Is This Humanoid Robot Worth $20,000?

33:48So jumping all the way to, I think basically my thesis is jumping all the way from where we are now, which is this is not real and it's 100 % teleoperated, jumping all the way to this is a good product and it's mostly teleoperated and it actually saves you time is a huge gap. So why did you announce it now instead of when it's done? And the answer is both because we need to generate hype and raise a lot of money and because we need a lot of training data. And that is the AI product problem of 2025 and beyond. Like that's what happened to Rabbit. That's what happened to the Humane Pin. That's what happened to so many of these others, which is the product is not done.

34:28They had a dream and a really good idea and a respectable idea and people working really hard on it, but they just didn't have the tech that was good enough to sell it as is. And so they sold us a horrible product that was not yet done and that was their demise. My question is like how much funding do they have? because instead of selling this for$20 ,000 or$500 a month when it doesn't really know how to do a lot of stuff yet, they should be offering to let people test it for them or paying other people to test it for them. Would they get enough people? I don't know. I think they would. More than if you paid 20.

35:04The entirety of Twitter would definitely sign up for this. 20 million views. I think we should say something nice. It looks soft. I think their marketing materials are really well done. I just want to, I feel like the browser company kind of like introduced this like super soft, nice marketing style. Everything's cream colored. But there's also a lot, like the photos have like a nice sort of high contrast graininess to them. Yeah, and even their like launch video was like a Super 8 video going through San Francisco. Like that's exactly what the browser company is. And I like that there's old people in the materials.

35:37Also something kind of nice. Even though old people are not going to buy this. No. No. But young people are going to buy it for their parents. I feel like this kind of humanoid robot might make the most sense for people who have a hard time getting around their house. It might need some help. Yeah, but come on. Have you ever met an old person? No. Helping old people. My parents are weirdly good at tech. I don't help them with tech that much. But I feel like old people struggle to find the email app on the iPhone. I don't want to give them something that is completely LLM operated. Yeah. I don't the current as exist version of this product could be terrible for old people, but the Someday the dream is complete version of this product might be awesome for old people for sure I feel like there's a lot of AI companies that sort of have this really weird posture where they're like Ha ha wouldn't it be funny if it killed you?

36:28Whereas the one X is sort of like it can't it won't it's soft sweater sick five six It's you're good. No sharp on six to yeah i'll say he did a decent job of admitting some of the it's weird to say admitting the faults and then sell it at the same time but he's he mentioned shortcomings of it and how next year the people who get it are going to be purchasing something that is not fully fledged and has a lot to learn i just think even that level of what he's saying is still so far from most likely what's going well it goes to marquez's point like this is technically a cool thing like even being tele operated like that's still pretty impressive for a small startup to do it's just not what they're selling right now so yeah i think we were nice enough that now no one could be mad when they lose all their money on their investments i just can't wait until they're like oh did you see they talked about neo on the waveform podcast and they turned it on and there's a skeleton and a minion ripping on uh and a fisherman ripping on us their robot and they won't take any of this seriously yeah which is fair i'm looking at the viewfinder now and it just looks like a skeleton do you know how hard it is to just look at ellis with those eyes the entire podcast i completely forgot we were i was like this is just a regular podcast i actually wear this most days when we're not doing the podcast yeah yeah yeah last year when we did our halloween episode i was cutting the clips the week after and i was like this is no longer relevant that's exactly what's gonna happen with this yeah people you know it'll be halloween week i'd it'll yeah yeah yeah these clips will be viewed long after halloween yeah maybe next year they'll pop off you know what else costs 500 a month damn yeah that's a good one yeah okay well adobe max happened this week last year i went and then took a red eye uh tuesday night because it starts on a tuesday to come back here i decided that's a bad idea because i don't like doing that anymore so i didn't do it yeah i don't like having red eyes like bunnies i like having regular eyes that's a hazel eyes i'm glad you did that because we got all the same information from the internet what oh about adobe yeah i need to do that so yeah i'm glad yeah so they had max is their annual developer conference it's not really it's a development conference they kind of show what they did and then they teach you how to use it i guess um it's sort of for creatives they weirdly did not really seem to seem to at least on the first day ship or talk about a lot of new new new premiere or after effects features they actually had pretty big premiere and after effects updates like a couple of weeks ago so i'm not really sure if that was supposed to be like not as big of a deal they do have generative select now and in um in premiere anyway i'm just going to go over photoshop and lightroom because that's what i use the most often and there are some interesting features here i like lightroom you like lightroom you use lightroom yeah all right we'll do lightroom first so lightroom uh which is a photo editing app now has an assisted culling feature which if you don't do you know do you guys know what culling is no okay it's when you got sick sheep and you got to do something about it not too different actually um lambs no kidding um so if you're if you're like a working photographer and you shoot burst mode, which is, you know, I'm happy for you.

39:52I would never do it myself. I don't want to deal with that many photos. If you're like a wedding photographer and you're just going. As they do. As they do. Those 1DXs. Yeah. When you go home and you have to like decide which is the best photo, that's really, really, really annoying, right? Because a lot of those photos, people are going to be blinking. People are going to be doing this. And having to go like dink, dink, dink through every picture is very annoying. so with image recognition you can now understand oh this person is blinking this photo is overexposed so if you import a ton of pictures they have all of these different selection modes where you can select okay make sure people are smiling make sure people are not blinking uh organize the photos that are overexposed versus properly exposed and it'll kind of contextually understand that so that's very useful and you can like tag things as selects and rejects and it'll separate them into separate areas.

40:45That's sort of a quality of life, really useful, but it is still using the image recognition and semantic recognition that we've developed recently. It's best shot. It is basically best take. That's kind of awesome, honestly. Yeah. There's a color variant slider now. So for example, in your skin tones on your face, you have many different tones. And sometimes if you just up the contrast on a photo, it also ups the contrast on the colors in your face. So you'll have like reds and greens and, you know, yellows in your face. Shadows. Shadows. And if you up the contrast, it's going to make those go away.

41:23They now have a slider that allows you to basically lower the contrast between certain colors or heighten the contrast between certain colors of certain areas so that you can more easily sort of get rid of those different color variations and make it all similar. So that's cool. uh some they have automatic dust and sensor smudge removal so if your camera sensor or lens has dust or like marks on it it will automatically understand that when you import the photos and it will suggest that you content to wear fill them away so that's very cool i really wish that they did this with film dust because i have thousands of little dust particles on my phone that's really freaking annoying, but we are a very small market, so they will not care about me.

42:12There's dozens of us. There are dozens. You can now batch rename files, which apparently they did not have before, which is very useful. And then also, something that's kind of cool, you can auto select objects, and it will automatically recognize if that object created a reflection or a shadow, and it will also select that part of it. That's good. If you're trying to fill something out like they gave an example of a lighthouse that they that they selected the lighthouse but then the person hadn't realized oh the lighthouse is casting a reflection in the water so if you just select the lighthouse it'll spin this little wheel for a sec and it'll select the lighthouse and the reflection in the water and then when you do remove generative remove or something it'll also get rid of the reflection so that's cool that's very helpful yeah so that's lightroom photoshop was quite interesting they now allow you to use different generative models for their generative fill.

43:07So instead of just using the Adobe Firefly models, they now accept Nano Banana, which is Google's Gemini image recognition model. Nano Banana. That sounds like something else we'd say as a minion. I thought Nano Banana was Gemini's Sora. I thought it was a video generation model. No, no, no, no. It's an image generation model. And it's something that I'm surprised we actually never talked about because it did blow up for quite a while. Yeah, but it's not that good. Well, the good things about it is that it's really good at keeping character consistency. So if you needed to generate multiple images of the same person, they would continuously look the same.

43:44And so we're entering this weird phase because remember when ChatGPT and Gemini had a model dropdown window and it had a zillion options and you're like, what is the difference between nano flash? So they're doing that right now. I assume they will eventually just have an auto select the model that you need feature. But for example, you know, Nano Banana has the character consistency thing. So if you want to, you know, turn the angle, say you have a person facing forward and you're like, oh, I actually want the camera to be looking down on them. You can use that model and you can say, make it looking down from a 45 degree angle.

44:21It'll be looking down at them and they'll be looking up at you. So it like maintains the way that the person looks. Pretty interesting. It's kind of like a virtual camera feature. Yeah. Yeah, which is, I don't know, kind of weird. And then there's, you know, other models that are good at different other things. Select subject and remove background have gotten much better on device because they used to be only good in the cloud. The remove tool has gotten significantly better. There's a new generative upscale feature, which gives more partner model options. So Topaz upscale AI is now an option within Photoshop.

44:57So it's very interesting. So it can like, you can take a low res image and it will upscale it the way, same way that Topaz has always done. I was going to say, I know I never use these upscaling features because all the source images I usually have are high res, but I guess for older images, maybe it's better. Like, yeah. I use the Topaz ones a lot and they're really good if you set them at like 10 to 30%. Like if you, if you hit this slam upscale, make this a million pixels, it will look goopy. It's very like goopy, yeah. But at 10 to 30%, it can do some pretty norley stuff. Yeah. And then I think that one of the biggest features is Harmonize, which did come out last year in the beta.

45:31But Harmonize is basically you can take any PNG, you can drop it into any image, and you can hit Harmonize, and it will naturally make all of the lighting and the color of the thing that you dropped into the image just look like it's realistically part of that image. Oh, so Photoshop skills. Yeah, but like auto Photoshop. Like being good at Photoshop, but it just does it automatically now. Yeah, auto Photoshop. Nice. I like that. Those are sort of the main things. I definitely probably missed a few things because I went to watch the keynote and it was like five hours long. Wow. And at least last night when I was writing this, it was not yet on YouTube.

46:04And there was no playback speed option and there was no chapters. So I did not watch that. And I just watched this morning a bunch of recap videos. That's the way to do it. Yeah. Maybe an AI could help there. Yeah. um but speaking of a wow we should just rename this to wave ai form or something we talked brief i don't even know if we talked about this but basically um miko is this new assistant for copilot for microsoft's copilot assistant and effectively copilot you've heard of that it's like microsoft's sort of ai that's always in windows and it's just always there they have now made these 3d characters that are personifying the ai and you know a couple weeks ago they dropped it's sort of like it looks like a luma from super mario galaxy sort of okay and it's kind of just floating there and it talks to you and it's cute but if you tap it a bunch of times it turns into clippy yes and we had mentioned this on the podcast almost oh sorry i mean like we almost got what we wanted on the podcast for like a couple weeks ago we were talking about Windows 10 going away and then we were just saying something about AI being like, we just need Clippy back in Copilot.

47:19And then I got tagged a bunch of times when this happened. It's not quite... It's close. We get a brief Clippy. I think just like... So it's not persistent? No, it says it just poofs into Clippy as an Easter egg. And then it disappears? I think so. Are you kidding me? Exactly. I don't need this flubber-ass green thing. I need Clippy. and I mean I can understand if you want Miko right to be the new thing like let that be the default but if you already program Clippy into it give us a Clippy option nostalgia sells Microsoft Microsoft you should know better than anyone nostalgia sells you're selling all these shirts with like MS Paint logos on it like just let Clippy be an option yeah I'd pay$500 a month for Clippy okay well not all of us would but yeah I would pay$20 ,000.

48:11Yeah, do your dishes. So speaking of trivia. There was like... Oh. Oh. Spooky trivia. Oh. Guys, before we get into trivia, I just want to drop one little news story that I don't know much about, but I just want to make everyone aware. I don't know if it's Halloween spookiness. My monitor is flickering like crazy right now. It's definitely not the giant minion glasses. I did take off these classes to see. Anyway, those of you who are interested in graphic design, for some reason right now, the Affinity suite of iPad apps is free. Zero dollars. Who knows if that... I think this is going to end soon, maybe before this podcast comes out.

48:59But it has something to do with Canva making some big announcement through... I don't know. But if you want to check out some cool apps that are now free for now as it's right now today wednesday anyway guys trivia thin phones are in the news right but thin phones themselves are not new released in late 2014 what phone had a total depth of just 4.8 millimeters what year late 2014 specifically december 2014 so almost 2015 4.8 millimeters I believe that's thinner than the edge and the air it is a spooky question I researched this because I wrote about it for my air video and I didn't name drop it which I maybe should have well answers will be at the end like usual we'll be right back

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53:28That's Z-A-P-I-E-R dot com slash wave. Welcome back. We are going to start this segment by asking our resident minion, Ellis, what is your battery life? Oh, a little bit. Yeah, we used that. So today was a little extra because my train was not running this morning. It took me two hours to get to work. Woo! So a little extra usage on the Purple 12 Mini today. Who wants to take a little crack? Came off the charger a little early today, too. I was bright and early, I think. So it came off the charger at 7.45 a.m. It is currently 12.15. I don't know how to do math. So you guys can figure that one out.

54:12There's a 30 in there. Four and a half hours? 52%. 52 %? I literally was going to say 52%. Really? 52 %? 52 %? I was thinking 63. 63 % I'm currently at 56 % giving I think that would make David and Andrew a little closer. What did you say Andrew? I was going to say that but there's no way I can prove that so David wins. Well it's not like it was a trivia point even though I wish it was. But you know what's not 56 % the winning percentage of the Philadelphia 76ers because it is at 100 % 100%. Unbelievable. Have the Spurs lost yet? No. And neither have the Thunder. Anyway, but this isn't a basketball podcast.

54:58This is a nothing 3A light podcast. Hit it. Yeah. We got to talk about this. The butt. Okay. Nothing when it came out was a budget brand. And then they made the A series, which was their budget model for the budget brand. And I remember us joking around about how they made a budget line for the budget brand. And then they made a budget company that was a sub-brand that was budgeter. CMF. CMF. Two Budget, Two Furious. Two Budget, Two Furious. And then now they have the Nothing 3A Lite, which is the budget of the... It's the budget phone. Budget version of the budget. budget the budget version of the budget line of the budget company of the of the pro pro version of the budget company but not the budget sub brand that makes sense why are you confused somebody needs to do a hierarchy of all these phones because i could see it's very clear in my head how the nothing phone three could be above the nothing phone 3a yeah and the nothing phone 3 isn't there a nothing phone 3a pro yep yes and is that below the nothing phone 3 or above the i think it's below i have the price do you want me to read the prices off for all the prices okay yeah i want to i want to acknowledge as well that the this 3a light is almost the same price as the original nothing phone one launched that i did not have written down but yeah okay so nothing phone three is 799 okay and then the 3a is 379 the 3a pro is 459 and this 3a light is approximately 290 we're basing this off of it's not available in the us so it's 249 euros or and you said the 3a pro was for 459 and then the three is 800 okay so that's the hierarchy of that and then the cmf phone 2 pro is 279 which is right below the 3a light all right They have a pro version of the budget.

57:03Okay, I got it. So it's the Nothing Phone 3, then it's the 3A Pro, then it's the 3A, then it's the 3A Lite, then it's the Nothing, a CMF phone. Correct. Also, the CMF phones are listed on the Nothing website in the phone section. So you can see, I pulled all of these straight from the phone section on nothing.com. What you might notice is this 3, oh my God, trying to remember all these. 3A Lite. The 3A Lite pricing is super similar to the CMF Phone 2 Pro pricing. Right. That's not the only thing that's similar. Wait, yeah. I've posted a side-by-side here inside of our document. In it. And do these phones look familiar?

57:43Could someone explain? Okay. So the camera arrangements are practically identical. They're not like the same colors and there's like some screws and stuff, but like by and large, a lot of the features of these things look very very similar wait okay i have some questions then and it looks like you have the answers are are they the same chip yep are they the same display i mean i have a set of specs here and let's just say they're the same oh my god the button layouts are the same oh my god the camera layouts are the same correct wow the camera the battery is the same okay so this is this okay so it's the same phone but just with a different back and a different branding yes this is basically the cmf phone 2 pro with nothing design language on the back including a glass back versus the screw off like david was saying orange back it's funny i was so ready to call this dumb but i actually prefer the nothing branding and so i would buy this over the cmf phone well it's also like glass instead of plastic yeah like the cmf phone's plastic which Like you can take off and do the modular thing and have the like Langerd or whatever.

58:54But I would buy this over that. Yeah, me too. I think it's funny because I've kind of liked nothing's clear white branding. And yeah, this is my favorite out of all of them because of how simple it is. It's just like mostly white clear, some hints of black and red every once in a while. And that's about it. It's not over the top like some of the other nothing phones have been. And I think this is the best looking nothing phone. What's the weird like pull tab thing on the back? i think that's just like the where the battery went in does the battery is the battery movable it looks like there's a little this whole side yeah there's like a little scoop place for you to put your thought like it looks like you're meant to take that that's what it's supposed to look like it's totally non-functional it's just design you're kidding of course yeah it's just how it looks now it's what it's one thing to choose design over function but to design something to look functional is psychotic have you heard of nothing before that's their whole thing no no nothing makes designs that look pretty that's not pretty that looks like that no no that literally invites you to stick your thumb in there yeah yeah that's their whole aesthetic is like there are screws under there which are supposed to invite you to unscrew things but you never do that you you can't take this off and unscrew this i don't know mark has like like there are screws that in all of our devices and i i'm not i don't feel begged to unscrew them that that is like look what's in there that most i'll say most phones don't have like they don't like visible screws their aesthetic is visible screws and visible screws to me feels like oh I can open the back you can't open the back all of this screams I should be able to open the back but you can't and that's just a nothing thing you're losing me Carl they also to go with the nothing design languages they've had glyph interfaces on a lot of other ones this glyph interfaces one singular white dot on the bottom which at first I thought wait did we just get back notification leds like i remember on my note 8 i had one led on the front and like blue was text green was email yellow was snapchat like i loved that and i thought this was that again it's not um in fact when you go in the through the setup process it says new glyph interface and i'm waiting for an animation to happen and then i click next expecting the animation to go and it just goes into the essential button this could be so much cooler okay so just to if video viewers are looking at this.

1:01:12There's a dot on the bottom right corner down here of the phone. It's a white LED. Uh, man. So, you can do the, like, essential notification thing where if a certain app notifies you, then it lights up, which is some information. But if this was a multicolor LED, I would be raving about this. I would too. I'm so happy about this. The simplest thing. Oh, that's so close. It's funny that one multicolor LED would be better than every glyph nothing's ever done before and they still didn't do it. God, I wonder if you could hack that, if it's actually like an RGB LED, kind of like the Nexus 6. Was it the Nexus 6?

1:01:48I forget. One of the Nexuses had a, it was Shamu, yeah. Oh, you're saying which one had a multicolor LED? There was one that had a LED, they advertised that it's just a white notification LED on the back, but it would, it was actually a multicolor LED. They only used the white light, but there was in, within CyanogenMod, you could assign different colors to different app notifications because they were able to actually do that. Those are the days. Maybe this will be a thing that people can figure out. Hopefully. Yeah. Nexus S. Nexus S? But I did it on my phone. I didn't have a Nexus S. I don't know.

1:02:28Whatever. I have one other interesting thing about this. So this is the first device that nothing is launching with the feature called Lock Glimpse enabled by default. if you don't know what lock glimpse is it's a setting that's been on some i think it was in nothing os 4.0 beta where essentially you turn it on and on your lock screen now it changes every time you kind of turn the phone on and off which can also sometimes go on to linked articles and what everyone's assuming are going to be paid ad spots for nothing which on the beta release the community was really upset about it to the point where three days ago, which would be, I think, the 26th today is the 29th.

1:03:12Nothing released a statement saying, guys, guys, pump the brakes. This is opt-in only. You have to go into the settings. You have to opt into this. It's not going to take over. And then full well knowing that three days later, this phone gets released with it turned on by default. I checked. I set up the phone. It's on by default. so presumably you now have not only does it come with TikTok Instagram and one other pre-loaded onto the phone you get Lock Glimpse pre-defaulted on this phone presumably to make it cheaper so it's$10 you kind of think like is this worth$10 more than the CMF Phone 2 Pro which kind of feels like it if you like the design in the glass back it also shows ads it does, I mean you can turn it off but it's uh it was like it was on by default like that it was on by default like that yep it's funny because the article i read said this is a slippery slope it's like wow that slope is slick because three days later it is already defaulted on dang welcome to the nothing cmf 2 pro 2 think even as a joke to mess that up i messed it up so i don't even know what i just ultra because it would be right above the cna phone 2 pro you know what else is a 2 pro a baby oh he was waiting all my bring it out all my e-ink enjoy yourself there all right you know that we are big books fans over here at the way from podcast um more than one of us me and ellis um so we talked about the books uh palma 2 pro you say books wait you hit the oh way harder than them i thought you're supposed to fun marquez it's fun it's not books though you're saying books today is the

1:05:09okay okay we talked about the books palma 2 pro yep which has an e-ink display it also has a pen that unfortunately does not magnetize it to it and there's like no holder for it is there is on the case so okay so yeah the big thing about this is that it has it has a sim card tray which has the ability to you can either put a SIM card tray in it so that you can access books on the internet or you can download you can listen to Spotify or you can do whatever I'm wondering how close this is to a phone because I don't really know if it has a microphone it's as close to a phone as the iPod Touch was to an iPhone wait you can't make phone calls on it I'm not sure yet you can put data on it there was no cellular on an iPod Touch So it's actually closer to a phone on the iPod.

1:05:59But there was SIM data on an iPod? No, no SIM. Okay, this has SIM data, right? Yeah, you can have a SIM card. Okay, so it has a SIM card tray in it that can double as a microSD card reader. But it already has 128 gigs of storage in it, which is pretty good for a e-ink e-reader. It's twice as much as my 12 mini. has a ram um it's got a 3950 million power battery wow so that's pretty big so it's probably going to last a very long time it has twice as much as my tool a 6.13 inch collidio 3 e-paper display which is color so it can do color now as an octa-core cpu it says a gps a dash gps which i I don't really know what that means.

1:06:49But there's this optional additional pen for it. So you can mark things up. And I've tried this so far. And it's very, very seamless. It's very quick. And then the folio case that they sell with it is a case, first off. And then it has this. It has MagSafe, by the way. It's like an unofficial MagSafe ring that the case attaches to. But the case also has magnets in it. So when you close the case, it locks. And when you open the case, it unlocks the Bux Palma 2 Pro. That's a subtle thing that everyone should be doing with their folio cases. Very similar to the HTC dot matrix display case. Yeah, for the M9 or whatever?

1:07:30Yeah, for the M9. Wow. And yeah, I am just extremely excited to use this. I may put a SIM card in it and see how close I can get to actually using it as a phone. I think it would be great. but also i unboxed it just this morning and it has an ai assistant i'm not really sure what an what a what a reading summarize this book for me yeah that's what i would be like please don't summarize anything i'm reading yeah so there is that unfortunately they were so close to perfection i know they didn't so they didn't put an area for the pen anywhere on the case which is kind of annoying i feel like they should have had like a loop on the front but it does magnetize to it so if it does magnetize to the front and it's pretty secure it doesn't really feel like it's going to fall off so hopefully that wouldn't fall off in like a bag but that's a coincidence that's a uh i don't know i think they might have done that on purpose oh thank you but also the case even though it has magna safe like a magna safe ring on the back it can also turn into like this folio thing where it comes off and then is used as a kickstand uh i again i'm not really sure why you need a kickstand for your phone sized e-reader because you're not really gonna me watching videos or tiktok or anything on it it's color but it is color so you could um anyway i'm very excited about this thing we've been talking about it for weeks and uh i believe it's four hundred dollars damn which is a bit expensive it's a little bit more expensive than the previous books palma does the pen come with that four hundred dollars or negative though my friend yeah yeah the ink sense plus bundle which is the pen oh it's only an initial thirty dollars These names are wild.

1:09:04Oh, so the$30 comes with the case and the pen. Wow. Sorry, the ink. Ink Sense bundle. The pen and the case come for the$30. Yeah, so it's$400 just for the Books Palma Pro 2. Somebody has to rewind and play what David just said. Oh, so the$30 comes with the case and the pen. You get$30 with the pen and the case, which would be really sick. They just give you$30 along with everything. If you pay an extra 30 bucks, you get the case and the pen, which I think is a pretty good deal. Yeah. And it comes in black and white, but the black sucks and the white is awesome. You said writing with the pen is pretty awesome.

1:09:41Yeah. The pen has pretty seamless, pretty much instantaneous feedback where it just shows up on the screen immediately. Can we try? Yeah, we can try it. You should hold it up to the microphone for the ASMR of the pen on the surface. Is it a nice feeling surface to write on? Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Kind of sounds nice. it does sound it's like yeah hmm anyway I'm excited I want to mainline this for a while because I've been using I've been using the Books Palma 2 for a very long time so there you have it we finally got it I want to play with that later what's the name of the AI assistant does it have a name it just says AI assistant yeah I don't know yet what the AI assistant does I'm surprised it doesn't have a name because Books is already like a pretty creative name you'd think they would have went hard his name is like pager i don't know can we do trivia please yes spooky trivia books also makes like tablets and stuff under the books brand just saying cool uh so daniel ek ceo of spotify was also the ceo of what torrenting company briefly in 2006.

1:10:57Oh, wow. She's not surprised. I didn't know this company had a CEO. I just assumed it was a bunch of guys in like a shipping container somewhere like breaking the law. Full credit, Eric told me this this morning and I did not believe him and I looked it up and it was true. That's good. Wait, a torrenting person turned into the Spotify seat? Correct. That's fantastic. That's so great. So no matter what we write down, it's going to be pretty incredible. I feel like all the torrenting sites at that time looked exactly the same, which is a different logo and color scheme. This is good. He's a pirate.

1:11:31This is a good question for the pirate man. It's true. All right. Now we'll be right back.

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1:13:15When it comes to what your family eats and drinks, you know your choices matter. You're the expert because you know what fits your life. And getting it right starts with good information. That's why America's beverage companies are sharing more information about our ingredients at goodtoknowfacts.org. No spin, no judgments, just the facts straight from the experts for more than 140 beverage ingredients. Visit goodtoknowfacts.org. Welcome back. so those of you who are familiar with how we do things here around the office may know that we record this podcast right before eating lunch which is why the third segment on today's show is going to be making the hosts eat a ton of candy at 12 36 p.m uh specifically we're to be doing a blind candy ranking where we give our hosts a series of pieces of halloween candy that they must rank from it was supposed to be one to ten but i got a lot of fun candy so maybe we can make it one to twelve okay so i'm gonna say one to twelve uh olivia i'm sorry in advance because i already asked you to make a one through ten ranking sheet and now you're gonna add two more so sorry about that but uh what i'm gonna need you guys to do is each eat the piece of candy that we hand to you and then agree on where it falls on the ranking without knowing what will come next.

1:14:41Are you guys ready? As an experienced Halloween trick-or-treater, I may not need to eat most of these to know where I want to put them on the rock. No, no, no. That's not optional. We are working together on this, correct? You are working together on this. You must come to a consensus of where everything ranks. Should we get a baseline between the three of us of just out of the blue, what is your favorite piece of Halloween candy? to know of like if right now you had like i'm sorry in advance for my answer well i just want to know like if it popped up you're immediately number one no questions asked i think generally twix for me i totally i don't know if i agree but you could convince me i really like twix but my top candies are incredibly unpopular unfortunately but i like reese's I like Skittles and Starburst.

1:15:33I really like Starburst jelly beans. Have you had those? I love Starburst jelly beans. They're really good. But my top two are Candy Corn and Dots. Yes. Candy Corn is fine. Candy Corn is sick. Dots is - Wait, is this a whole room of Candy Corn enjoyers? That is so rare. It's so rare. I love Candy Corn. Usually somebody, I get a groan out of that usually. Give me the flavored wax. Dots gives me all grown at Dots. Need the flavored wax. Dots is like once a year. That's why it's like good Halloween candy because I only eat candy corn once a year. Wait, Marquez, why did I think you liked Dots? No, he does.

1:16:04He does have a top two. That's my top two. But they make you groan, Andrew. Yes. Okay. Well. It's a lot of chewing. On that note, the first candy is Dots. Oh, wow. F***ing go. All right. Guys, I'm not eating anything. Just kidding. It's the hardest thing to chew. I will eat it. Yeah. Unfortunately, the variety pack that Alex bought only had one thing of dots in it, which was crazy. As it should. There's like 60 pieces of candy. One. Okay, I will say those are better than I remember. There you go. Similarly as Chewy. There's a little bit of aftertaste along the lines of the stuff the dentist used to clean your teeth.

1:16:46Ew. That's... Which isn't my favorite, but it's pretty good. I don't think I can agree with one. It's not one. It's not one. I like it. I'll go... It's top two and it's not two. you don't even know what the other ones are i can't there's i can't put this top all right i'm not settling for anything out of the top half whatever you know no no i agree i'll top i like five five i think five out of twelve yeah five out of twelve are we gonna get four better than this it's the first pick i think so sure yeah yeah okay okay all right dots in at number five candy number two uh another polemical one uh candy number two is the blue dude dude.

1:17:28Polemical? It's like a controversial. Nope. Just means that people get angry. Almond joy. Oh, I love all my joys. You guys know how I feel about almonds? What do you feel about almonds? You felt joyful about almonds? I didn't tell you how I feel about almonds. No. Oh, I think you could just get rid of almonds and nothing of value would be lost. Oh, I love almonds. This conversation again. Besides the water. I can say, I will be with you similar to the rankings because I'm not a huge coconut person. This is so good. Oh my god. This is top two and it's not two. I'm also not a huge coconut person.

1:18:10This is so good. Marquez, I'm interested where you are. You're under dots for this. I'm with you under dots. No, he's above dots. I can tell. No, it's below dots. It's better than expected and it's not because of the almond. This is so much better. You like the coconut? I like coconut part. I'm getting, I'm warming up to coconut, but this still just is not my favorite. How do you feel about the, what's the Girl Scout cookie? The Samoas. Samoas. No, no, no. It's got a different name now, I believe. Yeah. I think it's Samoas. Oh, because Tagalong, yeah, Samoas. How do you feel about Samoas? I don't love them.

1:18:42Okay, so this reminds me of Samoas. Mm-hmm. I put this six. Four. I'll go six. I think six, because I'm scared of the back half. But I think I like Dots more. I've been turning into a gummy candy person lately, so maybe dots is just hitting different as of now. So six. Six? We're putting in six. Oh my gosh. David wants it like one or two, but Almond Joy is so much better than dots. Dots are fine. I'm going to try to not give you all the super chewy ones in succession to keep your jaws alive through this. Thank you. But more dots would be fine. Well, they're not dots, but they are a special Halloween edition.

1:19:20Laffy daffy. Wildberry Banana. Laffy Taffy. That flavor sounds wild. My jaw got tired listening to Ellis say what it was. Was that my first misthrow? Damn. I don't remember what a Laffy Taffy tastes like. Having a joke on every wrapper was one of my favorite things about it. Oh, I didn't know that until I just read it right now. You think it's just regular taffy? Yeah, I want to read my... Can I read my jokes? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What do you do if you see a blue mango? You try to cheer it up. Okay, my answer to that... Wait, I don't get that. Wait, how does that make sense? A blue mangrove? Mango.

1:19:59Oh, okay. All right. My answer to that is you enjoy watching them play at the stadium. Because, like, blue mangrove. Blue mangrove. Oh, it's blue. I'm more with you on that one. Mine has two jokes. Blue mangrove. Yeah, two jokes. Really? Yeah, everyone has two jokes. Yeah. Oh, I have the blue mangrove one. What's your other one, David? Do you have, what do you call, two bananas? Oh, no. Two colors. What is the most required skill to work in a juice factory? Ask Juicero. Damn, I don't know. A good ability to concentrate. I like that one. That's pretty decent. What do you call it? Oh, wait. Sorry, go ahead.

1:20:37What do you call two bananas? Mine says that too. A pair of slippers. Yeah, we got the same. Slippers? Oh, we got the same two jokes? Why are they slippers? Mine was not bad. This is concerning, the colors. I don't like the way this one tastes I'm going to end up eating plastic it was less chewy than the dots somehow no it wasn't I think it was less chewy I was surprised at how not chewy it was if you wanted to eat a single dot versus a bite of Laffy Taffy put a dot on one side of your mouth and a bite of Laffy Taffy on the other side of your mouth and see which one finishes first I think it takes longer to chew time in mouth is over I took a small vibe and it's stuck inside like in between my teeth and I can't get it out it's worse than dot so I'm agreeing I just think it's less chilly let's say 10 or 11 11 11 I'll go 11 on that 10 or 11 I think there's gonna be some gross stuff and at least I'll know it's gross I had some I'll go 10 optimism 10 I think 10 I would do 10 I like 10 10 we're gonna get a Tootsie Roll level of like you don't like Tootsie Rolls we're gonna get what?

1:21:50What are you talking about? They're so good. Who likes... Never mind. I like Tootsie Rolls more than this. Okay. I like Tootsie Rolls more than this. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Sorry. Tootsie Rolls are a high value for you? Those are the brown, chewy things. Yeah. Yeah. How do you feel about flavored Tootsie Rolls? I've never had one. They're crazy. The blue one's vanilla. Tootsie Rolls are like... That's good. If Yahoo drinks were a chewy candy. When you go Halloween shopping and you see the Tootsie Rolls, you go right past them to the rest of the game. You can't because it's inside of every... I don't have classic Tootsie Rolls on this list, but should I go grab them?

1:22:24No, we know they're bad. Okay, well, I do have orange-flavored Tootsie Rolls. Also the chewiest thing in existence, but okay. Are these too small to throw across the studio? No, we got it. We've got athletes. I've got perfect vision right now.

1:22:43Just hit him in the face. That was really good. Are you okay? Yeah, I've got a mask on. It's not the first. That's probably like the sixth time I've been hit with something in the face on video. You have to zoom in on camera. Okay. Zoom into that on camera. Guys, how are we feeling? It's really. Oh, yeah. Chewing. Chewing. It was better in the first half, I will say. Got kind of worse. Definitely the first half. I'm done chewing. Okay. Definitely better than Laffy Taffy. Seven. For sure. Way, way better than the classic Tootsie Roll. Just because of the orange. I like orange things, I think. Citrus and candy go well together.

1:23:23Yeah. I have it seven. I like seven. I'll go seven. It looks like it should have been six, and Almond Joy should have been higher. Well, I'm... Five, six, seven, and ten are what we currently have. So we have 12, 11, 9, 8, 4, 3, 2, 1. Wait, so how many is that? Four? You have... I do four so far. We've done four. We had eight left. You've done four. Yeah, that'd be four. Okay, we got to start looking in top five here because presumably, at worst, half of these are Ellis concoctions. So let's open our eyes to the ones we've heard of before. This next one, you know, I've heard, Marquez, you like orange things.

1:24:02Andrew, citrus and candy go well together. I saw what you had, I think. I have a little treat from across the pond. This is a personal favorite of mine. This is a Terry's dark chocolate orange. And I'm not going to throw this one. I'm going to bring it over to you because I don't know if this is not throwable. Do they have fun-sized versions of these for trick-or-treating? Or would you go to a house and take one of the pieces out of it? Or would it be a sweet house and you get the whole orange? Ideally, the whole orange. That's a sick house. Yeah, that's like the one you want to go to. Yeah. That's the one where like when you're walking around later, you tell all your friends about and you're like, go to that house because they're giving out whole treats.

1:24:40Oh, this is an enormous piece of candy. Have you never had one of these? Oh, no. My father-in-law loves these. So it's the size of an orange, but it's a bunch of slices. And even each individual slice is like pretty big. I just shocked myself on the Mac Studio and my screen stopped flickering. So I just, I guess I regrounded it. Andrew's enjoying it. I love this. It's as good as I remember. We might disagree on the ranking then. Well, here's my thing. This is Halloween candy rankings, correct? This is very good. Yeah. I'm wondering in the Halloween list where this is. Is that a different list?

1:25:20I feel like it's just the list. Getting it while knocking at the door on the house. I'd be very happy if I got one of these. True. You get the whole thing. The whole orange thing. And then your mom's like, you can have one piece of candy tonight. You just rip open the giant orange. The giant orange. Okay, I'll... I'll admit I'm not a big dark chocolate person. So this is low for me. This is below the Laffy Taffy. Really? Below Laffy Taffy? 11 or 12. I have to have this as maybe it's a nine that's unbelievable four this is top five for me for what we currently have going it's above everything I need a consensus and unfortunately you don't have anything between four and eight available so you need to make a call is it top four or is it bottom four cannot be where are we I guess it's eight then because I can't this is not better than dots and Almond Joy this is better than the orange tootsie roll what's coming next this is but I don't like dark chocolate.

1:26:16Like I specifically don't. If this was milk chocolate, I might be okay with putting it four. Okay. Well, can you put your taste aside and imagine a milk chocolate or imagine you liking dark chocolate? That's not the game. I'm coming up from 11 to eight. I guess technically we're going the same amount away if David and I said four. It's about the same. All right. We're going to regret this eight. Number eight. Okay. Come on, man. Ocho. Anyway, guys, you know what's better than candy? I'm looking at... Money. I am nervous about this. Money. Baked beans. Oh, God. Why? Specifically... No one gives this out on Halloween.

1:26:56Boston baked beans. Yeah, boy. Wait, what? A candy I have never heard of before yesterday. Where'd you find it? I found this at Economy Candy in Lower Manhattan. Whoa. Like with the rest of the Halloween candy? I spent company money on this, but it was still a really great experience. so I get they should have a shout out. Economy Candy. Economy Candy. That feels like where you would find baked beans as a candy. That is, in fact, where I found baked beans as a candy. Anyway, you guys don't have a nut allergy, do you? Nowhere to eat the almond joint. That's your four candy bars late to that question.

1:27:31Wait a second. Here is a nut allergy. So the company is Boston Baked Beans and it says artificially flavored candy coated peanuts. I don't. Do they taste like beans? I really hope not. That would be so dumb. It's better than I expected it to be. You have 12, 11, 9, and then 4 through 1 available. It's not above dots. It can't be above dots. It's above dots. What? Do you know what has to be above dots the deeper we go into this? We're breaking all the blind ranking rules of... Look, either... There's two possibilities here. Either Ellis saved all the good candies for last, or Ellis somehow found four even worse candies than these and our rankings will be upside down and that's okay.

1:28:15Okay. I love your optimism. It's going to be the next one are going to be Twix, Three Musketeers, Reese's. It's going to be classic. Skittles, Starburst, Jelly Beans, Candy Corn. Fish paste. The good stuff. No, there's no seafood. I couldn't find seafood. I think this is, let's put this in at nine. Okay. Nine? Are there going to be two worse than this? Probably, right? This is four for me. This is not better than Almond Joy. I agree. But Almond Joy should be higher up. Look, all of our rankings as we insert them will be correct until they're all wrong. They're already all wrong. They're all right so far.

1:28:51No, they're not. No, they're not. We have nine open. Are we really putting this on nine? Well, I don't think it's 11 or 12. It's not 11 or 12. So now all we have left is one, two, three, four, 11 or 12. Oh, my God. Fund it. That's not even candy, is it? it's sugar it's candy you dip in more candy yeah i just realized that the full name of fun dip is lick-a-maid that's disgusting it's like a lemonade that you lick lemonade powder and i'm gonna bring this one over too because one of the fun dips uh burst open while in transit and so i spent way too much time yesterday cleaning fun dip off of this desk it was no fun whatsoever why are there two?

1:29:38because you have to open the left side I don't know oh oh wait open horizontally

1:29:50David this is your first fun dip okay so David inside that package is a stick made out of pure white sugar and then a packet of powder which I assume you've just discovered you lick the sugar stick and then dip it in the powder. Powder's kind of good. Try it with the stick. It's blue but it turns green. Can I open the other side? Yeah. Horizontally. What? Like across the top. Oh like that. Oh that's how you're supposed to open it? How are kids supposed to know that? If I didn't even know that. I feel like it's like tacit kid knowledge. They just know. You know how like when baby giraffes are born they can walk within minutes?

1:30:31Are you dipping it in the table pile? Do you know how like when Neo was invented, it couldn't do anything? The white thing tastes really good. I could say four for this. I like it. I don't hate it. I'm okay with that. Objectively, it's not four, but I think given where we're at. I got it all over the Bux Palma Pro 2. I like how they were like, hey, we could just make the stick with the blue sugar and you would just eat it. I think I would. They're like, no, let's make it slightly worse tasting sugar. And now dip it in the blue sugar. Yeah. I have my own rankings here as well that I might share after.

1:31:11But yeah, in general, we only have one, two, three, four, or 11 or 12 open right now. And this is not worse than the Boston baked beans or the Laffy Taffy. So I guess it's four. Four. I'll go four. Four. Unanimous. Four. Unanimous four. Up next, we have another jaw tester. Oh, no. Movie theaters everywhere fear them. Milk duds. They're milk duds. Oh, God. I've heard of these. Oh, you haven't had these? This is chocolate dots. They taste delicious, but they destroy your teeth. Chocolate dots. It's chocolate dots. They are hella good, though. Audio listeners have been missing Ellis' perfect throws this entire episode.

1:31:49Shout out to Ellis. I've caught everyone else. It's been really good. Oh, my God. I love these. My grandma, may she rest in peace, really loved these. Milk duds? Yeah. She had good taste. She got done every time I went to a movie. Ew.

1:32:10Kind of just like plastic a little bit. Okay, it gets better. Does it? I don't know. These are the chewiest. Sorry, Grandma, I don't know. I don't know about that. Is it better than Laffy Taffy? No. Unfortunately, this is gone. I mean, yes. I don't know. I think I might. Laffy Taffy should have been 12. the eating experience is compromised guys I need a number is it top three or bottom I think it's bottom two I think it's top three bottom two I'm on bottom two I'm here in our list is so you you audibly said ew when you ate it yeah but it got better I think in the scenario we're at now I'm in bottom two 11 you think yeah okay for the context of this don't think of it as it's 3 or it's 11 think of it as it's 3 or it's 4 one of the best or one of the worst because we can't change the other ones agreed and our list is messed up it is bad is it 3 or is it 4 Marquez has held that ever since we put dots at not 1 dots are still my number 1 so you think it's 4 here's where it goes in my actual rankings 4 out of the remaining possible 5 I think it's yeah I think it'd be three.

1:33:24It's like mid. That was pretty hard to eat. Yeah. I wouldn't buy it ever. I think the line of what I buy it ever is right here for me. Anyway, let's go 11. I think 11 is fine. Sorry, David. I'm with 11 on this one. I am. I guess it's the most. Willing to take the risk. I think I'm just in the category of we're taking the risk now. And I'm trying to join the optimism. Skittles, Ellis. Come on. Skittles. This one is very similar to Skittles. I would describe it as like a Skittles analog. But guys, first you need to tell me, have you ever like really, really, really wanted to eat soap? I did, and it sucked.

1:34:06Not intentional. You've never wanted to eat soap? I've never wanted to eat soap. No, I've never wanted to eat soap. Then I don't, I'm sorry. Would you please bring these to our contestants, Adam? I did not know this product existed. this is edible handy bubble juice with a bubble blowing wand what god please do not spill this in our studio this is bad teaching bubble look it's birthday this is really dangerous yeah kids are definitely so the whole thing so so to be clear just for audio listeners it looks like a clear tube of like bubble soap like bubble blowing so with a little wand that you blow bubbles with but the entire contents of it are edible.

1:34:51I don't know. I didn't really read the label. You never had this before? No. What are the chances we could blow a bubble and someone catches it in their mouth? That's what you're supposed to do. You blow the bubbles and then you catch them and the bubbles are sweet and delicious. Really? This one is birthday cake flavored. Not only is this a horrible product, but it's a super bad idea. Burst all over my face, dude. Jesus. Taking clear should automatically be fruit flavored. so making clear birthday cake flavored is they did have clear ones that were fruit flavored i just it's like dripping all over me jesus i'm not gonna blow bubbles i'm just gonna taste it's dripping all over me it tastes a little bit like bubble soap do not drink solution it says lick only in bubble form ha okay sweet i just stuck the whole onto my mouth i did too and my throat is burning and kids are not gonna read that and they're gonna do the same thing this has to be 12 this is bad I'm so glad we left 12 if solution gets into eyes, rinse eyes with water this sounds pretty toxic bro 12 that's 12 the highlight, the absolute best part was that when I opened it, it smelled like birthday cake for a second and then everything after that point was miserable yeah my mouth dead last, can't believe they just got money out of us, that was terrible yeah my throat hurts, Skittles Ellis skittles reese's starburst there has to be guys this next candy is also i would say a skittles analog wait how is this a skittles analog i lied it's not okay this one though is both round and colorful all right okay it is cult classic candy of the ages candy buttons for those i don't know if this is a thing outside the US.

1:36:38It's essentially pieces of sugar dotted onto a long piece of receipt paper. It's like candy acid. I love these personally. These are my out of everything here would probably be. Oh, yeah. No, eating the paper is also part of it. It is. Actually? Or just like. Well, I mean, it's just I've never had one without a little bit. It's edible paper? No, but I've just never eaten one without paper on it. Anything eaten after candy bubbles is like a stir. Yeah. This is so, so much better. This is like quintessential like five and dime store, like pick up candy from it. Yeah. Looks like David's eating a second one.

1:37:21Ooh. Good crunch. That one was a different flavor. Three. Three. Three. Or two. Three. Do we want to leave it open in case it's bad? we just have to embrace the shop so embrace the nightmare that is one and two this is all right i'm like trying to imagine marquez is gonna leave this room and go find all the good candy and eat it just to feel something after yeah and maybe say one or two i mean two there's no world someone that this is the best holiday in candy out of the the two we have left don't think about it what we've already tried i have to yeah you have to think about it what we might have left in a world where we have one two and three open and we're ranking best halloween candy and we open this wrapper and eat this we have to put three don't know what the other we have to put what if they're better there's no way or what if they're worse what if they're worse they can't be worse dude we just had bubble bubble ellis wouldn't do this to us you think ellis would do this to us yeah 100 look at this man yeah do you think he would give us candy worse than this?

1:38:22Absolutely. He's probably saving the worst one for last. I think you would die if you drank this. Oh, wait. Do you know what I forgot? What? Ellis put a spoon in front of all of this. You do all have spoons. Aw, this gets sucked. That's really bad with one spoon to open. What kind of Halloween candy do you give to kids that requires a spoon? I don't remember ever saying Halloween when I pitched this segment. You opened this as Halloween candy. I thought that was all. It just happens to be Halloween. and we're eating candy. It can be unrelated. Adam, play the tape. Specifically, we're going to be doing a blind candy ranking where we give our hosts a series of pieces of Halloween candy that they must rank.

1:39:02See, now you all know that I'm right. My ears. Or wrong. You're definitely wrong. All right, guys, this next one. Needs no introduction. Oh, okay. That is T-Berry gum. Okay. Ella said they're going to have to spit this out, and I was like, oh. I'm not going to eat this, but I'll sniff it. They're multiple packs. I don't know. I'll try. This was the one I got where I was like, that's how... I'm not going to smell. I'm just going to go... You can spit it out to the paper towels that we put in front of you. Yeah, aren't we good producers? You somehow managed to give us worse candy every single time.

1:39:39So it has a hint of flavor of every type of gum I can imagine in this stick form, but just like the LaCroix version of it. like I almost get a sense of Big Red I almost get a sense of Spearman well is it number one or number two? unfortunately with the way things are trending this probably should be number one but this is number two yeah see my perspective look at this list are you proud of look at this list are you asking if I'm proud of myself? look at this list Marquez this could have been number three just saying if we put the buttons as number two at this point bubble juice being 12 we succeeded whatever Ellis pulls out that bag we have to say is better than all these candies.

1:40:17Yeah, it will probably be better than this, though. At the minimum. Right? That's what I thought about the last three. We'll see. So what are you doing? Putting it one or two? Two. Alright, T-Berry Gum at number two. I'm ready for the chaos. Gentlemen, get out your spoons. The best candy you chose. As chosen by you. Waveform's official best candy ever. that's crazy crazy word gentlemen it's like sunscreen i am going to ask you to squeeze the ooze tube oh that's not what is it it's an aloe it is it is ooze tube liquid candy by sweet bandit it is green apple flavor this could slap just saying i'll go first the only reason that some of these companies are still in business is because, what was it called?

1:41:18The Economy Candy Store exists? Is that what it was called? Yeah, Economy Candy on Rivington in Lower Manhattan. It's really fun. You should go. That is probably the only place that you will find ooze tube liquid candy. Green apple flavored. Green apple slaps. I'm ready. Knock yourself out. Alright. Marquez has just bypassed. The only thing, did you, Was this sealed? Yeah, I did break the seal. Okay, thank goodness. All right, audio listeners, Andrew is emptying the ooze tube into his spoon. Brother. That's so much. It's really stringy, but it also, it does have sort of the consistency of aloe vera.

1:41:57Let's go. We'll go together. Wait, Marquez, you're not doing this? No. Why? Why? Look at it. Yeah? I actually think this is going to be good. I mean, we know it's good because it's literally the number one candy, according to Wave 4 Podcast hosts. If we flip this list upside down, it's actually better. That would put the bubble juice at number one, Marcus. It would also put api-caffi and milk duds above beans. This is a melted green apple Jolly Rancher. Yep. It's pretty good. Dave doesn't like it. It literally tastes like a green apple Jolly Rancher. That's probably a compliment. That's kind of a compliment.

1:42:33Notice we didn't get Jolly Ranchers. It's burning my throat. Number one. It's number one. Way worse could have been number one. All right. Actually, out of the last three things we ranked, this was the best out of all. Just to go back over this list, we picked Ooze Tube Green Apple Flavor, number one. Tea Berry Gum, number two. Candy Buttons, number three. That's what I'm saying, man. Fun Dip, number four. Dots, five. Almond Joy, six. Orange Tootsie Roll, seven. Dark Chocolate Orange, eight. Boston Baked Beans, nine. Laffy Taffy, 10. Milk Duds, 11. Bubble Juice. Couldn't escape acid. It had to go 12.

1:43:13This is what I'm saying. When you're putting, if you're doing a blind list, you're doing the next one. You have to just think of it in comparison to everything that could come after, but not the things you've already done. I just want to let you guys know before you do individual rankings, sitting on my desk, unused candies are Kit Kat, Reese's, Hershey's, and Twizzlers.

1:43:33Wow. You heard that? The good stuff. What we could have had was a good list and they actively chose to make this a bad thing. When you're doing a blind ranking, there's two ways you can do it, right? Like you can have your contestants fill up all the top ones really early. So then you got to choose the good candies and force them to put it in the bottom. Or you can do what happened here where you filled up the bottom really quick and then let me just ruin your morning. So in case you're wondering, I've been keeping track of all these candies and how I would have ranked them if this wasn't a blind ranking.

1:44:02So dots one, orange fruit chew. It's not even, oh, it is Titsy Roll. Yeah. Orange Stitcher Roll 2, Almond Joy 3, Laffy Taffy 4, Milk Duds 5, Baked Beans 6, and then it's just all downhill from here. Fun Dip 7, Cotton Candy Buttons 8, Dark Chocolate Orange 9, Ooze Tube 10, Tea Gum 11, and Poison 12. You didn't even have the Ooze Tube and it still made it to 10. That was based purely on Andrew's description. I'm not going to do my whole one I'm just going to say the only thing I think people will be upset about with Marquez is the chocolate orange I don't know man Almond Joy I'm going to go Almond Joy number one the baked baked beans chocolate number two no baked beans number two chocolate number three

1:45:05milk duds fun dip dots

1:45:11I don't know it doesn't matter man ultimately those are my top six that's okay I think I should be rewarded for creating a candy list of which 16 % was liquid that's not easy it's pretty good in Marquez's world this candy list is perfect because dots got to be number one on his list trivia this is the messiest spooky trivia we may have to clarify the second question yeah guys thin phones are in vogue right now but they are not new what phone released what phone released december 2014 had a total thick is it thickness or depth or thickness yeah sure thickness what had a total thickness of 4.8 millimeters it's between two that i'm thinking of but adam said that the company was obvious so if you're thinking around this time period companies that do crazy yeah what was the time again 2014 december so basically 2015 but 2014 whatever okay i'm circling this one all right i put the moto z ah crap i think i got the name wrong oh oh oh i put the moto g play i also put the moto z but i'd crossed out what i thought it was before which was a Huawei like P2 or something.

1:46:52I was thinking like the Sharp Aquos is a Sharp phone, right? It is not but close. That's more along the lines I was thinking of. The Moto Z is a great guess because that was only 5.2 millimeters thick meaning you're only 4 millimeters off. The phone I was looking for was the Vivo X5 Max. Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah. I did look that up a few weeks ago. That was obvious? I thought Vivo would have been too obvious. That's why I wanted you to get the actual name. I guess they were more obvious in that since like 2017, 18, trying all the crazy stuff. Yeah. Moto Z was later, right? I thought it was later.

1:47:28Moto Z were upstairs. Moto Z was between 2015 and 2020. Yeah. All right. Second question. Quick update on the score, though. Marquez, eight, right behind Andrew, the skeleton, with nine. And David, fishing up the rear with five. Really? Yeah. i got five i thought it was only like whatever okay well the answer to the second question ellis accidentally told our hosts in between breaks so it was utorrent daniel ek was briefly the ceo of utorrent so i have another question okay it's basketball related let's go but david you can actually maybe get this maybe andrew maybe you could get this maybe the question is which NBA superstar has a deal currently with Google?

1:48:19There's multiple answers. Fitbit. I think we can accept any NBA superstar with a deal. Well, the Google deal, there's one in particular that's super obvious that David will not get. There's another one that's super obvious that I won't get. More so that he's the guy we've always been talking about as being this guy, but you wouldn't know him because he's like... I'm at that point. I remember. I'll do both. two points yeah two points screw it so a deal with google ahead yes a deal with google the one i was looking for specifically was a deal with fitbit he's also a an investor in a bunch of no oh nice okay cool so you're supposed to put two answers yes but david think about someone you would know that is my hint to you currently yep currently in the league there's two players Have I met him before?

1:49:15Maybe, actually. Maybe. Or at least been in the same room with him. I don't know if you've met him. Tony Hawk? No. I have met him like three times. He's a Formula One driver. Tony Hawk? Nice. Look at him. I'm closing the cap. Yay! Thank you. Alright, flip him and read. What do we got? Who wants to go first? I wrote Kevin Durant. No, but good job. I just know that that's a basketball. And then Steph Curry. Steph Curry? Yeah. Correct. There it is. That's a one point for David. Andrew, what did you put? I put Giannis. You got a point for that because that was the other one that we were thinking about.

1:50:02Giannis Antetokounmpo, the human alphabet. I wrote down the three basketball players that I know in Google Deals. I wrote Giannis Antetokounmpo. That is correct. I spelled it. Wow. I'm waiting for my point. Show off. I'm waiting for my points. You got a point for that. You got a point already. For spelling it. Steph Curry. That is correct. You got another point for that. Kelsey Plum. WNBA. Correct. Did I say NBA? Yeah. You probably did. So is Giannis the guy that got traded that everyone's freaking out about? No. That was Luca. That was Luca. Last year. My throw is still like burning from the toxic acid that we just did.

1:50:38All right. Well, now this episode is done. we're gonna eat the rest of the good candy that you had in that bag over there. Kit Kats, did I hear? Twix? And Twizzlers and Hershey. Reese's? He could have put Reese's in the top ten. And it's Reese's pumpkins, right? No, it's just Reese's, man. Wait, there's pumpkin flavored Reese's? No, there's the holiday Reese's have the better ratio than regular Reese's. Oh. Well, we're gonna eat those. We're gonna enjoy our lunch, of course. And thanks for sticking with us for Techtober. What comes next? Tech... I think it's November. Techvember. it doesn't roll off the tongue as well so thanks for sticking with us for the one that does roll off the tongue well unlike fun dip anyway yeah it sticks to your tongue well catch you guys in the next video peace waveform was produced by adam alina and eliz rovin are partnered with vox media podcast network and our trash room was created by vain still wait can you do one i feel like i slurred all of those you say one where waveform was produced by a minion wave waveform was produced by a pirate and a minion we were partnered with vox media podcast network and our trash room music was created by vain still

1:52:06you're a wizard you're a wizard Adam he's a pirate actually i'm a pirate actually yeah