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1:09What is going on, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. This week, we've got some banger new features in Microsoft Paint. Nice. Huge. I can't tell you how excited it is. It's been so many years. The whole episode. That's all we're talking about. And that's it. That's all we're talking about. 37 years. Dolly 3 is also out in the wild. We had an Amazon event this week with a bunch of new products. There's also a whole mess of Xbox leaks. But first, we should just get to some Apple updates because there's some new stuff.

1:44The cat's out the bag. we are testing the new stuff now. Some people have published their reviews already. Ours are still in the works by the time this episode comes out, but it's true. I've been testing the iPhone 15 Pro for about, by the time you hear this, about a week, almost a week and a half, two weeks now? Almost two, like a week and a half, I think. Yeah. Because it was the beginning of last week. Oh, it's two weeks by the time it comes out. By the time this comes out, it's a week and a half, right? It was Wednesday. Yeah, a week and a half. Yeah, about. Yeah. It was Wednesday. Anyway, so that's out.

2:14That was a long week. apple watch series 9 i'm wearing the pink one for you video listeners you can video viewers you can see it for your audio listeners i'll just tell you i'm wearing a pink watch right now nice sick band it's going well yeah i've got the the recycled band the nike what do they call that the nike sport band sport band yeah and it's as we mentioned last time made up of a bunch of flex of a bunch of old recycled sport bands uh which is pretty cool so no two are alike they're all unique i just i'm over the fact that it's a completely carbon neutral product and i i know we talked about this last time but i just want to stress that's the entire life cycle of the product so emissions electricity energy materials construction packaging shipping and then all of the electricity used during the lifetime of the ownership of the device all of it is what they're claiming is carbon neutral i need to know how they're doing that's so much it's got to be mostly credits right well there are some things that are genuinely easier like instead of using a new aluminum they can use recycled aluminum and there's a bunch of pieces that they showed me from the housing of the vibration motor to the the outside of this thing the buttons it's all like recycled aluminum that all makes sense but then it's just like how do you control all of the trucks that it gets delivered on how do you control all of the apple stores that you sell it in that keep the lights on 24 7 like how do you control the the grid that i'm plugging my wall brick into that i'm getting electricity from when i charge it there's it's an enormous complex puzzle to like guarantee that it's a carbon neutral product for everyone yeah it's crazy funny because you can't create energy right so the idea that if you're charging the device through the life cycle of the product it's like apple couldn't create energy out of nothing yeah but they have some sort of credit that they're counting it against um and they had a very funny note too where they were like we managed to fit 25 more apple watches on each shipment to each apple store which me which means we're using less emissions and like that's true that's great they're also just reducing shipping costs yeah made the box smaller you know everybody wins still make it smaller it's still too big yeah i looked at it it could be half the size of what it is already you're 100 right yeah but either way we're we're testing them i have some early thoughts on the iphone 14 and i'm sorry 15 and 15 pro as you can tell yeah it's a lot of changes they are very similar to the previous phones the main updates being usbc i did have a moment so i am currently test driving a car for autofocus and i'm going to shoot that entire video on the iphone 15 but it's a pull star 2 and the Polestar 2 has a little, when it got dropped off, it has a little cable in it.

5:04It's a little wired CarPlay connector because this car has CarPlay. Oh no. And I had that moment where I went to plug in the lightning cable into the iPhone and it didn't work and I was confused for a second and I was like, oh right. Is it hardwired in? No, I can unplug it but I needed my own USB-C cable. Okay. So already in the car when I dropped it off was the last guy had a USB-C to lightning cable. He just left it there and I went to go plug in the iPhone and it didn't work and I was like, ah, I need more USB-C cables. The amount of people that are about to be really confused when they bought the new phone, they ask their friend if they can borrow their charger and it doesn't work and they just don't know why.

5:39It's about to be very high. No, right? It's going to happen. No, it's going to happen. A non-zero amount of people are going to think that something's wrong. I can finally help my Apple friends. That's true. Look at that. People who come over and say, do you have a charger? I can now say, I do. Remember how we were trashing on the adapter, though? Mostly because it's$30. Yeah, that's the reason. That is why we're trashing on it. But there is an endless amount of like Ubers with lightning cables sticking out of them and like accessories with lightning cables. Lightning cables are everywhere. And so kind of like we do with 30-pin to lightning, we're going to have to go through a bit of a reckoning again with, all right, there's a wave of new iPhones out there and none of them can use this port.

6:18So we better make sure we have USB Type-C. I guess they already hopefully also have USB Type-C maybe, but like there's a lot of lightning cables out in the world. At least 30-pin only existed for the first iPhone and the 3G and the 3GS, and then they switched to Lightning on the 4, right? Is that right? I think so. So, like, that was only, like, three models. This has been many models. 4 had 30-pin. Did it? 4 did have 30-pin. I'm confident now. I remember seeing it. Yeah, it fits the silhouette, but maybe 4S or 5. As the resident expert of the iPhone 4, 30-pin. From trivia. You're probably right.

6:56itself but that's but it's not a decade though you're right wow so like one two three and four versus four to 14. that's a that's a lot of lightning cables the 4s switch to lightning so somewhere in there no no okay was it the five must have been it was the beautifully designed iPhone 5. yeah anyway I don't want to take up all your time so that's 10 10 generations I'm just fact checking yes iPhone 5. okay so 5 through 15 that's a lot of lightning cables out in the world yeah and uh all i'm saying is more than 10 generations because they have the s's yeah so they're either going to need a lot a bunch of new lightning cable a bunch of new usb-c cables or a bunch of adapters yeah just saying yeah and they're gonna make a lot of money on those adapters you've been on the max yeah any camera observations with that 5x because i know i'm on the regular pro and i still have a 3x and it's just early observations before i do my side by side on computer testing very similar camera yeah last year i i think this is going to be fairly divisive because you go from a 1x main lens and then you have that 2x like basically sensor level crop that is not necessarily cropping it's just kind of using the center pixels and then from there all the way to 5x you're basically doing a digital zoom of sorts yeah so i can we can maybe throw this in the video i have this example where i took a 4.9x shot and then a 5x shot and the difference in noise is crazy yeah so that's and i need to like make a graphic for this but from 0.5 x to 2x they're the same quality yeah they're the same as each other yeah but once you get to 3x 3 to 5 over 2 uh on this phone so i'm just comparing these to each other okay from 3 to 5 this will perform better yes then as soon as you get to five that will perform yes so if you do a lot of deeper zooms then anything past five you'll want the max uh-huh but if you don't zoom into 5x all the time then you might find that the max is actually a worse one to get yeah i did notice that once you go past five though the quality actually falls apart fairly quickly oh interesting like i'm at 15x right now and this doesn't look good it's not great yeah adam looks terrible whereas if you look at any he looks so good adam looks amazing generally but he's very noisy in this photo what do you mean oh that's actually that was funny all played um yeah any android phone not any android phone but many android phones look much better at this than this at this zoom range um so the 5x lens looks pretty good i've been doing a lot of testing around manhattan with the 5x lens and it is nice for like when you want to shoot photos of things really far away something that was really interesting that they talked in the keynote they were like iPhone is a very social camera so we want it to hit these things and I think by that they mean you take a lot of pictures of people and you take a lot of pictures of food and you take a lot of pictures of pets and I think that's what they're saying only cats and dogs not raccoons I think they were saying that's mostly what people use their phones for and so 5x is like is that still a social lens?

10:12I feel like 5X is my kids doing something on the playground or playing soccer or something like that. 5X sounds like a great optical zoom or a great zoom level for like I'm sitting in the stands of an event that my kid is part of. Or a school concert or something like that. The funny thing is all the examples that they showed for the 5X lens were like sports photography. Like people swimming really fast, people running really fast. And they were like cropped way in. It's interesting. It is interesting. I think ultimately we expect the 5X to come to the Pro next year. Yeah. I think that's like the classic thing that they do.

10:49But I think Samsung does a good job where they have ultra wide, wide, 3X, and 10X. Yeah. So they're like, look, if you want 3X, we got you. But if you want deep zoom, we also got you. I'm just really interested if Apple is ever going to bring a fourth lens. It would make sense because the camera cutout's already square. Why not add another lens into it? like i understand not wanting apple not wanting to do the samsung thing of like five and then have to put another lens under the already like silhouette they've made but the silhouette is there to have another camera well it's funny because the idea of having four lenses on an iphone feels really silly but also when the first three camera iphone came out we made all those memes about it being like the fryer thing the stovetop yeah we used to have one so what's one more we'll get used to it but yeah um battery life so far on the pros on the max for me has been like kind of subpar for a max it gets me barely over 24 hours which is like cool but the previous two maxes got me like almost three days yeah so i feel like that a17 pro is just generally using more power this is something i think we're converging on because i've also tried to withhold judgment on battery until i'm at least a weekend so i'm eight days in now and i have not had great days i've had a lot of normal days and i've had a couple bad days yeah i have not had the normal couple of great days also yeah so i am starting to think yeah it is a17 pro being more power hungry and being able to drop faster standby time still good standby time's really good but it is more powerful chip that can eat power faster yeah like i went to bed at like 26 i woke up and it was at 25 percent went to bed at 26 percent yeah that's terrifying and you didn't plug it in no on purpose testing testing is your phone your alarm uh yeah you are bold that's bold well i also wake up naturally anything like before my alarm under 20 i'm not gonna risk that 25 26 well the standby time is good so i went to bed with 26 woke up at 25 so that was like okay i slept like six and a half seven hours and it dropped one percent but then from the time that i woke up to the time that i got to work which is like two and a half hours total it had dropped to 10 percent battery yeah and that was like me using it most of that time but i'm on the pro right now i just did a trip where it was on the wireless charger the entire time it's 3 p.m i'm at 44 that's not as good as it usually is that's not it was on the wireless charger in your car yeah yeah there and back yeah and did you fill it up overnight yeah i started with 100 today is that what you took video with yeah so taking video is gonna burn through like i like i said yeah it's a little tough yeah so i know i'm burning through a little bit faster than normal but i'm not having the great days where it's like oh i didn't do a bunch of video i just had like a couple navigation things in the morning and then a normal day and i end the day with 70 haven't had that day yet so that's something we'll keep an eye on my zen phone's still killing it but i bet still i think that rules i love this thing sorry i had to just like throw that shot i'm really glad i can get through 24 hours it's just that compared to the previous pro maxes that were getting me literally almost three days yeah i think that the the a17 pro chip is just really power hungry while it's active so that titanium looks so good it does look pretty good actually that blue it like i would love that blue not bad i really like it but just like yeah that looks so good the black looks really good they killed it with the pro colors this is the first year i didn't order a black phone i ordered a titanium one oh really yeah wow i ordered a titanium 15 pro are you gonna switch to matte titanium all everything no limited shirt the max for battery but we'll see we'll see we'll get there a day of battery because i like the cement dbrand skin it kind of looks like that anyway okay on to uh a couple other things apple also we wanted to talk about back glass repairs is getting cheaper because they mentioned in the keynote they had like an actual line in the keynote where they they said the word repairability on stage which like never happens but they really did it and they went and designed the chassis to have a more easily replaceable back glass uh now we see those new back glass replacement prices they've gone from five five hundred five fifty bucks on iphone 12 13 turning 14 pro max down to 199 on 15 pro max three hundred dollar price drop is like five i can't believe it was 550 cost 500 you could get a zen phone replace your back glass with the zen you could replace your back glass or get a zen i'd rather duct tape my phone shut which is what a lot of people do you see those things everywhere just put the case over yeah and never take it off again yeah honestly yeah yeah would you rather spend 500 bucks or just put a case on it put a case on it for sure a hundred percent that's like a 13 fix yeah well yeah apparently the new chassis is easier to take the glass off the back and replace it 200 is still pretty expensive for a pro max but 350 less is a crazy drop yeah um i don't know what that's saying if just before it was way too expensive yeah but i'm glad to see some sort of improvement it's again it's one of those apple things where you're like still bad but thank you for not as bad.

16:02Just many Apple things. Other thing we have is just remember how they announced new iCloud storage levels? We got pricing for that. 6 terabytes is$29.99 a month and 12 terabytes is$60 a month. Did they talk about having family plans on the bigger options? I did not see that yet. But to be honest, I didn't look that hard for it. I was just mostly upset about here that like two terabytes is$9.99 a month. So like I would assume if you are going to jump to 12 terabytes, they should give you somewhat of a discount. Like$60 a month is so much. Make it$50 a month. This is the exact same as just paying for the two terabyte.

16:45Yeah, it's actually more expensive. By three cents. Oh, you're right. $9.99 times three is$29.99. you're right and six terabytes is$29.99 oh that's so funny so it's actually more expensive to buy the six terabyte that's weird that's very funny I'm just saying as someone who has basically no blood family but many different technical families I would love to be in a family plan with this yeah so 12 terabytes like people wondered if we held back anything we said at the Apple event the only thing we did was David talking about his family in front of them to see who his family were grandma's ashes at least hold on the six terabyte is 29.99 and then yeah the 12 terabyte is also double but more expensive because it's 59.99 instead of 59.98 so what is that six cents more expensive it's well than the two terabyte but if you just doubled up the six terabyte and got two 29.99s that would supposed to be 59.98 but it's 59.99 come on apple that extra send man very strange okay well that's out there yeah i think that's about all we have for apple stuff stay tuned for the reviews the reviews are in the works we've got a lot to say about these phones and also the watch and the double tap underrated man i just do this all day now all day yeah and ellis started using an apple watch no i i i didn't interesting it's not true i started using it because i wanted to walkie talkie everyone it was fun shooting stuff yeah that was because in ohio vin and brandon walkie talking and I was like wow that's the most essential tool on a shoot and yeah so I wore it for the trip and then I got home and then now I'm still wearing it and it's crazy I know I've got this beautiful watch box in my apartment that now just goes unopened it's honestly a travesty is the walkie-talkie an ecosystem feature I think kind of I believe so I mean I had to wear two watches at the event so that I could walkie-talkie you can only walkie-talkie on an apple watch you didn't have to do anything you chose to wear two watches no it was epic because I was not I was slacking you guys and you weren't replying and i just go adam this is david over and he's like then david just warned the one watch no way you're not wearing your watch right now i'm wearing my casio 1200 for the thousands of people that have asked me what this watch is i was modified casio 1200 with a steel case and some filters sick all right let's talk about this monitor company because you have this in the notes here and i i'm like familiar with i think we saw the monitor and they made a laptop it was like a surface yeah uh killer yeah it had like an alcantara case it was basically yeah it looked just like a surface yeah but what is going on it's eve if you remember it was from 2017 i believe that's around when the tablet was out um yeah it was like a tablet and it had that like alcantara like keyboard with it um we got the tablet we never really did too much with it um and then they started selling monitors is i don't want to go too deep into it but um sean hollister from the verge i think his name is he just did like this incredible write-up about how eve which is now a company called dough i believe d-o-u-g-h am i pronouncing that right right yeah like don't don't might be the worst tech name i've ever heard it's like we make your money that's what i say yeah we're stealing your dough yeah is how i but um so they rebranded they've had a bunch of monitors they've announced but like didn't really ship and now they're still releasing new ones but still have old ones that aren't really shipping on the line and there hasn't been a lot of refunds and then they started a new refund process but those people aren't really getting refunds but sean has been covering it for a long time and he wrote this like really really great verge article that we'll list in the bio and the show notes and like i highly suggest reading it and if anyone out there has dealt with this company and maybe is having an issue with refunds go read that article and maybe you'll have a better chance of getting something back but like it feels really shady especially for a company that apparently just buys panels from off the shelf and you could probably get the same panels from any other reputable monitor company so yeah it's a weird weird spot definitely read it it's long but it's really well written is it just that they're stealing people's refunds like what is happening well they're not giving refunds and then some of them are giving refund dates past when you could already like um do a credit card uh like refund or charge back so like it's just a lot of weird stuff of them promising that they're going to give money back but not giving money back and then also taking money and not shipping things and like still releasing new products and trying to get away from it but still being really shady and it's because they're taking too long to ship the things people already bought yeah or just like not shipping them in general or not yeah wasn't the tablet thing like an indiegogo back in like 2000 i think that was like definitely 12 or something that was like an og like 10 years ago some sort of kickstarter thing and now they're just doing like pre-orders on their own site but i think some of those i think there's also i remember the original indiegogo for the tablet like it was supposed to be like 3x the specs of the surface tablet but it was like it looked exactly the same and it took like two years to come out or something.

21:59I remember we got that and then I swore they offered to send us the monitor and I forget if we said yes or no. I just don't remember ever hearing from them again. And then I didn't know they renamed their company. I thought they just went, I don't know, they had a sick red and black logo though. So like, definitely send them your money. Dang. But yeah, it seems like, I think everyone should read it just because it's a really good article. And especially if you've ever dealt with them before and are looking for money back. But way more importantly, our next article yes microsoft paint is adding layers and transparency yes this is so sick this is the best thing that's happened in 2023 um story of the year yeah it is this is story of the year so i mean layers are huge if you've anyone's ever used photoshop i hope so um but it like completely changes how paint works because paint was very much a like i do an action and that action is basically permanent now yeah um and then not only can you now use transparent pngs and save as a transparent png but it also has a tool that looks like it will eliminate the backgrounds and like cut a subject out and either save it as a transparent png or if you do it on a top layer it'll show the layers underneath should i be making thumbnails do you guys know when paint first came out no you want to guess oh god what version of windows didn't have paint 94 do you want to guess marquez when did paint come out when did paint come out 91 are you 1985 really yeah this is a 37 year coming um situation somewhere out there there's a paint diehard who's just like 38 years like best day of his life no or he's like i hate this new update it ruins my pain it ruined everything i want to note do you remember when um microsoft thought that like augmented reality was going to be the future back in like 2017 or so and then like HP and Compaq and Lenovo made those like Microsoft 3D like AR headsets so then Microsoft updated Paint to make it they have a Paint 3D now you can do like augmented reality paint in and it's just very funny that that came out before Transparent PSG It's actually incredible.

24:18Hey priorities man they're leaner than you think that's true well maybe they were just too early because now the you know the uh vision pro is all ar stuff so true we'll be making layers and paint and drawing things in midair but yeah i think this is your new thumbnail oh wait no use a mac that's probably gonna be kind of hard we should make we have to make a virtual machine yeah just for having paint on my mac that's right to make thumbnails that's how you do it that's what i'm gonna do it's a pro use this though and make a thumbnail in paint i think i don't mind that uh okay last last thing before the break dolly three is about to come out it just got announced um oh my god dolly is kind of the thing that started this whole ai like explosion in the public eye i remember the week that we found out about dolly through like a couple twitter posts and it was when dolly 2 had just come out we were like what what is this generative ai like what what is generative ai what is like a large language model like what is all this stuff and it just like we just dove into learning about this stuff that was when we had to like write up what we wanted and send to them and they did the like the like prompts for it and then we got a bunch of pictures from that like that's how now you can just like yeah go do it whenever you want so at the time dolly 2 looked like incredible right like comparatively to what we had had before compared to dolly 1 compared to like anything because we had no idea that you could type in words and get a picture out of it um so now but now all of this stuff's coming out mid-journey is insane now so dolly 2 looks like child's play at this point um but now dolly 3 is coming out and there's a lot of different stuff about dolly 3 that makes it updated um it's much it's got much more art to work with so it's just better in general uh it can take it works with chat gbt so it's like embedded inside of chat gbt for chat gbt plus members and the funny thing is you ask for an image but if your prompt is too simple chat gbt will expand your prompt to make it more complex so that dolly is better at doing it because it works better with more words the ai is better at using the ai tool than you yeah oh yeah because why do they even need me at this point it's just you just type in like you're just sitting there and words are just you just open the program and it does it yeah eventually you're just going to open it up and just look at it enter and it's going to go i got you i got you it also understands context much better than before i think previously it had trouble with things like the idea of writing something so if you oh it's horrible at that a teddy bear riding a horse like it didn't actually oh writing writing Oh, I thought you said writing.

27:07Like if you ask for a stop sign, it makes a stop sign, but then it says like soap on the stop sign or something. Like you can't write anything. I'm not sure about that. Okay. That would be interesting to find out. It's theoretically going to come out in early October. So I'm very excited to try it. And also it allows artists to opt out of OpenAI using their art, which I'm not really sure how, where they're sourcing all the art from and how you're going to be able to like label your art as do not use yeah i could see it as like my account on deviant art yeah like that i opt out of this and this is where my stuff's posted but that doesn't take away from where your stuff's already stolen on the internet and if it's pulling it from there so that still seems like a tough thing to do yeah i have no idea maybe there's i could see something in the future of like when you're creating something in the metadata it has a like i opt out of this being used for whatever but that's supposed to be a thing that's that's a thing that's being built right now yeah is that a thing that's being built for i opt out or is that a thing that's being built for this is ai generated art and in the metadata shows that it's made by there's a thing they're working on um it's a whole consortium with a bunch of the camera manufacturers and like adobe where within the metadata there's an encrypted level in the metadata that changes every time you've made an alteration to the image it leaves a tag on when that alteration was made and what it was and if it was created by ai it will say ai generated as well yeah so i believe so yeah i think that's different though than from like i make something and in the metadata there's something where it's like i'm opting out of this ever being like pulled from me like scraped yeah i don't know i don't think that's a thing anyone's i don't think it's in the works but that would be the best way for that to because i don't know how do you how do you retroactively remove your contributions from the training.

28:59Seems like they already have it trained on something. How do I remove what I already have? Let's let them opt out after we have trillions of images. It's just an awkward conversation because OpenAI is getting sued from every direction right now, from people being like, I did not consent to you using my stuff. And now they're trying to be more proactive about it, but it's like the damage has kind of already been done. And now just saying like, we will use your stuff unless you opt out is kind of strange. So, I don't know. forgiveness not permission yeah um but no one forgives you and all yeah uh currently they have no plans uh that have been laid out to the public as to have a free version of this which is interesting um kind of crazy because you know they just dropped uh dolly 2 they just dropped chat gpt now everything is kind of starting to go behind a paywall um which is interesting for a company that was originally non-profit and is now a capped profit company yeah yeah none of this somehow shocks me at all yeah it's kind of the natural progression of capitalism do you think we'll continue to see like the newer versions behind the paywall and then the version gets dropped out of the paywall into like the free version i don't know it's probably the easiest way of doing it do that but i think that they're keeping i think they're keeping the public access at a like much lower tier just because of like ai regulation hasn't caught up yet and they don't really know what they're that's why it's not all the money they want to make yeah right that's the reason yeah yeah so anyway um chugging along chugging along pretty soon dolly will just make whole waveform episodes that's true it's really not that far off i'm excited i said in the dolly video i was like first it makes pictures take a break then it makes short animations then it makes videos then it makes youtube videos then it makes movies it's just yeah we're just chugging along that path like yeah one rung of the ladder at a time slowly we're getting it was less than a year ago that this came the first one came out we'll die too but yeah wow isn't that crazy yeah yeah insane oh like tim with the new paint versus chat gpt with dolly man ellis must be a huge ai fan because he just keeps putting thumbs up over there about all this talk thumbs down big thumbs down very sad do you guys see the adobe thing with the adobe stock thing what is it about how a bunch of artists were complaining that if you search their name on adobe stock it doesn't serve their profiles it serves ai art generated to be in their style even though they all opted out of the wow the training thing oh uh thumbs down that's the worst possible this is the weird thing about ai is you can just kind of like dance around the the stuff that they're blocking with like different semantics here's another one just to make you guys uh with what's the phrase quiver in your britches or whatever um there's like a long standing agreement between spotify and all the major record labels that spotify isn't allowed to hold music copyrights because as soon as they hold the copyrights to music they can push those records before the record labels records and just not have to pay anyone royalties on music that they own right um uh so but if they just start generating ai music they don't even need to copyrighted they can just not pay anyone period oh interesting so there's like a huge incentive for them to like fill up their playlists with ai generated music that is interesting because then you know they just keep all that monthly uh yeah those monthly fees it makes me think like one day it's just gonna start infiltrating my spotify weekly like at this point if you hang around tiktok or youtube long enough or even instagram long enough you might without even knowing it stumble past an AI channel, an AI character.

32:49And you might not even know it's AI, but it's just another thing or a person in your feed and you don't even realize it. The VTuber, whatever. We've been AI for weeks. It could be me. It could be you. But now it could be in your Spotify for you page and you wouldn't even notice. Or maybe you will notice. Maybe it's horrible music. But we'll figure it out eventually. That's interesting. We should take an ad break before I get any more sad. We should take an ad break. That is a good idea, Andrew. But before we take an ad break, we should do trivia. It's so much better. That's the normal trivia volume.

33:24And we're back to what it was. It was so loud. So first question, Dan McCabe led development on the graphics for something called Microsoft Chart, which was a software that was eventually incorporated into Microsoft Excel. What other piece of famous Microsoft software did Dan McCabe help to create? It's a very famous name. At least I can name Microsoft softwares for this one. I can take a guess on this one. Yeah, Microsoft. That's how I'm treating this question. Name a different piece of Microsoft software. And also to the listeners and viewers, there's a Microsoft event tomorrow at the time of recording.

34:03So we're not talking about that because it is tomorrow at the time of recording. but yeah at the time of viewing here let's insert what we think might happen blah blah blah sorry panos isn't here with us anymore blah blah more surface new zune bing is pretty cool right remember bing

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36:30It's an Amazon event. It's like every other Amazon event where they announce a bunch of things. Go for it. We made a new home device and we put Alexa in it. We made X and put Alexa in it. Then we made another one and also put Alexa in it. Okay. I like to add to the clock and the toaster. That was fun years ago. That was fun. I don't think they did anything as wild in this one. No Astro Bot 2? no astrobots they did show a tile of astrobot right from the start and i was pumped and then they never mentioned our little buddy again and by buddy i mean little demon spawn that is like biting my ankles all the time i also feel like we're in in this tech niche it's another one of those ones where we probably don't know as many people that use alexa versus google assistant and siri as home device things alexa is way more prevalent though with a lot of it is a lot of people that I know that aren't as like techie yeah that's what their home for home automation is is Alexa yeah in 2020 according to the verge 25 percent of U.S.

37:34households had at least one wow really of all households so not just households with smart that's crazy it was just like any house that was 2020 that's 2020 geez so that was like six months ago did do they have stats on compared to Google Assistant or Siri one moment oh well while you look at that The first thing they mentioned in this was the Alexa Show 8. The main reason I'm bringing it up here is because the way they described it, I thought, was a little confusing. Okay. And I put a picture over here, and David and Marquez, you guys missed this part. I want you to describe what this looks like.

38:09This one right here? Yes. This to me looks like a small children's tablet. Oh, woof. Okay. You know, like a seven-inch. That's not how they describe it. Like a small, like a seven inch tablet with thick bezels because you're going to give it to your kid. But then it like has a stand on the back, which probably has a speaker in it. And now it's on a kitchen table and it's got a video call on it. So it most likely is like a Nest Home Hub, right? Something like that, yeah. They would not try to hide this camera at all. No, no, no. So it is similar to like a Nest Home Hub. It's an Alexa product that has a screen where you can do some stuff.

38:42And it does do some cool things. I'll mention that in a minute. But right off the bat, the way they described this was edge to edge glass. what i hate when they and i was like have you heard other people use that term before we're used to edge to edge screens which is what we anyone actually cares about most things have edge to edge but the screen is just way smaller yes who cares if it's edge to edge glass when it's got this dummy thick bezel on the side of it like yeah this is something we've i've heard that before like it's edge to edge glass and then you look at it you're like oh i see why you said it that way because it's not edge to edge screen but the glass is corner to corner neat don't really care that really that made me mad i thought that was a very deceiving way of describing this especially because like these bezels are brutal and i'm not saying that the like nest home bezels are good those are pretty bad also pretty thick but like calling this edge to edge glass felt that's pretty funny dishonest yeah um one thing i did really like about this though is one of the features it has on it is when it's just being a smart display it has a sensor to tell how close you are to it which will actually change the ui of what's being displayed which i think is a neat feature so like if you're far away it's only going to show possibly one thing with very large text then the closer you get the more things that will show up on the ui with smaller text because it knows you can see it that's kind of cool um i think that's really neat i wish my i don't think my nest home hub has that no but um i think that's actually a really really cool idea give it a week it also has like they talked about generative ai and alexa like within this and then directly after this and i know david has a lot to talk about it mostly from what i saw was like their examples were hey what's the score of my favorite football team and it knew what their favorite football team was and told them the score that's just context or context no no no they were like Alexa write me a poem yeah no no there was definitely like generative or one of them had Alexa he was like I don't remember the exact context but it was like Alexa I like broke my foot or something I can't go to my friend's birthday and Alexa was like bet and then he was like write the text that says no go no show so definitely generating something they're updating with generative AI I have many thoughts about this shoot it'll be more interesting than the Amazon I have like 20 versions of a script that I've been writing ever since this AI stuff started happening because it keeps changing really fast.

41:14So I keep changing the point of the video. Yeah. You first told me about that script like in 2021. Literally. Yeah. Yeah. One of the versions of that video was called Natural Language Computers. And it was, it's sort of about how the way we interface with devices is going to become just a lot more just natural conversation. And this reminds me a lot of when Adam and I were at Android Authority in 2018 or 2017, 2018, and Google Assistant first came out. And one of our bosses thought he could just talk to it by going like, hey, gee, I left my car at the store and I need to, how do I go get it? And it would just be like, what?

41:57Yeah. And at the time, for a very long period of time, you've had to use these keywords, these prompts that specifically it listened for so that you had to know how to talk to the computer. But the big update that they're making now is that that's sort of starting to go away. You're able to just sort of talk about things in a more natural way and it understands the context of what you need and what you want and it will trigger commands based on that. So it's not like they're hard, they no longer really need to hard code in like these very specific commands that you're making. It understands your context and it can like provide functions based on that.

42:35Yeah. And that's like a very nice futuristic way to interface with computers. A really good example that was the Amazon Fire Stick and how somebody was showing off how to start searching for a movie by like some more simple things that was like, I want a movie about sports. But then when it would bring up results, it was a, I want one that I don't have to pay for. I want one that I haven't seen yet. And then even more so they could say like, me and my family really like video games too. is there one that could like coincide just sports and video games or stuff and he was asking some like pretty complicated things you would never expect to ask like just a google assistant or a simple especially not siri especially yeah yeah can you imagine yeah yeah i yeah i have like my i can attempt to make this sentence in real time my i'm ready thesis on accessible high-end computing like star trek has always been this is like my anyone who's watched star trek has always realized like oh they have a lot of really good ideas in here even though they're not real they have like a lot of things that actually turn out to be true eventually yeah that's why i don't think i can name all the planets but also on that note apparently the echo show eight looks just like something from star trek ellis was very amped about that i can believe that but like you know communicator people like you know now we have we have smartphones Yeah, we've gotten a lot of things from Star Trek.

43:55And one of the things they always had was computer. Like they just talked to the computer. Which is why Amazon added it for the Echo. Yeah. You can say, hey, computer. Yeah, exactly. But the idea at least was like, if you're watching this show, you're thinking, wouldn't it be nice if like I could just ask my computer to do things and it would understand me? And as of right now, or as of right before AI, in order to tell a computer to do something, you needed to either learn the UI of the software or learn to code to be able to talk to the computer to do something. And AI just shifted that line.

44:32It's flipped it, basically. And moved it way, way closer to natural. So you can just tell it something. And it can literally write code for you, talk to the computer for you, figure out what to do for you. And ideally, in the most ideal world, I think accessible computing for everyone is just natural language. That's the ideal finish line, I think, for all this stuff. If you get frustrated at the fact that you need to learn how to code, think about how hard it is for computers to learn English. Much harder, okay? It's called a coding language because there's information coded within the language that you are using that is static, that does not change.

45:09Whereas natural language is contextual and changes over the generations. If I say, it's lit fam to my computer, you think it's going to know what that means? In 1985 when they invented... But the other thing is... Microsoft Paint, it didn't know what it was. I had no clue what that was. Alexa, show me some lit-ass movies right now. Exactly. I got you, fan. I got you. No, but that's also the other thing that I think about a lot is the job of knowing how to code, that job has changed so much because then it's either like, do you become good at prompt engineering for AI or do you become good at writing code to make computers better understand humans' natural language?

45:51Until the computer can just write better code to do that. Oh, that's a lot. It's a lot of layers that are all twisted together. It's recursive. Yeah, it's a lot. So yeah, there's a lot going on with regenerative AI and talking to a computer. I just like it to get better. I actually think it's pretty exciting that we're actually finally seeing somebody adding conversational natural language processing into a product that people actually use every day. Because I don't really think that a text box that we type into is going to be the end state. I think the end state is either ambient computing where things just happen based on your actions that you do every day or just natural language.

46:28Yeah. And I think it's like big that it's being able to understand way more loosely based language on people who might not be that tech. Because all of us know our family has called us saying, what is wrong with this, this, this and all of us have just Googled it because we know how to Google things better than they do. Because we're good at prompt engineering. Googling is literally early prompt engineering. So now everyone can do that or just not have to do that anymore. Which means way less phone calls and tech support that all of us have to do. It seems like the products themselves still get better in baby steps.

47:04Like every time we get a new Google I.O. and they're like we've been working on our natural language models and sundar is like throwing all the stuff on stage i'm expecting to be able to go home to my assistant and be like all right open my shades like open the garage door order this on amazon and i still can't quite naturally do any of the things i want but i still once in a while they'll do something like oh instead of saying hey assistant stop my timer i just say stop yeah and it knows because of context oh the alarm's going off he said stop all right i'll stop it right like little by little we creep towards more natural but it's not like yeah blitzing our way there we just got to get there eventually and the amazon uh demos they showed were not the most advanced like you just said it every year at google io like sundar always shows off their most advanced version of what they have and we get all hyped and we're like yeah we can go home and use that and then what we have at home is like one one trillionth of the power yeah um so obviously this is going to come out in baby steps and we were actually talking earlier about how it's kind of bold of amazon to do a live uh keynote because a lot of people have started doing pre-recorded keynotes so that you can like skip over the clunky like live demos and all that stuff that barely works and apparently the wi-fi was hanging on this and oh no all the stuff it's also just like pre-recorded stuff they can redo takes and i just like watching it just and i understand people are going to stumble over words that's just natural but we've seen so many pre-recorded events now that like seeing a live event like that again it was just like oh this is just unfortunate yeah yeah humans there were spoiled by the pre-recorded stuff we need we need to go back to like steve jobs asking everyone to turn their wi-fi off yeah the keynote google i o was live though i guess and that went pretty smoothly yeah that went pretty smooth yeah good job and dave burke was incredible at live demos so maybe it's just apple's been spoiling us with it was pretty weird that we went in the steve jobs theater all sat down and then just watched a movie together for two hours we did i mean it's a theater i guess i shouldn't be shocked yeah it's a pretty good screen but yeah just like hello in person and then we watched a movie together did you see him like come out and like watch it with us oh he did oh i didn't know so he goes so the way it's always set up and we'll go to break in a second i swear they have they always have it set up where it's like in the bottom in the front there's a bunch of apple employees and apple people and i think in the sides there's also typically a bunch of apple employees people who work on campus and then also some press is there and so when you get to certain sections like whenever you hear the the applause it's always the apple employees who are like yeah this is a clap worthy one guys make sure you clap journalists we're just typing and like writing stuff down but like you hear the claps for things and apple employees who genuinely have no idea what the announcements will be sometimes clap at those things but yeah the front row is always like tim craig like jaws like all those guys so i just remember him he comes out on stage he goes good morning five times and then he goes let's watch a movie together and then he walks off stage and i just remember his apple watch like glowing as he walks off stage and then the movie starts and i just see his hair like walking into the front row and sitting down in the front row and i'm like yeah we're just watching a movie sounds like a pixar film that's funny yeah my favorite thing that they announced which was very small yeah it was part of um i think just for like all the alexa echo products um the like smart speakers was having a motion sensor on it that can sense if somebody is in the room and how much activity there is in the room and being able to automatically control your lights based on that which i think is nice seems like something that should have existed for a long time yes it has the like motion sensor built into the speaker so then when you enter a room it can turn the lights on based on that and then i don't remember if they explained what the the activity level thing was but i guess dim lights change lights based on how much activity is going on and that all sounds way more confusing.

50:49But I just would love my smart speaker to turn my lights on when I come into a room. I feel like I've had this for a while. Do you have separate motion sensors? Like a Philips Hue setup, you can get a motion sensor. You can get a separate motion sensor. This will just be similar. If the Nest Hub Mini has been analyzing your sleep, I feel like it should be able to turn your lights on when you walk in the room. Especially because I can already ask it to turn the lights on. like just know that i'm there i feel like it's similar to this like walking up in the ui changing like but before when you're talking about timers too like can it see me if a timer goes off and it sees someone walk into the room and like open the oven be like oh i can probably turn this off i feel like we're so close to that we're close to that nest hub where like it shows the clock usually but when i walk up to it in the morning it sees my face and it says hey marquez and shows me my stats for the day it's so close to just being like all right i can see what's going on in the room let me just handle things that i know should happen oh no one's in the room anymore lights off yeah stuff like that yeah this just seems like a privacy nightmare to me well it already is a privacy nightmare and i get no benefits it's all there already and i don't get the benefits if you're just gonna watch me all the time yeah give me some extra features if you're gonna watch me sleep turn my lights off if it's gonna be a nightmare anyway let me get some convenience for sure all right that's a great place to leave it off uh but before we take our break, of course.

52:13Let's do one more trivia question. Title of this episode, Amazon Event, My Nightmare. Make My Nightmare helpful. Microsoft Paint was released. In what year? In 1985. It was released as a reaction to what software released by a competitor in 1984? And if you don't think you know the answer, 1984, the year might help. Really?

52:45why i have an answer but i know it's not right but i know ellis will like the answer that was a good hint i'm proud of you okay i have an answer let me write this do you think it's right i just don't want to forget it because you said that's i'm just why does 1984 help that didn't help me orwell software

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