Microsoft’s MacBook Killer?

36:29We'll be right back. slash campaign. Terms and conditions apply. All right, welcome back. On Monday of this week, there was a very long, interesting Microsoft event in which they announced Copilot plus PCs. It was like kind of a Microsoft event, kind of a Surface event, kind of an AI event. They had a lot of different things that they announced there. They also announced a bunch of OEM laptops, mostly because they're moving towards the age of the AI PC, as they call it. Mostly that just means that they're repackaging Windows 11 with a ton of built-in AI features. And to enable that, they need a chipset that can actually push those features forward.

37:10Wait, Windows 11? Yeah, which in this case is the Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite and X Plus processors, which were announced last October at Qualcomm Tech Summit in Hawaii. So we're finally getting those. Well, yeah, we've talked about Windows 11. I thought you just said... Yeah, I agree. I just figured new version of Windows, but I guess that's kind of not very often. I mean, originally they were saying Windows 10 was going to be the last version of Windows, and then randomly they're like, 11. I like 11 a lot. Yeah, me too. No, 11's great. I mean, yeah, they're just going to go, hey, it's Windows 11 again, but this time with Copilot.

37:44Right. I feel like they know that every couple Windows updates, they hit the bad one. Yeah. So they're really worried about that. It's alternating, yeah. No, we got it. Yeah. Yeah. No, it does alternate. 10 and 11 were both great I don't think people like 11 I like 11 actually I don't even use 11 at home but I liked 11 I used it on my old laptop I like 11 a lot maybe 11 is a good one 8 was terrible 7 was great XP was good Vista was terrible 7 was good 8 was horrible 8.1 was good I think it already had the sour taste 8 as a whole sucks 8 was when they were trying to make Windows Mobile happen. And instead of trying to make Windows Mobile look more like the computer, they tried to make the computer look more like the phone.

38:34It was always so funny when you had to go to the tile that was your desktop and just be like, never let me see this again. But then, yeah, then 10, great. Mostly because it wasn't 8, but also 10 was good. And now I like 11. Yeah, so they kind of broke the curse. They broke the curse. But now they really don't want to push it for the next one. Yeah, fair enough. Okay. 11 forever. I want to give some context on this whole shifting over to ARM PCs thing. Thank you, because you were trying to explain this to me yesterday, and I need a full explanation. Okay, yeah. So these new Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite processors, not the first time Microsoft and Qualcomm have tried to make ARM-based computers.

39:11Famously, they tried to make it in 2019 when they released this new computer called the Surface Pro X, which was an ARM-based Windows on ARM. It's going to happen this time, guys. for real, for real. Wanted to be good. And they co-branded a processor with Qualcomm that they called the Microsoft SQ1. Around that time, Qualcomm had released the Qualcomm 8CX processor, which is an awful name and was made for Windows on ARM computers. However, at the time, nobody really wanted to sign on to Windows on ARM specifically because it sucked. Good reason. Yeah. Totally fair. Qualcomm made like a lot of fanfare about the fact that their emulator, their Rosetta-esque translator emulator was really good, really efficient.

39:59The problem was that it only worked with 32-bit x86 Intel-based applications. And at that point in time, most professional applications had moved to 64-bit. So you had this problem where only super old apps were working on this translator so you could use like the the default microsoft apps on the surface pro x kind of they kind of worked and that was good but if you try to use like anything else that you download from the internet just wouldn't run games usually just wouldn't run if you could get them to run the emulation would be so slow that it was basically unplayable extremely expensive computer uh it was a lot better it was like they made the design a lot better they streamlined the bezels they made it look really nice it was good hardware but considering it was an arm-based pc the battery life was like pretty bad and there was just no reason why you should why you should buy a surface pro x over an intel-based surface pro at the time you mean it was bad for an arm pc yes Right, yeah.

41:09The Surface Pro X was also that, like, tablet-y... It was a Surface... Yeah, so the Surface Pro has always been the tablet that has the attachment keyboard. And so they made the Surface Pro X, which was their attempt at Windows on ARM. I remember seeing this at Microsoft that year. But nobody was invested in Windows on ARM, and I'm not sure if it was because it just sucked or what, but, like, none of the OEMs wanted to get involved in it. And so you pretty much only really saw, like, the Surface Pro X and maybe like one or two other computers come out. So that was their first run in 2016. And then Apple did M1.

41:462019, I think you said it right there. Yeah, 2019, not 2016. And then Apple released M1 and has just been totally smoking them for like so many years now that they're finally like, okay, guys, we really, really, really need to actually make this happen. Guys, like for real this time. For real this time, for real, for real. This whole M chip thing is like pretty good over there. I think this just showcases the difference between vertical integration and being someone like Microsoft slash Qualcomm slash Asus slash Asrock, who is all trying to work together to make something that works versus Apple, who just makes everything themselves.

42:22It's cool. I love the idea of separation and having all these different companies come together because then you have choice. You have a lot of choice, but it makes it very hard to make these things work. There's clearly pros and cons of both situations. Yes. So anyway, on Monday, they held an event in Richmond that, again, was like part Surface event because they did announce a new Surface Pro, which I think they just called the new Surface Pro, which is funny. And then also a new Surface laptop in two different sizes. And these are primarily going to be ARM-based computers that run on the new Snapdragon X Plus and Snapdragon X Elite, which in a lot of synthetic benchmarks are eclipsing M3.

43:04and I actually went to a Qualcomm event like a month ago in which they showed me all of these benchmarks and they were specifically comparing it to M3 and it was before M4 dropped on the iPad. And I think that's the whole reason that Apple put out M4 in its most basal form on the iPad is just because they knew that Qualcomm was going to compare X-Elite to all the M4 stuff or M3 stuff. and the XLE processors are specifically geared towards AI because they have 45 flop NPUs, which the M4... How many tokens is that? Those are words that mean things to me. Yeah. They have a more powerful neural engine.

43:49Yeah, they're neural engines. Yeah, exactly, exactly. So the Qualcomm neural engines are really, really beefed up and I think that's exactly what Microsoft wants specifically too because all of these features that are coming to Windows 11, and Satya's always like, we've entered the age of the AI PC, it's mostly based on that neural engine. So yeah, now that M4 is out, M4 also has way beefier neural engines. It's just we don't really know what it can do yet because Apple hasn't had the developer conference in which they release features that use the neural engine. Oh, we know what it can do. It can take pictures of documents and remove shadows.

44:23That was actually the thing I was the most excited about, to be honest. It can do stem splits. It can stem split, which is kind of cool. Yeah, but like, I don't know. I want to see what it actually does on computers. Yeah. Okay. So yeah, Microsoft's event was basically to like really showcase the X Elite and X Plus processors that are coming out. It was an OEM-based event. So we got new laptops from Acer, Asus, Lenovo, Dell, HP. And they announced some new features in Windows 11 that are AI-focused. The biggest one that most people are talking about is a feature called a recall. Yeah, this one's interesting.

45:01Which is interesting. I've heard from some sources that the internal name for this was Total Recall, which is very funny and kind of a nod to that movie. But this feature is basically, it takes snapshots of your screen every five seconds when there is something different on your screen. And it stores that in a cache. That's a lot of smarts, but also a lot of data. Yes. I look to choose. Perfect. Perfect. And it uses all of those snapshots as contextual understanding of like what you're doing, what that page or window or whatever is so that if you, I don't know, you were texting your friend or emailing your friend the other day, like, oh, what's that barbecue spot you like?

45:42And you don't remember the answer. You ask the recall feature when bring up the email where I was talking to Jessica about that barbecue spot. And then it brings it up because it has this like list of things that you've been doing on your computer for a long period of time. This is sort of the dream of what we want an AI assistant to be in a lot of ways because it's just like it knows everything that you've been doing and therefore you can really use it to help you. Yeah, it's like a superpower. Yeah. I think it's a very interesting feature. I want to get one of these laptops in to actually test and see how useful it actually is.

46:18They're saying that all of the snapshots are encrypted and stored locally on your computer never go to the cloud hopefully it doesn't come out that they're training their llms on it i don't think it will but we'll see um also they give you a lot of control over it so you can turn off recall's ability to scrape apps on an app by app basis if you want so you can say never read my gmail app or never read edge or whatever uh and you can also just turn it off entirely if you want but it is opt out so there's that um and copilot is also getting more deeply integrated into windows 11 like providing suggestions in the settings menu um it can edit files and file explorer for you and they're also wait can i butt in sorry i don't want to go too far away from recall because the first thing i thought about this was when i used to do it and being like i wish every person in this office had recall so when they could say like i don't know what happened it just the screen just went blank or like this happened i could be like i'm sure you didn't and then type in the thing that i told everyone not to do and watch them probably do that and break the computer by themselves my dad always says that my dad is like the computer just decided to do this itself and i was like no dad that's not this wouldn't help that but one time one of my bosses was like the screen just went blank and i came in and i was like oh that's weird like he's like i was just writing an email and i looked down under his desk and the computer was like sideways on the ground and i was like do you usually keep it like laying down like that so you don't knock it over he's like oh no it's usually stint what like how david does it was like a tower like but some people did on their desk put it like that and he was like oh no it's usually standing up and i was like so you kicked it in the thing i was like got it so probably probably got knocked over huh he's like yeah i guess i like put it back up and plugged it in the back he's like whoa thanks man and i was like holy yeah i know what happened yeah yeah so i don't know i i think this is a super interesting feature assuming people aren't too creeped out by it um yeah people are pretty that's a big assumption that's a big assumption yeah yeah i would i would like to see if it's actually useful though because like i don't know there's a lot of ai features that come out that are like in this very explicitly specific instance it could be useful but this is something that's sort of just like there and if you ever have a question you could look it up and i feel like that's kind of nice this is how i could see it is it comes on there's people are going to opt out because they think it's creepy and then they're going to hit a scenario where they're like dang i wish i had that on yeah i really could have used that and then i bet they turn it on yeah what is that scenario though because for me it's looking for memes that we talk about do I really want this turned on to find the meme we spoke about last week?

49:06Yeah, I mean like find a deleted tweet that you saw and you're like oh that was really funny but now it's deleted or like. I didn't even think about that. The worst thing about threads is that when you open threads and you like instinctively go to refresh it but then you see the first thread on the page and you're like oh wait I'm kind of interested in that and then it refreshes the whole thing and you're like. That happens on Twitter also. You will never see that ever again. What's Twitter? That's or i mean i've had youtube also where something's been on the recommended page on the front and like as i'm clicking refresh yeah i'm like wait oh wait what was that one and i'll never find that video ever again yeah recall yeah recall yeah solves all the terrible social media ux designs you could literally be like what was that fire post that i just missed while i refreshed yeah you meant this one yeah so i'm i'm very interested in how intel responds to all this because Intel is just like an aging, aging, aging company that like Qualcomm and ARM were always going to be the future, right?

50:06Like obviously phones got faster and had better battery life and that's obviously what we eventually wanted for computers and Apple did it and it worked. And so now Microsoft and all of their OEMs are like, all right, we're really, really putting our best foot forward this time and this is actually gonna be the future. And it is nice to see that a lot of OEMs are actually making a bunch of laptops that are X-Elite powered. Because last time it was pretty much just Microsoft and the one laptop they released for it sucked. These laptops look sick. They look good. I want like five of them. Yeah. Surface laptops?

50:41Yeah. So we can talk about the new updates. There's a new Surface Pro, which again, they're just kind of calling the Surface Pro. It's the first time they've put an OLED panel in the Surface Pro as an option. Although the OLED panel does add$500, which is quite a lot but it is available with the wait no no no but you also get the upgraded chip with that$500 too. Yeah you get the X Elite version. Oh so it's not only a$500 upgrade. Yeah yeah yeah yeah true Dave. Okay yeah yeah yeah there's the X Pro chip and the X Elite chip. The X Elite chip is a lot more powerful so it's nice to get the OLED in there and then they also announced a new Surface Flex keyboard so prior the Surface the Surface Pros were like they would be a tablet and you would attach this keyboard that was also kind of like a folio we've seen that happen in every tablet known to man at this point but the keyboard had to be attached to the computer in order for you to use that as keyboard now you can wirelessly use it when you take it off of the tablet which is kind of nice that's one of those things that felt like it should have just been happening the whole time they never had a battery in the keyboard it was just powered by the pins I also like that the keyboard it looks like there's an alcantara version and i kind of missed the the old surface laptops that had that option tara yeah yeah yeah the alcantara was nice i have a question david sure about the surface pro so is the snapdragon x elite a like sort of unified platform in the same way that apple's arm platform is where the memory and the and the storage and the motherboard and the graphics processor are all like on one board?

52:19Yeah, I believe so. Okay. Then assuming that is true, you can only put 16 gigs of RAM in this thing, which makes it not a very pro device. Do you have the super fast memory? Does it seem like we'll get the super fast memory swap on this that renders RAM a little bit less useful? Or is this another Microsoft product that they're calling a pro product and then just expecting people to go make a sandwich? Microsoft pro products have literally never been pro products. almost ever the surface pro series has never been fast yeah so you know it's more about the flexibility i guess i'd forgotten all about the i knew they had some sort of tablet but i forgot it was called the pro so when you said surface pro before i just assumed it was like and i just always think it's just like the nicer laptop oh seven or whatever but tablet that has the i'm super excited about this thing as someone who at home uses their asus zenbook fold and really enjoys it this just seemed like a better version of that but without like what am i supposed to do with 16 gigabytes of i can floss my teeth with 16 gigabytes of ram you know what i mean that's nothing this has 32 gigs i'm specking one out right now and the highest option is do you have x elite yeah hold on let me double check all this okay um well that new chrome tabs the new surface flex keyboard is very cool however it is 350 dollars um which is the same price as the apple 13 inch ipad magic keyboard i was wrong you can't spec it up to 32 gigs okay good okay cool my bad floss your teeth with that but again again the surface pros have never been like yeah pro devices also just saying the second highest tier option is called dune instant isn't that just the color oh f**k I'm misinformation king over here I'm off the podcast wait also I've got a thing up right here that says Surface Pro Flex Keyboard with Slim Pen $449 is that because you're getting it with the pen is there a way to buy it like 90 bucks wow or maybe if you buy it with the computer I keep also reading this as slime pen and it's so much more interesting than slim pen insane yeah that's a lot i don't know yeah it's a lot of money and i just gotta say both to apple and microsoft stop charging 350 dollars for you know how sick of a keyboard i could build for 450 dollars yeah yeah that's true it's not the same thing maybe i should do a short of that this is extortion like how much keyboard can you get especially considering on the surface pro you can barely use that as a computer without one of the keyboards you kind of need it and you can get the cheaper ipad but it's like yeah the ipad pro it's literally called the pro but like most people but the ipad is also focused around using it as like a touchscreen tablet device and like adding the keyboard is sort of like i want to make this a computer now whereas a microsoft tablet is not as useful windows is not that useful as a tablet it's just they try they try to make it that way but it's just not it's mouse and keyboard first yeah i have to say they do a good job at showing some examples of where this now new wireless keyboard would be uh like nice one of them is in here he has like the tablet on a coffee table with the kickstand and he's using it on his lap but like that would be awesome on a plane because now i have it on the thing but i'm not the one typing my keyboard making the guy's seat in front of you like shaking put in your lap and then he also has this cool situation where he has the tablet semi propped up using the stylus but then he still has the keyboard to the left with his left hand to do shortcut keys that's cool i bet tim would find that pretty interesting yeah except it's windows yeah i figured it out you as of on the pre-order page you could only pre-order it with 32 gigs of ram if you choose the platinum color the pro platinum otherwise color yeah otherwise if you choose sapphire black or dune Why is this?

56:23We were just talking about this with Apple. If you get the pro versions of things, you get boring colors. Yep. It's because those are the most popular colors by far. But I do. Because you don't offer us better colors anymore. Mystic bronze. That's an old one. Okay. Callback. Callback. Okay. In the laptop, we also have a new Surface laptop, and there are two sizes, which is nice. They made the smaller size slightly bigger. it's now 13.8 inches and there's also a 15 inch also both oled both 600 nits not 10 not tandem uh starts at 16 gigs of ram with 256 gigs of storage for 99 999 i also want to say in order to use recall you have to have 50 gigabytes of storage available okay which if you buy the 256 gigabyte model that means you only really have two which is kind of less than probably less than 200 because the OS takes up storage.

57:20You're probably only really going to have like 150 gigs. Now, the benefit of the Surface laptop is that there's a slot, and I think on the Surface Pro as well, there's a slot on the back where you can swap out the memory extremely easily. You can add in memory just on the back of the computer. Memory or storage? Storage, sorry. Okay, yeah. Sorry, storage, not RAM, sorry. That's good because I floss my teeth with 150 gigs. I don't even know how that analogy would work. but you know what I mean it's so thin that you could yeah it's like nothing it's nothing it's worthless 150 gigs I wake up and I blow my nose and 16 gigs of RAM it's going to go right out one thing really cool that I think is also worth pointing out Dave2D pointed out in his video is the bottom of the screen now is rounded so all four edges are rounded and I never noticed that and now I can't not see that on my MacBook I was about to say that the MacBook is rounded at the tops but on the bottom it's not I never noticed Now it bothers me so much.

58:19This is fucking bullshit. You don't notice it as much on the MacBook because most of the apps round the corners on the bottom and then the dock makes it so the app isn't full screen unless you're using full screen mode. But it's a lie. But you just don't notice. What background am I using? They're darker on the bottom so it's harder to see. The backgrounds are always darker on the bottom. Apple designers, they know what they're doing. They've been hiding those. It's like when the iPhone first came out. They still do it. yeah when the iphone 10 first came out with the notch they intentionally made yeah the wallpaper is gradiented to darkness oh yes notch or dynamic island well it was a notch there well now they still kind of like creatively hide the dynamic island with darker colors but they are a It's like a feature now so they want to show it off.

59:08A little bit. It's the discerning difference in the new iPhone. Like AI is hallucinating. Yeah. It's a feature. Not a bug. It's a feature. Enjoy it. So the laptop for me is a lot more interesting than the Surface Pro in this scenario because they actually upgraded a lot of things on the laptop that is very nice. They now have a haptic touchpad, very similar to the MacBooks. So it's kind of the same thing where there's not actually a physical button, but it's a motor that presses back on you. I'm very interested in seeing if that's comparable to the MacBook's touchpad. It's probably about the same, which is pretty cool.

59:40There are now two USB-C and one USB-A, whereas prior I believe it was one USB-C and one USB-A. And then they have the Surface Connect charger on the right. And they're saying that it can get up to 22 hours of video playback, which is pretty comparable with the MacBooks. Sounds pretty good. Yeah. And this is kind of their big move to try to unseat the MacBook Air as the most popular computer in the world, basically. because the MacBook Air just sells like hotcakes, because everything about it is incredible. Yeah, it's already, I mean, like, I loved my Surface laptop. I don't remember which one it was, because all of them look exactly the same, which I don't think is a bad thing.

1:00:18I think it's a really sleek, nice-looking laptop. I loved traveling with it. It was small. It's way easier to carry around than this thing. The problem, it will never beat the MacBook Air, but that's not of its own fault. It's that Windows has a million competitors. It's just like why one Android phone is never going to beat an iPhone. it's like there's way too many different ones to pick from and different price points where if you just want a Mac. Careful Andrew careful. You just mean in pure sales. In pure sales. Yeah I think it's. Oh yeah yeah sorry that's what I. It's semi comparable to the Pixel because Google makes Android just like Microsoft makes Windows and then they have a flagship device that they want to show off that OS on.

1:00:56And I don't think normal people care about that. I agree. And they do their best as far as vertical integration but it's never quite as complete full stack as like apple's top to bottom right thing well this is my question to you yesterday david because i also think the surface line is very similar to the pixel line and google eventually started making tensor their own chip yeah i was asking if you think microsoft will eventually make well they tried to make their own chip with the sq1 which was like a custom design chip with qualcomm which is basically exactly what google did with tensor because snap because uh samsung actually made the chip for them but they designed it so it was similar where like microsoft had a lot of input in the design of the processor for the co-branded chip the sq1 um i could see them eventually doing that just because they're investing so much in ai that i could see them being like we want our own chip that qualcomm will manufacture but we will like design i'm sure every major tech company is basically like we would like to make our own chip.

1:01:57Yeah. I mean, OpenAI is trying to make their own chip. So, yeah, which is crazy. Ham. That's a great, yeah. They also made the Surface laptops a little bit thicker in the middle so that they could put the Snapdragon X Elite chip, the best one, in it. So now when you buy a Surface laptop, you get, like, the fastest new ARM-based processor that there is. Okay. Okay, theoretically, these X-Elite processors are extremely good at emulation, have extremely good battery life, and can run everything. Hopefully, they took their blunders from last time and actually made a translator that is just as good as Rosetta.

1:02:36They say it's just as good as Rosetta 2. So I really, really am interested in trying to play games on this thing, right? Because if you want to play Valorant on this, like it's an ARM-based computer, can I emulate it? that well you know like on my macbook pro i play dota 2 and i get 144 fps out of it now that is compiled natively for linux and for mac which is cool um but it's gonna be interesting when it's emulating yeah so yeah it was a pretty big event that had like a lot of stuff in it i think the big things were uh the new chips recall and the refreshed computers and there's also a bunch of computers from all those other oems so there's a lot of articles online if you want to go check out those other laptops as well i think it's like comparing these i know everyone wants to be like this is the macbook killer the macbook air like this is going to be better than the macbook air but i feel like microsoft mostly should just want to take over the windows segment of laptops like they are also compared competing against dell and hp and all of their other partners which i guess they still you know are making money off them if they're probably more money off them yeah you don't more money that's a good point but like if they want to be the laptop of windows like that feels like the better well they have the same issue that google has right they make android and they rely on other manufacturers especially in countries where pixel is not that popular but also want to beat them yeah or it's like a weird a lot of people always tweeted us and stuff saying right pixels aren't even available in a lot right totally yeah and so that's i think that's why they're like available on pixel only for three months and then everyone gets it because they want other people to they want these other oems to be incentivized to still make phones and not turn out like htc or lg and that may devices yeah and i may that may also a little bit be uh to avoid the little anti-trusty stuff where you can't just i mean you can but you'll get sued if you just build a whole bunch of things only for yourself right kind of like the way apple has like with the Apple Watch.

1:04:35Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it's also like Google makes most of its money on Google Play services. And that just means the more Android devices you have in the wild, the more money you're going to make no matter who makes it. So that's the reason that they haven't really cared about the Pixel that much until fairly recently. And now I think the only reason they're really caring about the Pixel is because the iPhone market share is just skyrocketing so much. So I think Microsoft's doing a great job with all these laptops. And it's not just the laptops they're putting out but in that sense of like being the easier to recommend laptop they're going into best buy stores and making really good displays that are simple these laptops look really nice they are like the same company making the operating system and the actual computer and like they're making it just seem way friendlier and i i don't know i've always liked the surface stuff even though i switched to a macbook i gotta say the sapphire and the dune colors are really good looking they're really nice and honestly it's like it's just exciting to have a viable windows option now because the only use case in buying a windows computer in the past has been like one if you need one for work because you run certain applications that only run on windows two you need backwards compatibility with old windows stuff which is a lot of people and three uh i'm trying to remember the third one you're a rebel you're a rebel you want to use your oh Oh, gaming.

1:05:54Gaming computers. Because you want a really good GPU, and also because most games are Windows and or Linux only, and generally Windows only. And DirectX is backward compatible all the way, baby. Yeah, DirectX. If you want to be like me and use your Surface laptop at the Apple event, it's always a fun one. And be the only one who got Wi-Fi that one time, so that was also fun. Yeah, true Rebel. If you want Wi-Fi at an Apple event, get a Surface laptop. I got to say, I am extremely lucky that the only video game that I play is natively available on Mac, because otherwise I would really need a Windows computer.

1:06:24I don't know. I got to say, like, it's really nice that outside of those use cases, you can now, like, think about buying Windows. Because like we were saying earlier, I really like Windows 11, and it runs a lot of things really well. And they also partnered with a bunch of very popular application makers, like Adobe. A bunch of Adobe apps are now natively compiled for ARM64. DaVinci Resolve is now natively compiled for ARM64. CapCut's now compiled for M64. And Resolve has a lot of AI features in it now. And they showed me some demos when I was at that Qualcomm event the other day. And it processes those AI, like, it's like AI tracking and, like, masking and stuff in real time.

1:07:05And it's really, really fast. I imagine once M4 and M4 Pro and M4 Max come to these laptops and they have all of these AI features, they're probably also going to accelerate those kind of tasks in things like tracking in Final Cut. It's just cool. And also having Windows computers have good battery life finally is really nice. I think it's funny that your example was maybe you need it for work when mine's the exact opposite as my work computer is my Mac stuff. And I was running a Windows laptop and a Windows computer at home. And you're a huge gamer too, so that's why. Yeah, I mean the laptop not playing games on it, but I just like Windows better.

1:07:45Yeah, me too. The fact that this is just my work computer and that I can take it home, it's just easier to do everything on the same computer that's going to translate to when it's at work. But I like Windows. Yeah. Team Windows. Yeah. Hashtag. Yeah. And having a bunch of computers that are actually good is going to be really great. Who to thunk it? So I'm really, really hoping that it doesn't turn out like the 8CX scenario. I don't think it will, but we'll have to see. So big event. big news uh i guess we should take it to the trivia question lots of good names lots of good names good names i'm sarcastic x elite oh name yeah branding baby all right next question what do the record player bubble wrap the unix operating system and condensed soup which is soup with almost all the water removed all have in common it's definitely not something can you put those four things on like a screen so we can just see them later this is more like a New York Times word game than it is trivia listen New York Times is like basically a gaming company now keep doing this and then maybe they'll buy it from us put it in their app for a subscription seven figures alright we'll be back

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1:12:03Maybe that could be something interesting. But yeah, having updates in software and EVs are really cool because you can add things later to them, which is awesome. Hopefully there aren't any companies out there that want to take apps away from us because that would be terrible. Yeah, that'd be ridiculous. Did you see that Tesla's taking steam out of? What? Nice second. My cyberpunk. On my Model S plan. So apparently a bunch of people who, or well, previously in 2022, they added an option to the infotainment system on Model S and X, where you could have Steam on your infotainment system because they had 16 gigs of RAM and a dedicated GPU.

1:12:45I believe that's the difference on why you could start doing that. I'm not deep in the Tesla culture. I never, I thought it was just a, I guess what I thought, and this is, this could be totally wrong. so ignore me if I'm wrong but I thought it was that the the computer that they use to drive the UI on the screen and to power the self-driving happened to also be powerful enough to run games if you're not driving is that I don't know if that's explicitly the reason but I just I know that they did use an Nvidia GPU that was powerful enough to like play The Witcher and Cyberpunk I thought it was because that was powerful enough to run all the input signal processing for like full self-driving because tesla famously minimal and cost cutting would not just put a thousand dollar gpu in the car for funsies for sure for the lulz you don't think elon would put something in for the not if it costs it definitely wasn't just to play games on right so i i pictured it as a for other fun consequence of having a powerful computer in the car for other functions it can also play some games yeah cool but apparently they don't need that specific a computer anymore and the one they're using now doesn't have the same ability to play these steam games so they're just taking steam out that's yes there was people who have reservations for the s and the x that saw in the features that steam will not be available anymore um and then i saw something about people saying that their cyber trucks that they own now does not have steam support the operating system is not rated to handle what steam requires well so somebody uh i have steam there's a an article here that says the cybertruck did not receive a dedicated graphics processing unit and many people are noting that they don't have access to seam on their foundation series um and that it also only has eight gigs of ram so it seems like a lesser is that that's what the model 3 and the model y use right i don't know but i wouldn't be shocked it has the same like single screen in the middle so it feels like it could be the same okay so maybe it's just it's not as powerful as the old snx and it seems like potentially it seems like the new snx are getting this less powerful version which won't have steam which again is only something that's really interesting when you're sitting and possibly charging for 20 30 plus minutes you're like waiting for i don't know you're waiting outside the school to pick up your kid or something just playing cyberpunk or yeah cuphead freaking out that how much road rage would that induce of just like being really mad you died in Dark Souls.

1:15:15It's sad for a rage. Because you get to freak out in the game and then go back to living life. No, then you're all amped up because now you're like, well, now I'm not sitting here long enough. I need to beat this Dark Souls boss. And now you're driving as fast as possible home. So are they taking Steam off of existing cars who had it? I don't believe so because they would still have, they still have the hardware that can run it. Yeah, but they could just disable it in software, but they're not going to do that, right? I have not seen anything about that. It seems more like a update in the reservations where, let's see, it says, this is somebody's reservation order.

1:15:47And it says, Tesla's making the following changes. There's something about Tesla Vision. And then there's a part at the bottom that says gaming features. Tesla's updating the gaming computer and your Model X and your vehicle is no longer capable of playing Steam games. All other entertainment and app functionalities are unaffected. Wow. So all 12 of you who are going to get this car specifically because you could play Steam games, you're gonna have to look elsewhere. Sorry. You only memed about this for a long time. That's the problem. it's just like it felt like a big almost a not selling point but definitely a feature that was in it that was like advertised and uh like applauded it was like play cyberpunk and there were so many videos of people playing cuphead like in their tesla as being this really cool thing yeah it's one of those i think it's one of those gimmicks that it's a gimmick it was on the website and it was talked about, but not a single real person actually bought the car because of that.

1:16:42No, but I'm sure there's people who bought the car who were excited about it. Yeah. And I bet there's people who made a reservation excited about it and now their car is not going to have it. Also, there's like that... And it won't change their order. They'll still order it. Accessory trays that allow you to put a mouse and keyboard on there. And if I could play Dota in my car while waiting for it to charge, that'd be pretty sick. It would. I mean, you can. You can with your iPad that you have already or you can't play dota on an ipad your surface pro you should laptop yeah when someone's when someone's playing really poorly like your teammate is one of your like toxic insults like what are you playing this at a supercharger right now yeah it is now i'm trying to think of like an equivalent feature that it's on the same level of for tesla's like fart mode where you can like program your horn to be a whoopee cushion yeah it's like yeah if they took that away it would technically be taking away a feature and i'm sure like 12 people who are really excited about it wouldn't be mad but i think you're underestimating how many times people are sitting at superchargers and want something to do and like being able to play a game makes that so much more entertaining life and i saw a lot of people at superchargers and they just had their phone out and they and i'm like sitting next to dozens of other cars capable of doing cool things on the screen watching youtube watching netflix watching nobody's doing it i've never seen someone do it but i think it's cool you can yeah it's cool i bet a lot of people do it that have it i thought they already removed whoopee cushion mode like now you can only use it in park if you're driving with a custom horn it reverts to the right normal horn yeah it's just a parked button press type thing okay funny haha yeah yeah yeah that's kind of it so yeah i i'm sure yeah taking away features is never fun yeah i mean at least it's not removing it from existing cars because that would be really, really lame.

1:18:31That would be me. This is clearly cost-cutting. I think we all agree with that. Yeah, yeah. And I'm sure there's some people who will be upset and they will probably still purchase the car anyways. Yeah. But it still sucks for them. Yeah. Yep. My only kind of analogy I could think of would be maybe pet mode. Like if they got rid of pet mode. That would be horrible. Pet mode has like a decent function. I know a lot of people who use that. Oh, people actually use that. oh well then never mind pet mode is awesome is when you leave your car in a parking lot with your pet in it it keeps the ac on and keeps the temperature on and i feel like that's super useful yeah the thing on the screen might be the most beneficial part because then you're also like so nobody my dog is not dying in this car right pet mode good utility you know games it's it's good utility too to like burn some time i just feel like i every time i was at a supercharger I never saw anyone doing it.

1:19:27Everyone would be on their phone. And the phone's hooked up to the Bluetooth of the car anyway, so you're just on your phone. I'm sure there's plenty of people who use it. I would be... If I was using superchargers all the time and I had Steam on it, I would definitely just download some game that each checkpoint would only take 10 to 15 minutes, and I would do that every single time. Unless you're good at it. All right. um we got to talk really quick about the sonos headphones uh oh they exist because wow they exist we have you have we haven't had this whole time just off camera you guys haven't known this but look at that we've had them for a couple weeks now yeah they're they're here's what i can say because i can't i haven't reviewed them yet and there is a separate uh time where that will come I wanted the case, not the headphones.

1:20:19They are$450, right? So Sonos, they've made these very premium speakers and soundbars in the past, and I think they have such a good reputation. Oh, magnets. Yeah, you've got to love the magnets. That's a great design. The case, which you guys are admiring, has like, they come in black or white, and they have this like felt, not microfiber, but like a soft recycl-y type of feel. The colors in case remind me a lot of the Microsoft Surface headphones. They're almost the same color and materials. Very similar. This is the matte black. There is also a matte white, which I think looks just like the Surface matte white as well.

1:20:58They're plastic. They're lighter weight. They get compared a lot to AirPods Max because I think just because they're expensive Bluetooth headphones. I think they kind of look like it from the side. Really? Yeah, there's pictures of people wearing them. and it has a, I think that it kind of looks like AirPods Max with the like Sony or the Sony headset headband. There's not Johnny Ive tweeted about them. He said the Sonos app died so the Ace Pods Max could live. Yeah, the Sonos app has gotten so much flack lately. It's gotten the removable ear cups and everything. Like they're very solid fundamentally.

1:21:34They have active noise cancellation. They have some controls on them. They have an on off button. Pretty cool. That's pretty cool. They have USB-C. USB-C on them. And they are much lighter. They're plastic. They're a lot lighter than AirPods Max, so they feel closer to the Sonys or the Bose. Yeah. They don't fold. So if you want to travel with them, you'll need this case right here. At least they have a case and an on-off button, so they're easier to travel with, but you'll need this case right here, which has this little cleverly magnetizing cable holder. They don't even spin the right way, like the XM5s.

1:22:07They don't fully spin, yeah. Well, but usually they spin into you, so the cushions on your chest when you spin them in, these spin out. Yeah. Right? I'm doing this for you? Yeah, you're right. It's the right side. Yeah. Who? Sorry. Yeah, so they're fine. I mean, I have a lot more to say about actually using them. I've gone a couple flights with them. I think they have some other interesting features that I haven't been able to talk about yet, but at least people now know they exist. People have been wondering, is Sonos going to make headphones for like years now because of how good the soundbars are?

1:22:38Yeah, of course they are. and they're entering at the top of the market at$450. So people are very curious about this type of thing. So review coming soon. I'll put it that way. All right. That's it. Sweet. That's it. There you go. Cool. Well, segue, trivia. All right. Great segue. Nice. Thank you. I wrote both my answers already. Miles is going to Wawa right now if anyone wants anything. I'm good. Listeners? Anyone? Wawa? Anything from Wawa? Cool. Good. Put your orders in the comments. Yeah. Yeah. Put your Wawa orders in the comments, please. Damn, now I really want to read the Wawa orders in the comments.

1:23:16I need a pen. Sorry, I had two. Well, David gets a pen. I have one. Not doing the printer question, but if you know it, put it in the comments. Wait, say it one more time. What component sits between the ink supply pump and the ceramic crystal in an inkjet printer? What's a ceramic crystal? I don't know what the ceramic crystal is. The ceramic crystal is, are you familiar with like how quartz clocks works? It's sort of similar to a quartz clock. It does ultrasonic vibrations, helps get the ink flowing to the head. Nope. The jet head. Anyway, the real question. The first ever industrial robot, Unimate, worked in a General Motors production line in what United States state?

1:23:58I think that is going to be a trick question. It's not. It's got to be. It's one where the answer seems so obvious that if I try and pick something else and then I'm wrong, I'll feel like a moron. Think deep, Andrew. Deeper. Look deep within yourself. Jersey. Deeper. Central Jersey. Doesn't exist. Shut up, Ellis. Go back to the West Coast. I would love to. Or Pennsylvania.

1:24:26All right. You're all wrong, but say it at the same time. One, two, three. Wisconsin. The correct answer is Jersey. New Jersey. I should have known when you just like tried to keep the straightest face possible that that's what it is. We've cursed three times this podcast. I've cursed three times this podcast. Alright, quick update on the score. Marquez with nine. Andrew not carrying the one with eight. David with nine. When am I carrying the one? When you're ahead by one. I should have guessed it. Oh, it used to be when I was behind by a million. Now it's when I'm ahead by one. That was a trick question.

1:25:09Because Michigan is the only state that has cars related to it. We all thought. That's just not true. That's a complete lie. What do the record player, bubble wrap, the Unix operating system, and condensed soup all have in common? It's a phonograph. Yeah, phonograph is the device I was referencing, but it's functionally the same as a record player. Google Hangouts. I was just going to do that. Dropcam. Google Optimize. Google Bookmarks. Backup and Sync. Fitstar Yoga. What? Yep. Measure. Timely. Fitstar Yoga. Fitstar Yoga. Thanks, Google. what do we have

1:25:59oh f*** interesting alright one by one these are good these are good oh interesting Marquez and I have the same thing I wrote they're all invented by the same person imagine that resume just saying it was like the the tinder right there was that question that was like they're both Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it was only two things. Good memory. Good memory. The same. Okay, my answer was they all pop slash crackle in different ways. How does soup pop and crackle? When you apply too much heat. No, no, no. When you put soup in the microwave, it gets hotter at the bottom and then it pops. But that's the water that does.

1:26:41No, no, no. Condensed soup doesn't have it. I'm not going to give you the point, but that's a good answer. How does the Unix operating system pop slash crackle? Oh, yeah. When? When you put it in the microwave.

1:26:56The correct answer is all four of these things were invented. In New Jersey. In the great state of New Jersey. I'm a bad New Jersey and I'm sad about this. You know what's funny? So if you ever land at Newark Airport Terminal A and if you walk through that terminal, there's a bunch of like new screens. Oh, yeah. So people are like flying in from all sorts of places and they land and there's like trivia questions on them. And every single trivia question answer is New Jersey. So it just says like, where do you think I was going to ask? Where is this college? It's New Jersey. Where was this fun pair of things invented?

1:27:33New Jersey. Every single answer is New Jersey. And that's what this reminded me of. They do have a photo of my small town in there because we just have this old mill that's very picturesque. And you'll see in pictures of like New Jersey all over the place. and that is the only thing our stupid little town has. Nice. Yeah. We need to get Marquez inducted into the New Jersey Hall of Fame. Is that a thing? We need a Turnpike Rest Stop named after Marquez. That's way cooler. But I've written an email or two to the New Jersey Hall of Fame trying to get you inducted because I thought it'd be like a fun birthday present or something and they have not responded.

1:28:08No, you need like a Lifetime Achievement Award type. That's like a... I don't think you get in under about 50 years old. I mean, who's bigger, Marquez or... Bruce Springsteen. He's in it. Judy Blume in the New Jersey Hall of Fame. Apparently Gary Vaynerchuk went to my high school. Old. You gotta be old. That's one of the rules. You gotta be old. They don't say that, but that's one of the rules. You gotta be old. I think that's the rule. Anyway, that's it for this podcast this week. We've talked about it a lot. Of course, we want to know what you guys are thinking in the comments, so fearfully leave those below as well.

1:28:41Let us know what other New Jersey fun facts you have. You made it this far on the podcast. so might as well leave a comment. Leave us fun facts about New Jersey down in the comments below. Okay. Thanks. Catch you guys in the next one. Peace. Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Roven. We're partnered with Vox Media Podcast Network and our intro to our music was created by Vane Still.

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