just cut this.

24:15David Imel:I don't remember what it is, but I just remember someone getting mad at me in the injured authority comments being like it's not that and i was like yeah but everyone calls

24:22Marques Brownlee:it that yeah i was gonna say that that's the other thing is are online people correcting us assholes not really because you expect us to get it right and it's important but if it's just a random person out there not that important i yeah okay who in the office someone in the office

24:40David Imel:corrected someone outside of the office about this came from someone in the office okay they don't specify who they corrected or anything like that it's just this wasn't a thing that happened and hypothetical yeah hypothetically yeah i just kind of think it makes you a well actually kind of person the best kind of person like that person probably doesn't even know what ram is well actually they do know what ram is who no i'm joking no it was miles miles doesn't know what ram is he's a he has a nexus 6p doesn't need ram where we're going we don't need ram uh i'm gonna say kinda yeah kinda for saying it for just for correct for being the well actually

25:22Marques Brownlee:guy that nobody wants to be around what if they're telling you like i'm about to go buy this thing then i would correct them then i would make sure they know that's a good point this is like when

25:30David Imel:my sister like texted me that she bought a mac mini and i was like oh you know you can buy the higher storage one for the same price for the next week right you should return it and bring it back She's like, no, I'm good. I was like, what? She's like, what am I going to use the storage for? I was like, it doesn't matter. I don't know. She's like, I just go on websites. I was like, oh, my God.

25:54Marques Brownlee:I guess she's fine. I guess she's fine. This is also funny because this gets kind of close to my am I an asshole, but not exactly. Well, that's a great segue. Should I just do mine? Yeah, do yours. All right, I brought one. Am I an asshole? Am I the asshole? Tech edition. Okay. Okay. Okay. So you know how when people are out and like hanging around, socializing, just randomly having conversations? Outside. Never done that. Outside sometimes, yeah. They'll touch grass and they'll be like, hey, I wonder like why is the grass like this? Or like you ever wonder this random thing? And they'll just bring up a random fact.

26:25Marques Brownlee:Like you ever know? And then that will be like the fodder of the conversation for like five minutes. Yeah. Every single time. You just look at it. I take out my phone and I look up the answer. Yeah. Because I feel like our conversation should be about the answer instead of just kind of wandering around. And I always wonder, like, am I the asshole for that? No. I know you want to just have a conversation. This is meaningless. You don't care what the answer is. But wouldn't it be better if we had to hear you? This isn't Joe Rogan. We can get straight to the point.

26:59David Imel:I hear you. You know? I literally have had friends be like, we don't need to look it up. We just need to bathe in the magic of wondering. I think it depends on the conversation.

27:09Marques Brownlee:But we have unlimited information. We live in 2026. We can just say it into the air and the answer will appear.

27:17David Imel:I understand the value of having this maybe, maybe conversation. And maybe you can give that two minutes. I was going to say, you should personally set a timer.

27:25Marques Brownlee:What if you just go, what does everyone think it is? That's actually usually how it goes. Everyone will go like, man, how tall do you think that giraffe is? Is that tall for a giraffe? and before you've even finished thinking about it I've googled the average height of a giraffe because what good is the rest of our conversation if there's no basis in reality

27:48David Imel:you know

27:50Marques Brownlee:you can tell me if I'm the asshole I want to know

27:53David Imel:I don't want to say you're the asshole because I do the exact same thing but it is kind of an asshole we can both be assholes that's such a good one describe it is like what is the value in continuing to talk when we already know I'm just imagining Marquez is like oh no that's average for draft and then everyone just sits there quiet and looks at each other and he's like yeah we all know this is exactly how the Suno CEO came up with that people actually like making music if you could just generate music wouldn't you just do that yeah musicians famously hate making music

28:30Marques Brownlee:yeah I think people just like having conversations and like speculating randomly. Yes. But if there's like a real answer, I just I don't think it detracts from the conversation. We could just like pivot the conversation a little. You can just stand in the corner

28:45David Imel:with the knowledge and let them kind of do it. I try sometimes. I try. I'm imagining Marquez at bar trivia. How is anyone getting this wrong? I can type this so easy.

28:57Andrew Edwards:I wouldn't do this at bar trivia. I do like the idea of Marquez looking up the answer and then just keeping it to himself.

29:06Andrew Edwards:they don't know

29:07Marques Brownlee:I recently did that and then I waited to the end of the conversation and then I just spit out the answer nobody cared it wasn't valuable

29:16Andrew Edwards:that makes me the asshole in case anyone's wondering I let you peasants run in your frivolous little circles

29:25David Imel:you know how they say that the argument's never about the dishes the conversation's never about the answer that's exactly right it's just about it's about the connection it just depends also like if you're in the middle of a conversation about i don't know philosophy or something and then someone's trying to quote this one philosopher but they can't quite remember the name but that's not like important to the point i think it makes you the asshole to really quickly google that philosopher and be like well actually to your point it was this person blah blah but i but continue right yeah you know like that yeah it's about the broader conversation but if it's just like who is that guy that said this thing?

30:00David Imel:Then yeah, just f*** it.

30:00Marques Brownlee:It'll usually be a conversation where the conversation is guessing about a fact. Like, how far away do you think that mountain is? It looks like it's so far away and I'm already on Google Maps. It's not like we were gonna have the conversation of being like, well, it's super tall, but usually buildings look really tall when they're far away, but when it looks like the size of the entire state building, like they were gonna have this whole conversation and I sort of just fast forward we could skip the whole talking thing we could just move on double tapped on the right side of the screen yeah I just fast forward

30:37David Imel:I feel like Marquez is arguing for us to call him an asshole right I like this one because it's so nuanced this is so good the problem is I do this too so if you guys decide that it's an asshole thing I do this too I think you're aware enough that makes you not the asshole I just can't stop it sounds like you're gonna search no matter what you wanna know the answer It sounds like you are aware enough in the conversations to know when to bring it up, which in itself is being polite enough for everybody. Sure. Yeah. But now anytime we're talking, if I see Marquez just looking like he's going to like, you know, the meme where the guy's like veins popping out of his head.

31:14David Imel:That's Marquez with the answer. I have an extension of this that I realize that I'm kind of an asshole for doing, but I want your opinion. okay so it's when like one of my friends says something and i just don't think it's true and i immediately look it up and i'm not like i do this all the time i'm like i don't really think that's i literally did this to you on the podcast this morning when you said i was been using final cut seven that's different i was like trying to be fact trying to be sure that was for trivia but just prove that you misinformation yeah i just did it no and so like i've had they will mock me now.

31:52David Imel:Every time I'm like, they're like, I don't think that's quite right. It's complicated.

32:00Marques Brownlee:You gotta bring it up tactfully. I'm like, I'm sorry.

32:05David Imel:But if you don't do it in that moment, then when it's eating away at you later, it's way worse to call them at 9pm and be like, you were wrong about this. Hang the phone up.

32:15Andrew Edwards:Here's my version of this. When someone you know post something on social media that you know is factually inaccurate or worse mis-slash-disinformation. I would text them and say this is wrong. Because someone I know did that. They posted something on their story that was so obviously that person did not say that. And I wasn't like... I haven't posted it in a while, so I think I'm okay. It wasn't anyone in this room. But it was someone who works here.

32:48David Imel:On social media? If I like really like them and know it was probably by accident, I'll throw a message. If I know it's probably misinformation, I probably just unfriend them because I'm so tired of that on social media at this point.

33:01Andrew Edwards:I would always at least bring it up. I did not. So I guess I guess that makes I thought I was not being the asshole by not bringing it up.

33:07David Imel:But it sounds like I know that sounds like there's so much nuance to it. Yeah, there was a nuance. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

33:13Marques Brownlee:Yeah. And the relationship with the person. Yeah, it's.

33:15Andrew Edwards:Do you think that the misquote was like you don't think it was intentional? I know it wasn't intentional because the commentary about the quote was like can you believe this person said this to which I was like no I cannot believe that this person and then yeah I'd bring it up to them

33:33Marques Brownlee:I think facts are important so you know that's why I tend to google things way too soon stand in the corner and let people talk

33:40Andrew Edwards:well I think on that note it begs the question am I the asshole for taking us to a quick ad break and letting everyone now know that we'll be right back. I'm going to have to look that up. Well, while you look that up, here's a word from our sponsors read by us or maybe someone else.

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36:01Andrew Edwards:Nice to E meet you This person is asking if they're the asshole For hating people who say nice to me.

36:10David Imel:Oh, no. No, I hate everyone who says that. If I see the email and it says that, I delete it immediately. I don't go that far, but it's immediate sour taste. And I almost assume they do not care about the email. Yeah, like, who are you, Vince Cerf? Like, did you just receive the first email ever? I swear to God. Do you guys see it differently as the opening email to you that says it? Or when someone gets added to an email where a conversation's been going on and the other person feels kind of awkward coming into the conversation. They're like, oh, hey, nice to meet you. Just say meet. I don't care.

36:46David Imel:Yeah, it's just meet. I feel like it's fine. Meet or just be introduced.

36:50Marques Brownlee:Yeah. I had an in-person version of this recently. So fun fact, when we went and shot the Rivian R2, we went up to California, me and Miles, and there was a couple other YouTubers there. Doug DeMuro was there. Went up and said, hey, Doug, good to see you. He said, nice to meet you. I was like, oh, we haven't met you. You guys have never met in real? And I, in that moment, realized we'd never met. And I do this to other people all the time where I'll go, hi, good to meet you. And they'll go, good to see you again. And I'll go, shit. Well, it's because good to see you again is the safest possible thing.

37:18Marques Brownlee:So I don't know if you've met. Exactly. So I've just erased nice to meet you. And I never say nice to meet you ever to anyone. I just say good to see you. That's a strong move. Because there's always a chance. It's the power move. Yeah. Yeah. So nice to meet you is kind of weird. I often say it's great to finally meet in real life.

37:33David Imel:or just nice to finally meet you is like I'm surprised I haven't met you what if we met already then I'm an asshole

37:43Andrew Edwards:what if you already e-met them but not IRL meet

37:47Marques Brownlee:yeah there's obviously a difference but you don't have to say e-meat I'm not mad if someone says it but I'm not like I don't like it

37:57Andrew Edwards:I prefer saying thank you for gracing my digital sanctum Jesus that's never mind say E-meet

38:06David Imel:please say E-meet

38:07Andrew Edwards:who would you rather have now E-meet is do you want to guess who is so pissed off by the phrase nice to E-meet you that they felt the need to Mariah I would guess at that point it's Jono because he just has the most emails it's not Jono and it's not Mariah I don't think Mariah gets that pissed off about anything

38:21Marques Brownlee:nice to E-meet you I feel like almost everyone would hate that did Eric hate that I could see Eric doing the like

38:29David Imel:semi-Seinfeld joke about it at lunch

38:32Andrew Edwards:Is it Vin? It feels very obvious to me, but maybe it's because I know the answer. Nope. Who gets emails? Harper. I hated that. Nope. Wow. Who's left? Michael?

38:41David Imel:Nope. Nice to meet you. I wish it was Marquez saying this one. Tim. Tim. Tim. I see you. I could see that. Tim and I get annoyed at the same thing. Everyone email Tim and just say hi. Nice to meet you. Tim at mcvh.com. I'm going to slack him that later.

38:58Andrew Edwards:Here's another one from Inside the House. That was a bad joke. It's coming from inside. That was so bad. Would I be the asshole for checking my phone while watching a movie at home with someone without getting a notification first? Yeah. Okay. You're at home.

39:16Marques Brownlee:Yeah, you're at home. You're just checking just to see.

39:19Andrew Edwards:You're just checking because phantom limbs. Describe checking.

39:22David Imel:Describe checking. Just like unlocking, locking.

39:24Andrew Edwards:This person specifically mentioned that you are not scrolling. You're just addicted. You are unlocking.

39:29David Imel:Yeah, you're just addicted. You're unlocking, see no notifications, turn it off, put it face down again? Sure. I don't think it makes you an asshole because it's like we've been accustomed. You're just a modern human. Yeah. Unfortunately. You're checking the extension of your body. Aren't all modern humans assholes? You're just alive in 2026. I mean, everyone unlocks their phone, unlocks it, being like, what the heck am I doing? All the time. So I don't think that that makes you an asshole. Not during a movie, bro.

39:56Marques Brownlee:I think the fact that during a movie you put the phone down and went, am I an asshole? I think that's enough that you're not an asshole. Looking up something.

40:03David Imel:Awareness is key in a lot of these, it feels. I don't know. Like just using an app separately from the movie. I think you're kind of an asshole. I think you're not the asshole. But I think if you're thinking about it, you've realized that like, man, I need to work on my phone behavior.

40:16Andrew Edwards:I'm willing to die on this hill. I don't think you can pull your phone out even for one second, even for one frame of a movie. and still say you watched the movie there's not a sing if you i think the movie should be better

40:31David Imel:and i shouldn't want to pull my phone if you're watching a movie there's no slow parts in movies

40:35Andrew Edwards:i'm not saying you can't like blink no but it's dude the amount of times i've been like yo i'm really excited to show you this movie yeah and someone pulls their phone out for two seconds and there's just there's not a single two seconds that i would say like yeah you could miss those two you know so that nothing man it's like when i'm having a conversation with someone

40:53David Imel:and then they just start texting someone. And I'm like, damn. Oh, I do that all the time. I know. We're all cooked with these Orion. That's a glass. Oh, yeah. I'm totally watching this movie. Yeah.

41:06Marques Brownlee:Well, if you tell someone to watch a movie, but they're wearing their meta Orion smart glasses.

41:11Andrew Edwards:Should we do that next? Because that's also... Wait, real quick. So you are an asshole for pulling your phone out. I'm overriding you. Am I an asshole for... Yeah, for any reason during the movie.

41:20David Imel:Am I an asshole for owning meta display smart glasses? Yes.

41:23Andrew Edwards:If we're at your house and we're watching a movie that you wanted to watch, you can pull out your phone and do it all the time. But if I'm watching a movie.

41:31David Imel:I will say movie theater, dark, tons of other people, don't pull your phone out at all. Like even just the real quick look at it is like a flashbang going off, I feel like. Don't do it. I'm going to say life hack, which last time I said life hack, someone put it in a clip and said David's top productivity happens, which is insane because I'm not a productive person. And it was literally making my bed in the morning.

41:53Andrew Edwards:They turned into a YouTube clip for some reason. Anyway. Is that about the time when you were like, I feel so much better to have your bed made when you get to work? Yeah, and then someone made a YouTube short. It's not a life hack. That's actually something that takes more time. Productivity hack. That's not a...

42:08David Imel:Anyway, I think people should use Do Not Disturb way more than they do currently. Yeah. I am so liberal with that Do Not Disturb button. As soon as I start watching a movie with a friend, Do Not Disturb. Yeah, these phones over here, Do Not Disturb.

42:21Andrew Edwards:Go to dinner, Do Not Disturb. I saw a screenshot on Twitter of someone who in their email signature, like the automatically generated email signature, it said, I only respond to emails on Tuesdays between 7 and 8 and Thursdays between 7 and 8 p.m. Which was like, that's like I'm not emailing that person. That's sick. I could never do that. But that's sick as hell to just be like, listen, you're going to hear from me.

42:44David Imel:Like I'm outside this time. I'm outside your house trying to deliver this package. Where are you? Sorry. Just email. Just email. I like that because if you don't, then you know, okay, I sent this email. Oh, it's Tuesday at 9 o 'clock now. I ain't getting an email back. You've lost already.

43:01Marques Brownlee:That's a good policy for someone who doesn't get that many emails.

43:06Andrew Edwards:Marquez, you did bring up a good thing. So I want to talk about VR headset usage because so many of these things got passed. AR, XR. Are we talking about the glasses or the headset? We're talking about the headset. The headset. Someone in the office asked Vision Pro on the airplane Would you be the asshole for end of the day bed scroll with your partner doing it in a Vision Pro Yes

43:34David Imel:It's just like the Apple ad where they're just like watching a movie on the Vision Pro together Is your mouth open or closed when you're doing this But you're in bed with your partner you want to watch something, they're asleep inside of it. You said bed scroll.

43:52Andrew Edwards:That's true. I think it sort of implied that your partner's awake. It's a group activity. Oh, okay.

43:59David Imel:I was going to say, because there's so many times I'm watching TV while Claire falls asleep. And in that scenario, the TV is on and the whole room is bright because I'm watching the TV. So using a VR headset might be the more polite way of doing it. I've seen that argument. Unless she wakes up and sees me in a VR headset and then it scares the ever-living piss out of her. I've seen that argument.

44:17Marques Brownlee:I've also seen the argument of, well, if you're late night gaming or watching a movie, for example. If you're on your honeymoon. Your partner's trying to sleep, but you want to watch a movie, you have the headset on and the headphones on so that you're not waking up the person sleeping. That is the opposite of being an asshole. It's pretty courteous of you to put a headset on. Yeah, but it's still creepy. But what you're describing, which is a group activity, the late about to go to sleep scroll, where you show them something and you're like, laugh, laugh. Then I think you have to take the headset off.

44:52Marques Brownlee:You can't share that with them. What's the feature where they can see the same thing? Share spaces? Unless you're doing that, then you're really modern. I don't think anyone has ever done that outside of the Apple campus. I do once a year for the briefing. Yeah, for the briefing. And I'm like, oh, we can play chess in Vision Pro. And then I'm like.

45:13David Imel:Maybe play chess in real life. A lot of these relationship ones can usually be done with just talk to your partner before you do the thing. It's probably way easier. Or before you do the thing, yeah. I have one that's inspired by our very own Ellis. So Ellis, you cannot partake in this one. My packages keep getting stolen from my apartment. So I installed a ring camera. my neighbor then complained that he doesn't feel comfortable because it's pointed right at his front door but i refuse to remove it am i the asshole yes no isn't whoa ellis saying this from the position of his neighbor what no i wrote this yeah yeah oh i'm saying it's inspired by ellis's

45:52Andrew Edwards:story he told a couple weeks ago okay yeah even though this literally happened to me like i am literally that guy was that guy that neighbor no longer is my neighbor but um so none of my current neighbors ever better put up a ring camera because it'll happen to you too you'll also be a former neighbor but um uh but uh i'm not even sure that they're the asshole you know

46:14Marques Brownlee:i think if the explicit problem was their packages keep getting stolen then that is a valid attempt at dissuading or solving or getting a that's like the best way to like get a picture of the person pointed at your door it happens to also like an apartment in my situation it's it's a like where

46:32Andrew Edwards:I'm at sort of like the corner of a hallway. And so there's two doors perpendicular to one another. So their doorbell being on their door. Faces right at your door. Faces right at my door. I am realizing at this moment they could have gotten one of the angled holers. So it goes across their door perpendicular. And then we'll look at a wall. So maybe.

46:50David Imel:Yeah, but what's it going to stop if it looks at a wall?

46:53Andrew Edwards:What's a ring camera going to stop anyway?

46:55David Imel:Or not stop. You're going to see who's stealing it. You know there's a 50 % chance they think you're stealing the packages, right?

47:01Andrew Edwards:Look at me. I mean, it does kind of sound like, hey, they take out your ring cam. But first of all, I just want to say there's proof at how ridiculous all this is. They still got all of their mail stolen with the ring camera. But now they have a photo of the person. I know the guy was like, no one would ever commit a crime when there's cameras everywhere.

47:20David Imel:What an accent. A plus.

47:22Andrew Edwards:That was my dumb guy accent. Yeah.

47:24David Imel:It sounds very New York.

47:27Marques Brownlee:I think that if I was in that neighbor's shoes and I was like, dang, my packages keep getting stolen and I'm going to keep getting packages. What is the most productive thing that I can do in this case? I can't prevent the packages from being stolen if they keep getting delivered, but I can get a literal photo of the person who's stealing the packages and then maybe get that to the police or something. I can do something here with a ring camera. I was set a trap. but then if your neighbor comes okay mark rover but then if your neighbor comes and says like hey this bothers me then he could be like hey neighbor i understand this bothers you what's been bothering me is all my packages getting stolen so maybe we could collaborate here on like a solution that

48:07Andrew Edwards:works for both of us man i know you said i'm not allowed to try man and i definitely got because i no i i yeah it's like just mine you can put a ring camera you know facing not my like there is a there is a way. That's a good class. I should have proposed that. That was on me. Also, I live in the same building and I just don't ship stuff there.

48:31David Imel:Yeah.

48:32Andrew Edwards:I was going to say...

48:32David Imel:Not everyone has that benefit of being able to get it to their work or something like that. Depends on what you order.

48:38Andrew Edwards:There's ways to figure this out. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

48:42Marques Brownlee:If that guy was stealing that person's... This guy definitely thinks Alice is stealing the package. I really hope

48:48Andrew Edwards:these neighbors, these former neighbors who were really, really great neighbors don't hear this.

48:54David Imel:If I had my packages stolen, put up a ring camera, and immediately my neighbor was like, you take that camera down? I would be like, oh my God, I know who's doing it now. I'm definitely leaving it up. I'd be like, oh, it's a fake camera. And then it'd be on, and then I'd watch Ellis steal my packages.

49:12Marques Brownlee:That's what he was probably hoping. He was probably shocked when it wasn't Ellis stealing the packages.

49:15David Imel:It's a tough one. I think also in a situation where you're living in an apartment complex or whatever, where doors are so close, it's like a... It's tough to figure stuff out like that.

49:26Andrew Edwards:But I still wouldn't... I still, even though I was the one aggrieved by the situation, I still would not say you're the asshole for doing that. Maybe it's just because I like these people, but...

49:36David Imel:Don't backtrack now. You were just threatening them 10 minutes ago.

49:40Marques Brownlee:We just know that they're not... Listen, I love them. All their packages were great.

49:46Andrew Edwards:I didn't steal any packages.

49:47Marques Brownlee:If it's all about intent, then I would say the intent is not bad. They're not an asshole. Oh, it's the asshole?

49:56David Imel:I can throw mine out if we're ready for another one. I had a hard time thinking of mine because I think I'm extremely unconfrontational, so I'd rather just not be the asshole. What an asshole. But then... Sometimes not being the asshole makes you the asshole. Well, probably. I also say I can't think of any, but that doesn't mean that no one else can think of one, because Marquez thought of one immediately. Um, which is, I don't, I think people in this room will agree with me. I'm not the asshole, but I think the reason they'll agree with me probably makes me more of an asshole. And I'll explain that in a second.

50:28David Imel:Marquez said, well, you do use a mechanical keyboard inside the studio with other people who work here. You're the asshole. A lot of people online call me the asshole for that. I think the reason you guys might not is because I've probably convinced all of you guys to also use mechanical keyboards in the studio, which makes me a bigger asshole because now lots of people use mechanical keyboards. There's no such thing as silence in this studio. There's already enough sound pollution

50:52Marques Brownlee:all the time that it just kind of fades into the background. There's like a din of the studio now of like the HVACs and the mechanical keyboards and the dog footprints or whatever the pitter patter. It's just kind of like always a little bit of noise. There were only like five of us. It was like eerily quiet sometimes.

51:08David Imel:You'd be like, you know, doing this on your desk and I'd just be like typing and I'd be like, nobody's talking. it's super weird I can't talk to Adam yeah he would just text me like what do you think they're thinking about you can know when someone's really in the zone too because it's just

51:25Marques Brownlee:yeah I'm picturing what's that Apple TV show Severance you know like a workspace like that where it's like just stark and like one person has a mechanical keyboard that would be pretty bad that would feel like you're

51:37David Imel:making too much noise so I'm not the asshole because I gave you all enough keyboards to make it not solely my fault anymore.

51:45Marques Brownlee:You helped increase the noise floor enough that you weren't such an outlier anymore. So yeah, you're not the asshole.

51:53David Imel:I have a feeling out of everything we've talked about in the comments, I'm going to get shit on the most right now. People really get, all the studio videos we've made about mechanical keyboards is a lot of people being really mad at me for even thinking about using one in the office. It's very satisfying.

52:08Marques Brownlee:That's like the, see, every hobby has this. It's like people who like loud cars. It's like, well, all your neighbors hate you. but if all your neighbors had loud cars, you'd all be chill. The thing about a loud car,

52:18David Imel:because I am one of those neighbors that hates loud cars, is don't, it's the time of day. If it's 2 p.m., I'm running to the window to see what car it is. Sure. If it's 2 a.m., you're an asshole. Yeah,

52:30Andrew Edwards:that's valid. That's valid. Hot take, that's how I feel about people who play music out of speakers on the subway. They're all, oh, what? People are like, oh, like it's so disruptive. So I'm like, not if it's a banger. yeah do you hate music yeah like what is wrong with you what about is it a hundred percent

52:47Marques Brownlee:asshole if you're the music on speakers on a hike guy yes yeah i was ready for that oh that's 100

52:53David Imel:especially in like a national park that's like you're probably spending a lot of money to vacation there and it's like it's like for the serene sounds and then there's just creed playing my like favorite part about national parks is how many times you can be in a scenario where like I don't think anyone's within miles of me. And then, yeah, if... It hits the... The switchback coming up. It's just some shitty music.

53:20Andrew Edwards:It's not like I want to hear the subway. You know?

53:24David Imel:Am I the asshole for interrupting you to take us to another ad break? Oh. You're writing trivia. Trivia. Misinput. Misfire. We'll be back after these messages.

53:45David Imel:I am your host, Stassi Schroeder. Welcome to Tell Me Lies, the official podcast. What's the most unhinged thing of season three?

53:54Andrew Edwards:Steven, because he's so evil. I do think he is misunderstood.

53:57Marques Brownlee:You see everyone face consequences. It's intoxicating.

54:00David Imel:The writers just know how to trick you.

54:03Marques Brownlee:There's always a twist in this show.

54:04David Imel:It's nothing you would expect. Tell Me Lies, the official podcast now streaming and stream the new season of Tell Me Lies on Hulu and Hulu on Disney+. All right, welcome back. I have one that has plagued people for generations. Probably only one generation because that's about all the technology is. Okay, location sharing. This is a very widely debated topic.

54:29Marques Brownlee:If you don't want to share your location with your partner and they really want you to, does that make you an asshole? The simple question is why? That is the only question. I mean, for me.

54:45David Imel:You're saying why do you not want to share?

54:46Marques Brownlee:No, why do they want it so badly?

54:49David Imel:Oh, interesting.

54:49Marques Brownlee:Well, maybe that's just me asking that.

54:51David Imel:But here's the crazy thing is like the reason I don't like sharing my location really with anybody is just because I just don't think anyone has the right to have my location ever. just as a principles thing. Except Daddy Google. Well, that's what I wanted to ask. Sergey Brin. You know I am at any time. Come on, Sergey. Hit me with your drone. Reasoning is like giving apps the approval to like track your look, which I guess they kind of are already. Apps are not a person. Apps are not a person. I just don't like the idea of... You mean like find my, like find friends or whatever. I don't, yeah, because there have been scenarios before where someone, I like the plausible deniability, you know don't use that as your reasoning that's not my reason that isn't my reason I'm not a liar but I just want to keep the option there that isn't my reason but just imagine I mean there's a lot of reasons I just don't like anyone being able to open their phone and be like oh David is right here right now

55:48Marques Brownlee:I just don't like that I'm with you I think there's very much two types of people and I've observed both types type one is like they open the thing and there's a map and there's 40 dots on there and they're like let's see who's doing what i'm like what what is happening and then the other half is like don't ever look for my dot on a map that's insane yeah yeah yeah one thing worth bringing up here though

56:08David Imel:is that for me personally i know a lot of women in my life like using location sharing because it's like a safety thing absolutely so in that case it could be that they're asking for like because that's how they think about location sharing you know so that's one that's a one way Can you do it one way? Yes. You can. Okay.

56:25Marques Brownlee:Yes. So that would be, that's one thing. That would be like, I would like someone like my friend to know my location for this amount of time or for whatever, for as long as they want. That's cool. It's someone else requesting my location and me not wanting to. Yeah, but see, here's the problem. If it's your partner and your partner says, I want you to have my location all the time,

56:43David Imel:then you're kind of, are you an asshole for being like, but I don't want you to have mine?

56:49Andrew Edwards:Where are you trying to go, man? It doesn't look great. I can tell you that.

56:52David Imel:I don't know. The forest. I'm just saying like, I'm just saying like, what's the big deal here? No, because I don't, I just, it's just a principles thing, you know, generally.

57:00Andrew Edwards:I will say it's very much like the, yeah, it's, I think it's safe to say if the answer is ever, it's a principles thing. And this is coming from someone who's a pretty principled person. If it's ever, it's principles thing. You're probably the asshole.

57:15Marques Brownlee:No, there's, there's another version of this, which is like, I don't want these companies spying on me to give me good ads. And it's very much just like the only benefit to that is better, more targeted ads for me. But it's a principal's thing. I don't want the company to know all this information about me. And it's not shady. And they'll always go, oh, well, what's the worst that could happen? What are you hiding? It's like I'm not hiding anything. It's just a principal. I don't want you to know anything about me. But now when we flip it, it's like I don't – it's a principal's thing. It's kind of the same thing.

57:45Marques Brownlee:I'm not hiding anything.

57:46David Imel:Yeah, you're not wrong for that. Yeah. Yeah, like on the iPhone when you log into a new app and it's the ask ads not to track or allow more discreet targeting. And it's like if you do not ask ads not to track, it's really just because of your principles. Yeah, I just hit it by default. I would say you are the asshole, but you are also right, if that makes sense. Interesting. Like you're allowed to be right and be the asshole in this situation. I like that nuance. I think it's insane that we have as a society just completely normalized, like always know where everyone is. Like that ananedomy is a blessing and it's insane that we have gotten rid of that.

58:23David Imel:But now because so many people have bought into it, you become the friction point if you are the one that's like, you know. Claire and I never did it until we had Lane. And now knowing the other person might be with Lane in a scenario. now we both have location tracking on in case it's like Claire and Lane went out to do this and I haven't heard from them in a little while. Can I double check it? In terms of doing it previously, we never asked. I would just be really embarrassed by it because Claire would probably log in and be like, he's a f***ing Taco Bell again. Like, goddammit, I was making dinner tonight.

59:00David Imel:Yeah, yeah. I will say I used to be a just like never, never, never person. I have slowly started like just giving people access to my location. I think there's a level to it too. How long have you been with the person? Like if we're on date two and they're like oh let's turn on the location track and I was like oh my god. Yeah no I mean yeah no. Okay question for you because I haven't been on iPhone in a while. Can you set like can you give them permission for a certain amount of time? Yeah you can. You can. Okay. You can do it for an hour until a certain time or indefinite. Because I know you can do it in Google Maps.

59:32David Imel:I'm not sure if you You could do it in one hour, 24 hours, or indefinitely.

59:36Marques Brownlee:No, it's one hour end of day indefinitely. Oh. So you can't be like, here's my week. So could you, oh. You have to turn it on every week or turn it off after a week of indefinite. Yeah. Which is, you just look like that guy. Yeah.

59:51David Imel:Exactly. Yeah. You do indefinite and then it's just like. I would say if you're going to ask somebody to turn on their location tracking for you, you should probably have somewhat of a reason why you say it. If you're going to be the person to go out and ask, you should be like, can you turn your location tracking on? Or do you mind if you turn it on? It'd be nice if I saw you were in traffic on the way home. And I know not to start to. It'd be like stuff like that. If they can give a legitimate reason, then it's really hard to say no to. And then you look. I did. I was squirming over there. Just the thought of sitting in my car and someone looking at my location without me knowing.

1:00:28Marques Brownlee:Wouldn't it be funny if your phone just lit up blue every time someone looked at your location? and just like, boom, someone checked your location.

1:00:33David Imel:At least I would know. That's a good idea. Yeah. I would be okay with it, actually. It's like in Japan how they mandate that your phone makes a really loud camera snap noise when you take a photo to stop people from peeping. I wish it did that because I just, what I don't like is not knowing that people are looking at me.

1:00:50Marques Brownlee:Yeah, the color of the light is the person who checks your location. So if it's blue every time, you're like, oh, that's my spouse. That's totally fine. I'm going to survive this tonight.

1:00:59David Imel:I just thought we were talking about Only your significant other right now. Yeah, totally. I don't understand why everyone wants to have all their friends on my mind.

1:01:06Andrew Edwards:My girlfriend and I share our locations with each other. And for Valentine's Day, I cooked her this big dinner that was a surprise. But this funny thing did happen where she texted me. She was like, I was going to a butcher to go get ribs, really nice. Why you had a butcher?

1:01:27David Imel:Damn, really nice ribs.

1:01:28Andrew Edwards:Well, no, because it's like I needed them cut a really specific way that I didn't have the tools to do myself. So I needed to go to a butcher that was nice enough where I could be like, listen, I need you to, you know, handle this for me. That sounded so weird. Yeah. Anyway. The butcher. Anyway, she texted me. She was like, what are you doing tonight? And I was like, oh, I'm just going to go home and work out. And then she was like, then why are you here? I was like. this is what I'm talking about

1:02:00Marques Brownlee:it's for a surprise that's like why do you use incognito mode in your browser so I can surprise my spouse

1:02:08Andrew Edwards:I think it's cute my girlfriend's like oh I wonder what Alice is up to and then she's like oh he's in New Jersey again yeah damn you came to Jersey no I just come to Jersey like most of every

1:02:22David Imel:I'm just saying like I don't know there's a lot of things too that it's like if I had a spouse who was the kind of person who wants to look through my texts or something, I would never give them access to it. Well, first of all, I would never date someone who would look through my texts. I also feel like that's a little different. That's the other thing. Okay, here's the B side of this. Okay, continue. Continuation, right? Okay, B side.

1:02:45Andrew Edwards:I have another disclaimer. Never take any at all relationship advice for a technology podcast. I repeat, never take any relationship advice ever from a technology podcast. Okay, here's another principle. Get all of your relationship advice from Brian Johnson's Twitter. That's also a technology podcast, by the way.

1:03:10David Imel:All right, here's the B-side to this. If your partner asked to look through your phone, even if you had nothing to hide, would you let them do it? Claire has all my passwords. I give Jess all my passwords and everything just in case something happens.

1:03:30Marques Brownlee:No, but like... So she can delete my history? It's the same thing. I just need a why. That's all. It's like, why do you want my location? If you have a good why, then sure. Why do you want to look through my phone? If you have a good why, then sure.

1:03:43David Imel:Well, for me, it's less like they've looked through my phone, more like we were driving at one point and she had to go through my phone to get something. So if I give her the phone, I'm not going to change the password after you. She just has it. I think David's saying like an accusatory, like I need to look through your phone. Then that's the why. And I know it makes you look worse, but it's a principal's thing. I mean, it does make you look worse. It'll make you look great and them bad when they look through it and the thing they're accusing you of does not happen. Yeah, it makes them look bad.

1:04:14David Imel:That's true. If they're accusing, that's tough. I'm very thankful I have not gone into any of these scenarios. I've also never been in the scenario. Just it's it's an interesting mind. OK, what about a scenario we've all been in? Would I be the asshole? Taking a bath. Would I be the asshole for confronting my friend for sending me too many reels per day? OK, so I'm making this joke, but for a while I definitely was that asshole to Ellis. I sent him so many reels. I think it was because when I first deleted TikTok, one of the first reels I probably ever sent to Ellis was probably some insane food one.

1:04:52David Imel:And then Instagram was like, I got you. I'm only going to send you really weird memes about like meat and cigarettes and like Creed. And I was like, I have to send every one of these to Ellis. And then after a while, he stopped responding. And I was like, I should get off Instagram.

1:05:07Andrew Edwards:Physically, I'm 12. But spiritually, I am like a divorced dad. You know, like Creed, cigarettes and meat, baby.

1:05:14Marques Brownlee:It does seem like I don't know if this was in our interview with Adam Asari. but like when he said before that like the share button is one of the strongest signals in Instagram Reels. It really feels like when I share a Reel with someone, Instagram goes, I got a lot more of that. And if I sent something, then it starts sending me more of the thing that I sent to someone, hoping that'll send it to more people because it's something I would share. So I think, yeah, probably once you sent that first one, they were like, I got more of that. If you flip that on its head, are you the asshole for never liking the Reels

1:05:47David Imel:that someone just keeps sending you and just like scene zoning here's i think a pretty big i would say like you gotta there's a there's a little give and take on both of these like clearly if people are sending reels to each other they they think it's funny and are genuinely thinking about them but if you're sending five or six and not getting a response back maybe you gotta tighten up the parameters of a shareworthy reel and then make them hit home

1:06:15Marques Brownlee:Maybe you're not there for the 100 % engage rate. Maybe you're just there for the open rate.

1:06:19David Imel:Quantity over quality is a totally real thing. Waveform has 300 episodes. There's probably like seven good ones. We're proof. Here's something that's crazy to me is that there are not like DM group. Like there's group chats, but there's not like DM lists, right? Where you see a reel, you hit send. You can send it to a list and it individually sends it to all those people. And yet I have an acquaintance from college. that I had like a class with we have not spoken in a really long time and he still sends me reels and I have not answered in six years this is payback because he you won't be on his find my friends I'm just like so he has to find my name and send it to me and like we

1:07:05Marques Brownlee:haven't spoken in six years but every time he sees a reel and he's like Dave is gonna like this one

1:07:11David Imel:How do you even know who I am at this point? We're very different people. Anyway, it is crazy. I'm never going to call the person the asshole for sending all of it because I appreciate thinking of me. I think it's even better. I start feeling bad when I don't respond. But the question is, are you the asshole for confronting them about it? No, no, no. Oh. You just got to be like, hey, man. What's confronting? Is it like, hey, man, stop sending me those reels? Or is it like, I'm sorry, dude, I just don't have time to watch all of them? Whatever it means to you. Whatever it is in your heart. Not the asshole.

1:07:43Andrew Edwards:I think a confrontation in this situation. Confrontation seems mean. It is sort of. But I think I probably, and I guess this does make it the asshole move, but I feel like in that situation, I probably would be like, dude. That's it. That's the whole thing. That's the whole thing. What are you doing? Here's the thing.

1:08:01David Imel:If they keep sending them and don't get responses back and they keep sending them, they don't care. They obviously don't care. They have a clipped. So like, I'm not hurting anyone. All I have to do is then click red every time.

1:08:13Marques Brownlee:If they sent you a bunch of reels and you didn't respond, they confronted you and were like, hey, man, you didn't answer my reels. That's weird. That's the weird one.

1:08:23David Imel:Don't do that. But if they keep sending it even when you just scene zone them, they've eclipsed shame already. They're just going to keep doing it.

1:08:32Marques Brownlee:Yeah, they just want to send you a reel.

1:08:33Andrew Edwards:I think for most people, the act of consuming reels is so brainless that also like sharing them is like oh yeah like two taps right yeah yeah yeah which actually you know that your right mark has like it literally is designed to just be like tap tap and then like you share the reel that's funny that that's the most powerful signal on yeah on instagram like

1:08:52David Imel:it's because it's social well but that's because reels is so little brain power that those two taps is 800 times more engagement than anything else you would do scrolling and liking yeah i'll

1:09:03Marques Brownlee:toss a like to a random reel, but if I thought it was funny and specifically, that's why they start surfacing more. It's because I engaged two layers deep with this reel. I liked it so much that I thought of a person who would also like it and I sent it to them. And then that person's going to watch it. That's a pretty good signal. So I got 30 more of those reels. Here you go. Alright.

1:09:24Andrew Edwards:Let's do a few more. Yeah. Let me wrap it up. This first one, am I the asshole for making my friends guess whether a given G Fuel flavor is real or not more than once. I think for us,

1:09:37David Imel:no. For VergeCast, yes.

1:09:40Andrew Edwards:Yeah, Dan Siebert was not happy with us. And he still whooped me in it. Guys, would I be the asshole? A little switching it up. Would I be the asshole for using ChatGPT to write someone a birthday card? Yes. No.

1:09:58Marques Brownlee:Whoa. Not by default. Not by default. Explain. However. How would you make it not an asshole move? So writing someone a birthday card is already a very high effort thing to do. Not a lot of people get birthday cards. So if you're going through the effort to not just like text them happy birthday or write on their Facebook wall because Facebook told you it was their birthday. You're mailing them a card. That's already eclipsed the threshold of effort to not be an asshole. and if they never know that you used AI assistance in this,

1:10:31Andrew Edwards:then it is perfectly acceptable. You're not just my best friend. You're my best, best friend.

1:10:38Marques Brownlee:I assume you're using AI not because you have zero thoughts on how to write a happy birthday card. You're probably looking for a little extra fun or like a rhyme scheme or for something extra to make it a good card. I feel like you're using AI because it's too much effort. It's too much effort, but you're writing and mailing them a card already? Yeah. I think you're trying to take it to the next level with some AI assistance.

1:11:00David Imel:Well, my thing is, if you're already doing it, just do it.

1:11:04Marques Brownlee:Like, if you're going through the effort to get the letter and mail it out, like, just write the letter then. I think it's potentially true that adding AI assistance made it more work and made it better. Here's an asterisk.

1:11:18Andrew Edwards:how much time would you have to spend conversing with this LLM about the nature of your friendship with this person? That's a good for you no longer to be the impersonal asshole.

1:11:30Marques Brownlee:Yeah, don't. So it's like what part of the letter are you getting help with? Because I don't know what the letter is. It could like the letter like, oh, this person is like my one of my friends in my fantasy basketball like group. And like I'm mailing him a card because I'm whooping him this week. and I thought it'd be hilarious if we got a card. Help me write something that's funny and relates to basketball. You're going the extra mile to mail them a specific card and you're getting help with AI. But what if you used your brain?

1:11:58Andrew Edwards:I would say, let's say...

1:11:59Marques Brownlee:Not everyone's clever. Marquez's examples don't seem that bad. I'm just not willing to default 100 % like the guy in the woods with the speaker. This is a podcast talking about Reddit. We're supposed to default 100 % on something. I think you can use AI to help write someone a birthday card and mail it to them in a very high effort way that does not make you an asshole. So I'm not going to go 100 % on that one. Are you writing with your hands? Yeah. You're going through all that mailing effort, but you got ChatGPT to give you like a haiku scheme so you could be better at making a haiku or something.

1:12:37Marques Brownlee:Yeah.

1:12:37David Imel:When I was a child, I would get irrationally angry and I would still get irrationally angry at like when some random family member that I never spoke to on my birthday would send me a birthday card that was literally just the card that they bought at Walgreens.

1:12:50Marques Brownlee:Yeah, that's that's more.

1:12:51David Imel:I was like, I understand there's ever involved here, but like you're mailing it in so hard. Yeah, you're mailing your feelings and you're you're distributing. Thank you. Literally mailing it in. You are you're like outsourcing your brain and your feelings to some Walgreens writer.

1:13:09Marques Brownlee:That's a great point. What's worse? It's not that different. The Walgreens written one. That's definitely impersonal. Walgreens is worse. I used AI to make. I think Walgreens is worse.

1:13:19David Imel:I think a pre-written card from Walgreens is worse, to be honest, because it is it's copied.

1:13:25Marques Brownlee:It's generic. You know that other people got the same card, too. Yeah, that's what makes it at least for the LLM.

1:13:30David Imel:You're giving it context. Yeah. I'm just... Do you guys send cards where you don't write anything else in it? Sometimes I get them. I have gotten them. That's crazy. I think those... That's crazy. They'll just sign their name at the end.

1:13:45Andrew Edwards:This is a principal one. This is like, yeah, Marquez, you're right. Yeah, I see where you're coming from.

1:13:51David Imel:Marquez's thing makes it sound like I'm trying to be creative in a way I'm not creative and I want to put the extra effort in, which I don't think is the, like when we're talking about this specific, am I the asshole? It's like, I don't have, I want to make it look like I have, I want to trick them. You did in one point say, if they don't know it's AI, what's it matter? That was kind of an asshole move.

1:14:12Marques Brownlee:I guess in the case of the Hallmark card where it's pre-written, you know it's pre-written, so you know that there is zero effort. In the case of like the handwritten letter, you don't know how much effort there was. Maybe this person's really clever and wrote a clever thing, or maybe they had help. I don't know.

1:14:27Andrew Edwards:A central plot point of the movie Her is that the titular character, titular character, the guy Her, the main character. The main guy. The Her guy. The Joaquin Phoenix looking guy. Yeah. He is a, he is literally a greeting card writer. Yeah, he's a greeting card writer. That's his job is he, he writes greeting cards for rich people who don't have time. I guess you knew a guy. Why would he have to do that when they have AI?

1:14:49Marques Brownlee:I know a person who, who sort of moonlight writes It's for PR statements for like CEOs. Oh, never mind. I thought it was like personal writing. Mr.

1:14:59David Imel:Deeds also a greeting card writer. Am I the asshole for liking old Adam Sandler? Oh, oh, oh. Ultimately, I think the effort ladder, like the effort ladder is you wrote it completely yourself. That's the highest. You wrote it with the help of an MLM. LLM with all the context of the person. Right below it. you wrote it just with the MLLLLM with no context at all and didn't edit it at all and didn't edit

1:15:28Marques Brownlee:at all and then Hallmark card is on the bottom of lowest effort yeah even even lower below that is just a text I think when you're getting to the point of no text something no but text is not

1:15:39David Imel:pre-written by somebody else so it's actually higher than Hallmark oh interesting that's

1:15:43Marques Brownlee:interesting you had to use your own brain to do it I just think that the the threshold of I'm buying a card for you to put in an envelope and write your name and address on and mailing it to you to arrive around your birthday is already a lot of effort. I know it's effort, but it's more of a formality.

1:16:02David Imel:It's like when your mom says, we have to do this, and you say, why? And they said, because we've always done it that way. You're not using any of your own critical thought. Call your homies, man. Call them on their birthday. Please never call them. please don't call me we should all am I an asshole don't ever call me please

1:16:25Andrew Edwards:there's a new AI for that bro get open clawed to call your homies on their birthday

1:16:31Marques Brownlee:okay this is a good one to end it on yes or no are you an asshole if you just cold call someone in the middle of the day no it's your birthday your homies calling you for your birthday

1:16:44David Imel:it's 4.30 in the afternoon

1:16:46Marques Brownlee:they're calling you right now If it's your birthday, no.

1:16:48David Imel:But if it's a regular Tuesday, don't call me. What? No, I totally disagree, especially because we all have caller ID, and if you, the person, doesn't want to pick up, y 'all don't have to pick up. No, because if you never call me - Just don't pick up if you don't want to talk to me. If you never call me, and now you're calling me at 3 o 'clock on a Tuesday, I think something's wrong. I'm picking up and freaking out. You pick up, you freak out, and then I say, how's it going?

1:17:10Marques Brownlee:That's the asshole.

1:17:11David Imel:That specifically is the asshole. Hey, what's up? Hey, how's it going, man? What? Why did you call me? I like getting called out of the blue by friends that I don't talk to that often. No. And if they just want to chat, even if I'm not free, I'm like, oh, sorry, dude, I'm not free right now, but we should catch up. It's just catching up.

1:17:26Marques Brownlee:Give me an out. Send me a text. Hey, can I call you later? Let me say nothing. I need to mentally prepare for a conversation.

1:17:35David Imel:Yeah, why? I can't just pick up the phone and start talking. After the last three answers, I'm convinced Marquez is the guy bringing his Xbox to the honeymoon. I don't want to talk to you. right now. I'd rather stare to screen. Yeah.

1:17:52Marques Brownlee:As someone who gets like 300 emails a day, I guess. That's fair. Calling me is like it's got to be a certain urgency level.

1:17:59Andrew Edwards:I just want to say I'm proud of you guys. During the course that I called all three of you because I thought it would be really funny and you guys are all either on airplane or do not disturb.

1:18:08David Imel:I don't think I'll mind any of those things. I am watching the Olympics. I am watching Team USA play

1:18:14Marques Brownlee:quarterfinals right now. Am I the asshole? I'm on a podcast with you, but I'm also watching the game. Is that cool? Is that fine?

1:18:20David Imel:Listen, I've been waiting 14 years for this Olympics and the NHL. Sorry. Yeah. To be honest, I've been waiting 14 years for my new Streetlight Manifesto album. If that dropped in the middle of the pod, I'd have my earphones in.

1:18:32Andrew Edwards:Fair enough. Well, guys, you did an excellent job educating this. It seems like the only two things you can do and not be an asshole in your eyes are... Everyone sucks. are ask your family to take their old photos off of iCloud and switch to Android.

1:18:52Marques Brownlee:Hey, let us know in the comments if you agree or disagree with any of our... Or maybe present some more and then we'll do another episode because this is actually really fun and I want to know whether situations you guys have that we can agree with or disagree with. So A-I-T-A... A-I-T-A? Yeah. Hit us up. And you can officially bring your children back in the room. Yeah, we're back. We're going to censor stuff from here on out. Back to your regularly scheduled programming. See you guys soon. Censorship is coming.

1:19:22David Imel:Waveform is produced by Adam Molina. Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Irvin. We're part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. And our trotter music is created by Vainsell. Bingo. Bingo. Go.

1:19:44Marques Brownlee:Why do you think there's so many chickens?

1:19:49Marques Brownlee:How did they get here?