Meta’s AI Vision..for your Face!

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43:51Let's talk about the meta event that happened this week as well, because the Techtember will just not stop. Let's talk about the meta event that happened this week. What? What comes first? What comes first? Meta. What do I do first? What do I do first? Meta. What do I do first? Okay. Yeah, we'll talk about it. Here's what happened. Meta had an event where they announced all of the latest from their AI smart glasses lineup. and the event itself was pretty brutal to watch the products are actually kind of interesting and what happened was i went out there to menlo park i was just there yesterday uh as of the day of recording and i got demos of all the products i got to try them i got to form my own opinions on them i had a lot of interesting thoughts i had some conversations as well with people who worked on them and i came away thinking wow they are really moving quickly on this stuff we had that orion demo less than a year ago and they were like these are too expensive to ship but this is what it could look like in the future and now suddenly we're actually getting to buy for 799 a meta ray band display which has a single uh really high res 5000 nit display on the right side with the wave guides and it will show things to you in the glasses that nobody else can see and that's a real thing that's happening i thought that was pretty fast and then you watch the event and they to their credit tried to do a lot of live demos that's really hard to do in general in the tech world especially with new unreleased stuff and with this stuff with all the wi-fi in the room and with the internet not being very good and with a buggy product in general yeah allegedly yeah it well it was really really tough to watch because it didn't work and they kept hammering it home and trying over and over again, and it was clear that it was live, to their credit, but it was very poorly demoed on stage.

45:38So I came away thinking the Delta in how I feel about the product with just my hands-on experience versus the event was colossal. So there's basically three new glasses products that we can go over. There's the Ray-Ban display, but there's also an Oakley collab called the Vanguard, and then just the second gen of the Ray-Ban metas. Probably easiest to just start there. You guys have seen the Ray-Ban metas, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Do you guys like them? I think that they are more functional than people anticipated originally because the video quality is actually very good. And people have used it for a lot of POV stuff.

46:14And I know a number of normies that actually use it for POV stuff. Sure. That is exactly what I was hoping you would say because the only thing people actually use these glasses for is the camera. Is POV videos. The other thing you can use them for is to listen to music or talk to the meta AI or have it look at your world and answer questions about your world. Or even if you have a visual impairment, it can be your eyes and describe what it's seeing. There's lots of other functionality. But the main thing that people use it for is POV because it's a camera on your face. Unfortunately, only vertical video.

46:48Yeah. Yeah. So the second generation of this gets longer battery life and gets a better camera, 3K videos up to 60 FPS. And it has a couple extra features like conversational focus mode, which as you're talking to someone will use the beamforming mics to boost the volume of that dialogue into your ears. Which is cool. Which is nice. I think it was the coolest thing I think that they had at the whole freaking event. Yeah. Assuming you're in a loud scenario. Or even just for people who are hard of hearing. Like that is so clutch. Exactly. I will say my brain has trouble when I'm in a loud environment and I'm trying to talk to somebody like distinguishing all the noises and I can get really overwhelmed pretty easily if there's like tons of different audio sources coming at me.

47:30So if it was easier to focus on one, I think that would help me. Did you get to test this? Yeah. I think that's the idea. Because I was going to say like I'm interested in the input lag between it and then like hearing the voice and hearing it through. It's not, they're not bone conduction, right? They're just a speaker kind of above the ear. Yep. Yep. Yeah. So I think right into your ear canal. Yeah, these are going to be the same price. They're going to look the same. They just have upgraded internals, and we'll do that and have longer battery life. So that's all good. Those are available now.

47:55Those are right away. Cool. Okay. Then they have the Oakley Vanguard collab, which is like even more sports-focused version. They move the camera, which is still the new 3K camera, to the middle between your eyes, and it's this Oakley-like wraparound sunglasses look with a bunch of different colors. Yeah. They look kind of sick sometimes, I guess. and they have much improved microphones so in much louder wind noise it can still hear you say hey Meta start a video or whatever video recording you're doing it can still hear what's happening in front of you. It'll also do slow-mo. It'll also do hyperlapse.

48:32It's stabilized also. Stabilization. IP67. So those are going to be$4.99 9 hours of battery life and available in October. Yeah they also plug into Garmin if you're a big garmin person and they plug into strava and that was my favorite feature about these yeah because a couple i think two years ago we ran into brooklyn half yeah and we were planning to do a studio video on it yeah and i remember every mile i was taking my phone out recording myself with my friend and then by like mile nine that's not where my head was i forgot that everything i was supposed to be recording i was just trying not to die so like if these glasses would just like automatically record every mile and then do a hyperlapse yeah that's really freaking one of the biggest features It can take the run expecting you to do, record it at certain points in the run, and you can also overlay your Garmin or Strava statistics on that video at those things.

49:23And it said it would even like pull it up and put them all together, I think, which is, yeah, it's basically doing everything for you for a whole run. It's got much louder speakers. So there's six, they're six decibels louder than the other Oakley glasses. They launched like, what, six months ago, they launched that other Oakley collab, probably last four months ago or so. They have lights on the sides, which can kind of help you keep on your pace target if you're trying to stay at a certain speed. They have nine hours of battery life. They put the control buttons underneath the arms of the glasses because they were thinking about people who run with hats or if they're biking.

49:58You know, you have a helmet. You don't want to be able to press it down. There's also another extra button. There's an action button that's customizable. So there's a capture button and then there's like a smaller button next to it that you can make it do slow-mo or whatever action you want it to. Yeah. So I live in Brooklyn. I see people running constantly. I see people running with these Oakley wraparounds constantly. And I just know these are going to explode. I think these are going to be the best-selling ones. These are going to be insane. They're$500. So they're expensive, but they're cheaper than the meta display, which we'll get to shortly.

50:29and the fact that it plugs into all of the most popular running and exercise culture apps i think is a really big deal this feels like new gopro to me right now like the thing that you buy because you think what you're doing is super interesting and you want to get a bunch of recordings of it hey gopro was wildly successful with this yeah and like show a bunch of people who are insane athletes i mean they literally use red bull athletes in there which feels about as synonymous as gopros you can get in terms of like capturing extreme sports but i think a lot of people are going to buy these um because of stuff like that and then probably just have them as sunglasses later that plays music because they realize they don't want to record everything yeah yeah uh so the camera has 122 degree field of view it can do 3k video for three minutes it can do 1080p 60 for three minutes it can do 1080p 30 for five minutes and then 720p 120 fps slow motion which is uh which is interesting yeah i mean on your note of the gopro this is a much i would way rather just wear glasses while i was like snowboarding that i already needed to wear because it's super bright out versus like strapping something to my chest yeah it's a lot easier it automatically syncs so it cannot it can automatically upload the video to like your strava when you finish your exercise um yeah i think there's gonna be very very popular and there's a lot of features in here that i didn't expect that i think are actually very useful yeah so to me this really confirms that one of the best uses for it is the camera that's on your face.

51:59Yeah. Because there's so much built around it and how it works now. Did you catch, we already talked about how like two live demos went wrong, but I'm convinced the third one did that wrapped up this whole event, which was Mark saying, we have one more live demo, comes out with Diplo to go for a run to the after party, and he like puts the sunglasses on, they wave to everyone, they leave, and then he's getting in this group with a bunch of other runners. Also, Hela was there. Shout out, Hela. Great guy. He was part of the video for this anyway. And then Mark just takes the glasses off and flips them upside down and looks at them a couple times.

52:32And then they all just run with a camera on a car following them. I'm convinced it was supposed to be the walk-in. Supposed to have the overlay maybe? Well, no. Remember in the walk-in we saw from his point of view when he came onto the stage? I think he was supposed to leave similar to that. Like running. And we were supposed to get a feed of the glasses. But the Wi-Fi again. That's really cool. Damn Wi-Fi, screwing everything up. We keep mentioning Wi-Fi because a lot of the live demos failed for anyone who didn't see those. Yeah, and he blamed it on the Wi-Fi. It was like I was waiting for him to just - It was not a Wi-Fi problem.

53:00I was waiting for him to yell at everyone like Steve Jobs and say, get off your computer so we can make this work. Yeah, yeah. So anyway, that brings us to the last of the products, which is the$800 full-on meta Ray-Ban display. Not the most clever name, but what's happening here is there is now a single monocular display on the right-hand side that's just off center of your field of view and is really bright and will show you things. And before we get into that, I want to totally unrelated mention that Samsung just started showing ads on all of its refrigerators. Totally unrelated. Unrelated?

53:39Totally unrelated. Anyway, we can talk about the display in front of your eyes at 24-7 now. Hopefully there's no ads coming to this. but yeah so if the main use of the meta ray-bans was having a camera on your face and being able to talk to ai then this i think became interesting because it unlocks a bunch of other way bigger capabilities than just the regular ones uh the number one probably is being able to frame your photos and videos because you have the viewfinder so you can really line up and actually frame your shot. And see it after you take it. And see it after you take it. But then the other interesting thing is there's a control band that is paired with these glasses.

54:25It's the little EMG band that's on your wrist that we showed from the Meta Orion demo. They're calling it the Meta Neural Band. Yeah. And it's productized now. It's nice and fabric-y and has like a magnetic strap and like slaps onto the back of your wrist. and that can read all of the neurons firing through your wrist and all the gestures that you're doing to control the UI in this display that you see. So you can do things like open up a map, navigate somewhere, and see the navigation instructions with a live moving compass to know where you should turn next. Can I ask a very specific question that's based on how you described that that our viewers can't see?

55:05you were describing it and you were looking up all the demos made it feel like it's kind of bottom right corner to me where like where is it in your vision down and to the right a little bit and what was really interesting remember orion you could like i could look at you and see that you're looking at something because it was like lights were on not a hint of that at all really absolutely no light leak i can see that's crazy but this is also specific where orion was full field of view like in front of you too totally so yeah different tech double versus a single lens. But that was still cool that I could be reading something and you would never know.

55:39Another thing you can do, live transcribe or live translate whoever's talking to you. That seems very helpful. Super, super interesting and potentially useful. I could be talking to you in, again, a loud room, and it would use the beamforming mics to understand that I'm looking at the person in front of me and to put the text, the subtext from what that person is saying on the glasses. So it could be super loud and I did a demo of this and it worked very very well and then I turned around and a different person talked to me in this loud room and it stopped listening to that person and started subtitling the person in front of me and didn't listen to my voice because it's obviously coming from me so that's really cool the translation part could also be awesome I think that was cool this seems like to me the better way of doing that versus the like delayed audio coming back at you because you just get subtitles but this is something to have a full conversation both parties need to have yeah if it was two different languages well yeah presumably you would be doing it in two right like if i can't if i don't understand spanish i'm probably not going to read it and then speak it back yeah right no the subtitles were also for english like you could just use you can just use them for your own language yeah oh okay that's nice which is cool it would be really nice to travel through another country with this because it would just be a lot easier to understand people yeah understand but then you can't communicate yeah you can't communicate I just want this for my everyday life.

57:01Say a sentence, put the glasses on. Take the glasses back. I already watch all my movies with subtitles, so why not realize? Could I watch a movie and it could put the subtitles but slightly below the TV screen so now the subtitles aren't in the TV? Wow. Yeah. Deconstructed. It's all the rage right now. Yeah. Okay, you can also view your messages. You can take video calls, which they tried to do a demo of on stage that did not work. I got one to work. How did that feel? So again, it's a small bottom right hand, not corner, but lower right hand area of your glasses view. But it's color. It's decently sharp.

57:42It's legible. And if I turn my camera on, the person on the other side of the call can see what I'm seeing. So I did do a video call. It worked. You can text, which is pretty good with your voice. But I also did a demo of the handwriting. Yeah. Unbelievably good. Yeah, so this demo actually did work live on stage really quickly and really accurately. And effectively what it looked like was you had the band on and you just write as if you have a pencil in your hand. And it knows exactly what you're writing. Quickly and accurately. Shockingly so. I could be texting someone like this with my hand in my lap and you would never know.

58:18And every single letter I'm writing, I'm just literally writing the letter in plain English. How's your handwriting? Fine, I think. I'd break the shit out of this thing. That's a good test. we should do a handwriting test version but yes uh wow i picked it up super quickly it's not using the camera feed at all it's just using the neural input crazy that i was shocked by how good that demo was like how good that tech has gotten in the year since we tried it only message through whatsapp because i know you can only do the video calls through whatsapp yeah so okay here's the here's the downside to this i don't know anyone that uses whatsapp this this is a meta product and it is a new platform that does use your phone to connect to the internet but does sort of exist in a separate world where you're not really taking your phone out your pocket.

59:04So the philosophy is it needs all of its own first party actions. If you're messaging someone, it is through WhatsApp because Meta owns WhatsApp. If you are scrolling through social media, it is Instagram because they could just built in Instagram feeds. The music, they have a partnership with Spotify. So it was doing it through that. the maps were mapping services that they built in right so they not google maps it's not google maps this is data that they've borrowed that is probably not going to be super real time and probably not going to have great traffic data or anything like that but they have a map service built in and so they have all this stuff built on platform and ideally that's the stuff you use oh but i don't so trying to just get people into this like magical meta ecosystem i don't i think it's kind of it kind of feels like they're trying to force you into using meta services but also i think by design has to have its own stuff like if you rely on the phone but the phone manufacturers will never give you full like api access to use you know i message or like data from all of the stuff going into the phone you have to build stuff that doesn't depend on the phone yeah so they just have their own services it's frustrating it's fair but as a consumer you basically just told me i can't text message or video call on it yeah because that is whatsapp exactly and i don't feel like i mean we're in america yeah this will be popular in europe i guess yeah yeah so if you want to text people or video chat people it will be with whatsapp yeah so that's a bummer here but a lot of people listen to this are like yeah i use whatsapp that's great so all this stuff because of the display is much more useful i think the maps are super useful i think the viewfinder is super useful i think live translation and and transcriptions of subtitling the world is super useful and all that is enabled by having a little display component to this which is really cool can you give me a uh size approximation approximation between like regular meta ray bands which are already a little thicker than ray bands and like orions that we try is right split the difference i think split it they are definitely thicker than regular meta ray bands still seems too thick for everyday use impressive that it fit in there i'll still say that about bro Ryan, very impressive.

1:01:16Too thick for everyday glasses. Yeah. You know, I was wearing them for a couple hours when I was doing my demos and shooting all my footage and I, they're plastic. And like, I found myself like they were definitely weighted very well, but they're also, they're 69 grams. And yep, that's what I said. And they, they're just a little too heavy for me to wear them and not think about them. I can wear the basic Ray-Bans and not think about them. These just have a little bit extra compute, a little bit more with the projector and the wave guide and all that and it's just a little too heavy they uh they unfortunately also mentioned you can watch instagram reels on them and uh yeah that's how you know we're headed down a dark path so you remember the wally clip we've all seen the wally yeah you can literally sit back and just and do have the gesture with the emg wristband and just Mark has opened your mouth just a little farther.

1:02:09Yeah. And you can just be in your own world, and no one can see that that's what you're doing. You look like a guy spaced out with his glasses on looking at the sky, but you are flipping through and actively watching Instagram. And all the clips are AI generated with VO3. I wasn't sure. I haven't made this video yet, but I wasn't sure if that's how I want to intro or exit this video. Both. Are you, like, genuinely, are you okay? Are you okay with, because when I was on Metacampus, lots of people wearing fixed-framed glasses everywhere, and I just instinctively was like, you guys are all wearing cameras on your faces.

1:02:42Are you cool with having a conversation with someone and seeing their eyes drift a little bit to the side and not knowing if they are watching something, reading something? Or if they got an ad. If they got a call. Like, what are they looking at? Are you cool with that? I already get anxious enough with my phone buzzing in my pocket when I'm out with friends. I don't need notifications coming in the side of, I mean, if I ever use these, I'm gonna turn everything off. is this worse than checking your smartwatch in the middle of a conversation? That was the argument, is that yes, it's better. I don't think it's better.

1:03:14It's better because they don't know. It's better if the other person does know. I don't want to not know that you're not paying attention to me. I guess it's from both sides. From the other person's side, if you see me pull my phone out of my pocket and check it or look at my smartwatch, that is worse than if I'm having a conversation with you. And it looks like I'm kind of looking at you, but I'm actually reading something. I'm reliving my trauma from my mother. I don't need that. I don't need more of that, Marquez. It's the same. It's just less of a chance they notice. So that's just like, I think that's just as bad.

1:03:46You might just get away with it. There was a lot of lines in the keynote and from Zuck and from Boz and just about like being more present and not taking your phone out all the time. And there are maybe valid instances of that. Like, oh, you're on a hike and you see this really pretty view off the side of the mountain. Do you take your phone out of your bag and take a picture or do you just boop and move on? Or like for maps, I get that. Or for maps, yeah, you're in. I think they're cool. I think there's plenty of reasons that this is neat. Yeah, but Instagram reels. Yeah, exactly. And the fact that you can't even see it.

1:04:18The pitch is being more present, but you can easily be way less present. Right. So it's double-sided. Isn't that how everything is sold to us, though? And that's the financial incentive of Meta, right? Like their whole business model is based on engagement. So the more time you can spend scrolling while being present, the more it works. Every tech company that tells you this is how we make you more present is just trying to sell you a thing so they can make you way less present in everything. Well, it's also like Meta has tried to make a phone before. Like we can't skip over that smartphones are dominant and they tried to make phones.

1:04:52Yeah. And that's failed several times. Now they're moving on and they've renamed themselves Meta and they're very concerned with the metaverse. and they want this next technology to be post-phone. And the only way to do that is to sell you on this being better than your phone and slowly weaning you off your phone. They'll never replace the phone. Maybe someday, maybe you'll move on. Yeah, not, well, everything that it can do is in their own little ecosystem. I was gonna ask, did they say anything about opening it up to app developers? Opening what up? The glasses. Like the glasses, being able to video call Like the first iPhone didn't have an app store, right?

1:05:29So like it was all things Apple 8. And then when the app store hit, it was like a big explosion. Are there plans for that with this? You know, I had some conversations and I'm probably, maybe we can pull that in with Boz, where he talked about like the first few generations of it have to be first party. And then once you've gotten people to embrace the platform, then you can start like adding other things. So hearing that sounds like, yes, they plan on having other apps and having APIs and things. where developers can make cool stuff for the glasses, but they know they need to have their own first-party stuff working and useful out the box, like the first-gen iPhone.

1:06:06I guess that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I guess Meta wanted to make the metaverse and be the next generation of the internet, but that totally failed. So now they're like, now we can be this. They opened this event. Yeah, they opened it with that. Our goal is to build great-looking glasses that deliver personal superintelligence and a feeling of presence using realistic holograms, and these ideas combined are what we call the metaverse. They haven't forgot, David. Okay, Zuck. I forgot. Zuck just rebranded the Metaverse again because they changed their company name to Meta and they need to make it work still.

1:06:33I had to write that down. When I heard it, I was like, I need to write that down. I'm like, that's not what you said the Metaverse was two years ago. Ten years later, they're like, we're making an e-scooter and it's the Metaverse. This whole time, we knew. Yeah, ads on your fridge. So I am interested to try these out. these are going to be$800, which is a lot of money. $800 is expensive. It's a whole phone. It's very expensive. It's an iPhone Air. The Air is$1 ,000. It's an iPhone 17. 17. That's what we're on. But it is augmented by your phone. So it uses your phone's connection. It's definitely a loss leader device.

1:07:14They're probably losing money on this. Yeah, but they want to get it in. At least on the hardware. But they're getting it back. Dude, if you can scroll Instagram Reels on that thing, dude, think about how. And then also just like think about how much data they could collect. Yeah. I know. And especially once they ship the EMG bracelet. Dude. Yeah. Well, the EMG bracelet comes with it. Yeah. Oh, it's part of it. It ships with it. Yeah. When I read the press release, it said not for sale, but I guess I meant individually. Like it does come with the. Yeah, bro. Like think about when you're on Instagram.

1:07:49I don't know. Yeah. I know. This is going to be like a cash cow for them, assuming people actually adopt it. This is why I removed all the social media from my phone before this happened. Okay, so they get up to six hours of mixed-use battery life or 30 hours with the charging case, which is collapsible. That was cool. Yeah. It's like a little origami foldable charging case. I'm sorry to say the case is fire. It is incredible. So the case has battery in it that charges the glasses? Yes. And it gets it up to 30 hours? Yeah. It's pretty cool looking. Isn't that sick? Yeah. The case is 5x battery charge and also folds flat in one second flat.

1:08:22That's crazy. It's kind of awesome. It's pretty sweet. I have footage of me folding it on my first try, and I was like, this is the greatest case ever. Yeah. It's pretty sick. It is interesting. I think Meta is the company that is going to be able to advance this category faster just because they're more invested in it because it's their whole thing now. Google would make more sense from an app ecosystem perspective, also Apple, but it's going to take them a lot longer because it's not their priority. yeah meta has to make this their yeah meta has to make it their thing and be kind of first and flashy with it i'm hyped for like the third version of this or the fourth where it's like regular glasses and like a ring like a ring instead of a wristband yeah i think the wristband is the specific tech because it's also a little bit fashion or they make a smartwatch like it's a piece of tech that you're wearing they can make a smartwatch that has the the thing built in maybe but i think the you know they've been developing it specifically around the wrist for so long that I think it has to be the wrist.

1:09:17But I talked to them again, I was like, okay, so this is a piece of tech that people have to wear on their face and on their body. It has to be considered in some way, fashion. Like you have to make it look good and presentable. And they've done a good job of that. I think when you guys see the band, it looks pretty normal. Meta brought back the nineties. We now have slap bracelets and transition lenses again. Oh yeah. These are also transition lenses by the way, which. Yeah, unfortunately. It's one of those things where you try to do two things. If you try to do two things in one device, it does both of them badly.

1:09:45Yeah, the transition lenses on these metaglasses are not very good. I don't know. The transitions on my metaray bands right now are pretty good. Are they? They're never good sunglasses. But they're really good clear. I think that means they're bad. They're bad at transitioning. Sunglasses though? They're bad at the thing that protects your eyes. If they're good at being clear, that means they're good at doing nothing. No, I guess a two-in-one is usually bad at both. You're saying they're good at being clear but they're actually good at being clear. are bad at being sunglasses at least there's something there's there's yeah i'm curious who ends up purchasing these but um yeah are you going to review all of them i think i would like to use the vanguards for recording pov uh either frisbee but also autofocus for driving you want to jump off a mountain and maybe yeah maybe action sports gopro stuff the type that you'd like you know put a action camera on your chest your forehead for that type of stuff and then i i think i'm gonna keep waiting as far as uh smart glasses because i think based on how much i use their services the google one will be better for me if it's the the android xr experience where it's like plugged into your android phone this is the advantage of google it's like they have a smartphone operating system they can make a plug in just work yeah It's going to work better with the stuff that's on your phone, and I think that's going to work better for me.

1:11:15So instead of trying to shoehorn my life into WhatsApp and - Like really test it? Yeah, I think the Google one's going to be better for me. But it's not out yet, so we'll see. Daddy Google can have my data instead of Daddy Meta. I mean, they already have all my data. Yeah, that's a lot of smarts, but also a lot of data. I mean, that's a lot of smarts, but also a lot of data. Exactly. Well, speaking of smarts, trivia. Thanks. That was good. thank you very much better than my previous one side note before ellis tells this uh very great question my favorite part of the bonus episode was when we came back with a guest and ellis just stared at the camera for like five full seconds for audio listeners that's probably gonna be confusing it's definitely confusing but editing it i was cracking up so definitely go watch that anyway can we give that a proper announcement there's if you're i mean if you're on youtube yeah we did where was i oh whatever who cares where are we uh guys i have a new trivia question which it's always really, really, really hard to write trivia questions about meta because every single piece of like historical, you know, list about meta is just hundreds of pages of lawsuits.

1:12:25But when you weed through the lawsuits, you can find some really interesting stuff. For example, the stuff that forms this question, which of the following two meta products was shut down first? These are former meta products. Product one is called Lasso. I've never heard of this. It was a TikTok competitor, a vertical video sort of thing aimed at teenagers. Shocker. The second best. It's horrible. And it's called Lasso? Yeah, to rope them in. It's a rope them in. A rope them in. Not transparent at all. That can't be real. No, these are both real. Our next product is called Brain Damage. The next one is called Libra.

1:13:05It was renamed DM at a certain point. This is a Facebook cryptocurrency that the US government and the EU and the Swedish government or the Swiss government all said no. So which one of these was shut down in an earlier year? I am not asking for which one lasted longer. I am asking the shutdown year of each of these. Which one was first? Do you want to be cool if Waveform just had one collective no to any technology company once a year? What do you mean? You're just saying like they all we got to say we just got to say no to something like the power of these people's be like no you can't do that.

1:13:44Yeah waveform should get one collective. That should be a part of the waveform awards. That's good. Like our no of the year. Our no of the year. 23 and me. Anyway. We'll be right back. Private equity.

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1:16:30All right, welcome back. We have heard rumors of a Rivian e-bike for a little while. In fact, RJ kind of confirmed but not confirmed it on a Daniel Tosh podcast episode, which is a good listen if you haven't listened to it. It's pretty funny. It's a weird mix of words. It was a weird mix of words. It is the 90s. um micah toll from electric just went through one of the teaser videos i think on instagram because i can't find this teaser video but apparently the new company named also that just claims they were making a new um electric vehicle of some sort uh they posted this teaser where a bunch of people are riding around on the new e-bike but has this big blur on it so you can't see what it looks like at all well michael went on um and went frame by frame and there's multiple frames where they just missed blurring the bike completely so now we have the bike here it is it's silly looking looks like it looks like those compact bikes that like fold up where like the wheels are very small and you kind of ride a bit higher off of them this better have amazing specs because i've seen so many e-bikes that are like that question they're designed to look like they're not e-bikes so they have a pretty compact battery like in the post that are pretty hidden so it just looks like a normal bike this does not look like a normal bike why is there a man in a penguin suit let's go i think the whole video i think was very like whimsical about things but it is very funny that we're just looking at a leak of a man in a penguin suit holding a bike on a tennis court yeah it's got a huge box it's got a huge box by the pedals it also has kind of like these cargo rails and a basket on the back um nothing about this screams i fold up except for the fact that it kind of looks like those types of bikes.

1:18:13It doesn't really feel like a Rivian product to me. Well, technically it's not, although RJ is leading also, and they have investment from Rivian. So it's pretty much a Rivian product, but it's not technically a Rivian product. This is a bad tech company name on the same level that OnePlus is a bad tech company name. It's not great. Every time you try to use it in a sentence, it's confusing. But it's going to slap as a podcast title one week. But OnePlus sounds like you're about to say something, and then you don't say the rest and so does also. Like when you say, oh, there's this company also that has a bike.

1:18:47What? What company? Also files for bankruptcy. Yeah, yeah. But this, does this not kind of yell bigger version of boosted scooter fiasco of like, we've got something really good going for us. Let's make something that... Remember the boosted scooter? It was very... It was hardcore. it was just like what took them down way too intense way too expensive and in a category that had plenty of others like there are so many e-bikes right now and it broke the finger of a verge reporter as well that's as long as this bike doesn't break any fingers news reporters maybe it'll be fine uh yeah i don't know it scares me a little bit because there's always grumblings here and there of rivian like do they have enough to make it through are they gonna stay alive blah blah blah and i really want my r2 so if a freaking e-bike ruins my chance at the r2 i'm gonna be i just want the r3 man i just want that cross track it looks so sick it feels like they got a good thing going for them and this feels like a very crowded space space there's a lot of e-bike companies there are a lot of e-bikes and there's probably a lot of cities trying to find ways to tone down e-bikes because they're kind of the scourge of some cities the way people drive them through like...

1:20:03Yeah, I mean... Scooters used to be that too. Yeah. In New York we have City Bike, which is, it's in the Lyft app, but City, the bank, it's capitalism. But now they're replacing all of them with motorized ones. All of them? They're trying to replace all of them. All of them? Yeah, which honestly I think they should because the regular ones are so heavy that it feels like it takes more energy to pump the wheels than it does to... It's like, I could walk. I would assume a large company would regulate them properly because isn't there like a speed limit on what they're supposed to be able to do like 20 miles an hour there's like 25 they work great yeah what they work great they're great bike is a beloved program yeah no no i'm saying city bike if they when they do e-bikes would probably follow the regulations where there's lots of other people in the city who are buying e-bikes that are going way faster than they should yes and then also the city bike e-bikes are not the throttle e-bikes they're the assist they're pedal assist yeah um there are also a number of e-bike companies that are basically just motorcycles and they get around they say that they're e-bikes because they have pedals but they are still able to go like 50 miles an hour they say you need a motorcycle license to do it but they will like let you unlock it anyway so geez yeah there's a lot of weird loopholes yeah i always remember like those scooters coming out and they always had like a 24 mile an hour top speed because technically if you hit 25 they would change categories or something yeah 24 on a scooter is fast enough to kill yourself but the boosted could go it hit 24 and you're like oh this is limited to 24 yeah all of these things would work if we built roads for them you know solar freaking roadways yeah and wear helmets obviously don't ever get on anything without a helmet please bike lanes are I mean they do but if you know think about how much also also you know think about how mad car drivers get about bike lanes all the time you know yeah yeah well it's not bad and it's an easy parking spot i am joking please i am joking welcome to new york welcome to sarcasm it's very welcome to new york yeah um okay anyway last little story before we do trivia uh this is just a really quick hit nothing have released the ear three which is uh their earbuds and the case has a quote-unquote super mic on it uh which has a giant mic button that you're supposed to talk into and i think that their mindset with this was sort of how all the tiktokers have the wired ear pods that they sort of talk into now and they also have like the mics that the clip mics that they talk into and it's supposed to look like low quality and fun uh and i will admit that you know usually the earbud mics are pretty horrible because they're not close enough to your mouth and they're pointing in the wrong direction and all of these things.

1:22:52And this is supposed to be better. Some preliminary testing from Don Preston at The Verge said it was not that much better. Wow. Which is interesting. Unfortunate. There are also some big problems with this, like the fact that it can only do it for calls, voice notes, and memos in the essential space. But currently, you cannot record audio from the cameras of your phone through it because apparently Android and iOS do not give access to that. Yeah, it uses the primary mic only. And that primary mic can change if you have something plugged into the USB-C port. But because it's a wireless device, apparently it cannot take over the primary mic slot for some reason.

1:23:35And nothing is urging the platform developers to change this. But it seems kind of weird to release a product that's centered around this before you can even do that. so just like the meta products it seems like if you use voice notes and memos in the essential space on the nothing device then it's useful yeah so specific very specific I still want them my toxic trait is how much I love the nothing ear buds despite how many I've had that have broken and just done terribly I still love these I have started to see more of these in the city I've seen quite a few of them in a city actually I never see any nothing phones in the city, but I see a lot of the buds.

1:24:17Correct. Interesting. Yeah. I think the buds are in that little affordable spectrum. It reminds me of a dictaphone. And for that reason, I liked it. What is that? You know what a dictaphone is? Back in the day when the world was way, way, way worse and only women knew how to type, the way a lot of business stuff was done would be that men would have these pocket tape recorders and they would record a bunch of thoughts and memos and stuff. And then you'd put it in a pneumatic tube and it would get shot through the building to a room full of women typing. You would get that cassette and then type up your what you recorded.

1:24:52Holy crap. And then that would get sent out as the memo. But just as like a pocket, like a handheld voice recorder. Right. And I think there's something sort of. Yeah. I like the idea of like putting something up to your mouth, recording something real quick. Yeah. I guess it doesn't work. I mean. My watch does that. That's true. Yeah. We'll have to test this ourselves. I'm sure we'll get some units in. we'll have more thoughts later. But another thing that we have thoughts about is... Trivia. Just play that. Almost. I was hoping it would kind of... Alright, quick update on the score. Marquez with four.

1:25:30Andrew in the lead with seven. And David, way behind. All the way in the back. Bringing up the rear with two. Yeah, I'm crying in the club right now. This is crazy. All right. So for one point per founder, can you name all of the Facebook founders besides Mark Zuckerberg? Go. No. I guess one other person that I know is. Well, that's how this question originally started. Can you name the other founder who's like famous from the movie and yada, yada, yada? And Ellis was like, let's up the ante. I can't do that at all. Make it plus one. I'm saying I'm naming one other person that I know works at meta right now.

1:26:11Oh. Is it Boz? I was. Is that right? No. Then I'm wrong. Before we start this. Oh, no. Just flip them and read. What do we got? Oh, my God. Wait. I don't know. I'm wrong. I put Boz. This name came to my head, but I might be totally wrong. What did you put? I can't see it. Sheryl Sandberg? She was not a founder, but she was their first director of communications. I said Spider-Man. No. Because in the movie, it was... No, yeah, we get it. What's his name? Andrew Garfield. Spider-Man. The actor who also played Spider-Man. So what was his name in real life? In real life, it was Eduardo Saverin. That was one.

1:26:56He's the one from the movie, Social Network. There was also Andrew McCollum, Dustin Moskovitz. And Chris Hughes. Dustin also created like Asana or something. Oh. Oh, really? He's very, he's very. This guy's the master of cursed software. Yeah. And he's also very, he's like very anti-Facebook on socials. Yeah. Yeah. I can see that. Interesting. Well, none of you got any points. I never would have gotten. Even though there were many chances for a point. I can do the YouTube founders. Guys, which of the following meta products that no longer exists didn't exist first? hit it. Was unexisted. Yeah, was unexisted first.

1:27:36Lasso, the TikTok competitor that, sorry, just got a leg cramp, just sort of got folded into Instagram Reels, but is no longer a standalone platform. To reel in the kids. Yeah. Oh. Whoa, conspiracy. Lasso, reel it in, Instagram Reels. Is this real life? What's the name of the other one? The other one's the cryptocurrency. Who cares? What was it called? It was called Libra, and then they changed it to Diem. Yeah, they care because they got to answer something. Did you write? Or did you wrong? It's which one was shut down at an earlier date. Yes. An earlier date. This felt like a trick question.

1:28:18All right, Marquez, you put. I put Libra. That is incorrect, unfortunately. Libra was shut down in 2022. I know. The obvious one seems like Lasso. So I played myself. When was that? But I put Libra. Lasso was shut down in 2020. Yeah. Lasso barely lasso-ed. Yeah. I thought you were going to say it's like cruising around somehow or like just, yeah. Libra was weirdly like big news when it came out because there was all this regulatory stuff about countries being like nah, nah, nah. And like so many huge American companies funded it. Right. With MetaVisa. Yeah. And then like it was big news for a while.

1:28:57Then it disappeared for a really long time. And then randomly in 2022, yeah, 2022, I just saw some random story that was like, Meta officially shuts down its Libro crypto. And I was like, that's still around. Technically, they didn't shut it down. They sold it to another company. I don't know if it's private equity, but they sold it to some sort of ownership group with the expressed idea that that ownership group would shut it down and then write it off for losses on the 2023 tax year. Hooray. So exciting. We love it. Well, David, you just got one point, bringing you to three points. Heck yes.

1:29:38Marquez, in second place, you're currently rocking a solid four points. Andrew. Not too proud. Add those two together. Big Dog, ginormous scores right now, seven points. That's pretty good. Andrew has 50 % of all points awarded in this season of Waveform Trivia. It's incredible. You love to see it. If I hadn't ruined OLED, we would have gained on Andrew. That's true. Well, you did. I did. That's what you get. That's what you did to me, Marcus. The question was actually just, what does the O stand for? Organic. That's it? That was the question. Still would have got it wrong. I ruined us. The O stands for OLED.

1:30:22It's a background. It goes all the way. it's like do you remember the joke i think i told the pod what is the b and benoit b mendelbrot stand for what it stands for benoit b mendelbrot the mathematician responsible for the mendelbrot set the fractal pattern that repeats itself the more you go down oh that's funny this is a funny joke i've told on the podcast that's funny i remember when we talked about fractals that was like three years ago i know wow i know do you remember do you not remember that yeah I remember yeah I'm sure it happened though just like this episode for sure happened thanks for watching thanks for subscribing and of course it's tech timber so you already know there's the bonus episode you just watched before this and then another episode that's coming out after this it's a good time stay tuned catch you guys in the next one peace peace wait for spruce by adamalina and ellis rovin we're partnered with vox media podcast network and our after music was created by vain still do it underwhelming

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