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41:57All right, waveform trivia time. We'll get it, boys. We'll have to think about how we want to handle David's absence for this trivia round. Maybe we'll send him. Maybe I'll call him. Well, it depends where he is. I don't know where. Where in the world is David? He's in Europe. Is he in a time zone that it's, oh, he's awake? You could just ping him on, like, just text him or something and be like, do you want a trivia question right now? Yeah, you up, just send me you up. And if he replies, you could call him and get a trivia. Today's question's about iFixit, because we love fixing things and letting them not end up in the trash.

42:33And I also love, oh, David's up. Perfect. We also love silly words. And in every iFixit kit is a tool that has a very silly word. So today's trivia question. Oh, I know this. I've taken forever to get here. There's only one I know, and it's definitely not going to ask that one. Really? What is the name of the tool included in many iFixit kits that is used to pry the screen off of smartphones? I know what Marquez is writing, but I don't think that's it. Am I wrong? Can I draw it? it can you draw it yeah i mean it won't wait wait used to pry open yes it's a wedge tool that is used to pry open screens screens okay yeah i think i think we're thinking of the same thing yes but i think that's wrong oh interesting i guess we'll find out i don't think it's wrong okay well we'll think about that the answers will be at the end like usual we'll also call david in at the end for podcast trivia we'll be right back

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46:31Whoa. Wait, really? Yeah. Which means it's nine months into the year, and there's only three months left for phones to come out, but we are kind of approaching the end of when phones do come out. Yep. And so we can start thinking about, start considering the smartphone awards for 2025. It's still too early. There are still more phones coming out. notably we still think maybe a trifold is coming out we still have maybe another month of like phones coming out that aren't necessarily dependent on the u.s holiday shopping season yeah but a lot of good stuff has come out already and so we can go through our categories we're going to go through each of the typical categories for smartphone awards and think about discuss what has come out this year and maybe somehow it takes about what could win yeah i think every year we do like a let's sit down and start just mentioning phones making sure we don't miss anything so doing it on the podcast sounds fun i'm sad david's not here to see yeah i have a lot of good insight yeah and also there are hardly any real rules to this like every year we re we look back at the previous years and we go all right we'll probably keep all the same awards we could add an award category we could subtract one we also don't just keep it to phones that i've reviewed or even necessarily phones that i've tested we look at as many of the phones that came out during the year as possible typically we have tested basically every phone we consider but um yeah that is it's all over the map yeah we do have adam here though who seems to maybe at this point be the person who uses the second most phones in a calendar year i think he may have surpassed david i would say yeah um yeah but yeah so i just listed all the categories i feel like let's go through them maybe throw out some things we remember that seem notable so these are last years so how about i'm gonna pull up even what were the winners from the last year yeah i really like this new category best orange phone who put that there i don't know if i can see the cma phone nice so okay smartphone awards 2020 i just want to say we are very on brand with our thumbnails because when you just type in smartphone awards and youtube it's all our videos and you can tell because it's we have a very specific style for this and boy do they get almost the exact same amount of views every single year a lot of clockwork baby six million six point three five point four five point four six point nine seven we're also a lot of comments every time because people people love talking that's what i thought might be fun to talk about it on the podcast because then we you know discuss a little and then people in the comments can give some of their suggestions as well yeah typically when we do this we're like in the middle of the studio and we're all just sitting there for like an hour discussing all the phones we're still gonna do that yeah we're still But then like the audience never has a chance to like voice their opinion.

49:15So like if you have a strong opinion, this is your chance to yell it into comments. Yeah, I agree. Actually, it was perfect. All right. First category, best big phone. Last year's winner, Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra. Yeah. So, I mean, obviously S25 Ultra came out this year. I will say the phone that I used for the longest this year as my daily driver was the S25 Ultra. That's something that usually comes up at some point in the awards. uh so that's got to be in the running and then the question really is just like what is a big phone what counts as like best use of a ton of space the gaming phones usually come up because they're all huge and have a ton of features there's also going to be phones that have like massive silicon carbon batteries and and they're all pretty big maybe not massive but i do think we also saw the iphone pros really starting to take advantage of being like we are thicker we are the pro but like let's throw some stuff up higher bigger battery get rid of the sim card tray like i guess yeah getting rid of a sim card tray isn't taking advantage of everything but yeah they did for the first time in apple history kind of feel like they moved towards that push of like what we want as tech people like cram everything we want in it yeah that's probably only because they also had a phone that did the exact opposite right and i also will i will say about the iphones because people always talk a lot about the iPhones and the awards.

50:38The iPhones kind of live in their own world where when you talk about iPhones, you usually compare it to other iPhones instead of the entire rest of the tech world. I think iPhones, if you look at the Pro Max, for example, it is the most maximalist, ultra best big phone iPhone I've ever made, but it is very clearly still not as crazy as the huge like 200 megapixel main camera, 6 ,000 milliamp hour silicon carbon battery, 100 watt charging, massive front facing speakers. Like they don't do any of that stuff. So as good as it is for an iPhone, it's tougher to give that an award when phones like that exist.

51:18Super true. So I'm looking at like, yeah, the ROG phone, usually the S25 Ultra will obviously come up. There's gonna be phones like the OnePlus 13 even, which are still like 6.7 inch screens, 6 ,000 mAh silicon carbon battery. Yeah, phones like that, ultra phones. OnePlus was the first thing that kind of entered my mind, but that was like early on in the year. But they did seem to like shove as much in, that was the beginning of this year, right? The 13, yeah, it was January. It's the first one I reviewed. You know, the conversation is kind of like when people compare supercar versus hypercar.

51:53Yeah. Like the iPhone Pro Max is a supercar, but the like crazy oppo or the xiaomi 15 ultra or whatever that that's like a hyper car with all the specs that they give you so that's what i think about when i think about best big phone you don't think like pixel pro xl or like the was it the xiaomi 15 ultra those are like good phones that are big like the pixel 10 pro xl is a good phone that is big but i think when i think about the award for best big phone i think about the phone that crammed so much into it that it's kind of impressive that it's all in one phone if that makes sense yeah but there's a lot of good big phones obviously the other the next category is kind of the opposite best small phone it's always my favorite category there's usually there's usually not a lot of good small well it's gotten harder for sure um but i guess we keep thinking of different ways of saying small like i was gonna say at what point do we just drop this category because there are no small phones that's a good point i thought about that a lot i do want to reward a good small phone because it feels like a unique thing to give a reward to last year's winner was the iphone 16 which is like a what 6.1 inch display wasn't last year 6.3 i think it's 6.3 6.3 so this best small phone because Because the stat was...

53:18Regular 16 was 6.1. But the stat was the best small phone with a 6.1-inch display. It was bigger than the best big phone from the first year. So, yes, it is harder and harder to find a good small phone. That said, there are folding phones, flipping phones. There are other... Hot take. Yeah. A folding phone is not a small phone, but a flipping phone. Yeah, yeah, no. I think the Razer, the Flip, I think these qualify. It's my argument. Every year I try and convince them that I think the Flip is also the small phone. I take it back. Well, it is funny, though. Claire used a Flip for a year, and her first thing is, she's like, oh, this is nice.

54:01And then she opened it, and she's like, this phone's so big because it's so tall and reachability. That's the counter argument is when you open the Flip phone, it is bigger than the Fold closed. so i guess it's is it a small phone when you're using the phone or is it a small phone just like when you hold it and you're not using it i think it should be when you're using the phone i think whole package but i do think using it when it's open is part of it still so it's like it's pro is also it's con yeah and also phones like the the razor and the z fold you can use them a little when they're closed and that is like a small phone experience it'd be like a four inch diagonal and And you don't do much on it, but you could check notifications and play, pause music and do little things like that.

54:47I just want to say, I know Sony has made small phones in the past. So I decided to just look up Sony phones to try and figure out what the name of it is. It's not the Xperia, whatever. The people also ask section on Google when you type Sony phones is, does Sony make phones anymore? Is Xperia available in the US? Is Sony releasing a new phone in 2025? what is the downfall of Sony oof I made that video right what is the most recent there are a few phones released in 2025 that have sub six inch really displays are any of them okay are any of them in the u.s is the first question one of them is okay hit me with the with the list because i would like to hear these the list of the list of them available in the u.s or those of them period of phones that came out this year with a sub six inch screen because the last one i remember was like zen phone are you okay if one of them has an exactly six inch sure sure okay not available in the u.s okay the htc wildfire e6 okay exactly six inch display this is according to gsm arena by HTC has been dead for years, so I'm not sure how they released a phone this year.

56:03They're making phones outside the US, right? Are they still? HTC? I thought they were again. Is HTC dead? I'm pretty sure they are. According to GSM Arena. I was just going to say, I just sorted GSM Arena by things under six inches and released in 2025. So we're looking at the same list. There's a lot of watches. There's a lot of watches. However. I thought they died. No, I think HTC's kind of like made somewhat of a comeback outside of the US. Okay. No, but number two. Yeah. The Doogie Fire 3. Doogie. Yeah. Doogie still makes phones? Not only does Doogie still make phones, but the Doogie Fire 3 has a 5.5 inch screen, meaning it is only 0.1 inches diagonally larger than the greatest phone ever made.

56:49What's funny about this, though, is that screen size, and this is a phone that is like rugged, so obviously is adding a ton of exercise to that and still has top and bottom bezels so like it is probably the footprint of a this phone has six inch 8 000 milliampere battery it's crazy okay rules this is interesting okay all right noted finally and i i'm not sure that this is available in the u.s or not but the nokia 150 music that's screen size again though right this has a full Andrew, look at this phone. I know. That is a small phone. That's a small phone. Oh, wait. You said the Nokia. They also have an HMD 150 Music because they're owned by this.

57:32I also would just like, well, actually, it's funny. The Nokia 150 Music picture on GSM Arena has the HMD logo on the back. Also, this phone has eight megabytes of RAM. Nice. This is a feature phone with a physical keyboard, just so people know. This is a featureless phone. Wow. Yeah. So this is a hard category. I think I will have to include the flipping phones in this consideration. And I will also have to consider probably phones with slightly larger than six inch screens. I think you have to. Obviously, because we just had one last year win. So yeah, 6.1. I think the minimal phone belongs on the small phone list.

58:14The minimal phone? No, the light phone too, but the minimal phone is small. Is it actually small? I think the minimal phone and possibly, I mean, definitely the light phone, possibly minimal phone belongs on small phones list. They are definitely small, but are they the best small phones? Look, man, I'm just trying to, I'm just trying to give you a feel to competitors. No, I agree. This is good fodder. No one wants to watch an F1 race that has two drivers. We got to have way more feel. Lately, it's basically just been Norris and Piastri. It's kind of like watching poker where all the rest of the players are trash, but once in a while they pull something crazy but like it's kind of the two main players but you don't want to watch heads up poker you want a bunch of people to maybe get crazy hands anyway i think light phone should be minimal phone sells the keyboard so it's still kind of big but light phone is actually really like look at this picture of this guy holding this it looks like he's holding a keychain no small little phone there i like that idea i like light in there i want to know what's the biggest screen size of a phone that could win before people get mad 6.3 well that's I think someone will get mad no matter what, no matter how much we preface it by saying there's only so many phones we can click.

59:27Which might mean we have to kill the category. I don't know. I do agree with you. Maybe not yet, but it's... We added a category last year, right? We added foldable. Yeah. Maybe small phone is the one that has to get taken away. Or does it merge kind of into design as like... Yeah, we've never... We say design is really good because they fit so much in a smaller category. Possibly, yeah. just feels like if i have best big phone i have to have best big small phone best small phone they they just go hand in hand i don't know we could get do best perfectly average size phone best exercise i think as as long as it's in the bottom half of typical phone size it counts as a small phone what if you did most average phone just all around the most phone the most the most phone phone it's just like a completely average price a completely average size completely average Like this is the default phone of the year.

1:00:19The iPhone 14. All right. Next one is best camera. This one's always fun because it always gets the most comments. Yeah. This is the one that gives me the most anxiety. Really? Day to day. Well, the thing about camera is there's pictures and videos and there are always different weights to how much people think I should give to photos and videos. Like maybe most people take 80 % photos, 20 % videos, but then they have a kid and they start taking way more videos or way less videos. I don't know. I tend to value videos more because guess what? I do lots of video stuff. Like I kind of a pro video person.

1:00:57So I value video maybe 50-50 with photos. And I mean, spoiler alert, I've reviewed a lot of phones this year and then the iPhone Pros came out. and you know the iPhone won last year the pro iPhone and none of them have come out with anything shockingly better enough to make me think that they should unseat the iPhone as the best video so the video award if there was one would go to the iPhone clearly so then it becomes okay should the others being better at photos weigh enough to matter over the iPhone winning videos and some of them are better than the iPhone with photos and they have better zooms and they have 200 megapixel sensors and way more detail and better low light and better stabilization um but yeah how much should photo versus video matter i think for the trophy winner i think you probably should go 50 50 that just seems like the most fair version but then we always do honorable mentions so like an honorable mention of but i think the phone the phone that takes just the best pictures is like a runner-up yeah that's a good way to differentiate and give people that knowledge but even that's tough because what if one phone takes the way better pictures of just like wide main camera but then another phone takes just like maybe 10 worse on that but also has a 50x telephoto ultra wide macro like has all of it yeah yeah i it'll be tough i'm i'm very you know i'm i'm thinking a lot about this award because of like just obviously i care about video a lot and we go shoot videos on the autofocus channel with phones and we test a lot of these phones with video and some of them are impressive when they watch it like people watch the footage and be like wow i didn't know the pixel 10 could shoot video this good so it's cool that we have that that you know good uh output but it's the quality of how easy it is to shoot the experience the pro like format versatility all that other stuff it's like okay the iphone's the best for video how much like should we weigh that in i feel like it's almost like becoming its own category almost oh because iphone's going in a in a they're like their video system is just in a world of its own right now yeah it's like the old pixel camera yeah exactly i feel like it's a camera used to be the one obviously and now it's like for video iphone camera video is like the one obviously so it's kind of tough yeah and it has genlock just have instant win prores raw support i don't I was going to say, it's almost like, Marques, this is your smartphone awards, and this is based on you.

1:03:31That is true. Some people forget that, I think, and are like, what? This is what you like better, and that's totally fine. Yeah, I think I do preface that at some point in the first minute of every single award. It's like, these are my awards. These are the ones I feel like giving out. That's the part I blink out. People usually just skip the first two minutes. All right, next category was best value. and last year's winner was the nothing phone 2a let me refresh my memory for what the msrp was at launch for that phone because every year the conversation is what is a value phone nothing phone 2a did we change this up did it used to be best budget phone yes i think we started doing best value exactly 349 us so that's clearly on the lower end of like you can buy a two thousand phone today or you could buy a$200 phone today so budget value seems about right I have something I think you alluded to already um so I think you agree with me but I think because people still consider this the budget category we'll be mad at but the base iPhone 17 with 256 base storage with all the good like with almost all the good cameras like it just with promotion now it makes the 16e look like such a joke it makes the 16e and the 16 look like a joke you know what else it makes look like a joke the pixel 10 base series because right before this launched pixel was like nah base can base can have almost or worse cameras than the pro thing than the pro model the same amount but worse cameras 128 base you have to pay an extra hundred dollars and the prices have gone up on old pixels like but tensor but apple apple did the pixel thing from like three years ago where the base was such a good it's really hard to jump up to the pro version and yeah apple did that and i'm a little embarrassed for buying a pixel still now i still enjoy it but now the question is is it that is it so good of a value that you can give a 799 phone the value award that's a tough one it's a really tough one but it is that good i mean other phones we had a lot of good cheap phones and this is one where there's like a lot of phones that I didn't even test that I go back through the year and I'm like, wow, these one or two Poco phones and these one or two Xiaomi phones that were specifically targeting, I think the S25 FE came in and I use it for like one day and I'm like, these are all, this is basically an S25 but$200 cheaper.

1:05:58Like there are a lot of really good value options to consider in this category. The Nothing Phone 2A won last year because it felt like a flagship phone and I used it, I think, before I knew the price and would have guessed it was like twice the price, which is very impressive. Really smooth software, really good experience. That's the type of thing I look for in best value phone award. But I don't think there is a clear front runner this year. What was the price of CMF Phone 2 Pro? $279. I'm on the page right now. I mean, dude, the CMF Phone Pro 2, when you look at that price and these numbers, feels like OG Pocophone.

1:06:35like oh man i will always reminisce about og poco phone days of just watching anyone post any video for like four months and the top comment was always poco phone has better specs than this and it's three hundred dollars um yeah this one can't win this award though because it's already the best orange oh dude this is i mean some of the specs on this are pretty solid 120 hertz 6.7 inch screen uh 50 megapixel 250 megapixel cameras i mean it's doing 4k recording it's ip54 it's a 5 000 million power battery yeah 6.7 inch display this thing amoled like i don't know that's it's pretty solid yeah eight gigs of range pretty good spec list you gotta use it though i gotta you know you gotta make sure it's actually a good phone without just having the numbers and the fluff so yeah i don't remember exactly you oh wait actually your title for it is budget phone of the year i really like and that was like six months ago or whatever four months ago four months ago yeah that's it has a chance i think that's got a solid chance and seem and there's still phones dropping that are qualifying for this award but that one may be one of the favorites for this award yeah that's one of those ones where you have to start balancing like maybe it's not as good as the more expensive one but does it get so much extra points for being this like way sub 500 yeah but i feel like with this category one of the things to take into consideration too is like longevity and do i expect this phone to last longer than a base iphone 17 absolutely not that you know low key that's like a sneaky important thing for value which is lifetime value of the phone if you get a really good deal on a phone that lasts you one year versus if you get a pretty solid value on a phone that lasts you six years you could really argue for the value of the phone that lasts you way longer um i don't know that we have a software update timeline promise from cmf but i do know that iphone will last you a long time so that's that's a really good point for that phone um okay next category best battery and uh i think the the classic that i always say at the beginning of this is this is not just the phone with the longest battery life this is the phone with the best overall battery experience iphone here because Because the dream is just like not thinking about your battery ever.

1:08:58Like that dream of like I just got a brand new phone and I used it all day and I just ended the day with 55%. Oh, my God. Ellis, you got to believe me. This is a really good feeling. This is living. It's a really good feeling. I know. So last year's winner was the Red Magic 10 Pro, which was a gaming phone, which, you know, they tend to throw massive batteries in gaming phones because you use a lot of power in gaming but when you use that phone like regular that phone had a 7 ,050 milliamp hour battery and supported a hundred watt 7 ,000 7 ,000 a silicon carbon battery about that and a hundred watt fast charging 80 watt charger in the box and you could do pass-through charging because with gaming you don't want too much heat so there was all these battery features and you could turn it down to 60 hertz and it would just last forever and that was the winner that's that's a good benchmark even for this year 7 000 million powers and 100 watt charging would win this year um wait can it win no i was just thinking that too it would be funny if you just gave it to it two years in a row yeah that's you know if if they re-release the same phone again this year it would have a chance um there are some other really good phones with big batteries that come out but i talked about silicon carbon batteries at the beginning of 2025 thinking we'd see a lot of them And we saw some, but not a ton.

1:10:14I think we saw some in some of the more advanced, riskier, especially overseas flagships. We didn't see them in the U.S. as much. No. Samsung, Apple, Motorola. The ones that are doing a lot of volume here didn't do a lot of silicon carbon. I think, to be fair, you made the OnePlus video and were like, I think we're going to see this a lot. And it was really only those couple phones off the riff. And then we didn't really see much of it. Yeah. there's been some like oppo and oneplus and xiaomi and they've done silicon carbon batteries but then like the big flagships that we see in the u.s a lot like samsung didn't do it with the s25 ultra the iphones obviously don't have it so it's it's going to be one of those like more daring phones again i i've never really went through the the gsm arena filter thing is pretty awesome like i can just do short by 2025 and batteries over 5 000 million powers okay what about over 6 ,000 because I think there's a couple good ones.

1:11:09Oh no I was over 6 ,000. There's 201 results it says. Damn. Yeah. Anyway the idea with it is going to be like can you turn down you know to 60 hertz or maybe 90 hertz and just use a phone like normal and just not even think about battery. Like that's the ideal. Having wireless charging. You know the one thing that dinged that phone is it had like I don't think it had wireless charging at all. The OnePlus or? The Red Magic that won last year. I think that usually you want to just like not even think about it just pop it on a charger and it just charges fast and you're good fast charging is really important but obviously having a really long life is the best the one plus 13 this year is 6 000 minute hours 100 watt wire charging 50 watt wireless charging and 10 watt reverse wireless charging and i use that phone for a while and really like the battery on it yeah so yeah that's got a shot as well but yeah that's that's a that's a pretty straightforward one you can expect a phone with the best battery experience to win as it should as it should okay we got five more best design this one's totally subjective totally subjective it used to be best build quality now it's just favorite design you know whatever i think deserves a design award for the year last year's winner huawei mate xt the triple fold duh that's the craziest most daring interesting design of a year of that year for phones now we still are expecting maybe a samsung tri-fold this year so we gotta stay tuned for that we still have like the new super super thin regular folds from a couple companies this year like the honor and the samsung and then there's just other interesting if the edge and the air are very different designs and very striking and feel good i always get a design award wow i low-key really like i sound like such an apple shill as someone who's literally never used an iphone but like i like the pro design this year i like the unibody i like how it looks i like the plateau i think it all is great and i really enjoy how they pushed every like they did a physical change inside the phone to reorganize which i thought was interesting over the air because the air did all of that too the air did all of it also and if we're talking just super durable yeah shockingly durable unibody is good and cool yeah i'm a really big fan of the all metal jacket is what i'm calling it with just like glass cutouts instead of being a glass sandwich it's just a metal phone with glass cutouts do you think the air can win over the edge because you said and i know we're just talking about design but yeah it is slightly thinner than the edge but the edge still gives you the more cameras it seems to give you more phone yeah i think the edge is a slightly better design in terms of what you get out of using the phone it still has a best design award well so it has the 200 megapixel flagship main camera and an ultra wide now yes it is a millimeter thicker but i also like the boxier uh design it has stereo speakers it has a bigger battery it has like a 3900 milliamp hour battery so it's got more to it for being one millimeter thicker yeah um how much does that one millimeter matter i don't know are we just gonna ignore the elephant in the room which is the nothing phone three that let you play spin the bottle on the back nothing phone three they had that little screen on the back is that worth the design award i think it got so much pushback that it can't possibly win the award but it is yeah i mean it is it's unique that's for sure um didn't we just see a bunch of other things that might have screens on the back there were some rumors i just saw maybe that's not out yet there was like two or three other xiaomi phones maybe that we're gonna have big screens on the camera plateau on the back after they did one a while ago yeah i saw a couple of those that were renders and like rumors but i wasn't sure if they were actual real or not okay yeah i think we did a video on one a few years ago which is like the first what i remember the first big plateau on the back was because it had a screen on the back of yes that like plateau yeah i think i saw some renders of like new ones even bigger screens on the back so all those are interesting i also think like the design like should service the use like industrial design i guess should matter which you know brings the the pro iphones back into the equation but even something like the most boring design is the s25 ultra like it's a gray rectangle with like no camera bump but it has all the room and does all the things it probably can't win an award but that's like the starting point like you've got to be at least that good at design and probably better to win the award so yeah i i don't know i really think the two slim phones when i think the easiest way to think about design is like if you handed this phone to just somebody without even really turning it on and they held it in their hands and they're like whoa this is cool i think the edge and the air are the the things this year yeah that feel like that previously a triple folding phone last year was like you hand that to someone and they're like oh my goodness yeah what is this totally i do think if you compare the two super thin phones the air the iphone is more impressive to hold specifically because it's lighter it's so light yes it has less battery but that like when you hold the phone and use it it just feels like you're holding a screen it's pretty sick yeah yeah yeah yeah i don't think there's a front runner for this one yet it's a tough one i think this is always the toughest one yeah all right then best foldable this is the new category last year and the inaugural winner or was it real quick the edge is two grams lighter than the air really that's what this is saying real quick yeah 163 grams versus 165 all right that's sick and it has like way bigger battery and dual cameras that's kind of shocking actually we yeah we need to hold both of them i'll put them on a scale again but yeah it struck me each time i held them like these phones are really light i didn't realize they're about the same awesome okay uh yeah best foldable so last year's winner inaugural winner pixel 9 pro fold we have the uh the announcement of the 10 pro fold still waiting to get it here to review that will of course be in contention but also we got the ultra thin ones now we've got samsung z fold 7 we got honor magic 3 i think is what it's called we've got potential trifold there's a lot still on the table i was just gonna say is the trifold in the running it has to be yeah it's gonna be a new style of trifold also which i'm really interested in it could either work really well or really poorly by opening like outwards from the middle screen yeah um that's so man you know we're like wrapping up our iphone videos and part of me is like we're through we're kind of through and then we're talking about all these things that still haven't come out we haven't made videos on and we're like oh no we're right in the middle of it still there's literally like two very important foldables coming in the next couple months at least yeah that one there's a lot on the table for foldables still and then also there's the flipping phones that sort of kind of get swept under the rug because we always look mostly at the big folds because they're more interesting but you could look at you know the big outside screens on these new flips the huawei flip the samsung flip the razor and that they're folding phones that are like reasonable for people to get price wise.

1:18:39These aren't$2 ,000 plus dollar folding phones. Which never really affected this category or at least most of the awards but I think it maybe should matter a little bit. You can get it. There's rumors that there's another Unpacked on Monday. Now it's on Monday? Everything I'm reading says it's on the 29th and that's where they're supposedly going to make this announcement. So we might be right on the cusp okay of a of maybe the triple fold we're all waiting for that announcement to happen because they promised by the end of this year right so that's what we are pretty close to yeah it's september okay yeah a lot on okay a lot on the table for foldables three more maybe the most interesting ones right so most improved award we don't see very much drastic improvement from year to year for smartphones but last year this was the pixel 9 pro fold because the first pixel fold was awesome in theory but you know not great open and then they just made an awesome foldable that won the award so that was a that was the most improved this year gosh the base iphone is going to come up again right because yeah immediately i just think that got pro motion that got 256 base i mean the cameras aren't i guess the phones don't get that different year to year like there's not a lot that's actually different about it it's virtually visually identical to last year.

1:20:06Yeah, but you could make the argument that when we gave Razer Phone 2, it was visually extremely similar, but Razer Phone 2 was just, here's all the bad things about the Razer Phone. Fixed it all. They fixed it all. Like, the iPhone was still just an iPhone, nothing to get that excited about. But this year, it really feels like they put in the things that people have been complaining about with an$800 phone, which is ProMotion. I mean, no one was even really complaining that much about base storage, but giving you 256 base storage it's yeah it's definitely up there what were some bad phones of last year that's what i was just about to think about yeah that i mean the one plus 13s i was gonna say i don't know if the one plus 12 was bad though but one plus 13 was really 13 was really good we almost we didn't even mention the 13s for small phone it's 6.37 inches is it actually Jesus okay it's a small phone to me but damn um what else came out okay so pixels pixel let's see pixel 10 tensor we were hoping would be it's not an improvement if anything i would say it's the opposite no yeah is pixel 10 the biggest disappointment aren't the cameras in the pixel 9 better than the cameras in the pixel 10 i think one of them is because the pixel 9 had cameras then it went to pixel 9a and the 10s using the 9a cameras which i think are worse i thought the 10 pro fold uses the 9a cameras i think the pixel 10 uses the 9a cameras as well interesting okay yeah well that's not gonna win any i may have bought bust of the year is oppo find x8 ultra there's xiaomi 15 series not a lot of these are like dramatically better than last year it's bust has been getting harder to do because there aren't as many really bad phones there's not as many companies kind of coming out of nowhere with something like the red hydrogen or you're doing most improved i was still on most improved but that's also true but that's a good way to go is like bust of the year can usually win a most improved hcc did it i feel like the the price might disqualify it but i think nothing phone three might deserve most improved because it's better in literally every spec and i think it looks pretty cool oh yeah but the price and but it is two or three hundred dollars more expensive and people didn't like the design they're pretty yeah well i don't like people yeah i think the design was fine didn't blow me away but it's light phone three oh yeah light phone three was a pretty big improvement guys books palma two is this year i don't really know what the difference is the palma one is definitely not a phone is the palma two also not a phone yeah it's not yes it's but it's lit as hell it's pretty sick it's barely nine a nine a are we getting oh 10 is next year what about the the new tcl paper phone wasn't there a version in the past and this new version is like really sick and can do the like paper to full screen and like yeah the e-paper improvements year to year go super hard so in that category of phones that is a pretty big jump for the reason that you'd buy the phone yeah and we have it here i haven't done any video stuff about it the 50 xl next paper we do did you not see it no dude some of the stuff on the screen it can do is really cool yesterday what it even has a button that you would love that just turns the e-paper mode on and makes everything black and white you guys love that about like the fair phone or whatever it was yeah so that's interesting it's not a switch so we're out you press the button and the screen looks normal and then just like Harry Potter turns into e-paper.

1:23:47It's really cool. Yeah. That could be in there for design also, but maybe that's more of a software design. Did you make a video on that phone? We didn't. It arrived right before chaos. That's what I wanted to do. It is sitting in this nice little leather book thing on my desk. It's nicely packaged and everything. It's pretty cool. You know what I just realized? This is completely off topic. for the first time in my memory you're using two regular size phones you're not using the xl or the max that's true yeah i just saw that on the table i'd used uh yeah for those wondering my my current dailies are the pixel 10 pro not the xl and the iphone 17 pro not the xl who are you and what have you done with marquez you know it's nice having smaller phones that actually last all day it's really nice damn you almost had ellis on board with that yeah yeah um i like the xl phones i just they're huge six foot it's like a surfboard the 6.9 inch both of the yeah xl versions of these phones are huge yeah um well i don't know bust of the year i don't know if we're gonna there are there are weird weird phones that came out this year um the sequel to the solana phone hit my inbox i'm sure i have that on my desk um the let's see what are there it's not that many bad fuss buses also all right it's gonna be subjected it's always tough to give especially one because you don't really want to give it to anyone but in the past there were so many phones just begging for it so last year's winner for bust of the year was winner uh was the zenphone nine oh yeah because the sense yeah because of what they sorry that was the best sorry best small phone the zenphone 10 ultra or whatever 11 what do they call it 11 ultra 11 ultra yeah yeah that one best uh worst phone best worst but that's a good way of putting it yeah best worst phone most just worstest because it wasn't a bad phone it's just they got rid of all the things we like that's exactly right yeah and that's kind of how it'll probably go with this like there are phones like i don't know would you say the pixel 10 is a bust because tensor didn't get better would you say the pixel 10 is a bust because it's 120 space store it the pixel base series used to be this like great deal and like tensor was kind of the thing you were sacrificing and i feel like they did this thing where they added the third camera to make it feel like you're getting a better deal but you got a lot of worse things out of it and now seeing iphone the people are supposed to be the expensive bad deal ones bringing in all these things that on their base i'm really mad about the storage and having to pay an extra hundred dollars no offense but i do think that it's between like the a series and the pros with pixel i don't even look at the numbers you know the iphone 16e the base one i mean the color though the colors that's fair the colors the iphone 16e was kind of bad 16e was it or does the 16e just look really bad it's such it's 700 how much 600 dollars 600 dollars for an iphone that only has one camera no mag safe no man no promotion about no man no barely any storage i was gonna be really any battery iphone air has also one camera and could be compared to this but it's a thousand oh it's so different the iphone air is nine nine hundred to start right nine ninety nine has a 6.5 inch gorgeous 120 hertz oled display and the 16e is not then they both have different single cameras but if you made me take one i'd take the air uh a decent size 3100 milliamp hour battery versus i don't even know what the iphone's when you search iphone 16e the first reddit thread that comes up is the iPhone 16e isn't a bad phone, dot, dot, dot.

1:27:43It's a bad value. Yeah, that was my title, right? Or that was my opening line or whatever. This is on the LTT subreddit? Well, it's true. It's true. So, I don't know. 16e was disappointing in the feature set and in the value proposition. And that could also be in contention for buses. Does 16e not have MagSafe? Correct. No, that's what we were so mad about. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. That's got to be in theirs. And they put it in the air, which is so much thinner. Yeah. They got to take away something for the cheap phone. $600, that phone. Yeah. So you're telling me that the four magnets they use for MagSafe is$400.

1:28:26It's too much money to put in that phone somehow. Super weird. And by the way, the one they gave me was upgraded storage. So I think they gave me a review unit that was a$900, maybe$800, 16E. which is just comedy that's great so anyway yeah bust of the year will be some interesting candidates for that one and then a phone of the year the mvp phone of the year the big award for 2025 so again i'll mention again the phones that i used the most this year uh in chronological or i guess in terms of time how much i use them number one by a landslide is the galaxy s25 ultra i use that for maybe six months i think uh meaning like when i'd finish reviewing a phone i would go back to it as my main second place i think is the one plus 13 which i think i used for like a month or two uh and then there's a bunch of phones with like tiny slivers of the pie after that and lately i'm on pixel 10 pro for i guess it's been a month now We still have two months before we actually record this thing.

1:29:37Right. So it could get to second place if I don't switch back to whatever. But they're still reviewing other phones. So a lot of tiny slivers of that. But those are the phones that I personally liked the most to use for myself. That said, the award for MVP or phone of the year takes like the whole story into account. Maybe one landed that was like an amazing value or like changed the story about phones this year. Or it was just shocking that it came out from the company that it came out from. uh last year the let me go to the end the phone of the year award samsung galaxy s24 ultra and that one was like it came out in january and it was very boringly just like the best phone you could buy all year there's the safest bet the rock solid software if you want ai stuff it's got that if you want long time updates it's got that if you want good cameras and good zoom it's got that if you want good videos it's got that if you want good battery it's got that if you want good charging it's got that if you want a good screen it's got that if you want good build it's got that s pen was there still speakers were there build quality it was just everything you could it was so safe and i was like yeah this is the best phone of the year and it's kind of shocking that we don't talk about it more so that won last year s25 ultra similar in a lot of ways and it has a snapdragon 8 elite and all these things are great about it but it's still so boring like i feel like i'm looking around at the rest of the landscape of phones and like iphone era made an enormous splash pro iphones are interesting uh pixel 10 is odd from google like we have a lot to say about it s25 fe is interesting base iphone 17 is also interesting for phone of the year just and how how much of a leap they made possibly being like most improved and having all the stuff that we were hoping to finally come to the iphone finally did um yeah there's a lot maybe if this trifold is sick from samsung maybe that's a candidate for phone of the year so there's a lot that is in contention to sort of take the story the mantle for like the phone that represents the year and phones the trifold trifold is going to be so interesting to see because that is such opportunity to be like the coolest phone of the year or just the absolute dumbest phone of the year if it We know that thing's going to, how much do you think it's going to cost?

1:31:59Do you think it's going to hit three grand? Well, I think we tried to guess last time. We're like, Samsung makes phones at these prices. I think if you go one screen, you're going to spend a thousand. If you go two screens, you're going to spend two thousand. If you go trifold, you get three thousand. Yeah. I think that's probably what we're looking at. Three thousand dollar phone. That's got to impress. What if it's the sickest ever? What if it's just as thin as a regular phone and has like a nine and a half inch screen inside? If it doesn't have Dex, I'm going to be so mad. Get ready. prepare yourself yeah there's there's a couple interesting ways that this could go i'm so interested in what the comments say too yeah interesting year in phones there's been so many foldables i feel like a foldable it's more likely than ever that a foldable could could finally win mvp because i don't think it ever has i don't think one or maybe it hasn't i don't think that really depends on how the 10 pro fold comes out and the samsung tri-fold like because right now would be z fold seven right like that would be the winner um probably like if it's gonna be like a foldable that wins that category like for the best phone of the year yeah because there's other foldables that did like small parts of the puzzle well like the honor magic is like so thin and impressive but also like software is kind of a mess and other parts aren't as good samsung's foldable is just like super thin and the rest is good too so that would probably check out but But yeah, that is something we will be thinking a lot about between now and December 29th.

1:33:22Please yell at us and tell us what we forgot. When I eventually shoot that video. Yeah, yell at us in the comments. Tell us what you think we should win in each category. And we should take a quick break. But before we do that, one more trivia question.

1:33:37Trivia, dude. So, Marquez, you finally canceled your Tesla Roadster. I did. But you know who didn't cancel their Roadster? SpaceX, when they launched one into space. So in that launch, there was a mannequin in the driver's seat. What was the mannequin's name? It had a name? It had a name. Here's a hint based off of a David Bowie song. Oh, wait, I know. I hate when Marquez gets pop culture references over me. Do I know? Hold on. I need a... Yeah.

1:34:15No, I don't know. I don't know much about David Bowie. I was really hoping you were about to put an Elton John reference in. I'm going to give you a hint. It was probably a bad idea, but I'll give you a hint. That will hopefully help me remember. It's definitely... No, I'm not going to say it. It's definitely based on a song name. It's one of his song names, I'm pretty sure. Oh, it is. I remember it. I remember it. Okay. That helped me. You're welcome. Okay. Well, yeah. Maybe you know it. Maybe you don't. Well, think about it. Answers will be at the end, like usual. We'll be right back.

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1:37:22But yeah, so if you're interested in something that has nothing to do with tech, but we thought was so funny. A little bit. Just a little bit of tech. A little. We thought it was so good, we just had to include it. And if not, we'll see you at Trivia. I was going to say, what makes you a good horseback rider? How do you... Ask Olivia. She actually does. Was it the trick one or the racing one? Equestrian. There's a bunch of different... There's a couple. There's like different... One of the equestrians is like jumping. I think it's called Hunter. What's the one? John Oliver calls like fancy prancing it's like horse dancing there's one of those also but then there's racing but that's the horse doing the stuff but you have to teach him to do the rider it's the car doing the stuff in F1 if you have a steering wheel on a horse there's a brain in there there's a steering wheel there's probably more of a brain in an F1 car than a horse at this point that's a hilarious debate how much skill what takes more skill driving a car or equestrian olivia is a horseback rider i'm gonna i would like to ask her how much skill there is translating from the jockey to the horse like could you throw an average jockey into the best horse and that horse is still gonna win or is it the jockey that's doing the work i think some of the jumps they do are crazy and like to be able to be a an athlete on a horse of that caliber is also very hard i guess like is there a number one jockey is there a tiger well also jockey is only racing i believe i think it's just like sure but even if we just leave it in that like is there is there an argument to be made that the jockey matters so much that there is like i think and more from great britain is currently the number one i think jockeying a big thing of that is also just being as light as possible because you're shaving off time whereas That's also true about F1 drivers.

1:39:13Fun fact, they're all like small. George Russell and Alex Albon are like over six feet tall. That's why they never podium. If you put... Russell just podiumed while almost dying last week. Uh-oh. Not almost dying. He was just very sick and... If you put Max Verstappen... On a horse. In the 10th best car. Yeah. No, no. This is definitely a debate. How much better? I think Marquez might have won because I'm reading an article called horse racings LeBron James question mark and they're talking about a horse but you guys are all talking you guys are all talking about racing though uh okay which this whole conversation started in equestrian which is different I think that's even more important in equestrian I think racing is the is the place where you could argue most for the jockey I agree because I think in the others it's like that the jockey has skill or that the jockey doesn't matter that jockey has skill yeah i'd argue the jockey has less weight in horse dancing if you have an ugly horse you're gonna lose yeah right like that how it works we need to bring lill olivia on the podcast this is a horse podcast now conversation explain it in tech terms i think we can all agree the most skill for horse sport based on the rider is polo because that the rider actually has to be yeah not only controlling the horse based on different things live but also hitting okay Here's something to think about.

1:40:35In horse racing, you can win without actually crossing the line. The horse can cross the line without the rider, and you still win. Is that true? Mm-hmm. I don't know that. So, like, right at the end, could you just launch yourself off the horse and give it an extra propeller? There's a YouTube clip of somebody, like, having a collision, falling off the horse, and the horse just goes, well, f***, I have way less weight now, and winning the race. And that was the winner. No way. That was the winner. So, why is anyone riding these horses? Could you make the argument that that means the jockeys are important?

1:41:07Because then if they, everybody would just jump off the horse off the start to be lighter. Yeah. But then the horse, yeah. Wouldn't know where to go. Do the horses know where to go? Or is it just that one horse? Maybe that horse is so well trained. It's like, I got to win. I got to do this. Or maybe it's just a coincidence. Maybe. Man, I hope Lane doesn't ride horses. She likes them so much right now. I'm so scared. If I put you on the world's fastest LeBron James horse or an F1 car, which one would you be more scared? I have a much better chance on the horse. Really? Much better chance on the horse.

1:41:39Oh, I disagree. I'd be way more scared on the horse. Way more scared on the horse. Have you ever seen someone fall off a horse? It's terrifying. No, it's terrifying. At least in the F1 car, you could go your own pace and not kill yourself. Like the horse, that horse will end your life. I think if you put me on the horse and you put me in the F1 car and you say, which one do you have the best chance of like winning or podiuming? It's easily the horse. No way. Easily. No way. I am never podiuming in an F1 race ever. You're never podiuming? You're never podiuming? I'm just hanging on. I don't think I'm, I think there is a sliver of a chance.

1:42:16How many times have you ridden a horse before? Five, I don't know. All right, so you're not podiuming in either of these things. but I think you have a better chance of coming out of this whole experience alive in the F1 car than the horse than a roided up super horse are you kidding me? I don't think you're hanging on Marquez you're like 6 '5 it is hard but Marquez does have really good quad strength like strap me on to the back of the horse well you don't get strapped on you have to hold yourself on you're a pretty good driver i think you could handle you could you know every lap go a little faster get the feel of the car you'd have people in your radio telling you what to do blowing the doors off i think i think in the f1 car you you might not even you you might finish i think if you got i think i have a better chance of killing myself in the f1 car i really don't dude especially on like a on a horse race track where it's an oval and the horse is going full speed the entire time you have no chance to adjust to calibrate yourself if it makes like a hard turn you're just flying off you're falling off that shouldn't but there's way more hard turns in f1 but you're in a car but you're harnessed and you've you've done hard turns in a car before not like oh i think that's i think it's way different but he could do the the turn at whatever pace he wanted to you know what i mean marquez yeah well i think it's not fair to do well i guess in straight up not dying yes but i don't i don't think it's a fair comparison of like him on a horse and him I'm just like in an F1 car, like basically letting it like roll down.

1:43:54Which one do I have a better chance of not coming in last? I think you're going to die on the horse. I think I don't. I think that is the. I think if the horse could come in second to last place pace and I'd be okay. Okay. And an F1, I just don't see my, unless there's DNFs. I don't think I come in second to last place ever in an F1 race. I still think you have a better chance in a car. i think the reason he has a better chance on a horse is based on the probability of like somehow he does just hang on the entire time i don't yeah i think he has zero chance of beating i just need to know how jockeys train i know what f1 drivers do and i know how hard what they do is i have no idea how hard what a jockey does i'm not trying to disrespect f1 drivers i totally get that that is like one of the most elite niche activities you can participate in but i'm just saying marquez brownlee right now you're plucked out of the studio and you are put either in an f1 car on a starting grid right now or you are put on the back of a championship quality horse yeah i'm in the i'm on the horse or i'm in the red bull f1 car yeah you're a smart guy you're a careful guy you would you would i agree i agree with you on this you're on that horse the light the light goes you are about to experience things that you can't believe i would like to see marquez because He is probably almost twice the height of most jockeys.

1:45:14I know. Yeah. How much does a jockey weigh? Like 100 pounds? 110 pounds? Average jockeys stand between 4 '10", 5 '6", and weigh between 108 and 118. Wow. That's so specific. I will figure this out later, how jockeys train. Yeah, no. We need to ask Olivia this time. I need to ask Michelle. We need to just send her this last 20 minutes and see if she continues to work with us after that. This is the intro. Well, that was a fun conversation. I'm very much looking forward to the comments but I think we should probably get to trivia yeah let's do it there's a lot for people to comment about I think so we did all the phones we spoke about F1 and horses I just want to say there's a lot my disdain for horses are just because of how much my family's life revolved around horses as a kid and how much our family car smelled like horse poop all of the time I don't actually hate horses that much I will say shout out to my sister Simone she did have a brief obsession with horses and luckily that did end eventually it's an expensive hobby it is so expensive i have something smells like horse poop because my attention was brought to a reddit thread about me uh not being able to afford a phone uh first of all stop pocket watching second of all uh that is not what i meant to say what i meant to say was i did not feel that any of the upgrades I would get on my current phone justify$1 ,000.

1:46:41And you're also excited for the folding phone, which you think is going to be soon. Yes. And I don't trust Apple trade in values enough to buy a phone for$1 ,000 now, only to buy a phone for$2 ,000 next year. $3 ,000, Adam whispered in my ear. But these are all speculation. We don't know anything. But you know what I know that they might know? what is the name of the tool included in most iFixit kits that is used to be wedged between the screen and the phone and rip that bad boy off hit it I wrote what I think you also wrote I wrote what you definitely wrote but I kind of don't think that's it I can't think of anything else though I can't think of any other silly names except for this one who says it has to be silly I am Yeah, that was part of the question.

1:47:33The way Alice asked the question implied that it is kind of a funny name. I have to cover my bottom answer. Can you just erase it and remember what it is? Sure. All right. Let's flip those boys around. And you're both correct. It is called a spudger. And now, Andrew, tell me about how wrong I am. I thought the little guitar picks were the thing that helps. That's a spudger. No. The spudger, I thought, was the long thing with the flat piece at the end of it. You're right. I thought the little guitar picks were like you use the suction cup to kind of pop it enough, and then the guitar picks go in and cut out the adhesive.

1:48:12I don't know what those are called, but the long skinny thing that you stick in there. So I thought that was for popping off all the ribbon cable. That also you use to push the display up, and then you also use the pick to help cut the adhesive. but i thought the pick yeah i thought you used the spudger to wedge it up and then the picks just hold it in the wedge like you stick those in there i thought the suction cup thing pulled the screen up enough and then you jam the pick in and then you would like pull one of the or like you know scrape it along to take all the adhesive then leave it in like you said then do the other side and then maybe i guess you use that's funny i thought this was trivia yeah i thought this was a horse all right well we both got it right if my grandmother had wheels uh so one thing that we have to mention also Andrew in the bonus episode last week two weeks ago whenever that was time is a lie to go watch it you asked a question that Marquez got right and Ellis and I thought you were joking and didn't give him a point but you really want to give him the point I think you should get the point all right I posed it as a question for David or Marquez to get a point without me being eligible for it so then there's a point for Marquez I should get a point for being generous charity so nice of you so with that point quick update on the score Marquez now with six Andrew with eight and David TBD because we're going to call him later Alright, question number two What was the name of the mannequin in the driver's seat of the roadster that got shot into space?

1:49:39This would be crazy if I got a pop culture reference I know, it's so funny because it's not that far away from an era of music that I just don't listen to any David Bowie, like at all So you hate horses and you don't listen to David Bowie That's crazy.

1:49:57I don't even, I don't have an answer. You don't have any answer? All right. Just write any David Bowie song. Here they are. Name one David Bowie song. I can't name a single other David Bowie song, but I do think it's this one. What'd you write? Is it Rocket Man? No. That's the joke that I said before, though, that Elton John referencing. Is that an Elton John song? That is an Elton John song. I take it all back. what is the name you said nothing i said nothing all right well that's also wrong the name was starman stop that's what it is close you got you said rocket man i was half right oh man yeah you got the man part dang i thought yeah okay i bet david gets that one i'm very excited to see if he gets that right or not but anyway lots of stuff that you guys could leave comments about how wrong we are about the budget phone of the year the small phone of the year horses how hard it is to ride horses or drive f1 cars many things that i'm sure you guys will light us up about i did not say driving f1 cars are easy i just want to say so everyone's worried about how they're i'm worried about how my mom's gonna call me after this and say how mean i was to horses just think i just think you know you still have the pedals and the steering wheel in an f1 car the horse does is gonna do what it's gonna do if you're dropped anyway how hard could it be please sign off thanks for watching and uh hey next episode is correct me if I'm wrong Techtober right you're right next episode's Techtober it is well are we we record on the first day of Techtober alright so see you guys in Techtober peace goodbye Waveform is produced by Adam Alina and Ellis Roffin we're part of the Vox Media Podcast Network and our traditional music was created by Vane Silk woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo

1:51:46David

1:51:50I didn't have the question yet Welcome to Waveform Trivia, David Where in the world are you? I am in the French Alps She's rubbing it in, why don't you? Well, I'm in New Jersey You asked me a question Well, I'm going to ask you another question Specifically About iFixit toolkits because on this episode of the Waveform Podcast, we talked a little bit about iFixit. iFixit toolkits typically come with a tool that has a very silly name. This tool is used to pry the screen off of phones. What is this tool called, David? Oh, is it called the prior tool? It is not called the prior tool. We can't cut the music, So we're just going to have to let you stew in the wrong answer The correct answer was the spudger Oh, I wouldn't have got that at all I'm now going to turn it over to my co-host, Adam Molina Hello, Adam Molina Hello, David and Mel Next question I don't know if you saw in the Slack, but Marquez cancelled his Roadster order So we were talking Roadster in this episode when it was launched into space there was a mannequin in the driver's seat what was the name of that mannequin there was a name here's the hint that Marquez gave Andrew in the room the name of the mannequin is the same as the name of a David Bowie song this did not help either of them but there is a David Bowie song yeah Yeah.

1:53:37Um, geez. I know this. Hold on. You're going to need to flip that mental board, David. Flip it. Flip it. I'm trying to flip it because I literally know this. Oh. Hold on. I didn't run out of time. I didn't run out of time. No, it's... You ran out of time. Yeah, you guys ran out of time. It's... Come on, David. Ziggy Stardust Nope that's a guy It's Starman

1:54:15Isn't Ziggy Stardust a David Bowie song? I think it's a nickname of David Bowie's Or an alter ego of sorts Thanks for playing Thanks for playing this episode of Waypoint Trivia I'm 100 % sure David you scored Zero points keeping you In last place with three points Enjoy France Enjoy France We'll see you next week We miss you dearly It's not the same without you I'm getting some Aw that's cute I'll bring back some panoramas for you guys You know what happened while you were gone David The entire third The entire third segment Of this week's episode is about horses

1:54:58We cut an interview with James Cameron Because the horse conversation Was so extra that's incredible i love that that deserves to happen enjoy your vacation we miss you enjoy we'll see you soon peace thank you see you soon bye blockchain is reshaping every aspect of society starting with finance it's happening across industries across sectors and across the world and it's happening with ripple with more than a decade of blockchain experience, over 60 licenses, and strong institutional trust, Ripple provides financial institutions with blockchain and crypto-powered solutions across payment and digital custody applications.

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