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24:31Would be even crazier. Martin, have you ever had an Android phone? I have. That sounds so exciting. Samsung S8. S8? I think S8 was like peak Samsung. I agree. If you had to go back right now, what would you go to? If I will go back, it would be the Fold. The Samsung Fold? Yeah. But it's expensive. This is so interesting. Everyone who's an iPhone user, we've asked, when we say if you go to an Android phone, they all want the fold. They all want a folding phone, which when Apple does one, is it going to actually go crazy? It's going to go... I don't want to hype it up too much, but I just feel like...

25:15There's so many people... I feel like there's... You're doing great, sweetie. There's two different kinds of iPad users, right? There's people who buy iPads because they want to sit on their couch and watch a movie, and there's people that buy iPads because they have some idea of some really practical thing they could do with it. Yeah, like flying a plane. Sure, exactly. And I think I've found as a pretty hardcore iPad user that the form factor actually gets in the way of a lot of stuff. It's not particularly portable, like truly portable. You still need a backpack. And at that point, it's like, why would I not just bring a laptop?

25:50And that is what the iPhone Fold is for. All right, well, the iPhone Fold Generation 4 will probably be perfect for you. Yeah, when I'm like 39 years old. What's so bad about 39? I'm not that far away from that. All right, welcome back. We have another interview right here for you. This time, someone we actually know from this world. This is Brad. Hello, I'm Brad Bennett. I'm Canadian. I work at a Canadian tech blog called Mobile Syrup. What is up, Mobile Syrup? I forget how much I love that until I hear you say it. It's a great, great, great name. Brad, we don't really know each other, but I see you here every year.

26:27Yeah, we met one time. We had a drink one time a few years ago. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, New York. Brad's someone I remember. Well, I was going to say I see every time I come, but I haven't gotten an event badge in. I know. We were in the risers at one point. We've been in the risers before, and I always see you around at the cafe here. That's right. Well, I'm glad you guys remember me. I'm happy to be here. Oh, yeah. And this is part of the joy of doing these events is you see industry folk that you sometimes only see through these sort of things. but it's always a good time. Right, we wanted to talk about Ceramic Shield.

26:55Yeah, I love Ceramic Shield. Really, I didn't know anyone had strong opinions about Ceramic Shield at all. Well, I'm doing this mostly for my fiancee, who just destroys phone screens every year. Just scratched really bad, she's not going to be happy being on blast like this, but those screens look tough. And so, last year, they made a big deal about Ceramic Shield and the iPhone 16s being a lot better, and then throughout the year, you know, it didn't seem like that much better in my testing throughout the year. This year, they were like, well, we now have Ceramic Shield 2. And to me, I was like, wait, have we not had many generations of Ceramic Shield so far?

27:28But one of the guys on the floor was telling me today that previously, it was just called Next Generation Ceramic Shield. It's one of those classic Apple moves. That is the most Apple thing possible. And then this year, I think it's 3x scratch resistance as opposed to the previous one. So they thought that that was a big enough jump to finally add the number two to the end. So that's what I learned about Ceramic Shield. When you have your second kid, don't call it your second kid just say it's your next generation next generation it's lane next generation yeah if you have a third kid that you really like that could actually that's lane too yeah that's what did you think or first i want to ask we see her all the time do you know what number apple event this is for you this or have you had to take a guess think uh so i started coming in just to be sort of tailing out of covid and travel was starting to pack up for these things so my first apple event was wwdc m2 macbook air okay maybe three years ago okay that sounds of art so three then you're out like sixth event probably yeah two two a year yeah two here and then sometimes they have smaller events sometimes in toronto they'll do little things like if it's an ipad or whatnot um but yeah this is my and this is my second apple event as a full-on reporter my very first one i was just the camera guy for our website because i do a little right because i remember you had the craziest camera rig the last time i saw you here uh maybe oh with the big gimbal with like the arm and then you also had the the peak design backpack holster things you're like, I was like, this is camera Batman over here.

28:50Canadian camera Batman. The only time I used that clip, I bought it thinking I would use it all the time. The only time I ever use it is here because I'm just like, I have to hold the phone. I got to put my camera somewhere and they don't let you put your cameras on the tables really when you're in there. It's really annoying the things you can't do in there. Marquez loses it because he's using like his huge red rig and we can't bring sticks in there. They usually, we can't even bring the camera. We have to check it because it's in like a roller bag. He's not going to sit with it on his lap. I could see that.

29:13Yeah. They are tight with a security detector sometimes. They're super tight with it. Was there anything that stood out in this one, too, or like the new iPhone design language? Definitely. I mean, the Air, I'm super excited about it. It just feels so good when you pick it up and you hold it in your hand. It just feels like a pane of glass. You're the first person we're talking to that held it. Really? Okay, well, it's really nice. The sides are glossy, so it kind of gives you that old 14 Pro feeling or 13 Pro feeling, but obviously it's titanium. They're saying it's going to do like 26 hours of battery life with like streaming video or whatever that metric is.

29:44And that's supposed to be as good as, I think, the 16 Pro from last year. So this phone is actually stacking up to be a lot better than we had anticipated on paper. Once we get it into the labs and we're testing things out and Marquez and all you guys are using this a lot more, we'll see how that holds up. But it just, I don't know, people, it doesn't seem to make sense thinner phones, but when you hold it, it's just like there's this magic moment. I'm sure if you guys hold the Edge. I was going to say that the Edge was this like, hey, that's pretty cool. It came into the studio. All of us were like, oh my gosh.

30:13And then I was thinking the other day, I was like, where's our edge? Has anyone talked about it or held it? But as an iPhone, it's probably a bit more popular. I think so. I think more people will appreciate that. I agree. Yeah, and then just the last cherry on top is I think liquid glass was kind of leading towards the air. And just when you hold it, that glassy effect. With everything together. I've been dreaming of the trifold thin phone from Westworld for years. We're getting there. This is a step in the direction. Yeah, I actually, I've heard a few musings on the internet about how the air was actually sort of like a stepping stone for the fold to just get the quality and like, well, as far as the manufacturing goes.

30:52Exactly. I've been thinking that same way. It's like they're making phones thinner to fold them. This is the stop app to just like, you know, the screen's not ready in the foldable. It's not tough enough or whatever. Well, we can make them thin. People are going to like it. How does the plateau feel? Yes, the plateau. It's up high, so you don't really notice it. And apparently the A19 Pro chip is in the plateau. So I'm really excited to see if that really takes the heat away from my hand while I'm holding it. Could be exciting. Will it apply a lot of heat to the camera stuff that's right beside it?

31:22And will that be a negative? I don't know. It is wild that they shoved everything in the plateau to basically... Because they need every centimeter or millimeter there for battery. Yeah, which is, I wasn't expecting that. Actually, I will say for Canadian fans, if you're not reading mobile syrup, you should, because we're covering you on this. But this is the first year that all the iPhones are eSIM only in Canada, it seems. We're finally getting on that train. So you get that extra sugar cube battery. I was like, I'm importing a phone if we don't get that. Like, I will take all the battery I can get.

31:49Is this like one of the first times we're going to have the two SKUs of like, and one's going to have a better battery life? It seems like it. Yeah. Because it seemed like in the old ones, the SIM card chip, the old one, and the American models was just filled with a little piece of plastic or something. And so now, yeah, it's like there's a big battery difference. And I think actually that's what Apple needed to kind of push people towards eSIM. It's like there was never really a big reason to care about it. But if it's like I'm going to get a little battery, which I do care a lot about. That's very, because Pixel just went all eSIM.

32:15All of them, not even just the U.S. models. And they didn't tout anything about it. Or maybe they said, who knows. Yeah, I didn't watch that one as much. You know, Jimmy Fallon, I guess. Jimmy Fallon wasn't talking about it. Jimmy Fallon got us a great title and great click-through rate on our podcast episode. So, you know, I'm pro-Jimmy Fallon. All right. Yeah, I probably won't bring in the click-through like Jimmy. No, I think you will. While you're here, though, there is one thing from this event that I really want to talk about, which is... Of course you want to talk about it, Ellis. Live translation.

32:44Oh, yeah. Which I don't know if you listen to the show, but I have been saying for over a year now that this is not going to come out anytime soon. It was worse than that. It was, what are your predictions for this year? And Ellis said, there is zero chance live translation comes. And every single event since he said that has introduced live translation in some way, shape or form. And I was feeling like, wow, I really did not do a good job with that prediction. And this event changed my mind. Because I watched their live translation little thing, and I was like, nope. I was like, this is not going to work.

33:18And not because the event made it seem like it didn't work. They didn't really demo it in real life at all. but it just feels like one of those things that's like such a game changer in tech that why would they give it only five minutes of the event unless it just straight up doesn't work yeah that's fair that's a good point um have you tested it i have not i did put the airpods in um they feel a little different in the year the noise cancelling was good but i didn't i didn't do the translation thing i should have i didn't think about it i don't know if the person i don't know if they probably would have at this point maybe if you have a briefing later you'd be able to test it It felt weird, though, that they talked about it for five minutes, sandwiched between foam in the eartips and a slightly different design or whatever.

33:58I cannot feel the foam in the eartips. You can't feel it? They feel the same to me. I don't know. Okay. And then also it's the kind of thing where part of this crazy rant was I pulled up a list of every single time a tech company has announced live translation since 2014. I was going to say, you've got to go back pretty far. It's dozens. Yeah. And we still don't really have it. Well, the thing I kind of think is I just feel like it's like ultra ultra niche, you know, like I my girlfriends from Mexico. She speaks Spanish. We don't speak Spanish at home unless and if her parents are over, they'll speak English because in there sometimes they'll speak a little Spanish.

34:26But like, are we all going to sit there with AirPods in so we can communicate in this weird way? I don't I don't think so. I guess like if you travel a lot, maybe. But I also think about in those instances, like I'm wearing my AirPods. I woke up to you. I'm like, we're going to do this thing. You have no idea what I'm talking about. Right. Like, I'm like just putting a phone in your face. And I'm like, what? Where do I go for this thing? and I'm in broken language or whatever. I don't know. It seems like a tough one. Helpful if it works, but. Yeah. Well, we'll see if I have to eat my words. Yeah.

34:53I ate my hat on the orange one. I was like, every year the renders come out with crazy colors. There's no way we're seeing an orange pro. And they're just like, boom. What do you think of the orange? It's exciting. I think it's fun. I guess because they're doing the aluminum, it's finally time to slap on some crazy colors. But it's pretty bombastic compared to the pro iPhones of the past. I personally was a huge fan of Desert Titanium last year. I just liked that earth tone element. So I'm a little sad to see that fade away, but it's exciting. And I think people online seem to be reacting pretty positively to it.

35:21I like it. I, yeah, both of us love the orange. Our team is pretty split on it, I think. But I don't know. I'm pretty orange. And it matches the, like, the Watch Pro, like, or sorry, Watch Ultra accent button. Or maybe not totally match it. I don't think it actually, I don't know. I wish I would have brought my Watch Ultra to compare. I feel like it matches the crown. Yeah, it probably, yeah, that's a bit brighter. You're right. And it's probably like you're not going to be having them close enough that it's going to matter that much. But yeah, maybe, I don't know, Apple does that strange sometimes.

35:50I mean, last year they had the blue Air and the blue iPad Air, and they're both like ever so slightly different. And it was like, guys, come on, we used to match this stuff. This iPad mini, when I bought it, I accidentally bought purple. And I didn't realize I bought purple for like weeks after. When I reread my receipt, I thought I had silver at the end. This is barely even purple. You're just always out at like dusk and you're like, man.

36:17I'm not buying this pink laptop. And he left. And we were like, this is gold, dude. I'm telling you. And he was like, not a chance am I using this? And he left. That's awesome. I thought it was funny. My first iPhone was rose gold. I remember just feeling. Back in the day, it was a power move. I remember feeling so cool. It was a rose gold 4S. Wow. No, it was, I think, 5 or 5S. I don't think they had a rose gold 4S. No, you're right. I think they had a rose gold 4S. No, you're right. I'm lying about this. I had a rose gold 5 and or 5S and my 4S was white. Cool. Was your 4S your first one? I am old.

36:49What? Was the 4S your first one? 4S was the first one. I had two Android phones before that. And the 4S was my Switch. And I remember it was right around the time they made the iOS update where everything was really thin. Just like... A 7, I guess? I guess that was 7, yeah. And I just remember feeling like I was in the future. Schooling you on your own phones right now? Yeah. I felt like, I remember feeling Do they have Ruka? In Canada? Is that a food? It's spelled R-V-C-A It's like a surf brand That's how you pronounce that? I've never heard that I thought it was just R-V-C-A And to me I just remember feeling like I had the Ruka phone I don't know, those two The iOS 7, maybe it's just me Maybe we should never make another episode of Waveform Podcast One more question that has nothing to do with this Apple event So Marquez recently Has been having issues with his ARC browser and we're all separately trying to convince him to use a different browser.

37:40Aren't those guys like going out of bed and they sell? Oh my goodness. It's very confusing. They claim they're not sunsetting it, but we all know they're sunsetting it. If you had to pitch him a browser of what he should use, what should it be? Man, I mean, this is not a good option, but I've been like really iOS 26 pilled. So I've been using Safari on my Mac lately and it looks great. Maybe it doesn't look bad. I know you can do this on a lot of different ones, but you can set that custom wallpaper on your launch page and everything just looks cool and it all matches. And I'm like, you know, a browser's a browser.

38:12If I need something crazy that's not working, I'll just open up Chrome and I know it's going to work. But for 90 % of the time, I just want it to look nice. And I'm in so far. Are you on that train? Of course I'm on that train. Doesn't it feel nice to have RAM in your computer that's available? Yeah. And it feels nice to look pretty, you know? Yes. Why do I pay for all that RAM if I'm not going to use it? Dude, nothing drives me more insane than when I open Chrome and I'm like, let's just open Activity Monitor and see what's going on. And Chrome is just like, oh, you've got 64 gigabytes of RAM available.

38:38I'll just use all of it. You don't need it for anything else. These tabs are going to fly, but don't open Photoshop. Don't open anything else. Brad, it's been a pleasure. Thank you guys for having me. It was really good to see you guys again, and a blast. Yes, go read Brad's writing and watch his videos. Yeah, I think it must be social videos on our Instagram for this one, just sort of a downsizing on our end, but lots of stuff on the website, and I'll be excited to watch this episode. Is it MobileSherap.ca? or mobile syrup.com? It's actually mobile syrup.com for whatever reason. That was before my time.

39:08I don't know how that happened. I think if you type.ca, it might redirect, but that might have gone away as we've kind of shoveled through different owners over the last couple of years. But yeah, thank you guys so much. Thanks a lot. Happy iPhone Day. Thank you. Bye. Bye. Thank you. Resize ads and translate content. Anyone can in a click. And collaboration tools put feedback right where you need it. See how you can turn your team into a content machine with Adobe Express, the quick and easy app to create on-brand content. Learn more at adobe.com slash express slash business.

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41:43Thank you. We were hanging out over there when we were just talking with Brett and you came on. You said you've been a long-time listener, right? Yep. Awesome. Thank you. I haven't missed a single episode since 2022. I might have missed a couple of videos on the main channel, but not on Waveform. We'll make sure Marques knows about that later. I will tell him immediately. Thanks for the support. That's awesome. Did you, you, you're here in Cupertino, you watched the event previously? I didn't watch it in person. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you saw it. We didn't watch it in person. We didn't go inside.

42:08We're out here because we didn't get to go in and do it. Yeah, I work here at AMD. Okay. So I just saw you guys' Instagram stories. Really? Let me just drive here. It worked. It worked. We got at least one person from it, which is a success. I wasn't sure you guys were still here or not. So I just drove quickly and you guys were still here. Awesome. Thanks for coming. Yeah. Was there anything from the event that really stood out to you? Are you an iPhone user? Yeah, I am. You are? Okay. What are you on right now? I'm on 15 Pro Max. Okay. Yeah. Are you looking to upgrade? Not for 17. I was looking if there was something interesting, but didn't quite got sold out to that thing.

42:44Sure. I really like the Air. Yeah. It's thin, but I'm someone who likes multiple cameras for like night photography. So I don't think so how much beneficial it will be for me from going to 15 Pro Max to the iPhone Air. I think that's fair. So. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Probably not like it upgrade. Maybe I'll just wait for 18 then. Yeah. What'd you think of the orange color? I didn't like it. You didn't like it? No. I felt it. It was like cartoonish for me. Cartoonish? Yeah. Whoa. Oh. I haven't heard that yet. I haven't heard that. I actually thought it felt a little, I'd go the opposite. Like, not cartoony.

43:19It felt more like coppery, kind of. I haven't seen it in person. Well, we've seen a picture of it. Yeah, we're saying everything. I've only seen pictures of it. That's fair. Yeah. Yeah. Well, he hasn't seen it in person either. We're all going off the same thing here. Even if there isn't actually an orange iPhone, what if it's just a big ruse? That would be crazy. We're all just getting pranked right now? Yeah. I don't think so. Where's Ashton Kutcher? Yeah, where's Ashton Kutcher? Okay, so nothing about the phones are gonna upgrade. Were you interested in anything from the new AirPods or the new Apple Watch?

43:45Yes. What Apple Watch are you using? Yeah, I have the Series 8. Series 8, okay. It's quite old. Yeah, I was looking for an upgrade to this too, and I think Ultra 3 would be a good upgrade for me. And the satellite feature is something which I don't know how much it'll be useful in day-to-day life, But yeah, this is something good to have. And yeah, I think Apple, even I like the AirPods Pro 3 as well. I don't know, like I haven't seen it in person, but they look more elegant than I have the first gen Pro 2, the lightning ones. And I think that would be also another big upgrade for me. So yeah, those are the two things.

44:22I was thinking between the Series 11, the Watch 11 or the Ultra 3. but I think Ultra 3 looks great and it looks more rugged and the Aura look it's kind of the same from the Ultras but yeah do you what are your how well do you think live translation is going to work? okay yes never thought of I the only one time when I used live translation that is using my metaclasses okay yeah and that was wait those have live translation? yeah they do but like not exactly live translation so there was like a text and it translated me in English Oh, it was text. Okay. And then audio. Ellis is still right. Do you remember Ellis making the prediction that there will be no live translation?

45:10Yeah. And every single event has had it since. Yeah, but you can't buy live translation yet. I'm still technically right. Maybe. I don't know about that one.

45:24Yeah, it felt like... Did it not feel like they just kind of like put it between two random other new feature upgrade and kind of like glossed over it completely. Yes, and also the demo they showed like that there's some kind of business meeting going on and like that felt so artificial. Like nobody talks when there is like a delay of five seconds between what I say and what you say. I feel I'd rather just like have a real interpreter and then talk rather than having some gimmicky feature. I agree. Yeah, how much latency until it's not live anymore? Yeah. You know, let's be real here. I think they're doing the documentary-style overdub vibe where you hear it for a second and then it comes later.

46:06That's more than maybe two seconds. We didn't actually see it really work. We just saw a demo. It's September. Okay, we got three more months of 2025. I think I'm sailing clear with this prediction going to win. I'm not cooked. I thought I was cooked. It will be just good enough to make you eat your words, but no one will actually use it. That's fine. And frankly, if that's the case, humanity will be better off. You know, I truly believe that all these tech companies were like, oh, Ellis said we couldn't. I'll show him. That's definitely what they're doing. I got a question. Billions of dollars of investments just to show me who, you know.

46:39What do you think is Ellis' battery life? Yeah, this is the last question. We need you to answer. I will ask Ellis when I'll meet him. Okay. Yes. We want you to guess. You're allowed to ask him questions about how he's doing today, too. I took my phone off the charger at probably like... It is right now 2.26. At 11 a.m.? Yeah, right when we left. Okay. So... You used it earlier though, right? Because you were up pretty early and went for a run. Did you not bring it? Yeah, but I charged it after that. And I think it fully charged during the event. Okay. So I think we could say I stopped charging it about three and a half hours ago.

47:13Okay. Let me guess. 2.30 now. Yeah. I will go with 35. Oh, that's a good guess. No, but I am at 72. Oh, wow. You're about 35. That's so long. To be fair, we've been sitting here doing this, and he hasn't really been using it. Yeah, that's true. That's 72 having not used it. I've also noticed that the first half drains a lot slower than the second half. That just tanks? Like, well, for example, yesterday, when I was boarding the plane, my phone was at 37, and when the plane took off, it was at 5. I just want to say you're a psycho for getting on a plane at 37%. I do everything at 37%. I do everything at 37%.

47:56I would go home if my phone was at 37%. I would be way too scared to be out anywhere. As somebody who listens to the podcast and clearly knows my struggle, what phone should I upgrade to? I feel anyone's battery is something, no matter whatever you get, it's an upgrade for you.

48:1516E. so i think 17 air would be not 17 just iphone air yeah oh wait they're just calling it that's a good point yeah yeah we thought that was weird i observed that doesn't feel good for longevity i feel like they're putting it in this weird spot where it's been like two minis two what they call them max the max is right just no they were pluses was it plus yeah yeah plus and now Oh, the air? Like, what are the chances that it's just two generations and then we try something else? I'm curious about what will they call an air for next year? Will it be air 2 or air 18? Yeah. Damn! Or just air again, but they call it second gen like subtext.

48:56I feel like that's very Apple. Yeah, the new air. Welcome back. I keep saying welcome back as if these are not like hard cuts between these interviews. Still at Apple Park. It's way hotter out now. and we are with Allison. Hello. Allison, can you introduce yourself and maybe explain what you're doing on this beautiful Cupertino day? I just happened to be in Cupertino. You just found a badge somewhere? Yeah, someone put this badge on me. Allison Johnson, I write for The Verge. I'm a smartphone lady and I dabble in wireless carriers. Very, very fun. How did you feel about the event? well it was more interesting than the last few have been honestly uh you know the redesign on the pro is kind of kind of something okay explain something that sounds like not good yeah i you know it's a strong look uh you know the are you guys plateau plateau i'm gonna say it for the next week and then probably stop saying i was thinking about calling it the mesa just to be sort of, you know, against the brain.

50:06But yeah, I think Plateau is nice. Yeah. It is kind of a mesa, though. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. I like the Plateau. I think it looks good. I've been extolling the virtues of the Plateau all day. Okay. Actually. Yeah. I don't think I've made up my mind, but it's different. It's like a different thing. This is, it's kind of weird for me to say because I've never been fond of, like, the visor aesthetic that a lot of... Like, pixel visor? Yeah, like the Pixel. I was about to say a lot of phones, but I think it's just the Pixel that does the visor. They've done some of the old, like, Huawei's had this big, like, but that used to be, like, when they were putting, like, a screen on the back of it, so it made more sense.

50:44This seems like they're shoving a lot of internals into it, at least for the air, right? Yeah, that nice sort of, like, smooth CNC'd wall up to the, I don't know, I'm into it. And I was trying to explain this earlier, and I couldn't, but it makes the phone feel like a control panel or, like, a console, like part of a cockpit that I, like, really, really like. It's asymmetrical symmetry. Sorry. Yeah. No, like the back panel having that little patch of like ceramic shield is interesting. I smashed this iPhone back glass. I won't blame my four-year-old, but it was kind of his fault. So I could have used that.

51:20But yeah, it's something interesting, different. 48 megapixel telephoto camera could be cool. We'll have to see. What do you think of the Air? the air is very light strikingly light oh wait we're getting interference I tested the how bad is it did it go and go away or is it still happening wait can you talk oh hello is it good yeah the air is super light it's you know as thin as it seems it is from the photos. Is it like the S25 Edge? Like the S25 Edge. It is slightly thinner. Wow. Okay. Yeah. But once you get down to like the width of a hair, I don't know. If anybody won there. Yeah. It's one of those things like you kind of live with it for a little bit, at least with the Edge.

52:22And you're like, this is nicer. This is lighter. Is that the one you're excited to test? Yeah, as long as the battery holds up. And, yeah, if it's in my back pocket, if it doesn't turn into a flip phone. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. What phone do you have right now? I got the 16 Pro. Okay. Not Max. I put a case on it. I hate cases, but the back is busted. To prevent it from getting any more busted. Yeah. And also so Apple doesn't see that I busted their review. Whoops. Sorry, Steph. We've all done it. I'll go get it repaired. So I guess if you were, would you trust the air with your four-year-old? Oh God, that's the question.

53:06I haven't even thought of that. That might be the ultimate test of ceramic shield. That would be a good article of like a... Four-year-old in a concrete, you know, pavement slab. Yeah. Who's left standing? Also, I just feel like it'd be so enticing to put in your mouth if I was four years old. That was like the worst way I could have said something. We're not going to change it. You know what I mean? we've been wondering, do you think the live translation will actually work? Oh God. I haven't like used a live translation thing that hasn't been super awkward. Yeah. Like I think in like a stage demo or a very careful, like you're ordering at a restaurant or whatever, it's been okay.

53:46Where someone's not like talking back to you and you need to go back and forth. It's just like saying one thing you need to, that you can rehearse pretty much. Yeah. It was like having a normal conversation seems, I don't know. Hypothetically, if someone at the beginning of the year was like, there's no way any like functional live translation comes out this year. Would you be like, that person's like really smart and knows what they're talking about? Or would you be like, I don't know about that. I am not taking sides in this beef. Allison. It's intriguing to say that. Hypothetically, assuming, you know, not that anyone did say this, but like if they did, like, and they needed an outside opinion.

54:27because him and his friends have been arguing about it all year. Yeah. You would say... I'm on the side of skeptical. I don't know if it's going to be great. Oh, this is very exciting. You said that? Okay. I've been getting a lot of... Hypothetically. A lot of hypothetical. Yeah. Hypothetically. It's like a thing I said allegedly. But, yeah. Did you feel like it was put in a weird place in this event? I think that's sort of a leading question, but... Yeah. They glossed over it pretty quick. They didn't really know what to do with it. No. Yeah. They're like, here you go. Even just in the hands-on afterward, the layout was weird because it's usually like iPhone, iPhone Pro, watches, earbuds.

55:07They just had little cases of earbuds, like little boxes they were walking around like they were chocolate or something. Like hors d 'oeuvres? Yeah, like an old-timey stewardess or something. They just had the AirPods. Do they feel considerably smaller? I didn't pick them up. There are three friggin' phones this year. You're focusing on all that. I did not partake in the AirPods. Oh, my gosh. Did we ask thoughts on orange yet? Orange? I'm pro-orange. Pro-orange. I like it. It's bold. We're pro also. We've had a lot of people who don't like it, though. Really? I'm really surprised by that. I think it's a really fun color.

55:46It's good. Fun is good. The orange is the best thing about it. The design is terrible. No, no, no. We're pro-made. we're pro Mesa over here. It's already been established. All right. We have one more question for you. If hypothetically someone on this podcast was using an iPhone 12 mini and took it off the charger at 11 AM this morning, what do you think his battery life is? 30s. 30s? In the 30s. You're the second person to guess 30s. Yeah. If I had actually been using it all day. You got the 12 mini here. Oh my God. My 13 mini is at home. It doesn't get to travel. I get it. So we asked our last, no, two people ago, we asked and I said I was at 73.

56:30I'm already at 66. And he hasn't even used it in the process. And I have not used it at all. Oh no. Yeah. So I will be upgrading this year. What do you think you should upgrade to? I'm holding onto it until they cut it off when they're like, is this security risk? I made the, so we're, we're still three years away from that somehow, which is crazy. I made the mistake of getting a base storage 12 mini, which after five years, I think of my 64 gigabytes, I think 52 of them are now system data that I can't take off the phone. And so my phone really can't like memory swap at all. And there's no storage left no matter what I do.

57:10And so it's the kind of thing where like the keyboard never actually works because there's no RAM left to do the assistive type thing. So what you have to do is you have to open messages, open the keyboard, lock the phone, unlock the phone, which clears the RAM, and then you can type your text. Oh, my God. That's awful. Yeah. I live in hell. All right. You should trade that in. Yeah. No, no, no. I'm not going to trade it in. I mean, they would give me zero dollars. They would recycle it for him. Right. We'll take this off your hands. Yeah. Allison, this has been an absolute pleasure. Yeah. Where can everyone find you?

57:46Yeah. You can find me at TheVerge.com. You can find me at AllisonJoe1 on threads and Instagram. Perfect. Link in the description. Yeah, thanks. Thanks, Allison. Thanks so much for joining. Thank you.

57:59Meeting. Speed. Are you bringing it back? Yeah. Cool.

58:11I don't know if that's part of the show. No, could you just stare at the camera? We're leaving that in. That's in the podcast. Welcome back. We've found another victim. Not just a victim, a professional victim. I was not warned about this. Yeah. Please introduce yourself. Yeah. So my name is Brett. I go by Brett Tech on the internet. I do mostly short form stuff. I started in like the smart home 3D printing, tankering space. Realist, I just like to explain nerdy stuff to the internet. Count grew. Now I just cover everything tech, including iPhones, laptops, whatever I think is cool. That's awesome.

58:47We haven't talked to many short form specific people because we are very long form, especially at the podcast. We're about as long form as you can get. What do you how do you get into doing specifically short form stuff? Craziest. I mean, I feel like everybody has a different content creator story. Mine's no different. Super funny. So I've always tinkered with smart home stuff. That's my main hobby. And I made just the craziest smart home automation that I loved. It was I like reverse engineered the Bluetooth protocol in my coffee maker. hooked it up to a pressure sensor in my bed. So every morning when I get out of bed, fresh cup of coffee.

59:22I thought it was the coolest thing in the world. That is the coolest thing. Yeah, sorry. It was the coolest thing. It still is. And I wanted to share it to some of my buddies on Discord. And I didn't know where I could upload the file because it was too big for Discord. Discord's annoying with that. It is. And I was like, what's the social media platform I take the least seriously and will never post anything on? TikTok, of course. So I posted it on TikTok almost as like a video hosting service. Made an account that night, shared the link to my buddies on Discord, went to bed, woke up, 3 million views.

59:51Oh my God. Whoa. And then literally, that was what, four years ago. And since then, it's almost been a conversation with the audience because I was like, I posted a video, there's comments. Oh, how do you set that up? What smart home setup do you have? Blah, blah, blah. And that just turned into a full-time job. And I'm now a short form creator. I tried to do YouTube too, but it's hard. Okay. No, that's awesome. And do you now post on all different forms of, uh, so like shorts, reels, TikTok? I definitely, definitely was a TikTok come up. Um, but now really focused, especially with like the, the band when that was lingering and everything really focused on diversifying.

1:00:25I try long form, but I truly, even as a creator, it's like working a different job. It's no different than like going from being a content creator to like a tile setter that it's like the way you script, the way you plan, the way you attack it. They're two totally separate things, even though they look similar. We feel that way in reverse. Yeah, yeah. To me, short form is like, I usually post three or four videos a day. I just riff quick all at the top. But short form, I've got to sit down. I've got to write a script. I've got to revise it. I've got to edit it. I've got to tell a story. It's just different, right?

1:00:56No, it's been really funny for us. Like, when we go to make a short, it's almost like an entirely isolated production pipeline. Like, we have different gear. We write the script. It's so funny. We're terrible at it. We'll have like one pop off and be like, oh, cool. That was awesome. And this one's definitely going to bang. And then it's like, yeah, yeah. Very low view count. And we're like, we have no idea. The one thing I have a few long form videos I made. I do like the control you get short form. There's like you got to disconnect what you think is good and what you know is good from the actual performance and just or else you get caught in this loop of things you can't control.

1:01:29And it's so, yeah, it's really post it. Forget about it. Move on to the next one and try not to be overly. That's what's fun about online creation, though, is like you kind of have, you know, we talk about this all the time when people start with us, especially if they're from legacy media is like you get to make something, see it through, post it, see your feedback. And then you're onto the next thing, usually within like a week, which is not normal. Yeah. Um, okay. So cool. You're here covering the Apple event. I am. Any thoughts specifically cut you? I mean, we're straight out of the event now.

1:01:58Yeah. Uh, I was pretty stoked on it. Uh, one of the things, I mean, a lot of the things we saw for rumors with the air coming in, And one of the things that really surprises me moving forward is how much Apple's diversifying their set of SKUs by bringing in the Air, the 16e. It's interesting to see them go in that direction. Because one of my favorite things about the Apple lineup to date has been how easy it is to recommend devices within it. The one thing that I find it curious how they're really expanding things out and maybe breaking that simplification for the better. Like, it could be for the better, but it could also be for the worse.

1:02:34But overall, really impressed. I thought some of the smaller features that didn't probably get a lot of love or a bigger deal than most a lot of people think, the satellite connectivity on the watch ultra. Yeah. That's one of those things that I think 99 % of people don't see it, but like for me personally, my main hobby is kite surfing. You go three, four kilometers off the ocean, no cell service, no tower, you don't have your phone with you. That's like a true lifeline that could really change the game for some people. Yeah, Great Event is my first one. Wait, wait, wait. No, no, no. We got to talk.

1:03:08Yeah, sorry. Hold on, hold on. Just drop that. Okay. First, kite surfing, like windsurfing, but without a fixed mass. Yeah. But your feet are attached to the board. There's a few. The windsport sphere is very large and confusing. But kite surfing, in its simplest form, is you have a kite 20-meter lines. It literally looks like a kite flying above you. Yeah. And you could either wear a wakeboard style board where you're doing tricks and stuff. You take it off, you're strapped in. Or you could ride a surfboard where you're traditionally like going into waves. Okay, so my mind is blown. So I grew up sailing.

1:03:46Yeah, there you go. Waveform viewers might not know this. Grew up sailing. I've been three miles offshore in a 16-foot sailboat, and that was a like hell no experience for me. Like an absolutely not, why am I here? This is not enough mass to support me this far away from civilization. You're doing this with a piece of fabric and a plank. I mean, a glorified, you know. No, that's what it comes down. It's a super light fabric, super light. But like, yeah. So you would trust. You have enough faith in the Apple satellite stuff to be like, oh, if something were to go wrong, I don't need like a real radio.

1:04:23Yeah. And to service the kite boarding community. It's real, very safety focused. Being three kilometers offshore is an edge case. Usually we're playing it safe, but there is the time you're doing it downwinder or when you're three kilometers offshore out of your control. Because the thing about wind sports is the wind goes the other way and you can't go straight into the wind. You're sometimes caught out. And I don't think it's so much of a I'm going to do that because I have the watch, but just having that as a safety option. I think with things like that, I don't think anybody is leaning on it as a crutch and going into this crazy, stupid thing.

1:04:55but having it just having it be there for that one, two, three percent of the times. And it seems like that's exactly what Apple is going for with the watch safety features. It's like with all their safety features. Yeah, really good example. Yeah, it's like don't don't rely on this to like don't. Yeah, like if you really need safety equipment, buy safety equipment. Yeah. But if you don't hear something you're using all the time that could potentially be. And the upgrades for satellites this year was we've had satellite SOS, right? And now we have though, like location sharing and messaging. Yeah, it's just a little bit more.

1:05:30That's always a nice thing to have. Just be like, hey, I'm going kite surfing. Yeah, like here, just so you know. You said this was your first event? This is my first iPhone event. So I've done two WWDCs. I've always been big on the software side. I'm good at explaining things that you can't see. But this is my first iPhone event and it's been super mega, ultra cool. Sweet. And you're a short form X. Ultra, ultra, Max. AirPods 3, cool. So you're a short form creator. How many, have you posted any content since the episode, since it ended? I've posted 25 videos. You posted 25? I was going to be surprised at three.

1:06:08Hold on. We've been working on one for an hour and a half. The, I've learned kind of the recipe to covering live events like this. Because I found my first dub dub was my first live event. I'm so sorry. Go birds! Go birds! Yeah, I was just so overwhelmed, so I've kind of had to build a system for it. And really all it is is I have two phones recording at all times of the keynote. Anytime there's something good to clip, clip it, post it real time, get in front of it. And then after I do summaries. So here's everything you need to know about the Apple event in one minute. Here's everything you need to know about the new iPhones in one minute.

1:06:45Here's everything you need to know about the new AirPods in one minute. Digestible, easy, quick. Yeah. So you said 25 are like 20 of those clips from the event and like five are your recaps afterwards and like the hand-on. And then there's some like in the margins, which are more like, okay, as soon as you get onto the floor, just film the colors of the iPhone, what iPhone color you want. Or there's not a lot of substance to it. It's just being the first piece of content. Colors of iPhones, they pop online. That's what somebody told me. I was like, that's so surface level. It is. It's annoying.

1:07:15But like I posted it and it's just like, fine. I know. Sometimes you got to know the couple things that do it, especially because you're someone who dives in really deep. Posting a couple colors probably feels like against it. What phone do you film all this on? Whatever phone I'm carrying. Really? Yeah, my content's very scrappy by nature. So the actual production outside of audio, which I learned is the one important one, the actual quality of my video, whether it's shaking or front camera, back camera, whatever I could do to get it out. So usually I carry the 16 Pro. That's what I film on. If I'm carrying a 15, today I had a 15 because my other 16 was dead.

1:07:55So yeah, I really don't put much thought into it. So when you're shooting short form, is thermal, are thermal, wow, I'm just going to start that whole sentence over. That was miserable. I'm keeping all this. When you're shooting short form stuff, you say you're keeping that? Yeah, of course he's keeping it. When you're shooting short form stuff, are the phones thermal something you're worrying about? Because that's a conversation we've had amongst our studio and with other people here quite a bit. Actually, because they showed the vapor chamber and we're trying to figure out what the best for that is.

1:08:23Outside of all the gaming they keep showing, we're trying to think. That's why we kept talking. And then I totally forgot. This is the second time I've said this on the pod. That we wanted that Canon C70 to be an iPhone. And we didn't trust it to not overheat during the shoot. I only ever run into it at events like this where I'm not only constantly filming, but also I usually can handle the constant filming, but the problem is editing, flipping over to Instagram, TikTok, posting it as posting in the background while you're filming. I am pretty bullish on the vapor chamber because that hopefully that's just the magic solution.

1:08:55But outside of events like this where filming, posting, uploading, editing kind of all in tandem, that's the only time where I feel like I reached that limit. But I've done, I do like some of my live streams and stuff on the phone and it's never been an issue just for capturing footage. Dang, cool. Are you wearing Bitcoin socks or direct-to-consumer socks? Direct-to-consumer socks. Funny enough, I used to work in the agency and marketing space. Okay, cool. So that's, I think, where some of my creator success comes from is I know how to communicate messages to people, and that's a newsletter we ran.

1:09:29As someone who seems to be doing short-form content right, what would you say to people who are trying to become tech short-form creators? What's the one thing that you wish someone had told you before you got it cooking? Even though you just said that your very first TikTok had 30 million views. I mean, to that point, though, you got to like, don't just review a phone. Don't just make a video to show this cool desk. Make something you want to tell your friends about. You got to be really excited about it, especially on short form. YouTube as well. People's BS detector on social is so alarmingly good, where if you just want to be a tech creator, so you're going to film a review about your laptop and how much RAM it has, not a chance.

1:10:10I don't care how good you are, what camera you have, you are going to get 10 views. Show if you really like your mouse because it helped you rank up in Apex and it's this very specific setting that you love and you want to dial that in and tell people about it, that's what's going to work. Something you're genuinely excited about. Don't worry about quality. Don't worry about intros, hooks, nothing. Just talk about what you're stoked on and then everything else will fill in, but that's the only thing that matters exactly what marquez did he didn't see a video for the hp laptop remote that was like plugged into the side of it and that's the first video he made yeah and it's like again it's cool yeah cool thing but most people like when you think tech creator you're like oh i've got a specs specs processor intel amd blah blah no like that's a that stuff is out there being done 10 000 times better than anybody entering and could do you're not going to compete with it and b you'll just be seen right through yeah um so you gotta lean on the stuff you care Okay, I have a question.

1:11:05Oh. Is it about automations? Because I wanted to ask something about it. It's about browsers. Browsers. Oh. Okay, no, this is a great question. Okay. We're trying to convince Marques to leave his browser Arc that he's been using for a while because it just got bought by private equity. All this whole thing. Yep. What browser do you recommend? What do you use? If you have to pitch Marques on a browser. If you have to pitch Marques on a browser. See, this is something I feel like I should care deeply about, but I just use anytime Anytime I'm working where something on Safari and can benefit from something native Apple, I'll jump in Safari.

1:11:36And then I use Chrome just because it's really good at triaging all my different workspace accounts. Safari for like raw performance on Mac. Anytime that I need performance and like cross device continuity, Chrome. I wish I had like some answer. No, no, that's fine. I think that's what most of the answers are going to be. Yeah. Like I wish there was like some niche opera game, but no, I just, yeah. Unfortunately, no hot takes on the browser. No, no worries. I want to ask one more question. You said you do a lot of automation other than the coolest automation ever of making yourself a cup of coffee.

1:12:05What's one other one you're super proud of? Maybe it didn't get a ton of views, but you're like, man, this I thought was really the coolest thing ever did. I have a follow up question actually. Oh, honestly, like there's, there's the cool ones that are like shock value that you never use, but it's the, I think one of, if anybody is interested in smart home and automation, the biggest thing that's kind of dropped in that world are millimeter wave radar sensors that can actually not just detect whether or not you're in a room but where exactly you are in a room it basically makes like a mini map that you could trigger occasions off of so like I've got a little workshop studio thing just having it so when I step up to my desk the standing desk goes down so I can sit there all the lights turn on and enters like a work mode when I go to my workbench the workbench light turns on doing like spatial automations like that and nothing nothing crazy just like making the lights are sorted make sure like when you hop into bed, the doors lock, that type of stuff.

1:12:59That's really the nice thing. What's the brain of this whole thing? We're about to go down a very deep rabbit hole. So I'll keep it very surface level. In the home automation space specifically, there's two kind of crews. There's the bleeding edge crew, which is a platform called Home Assistant. Totally open source. Everything's as custom as it possibly can be. That's where if you really want to push the limits, build some crazy stuff, you go there. In the smart home and home automation world specifically, I'm a big proponent of because it's something that's ingrained in your life It's better for it just to work and be functional rather than you be pushing a limit It is the classic Apple verse like Android argument in that regard and I use Apple HomeKit It's a really good brain for it You could use Siri shortcuts do really in-depth automations and My partner who couldn't care less about that stuff She could open her iPhone go to the home app that she's never set up view the cameras turn off the lights do all this stuff without this me having to like debrief her over like 10 lessons.

1:13:55That's really helpful. Brett, before we send you off back into the world to do your actual job. This is my actual job. He could have posted like eight or nine different videos in the time of being on this. As a home automation guy, there's a new thread modem or is a new modem that has the thread protocol. Are we not excited about this new modem? We are. So there's a few things to be excited about the new modem. But with Thread specifically, Thread is already integrated in most people's smart homes through their HomePods or other hub devices. Thread's very common. The reason it is exciting is because it's an easier entry point for people to get into more advanced smart home automations without needing to buy all of these hub devices.

1:14:38It'll bridge you there. So unless, I mean, I don't know, maybe there's going to be, I like to think that they might be able to use that Thread radio for other sorts of communication for things that aren't necessarily smart home, like Interactive. Maybe that's what interacts with the new AirTag that comes out in two years and brings a bunch of functionality. But really, it's not like we're getting anything new. It's just bringing more accessibility to people that might want to get in a smart home. That's such a good point. I've been so curious why Apple is so stoked on announcing that they make a modem now.

1:15:06It is cool. It is cool. It's just a flex. Even amongst our office of nerdy techie people, I think at least half of our office does not know that modem is an abbreviation. let alone know that what a modem is or what it does or why they should care. And so the fact that they're putting it in like a flagship event, I'm still just like, who? I guess it's for the door. Andrew, what is modem short for? I was just going to say, I don't think anyone knows what a modem is short for. It's literally been a trivia question on the podcast. Yeah, and how many people got it right? Apparently not yet. It's short for modulator, demodulator.

1:15:43Oh. Interesting. Cool. I was like, do you really care? Even the modem guy is like, oh, you know? Like, anyway, that's my rant. I don't know. Good rant. I do like the idea that they're adding the threads capability so that they can have more flexibility in the future for, like, wireless stuff. Yeah, that's my assumption. I have one more home question for you, which is that for the past few years, I've been seeing lots of unexpected companies like Comcast put out all of these research papers into using Wi-Fi to create these mini-map sort of things that you're talking about, like doing person location detection.

1:16:24I am not technical enough to understand these papers. Yeah. If what you're talking about is how you could basically use Wi-Fi to see through walls, is that the TLDR of what you're talking about? What I've been reading is that Comcast has these, and a few other companies have been filing patents about using the existing router you have in your house to know exactly where you are standing in a room. Yeah, so there, another very deep rabbit hole. So there's two things that they could be talking about there. One is just pinging the device based on the signal strength. So you're carrying your phone.

1:16:56If the modem's in the bedroom, or router's in the bedroom, and it's a really strong signal, you're in the bedroom. There's this other really crazy, I don't know much about it, I know a few people who do, where it basically uses the Wi-Fi signal, kind of like a radar where and it could see through walls and you could actually map people and objects in rooms so there's DIY projects so you take an old router take it apart and use it it almost looks like a thermal camera when you're looking around and it's it's not like a two-way signal but when it blasts the wi-fi signal out it's such a strong wavelength that it can detect like kind of the density that it's going into and you could like effectively map out someone's home.

1:17:37Brett, this has just been fantastic. Yeah. It was fun. Thanks for yanking me. Thanks for coming. Thanks, Brad, for saying we should talk to you. Boy, was he right. Brad, the gift that keeps on giving. I'm pretty sure Adam probably subscribed to every one of your platforms in the middle of that. I'm very excited to see it. Before we send you off into the wilderness of Cupertino, where can people find you so they can learn more about these really interesting things that you've been talking about? Brett.tech on TikTok. That's so easy. TikTok and Instagram. I got an underscore after there. I'm working on it, but it's a tough battle to fight.

1:18:09But brett.tech underscore on Instagram. Cool. Brett, thank you so much. If you're ever in New Jersey, you know who to call. Yeah, sit down and grab the mic. And if you want to jump on for a minute. Hi, so what are we doing? Dude, you're looking at it. We're doing waveform man on the street asking people. You'll have to share the microphone. We'll figure it out. Sorry. No, no, don't be sorry. That's Alice's fault. We watch you all the time. This is iconic. Nice to meet you guys. Welcome to the show. For those just tuning in, we have found three more fun guests to join us. What are each of your names?

1:18:47My name is Adi. We're all from here, so I was going to say I'm from here. Yeah, I'm Manan. Just recently graduated from UC Berkeley. Congrats. And do you want to move the mic over so we can? A lot closer to your house. Ishan. Ishan? Yeah. Awesome. Dude, it's great to meet all of you. Thanks for stopping in. This is something we're doing a little different because Marquez and David and Brandon are inside with events. We didn't get passes, so we figured we'd grab some people, journalists or people wandering around and see what they thought of the event. So, yeah, you said you live around here. You guys watch the event, though, right?

1:19:20Yeah, we were in the visitor center. They played on a little TV. Oh, really? It plays Apple TV promos. Not on the big screen. Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay, that's pretty cool. Yeah, just put the mic. Oh, sorry. Whoever's, no, no, it's totally fine. Whenever you're talking, put it next to you and that'd be great. Okay, so you guys are all from the area. Do you watch these events every year? Generally, yeah. And sometimes I see my house from the Skycam. Really? Yeah. That's awesome. No kidding. That's really cool. Yeah, I see a local boba joint across the street. I walk through sometimes. It's fun. How do you feel like this year's event compared to previous September events?

1:19:51Do you have any opinions? I have some opinions. I don't want to. Yeah. I mean, I feel like on my end, it felt like, you know, sort of minor improvements. Obviously, I think it's been very incremental over the past few years. For sure. And I think, I mean, I'm interested in the 17 just because I have a current as a 12. And so I was looking to upgrade. And, you know, I'm hitting up the five-year limit. I wanted that bigger battery, you know, bigger battery, better storage. I'm very excited about the 256 base. I think that they, like, did they say it or was it just, like, on the screen? I think that's one of them.

1:20:22I think they said it. Okay. They might have verbalized it. Pixel needs to do that. I'm so mad that I had to upgrade to 256 on a Pixel. Oh, yeah. I'm very excited. I mean, I'm at 64 and I'm running out of storage. Me too. I have to clear up my phone every week and I'm like, I don't have time. I'm a busy person. Yeah, and then also, does your keyboard mess up all the time because you're from storage? Oh, for sure. Yes, dude. Yes, finally. This is a support group now for iPhone 12. Okay, well, so this is now us, Justin. So now that you know we both need a new phone, the people have made that very clear for me at least.

1:20:55What are you going to upgrade to? Yes. I mean, I think for me, we were just diving deep into the specs differences between the 17 and the 17 Pro. It seems like the differences aren't even that big, especially it's such a game changer with ProMotion on the 17, 256 base, you know, all of these other features and Apple intelligence support. But for me, I think one of the patterns I noticed is with Apple Intelligence, we saw between the 15 and the 16, the 15 immediately got phased out. So the base iPhone model versus the Pro. So I'm concerned that in the future, if that happens to the base 17, there's a new LLM or, you know, different types of models that are running.

1:21:36How does that affect the performance as well as the RAM, right? Base iPhone 17 has eight gigs of RAM versus 12 on the Pro. So how does that affect, you know, the actual performance and the ability for it to be, you know, supported? That's a really great point. Assuming we do ever get Apple intelligence. Like the official. Yeah, the official. Right. No, I feel you. Watching the event, for months, I've been like, the iPhone Air is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. And then they got to the thing at the event, and I was like, I need one. It's pretty cool. It looks very cool. Phones are nice.

1:22:13slim phones are nice I mean you've held it I've held it battery's not great on this one already really? it's 4400 mAh and a big bright screen it's less bright than the 6 actually do you find yourself for audio listeners what phone is it? it's the Galaxy Fold 7 I've had every Fold since the 3 just kind of stacking upgrades I used to work at the Costco right across from Google headquarters and he did as well my friend over there um selling phones uh so yeah i kind of stacked it uh and i actually i'm i'm controversial i liked the slightly thinner cover screen i like the tv remote kind of because i'm such a one-handed guy and then if for me if i have two hands i open it up but i get i get why this is the the more slightly wider is more appealing to people for sure yeah no i totally get that too no i thought the iphone era was super interesting by like stacking everything in the plateau and basically leaving the entire body for just battery, which is still probably going to be all day.

1:23:13I think the rumor was 2 ,800 milliamp hours. It's always that fun thing where we never know what it is until someone has to rip it over. They just don't have numbers. It's also missing a GPU core, even though it has the pro chip. Yeah, it has five GPU cores. You guys watched this better than we did, and you watched it in a public place. They looked at the website. Oh, okay. Yeah, we were deep diving, and we were always nerding out on these features. So you guys, what did you study at Berkeley? Computer science and data science. And are you all in tech? Is that sort of where we're at? I'm business management economics.

1:23:42Well, I want to do product marketing mainly for tech because, you know, growing up near Apple Park, which used to be HP when I was growing up, it kind of, I don't know if I grew to love tech or I grew in tech culture, so I grew to love it, kind of not by choice, but I like tech. Yeah. And then, oh, yeah. I'm in the, I'm still in school. I'm spending some time in film. Awesome. I have a 16 Pro and I'm enjoying it because it's meant for kind of like a film student kind of focus. I know. The ProRes and all those extra features. I bet the new iPhone video is better than the cameras I was shooting with when I went to film school.

1:24:26I would not be surprised. The only thing that really draws me to the Pro is I have this collection of really old dinky cameras that I like because they look really nice, but it's not like pro quality footage. And I keep telling myself I need to invest in like a real camera that I can use for like professional work. And I'm like, what if I just got an iPhone Pro? That would be fine. You work with Marques. This guy, yeah. You work with Marques and all the camera people. You have the best cameras. When I do need a camera, I will usually just steal one from the office. but it would be nice eventually to own my own but until then until then yeah i will be just taking we're not oh my god well so i was curious if you guys were in tech because when you brought up promotion yeah i was a little surprised and i'm sort of curious if you think the average the average person who's like not buying an iphone pro is just buying like a base iphone will they even notice 120 hertz uh my mom has a flip seven and she turns off and and the flip five and the flip four and the flip three and i've made her turn off high refresh rate because she doesn't notice and it just makes the battery a bit worse.

1:25:34She doesn't notice? Okay. Yeah. But I mean, like, she needs the largest font size. So, like, very nice. But, like, yeah. I mean, that's where she got the 7 because even the slightly larger cover screen helps with the slightly bigger font. Like, it actually makes it usable for her so she can, like, read her messages on the front now versus 5 is a little bit of a struggle. I think, like, all of us are really happy that we can finally say the iPhone base doesn't have 60 hertz anymore. but I do think to a certain point is like most people won't even notice. Yeah. I'm thinking back to the heritage of high refresh rate Android phones.

1:26:06And I think one of the first ones was like the Razer phone. Really? Probably. Yeah. They bought, yeah, the Razer one. And cause they bought next bit. Remember next bit? They bought next bit. Like 16 gigs of storage on the phone. This was probably pre-ellis and he didn't really care about Android phones, but yeah. And it was terrible. And then they actually made some reasonable upgrades in like the Razer phone too. But yeah. And then it still just wasn't, yeah. That was just kind of, seeing the 120 hertz on the bass model kind of reminded me of how long it's been. And it's nice to see that. For sure.

1:26:38Next guest, Michael. Okay, you did watch the event, right? Yes. And you thought it was awesome, you said? It was pretty cool. Cool. What was your favorite part of it? I think I like the AirPods and the iPhone 17. What did you like most about the AirPods? I do like the workout feature and the blood pressure. The blood pressure, or the heart rate monitor. and yeah yeah yeah cool do you you have an apple watch though so are you interested in using that possibly without your apple watch or possibly okay yeah um but i'm i love wearing my watch um it just because it just feels like it's part of me and so you know i sleep with it and everything so cool i've been hearing that a lot that like the it feels a little redundant to have heart rate in the in the airpods i could see it for people if they're not wearing like i feel like you know now with airpods and with rings we're finding ways that you can get the benefits of a watch and if you're a watch person you can wear a real watch i i've been really wanting to go back to wearing a real watch instead of my uh cereal box on my wrist i've got really small wrists so i think it looks i think it looks really weird on me but um so i was really stoked because i i the rings did not really seem like me so i i guess i'm kind of excited oh brandon's calling me oh is Yeah.

1:27:52Brandon, you know who Brandon is. I'm going to hang up on him now. Yeah. We're live. Sorry, we'll come back. No, no, no. All right, what was your favorite thing? Or actually, before you tell me about your favorite thing about the new iPhone, what phone are you using right now? I'm using the iPhone 12 right now. 12, okay. You're the second 12 user. I haven't upgraded yet, but I want to upgrade. I just don't have the money yet. Sure. Same. I mean, everything's expensive, which is definitely tough. But I think it's cool when people wait a while because then the upgrade feels so much better. My dad has the iPhone 16.

1:28:33Okay. A few weeks ago, he just got it and he loves it so much. Okay. He just got it a couple weeks ago? Yeah. So he just missed a price drop? I mean, he didn't know when the 17's came out. That's fair. It's fine. I think I just found a new Marques tweet, like a yearly Marques tweet. In August, he just needs to tweet, do not buy an iPhone for the next six weeks. You have time. You have six weeks, and then it will be$100 cheaper. Yeah, that's super fair. So what do you think you're going to upgrade to? Which model? If I had to choose to buy an iPhone, I would probably pick the Pro. Okay. The 17 Pro, because I feel like it's pretty good.

1:29:19with like cameras and all that stuff. I do like the center stage. And I feel like, because I love taking photos and with the pro res and all that stuff, I think it would be pretty great. Pretty helpful. Yeah. Do you like the new, or what do you think of the design language and the orange color? I actually like the orange color. It's pretty unique. I love it. I think both of us are team orange right now. Who's anti-orange? Oh, actually, I like most of us. I think everyone we've talked to so far has not liked the orange either. Lame. But yeah. And what about the, like, you like the plateau and everything?

1:30:02It's a pretty big visual change, even though it's really not that different. It's pretty cool looking. I like the design on it and the way it looks different from a different iPhone. Sure. I think I like the more I think about it I like the plateau because it adds symmetry in a way that makes it feel more like a console or like like some sort of like uh like a pixel you mean it kind of feels like uh do you remember project aura the like fake design phone where it was like supposed to be modular and everything was in squares like now that it has the like you know the whole squircle or rectangle like across the top and it has the like matte finish around where Like, it feels segmented and, like, evenly.

1:30:47The only thing is, is I don't think it's actually going to be lay down flat and not wobble because there's still the camera bumps protruding out of the protrusion. No, and the air is going to be even more heinous. Yeah. I think. I don't know. We'll see. Wobbly. All phones are now, I guess. Yeah. Not my Pixel. Have you always been an iPhone user? I've been always an iPhone user. I sort of an iPhone 5C. Okay. What color? Green. Yes. Good color choices. I like it. Yeah. Um, and then, uh, oh yeah. Since you've always been an iPhone user though, if you had to pick an Android phone to use right now, what would you pick?

1:31:28Maybe the pixel 10 pixel 10. Yeah. Or the pixel fold. The pixel folds. Yeah. Okay. Um, I think that's the hardest part about this event for me is I know I also have a 12 mm. I feel your pain brother. But I don't like I want I need to upgrade my phone is is dying. It's cannibalizing itself. Yeah, but I Really want a folding iPhone. Yeah, I just want to wait And I clearly can't and I don't know I don't know how to broach this with my bank account

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1:33:33See Associate for details. Contiguous US only. And we're back on the street with another guest. Can you tell us your name? My name is Jack. Jack. Hi, Jack. Did you watch the event? I have not. You have not watched the event. Awesome. And I also heard you have no idea who we are. Right. Perfect. That is so fun. I'm MKBHD. You know MKBHD. Okay, perfect. So you know our... That's fine. I don't know who we are either, but I don't know MKBHD. Yeah. This is awesome. First, tennis jersey. Yes. Alcaraz or Sinner? Alcaraz. Bad answer, but we're cool. I like his answer. But you look like Sinner. That's why I like him.

1:34:15Really? Is that a compliment or not? No, it's a compliment. Okay, cool. He's really handsome. No, I like Sinner because he makes weird trick shots look really, really easy. And things that would be disrespectful in most contexts just look so natural when he does them. yeah that's effortless exactly exactly and i i can't get enough of it but enough about tennis are you sure well yeah we we can't talk about this this is a real podcast all right what phone do you have right now iphone um 15 okay just a regular 15 until you 15 pro okay you did not watch the event are you thinking though of upgrading this year or anytime soon yeah definitely Yeah.

1:34:59Have you heard any rumors or anything about what, sorry, there's a guy with a Vision Pro in front of me right now. I know, I've seen him too. And it really distracted me. I was not expecting that. I saw it too. Is it dead? No, it's not. Have you heard any rumors or stuff about the new one that came out? You missed the event. Wait, no, this is actually the program opportunity. What would the new iPhone 17 Pro have to have to convince you to upgrade? It's a great camera. Better camera. Okay, what does better mean? like higher resolution. Okay. It does not have that. No, yeah. And you would be looking at the Pro, right?

1:35:33Yeah, Pro. Okay. Yeah, I don't think there's that much. What if it was super thin? Yeah, what if it was like crazy thin? That's the Pro though. Oh, yeah, we're talking about the Pro. Here's a question. Do you take a lot of video? Yes. Does your phone ever overheat when you're taking video? Yes, the Pro one does. Okay. Would a new cooling feature that potentially, we haven't tested this yet, helps with overheating in video mode? Would that convince you to upgrade? Yeah. Okay. For sure. You might be pretty excited when you watch the event later. I think that's... What about... Do you like the color orange?

1:36:06Oh, yeah. Because I graduated from University of Illinois. Okay. Oh. Oh. That's why Eric pulled you. Eric, can you hear that? University of Illinois. Okay, there we go. Really? Urbana. Okay, nice. Yeah, engineering? Yes. Nice. Sweet. I'm from Illinois. Oh. All of my friends let's do that. Eric is also... Can I show you a photo of the orange iPhone? I need to look up all the new... Are you okay seeing the new iPhone for the first time on a podcast you've never heard of and telling us if you like it or not? Yeah. Okay, cool. Oh, Marques took a picture of it, right? Yeah, it's on his story. So have you seen what the new design changes are like at all?

1:36:49Well, I've seen some rumors, like some pictures of the Pro. Okay. They have like the wallet. It looks like the wallet's attached to it almost already. And that they're calling it the plateau is the big camera bump. So this is the new orange of the Pro. Do you like that or no? Yeah, I like it. Kind of like Hermes. Hermes? They do a lot of Hermes. I thought it was really funny how much they're doing Hermes stuff still, but they refuse to do leather anymore, which is kind of like their whole shtick. But cool. So do you, what do you think of the new design language on everything now that you're seeing?

1:37:25Because like, we're never sure if rumors are actually going to happen, but this is what it is. Yeah, I think like they widened the top edge, right? So it will not like, if you sit on the phone, like it will not be like. Like wobbling. I still think because it still has camera bumps on top of that. So there might be a little less, but I think there'll still be a little bit. It seems like they're, one of the things they mentioned in the events before the air ends this is that they're packing a lot of stuff into that, that bump and trying to use that space to increase like battery size and like add other internals into there.

1:38:00So, right. What would it take to get you to switch to Android? I will never switch to Android. If you had to, is there an Android phone you would ever consider? If you're forced to. Yeah, Huawei. Huawei? Which Huawei? You don't know any of them? That's okay. I heard they have like good cameras. A lot of them are really awesome. The just most annoying thing is like not being able to get a Play Store. But like I think a lot of people in our world would be using Huawei phones if we could use them. Yeah. I mean, I haven't used the current generation of Huawei phones. I've only used like a few behind.

1:38:39And it's funny that you bring up the camera because the cameras do feel really nice and they have lots of really interesting features. but they also have such a look to them. They feel very sharp, but not oversaturated like a lot of Android. I don't know. It's funny that the Huawei cameras are what you brought up. I don't know. Everybody in China is using Huawei. Oh, yeah. Yeah, because they're nasty. Freaking awesome. Are you going to go watch the event afterwards or are you just to read about stuff, watch YouTube videos on it? Yeah, I will watch it. Watch the whole event? Yeah. It's cool. I feel like it's, have you seen any ones in the past?

1:39:17And like, have you watched the events in previous years? Yeah, I used to watch live. Excuse me, sorry. This one felt very slow to me. This was a very incremental upgrade year. Yeah. Just despite some like design language changes, which visually looks really cool. Well, it has been several years and they like do the incremental improvements. Yeah. Yeah, nothing felt super wow-y. but a lot of like things where if you're you said 15 you're on right now, right? 16, two generations like there probably will be some nice it probably won't be a huge difference we've talked to multiple people who are still using 12 so those people upgrading will probably feel it a lot more but yeah but it doesn't make sense to upgrade every year no, I totally agree all right, welcome back we're back with Kavi because I when he said he studies aviation thought he meant engineering and I didn't realize he's in flight school.

1:40:10And many of you have been asking me to do an audio-only episode, like about audio stuff for years. It's not going to happen. But we are about to do the plane segment. Because this is Ellis' other passion. Airplane. Checking out. I have no idea what's going on. Kavi, tell me more about what it's like to be in flight school. Well, I was just talking to him about how we use iPads. I was going to ask that. Yeah. We use an app called ForeFlight for navigation, like performance computations. Is it iPad minis or like full-blown iPads? So I use the 11-inch Pro for the brightness. I think a lot of people would want like as stupid as it sounds a mini Pro just for the brightness.

1:40:49Totally. I mean all of us would love that and I've that's interesting to see one other person outside the tech. Yeah. You know of us trying to cram everything and everything wanting it. But that doesn't make sense because they they promoted the mini for like flight stuff pretty hard. A couple years ago, right? Okay, cool. So do you have to hotspot it or are you downloading all the maps locally and the GPS works all up there? So we get the cellular iPads, but we don't connect like a cellular plan to it. It's just because those ones have the GPS or something in it. And then we download all the, I guess, materials we need before we fly.

1:41:22And then in the cockpit, it just shows us where we are and we go based off of that. I guess that makes sense. Because even on my watch, like my Garmin watch, you can just download offline maps and it does a pretty good job at telling where you are. Obviously, flying is a lot different than that. When I finally upgraded from my free open source flight simulator to Microsoft Flight Simulator, the newest one, and they switched from having a Logitech thing in the cockpit to the fake iPad on the side with fake ForeFlight, I was like, I'm still getting used to it. You can connect actual ForeFlight to Microsoft Flight Simulator.

1:41:59I've done that You look so lost right now I use the open source ForeFlight clone I'm trying to remember what it's called Open Maps? Andrew what's it called? I have it on my computer which is not here But I use it because I'm really bad at remembering Airport codes And runway numbers And all the things that I need to actually do a flight plan I also don't fly real planes Fun fact Yeah, that's it. What are you flying right now? Cessna 172. Classic? Yeah. Sweet. Are you planning on becoming an airline pilot? Is that the ultimate goal? Either airline or corporate. Recently, I've been swayed over more to the corporate side of aviation.

1:42:40There are a lot of benefits to that. There's one guy I just recently met. He's a pilot for Netflix. He's a senior at San Jose State, actually. And his work-life balance sounds really good. Yeah, I've heard it's a good gig. And then also you get to fly really exciting airplanes. Actually, I don't know. I would assume Netflix owns really large airplanes. And corporate jets in general just fly higher and go faster. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And you need more exciting ratings that sound way cooler than jet. I guess a jetliner rating is also pretty cool, like being responsible like that. I don't know. Way cool.

1:43:18Yo, you're not going to believe this. We were just like hanging out here doing a podcast. And some guy just walked in. And some guy just appeared. And I feel like, I feel like, oh, look who, Marquez. Not at all. Pull up a chair. Where do I sit? Literally anywhere. Can you say your name and what you do for a living? Oh. Oh, yeah, I can. Would you like me to? Hi. Okay, we'll just share this, yeah. This is a little impromptu. Yes. So we've been out here all day. Imprompt three. Imprompt three. David's here now. That's right. Brandon's over there, too. I don't know if you know who Brandon is Marquez.

1:43:55How's your day been inside Apple Park? Really good I have like 10 minutes before my next brief. Yeah, you know what they do They just stack our media. All right, let's let's like let's let's speed run through this obviously the first thing we got to talk about is Live translation on the new air pods How is it? Haven't tried it because it doesn't exist literally about to try it. Oh, really? Yeah. Damn. All right. Well demo Yeah, but I'm not allowed to talk about it. So are you serious? Yeah, really? But you can tell me about it Which means it's bad. At Embargo, I can tell you. Which means it doesn't work.

1:44:24We'll talk about it if you expect. We don't talk about anything at the studio until Embargo hits. That is true. That's true. Next question. Yeah. Orange. In person. What's the vibe? Horrible. It's bright. Horrible? I thought it looked in person because I don't want to show you pictures. I think it's worse. I want to tell you it's saturated. It's a little bit more than the Halloween dull orange of a pumpkin that we might have expected. And I'm just more bummed that there's no neutral dark. Like, it's blue or silver. I want a black eye for it. The dark blue is okay though. It's okay. Yeah. But no black.

1:44:56Yeah. No space gray, no space black, nothing. Isn't that crazy? Because that's like the most popular color of phone is black. Yeah, but the pros are colorful now. We got to get with the times. Pros are allowed to have fun. Michael Fisher is happy. Yeah, pros are allowed to have fun. We don't just have to suffer in our studios. Pros just want to have fun as they say. That's going to be the title of the, I don't know. Either that or Orange is the New Black. I think that's - That's what I keep hearing. This is crazy! The guy who doesn't watch any TV or movies just out-referenced all of us. And we've been talking about it all day.

1:45:25It's not just that. It's this dude just comes out and instantly out-seos. Okay, Marquez, we've got to stay on topic, though, because you've got to be somewhere to be. The air. We've got to talk about the air. You put it in your hand. You held it. How does it feel, you guys? I loved it. Similar to the S25 Edge. You see it in person. You see the videos and everything, and it looks kind of cool. Wow, they made a thin one. And then you hold it, and it's really thin and light, and you're like, that's very impressive. That's what we all thought about, the S25 Edge, and then put it away, and no one's touched it since.

1:45:54It's true. And you know what? I'm making a short about this, and I'm going to say it in the video. It is a worse phone than the other phones. Okay? It is going to have only one camera. It's going to have—it has to have worse battery life. There's no way it doesn't have way worse battery life. Much worse. eSIM only. A couple other things are a little bit lesser. So ProMotion, it's a Pro chip with one less GPU for it. It's going to be a fine phone. That was so wild to me that they put the Pro chip in the thin phone. Yeah, I'm not sure why they did that. That's crazy. I'm stoked. They said it was more efficient than the regular chip.

1:46:21Yeah. Which is wild. Okay. So maybe that's why, I guess. Yeah, and then ProMotion is more efficient than 60 hertz. They kind of needed it, right? Yeah. So that makes sense, but it's just, yeah, you hold it, and you're just like, wow. I mean, the soft touch on the back and the way it's curved around the sides, it feels really good. Totally. It really does feel good. It is one of those things where I'm like, is this a gimmick or, you know? It is. Just to be clear. I mean, it is. Well, okay. So I'm going to make, this is a whole video idea I've been working on, and it's maybe a separate video. Maybe it's the air review.

1:46:52Yeah. But you either believe that this is just a one-off, we tried something new and made a thin phone thing, or you believe genuinely in your heart that this is how thin that phones are all going to be in a couple of years. Can I hit you with a third option? It's the foldable. It's the folding. It's one half of the fold. They needed to work on the internals of the foldable to be thinner, so that's why they made this phone. It's like they made the thinner Z Fold 7 like three months after they made the Edge. Yeah, this is true. I think that they just needed to get the internals thinner. Yeah, totally fair.

1:47:25And they did say they had some lines they snuck in about how like this phone needs Apple Silicon to do what it does. And that's why you have this N1 chip. Yeah, N1. C1X. NC1X built into N1 and then obviously A19. So there's all these little things that are like, oh, we finally can make a phone this thin. That doesn't suck. Yeah. And they said they had a couple lines about a more dense battery. We'll see. There's just no way it's I asked them about the battery and they said it's not that it's like a more dense technology. It's just physically larger. I mean, yeah, they crammed more of the components into that.

1:47:59All the components are right. The chips and speakers, all the camera front and back facing camera are all in that. They just said like it's the same like it's the same battery technology. It's just a bigger physical battery. Yeah, we've got to kind of wrap it up. Can I flip something? on Ellis' head right here now. I have a trivia question for both of you that I'm not going to be a part of. I met someone really awesome before who does short form content at 2.30. We asked him since the event started, how many videos has he released? Price is right rules. Price is right rules. You both have a guess.

1:48:28Oh my God. How many has he posted? 12. Since the start of the event. My guess is 12. 12. I'm going over. I saw some people doing just reels of moments of the keynote. And I think with that, you could easily stack up 10 to 12 and then like products afterwards could be 10. So I'm going to go with 20. Very close. 25. Yeah. 25? I believe you. He was super interesting too. I can't wait until you guys see what his stuff was. That's so crazy. Because you have somewhere to be. We're going to tape another podcast tomorrow, which is actually going to come out before this in the Apple Podcast Studio. I just want to say, this has been a breath of fresh air.

1:49:10It's so great to have you on this beautiful outdoor set. You too, David. This has just been fantastic. This has been Waveform on the Street version one. You heard it here first. I'm so glad I made it. And we'll see you. Oh, yeah. Guest number one. Guest number one. Guest number one. Appreciate that. Yes. We will be back for our normal episode this Friday, unless this won't come out on a Friday, so I can say that. and yeah see you in the next one see you in the next regularly scheduled episode I'm going to do it this time

1:50:01who's your favorite? say it hard cut Mariah. It's definitely Mariah. Miles. Miles? Yes.

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