Is the Vision Pro Worth it Now?

39:23and encryption. It's time for WhatsApp. Message privately with everyone. Learn more at whatsapp.com. Alright, welcome back. Speaking of things that Google is bad at, um, because this is a segue from the last, the trivia question in Google. Right, yeah. It's better when you explain it. Google's also really bad at keeping things a secret. You've noticed how they leak, like, their own products on the regular to the point where it's a meme. turns out they can't keep other people's secrets either you don't want to be friends with Google sorry that was a really long segue really long segue to say that Google ended up saying on an Android website that Apple was bringing RCS to the iPhone in fall of 2024 we didn't know when it would be we knew it would be sometime in 2024 now it appears that Google has accidentally told everyone that it will be fall of 2024 we don't know yet what this actually looks like we know that the iPhone will support RCS if I was guessing it'll still be a green bubble it'll still not support all the features of iMessage it'll still be very heavily segregated of this guy has an iPhone and this guy doesn't but fall 2024 it'll be encrypted it won't be SMS anymore it won't be unsafe exclusive to the iPhone 16 Pro that would be brutal that would be brutal but just buy your mom a new iphone yeah yeah no i think that's that's basically it yeah we talked a little bit last week about the uh department of justice's antitrust lawsuit against apple and how that's a whole big thing that's starting and probably going to be going for a long time years uh and one of the one of the sort of pillars of it was the blue versus green bubbles so it's still tbd what this support looks like but now you know yeah fall i have a question for david uh you said that when Apple implements RCS, you're switching to an Android phone.

41:22So what phone are you going to pick this fall? If slash when this happens, what's like top, like I'm getting this one. The phone I want to try the most right now is the S24 Ultra. Okay. I will say I have been, between reviews, I have been returning to the S24 Ultra the most and it's an incredibly good phone. Yeah. And I kind of for a while was like, let me hit the Pixel up one more time. let me go back to the pixel aid pro and for this this past weekend i was on pixel aid pro and it's it's really close but the s24 ultra i think is the best android phone out right now i love my regular s24 and i'm sure the ultra if you're down with the bigger phone is probably just way more i'm just really into the flat sides and the texture of the metal the flat sides i will give a lot of credit to the incredible display the anti-reflective coating on the display the really really fast fingerprint reader just like having an optical fingerprint reader on the pixel just very quickly.

42:16Yeah. Became obviously slower. Yeah. Yeah. It's a good phone. Can, can I throw something out there that maybe our audience can help us with because it's something Marquez and I have had an issue with on our phones and I can't figure out the setting to change it. So if a floating notification comes up on when you're inside the phone, if you accidentally swipe that notification, it makes a pop-up app and I hate pop-up apps. Yeah. Yeah. They're the worst. I hate them. It's a picture and it's like picture and picture. It's like picture and picture message bubbles or something i think it's a little different notification bubbles slightly slightly different from so notification bubbles are one thing they baked that into android after it got popular through facebook messenger yeah and this is not that slightly different from that okay it is specifically samsung's picture-in-picture window over a it's a smaller version of the app over the top of whatever's in the background i don't like that i don't like it i understand why some people would like it my problem is is like when the the notification bubble comes up i think I think I turned it off so if I click it, it won't do that.

43:16No, no, no, nevermind. I don't know how to do it. If you click it, it just comes up in the app. If you swipe down accidentally, like so if you click it but you just pull a little bit, it turns it into that window and then every time I have to hit the maximize button and go up again and I haven't figured out how to do it. There's ways you can like disable pop-ups but that's more along the lines of like if you're in - The notification itself. Or if you're in like Google Maps and you swipe away and it stays as a floating thing. And then I disabled them all and then realized, oh, I don't have YouTube player as a pop-up thing outside of an app anymore or Google Maps as that.

43:49And I can't figure out this one thing and it's driving me crazy. I don't know. So please, if you know how to fix it, let me know. Little Samsung. I have a quick pro tip for anyone that's thinking of getting the S24 Ultra. Just get the champagne model. The color? Is that what it's called? Yeah. Titanium? Titanium, yes. Just get that one. Everybody's doing titanium now. I got the black one because I was like, everyone's getting the titanium. I want to be different. The titanium is so pretty. I'll trade with you. I love my orange one. You want the black one? I really kind of want a black one. Oh.

44:19Let's do it. We'll trade right out. Because the titanium, it's nice. Do the same storage? That's a great question. I don't know. We'll figure it out later. But I kind of want a black phone. I like the black one, but the titanium is just so pretty. Are the fingerprints bad? Or you have a case so it doesn't matter? I got a case. Whatever. There's something I have the orange one. And even though it's in a case, like you can just still see that like light shimmer on the three cameras just like do it exactly the same as you move it I think it looks fantastic Alice which Samsung phone do you have

44:50hashtag ad I think that phone is really good where were we I was gonna try to pull us back but while we're talking about Samsung I do want to note something real quick so I don't really watch TV ever um yeah but i recently am watching like this limited series with a friend of mine called the regime which is sort of about this like russia-esque country that like gets away from it's like a global i don't know it's a limited series it's six episodes but the amount of samsung product placement in that show is insane everyone has an s24 and every tv is the serif tv that's like the LCD TV, but it's like really pretty and has those like...

45:38Killer TV. Yeah. Yeah. And it's just every single piece of technology. Wait, don't you have that TV? What TV do you have? No, I don't have that. I don't have a TV. Oh. I don't watch TV. That type of stuff takes me out of a movie. It's like... It is really subtle because again, like the S24 looks like a generic... Generate me a phone. That's what the S24 looks like. That's true. And the Serif TV is like... It just kind of looks like a fancy TV. and it's also on it has legs so they just have it sitting in the middle of the room because it's supposed to be an extremely fancy like castle so it kind of makes sense it takes me out of it if it's like a very specific or the shot when it shows the shot like oh they're using a surface duo too like what yes yes they also uh they have a couple galaxy folds in the show as well but they're always open and they all they never have a crease because it's like superimposed and then there's a couple shots where they like close it and i'm like there's no branding attached to it but it's so obvious to me they're trying to subliminally get samsung in people's heads i wonder about that they also have rolls royce product placement because they had the rolls the the electric rolls royce that we reviewed the specter in the show and there's like two shots where the camera is just directed at the wheel with the rolls royce logo okay what do you think is less effective product placement in a hollywood blockbuster movie or a billboard right over the lincoln tunnel as far as like effectiveness of how many dollars you just spent versus how many customers i think the billboard over the lincoln tunnel is just brand awareness it's like it just slams it into your head every day and i mean the rolls royce close-up is kind of also the same thing but you only see it once here's my billboard you see a million times that's true a billboard you look at you're expecting an ad a tv show you're watching you don't want an ad in the middle of it so like yeah like if i'm looking at a billboard i'm like okay what was i expecting like i was expecting that to not try and sell me something whereas like yeah i'm watching a tv show and it's just like they just take this really close-up selfie with like a google pixel like right in the camera yeah that that hits different though right because like i don't it annoys me when i see a billboard my brain just like blacks it out i don't actually know what was on that billboard once i pass it you asked which one is more effective not if either of them are i think they're both incredibly ineffective i think your subconscious does know though because it's the same thing as like uh as like jingles like it's it's in your head in this way where like when you think of oh what do i want for lunch and mcdonald's it's just kind of there yeah i think we all underestimate how effective those are i have no idea i think if you if you had a form in front of me and you were like how affected are you by ads i would just go no not at all i look at the reviews i objectively pick the better product i don't care but like it's the first thing you think of when you think of that something it's got very effective it's really effective jess used to work at an advertising company and she would be like the amount of like data they have that shows how effective it is will scare you it's very effective like she'll we'll be watching a show and she'll be like oh that was product placement and i was like what are you talking about and she's like rewind it 10 seconds and it's like oh yeah they picked up like a very particular brand of phone or something i needed to i need if i need an experiment or like people watch two different versions of a movie and then after they go all right buy a speaker online and they see how many of them buy the beats speaker because they saw the beat i'm sure that's been i want that i want to do that by just one one group watches it with the placement one watches it without it and then they go purchase something afterwards and see if it yeah that study has to have been done oh yeah i will i'll be looking for it afterwards on statista or something i encountered my first serif tv in a really crazy product placement i don't think it was like actually like they paid to put it in there but i saw the serif tv for the first time in a museum that makes sense like not like it was on the wall showing something yeah like it was the plaque said samsung serif tv designed by it was it was designed by a pretty famous pair of designers named the buraleck brothers so and it was an exhibit about their design but that feels addy to me it feels a little addy but you know what's so sad about that tv it's a beautiful tv with one of their worst displays that it's so true it's it's that's why it feels it's an ips lcd yeah it's an lcd it's like they have all of these oled tvs and they made it a freaking lcd does simpson have oled or they're qled right Well, anything that's not LCD.

50:08Okay. You know? I'm just making, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It has legs. Has legs. That is really cool. And you can place that on top of it. Avatars in MetaQuest don't even have legs. Speaking of avatars. Wait, wait. Okay. Damn, that was so good. Why are you stopping guys? I just wanted to message. Go ahead. What did you want? Okay, okay. And then Andrew will say it again. Okay. Yeah, you'll say it again. Okay. Just to round out this like RCS thing, as part of the Department of Justice filing, They note that Apple did say they were going to support RCS, but Apple only said that they only committed to supporting the 2019 version of RCS with no commitment to updating as the standard evolved.

50:54And as I understand right now, they are working with the GSMA to develop a open sourced encryption protocol because they don't want to go through Google, which makes a lot of sense. But again, it's still going to be a green bubble. It's going to support the absolute basics. It's not going to have any of the iMessage stuff. And I think that at this point, the green bubble versus blue bubble paradigm is already so strong that they're probably just like, all right, we'll play ball and it won't really matter. Okay, wait, I have a question about that that you just brought up. Yeah. That I just thought of when you were saying that.

51:30So you don't think it would be a different color than green? because what happens if you do get a text from something that's not rcs that's a good point you know like what if someone i think they'll keep it green what's worse than green what if they're just different shades of green pink bubble would be so fun i think i think if i was guessing because we don't really know i'm guessing they will all just be green i think sms and rcs will all just still be green i think so but then how will you know it'll just be iphone or not iphone i just don't think they care and there will be the slight difference of like your mom can send you a higher resolution video now it's like the rcs advantages to some extent will be there yeah if i send you a high-res video it'll still will but if i'm like texting my dad who has rcs turned on and my mom who has rcs turned off as a regular user i'm not going to understand the difference if i don't think i'm like how come the image is clear with you and blurry with you yeah buy your mom and rcs from what i understand the reason that they made i message blue is because they or the reason they made Android messages green on iPhones is because they wanted to denote that you were paying for the SMS text.

52:35Because at the time, none of these carriers had unlimited texting. And so you had to pay per text or you had 100 per month or something like that. I remember I had 100 per month and I begged my mom every month. I was like, please move me into unlimited. It's$5 more. Let me get 200. No. I was like, and that counted for outbound and inbound messages. Oh no, I remember my mom being like, this is how many texts like this is what you have to pay me this month because you went over these yeah i was on a family plan and my sister was cooking up i didn't have any texts you guys are old yeah adam you right here with us yeah you're older than me yeah so blue is over the internet and it was yeah so it's free so that was that was the sort of like denotion they were trying to like portray to people but i agree with you i think they're all gonna be green and i don't think they're gonna have they might have a little check mark in the bottom or something that shows that it was like internet related but i i really think they're gonna make it as bare bones as possible just to say we care about security so well wait i got one i got one well it seems like apple's rcs rollout date is still up in the air which you could kind of say means it's a floating date speaking it's gonna be i it's gonna be coming out with a new iphone because it's gonna be iOS 18.

53:55Sorry, I just ruined that whole thing. I'm sorry. Marquez, please complete the alley-in. Before you finish that,

54:03I am hopeful that at WWDC, when they release the betas of iOS 18, if it's included in the betas, so we could start using it in June would be great. Anyway, can you still segue it? Should we just say it again? Well, it seems like it's still kind of floating up in the air. Just like. Speaking of floating, there was a recent Vision Pro OS update. Did you guys see this? That was an OS. Vision OS 1.1. Big update to shared experiences. Which is a big deal. I made a video a week after Vision Pro came out about the things that were missing from Vision Pro. And my first and most, I think, significant thing missing from the Vision Pro experience, which has been in VR headsets forever, is shared experiences.

54:59Meaning, you and I both have a headset on. We're in different places, but we're looking at the same virtual thing at the same time. Very basic thing. It seems like one of those things where I'm sure there are people who bought the Vision Pro, went in and were like, wait, this doesn't have that? It seems like such an obvious thing to start with. It feels like they probably were planning on it. They probably knew they were going to launch this right after the headset pretty long. At WWDC, when they announced the Vision Pro, one of the developer sessions said it was coming and showed how to implement it when it did ship.

55:33So the update is, most of the time when you're doing... How do I explain this? You've seen the personas, right? It's like in a little glass window, you kind of look at the person and it's their face and they're like shoulders and they're kind of floating in the glass window. FaceTime, right? So there is now a button when you're in certain experiences to enable spatial personas. And when you do that, the glass windows around the personas go away and the persona is a little floating ghost person. And it's surprising. Again, all the things that were good about FaceTime are now good about spatial FaceTime, which is the person's audio sounds like it's coming from the place in the room where it is.

56:16And when you look at people, you're now all in a room together. So I did this first demo where I was on FaceTime with two other people and the person one was to my right and the person two was to my left. And when they looked at each other, they looked like they were looking at each other and not at me. And when one of them looked at me, I was looking at her. And when I looked at the other one, they, you know what I mean? Like it was spatially accurate. Heights were also correctly represented. So if we all stood up the headset and see how far from the ground we are, I could see that I was the tallest one in the group because I was looking down at the other ghost, I mean, spatial persona.

56:51Yeah, it worked. And you could sort of enable this in a couple different experiences. There were several apps that they had beta versions of that would allow us to play with this. So Jigspace, which is the one we've all seen with the F Formula One car, you could pull the engine off and you could look at the wheels and stuff like that. Jigspace had a demo where they supported the spatial personas right off the bat. I like ghosts. Let's keep calling it ghosts. You support the ghosts. and right away it was exactly the way clio and i described it in her video which was let me show you this yeah you see the object i move the object you see the way i moved it if i wanted to point the engine at you i would literally take it and manipulate it in space and point it at you and you would see it pointed at you yeah so all of that uh interaction with objects in 3d space is starting to roll out now they had uh i think it was like one or two apple apps like the keynote app and jig space and one or two other things apple tv you can watch videos in a virtual theater where you're in the middle seat and the people behind you have a further back seat all that stuff you could walk around the theater it was cool um so that's that's new that's finally you can you can do the thing that you were doing oh you can do environments as well right so i did this thing where i played chess uh with uh the group and there was three people and we were all sitting around a chess table or no cards sorry we were playing cards that's three player chess sorry multiplayer chess but four four people all sat around a table we were playing a card game we turned on the environment and so if we all turned on the environment at once we'd all be in the same environment we could all look around and see the same things so we all saw the same board i played my cards they all saw it then the next person played they cards there i'll saw it it just it's the way we yeah have been doing their virtual for years yeah but i thought you said you were playing chess i did chess with one other person oh but then i did cards with four people i was like yeah yeah four person chess is not yeah four person chess with cards it's a weird game they need like that that is real now board game simulator with that which i'm pretty sure is available and of probably quest already and probably is it is it's been around for a very long that seems to be the cool stuff in like vr that would be really fun is like a bunch of board games because like right still playing chess i could see being fun cards feels like one of those gimmicky things like look we can do spatial ghosts or whatever you're also quite limited on what card games you can play because the games that i play most with groups are like speed or egyptian rat slap yeah and those games are games that require like rapid movements in front of each other yeah this wouldn't work as well that wouldn't work that well but i will say my two biggest takeaways from having a demo of it where one, the ghosts look...

59:32Bad? Better. Well, they look okay. I mean the hands are much more prominent so you know how you could see like hands in front of your face when you did a FaceTime through the glass window the hands are like always visible now so it kind of looks like a Wii character you've seen the Wii characters where the hands are always there and then the body is kind of floating you sound like someone who like just gave a friend a present and they open it and they're not very excited and so you're trying to explain why it's really cool and they're just not buying it at all I guess if you compare this to what I was just doing in the quest it it is obviously a very different experience but the other version of that is the quest has much more massive immersive environments to move around in and i still don't really have that on vision pro yet haven't seen that yet obviously having a chessboard is cool in front of you everyone can interact with it obviously being in a theater where everyone watches the same video it's pretty cool yeah but having like a huge map where you can run around and play games and all this stuff is not a thing on Vision Pro yet.

1:00:35Here's a question I have, and maybe you still haven't used it or either of them quite enough, but I'm still interested in the, if the avatar is realistic versus specifically an avatar. And what feels better? Especially because the realistic avatars in the Vision Pro right now clearly still have a lot of work to do and aren't overly realistic. Beta. Yeah. So like, is that, does that feel more real and more like fun? Or like, if you've just know that you can't get that realistic to have your own personal avatar, that looks kind of like you, but it's clearly a cartoon. Is that more like immersive?

1:01:14Cause you're just in the whole world like that. It's a really good question. I think that's exactly where it comes down to taste. Like when I look at the, the Apple persona, especially in the glass window i can see how it feels realistic like a real conversation but when you take the glass window away like the side of your head just fades into clear and your shoulders fade into clearing your hair fades into clear and if you if you look away from me i just see like a ghost outline of you with floating hands so it doesn't look realistic which means i look at it i'm like this has a long way to go but it's if it's a cartoon it doesn't have any of those clear fadeaway downsides i didn't scan the top or the back of my head but now it's a cartoon so it's not it's it is further along because you can see more of me more often in the cartoon but it's also not as far along you know i think sometimes in vr though it's really easy to be like it can be immersive without being realistic and like if the avatar matches the environment you're with and once you're in there for like 10 20 minutes and then you're in there for a while that's when you have that like i took the headset off and it's like whoa yeah i i was really into that and that's what i could see it being more immersive despite being less realistic it's also a use case thing too like immersive versus realistic in gaming i want immersive but in a meeting over a keynote i don't know i kind of just want like if i'm doing it if i'm doing a business meeting which i think is kind of what apple actually thinks some people are going to do with this and I'm showing you a thing on a presentation if it's a cartoon it's like I'm not trying to take that seriously but is it more distracting when it's like it's a cartoon you're expecting a cartoon versus it's David but the left half of his face is missing because he keeps turning to the right and like his ears are like glued to his head and like he's fuzzy all over like sometimes I feel like if you're trying too hard to be realistic and it's not that feels way less immersive and meta leaned really hard into the cartoons and I just think that that didn't age very well and it just feels...

1:03:20It makes it very hard for them to be like, this is a business-like kind of thing. I totally agree with that. And I'm not one way or the other, but I don't know which one would feel better. So you know what I think the main challenge is? Is Apple wants the scan process to be as easy as possible for as many people as possible. But I think if you were to do like a much more detailed, like two minute long scan process, you could have an amazing persona. Kind of like the way, like some people like set up like a mirrorless camera with a USB cable into their computer to be like their webcam. And that's a small fraction of people and most people will never want to do that.

1:03:58But for the people who actually want to put in the work, it can look way better. I think if there is some fraction of people who are like, I'm going to give a work presentation, I need the high res, like good scan. I'm not going to do the 12 second scan that Apple makes you do for FaceTime. I'm going to do the big high res, full torso scan so I can have a good-looking, realistic persona. I think that if you buy the Vision Pro at an Apple store, they should have a setup and take it out and help you do the scan with studio lights and stuff. They should do that. What you're talking about does not exist, right?

1:04:32Yeah, this is a made-up thing that I think would be nice. The best scan possible with lights, I still think, would look sketchy. It's definitely better in this update than it was originally. It's better at the hair cutouts and stuff like that, and the textures of the face are slightly improved. It has a long way to go, for sure. I wanted to note something about the presence of the ghosts or spatial personas. I do think that this is a much bigger deal that this is finally coming out than people sort of realize because before it felt like there was pretty much literally nothing to do with the vision pro except maybe like watch a movie that felt like a good or meaningful or better experience and the arc that this is moving towards with the spatial postponement is actually feeling the presence of like being in a room with someone and doing something with someone i think is like the biggest value proposition of this because already people talk about the metaverse right right tim sweeney loves to talk about the fact that kids now get on fortnight and it's it's kind of like they're in a room together right they're all on discord they're all playing fortnight you're going to a concert together and the whole thing about that is you're doing it with your friends but there's not the the limit of presence in a fortnight concert is that you're all on discord together but the closer you can get to like this is my space someone's sitting right next to me we're doing this thing together i think it's really awesome because if you're across the world and it really feels like there's a person like right next to you that is incentive for me to put on a vision pro and actually hang out with somebody i would rather do that than just get on discord with them and talk to them over that or even the quest if you have like a cartoon version of them right that's even though you're in the same place it doesn't feel it doesn't feel real yeah yeah they're still in the uncanny valley with the scans and everything and that needs to get better for sure um but i think that for the future of vision pro and going from like this headset doesn't make sense to buy at all to like i can see where they're going with this where this will be incredible and people actually might want to buy it makes a lot of sense um also one cool thing about the if you're using apple tv which i hope that they enable this in other streaming apps but they probably won't i don't know something that's cool is if you are watching a movie together or a show together or something even though you see them sitting standing right next to you like or sitting right next to you watching the show um the tv will be perfectly aligned for both of you so if you're both in the movie theater and your character is like sitting at the direct center of the movie theater even if you see your friends sitting to the right to them they're in the direct center yeah so you always get the best experience even when you're hanging out with your friends.

1:07:23It's kind of cool. It was a clever one. Come in late and you're like, oh, I got the bad seat again for this version. For the movie. You're always late to the FaceTime. You're at the back. One time I watched a movie in the theater and we booked tickets at the very last minute and we were literally first row and it was a massive screen. It was so painful. Yeah, do not buy that ticket. Yeah. Anyway, yeah, I think it kind of plays into Theo's thesis for her video, which was this is a teleportation machine. And I think that's going to be the most valuable value proposition. Did you say Clio or Theo?

1:07:56Oh, you said Theo's thesis. I said Theo's thesis. Cleo's thesis. Sorry, Theo. Theo's thesis. Yeah. Cleo's thesis about it being a teleportation machine. I think that I can see us getting there. Slowly. Which is cool. The fidelity of everything that's not the ghosts is pretty good. Yeah. Like the audio. Yeah, the spatial. That sounds a little cool. The objects that we're manipulating in front of each other. like that all that stuff is like really good yeah so it's just the ghosts they're a little and ironically apple being super obsessive about things being exactly as they were being would be in real life like for example having to like pick up a window and carry it with you that obsessiveness is annoying but i think that they're trying to program into people's heads that this is a real object except that it's not you know yeah i still wish that you could pin windows in front of you but that was the second biggest point in our video so it has to be coming yeah i hope it has to be i hope so that is great anyway i'm i'm gonna keep using that we'll keep playing with it but of course we have a lot more to talk about so we'll take a quick break and before we do that we should do a little bit of trivia trivia dude so last week on our autofocus channel we put out our vinfast 8 review vf8 excuse me yes vinfast vinfast 8 yes yes did we confirm that's what it stands for yep i mean what else i don't know yeah very fast jinx you owe me a soda but i don't drink so you can give me something else ellis ervin ah here we go i got all right so in doing some research on vinfast we learned that vinfast's parent company the vin group is a massive massive company so naturally which of the following is not a real vinfast subsidiary vin vin group subsidiary thank you vin group subsidiary a vin home a real estate development company oh my god B, Vinmec, a chain of seven hospitals and two health clinics.

1:10:12C, Vin University, a higher education institution that has partnered with two Ivy League universities. I really hope not. Or D, Vincha, a chain of tea houses housed inside their Vinmart Plus convenience stores. Epic. Wait, that's real. One of those is real or one of them is fake? One of them is fake. Three of them are real. That's awesome. Lord. Okay. Dang. Wow. We'll be right back. Thank you.

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1:12:03We may need to change that jingle. Prices and participation may vary. All right, welcome back. We have an EV to talk about. An EV we've talked about before, sort of, and got a lot of things wrong about it, but we'll get everything right about it today. Okay. The Xiaomi Su7. Oh. First off, it's not an SUV, despite the name sounding exactly like an SUV. Yeah, it's a car. It's a car. It's a very good looking, we've all seen it, right? Yeah, it looks great. It's a McLaren Porsche Model 3. I think it looks great. Which I'm fine with, bro. I think it looks awesome. I don't care if it doesn't have a phone.

1:12:36The Mi, I can't get over the Xiaomi logo on the front of it just because of how much I associate that logo to phones. Yeah. And it's weird seeing that on a car. Do you not like how it looks? No, that's like the logo. I agree with you on the logo. It's like the boot screen from the Xiaomi phones. I love that. You like it on the car? Yeah, I do. I think we're the only people who might not really like it because it just feels, because we're in this film world. I like it because like crazy people make concepts that of these things all the time and it feels like a concept that came to life. It feels like Apple Car.

1:13:09Yeah, would the Apple Car have an Apple logo right on the front of it? I think so. Oh, definitely. I think so. That would be strange. Yeah. That would be really strange. Yeah. But so the Xiaomi S27 orders went out this past week. In China. In China. 90 ,000 people put an$800 deposit down in the first 24 hours of the orders being open. Refundable or non-refundable? I'm not 100 % sure. It said deposit though, which feels very much different than a reservation. Oh, interesting. So I read deposit and assumed deposit, but even refundable,$800 is way more than the$100 refundable one, even if it is refundable.

1:13:49And 90 ,000 in 24 hours is pretty crazy. yeah um it's still going to be about seven months before deliveries start but they had a big event where some people got to go actually check the car out um and someone named telescope i believe their channel is did a pretty cool video showing all of it um i highly suggest going to watch it if you want to see what the car looks like it looks really cool inside and outside and he had some great things to say about it but it also is a review unit at a event not actually living day to day with it and seven months before it comes out and seven months before it comes out but it is an actual car that multiple people were driving around so it seems like we're much closer to it um i guess there's kind of a couple things i wanted to talk about some in the video and some but let's just go over the specs for everything first um because i think we have like the more overview of all the exact specs of everything so there's gonna be three models the standard the pro and the max it's a phone yeah i didn't even put that together yeah it's a phone that's very funny yeah there's a lot of phone relevancies here which makes total sense um so the standard comes in at around 30 000 uh real world rear wheel drive 400 volt architecture 295 horsepower 73.6 kilowatt hour battery approximately 343 miles of cltc range my calculations from that based on the epa generally being 35 or cltc is 35 5 more than epa so i tried to do the calculations for all this would be about 250 miles yeah cltc is china's version of the epa which is looks great on paper bigger numbers yeah yeah um the pro version 34 000 rear wheel drive upgraded to an 800 volt architecture 94.3 kilowatt hour battery this is the one with the most range because it's single motor and the bigger battery.

1:15:44515 miles of CLTC range, which is about 375 miles EPA, which is still a great number. Good number. Max version, that's where you get 504 miles of CLTC range, which is about 370 miles of EPA range, 663 horsepower, zero to 100 kilometers an hour, which is about zero to 60, 2.78 seconds. You look... Okay. Don't believe it. claimed specs are always a funny thing claim specs for sure okay observation number one there is three versions standard pro and max uh if if i use tesla as a precedent they're gonna probably start with the most expensive ones and then work their way down very interesting on that which i have in here is they are saying that the cheaper versions are actually going to be the one shipping quicker hold on i have the actual dates in here bonkers the cheaper model which is between 30 and 34 ,000 should be arriving in 18 to 21 weeks.

1:16:42And the more expensive one at 41 ,000 is in about 30 weeks. So we probably won't see that till almost beginning of next year. Okay. That is really interesting. I like that. Observation number two, the cheap one has a 400 volt architecture and the more expensive one has an 800 volt architecture. What? Why? I don't know what that means. So the, I would hope you would explain that. Yeah, well, that's just different hardware, but also a whole different development process for both. Like, I would imagine if you did all the R &D for an 800-volt architecture, you just put it in all your cars. More expensive?

1:17:18It's expensive to develop, and I think it's less materials to actually install. So I'm not an expert, obviously. but to me if you spent all the money to develop an 800-volt architecture why also spend the money to develop a 400-volt architecture to put in the cheaper car when it's just i don't know that one's a little confusing to me i've never seen that before i've never seen one car with two different architectures uh 800 volt is it possible that they're all 800 but they limit it to 400 i just saw it gets the updates at 800 i think there's a hard work thinking about I know zero about nothing.

1:17:54There's a hardware component to this. Okay. Which is why I would say no. I do want to look real quick. It said, mentioned something about using BYD batteries. Is that the manufacturer? It is, yeah. BYD is a gigantic EV manufacturer in China. They pass Tesla in sales. Yes. Could that possibly be it? Are they using? Well, there's the battery and there's the wires around that, the drivetrain, everything in between. like there's just a lot of wiring in a car and i've just never seen that before so that's stood out to me i feel like that's notable um i do not know enough about that yeah to say if it's notable or not number three is the specs for the price seem incredible and if they deliver on a 42 000 car that does zero to 60 in 2.78 seconds and has 660 horsepower and 370 miles of range that is unbelievably good just as far as specs on paper nothing about design build quality software just those specs for that price is incredible if they deliver that it will probably cost more to ship one from china to here and it'll probably cost more to buy one here but that's also standing out to me on paper i am also assuming that all of these prices are the start of that trim because obviously there's a bunch of things you can add even if you start at a specific trim yeah but But still, yeah.

1:19:18I mean, these prices, in all the articles that I read, were very specifically mentioning about how it's undercutting Model 3. And that seems to be their big. And if you're thinking about a company that could do it, it's probably one of the largest tech companies. They have the money to do this. They're not this brand new company starting up and only doing this. They make literally everything that has an on-off switch. Yeah, it's funny. When you look at some, I think a lot of people don't realize how big these companies are. like yes they're new to vehicles but they're huge companies like vinfast when we reviewed the vf8 on autofocus they're newish to making vehicles but they are a gigantic company they have like music festivals they have like an enormous amount of things they already do so yeah this uh this xiaomi car will have the benefit of i guess also with 90 000 pre-orders they know they're gonna have some volume so that's that's good do you know if there's special xiaomi phone integration yes i i know a little bit about it which is one of the very funny things i found out about this so like what is cool about this is not only just like like we're looking at a different level of ecosystem here now of actually having a car that is part of your ecosystem and i know we mostly talk about here as apple as the best but like in china xiaomi phones are wildly popular not just their phones but like potentially everything like i said with an on and off switch so it could be in your ecosystem and it connects to everything the funny thing is inside the car there's tablets on the back and one of the trims of each of the driver the front seat so the back seat has it apparently they're ipads the guy said like actual this the video i watched the telescope said they were ipads and that you could connect an iphone to and have it what i thought that was so funny okay specifically the tablets in the back yeah should we be happy about this i don't know i thought the voice correct is it is it uh um because if this was just like the whole i mean we were just talking about the antitrust thing where like only apple watch works with iphone works with okay yeah something i was gonna say like xiaomi is a massive company in china with a massive ecosystem and they do have integration with other xiaomi products but they're not like it's not the same thing where like you can only use this xiaomi product with this other xiaomi product generally they're like you can bake it into your ecosystem in any way you want because it does feel extraordinarily easy to just picture this in your head being a xiaomi tablet and yeah the only things that work because they make tablets yeah so that so why aren't they why aren't what i don't know it's very funny especially because like iphones are not very popular in china where this is mostly going to be sold um there are some other cool things inside of the actual car the one thing i thought was the coolest is the touch screen in the front for the driver's side that like we all are aware that touchscreens are becoming super popular and whether we like it or not they have a magnetic attachment that you can get in your trim that adds physical buttons to the bottom of the oh the thing so if you want physical buttons they're a xiaomi or that's an attachment for the touch screen that you can pay extra for i think that's cool that's cool that should be in every single foot car with a touch screen i you know what i hope this car comes out i think it looks like we were talking about probably last time we saw this car it looks like a porsche it looks 70 porsche 20 mclaren 10 like audi and tesla and 1 % a Xiaomi phone and it's got the logo and it's got look if they can deliver on those specs to price that is going to be really interesting and I'm not shocked that they got a bunch of deposits on something it probably is never going to come to the States it's also very possible I mean it's like we probably won't see it because it'll be popular over there there's tons of cars that are popular in other countries that we're just probably never going to see Xiaomi doesn't sell that many phones over here so like I don't know why they would try now brings something that's way, way harder to ship over here.

1:23:30This is a decent-sized market. I mean, the China market is obviously way bigger for EVs, but they might want to ship some stuff here, Europe, who knows? I would love to try it out. This video by Telescope, I think the channel was, is pretty good. You should watch it. He said it drives really well and that it does remind him a lot of a Model 3, just at a different price range. It looks amazing. Different. The interior looks nicer. i wish that we had you know if apple just allowed super apps in the united states maybe we would have a jenomy car in the united states yay how much did the oj pay you to say that pixel car a google car google logo and then they would stop updating it after two months yeah and then the messaging app would get renamed after a couple more months and then the car would get renamed they would stop making the car after three months it would be it'll get one product it'll get leaked to oblivion they'd start selling it at best buy before it even gets announced it would happen i promise i would love it well that's a good place to wrap this up we will keep our eyes on the su7 uh we should also bad name su7 that's an is that how you say it su7 yeah i assume so i i think it's not an suv it's a sedan it's a sedan that's very true i think it's a confusing name yeah other than that i like it there's a lot of it's beautiful i was thinking about this recently there's a lot of weird names out there of like evs like kia ev9 if you think about it is the electric vehicle 9 that's kind of weird the vin fast vf8 what does vf stand for it's a vin fast vin fast eight what is that like there's just some weird names that i was thinking about i don't know yeah keeping the tech vibe alive terrible naming i do think like razor weirdly enough started doing this they started doing this a while ago but they just name it like razor blade 15 2024 i don't mind that i think that's a good way to do it making actual amount that year and it's this one i just googled it su does stand for something oh super user you're close super super ultra so you weren't that you're very close speed ultra speed ultra su stands for Speed Ultra and 7 stands for the market segment.

1:25:46Market segment? The 7 is like the size of it. Like how Kia does EV6, EV7. I don't think Kia does a good job of that either, though, because the 6 is smaller than the 5, but the 9 is bigger than both of them. Kia is out of order. The EV9 is the big one, the EV6, and the EV5. I have to imagine at this point there's one person that... Oh yeah, sorry, sorry. That's what I meant. Ionic. Ionic 6 is smaller than Ionic 5. So maybe they're just going backwards? Yeah, well, Elon just named his car Sexy, so... Yay. We're out here. Speaking of random fun facts, we should do trivia. Trivia, dude. So first, quick update on the score.

1:26:29Marquez with six. Andrew with five. Hanging in there. David with one, two, carry the one, four. Not bad considering I was on Japan for a few weeks. That's close. You're just going to say that every week? When he's winning, he's like, that's pretty good. That's pretty good. What was David's last show? While David was gone? First question. Thanks. Which of these is not a real Google product? Google Thesaurus, Google Compare, Google Showtimes, or Google Trips?

1:27:11I'm just going to read some other ones while we wait. Google Now. Rip. Uweave. Rip. What? Google Block Search API. Google Code. Google Earth Browser Plugin. Google Moderator. Rip. Google Helpouts. What is Timeful? Timeful was an iOS to-do list and calendar application. Oh, God. Don't say those words in this room. You know what's about to happen. Wait, I need to find this. I find old APK Flip him and read Alright David what did you put? I really don't know what you put The and then dash dinosaur Thesaurus Thesaurus Yeah

1:27:57That's correct Is it right? Oh I needed the buzz I said compare Nope I also said compare Nope That's a real one I thought I used Compare That okay so all the other products are ways that they can make money they had no shot of making money on google magenta what was it's different from fuchsia magenta was four ableton live plugins that used their ai to generate like short musical phrases i do remember google trips so that's 100 sounds like something that one i was hoping that actually I used it once for a trip that I did. Now you can just ask your rabbit. I've been thinking of making that joke since my first met.

1:28:48They kind of got rid of it because they started bundling all the features of Google Trips just like into Gmail, basically. Or just straight into Google. I used to use Google Trips for everything. It was awesome. And Google Travel, too. That's still there. Google Travel, yeah. Google Flights is still a thing. Yeah, for now. Oh, God. They did add Google Flights. to Google Flights late last year they added pricing protection. So if the price goes down between when you book through Google Flights and when the flight is, they give you your money back. Which is really cool. Anytime they update something with a feature, that means it's close to dying.

1:29:20That means someone just realized it exists. So what did you do this week? I updated Google Flights. What's that? Kill that. Wait. We're spending money on you updating that? We're cutting you and the product. yeah deep cut second question actually before the second question i just wanted to say lots of people reached out uh via youtube comments last week and said guys why are ellis and adam still sharing a microphone and i just thought we'd provide a little bit of like explanation it's because we haven't really ever addressed it no it's actually because adam and i are both part of an ancient prophecy that says if we both share a microphone for 300 podcast episodes a healing rain will actually wash over the world new jersey so we are actually protecting all of you you're welcome yeah you're welcome everybody anyway for the real second question it's raining too much outside i'm getting you another mic vin the vin fast vin fast is owned by a giant company called the vin group which has their hands in lots of different baskets.

1:30:32I'm going to read you four VIN Group subsidiaries, one of which is fake. You have to tell me which one. First, VIN Home, a real estate development company. B, VIN MEC, a chain of seven hospitals and two health clinics. C, VIN University, a higher education institution partnered with two Ivy League universities. Or D, Vin Cha, a chain of tea houses housed inside their VinMart Plus convenience stores.

1:31:14I already forgot the name of the one that I'm writing, so I'm just gonna... YouTube for PS Vita. What? Glass Explorer Edition. Huge fan, RIP. Word lens. I love Google Schemer. Google Schemer. Oh my gosh. Oh my God. What do we got? All right. We all put. You all put. Vin University. Vin University is real. They are partnered with Cornell and the University of Pennsylvania. Is it Mech? Vin Mech is real. You can go to a VinFast owned hospital. Another guess. Is it the tea house? The tea house is fake. I made it up, but they do have a chain of convenience stores called Vin Mart Plus. Yeah, I don't.

1:32:01I thought that no U.S. university would ever. It's not U.S. It is. Two U.S. like Ivy League universities have partnered with them. I thought. Wait, I was smart. Really? Yes. Money talks, baby. Who cares about education? Which Ivy Leagues? I just said Cornell and the University of Pennsylvania. Yeah. So anyway, thanks for watching and listening and for learning with us. next week's trivia questions I've been promised are tech related. That's crazy. I know. Mine was tech related. Both of ours were tech related. It's crazy. I heard from a source. No, this is slander. Either way, we'll catch you guys very soon.

1:32:38Next week. See you then. Peace. Bye. Waveform was produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Roven. We're partnered with Fox Media Podcast Network and our intro music was created by Vane Silva.

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