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34:20It's still big. Yeah, 0.1 in the screen. I do like, I dig the curved edges kind of more than the regular Pixel does. So like, I kind of like that. It is a little curvier. It has a different aesthetic. I wish it was a bit smaller. I also really quickly want to say with the small phone being dead, there's a lot of people who are like, the Zenfone 10 and the S24 are basically the same phone. I saw that. But holding both of them, the Zenfone feels smaller. Like I went from Zenfone 10, sorry, to the S24 and it felt like a chunkier phone. Yeah. It does have way more screen. Like the screen size doesn't fully because the Zenfone 10 had bigger bezels.

34:54Yeah. And you get more out of it. And I love it now, but I think the Zenfone's a smaller phone. I think that was an underrated thing about the Zenfone. Yes, it's roughly close to the same footprint as the S24, but the fact that the display was actually a bit smaller meant that you could reach the corners easier. Reaching easier. It felt smaller in the hand. If I put both of them in your hand with your eyes closed and you didn't feel like the camera bumps or discerning features, like it'd be like the Zenfone feels like a smaller phone. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so yeah, this to me, 8a suggests two things at least.

35:25One, it's going to be more expensive than the 7a, right? I think it has to be. I wonder this because the Pixel 8 recently dropped to under$500. Like not officially on sale. And it's like, it's late enough since the launch that you can lower it to that price. But then if you launch the A-Series and it's the same price or more expensive, that doesn't make any sense. Did the A-Series go up last year or is that the year before? By$100, I think. It would be rough if it went up again after. Yeah, it's going up from 1 ,000 to 1 ,400 nits. It's going up from 90 hertz to 120 hertz. It's going up from Tensor G2 to G3.

36:03It's going up in screen size. It's going up in everything. Not screen size. Same screen size. Oh, same 6.1? Yeah, 6.1. But yeah, it's going up in a bunch of things. It would be nice if it's the same, what,$500 starting price? But I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I hope so. I'm sure nothing would love if it went up so they could be the$350 phone that feels better there. I don't know. I would guess you said it went up$100 last year. I think$50. It went to$499. And I think it was, I think the 6A was$399. 6A launched at$449. Okay. So it went up$50. Yeah. And then it went up another, it originally started the A series at 350, right?

36:44Yeah. How long were we? Well, at least the 4A was 350, I remember. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. If it went up, it's at 499 now. Yeah. If it went up again from that. That would be insane. That would be, yeah, that'd be too much. Because I remember the Pixel 8 was, what, 699? Yeah. Starting? Yeah, I really don't. Was it 599? No, I think it was higher. The, wait, which one? Eight. Oh, the Pixel 8? i thought it did go i think it went up by a hundred dollars oh 699 okay it's very confusing when all this mashes together after a while i forgot about that because there's a 300 gap between the pixel 8 and the 8 pro because the 7 started at 599 599 which was great that was like one of the best deals ever in smartphone history i feel like it's all flooding back yeah so so yeah the the base pixel a great deal the pro 300 more dollars hard to justify but the other thing i was implies is that the pixel 8 has to have even more than the 8a so if we're talking 14 9 sorry pixel 9 so if we're talking 1400 nits 120 hertz you know tensor g3 then what is pixel 9 i mean the iphone is 2000 nits right yeah i think it'll probably be 2000 nits yeah will it be 1440 will it be higher refresh rate well what other things will be better i'm sorry extra camera samsung added QHD to the regular S24.

38:06So they could easily do that. Yeah, so stuff like that. To the regular S24 or the S24 Plus? The Plus. I think just the Plus. The Space is 1080, but they added QHD to the Plus. Got it. So that's the other thing I'm thinking, like, okay, what is the higher-end Pixel gonna have and what is the price gap gonna be between all three phones in the lineup? Again, wow. $699 versus$999 to go Pixel 8 to Pixel 8 Pro and get a telephoto and not a ton else is tough. That could be an interesting comparison, though, where if you considered the 8A, the S24, the 8, the S24 +, and the 8 Pro, the 24 Ultra, that is a similar lineup where you get the jump in screen resolution.

38:53You get a bunch of new things. Fair. So here's the awkward thing. Google is currently selling the Pixel 8 for$499. on their website. So that's the thing about timing. Like when this phone comes out, we're expecting it around Google I.O., right? Yeah. Like May, June, something like that. A month and a half from now. So will it be smart to buy this new phone and get maybe some more years of software updates or will it be smart to buy the old flagship, which is already the price we're expecting? For the same price. But will Google do the thing we're so used to them doing where when they release this, they also show something at I.O.

39:27that's locked software-wise into the 8.0 for some reason and then won't be available till the nine. And that is the difference between them. Also, and this is crazy. Currently on the Google store, you get$200 off. And if you join Google Fi, you get$500 back in Google Fi credits. So you basically get the phone for free if you buy and join Google Fi. Yeah. Carrier deals are always like some, I'm sure, I know they're winning. I'm not the one winning with the carrier deal. But yeah. It is super awkward that there's a lot of deals like that and it's gonna be around the same price. Will it go up when the 8A comes out?

40:06I doubt it. But it is super weird that the A comes out like six months after the regular one because just the life cycle of phones. I agree. Phones get so much cheaper so fast. Like within two months of being launched, there's already a$200 off deal somewhere. I feel like I've always said it should just come out with the regular lineup. Yeah. as the it's it's also so weird watching like the cheaper quote-unquote worst phone coming out after the like flagship version of it being on the same yeah number yeah the numbers thing is weird it's very confusing it's weird they're on the 7a right now but the 8s have been out for half a year pull a samsung and just be like all right this is the pixel 24a yeah pixel x pixel x um yeah i wanted to bring up sorry i interrupted no go ahead because of the displayport output thing just because everyone always asks about Dex and a certain someone in this office started using Dex the other day.

41:03I wanted to know how it's going. I love it. I'm a Dex boy now. What does loving it mean? Tell me one thing you use it for. Writing scripts. Got it. Fully converted, right. Fully converted. I walk in in the morning, I drop my backpack by my desk. I just walk into our little gaming setup and plug in my phone, which has a monitor, has a keyboard, has a mouse already attached. And I just work there until everyone shows up, which is usually Andrew at like 830. I actually would like to see your deck set up. Yeah. Yeah. There was one interesting thing about this setup, though, which was you were using it on this like ultra wide monitor.

41:41And you said you had to download a specific thing for that resolution. And it still was like stretched on it. Because we have like an ultra, ultra wide monitor in there. It's like advanced wide. It's not just regular wide. It's like 6 by 24 wide. It's ridiculous. So there's an app you have to download, a separate app that you have to go into the settings to enable it to be like 4K widescreen, which is fine for most 4K widescreen monitors. We have this crazy behemoth in there. So even that wasn't wide enough. So everything's a little stretched. But when I go home and plug it into my desk at home, it's completely fine.

42:11Another use case for you while I'm on my Dex tirade now. Yesterday, we did a special interview episode. I'm not going to spoil it here. Dexter day. Dexter day. I was uploading all of the files, or I was importing all of the files to my computer. And it was like 5.15, 5.30, and I had to go home. It still said it had an hour to import. And then after that, I had to upload it to Dropbox, which I knew was going to take forever. So what I did was I just left my computer on. I went home, plugged in my Dex, remoted into my work laptop, and kept working from home. You could remote in from your Dex? I remoted in and started uploading from Dex.

42:49This is the future the nerds want. And then I started uploading the files to Dropbox, left it going overnight, came this morning completely good. That's crazy. Yeah. Huh. I know that you had mentioned to me that you were able to like, you had the phone connected and you took a picture and then you were able to just like upload it because it was text. Yeah, you could just use your phone. Yeah. Yeah, that's great. Very cool. Good use case. I did recently notice that Slack added a feature where if you upload a photo on your phone before you even hit send and it's uploaded, when you look on your computer, it'll have been there.

43:22The draft is there, which is really, really handy. Slack, as an Android user, Slack is my way of transferring pictures between my phone and my Mac. I used to use Telegram for that. Yeah. There's still, I mean, Nearby Share is better. It's not called Nearby Share. It's called Quick Share now, which is also a Samsung thing that now became a Google thing because of their weird relationship. That is getting better, but I still... Android just needs... It needs that seamless list that AirDrop has. Well, and I'm also doing it to a Mac computer, which makes it... That's the problem. Yeah. There is that hack that we made the shorts about where you can now quick share to a Mac and you can AirDrop to an Android phone with two different applications.

44:04Why need a hack when you can use a Slack? True. Wow. You should sell them. That would make a t-shirt. It's crazy that you just slacks new tagline. Someone get Salesforce on the phone right now. That helps after my horrible segue from earlier in the episode. You still need a segue. For this one? Like the mobility? Well, who's going to intro it? Speaking of... I like how the default segue is just like... I have it. Speaking of Google and Apple stuff working together yeah come on that's that's pretty good speaking of google and android stuff working together there are rumors of apple being in talks to let gemini power future iphone ai features which is fascinating because we had i have this whole thought that's been brewing for a while in a video i've been working on which is on all the ai stuff already happening versus how we expect Google and Apple to counter what's happening.

45:08Right. But also it's hard to ignore how bad Siri has been for so long. And does Apple even care to make Siri better when they've had this long to improve it and haven't done anything? And now to see this, it's like, oh, that kind of solidifies in my mind that Apple doesn't also care about Siri nearly as much as I was hoping. It is interesting because I feel like Transformers are the primary thing that really brought this new AI revolution to the forefront. And the thing that Transformers are the best at are natural language processing through contextual understanding. And that is the simplest, easiest possible thing to add to an assistant, which now Google doesn't want to just add it to the assistant because they're worried about it either not working.

45:51So now you got Gemini and you got Google Assistant, which you have to decide on which to use with your assistant button can now be the Gemini or it can be Google Assistant. And Gemini does some things that Google Assistant does, but not everything. And then Google Assistant can turn on your lights and that's about it. So it's kind of like, you know. It can open apps and do things like quickly and locally and all the former stuff. But yeah, it's weird. It's weird. But yeah, it seems like if Apple wanted to make Siri better with Transformer, Mario I think they would have done it by now. You would have thought that they would have done it by now?

46:24It is confusing, though, because the rumor when the Apple car got canceled was that a bunch of them were getting moved into like AI stuff, which I know doesn't. There's a million AI things they're probably doing. I have watched a bunch of videos recently about how Apple has been like quietly assembling like a huge huge ai lead without but they haven't just they just haven't released anything yet like for a few years now they've been acquiring small ai companies yeah but haven't we heard that about another company not about a lot of things apple does company well that's what we've been saying about google for years google is an ai company they always have i know but that same thing of like they've been they have this massive lead on everyone they just haven't deployed it yet and And then Gemini comes out and it's like, oh.

47:07I mean, Google always has had, like Google's been using Transformers since that paper was published in 2017. It's just that they weren't, like they didn't feel incentivized to actually make products using it until OpenAI scared the hell out of them. And I think Ellis is talking about, yeah, OpenAI and then like Bard. We were all talking about how Bard was maybe a little more like safe versus like OpenAI. The early stuff of just like absolute chaos. Bing just going crazy. Yeah, Bing just being like... Get me out of this hellscape. I miss Bing. There's also the part about Apple, because Apple does this all the time, too.

47:45They'll acquire a bunch of talent and secretly start working on something, and then nothing. Nothing happens. Just nothing. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's totally possible. The interesting thing with them using Google and Gemini is that Apple very rarely outsources anything. thing the biggest example of this obviously is google search which they have been paying google like three billion dollars a year vice versa sorry google's been paying google's been paying a billion or two billion yeah and i think apple definitely has a search engine that they could just press deploy on at any time right but they have done the calculus that google is probably going to be a better product and it just makes more sense to get paid by google than to have to deal with running a search engine on i was literally just going to ask that in this particular situation who's paying who i wanted to know that's exactly what i wanted to know it feels like the obvious is apple's paying google to use their thing but like any like google's paying apple to use google search as the default like do you know how great it is to be on that many iphones so so who is paying the most awkward i would guess that apple's paying google because the most awkward thing about this whole AI thing for Apple is that you need a crapload of training data and Google has all the world's information for training data and Apple's entire brand ethos is security.

49:04And your information staying locally on your device. And I would bet you that they don't have nearly as much access to information that they can just scrape to develop like large language models or any of the other types of stuff. So it makes a lot more sense for them to just license Google stuff. It's just wild that Apple would license anything good yeah it's it's also funny to think about who wins this deal because if you're google and you don't do this deal then you're like ha android phones have it and iphone doesn't have it therefore win for android phones but on the other hand you're like we want the whole world to use gemini we want everyone to find this to be the default and to prove that our lead in ai is actually worth something so we want every iphone user to use the gemini stuff so they also want it to be on the iPhone.

49:47So do they want it not on the iPhone or on the iPhone? Which hand's going to win here? I would say Google definitely wants it on the iPhone. I think they do want it. Yeah, but having search on the iPhone benefited Google because they were able to use everything they learned from iOS users. From Safari users. Yeah, because they made a crap load of money from... And infinite traffic. Gemini is not learning from iOS users. They already have their data. No, but if they're the foundational model for what most companies are using, I feel like that's a big lead for them. I think that's why David's saying that that's why Apple is probably paying Google because Google's not getting as much out of it if it's all locally stored stuff and they can't learn quite as much, right?

50:27That's what you're saying? So that's why that part does make sense. I would love to be a fly on the wall in that meeting with Tim and Sundar. I was like, hey. There was actually a photo that was going around. Do you know that really old photo of Tim Cook and Sundar Pachai having dinner in Mountain View or something? That went around recently again with a bunch of captions. Like, yes, we can now just... The funny one was like, how do we get Sam Altman fired a second time?

50:56Yeah, it's fascinating. It'll be interesting to watch this one. Yeah. The other interesting thing about this is that Apple is probably most likely developing a lot of AI-based stuff for local use on iPhones, but they need to outsource things that are cloud-based. And most of the cloud-based stuff is going to be like Gemini Ultra, that kind of stuff. Yeah, in the article it said like some features. So I'm interested how much this is going to take over, what we're going to see it in. If we'll see an announcement at WWDC this year, maybe that like the timing might make sense if we're getting leaks about it now.

51:28So maybe that's when we figure it out and seeing it in like iOS 18. I'm probably more excited for this WWDC than I have been for many, many WWDCs. There's been several WWDCs in a row where I'm like, this is the one where Apple will finally say something about AI. and then they're like autocorrect on the keyboard's better with AI moving on they didn't even say AI they said Transformers yeah they never say AI they never say you know GPT or anything like that but I just feel like this is another one where I'm like okay if Siri's gonna get better this is the one where it has to get better right I think so yeah I'll be watching there was a really there was a really interesting article about all of the stuff that's happened on the Siri teams and a bunch of like infighting and people just like having different ideas of which direction it should go and a huge reason why Siri has never gotten better is just because everyone that works on the Siri team is just cursed, apparently.

52:22Like, there's this weird internal, like, story about a Siri curse. Oh. So, yeah, I'll have to find that, but it's... Like a hex? Yeah. Yeah, like a hex. And a long-form episode was born. Actually, honestly, it's a great idea. It's a great idea. Yeah, I mean, last year at the WWDC, we got the Vision Pro, you know, but... Yeah, it'll be hard to top that one. Yeah, they just have to add group exercises, which they won't do. Which they won't do. That's all we care about. And I have a new theory as to why they won't do that, and you'll find out about that in April or May. Oh, please tell it to me off camera.

52:53I will. But yeah, very interesting, especially because apparently GPT-5, this just came out this morning, is only a few months away from deployment. We're not slowing down, are we? Yeah, I mean, I remember when GPT-4 came out, and everyone was like, when did GPT-5? When did GPT-5? And Sam Altman was like, y 'all, calm down. We're not really working on it right now. But I think now that there are a bunch of players in the market and everyone actually has to compete and all of the board members at OpenAI who are keeping it under control are gone. Sam Allman's like, let's go, baby. Send it right away.

53:28We're skipping five straight to six. GPT-24 coming out soon. No GPT-9, only GPT-X. Yeah. So he says it's a fairly substantial improvement. Not he says. The rumor says it's a fairly substantial improvement. Obviously, they're going to say that. But I do wonder what that means. I wonder if they make a multimodal AI similar to Gemini because no one else is really doing that right now. Was it? Oh, no. Who's the Sora interview that Joanna did where she asked what it trained with? It was Murati. If you haven't seen that interview, go watch it. It's hilarious. I love the memes that came out of that. It's very funny.

54:09Sorry, Damir. I'm sure she's a very wonderful person. There's a lot of photos of her. Joanna, again, not missing, though. You know how we have running bets on waveform? I would like to create one. Okay. Okay. I think when they get to GPT-10, they'll call it GPT-X. A hundred percent. I think that they will. They'll skip nine as well. I don't know about that, but I know that they'll call it GPT-X instead of 10. GPT-X. GPT-X. We can just put a pin in that for like six months later. Will it be called X, but don't say X? That's exactly what I was just going to say. OS X, but it's an X. They'll call it X.

54:42Or iPhone X, but it's an X. Because X sounds cool and people like X. Yeah, but X is taken now. Yeah, but GPT-X. Forever. Think about saying it out loud. Have you tried GPT-X? Yeah, that sounds cool. And then the next one will just be 11. And we'll be back to the regular numbers. But that moment will happen. What if they just do GPT, like when they stop doing... Wasn't it like iPad? It's just the iPad again? The thing is that the numbers don't really mean. Yeah, they don't matter. It's marketing. But they get the headline every time. Yeah. So they're going to keep the numbers going, I think. Yeah, all they have to do is say next number and significant upgrade.

55:17Because it's like Android number. Like every year it was like Android 5.0. You're like, dang, because we had 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, 4.4. When we got 5.0, it was like all the headlines would come out. And then we got more like smaller updates after that. Now we get a new update and it's like this could just be a.0.1. Yeah. There is very little changing here. But because it's a new version number, it's like, all right, headline it up. We'll talk about it. So they're going to keep the numbers, I think. And they got rid of the candy. Yeah, the sweets, the desserts, unfortunately. Speaking of dessert, it's quite a treat that you guys get to have some.

55:52Trivia

56:20Trivia what is it not chromium what is the engine that it's based on called so they're chromium based browsers like chrome yeah arc uh edge edge thank you well we'll we'll think about that one and uh we'll come back after the break be right back

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57:37what the other person is picking. So these are all real-time reactions to the stupid ideas that everyone has. I have exclusively great ideas. Okay. Mark has... That were exclusively taken from me. You want to go first then? Yeah, no, I've got nothing but bangers on this list. I've got a list too. So we can go through them kind of quick because mine are like item that I like, but thing that should be better about it. If that makes sense. Which is how it should be, right? Yeah. That's the game. Okay, here's my first one. Ready? Don't you dare. MX Master 2S or whatever we're on. 3. 3S. 3. S. But metal instead of plastic.

58:11Metal? Make it high quality. Isn't it rubber? It's already so heavy. Yeah, do you want it to be heavier? You can make it like a thin metal. True. Yeah. Interesting. I wouldn't hate that because I'm not gaming. I don't need it to be super lightweight. I don't need the super lightweight mouse. I just want it because it looks disgusting after like a year. That's true. And I think if it had like a nice carbon fiber or metal or something on the outside. Keyboards are already metal. Lots of keyboards have metal keys. Yeah, but you don't move the keyboard around like this all the time. That's fair. But when I edit, I'm not, I mean, I have this, the scroll wheel's great.

58:42Like, the mouse is great. I don't move it quickly that often. I just want it to be made of metal and not look gross. Interesting. Yeah. I like it. You can agree with me. It's great. It's a great, it's a banger. You can agree with me. I clean my MX Master with 90 % isopropyl and a paper towel, and it cleans up pretty well. I might try that. Does that strip anything off of the plastic? stuff come off it hasn't stripped it i've only done it a handful of times so i can't say whether super repeated use would begin to degrade the plastic but i'm gonna do that then yeah i would definitely use 90 too and not the 70 because that came from me looking at my mouse and being like i've taken like an mx master for like a top-down shot before and there's only like two in the studio that are not disgusting like with a red camera so okay that's totally reasonable you want to rotate around and do a bunch of other people?

59:35Sure. Can I go next? Yeah. Sure. Alright, so, hey everybody, Ellis here. So, this morning, got in the studio, went to take some screen recordings of the Apple Sports feature that I'm about to talk about, and they fixed it. I guess last night, or a few days ago, they fixed it. But now when you go on Apple Sports on iPhone Mini, it displays everything correctly. So I got to see just how bad my 76ers lost to the Suns last night. So yeah, pretty much ignore everything I'm about to say. The oldest supported iPhone is like six. You mean it's still getting updates? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That Apple is like, we support this device.

1:00:22You can reasonably own this. It's like six years ago. It's like iPhone X, XR, right? Ten. Damn. Right. Well, you said chat GPTX, skip nine. So let's not. There wasn't a ninth iPhone either. Yeah, there was more Windows version. You didn't say GPT10. You said GPTX. And well, yeah, it's also the 10th one. But we're. I'm just kidding. Anyway, what does support mean? Right. It means like if Apple puts out an app, if Apple puts out every time I go on a date, it's an official Apple app. It should work on all supported iPhones. Right. Yeah. Yeah, you would hope so. There's a lot of bad examples of that not being true.

1:01:01Well, here's one. Yeah. I'm a sports guy. I like sports. Sports fans. So I got Apple Sports when it came out. I was like, great, don't need to go to Google. I have an iPhone mini. It is literally unusable on an iPhone mini. Literally unusable, which sucks because it seems like such a great app. And when I say unusable, it's because when there's not enough space on the screen to display someone's name instead of doing like all the letters they can fit and then dot dot dot they just replace the entire word with dots so i open the box score of a basketball game and i see stats all the numbers no no i see all the numbers and nobody's name is listed so i have no idea who scored what or one oh my gosh can you click into it no that is the final landing page with literally no usable information i'm just i'm sure it's literally i'm assuming it's because my phone is narrower than most iphones so and they just literally assumed i guess they were like oh i only people who don't like sports own iphone i guess i don't know i mean there's lots of apps that are like that on an iphone mini that like oh the one button i need to press especially in safari you know which i understand if you're a web designer you're not doing it for this little iphone but come on apple like this is your app and your phone that's only like what three iphones old we need screenshots for sure oh no the screenshots are i think i put one in slack uh a little bit ago anyway that's my i've been mad about this since apple sports came out yeah if you have an iphone mini and like basketball tweet me i don't have twitter right now wait so your wish list is tweet tim cook instead yeah yeah so i can use the app i have a very obvious one that i don't know it's been added but it's also google so that tracks um google docs does not have block quote formatting and you have to use yeah what does that mean oh so you have to use uh increase in the increase indent function inside of Google Docs.

1:03:11But if you have a quote from a person and you want to show it that it's a quote, there's no block quote formatting option. That's so stupid. Which seems insane to me. This has been out forever. Can I say another Google piece of software or web-based thing that's messed up, but very obvious? Sure. Google Tasks inside of your Gmail. That sounds like anything I know. If you change the theme to any... I'm just in the black theme or dark mode theme and the Google Task is just bright white on the side of the screen. It's infuriating. That is a weird one. Google Task is one of those apps that they forget about for like four years at a time and then one random PM is like, oh yeah, we've got that.

1:03:51They update it like temporarily and then four years to go by again. Yeah, it's... Okay, along those same lines, I have another one. Okay. Google Keep, formatting in the notes. I love Google Keep. Doesn't do anything. It's either all check boxes or all text. You can't have an H2 and a paragraph. And really before you start yelling at me in the comments, I stand corrected. You can do it on Android. You can't do it on web or on iOS. That's even weird. It's so weird. I don't know. So like if I'm trying to make a grocery list and I want to like put the name of the grocery store and then a list of the items I need from that grocery store because I do multiple places, you know, Costco, regular grocery store, farmer's market.

1:04:31Can't do it. It just turns it all into checkboxes. You need three notes now. Yeah. I need three notes. Here's what you got to do. you gotta indent the check boxes. I put a blank check box in between. That's an awful one. That's not a fix. I just said an alarm but That is a good one. Okay. Back to Marquez. Okay. Hear me out. Sigma 24-35 For listeners, this is a lens. This is a cine lens we use. Full frame covers the whole sensor. Not a male. But instead, it's 18 to 50 so bigger yeah a wider range wait they don't have that yes is it 16 to 35 they have a crop sensor 18 to 35 oh but the only one that covers the full frame sensor is 24 to 35 which sounds nice but that's not a lot of zoom that's 11 millimeters of zoom it's enough to do like a wide to a mid-wide it's not that much range so just a little more range with the same power focal like same T2 through the whole thing I would love that lens to exist I like that and Sigma I bet you could do that that's weird to me that it doesn't exist that lens has existed for like a decade yeah it's been one of the best lenses despite that lack of range so I would really like I would really like that they have like a 50 to 100 they have like a couple other wider ones but just if they made that focal range I would just use that for just almost everything hmm yeah Alice you got another one Alice no I only thought of one real one but I'm throwing a couple extra small ones I had a list baby oh my gosh oh sorry I just realized my next one is really good brain blast I had a physical reaction to that one the Nike Run Club app is shall we say a steaming pile of dog water for many reasons it actually has a lot of good things going for it uh but the absolute worst part about the nike run club app is if you are wearing a smart watch that has nike run club on it and by the way every apple watch that you purchase it's not pre-installed but there are nike run club settings in the settings already even when you don't have it installed and there's an install button within the settings so clearly apple and nike are like come on guys let's like download nike run club I wanted a Nike watch face and I tried to, like it was just in my watch app and I hit add it and it was like, oh, you don't have the Nike Run Club app.

1:07:07And I was like, what? It's a face. Wow. Yeah. So the worst part about that app is that if you are running with the watch, but you start the run on your phone in the Nike Run Club app on your phone, it'll show the metrics on your watch, but it won't use your watch for tracking. It only uses your phone for tracking. So be me. scenario you're running on you're running outside or running on treadmill right your phone large interface pretty decent interface their interface is good a lot of like big buttons and stuff the watch interface for the app is pretty bad it's like you've got four screens you have to scroll a lot there's like a lot of hidden settings it's not great so clearly i want to you know start spotify on my phone and then i want to go to the nike run club app and say i want to do this run hit start on the watch it'll say this is how far you've gone it'll say this is how many calories you've burned but it's taking all of that information from the phone i have to hold my phone in my hand and the watch which is way better at tracking because it's also taking my heart rate like all of that stuff makes it more accurate for how many calories you've burned and all that stuff it's got dual band gps where you might not have an iphone that has dual band gps uh it just tracks from the phone so the only way to be able to track from your watch is to is to download the run onto your watch and start the run on your watch.

1:08:31And if you do that, that means that you have to connect your headphones to your watch, which is really annoying already. Then you have to go into Spotify or Apple Music on your watch, start playing music from Spotify or Apple Music with your headphones connected to your watch, and then start the Nike Run Club app on your watch. And if you do anything on your phone while you're on the run, while you're on the treadmill or whatever, your headphones will be like, I'm confused. Do you want to talk to the phone or do you want to talk to the watch? and then the Nike Run Club app, all of the voice commands just disappear completely and it just breaks.

1:09:03So it's bad for a lot of reasons and it's super, super buggy. But the number one thing that I think they need to change is if it recognizes that you are wearing a smartwatch that has the Nike Run Club app on it. And it's connected to the phone already. It shows your metrics already. It opens Nike Run Club automatically when you start the run on your phone. It needs to track from your phone even if the headphones are connected to your phone. your phone yeah yeah straightforward that's that's complex but come it's like it's the the simplest you just say is there a watch on the person's wrist yes okay cool it's not that hard anyway yeah that does sound extremely annoying it's so annoying it's so annoying so i've voiced simpler ones on my list okay well my next one's pretty ranty it's something that i realized i've been arguing with myself about for a long time and when adam posted this was like i can finally event about this so oh this is an ember mug demo oh god they're so the ember mug is this great and terrible product that is way too much money guess do you know how much this is no this is like 200 bucks it's 150 for the 12 ounce version can you hold it up to the camera sorry this is an ember mug i have the copper version that's 180 i believe thank you michael fisher great christmas gifts they are great gifts because they're way too expensive but once you start using one you cannot use a regular cup anymore i'm like i have one for work and at home at this point it's the eighth sleep of beverages kind of yeah um it's it is like if you're not aware what it is it's basically just a smart mug that will keep the temperature of your coffee at a specific temperature for like two hours or any hot drink or any hot drinker yeah um and it's incredible because i like drinking my coffee slow microwaving your coffee sucks and like keeping it warm for a long time i just do stuff is fantastic so i can't live without it at this point there's a bunch of issues that i have with one the app is horrendous yeah it is like connection is so bad it's so bad and you like every time i would walk past my kitchen my phone would be like oh you want to connect to this bluetooth it's like i've connected 800 times already so it's it's awful so every time i've bought one of these or have bought one for someone else i've connected it set the temperature you want to and just delete it from your phone it's the easiest way you'll remember that temperature local memory i'm pretty sure nobody who's ever bought one of these has like continued to use the app they've probably said it and never looked at it again yeah so i think they should make a cheaper version that has a physical dial or temperature sensor on it or the charger so you don't need an app you don't need a chip that connects such a if you could get it at under a hundred dollars and i just go setting this to 150 or whatever my ideal temperature is and and then never touch it again.

1:11:49That's such a great point. It makes so much sense. This is a product that does not need to be connected to your phone. There's zero reason. You could just have a dial. Yeah, it would be so much easier. So that's my idea for this being better and making it cheaper that might work. My other idea is a little bit of a pipe dream. But my other thing I hate about this is I love drinking out of a ceramic coffee mug. It's so much better. Don't they sell a ceramic version? I don't believe so. They sell a metal version and this, I don't know what this is. They either need to make a ceramic version, which I'm sure they won't because then you're spending$150 on something that can break so much easier.

1:12:26Or my ultimate pipe dream is if they can somehow create a universal adapter that I can put inside of a regular coffee ceramic mug that I could keep the temperature through some sort of food safe heating element. And then I could use all the fun mugs that I buy on every vacation. I have like 20 mugs at home from different places I've visited that I love. I don't use any of them because I only use this. That's funny. That would be so cool if somehow, because it's this element on the bottom that's heating it. If this could be something that I could put in the bottom of a coffee mug that I have already.

1:13:00True. I get to use different fun mugs and stuff like that. Yeah. But keep my coffee warm for two hours. Yeah. That would be incredible. So also for context, it has inductive coils on the bottom and you set it on a charging mat that you have at your desk or whatever. and so as long as you're leaving it in that mat and you're picking it up, taking a sip, putting it back, your battery is great. It has a built-in battery, lasts about 45 minutes. Really? I've had longer than 45. I thought I got close to like two hours with it. Yeah. Mine has been having issues. It is a huge bummer when you don't see the light that it died and you're like, nice hot cup of coffee, a cup of coffee, and then you drink it and it's cold.

1:13:37You've been a cup of coffee. No, you're afraid. But yeah. Ember mug, great gift. Terrible Bluetooth. Terrible Bluetooth. Way too expensive. It's so hard to tell someone to spend$150 on a coffee mug. That's absurd. Yeah. You have to know they drink a lot of coffee. I could never live without it, though. Damn. Wow. Ember mug, but better. All right. Marquez, what do you got? Yeah, what do you got? All right. Which one do you want? One, two, three, four, five, six, or seven? Oh, my God. Seven? Yeah. Wow. Two through four. Two through four. All right. Okay. Two. Kia EV6 GT, but with good range. solid solid wish three three twenty three fifty two two twenty no bad is that what it's on 20 ev6 gt is 220 miles of range good god of epa oh rated range oh that's two okay you want three yeah give me three the cyber truck but with a screen instead of a rearview mirror no that makes too much sense because the tonneau cover covers the entire back window so you can't use it if you drive with the tonneau cover open you can see out the back but a couple things about that one it's still kind of a slot because the back of the truck is so high you don't really see much and two you lose like 25 miles of range per charge because of the aerodynamic disadvantages of all that turbulent air through the trunk so people drive with it closed most of the time that should have been a screen and they know it.

1:15:08But there is the screen on the screen. There is the screen on the single screen that is down out of your normal field of view and you can train yourself to get used to that but there is a mirror, a dinky useless mirror there that should have been a screen and everyone knows it should have been a screen. Why is it not a screen? It is also the smallest, you said dinky but I cannot believe how small that mirror is compared to everything else in that truck. Yeah, so that's three. and you wanted four? Yep. Do it. Galaxy S24, but small. Yes. Oh. Yeah. I thought you said Galaxy S24, ultra, but small and I was like, wait, that's just S24.

1:15:46I see what you mean. That would have been cool too, but yeah. Since we go through those pretty quick, I feel like we could get one, two, and six and seven. You want one? Or five, six, seven. Five, six and seven. Just finish the list. We'll just all send our lists after you. One, AirPods Max, but light. and also usbc oh yeah and has it off and has an off button

1:16:11airpods max but power button and usbc and lighter that's it that's all you have to do that's a lot of stuff that's not that those are reasonable things they are heavy metal headphones apple all you got to do is like take those metal cups and do something like magnesium or carbon fiber and just do the usbc port we all know should be there well titanium is kind of heavy too oh you're right but and then yeah obviously a power but it's lighter than stainless steel but i think they're aluminum yeah currently true so anything lighter than aluminum would be real nice um david no you'd fly away it'd lift you off the ground okay i can keep ranting um macbook pro marquez got this from me but face id how do you have a notch this big yeah that was just a selfie When the first MacBook Pro M1 came out, that was the number one complaint.

1:17:04I truly think that is the only thing that doesn't make sense about this laptop. I think this is the most well-polished product to come out in the last, like, 10 years. Considering that's my only thing I would change about it. Yeah, it's pretty good. I'm like, I spent$4 ,000 on my personal one, and I really don't have any complaints about it. And mine's, like, two, three years old, and I still only want one thing about it. Yeah, definitely. Men only want one thing, and it's face ID. Face ID. in their macbook pro yeah so that's that's an easy one for me yeah that's a good one final cut pro on the ipad but with but good and i know that there's not going to be a whole bunch of like i don't think it's going to replace final cut pro on the mac and i think there's some intentional deficits uh separating it from final cut pro on the mac but plug-in support would really be great for me and also like better color controls but i don't know i'm probably asking for too much plugins what if you ask for adobe with faster exporting and not crashing i would like to see that i would like to see that and to be fair i haven't used premiere in years so it could be way faster with apple silicon now yeah when m1 first came out i was still a premiere user and i edited my how the italian renaissance can save the smartphone camera video on it and every single time i would export it would take about two hours to export and there would just be random green flashes in different parts of the video.

1:18:25To be fair, this was like the beta version of Premiere that just started supporting Apple Silicon, and it was in beta still. Probably a lot better. But I exported that like eight times, and it took like 16 hours. I didn't sleep for three days. And then the one thing that fixed it was just moving the project to Fisher's Intel Mac Quick Pro and exporting it on the Intel one. What machine were you on before that did the flashing? it was the m1 max 16 inch macbook pro but it was right after premiere beta had come out supporting apple silicon so it was like super early this is yeah interesting yeah so it'd probably be better now um but i also don't miss how much it crashed all the time yeah and there's no autosave premiere but autosave wait yeah premiere is autosave doesn't it has autosave it's not as integer every like half an hour yeah you can change that i'm pretty sure yeah i'm almost positive There's like a loading icon on your screen every time it does it.

1:19:20That's better than losing half an hour's worth of work. That's true. That's true. My last one that I've written down. Apple Watch, but with group fitness competitions. Yeah. Okay. I don't know how we didn't think of that. Okay. But I have a theory. Okay. I have theories. Do you want to hear the theories? About why they don't do it? Yeah. You said we had to wait until April. Yeah, he's waiting for the video. Are we getting an exclusive right now? This is an exclusive. This is an exclusive. If only to bring more people to Waveform. This is an exclusive. Okay. so i have this theory around uh the reason that apple is intentionally kneecapping the fitness features on the apple watch and it has to do with their relationship with nike just so the kids out there don't know what i'm talking about um what nike uh sorry sue me okay so so basically nike run club is a thing that like i said is like not pre-installed on the apple watch but there's settings for it on the apple watch and there's an install button in the settings of the apple watch so it's basically native uh i have a theory that because nike run club is inherently like has social features built into it where you can like run with your friends and have competitions and stuff you can join like clubs and all this stuff nike and apple have this agreement that apple will not double up on certain features that nike run club also has so that when people want to do something with their apple watch but they're like why don't i have this they can just move over to night to the nike um stuff and it's not just like there's the run club but there's also nike i think is it called fitness club there's another app that's not just running um that is a bunch of nike stuff that was that was the one i needed for my watch face i i remember wrong okay so it just seems insane to me that over the last couple of years, Apple has added like stride length, vertical height, automatic track detection, dual band GPS so you can run in a city, published a bunch of ads with ultra marathon runners.

1:21:24And they don't have things like, they don't have any half marathon training programs. They don't have any full marathon training programs. The most they have is a 10K training program, but it's not even a training program. It's just a bunch of random Apple Fitness Plus videos that are not even linear. It's like season four, episode two of Run With Me, season nine, episode seven of Run With Me. And it's just eight random episodes. So my theory is that like Nike is basically telling Apple like don't do too much of what people come to Nike Run Club for so that you can funnel people into Nike Run Club.

1:21:59And I think that's why they don't have group competitions. that checks out and to which i would say apple just ignore that one feature and build it anyway yeah that's my suggestion yeah please so please nice david do you have any more um well i did and then i was gonna say the face id thing too but um gosh i mean everything's perfect life is beautiful you know beautiful i don't know what what is bad hmm hmm there's a lot that's bad but you should be more specific do you do any of you have another one while i can think i have one more small one do it okay sure the dyson stick vacuum i think is the most accurately hyped product ever i thought it was way too overhyped i bought one i'm obsessed with it which one did you buy whatever one was at costco because i almost there's a bunch i almost randomly splurged on the v15 to detect i don't even know what teen yeah they're all the same thing in my eyes i'm sure there's a little bit bigger and more powerful i think some of them are what attachments it comes with like i think mine like was specifically had the like pet hair attachment at costco it's too short i wanted to there needs to be a tall version or a like longer pull that i can get for it i'm sure if you're over six foot when you're reaching out you find yourself like your hand is under your hip at that point when you're pushing it yeah and it's not enough fatigue there's Yeah, it's I'm getting older.

1:23:25We're past 30 now. Back starting to hurt. I need a longer version. They are from the UK and UK does have a shorter average height than the US. That's really funny. I think I think, you know, obviously Dyson are the suction experts, but there's another form factor of stick vacuum where the compressor and the chain, the collection chamber are down at the bottom next to the head. and that enables you to put elbow bends in the stock to get under the couch easier. No, Dyson has that. I have one. I have it at home. I have it too at home. Do you have the same one? No, I have the V8. I have one that I can attach to the top.

1:24:07I can do between the chamber and the pole and then it has a joint so that I can go perfect 90 degrees and then push it under my... The problem is just using that as a taller adapter and locking it, It just feels a little weaker when I'm pushing full strength from the top with something that's supposed to be bent. I do not. Mine does not have that. I don't use it. Do you want mine? Yeah. Yeah. What do you mean you don't use it? How do you vacuum it under your couch? I like dirty sometimes. Facts. I don't want that in the episode. Not respect. We're leaving it in. Keeping it. We're going to bleep it.

1:24:39This is way worse than what you actually said. The vacuum is the V8. Which one do I buy? Any of them. the V8 is like the V8's like 350 bucks which I know sounds a lot I just started scrolling through the sides there's so many dude there's so many there's so many it's just like I vacuum more because I'm more okay with like just vacuuming a single room at a time rather than like plugging the vacuum in and I would just do the whole house I can bring it into my car and vacuum my car out all the time it's just so nice I've not vacuumed my apartment in two and a half years and I you might need something a little more heavy duty then I would like have you heard of a power washer yeah yeah all right so i got two little ones so thanks a collar that's not a collar that doesn't do um okay so as we mentioned i switched to samsung i'm now a samsung boy so i can only see the world in terms of samsung products now so what i want is the next fold small speaker on my desk sorry i want the next fold to be not a candy bar shape yes i want it to be more like one plus or like the pixel fold something along those lines passport i wanted to also have the pen in inside yeah yeah that's got to be coming that's crazy that you have to buy it separately with a case i don't i don't know and it's bigger right and yeah it's it's weird yeah the other thing is if they want to ignore that completely because they probably will i want google to and we saw rumors of this already happening where if you plug in a pixel into a display it'll give you like a dex like experience display port out i want that but to be just chrome os just give me chrome os dude you can already run that's that was the dream of fuchsia and fuchsia just kind of died well i don't know if it technically did they end it um it's still somewhere in google i'm sure i think there's a lot so those are those are my two i just want i'm a simple lad just give me samsung but google things and google but samsung things yeah I like those.

1:26:43David, we've been waiting. Oh, I have one. All right. I want them to completely axe the Apple Watch charger and just switch it to MagSafe. Wait. I know the circle's too big. Circle puck. Yeah. So currently, you can charge the AirPods with wireless charging with MagSafe or with the Apple Watch charger, which is really dope. You can? Yeah. What? Yeah. Right? No. Are you sure? I think you can. The Apple Watch charger is the only non-Qi charger. But I think you can charge the AirPods Pro. Isn't it that the Apple Watch charger is Qi, but it's like... I would like to try it, but I don't think you can.

1:27:37I think you can. you can also charge your magsafe charging case with an air app yeah you can yeah wow yeah okay yeah which is which is cool which is cool so but right now the the thing that charges the most things is the regular magsafe charger because it charges your phone and it charges your airpods everything that's not the watch yeah but the watch you have to bring a specific charger for but if you just bring the watch charger it can charge that and your airpods but not your phone so there's this awkward thing where it's like you always have to bring two yeah and so if they could just unify and magsafe seems to be the thing they're unifying around obviously the watch probably isn't really big enough to fit on the magsafe thing but it also seems like it it even if it didn't magnetize it should be able to do charging here's why i think that might not work the weird thing about charging watches on not those specific pucks is because of the way...

1:28:36Can you take your watch off for a second? Not the coning, but the way the watch strap comes down generally doesn't let something... Sorry, you have a normal watch. For the listing, this is a Casio A1200. See how because the strap is facing down when you put it on a table, it usually is floating above a little bit. This is a little more flexible, but some other ones, like it would possibly be sitting because the puck is bigger it would be sitting above the which is why if they had magnets it pulled it down very slightly it would almost be cool if they made an adapter that could fit on top of the puck yeah and then just go like yeah and hold it that's my guess on why that's hard yeah i'm sure apple could figure it out it's just awkward that if you want the holy trinity of apple devices what's that the magsafe duo yeah when you when you said ugliest it's awkward to bring this around i thought you were talking about the MagSafe Duo.

1:29:28Adam has a way better MagSafe Duo product that is not the MagSafe Duo, but it's cooler and better. It's called the Butterfly from 12 South. It's freaking awesome. It's really awesome, but it's so expensive. It's like$130. Didn't Anker just make a little... Yeah, but it's not pretty. Is it the square? The brick? There's the brick that folds into three. That's your phone, your AirPods, and your watch. How about MagSafe Duo but USB-C? Is it lightning? It's lightning. Oh my God. That's another one. Well, they don't sell it anymore, right? The MagSafe Duo? I think they do. It's on Amazon. It's 27 % off on Amazon.

1:30:04So only$94. Yeah, that's one of the... Don't... Yikes. It's also ugly. It's one of the dumber things they've made. It's the thing I hate the most in my backpack. Yeah. So yeah, I just want a unified charging system. That's a good one. Also, one more for me. Any phone with Qi2. Agreed. Oh, yes. Ward agreed. hard hard agree every phone listen up figure it out somebody please please do it please do it okay we've been going long enough we should probably get those trivia answers so let's do it trivia also pass me an eraser any of them alright so quick update on the score Marquez in the lead with 4 for those who don't speak Spanish Andrew, in second place with three.

1:31:00In the second lead. Tres. David, coming in third out of three with one. Thanks. First question. Howdy. So, Bose, not owned by Samsung, but they are owned by a world-famous scientific institute. What is it?

1:31:30This is at the point where I just have to hope I know I'm wrong. I just have to name something that actually is a scientific institute so I don't also look like an idiot when I'm wrong. We're both going to look like idiots.

1:31:46Flip him and read. All right, who wants to go first? I actually almost did put that. Damn, yours are both way better than mine. Marquez, why don't you go first? Okay, cool, cool, cool. I put New Zealand Scientific Institute I'm sorry I feel like some might argue Worldwide Is not based on a specific country Although Never mind I'm also an idiot I feel like I put NASA If NASA was Bose I'd be so happy DARPA No, I put MIT. Which stands for? The Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Which is correct. Which is when I realized I was so wrong by the worldwide thing when I looked and he had a state. MIT owns.

1:32:37What's below MIT? I wrote Romney underneath. David. Sorry. What does that mean? Mitt Romney. Mitt Romney. Like the former governor of Massachusetts. I don't know. Do we have to redo that? Mitt is not a comment. It's funny. All right. Clean cut. Let's not get political. Clean cut, just in case. Second question. Safari. The browser engine is WebKit. Chrome and all Chromium-based browsers, what is the engine called?

1:33:08Fun fact. This engine is actually a fork of WebKit. So everything is WebKit. Which WebKit is also a fork of something else. If I put WebKit, will that be right? No. I put steam engine is that right? I was thinking of putting steam. I don't. Steam. What does steam run on? What does steam OS run on? Linux. I've not even. All right. Flip him and read. What do we got? I'm sticking with it. I'm pretty sure it's chromium. Got it. Wrong. I have nothing. Nothing? I put open CL. Nope. Oh. It's blink. Blink? Blink. have we not heard of this? I was wondering the same thing that's why I made it a trivia question.

1:33:53How have I never known that? I would love for someone to find a reason why this is still correct. Because I feel like it is. Well I was gonna. Probably. In some weird way. So Chromium is the engine. And what was the question again? So the browsers there's Chromium based browsers. So what is Chromium then? No it's a code base. It's a library? Bam. It's a chemical element. That's a tough one. Google, what is Chromium? You just don't get the engine stuff at all. Free open source web browser project. None of that says engine. The basis of Google Chrome provides the majority of the code for other browsers.

1:34:37Maybe just an open sourced browser. Which, as Alice said, it was a fork of WebKit from 2013. I guess it's just an open source browser. It's a code base. Boom. Wow. that's crazy blink you know what else is crazy the waveform podcast is produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Rovin and our intro outro music is by Vain Sill and we are part of the Vox Media Podcast Network and that was out of order transition god that's okay though that's okay though nice have a good day peace bye bye see ya

1:35:26Do you know what Lady Gaga's name is? Lady.