iPhone 16: Apple Intelligence Coming Soon?

33:56No way they don't adjust anything. My bet is in two years, because of all the negative feedback they're getting, they will change it. Two years. Two years. I think I agree with David. Sooner than four years, we'll see something. Whether that's a good update or not is to be. They can't do it too soon because they just released these, but they can't wait another four years. Otherwise, there'll be eight-year-old headphones. which is insane. We'll be on Dyson 4s by then. For real. Yeah. Would you rather have these or the Dyson headphones? Dyson. Really? Yeah, a thousand percent. The Dyson's equal.

34:26Well, as a non-iPhone user, yeah. The Dyson's are even heavier than AirPods Max. Yeah, but they look sick. The padding is so much better. The padding's pretty good. I don't know. The battery life is double. I like the Sonos headphones. Yeah, the battery life's crazy. Yeah. The Sonos ones. They're expensive and they're still$100 less than the AirPods Max. Yeah, Sonos are nice. And the app is so good. That sucks. See, they all have one critical flaw, and the Sonos is the app. And also, like, the cups are a little shallow. I like how they fit. The app is the least of my worries. Once it's connected and going, I'm pretty happy.

34:56Totally. Yeah. Well, we got a lot more to talk about. We got to get to the phones, of course. So we should take a quick break and get to those. But before we do, it's been a minute since I've done this, let's do trivia. Two weeks go by, and Marcus is like, it's been 5 ,000 years. When you were gone, David and I just did not know how to end segments or episodes. Okay, well, that's it. So I guess if you want to like and subscribe, I guess. I think at one point we just committed to we probably will be stuck in the studio. So you come back and end it for us. It's muscle memory. You guys got to develop this like like and subscribe thing.

35:32Yeah. Guys, yesterday there was an Apple event. No way. And you know what that means? It means today. It was two days ago? What? Bro, you've been here the whole time. Oh my God, it was two days ago. Holy crap. All right, well, on that note, were you paying attention? We're back. Ellis wasn't. He doesn't even know what day it was. I remember. Yeah, first question, what day was it? First question, where am I? Who are I? Cool. Apple does not now and has never made a single device with a 3D display. And no, Vision Pro doesn't count. With a 3D display. however during in my question i wrote yesterday's event too i totally am like during monday's event one dog apple used the term 3d twice in their presentation what two products they use the term 3d while presenting and i don't need how they used it i don't need the I just needed to...

36:36They just had to say 3D. I feel like 3D Touch should be considered... They did not say 3D Touch. I know, but I feel like that should be considered a 3D display. What? Because it was the display that you pressed into. I think he meant like 3D like fizz. I know. But it was called... David, you're now two points behind our house. Dang, well, there was only so many products I talked about, so I feel like we can really think this one through. Point for each product? Yeah, two points trying to even... Good idea. Yeah, two points total, one per product. I love that. Okay. Well, we'll think about that, as will everyone else listening.

37:11And the answers will be at the end, like usual. We'll be right back.

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38:50That's your short version. But there's a whole lot to dig into, just because there's a lot happening that we didn't get to with that video. But I'll just lay out the basic specs first, and then we can just sort of jump into each phone. Wait, before you get into that, just the regular iPhone 16 looks different, and I think looks great with the new camera bump. Deal. Yeah, aesthetics. Aesthetically, before we dive into the nitty gritty, bringing it back to that stacked small camera bump like the iPhone X, I think looks so much better than when it was the stacked camera bump and a big square and then turned into diagonal.

39:25It's just wasted space, I think. Yeah. I don't think you're alone. I think a lot of people like the new colors and the new looks of the baseline iPhones. And then the Pro phones are like faded, like desert and titanium colors again, which is not new. But that's the colors. So right off the bat, bright, vibrant colors with the 16. The 16 and 16 Plus are the same price and the same sizes last year. But the main differences now are slightly better cameras, slightly better chip. It's the A18. Should be faster, better in a row engine. and uh it has an action button now and a camera control button we got two new buttons two here in one in the baseline iphone that's crazy fascinating because not that long ago we were wondering if they were going to get rid of everything i know on the outside remember they got rid of the headphone jack and everyone went what about the other all the buttons and everything and now we have more buttons yeah the pros 16 pro and pro max also get the app camera control button yeah but they also get larger displays with thinner bezels so 6.3 and 6.9 inch screens nice um that is a huge phone and uh they also get even more camera updates uh new ultrawide mostly a 48 megapixel ultrawide and both sizes now have the 5x telephoto instead of just the big phone having a 5x telephoto and the fusion camera yeah they're calling it a fusion camera yeah which okay not sure exactly what that means but we'll get there yeah okay and that's kind of it with the pros eh yeah oh a18 pro is the is the chip which by the way i looked into it and it looks like it has one more gpu core now it's pro ta-da we trace rays baby trace those rays yeah so that's that's basically what's happening uh i think easily the most fascinating part is the camera control button on all these phones there are so many interesting things about this button so i guess let's just explain yeah what it is and then we can give our thoughts on right okay so yeah on the bottom right hand corner of the phone underneath the power button there's a new button on the phones it is a button yeah and it is flush with the side of the phone and when you press it it opens the camera and then from there it is a touch sensitive pressure sensitive capacitive surface that can scroll and half press to continue doing things with the camera it can dive into the camera app settings it can change camera settings it can take photos and it's supposed to get an update at some point to give it a two-stage like half press to focus and then full press to take the photo so it's just for cameras which by the way is coming soon what is that what why is that coming soon i don't know it seems like apple has a rule where they're like guys every time we release an iphone we have to have one camera feature that doesn't launch right half press to focus so that's the thing that's taking longer to program that doesn't go in but still they're like scrolling and stuff yeah the scrolling's already there works and from the phone from the start yeah okay sweet yeah so just your half press to focus is not coming until later okay yeah cool um but that that will also be able to be plugged into or tapped into by third-party app developers who also make apps that use the camera yeah so this is again just camera control but if you make snapchat if you make halide if you make is it halid halide halide if you make halide if you make instagram if you make final cut camera if you're apple any of these apps that use the camera they can also take advantage of that scrolling surface to do camera stuff which is cool it's cool yeah um wait did you get to try it i got to try it is there feedback That haptic feedback versus full click, does that feel good?

43:08Yes. It's a very nice click. And the half click, you can definitely tell it's a half as well. Really? And when you scroll, it's like... You can feel the scrolling. The problem that I felt was that just like the Rabbit R1 when it launched, when the acceleration of the volume knob was not high enough and you had to really move it, it felt the same way for me, where the acceleration wasn't quite high enough because you kind of had to... Well, at least when I was using it, maybe I don't have good enough fingerprints or something. But when I was swiping my finger, it kind of felt like I had to do like two full swipes in order to like do a full zoom.

43:42Okay. Yeah. It didn't move quite as much as I wanted it to. I wanted it to be slightly more sensitive. I found actually the opposite. Interestingly, I found that because it has this like physics scrolling and you can swipe and it keeps going after you let go, which the rabbit didn't do. Yeah. I would scroll too far accidentally sometimes. I feel like it shouldn't have that. I feel like it should be like ratcheted. You have to get used to it. You definitely have to get used to it. I was going to say, I would rather it be low sense. Like what you're saying. Because like it's so much more annoying if you're trying to like zoom in or something.

44:14You go too far. Then you try and go back and you go too far. I'd rather do a couple of extras. I don't think it should like fly. I think it should like be ratcheted, but just like be more sensitive to my micro swipes. Yeah. Interesting. I wonder if it'll be adjustable eventually. That obviously is the best thing they could do for it. Yeah. Yeah. But as of right now, it's like you can double tap in and it'll let you change the f-stop in portrait mode or let you change the tone or the zoom amount or which lens you're shooting with or whatever just by scrolling around in the camera. There was a lot of misinformation about the button.

44:47A lot of people were saying this is just a solid state button just like the MacBook Pro trackpad and it doesn't actually click in and you just feel like it's clicking in. It is a real button, but it also has the Taptic Engine in it to help it feel like that click is more than it is and also to allow for the ratcheting, like swiping gesture. Like enhances the click. It enhances the click. It allows for like the two stage click to feel more like solid. Yeah. So it has both, but it is a physical one, which is actually quite surprising because, again, like you were saying about getting rid of all the buttons eventually.

45:22we also expected Apple to eventually have buttons but just have them be solid state yeah so yeah it's interesting that they're keeping physical buttons so I have a lot of interesting thoughts about this thing in particular thought number one I would have not been shocked at all if this was only on the pro phones yeah this feels like a thing that they would go this is really complicated this is just a camera feature this is like allowing you to mess with the settings and the camera and dial things in this so feels like a pro only phone feature and it would be a reason to buy the pros exactly a reason to separate them and when they're on all the phones i was happy but i was very surprised by that that's number one yeah thought number two is apple also introduced cases that they talked about and they had a moment where they had to explain that there's actually like a piece of glass or like ceramic in the case that extends Yeah, sapphire that extends that out so that it's still flush, but you can still feel the swiping and the haptics.

46:24It transfers the capacitance as well through the glass. I thought that was fascinating. They do that with their own first-party cases. It will be up to other third-party case manufacturers of how they want to handle this button. Will they try that too, or will they just do a deep cutout? I'm going to ask dbrand for sure. I want to talk to case manufacturers. I was talking to Michael Fisher at the event. He was like, yeah, we're just going to do a cutout on the Clix case. And maybe like a swoop down and a swoop up for it. So you can like, you can still touch the actual sapphire of the phone, but it's not like a transfer.

46:54It seems like that's what most case manufacturers are doing. Because a lot of them have already showed off their cases and they just have a huge divot in the side of the phone. But like an OtterBox case is going to have to have a huge cutout. Yeah. I thought that was another really interesting thing to pay attention to with this. And then third is just what else will it do? Like what will third party manufacturers or third party app makers do with this camera button? Because if you don't make an app with a camera, there's nothing you can do with it. Yeah, the Halide app examples were really cool because there was a bunch of different modes that you could put on it.

47:27There was one where you would swipe and it would like show different grid lines. So you could have like you could change the amount of grid lines that you'd had. There was another one that showed basically, I don't remember what the technical term for this is, but when you it shows all of the different lens. like it shows the wide angle but then it will show boxes inside of that to show what it would be if you switch to that lens. There's a name for that and I cannot. There's another thing they did and I think it was just in the regular one but couldn't you swipe gridlines that would show how it would show on different like social media sites?

47:59Oh yeah. It would be cropped in like one by one. Right. I think Halide had that. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So you could do like one by one or 16 by nine and it would show all these different like formats so that you could when you're filming you know okay i can film in horizontal mode and then i can just crop later and it will still fit in the one by one that's cool or the nine by 16 aspect ratio yeah my last thought is that apple at no point ever called this a button they always called it camera control they never called it a button and it's just it's just been sitting in the back of my head like why do they refuse to call it a button do they really not want it to be a button do they want it to someday just be like a solid state thing and not be a button airpods pro i think it's the same thing yeah i think they're just trying to brand things and just make them definitively apple but they could call it a camera button yeah but they call it airpods pro as opposed to what airpod pros well i just mean they're they're refusing to use the word button here that's why i'm yeah i'm like okay you could call it the camera control button you could call it the camera button yeah they're calling it camera control camera control does feel more like a software feature yeah it's a hardware right it felt like they were talking about the software and it happened to have a hardware piece controlling yeah and i can imagine someday in the future they get rid of the physical click and it's just a trackpad cameras control bro bro but go ahead andrew well actually now that i think about it so my one thought was it stinks that this is only available for camera things because that could be an awesome button to map different apps things to like maybe scrolling on a page without having to put your hand on it now you have it vertical right where your thumb is the pixel i think it was the pixel that had the back mounted fingerprint reader and you could swipe down on the fingerprint reader to move down the page that was awesome there was maybe they're not calling it a button because they're then you're expecting to be able to do things outside of the camera with it maybe yeah it's to be fair reachability wise it is kind of a little out of the way yeah like you have to it's kind of splitting the difference between like where it would normally be on a horizontal phone and also being able to get true i think it's a good place they specifically said that they put it there because they wanted it to be in a good place for horizontal shots and horizontal shots and vertical shots yeah that was my second point the first time they showed it off they were like don't move your hand out of the way to take this photo and it was a portrait photo like standing up and i was like that feels like everyone is expecting that to be landscape and to be like a normal camera and the first one they showed was just kind of like awkwardly holding it where your thumb would just be like one inch to the left on the software one yeah but it is cool that when you use that it kind of wipes away the ui of the camera in general so you can see more and all you have to do is use that really cool swipe down like a little notch now we have another notch in iphones also which is kind of awesome yeah you know what i like that apple has been doing with the the camera stuff every year is like yes they're doing the like oh yeah our lenses are better like everything is better but they've been modifying the software over and over again to try to make it a better experience as a replacement or a secondary camera like pro res log like all of that kind of stuff we don't really get that kind of stuff in android phones that often and it's nice that they're like okay now we have a physical button so that you can attach it to this and then add the grid lines and do all this stuff and just try to make it like a b cam you're not using asus log i think that kind of wraps into my last point really well rock log oh my god that's all right no no no that was too good um but apple is not the first person to add a camera button onto a phone but this is proof again that they're never the first but when they do when they add something they generally do a really good job because they like obviously thought super deep into this by having different types of pressing scrolling interacting with the UI super, super well.

51:46So like they did a really good job with adding something so small that's been done multiple times before. The Xperia phones had the camera shutter as well. Does this now mean that Apple has the most complicated camera? No. No. What do you think is the most complicated camera? Sony. Sony. Still? Yeah, even after adding the Xperia. Yeah, they have a bunch of apps and everything about the app just looks exactly like a Alpha, an Alpha camera. Yeah. And now you can't say we'd ever talk about Xperia phones. But yeah, the Pro really is still mostly just a better camera. Yeah. And there are, I guess, a couple other things.

52:29Yeah, because like I can't buy an$800 60 hertz phone. I can't do it. There's something in my brain that just like sees the chop and I can't use 60 hertz phone anymore. Yeah. But there are a ton of people who literally don't care. I was reading a Reddit thread as I got on the plane that made me really mad and is probably why I didn't get too much sleep which is there are people who will use a phone for a while and then they'll try a 120 hertz phone and go this scrolling is too smooth and they'll want to go back to 60 hertz that's real people I was reading a thread about 60 hertz iPhone and people were like yeah I gave it to my cousin and he was like ew it's too smooth why don't you shoot 60 FPS that's an old weird one it's too smooth So it's mainly people are getting the Pro for the camera, and there are things like 4K 120 hertz or 4K 120 FPS video.

53:22That's sick. Which, by the way, is enabled by the Fusion camera. Yep. And the A18 Pro probably. And it's things like a larger, brighter display. Great. It's the same, actually, brightness. Oh, so just bigger. You can get a 6.9-inch display. This is the thing, though. They both go down to one nit now. They both go up to 2000 nits. It's the exact same display except for the ProMotion. Yeah. And the size with the bezels, I guess. Yeah. And that extra telephoto lens. Yeah. And the GPU core. Like, you're not, it's not a whole ton. The one core. So, the Pro phones are more expensive and are titanium, but that's really all you're getting.

54:00I mean, I think, yeah, faster, is it faster MagSafe? No. So, this is an update across the 16 line, is that they all now support 25 watt MagSafe, which I think because they kind of donated the MagSafe thing to Qi2 but Qi2 chargers on the iPhones will only charge at 15 watts but now Apple is selling new MagSafe pucks that you have to buy separately that charge at 25 watts but you have to use these pucks so that's not just a pro feature. No that's on all of them you get the faster USB 3 transfer speeds like you always have on the pros versus the usb2 so when you shoot that 4k 120 fps video right and you have like a 3 000 gigabyte file you can get it off the phone faster i pitched a studio short idea to eric of speed running how fast you can use all the storage on a baseline iphone oh easy you just like prores log how how fast can you open the box set it up and just immediately shoot a 4k 120 prores and just like video yeah that would be really funny yeah so yeah that's you know they're the same price prices too it's$7.99 to start the 16 plus$8.99 the pro$9.99 and the pro max$11.99 sneaky update maybe battery maybe oh right TBD they said they made the batteries bigger they may yeah and so they have the longest battery life ever in an iPhone pro phones they're even bigger apparently than in the than in the regular ones yeah so so we'd looked into this a little bit more and you found that on the compare site for Apple they're saying like video playback goes from 20 to 22 hours yeah so that's from regular to pro from from 15 to 16 15 oh yeah 15 to 16 yeah so okay slightly better yeah uh i just i want to use it and figure out if i can tell the difference between uh this old phone and the new phone battery wise but i'm never gonna be mad at extra battery i think that's great yeah i mean i i like that they get down to one nit now because i've complained before about you know laying in bed and being like oh yeah you know on the plane light dark yeah um so i guess last but not least is just a brief rant which is that this whole event was called like it's glow time referring to siri and the new glow animation and the new apple intelligence stuff and they did not spend a short amount of time talking about like rehashing all this stuff hey guess what writing tools hey guess what genmoji hey guess what image playground Not a single one of these features launches with the phone.

56:32Yeah. And when they opened the iPhone, or when they opened up about Apple Intelligence the first time, they called it the heart of the iPhone 16 lineup. Tim Cook, to start the keynote, talked about how these were the first iPhones built from the ground up to be Apple Intelligence. I think he said with AI and machine learning. He said AI and machine learning in the first one minute of him talking. Yeah. Artificial intelligence, not even Apple Intelligence. it's artificial intelligence and to to their credit they might be right like these phones have faster neural engines they have i'm sure lots of memory and will be really good at this but they don't launch with it they're not ready yet and by the time they do launch they will be in beta and it's still like kind of slowly rolling out and this is what i talked about in the impressions video is okay i've literally reviewed the rabbit i reviewed the humane pin like i have to talk about the products as they exist when i review them and when i review the iphone 16 it will not have any of these features and i have to review it without any of these features yeah how do we also review all of the features that they're promising if they're not there at launch do a later video you should just do like an intelligence video later on do your section card like we've been doing and it just says like apple intelligence and then it goes to the next It's just like the top down set with nothing in it and a cricket chirping and then clicks out of it.

57:57Yeah, I might have to do that because that that is I'm looking forward to a lot of them. And I've been using them in the iOS 18.1 developer beta that's out now. Yeah, there is no iOS 18.1 developer beta for the iPhone 16 yet. So, yeah, look, it's it's the iPhone. It's glow time. It's Apple intelligence everywhere. Shipping without a heart. It's not going to be on the phone when it comes out, just so you know. Yeah. Even the advanced, like, search for your photos better, like, that's not even. That's not there either. Yeah. Anything in the Apple intelligence umbrella. So. It's crazy. Yeah. It's crazy.

58:35It's crazy town, even. I don't know. It's like. Population. Like, October is when the 18.1 public beta comes out. It's not even when 18.1. So when is 18.1 even coming out? it could not even come out this year yeah that'd be much later that would be so wild if it didn't come out this if you bought an iphone for this much money and didn't get the heart of it yeah for four months yeah i feel like this isn't the last time we're going to be having this problem that's why okay growing i agree with that and which is why i feel like there has to be an adjustment to the golden rule that i've said so many times because the golden rule as i've said it is to never buy a product based on the promise of future software updates.

59:21And that's why we talk about cars and phones and anything that has some beta vaporware promise that never comes out. We can always be like, told you so. Like you should buy the thing that you like now and use it expecting it to be that way forever. And any software updates are a bonus. However, with all these AI features constantly being slowly rolled out and not being ready to ship, getting announced but not coming out till later it feels like there needs to be some dimension of do we trust the company that this comes from and how likely is this software update to actually come out because there are there are levels to this there is tesla autopilot levels of willis ever come out pixel drop there's yeah pixel feature drops there's you know apple intelligence which we expect to slowly roll out over the next couple months and years and it's just a question of how likely is this update to actually happen i think you can say what the company says they will do but also just be extremely clear that it's not there yet and that yeah maybe at some point it will be there but that can't really affect your review because this is like the most this is the biggest delta we've ever i have personally ever seen in a phone where it's like this is the glow time event this is the apple intelligence phone and the reason apple is selling you to buy this phone is this is the best one for apple intelligence this one will have all this stuff we're basically reviewing camera control yeah when you buy it it literally does none of that yeah i can't ignore that but i there's gonna be some eventual but we came in we came in like 18.1 on the 15s doesn't even have like genmoji or probably the most important part of apple intelligence which is the ability for siri to reach into apps and do actions for you the whole thing that rabbit said it was going to do and never released at all because it doesn't exist right apple so far is also vaporware so i would really like to see this actually come out but we can't even freaking play with it yet but there is a part of my brain that's like i think i can treat apple and rabbit differently because i have different levels of trust for them to eventually ship the thing chill but that's that's totally subjective i think saying what they say they will do but also be like but but it doesn't do we can't test it yeah is could you like i will always say could you literally named iphone 16 review part one now and say like and i have to do a part two later because half of the stuff but then what happens when google does this next year or asus do the same.

1:01:52I still think the blanket statement of do not purchase something based. So I think the difference is what you're saying is don't purchase something based on future promises because I still don't think you should do that. Because that future promise might not come out. And phone lifespans are much shorter than a car lifespan. When Tesla was scamming you, you're like, well, I'm going to keep my car for a bit longer. Maybe it'll come out. it was sorely disappointing when it didn't for that but like if you're not talking four months and you upgrade your phone even every two years 20 was that 20 of your phone's life 10 of your phone's life now doesn't come with the thing you bought it for yeah if you're buying it because of that feature that's not out yet i don't think you should we have still never seen how the siri reaching into apps or the genmoji even works we've seen just screenshots of like you didn't Did you see Cowboy Frog?

1:02:46What are you talking about? Well, I saw the existence of Cowboy Frog, but I did not see the genesis of Cowboy Frog, and that is what I'm interested in. The origin story. Yeah. It's like the slit experiment. Like, if you look at the light, it's a wave, and other times, if you look at Cowboy Frog, it exists. But if you don't, it's not generated yet. Deep cut for my physics nerds out there. Yeah. What's that called again? Double slit experiment. What's the phenomenon called? Quantum. Entite. No.

1:03:17superposition quantum superposition the double schrodinger's yeah i guess that's that's what it's called it's this double slit experiment quantum mechanics sure if you yeah basically it's if you want to answer the question of is light like a act as if hey like a particle or yeah the answer is literally it depends if you look at it or not yeah sort of so it's the bear in the woods yeah yeah schrodinger's schrodinger's bear wait guys i think this apple intelligence thing is genius hot take why right because rabbit ai company ai features came out big stinker humane yeah because they didn't come ai company big big come out big stinker apple's doing it right man they just got to keep picking the can down the road never release this stuff they'll get all eventually with all this ai stuff it'll pass we'll be over it and then they can just quietly back into the distance yeah put it under the covers we'll all forget about it they raised so much capital so much hype and never had to hurt anybody you know you say that ellis but like that's a real strategy i mean yeah some companies use yeah full self-driving that's true yeah where even like i'm trying to think of another good example but like a device will launch and the one like kind of cool headline maker demo feature will be like shown at the beginning, but then it won't launch with it.

1:04:46And then after like a long time, it'll quietly get added back into the background. Deep Fusion. Apple did this. I'm cool. I know. Because Deep Fusion is like not that cool like of a headline. Like I'm thinking of like a big tech demo thing. Well, they tried to make it seem cool. Yeah. I don't know. I want to think of a better example, but literally something where it's like, oh, this would be really cool if it worked. and like oh wow this is the one that has it nobody else has it so it goes on sale and people buy it and they're like this is so cool yeah and even sometimes reviewers will get a beta version so we get to like show it on camera yeah and then it just won't ship for like forever yeah god i want to go surface duo software does that a lot with software google will like announce something and then they'll just like wait so long to release it that people forget about it and then there'll be some rant well that that's never coming out not even generative ai can fix the chain lane fence man that's that's forever gone do you know how every well i don't know if every iphone has done this but you know how like after six months they release a new color to like drum up hype for the iphone again yeah do you think that's what these ai features are going to be now moving forward they release the phone and then like in six months you'll get all these cool other ai features that would be like at the apple event they announced the purple iphone and then that didn't come out till spring yeah imagine them announcing a color at the event and saying it's not we're still working on it still engineering guys orange is really hard and you can pre-order it right there yeah that's kind of how it feels sometimes that's how it's gonna feel it's like we all take it for granted that software takes time so like the development of it and like fixing bugs will take time we all just kind of understand that but it kind of just feels like they'll just drop it whenever they want yeah like we don't know when it's coming out yeah we have no idea when is genmoji coming out we don't i don't know and i'm so frustrated because i've been working on a video about genmoji for like six months i actually think genmoji looks really cool well too bad because yeah i know it's not coming out for my half an hour video essay in two years when it finally comes out yeah so anyway we should stop ranting we should we're gonna review the phone we do here we're gonna review the phones eventually so purpose stay tuned for that and uh yeah i don't Let us know what you think of these.

1:06:57Are they vaporware? Are they coming soon? Should we have some degree of like, how much do we trust the company? I'm just curious if you just leave your comments about that. I want to read some of those. If this episode gets 10 ,000 likes, Marquez won't even review the iPhone 16. Yeah, also, not enough of you guys liked the previous episode, so Marquez came back. We were trying to keep him off the podcast. Oh, is that what happened? My bad. So now, go like and subscribe. Yeah, go like and subscribe. We're going to take a quick break. we gotta talk about like ps5 pro some other quick stuff but before we do take that quick break we gotta talk about trivia trivia trivia dude all right question two were you paying attention thank you ellis nice beat question two speaking of apple intelligence features that may never ship they had one where instead of asking the person what kind of dog they had they pointed a camera I'm like, that was the hold on.

1:07:53Sorry, that was the funniest interaction, like fake interaction ever. It's just this woman walking her dog and a guy comes up and like doesn't ask what kind of dog it is and just takes the photo of the dog. He gets on one knee. He asks her first. The worst part is he goes, can I take a picture of your dog? And she goes, sure. And then he goes, Siri, what kind of dog is this? I'm right here, bro. Second question. What kind of dog was it? I remember. oh I remember that well you know this hell yeah did it say I'm not gonna tell you why it did say but I think I know I gotta write this down right now I think it was like a up up up up up save it for later I'm stuck between two and I think they're just similar looking dogs it was a mix right it was a cat we were gonna say if it could figure out what kind of dog Boris is because even the cat And then it just gaslights you in a thing.

1:08:52So it'll just immediately write to your doctor, like, delusional, needs help. What kind of dog is this? This is a bag of chips. That's what the rabbit would do. Well, anyway, we'll think about those answers. There will be at the end, like usual. We'll be right back.

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1:09:57I think it's a red flag. Probably. If you decide to announce your thing the day of the iPhone announcement. That's what I said to Miles. That's what I said to Miles. Because Canon put out a new camera. They put out where a new camera and I was like, oh, so it's I think red flag or like delusional confidence. Yeah, very. Yeah, very, very last year. OK, yeah, that's true. Because last year, the Fuji GFX 100 Mark II came out the same day. And Fuji asked me like, hey, you doing anything on September 10th? And they asked me that in April. And I was like, the Apple event is that day, probably. And they were like, yeah, whatever.

1:10:41and I was like guys what are you doing even all the camera reviewers are at the Apple event so they can't be at your event yeah that happened to OnePlus not that long ago anyway so what happened what happened this week okay PlayStation 5 Pro for all my gamers out there I'm not a gamer really gamers can't afford this that's true actually did you try Deadlock I did not yet someone did someone did tweet at me and asked if I tried it yet I need to try it still okay anyway uh sony has been hyping like very low key the playstation 5 for a long period of time through like little intentional leaks that they've been doing the pro the pro sorry playstation 5 pro yeah uh and they finally officially announced it they'd had like an 11 minute technical demo presentation with the guy that's in charge of the engineering hey hey it was 20 minutes but 10 of those minutes were a countdown nice okay uh it is better than the normal ps5 in a few key ways it has a bigger gpu with 45 faster rendering and 67 more compute units and 28 faster memory it is also using playstation's new spectral super resolution which is like nvidia dlss which is an upscaler um and in the whole point of it is to try to not make users choose between fidelity and frame rate this is basically everything that they were talking about during the technical presentation they were like you have the option of doing higher fidelity but then the frame rate is like 30 fps or lower or you can do higher frame rate but lower resolution now the very funny thing about this presentation was they showed a bunch of games on ps5 versus ps5 pro and they were like wow look at the graphical difference and you could see zero difference oh no they looked exactly the same like it was very very very difficult to see any difference between the games so it seems kind of wild to release like a pro version of this when they're not releasing any games that with it that like need to take advantage of the the resolution or the fidelity um and it's also 700 well there are some i guess i'm assuming that like the games now that make you choose won't make you choose anymore because right now when i play like there's a there's like a racing game where it's like do you want like full 4k and lower frame rate or do you want like the high like the shadows and ray tracing and all that but like lower and i imagine all of those games will not make me choose anymore it just maxes out everything yeah so that's cool that's cool but like he was showing the differences between the lower resolution and the higher frame rate and you really could not tell the difference between the lower resolution and the higher resolution versions you'd probably have to be pixel peeping yeah it was like if you zoom in into this back corner across the street you could see that miles morales reflection is staring at this yeah it was just it was the most minor thing ever um so a lot of people are kind of upset about it it does have some other upgrades it can now support 8k nobody has an 8k display so it doesn't matter it now has wi-fi 7k tvs technically i don't have an ak tv yeah uh now comes with a two terabyte ssd with an ssd expansion slot available wow but there's no disc option and instead they will be selling an 80 disc attachment for your physical rate can i just say games and blu-rays even the chrysler pacifica had a blu-ray player and the ps5 pro does not but the chrysler pacifica costs 50 000 and this is what you said 700 yeah yeah that should have that's the one that the pro is the one that should have a disc player well there was there was a disc version and a disc list version of the regular ps5 right so but the disc list version was kind of like assuming people were going to buy all their games in the store and not like have local media and they probably will have less games because they're all on the console.

1:14:44But the people who have a ton of games are going to want the disc and the Pro. Either that or just a lot of storage. As a 2K player, do you buy the disc? No. Because I know there's a lot of sports people who like that. Whoever's the cover of the NHL game each year is the big news. And people like to buy it when your team or a player you like is on it. Yeah, it's actually a curse to be on it. Interesting. I hope that's not true in the NHL. Isn't it? I know with Madden, there's the Madden curse. Yeah. I think that's also true about 2K. Or they just lose. But yeah, you can buy an$80 disc attachment.

1:15:21I can see people getting pretty mad about that. Yeah, people are pretty upset. Obviously, maybe they just didn't show good examples of the Fidelity being higher. And maybe it'll be better in person, but who knows? Anyway. I hope you get to check it out. If I get one. limb right now yeah for five hundred dollars yeah so yeah it's gonna be coming out september 26th uh i'm sorry pre-order is open on september 26th and the launch is november 7th okay enough time for us to like do tech timber stuff and still get our hands on this and be on time yes sick uh okay last thing is huawei finally officially uh released and it well announced their huawei mate xt tri-fold phone and we finally got to see how it folds and i felt really dumb when i realized how it folds because i remembered that huawei foldable phones are exterior folding phones not interior well this is both yes yeah but the the top screen folds exteriorly over yeah i believe it's top screen right side is the fold yeah and then that folds out from underneath to be one regular fold and then that folds out from underneath.

1:16:35I think doing it with my hands makes it so much more confusing. Confusing as a video. Imagine audio. I think me trying to do it with my hands last time is what made it so confusing. So I take blame for that. My only beef is they're calling it a tri-fold, but it's actually a two-fold. This is actually what I would like every foldable to be because it is a 6.4-inch display when it is closed, but then when you open it, it is a horizontal aspect ratio 10.2 inch 3k display which is so sick the problem i have with uh the hamburger no hot dog style foldables right now like the google pixel 9 pro fold or the galaxy z fold 6 or whatever or the one plus fold is that when you open them up it's like a square aspect ratio and then you don't really get that much better screen real estate and widescreen videos because they have to crop in.

1:17:25It crops a ton. This will actually give you wider. It still will definitely have black bars. It'll be like an iPad. Yeah. It's awesome. Yeah. It's so sick. What do you think the creases are like? The photos look like they were pretty intense, except when you're looking at it full on, straight on, apparently you don't really notice it. To be fair, I feel like a lot of folding phones are like that. It's easy to get a good glare and see it. But most of the time when you're using it, it's pretty good at not noticing it quite as much. You can also use one, two or three of the panels at a time so one would be when it's closed two would be one of them is still folded around the back which i assume is for like when you're taking pictures of another person so they can see themselves when you're taking the photo so it's like half open oh okay yeah and then three is when it's all the way open in tablet mode wow there's so many so many different phones in one yeah and they were like they were like touting the same amount as three phones yeah this is like the the like men's five-in-one shampoo conditioner body wash as a phone they were touting that you should be using it with like a keyboard and a mouse which is really sick i just i love i just love this i want to see it so bad like yeah if i had to say if depending on how it all works that type of folding out size is what i would be okay with going into a fold because i would want a significant difference in when you open it up all the way and this is that yeah it still looked a little bit chunky but i would i would do i would use that for for the convenience of having a giant tablet wow yeah 2800 yeah 2800 usd 3k that's going back to our earlier conversation about you're either delusional or very confident they announced this a couple hours after the on purpose yeah yeah which by the way this was the perfect year to do it because this was like the least innovative iphone year true it got some hype it has 4 million pre-orders.

1:19:16We're talking about it now. At least that's what they said. That's what they said. That's what Huawei called. There clearly was hype around this stuff. I saw a lot of it on Twitter and tech Twitter at least. I mean, we can't even use it in the US, right? It's not that big of a deal for us, personally. I want to see it, but I think people are pumped about this. Yeah, I really want to check it out. I just want to play with it like a tech demo, which is so cool. Yeah, I don't know. I think it's going to be a number of years before we see a US manufacturer start making something like this, unfortunately.

1:19:48Who's going to do the first quad fold? That's basically crumple phone. Quad fold is crumple phone. It's going to fold like this and then fold in half. Yeah, it goes out and then also flips up like a map. The Huawei origami. When you flip it up, it has a little fortune written inside. Well, on that note, we've talked about this one enough. We should wrap this up. We've talked a lot. Last thing we should do is get to the answers to trivia questions. Trivia time. I have to leave my answer to the second question at the bottom because I don't want to forget it. But I wrote it already. And you never forget.

1:20:30Do you want to just do the second question first? Oh. Okay. Yeah. Oh. I was kind of expecting you guys to say no, but I thought that would be funny. All right, why not? Let's switch it up. You're paying attention. All right. Quick update on the score. Marquez with 16. Andrew in the lead with 20. David following up with 19. Yo, Andrew, how's your back feel? Like, for real? Well, I mean, you've got to... I have a kid now, so I'm not creating. You've, like, relieved a lot. You're not carrying that one anymore, bro. You've got all that weight off. I'm carrying the one. That's crazy. You know who's actually carrying the one?

1:21:07You're carrying my one. Passed it on to me. google ellis i'm not sure why at some point in the past we wrote my name down on the score sheet and carry the one uh but did you answer google with negative three and marquez while you were gone david pierce hopped on for a productivity uh checkup with andrew so he got a point as well so he's carrying the one i have added three tasks to my google task and um i did those tasks and i never checked them off you're halfway there you're halfway there you did the important part yeah i I did it for David. All right. Here's your question. Okay. During the event, when they were showing off Apple's visual intelligence, which is basically just Google Lens, someone walked up to a dog and instead of asking them what kind of dog it was, took a picture of it and used Apple intelligence to identify the breed.

1:21:54What breed was that animal?

1:21:59Do you have to spell it right? No. Okay.

1:22:05the look marquez just gave me i'm really hoping baby you're really focused over there yeah are you trying to figure out how to spell it or are you just so confident he's writing in cursive god oh no flip him and read what do you got like that all right oh that's the wait it was an australian like sheepdog thing wait cattle dog and sheepdog i think are two very different dogs really i know you're trying to say australian cattle dog because that's the other thing i was thinking of because these two dogs kind of bear resemblance it does look like what you wrote but i yeah i'm pretty sure it said australian cattle dog when it was on the keynote stage damn it dang it what did you write you why'd you give that to him Blue Healer.

1:22:52Nope, not Blue Healer. They look pretty similar, right? That's like a Magic the Gathering card. Blue Healer. Yeah. David? I read you right. What did you write? Doll. Nation. No. Nation. Wait, hold on, hold on. That's good. Thank you. What? There's no difference between a Blue Healer and an Australian Cattle Dog. Okay, well then I will say. They are the same breed. I thought Blue Healer. That's impressive. Okay, all right, whatever. I noted that it said Australian Cattle Dog because it was just in Australia, and I was like, oh cool, Australian cattle dogs. That's why I remembered it. But I guess that's correct.

1:23:27Yeah, I thought Blue Heeler was a kind of Australian cattle dog. What's the difference? Okay. I think that should probably count. All Blue Heelers are Australian cattle dogs but not all Australian cattle dogs are Blue Heelers. So that means I was on the right side, right? That means that the dog in the keynote was not necessarily a Blue Heeler. Interesting. What do you think? Nope. No, I'm fine with not getting it. Sorry, bro. This is very funny, though, in this. It says, but what about the blue Heeler? Do they measure up to the Australian cattle dog characteristics? They most certainly do because they are the same breed.

1:24:03Measure up? Wow. Because I was also looking for, they show the words Australian cattle dog on the phone. I remember that. That's what I was looking for. I think it's pretty impressive that I remember the dogs. Every time I saw a dog in Australia, I was like, oh, that's an Australian. And I just went into it. All dogs are Australian dogs. That's Australian. That's an Australian poodle. That's an Australian German shepherd. It's an Australian man. I'm having fun. This is a great episode. But Apple did say 3D twice during their event. What two products did they say 3D during? And yes, I realize now, only after asking the question.

1:24:41How specific do you have to be on the product? Like, give me an example. Yes. If there's a pro and... What do you think? I feel like I'm If you guys don't give this I need specific Because otherwise there's only like three products And you need to name two of them I really did not do a good job With this question I tried to give specifics Alright Who wants to go first I wrote Airpods 4 Apple Watch 10 Wait let me make sure it wasn't the Ultra I'm pretty sure it was It wouldn't be the Ultra. The Ultra already exists. Ultra's flat. No. What? It was, in fact. Really? The Ultra. Are you sure? What would they say was 3D about the Ultra?

1:25:36Was 3D anodized black? Wait. Yep, it's the Ultra. One point for David. Really? What is the 3D? Well, I'll tell you after I go around. Oh, perfect. Oh, I just said AirPods 4 and AirPods Max. Well, I said AirPods and Apple Watch. You said AirPods? Even though I'm right twice, I'm wrong twice. Wait, here's... Marques did give the specific examples. So I said AirPods with 3D audio tracking. And I said Apple Watch with the 3D curved display. So I'm definitely not right. Unfortunately, all right. So it's Apple Watch Ultra? It's 3D about the watch. They described the Apple Watch Ultra Band, the new one by Hermes, as 3D, which is stupid because it's a physical object.

1:26:26Specifically, they said it's made of a 3D knit as if to explain to us that it is not, in fact, part of the f***ing Chalk Zone. That one I was at home watching and my jaw hit my cap. I was just like, Jesus Christ. You didn't say 4D. Yeah, right. And then the other time they used the word 3D was to describe the 3D photogrammetry they used to map, quote, thousands of ears in preparation for the new AirPods 4. God, I wish I was one of those ears. But, Marques, you have 17 points now with your dog point. Andrew, or excuse me, David, second place, still one point behind with 20. Carrying the one. And Andrew, Big Cheddar himself, in the lead with 21 points.

1:27:20I can't wait till some dog breed expert argues, bullies you guys, and I get another point by next year. I welcome that. Because, not even going to finish that sentence. Thanks for watching this episode of Wave 4 Podcast. Thanks for listening. Thanks for subscribing. And thanks for watching the clips. And of course, thanks for tuning in every week. We'll see y 'all in the next one. Make sure you watch our half of an iPhone review when it comes out. Oh, you should also watch the studio video about answering questions about Apple Park. It was really well done. Yes. Yeah, video was really fun to make.

1:27:56Love that video. I hit Andrew in the face. I almost lost vision in one of my eyes during it. You almost lost Apple Vision Pro. That's not for another four months. Ultra. Four months? Oh, sorry. Coming later. lots of vision coming later Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Rovin we are part of the Vox Media Podcast Network and our interactive music was created by Vance our heads are so scary what's a bigger bird than that? Albatross. Albatross?