Modular Tech is Cool Again!

41:53So now there's the budget phone nothing, which has a sub-brand called CMF, which has a phone. And this is the Phone 2, but it's the Phone 2 Pro instead of the Phone 2. So there is no Phone 2. It's the Phone 2 Pro. sub-brand sub-brand pro phone this hurts me anyway this is it it's actually really good and that's the crazy part about it is i'm reviewing this one right now it may be out by the time this pod is out maybe not but spoiler alert i really like it it's pretty now the phone one the nothing the cmf phone one phone one not the nothing phone one right the nothing the cmf phone one when it came out uh had a lot of interesting things going for it had this modular fun interesting design not the best specs in the world but it was kind of cool that you could take the back off and replace it with another back those modules don't all still work with this phone the language still does because they use the little thumbscrew design at the bottom corner but the rest don't but instead what they've done here is they've changed the system to a sort of accessory back which is this thing right here which has two really cool things about it one is it has a mounting point for camera lenses that will go over the top of the primary sensor cool and two you see this magnet right here in the shape of the magsafe magnet how does that work it is the strongest magsafe magnet i have ever felt ever i've attached this to the to like random other various magsafe accessories wireless chargers the phone doesn't even wear it was charged by the way i'll just pop it on on a wireless charger just to attach it.

43:27And it is so strong. So this back is really cool. You take the screws off the back of the Phone 2 Pro. You pop the white back on. You put the screws back on, tap the thumbscrew back in, and then you can pop any one of, well, there's currently two lenses that they've made. CMF made a macro lens and a fisheye lens. So the concept is now here. I was looking back at the last phone. Some people made some third-party accessories for the first CMF phone. uh they didn't make any new ones after they launched cmf didn't yeah yeah there was a couple cool backs that people made so i'm curious if that's going to happen again with this if we might see some other phone lenses people make for it it kind of depends on how well the phone itself does but in general it's a roughly 279 phone that's pretty good um yeah that is it's a 5000 milliamp hour battery it's a 3000 nit 1080p 120 hertz display it's ammo led it's got 33 watt charging it's 128 gigs of storage um it's very responsive the software is great it's got all the same features as a nothing phone it still has the essential space too with that extra button triple cameras is like i think the reason they're calling it pro yeah uh but it is just a 1x a 2x and an ultra wide the 2x let me be honest i don't really find it that useful it's a dramatically worse sensor than the primary and it's only 2x and the ultra wide is also a tiny sensor and it's eight megapixels but if you want to shoot ultra wides at least you have one uh but yeah it's a it's just a really all-around solid phone to use nice big display with very small bezels i think in general i find it a great value for money what is the point of these those screws the screws those screws are simply there to hold the new back on so you they sit there all the time yeah you can take those screws off this goes on top of that continue to use the display but they add that white back goes on top of the existing back you don't take the back off anymore i have a couple of questions and complaints yes uh one why didn't they just put the magnet in the phone i've asked that about many phones in the past it seems like uh i'm just going to leave that back on the phone all the time that sucks because this color sucks yeah white this is beautiful they're not other colors i assume there are other colors there's an orange there is a black and then there's this light green but they're all matte right uh yes the orange is kind of like this half half tone okay half matte half glossy could maybe be interested in that but i feel it's very pretty and it's kind of sad that you're just covering it up all the time like yeah i don't really see the point in having these mount screws because it's like it already looks very nice and then you have to just destroy the colorway you know maybe people will make other better looking backs since it's just like a modular system.

46:12That's true. Maybe CMF. But then if you did that, you wouldn't have the magnets. Yeah, really, those magnets are good. Yeah. They hold up in the car dash super well, very strong. It'd work well in the Slate Auto truck. For sure. Yeah. So tell me about the accessories that they made for this phone. So there's a couple. There's one, the lanyard is basically the same as the last one. So if you want to have your phone on a lanyard, which I learned from the comments of the last CMF review, that apparently in Japan, very common. There's also a wallet. Now, this was my beef with the Apple wallet, you know, the MagSafe wallet on the back of the iPhone.

46:46I said in the video when I first reviewed it, like, this is way too weak. I do not trust this. I put it in my pocket. It pops right off the back of the phone. And I got heat for that. Bro, I still stand by that. It's too weak to be a wallet that I trust. This one, they also did a wallet for it, and it is rock solid, and I actually would trust it. It holds, like, two or three cards, and then it also has a folding kickstand mechanism. So it's a wallet slash kickstand that magnetizes to the back. That's pretty cool. I think that there's one more. I don't even remember what it is, but that's kind of it.

47:19It's just the lenses they've made for the cameras, the other accessories. Okay. Yeah. It's kind of sad that most of the other accessories from the CMF Phone 1 do not work on this. That sort of highlights the pain points of modularity and like modular systems, this always happens. Companies come out and they're like, look at this. We're going to have this awesome ecosystem. It's going to be so cool. But has it been like eight to 10 months since the CMF-1 came out and it's already replaced and you can't do anything with the accessories? Yep. That kind of sucks. Yeah. Kind of sucks. I was kind of thinking they were going to make that, the screw in the bottom, like the main point that everything would attach to so that it could truly be like go across generations.

48:03Yeah. But now they're not doing that. so yeah i think it looks pretty solid interesting so i think it looks great the price is very good oh yeah for what you're getting so the last cmf phone was like 200 bucks roughly it was great it was plastic oh there's a couple things that they improved though from that cmf phone that i think they heard from people that like kind of make it worth upgrading like the first cmf phone had no nfc this one the first thing i noticed is it asked me if i wanted to add my card for payment and i was like oh they added nfc to this phone so you can do mobile payments and all the things that come with like mass transit mobile stuff they added that it's nfc in this which is great yeah um they still don't have wireless charging but i'm just happy it has an ultra wide at all so that's awesome it's uh only the bottom only the bottom camera oh so the primary camera if you add one of these add-on lenses it only goes over the primary camera and it just pops right in doesn't even have a thread just like push in to add the camera okay got it and then yep I think that's potentially a...

49:01I don't know. It doesn't feel... I know you can use the outside parts of it, but I feel like pushing in means you're probably smudging the lenses every time. Yes. Which you can wipe it off quick, but I feel like a thread would be nice. How much do these lenses cost? I don't know. One thing that annoyed me about the... Three things that annoyed me about the lenses. One, I don't know how much they cost. Two, they do smudge very easily and are not easy to clean. Oh, yeah. And three... they don't come with a case of any kind so they're kind of just loosing your pocket or something like you have to figure out a way to carry them with you because you're not going to just leave it on the phone all the time that's awkward yeah because this would not slide into your pocket very easily it wouldn't and you also don't want to take all your pictures in fisheye yeah it is hard to carry this isn't thrasher magazine no I don't know what that is it's an old skateboarding old skateboarding and fisheyes go together like spaghetti and meatball.

49:59I just... Lamb and tuna fish. It kind of feels like they could have allowed you to do all of these things without the cover. Like if they had put the magnet inside of it, if they had just added... I don't know. They could have made the lens a little bit thicker or something. I'm very curious about the person who is actually interested in buying the fisheye and or macro because people famously do not care about macro lenses at all. That's the cheap part that companies throw in the phones when they want to add a third camera they're always like in a two megapixel macro lens for sure the first thing i pictured was the person who buys a moment lens for their iphone yeah and obviously that's a much higher end system like an iphone camera plus a moment lens is going to be different from the cmf you know macro and whatever's going on here yeah um which is actually a line in my video which is i don't know if it's right to ponder a high-end version of this because maybe we've already seen it you remember the moto z yeah and the Hasselblad mod on the back of that thing it's like we've tried this before and it doesn't really sell yeah uh but it is still cool that it's a thing you could do and if you ever want to spend the however cheap it is and have some fun with a macro or a fisheye you could do it what about the xiaomi phone with the uh the telephoto adapter thing on it yeah that was actual or the Vivo was it Vivo that had the glass yeah the glass thing we could attach to it you know there's higher end phones that have a fisheye and a macro built into the phone and they have the magnets not necessarily in the phone but that's something we would like to see more of them do so yes I agree it would be nice if it was in the phone I have some prices that I found out nothing forum post okay universal cover 25 euros which is this yep yes 25 dollars for this euros but yes similar it's interchangeable lenses so I'm confused it says interchangeable lenses fisheye and macro so you get both I think this is both 40 bucks 40 euros oh are you looking at my screen or okay 100 no 35 very good guess okay wallet stands do you want to guess or do you want me to just I think they might upcharge a little more and go I think they might I think they might go 40 just for that 35 okay okay so there's a bundle there's two bundles One is the cover and the wallet or lenses.

52:21Are you still guessing? 55. 50 euro. 45. 45. 45. And then there's a bundle too, which is the cover wallet and lenses. Everything. 60. 55. 65. Dang it. Those are like, I feel like a bundle of a cover wallet and all that, like basically everything. 65 euros doesn't sound that bad, but just the cover at 25 feels. Yeah, you're not going to just get the cover. I mean, you could just get the cover just to stick it on magnets. Or if you want the different colors of the cover. True. Yeah. Yeah. It's an interesting strategy to be like, we're making a quote-unquote modular phone, but we're charging a ton of money.

52:59It's the slate. It's the slate truck. It's the slate truck. Charging a ton of money for all the components. That's funny. So this is another slate truck. I don't know. It seems like a pretty good phone on its own. I'm really glad that they brought NFC to it. No, it really is. So, I mean, I've used this phone for a couple days now. it is all the same stuff as a nothing phone and it's 120 hertz and it's responsive and the display gets plenty bright and it's 1080p and i feel like when i use this phone it's very easy to think it's a 450 phone yeah and it's not so that's that's the good thing about it okay so yeah shout out to the cmf phone 2 pro speaking of companies that used to be one plus one plus um i used to still am but I used to, too.

53:41I used to as well. Hey! Good reference. Well, OnePlus has announced the OnePlus 13S, which is supposed to be their slim phone. Is it slim or is it small? That's a good question. Because I see the headline is, Powered Up, Sized Down. And so to me, S means small. Introducing the OnePlus 13S, a powerful blend of performance and proportion, our first ever compact flagship. But does that mean slim or does that mean small? I think it means small. The picture is the perfect way to create this debate because it's two phones at a 45 degree angle with everything from the bottom cut down. I'd argue that those buttons look like there's the same amount of buffer as a usual side rail, which makes me think it's approximately the same size.

54:29Yeah. So, yeah, a big phone these days is like 6.6 to 6.9. it says it's compact and also this photo makes it seem way smaller than i'm pretty sure it is yeah it's small they're trying to make it look small yeah 6.32 does not seem that small how big is that small how big is the iphone pro 6.2 oh the pro oh yeah 6.2 right iphone 16 pro screen size 6.3 so it's the same yeah because they shrunk the bezel 6.27 so it's gotta be slim and they're calling this same picture maybe it's not slim okay because i had a whole i had a whole rant ready for this if it was slim let's hear it anyway why don't we rant the two possibilities yeah do the rant anyway i want to hear it okay i'm going to do a rant for two possibilities all right this is world number one where 13s means slim yeah there you go okay all these companies samsung oneplus allegedly apple potentially well no are trying to release the slim phone because they know that apple is making the slim phone right but nobody actually knows if the slim phone is the thing that people want or that if will be a hit from apple like remember when the uh iphone 13 came out and they made it thicker and everyone or was it 11 it was either the 11 or the 13 i think it was the 11 when the one when the iphone 11 came out they made it thicker with a bigger battery and everyone was like oh my god incredible amazing thank thank goodness bigger battery i'm glad it's thicker does any is anyone actually asking for a slimmer phone no counterpoint i'm ready with silicon carbide batteries apple is going to be able to make a really big deal about this razor thin phone that still has great battery life yeah and i think they're forecasting apple making a big deal out of it and are trying to get ahead of that so they can say yes they they did the thing first i agree with that um it's ironic that both samsung and oneplus just say coming soon and none of them have release dates for any of these things that's 25 edge is just in limbo yeah yeah nobody knows when that's coming yeah so i don't know i i'm i feel like it probably will sell like the the iphone 17 slim i think it will sell well just because it's a different looking thing yeah i'm trying to figure that out but i think it's just a good it's another product in the air category if they call it if they call it air just fits really well but i agree i don't know if it serves much more of a purpose and also we've said this forever but can can we stop like making things smaller but keeping the same battery life when we come up with battery improvements yeah can we just have really awesome battery life please maybe that's what the pro will be this year yeah i would love that that would be amazing i don't yeah i kind of doubt they're going to use the silicon carbide batteries with the pros i think they're only going to use in the slim and then maybe next year they put it in the pros but i bet you it's a much more expensive technology to use so yeah i mean i've seen it in a good amount of phones already this year which is why i'm hopeful um obviously samsung skipped it with the s25 ultra but a whole bunch of i mean i guess this is what we've seen before like oppo phones vivo phones silicon carbon 6 000 million powers 6 200 million powers in regular size phones even we just had the oppo find x8 ultra so i want to say it's available maybe not at apple scale but it's out there yeah so yeah we'll see yeah it is oh right it's silicon carbon not silicon carbide right right right i was getting somebody yelled at us for that silicon carbon yeah silicon carbon yeah so they just have a notify me button where they just don't say when it's going to come out or what the specs are besides the size so that's interesting i kind of wonder if i don't think it's going to be a tariffs thing because i don't think this is being sold in the US.

58:18I think it's mostly for India, I believe. What's the size of the OnePlus 13? Screen size? It is 6.82 inches. Okay, so I guess 6.4, you said? 6.2. 3. That is smaller than this, but to call it compact feels... Feels like a stretch. David, do you have a rant for if it's a small phone? Okay, if it's a small phone, nobody will buy it. end of my rant which we already knew which we still are cool with them making it and it probably is a small phone we'll enjoy it yeah yeah the zen phone was a true small phone 5.9 r.i.p to the we're never getting that back but we're not getting that back so so i guess 6.1 is like the compact now yeah last little thing before we take another uh trivia break the android show is a mini google io just for android that is coming next week so so this is io yeah this is what we care about i think that most of i.o is going to be gemini oriented just like the last two years yeah but uh yeah on tuesday as of time of recording google is doing a little android show i.o thing where they're just going to talk about all the updates that are coming to android which i'm very excited about so next week we'll be talking about that on the show so is it a stretch to say that that's the only thing i care about um like if i watch that why would i watch well imagine what if google announces their gemini glasses for sale at io what do you think whoa well the the same reason people love the meta ray-bans is like the reason people would buy a google gemini version of that yeah i think ribbons have the camera also and we don't know do we know if oh yeah i imagine they would we don't know necessarily but i still think having gemini available and having maybe some little text in front of you and having all the access to your phone that an android thing could have has potential if done well it will be cool but i think the ray-bans are a success because it's a camera not because it's ai so if google does also and it's ray-bans so it looks nice so google does a thing and it's just you know gemini i don't know i guess google launch a camera on a face again Yeah.

1:00:31Only one way to find out. Gen 2, baby. That would be the best if it's not called Google Glass. I think it's called Google Glass. Google Glass 3 is what they should call it. Because they already kind of had like a developer reboot. Yeah, they had to develop a reboot that lasted a little bit. Oh, New Gold Glass. New Gold Glass. Because it's new. Google Glass 2025. It's coming. Nice. It's coming. Yeah, I mean, that's coming eventually, but we'll see if it comes at IO. Anyway, I'm going to watch IO anyway because I'm going to go. It's going to be fun. Nice. Yeah. All right. With that, I think we should do trivia gen two.

1:01:03Although, ironically, we're still writing slate names. Yes. Slate. Can you hit the button? All right. Trivia. Can you hit the button? Can you hit the button? The first OnePlus phone came out in 2014. Sticking to the spirit of Ellis' experiments, we are trying a new format with this trivia question as well. Oh, no. So fill in the blank. What other phones came out that year? the iPhone blank, the Samsung Galaxy Note blank, the LG G blank, and the Nexus blank. I'm just going to say you guys probably shouldn't write all of it down because you have to flip your board before. I'm just waiting. One more time.

1:01:50What are the four? The iPhone blank, the Samsung Galaxy Note blank, the LG G blank, and the Nexus Blink. Which phones came out the same year as the first OnePlus phone? Oh. I'm toast. No point. Should think of more slate words. Definitely, yeah. I have to think about this one. The first OnePlus phone? Is it like a sort of one point per correct answer type of thing? I'm debating. I'll see when we get to the end. It might be one point per correct answer, or whoever gets the most correct gets the point. I don't know. We'll see. All right. that's interesting brainstorm okay and so will you reader you will brainstorm as well reader that's the only thing people are not doing with this podcast AI transcripts they're watching they're listening but I don't know if they're reading viewer subtitles consumer they're consuming the episode creator user observer so will you user hey what are they using we'll be right back

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1:04:51doing just about anything with your money feels effortless. Visit mercury.com to learn more. Mercury is a financial technology company, not a bank. Banking services provided through Choice Financial Group, Column NA, and Evolve Bank and Trust members FDIC. Welcome back. If you used Google Shopping before, which you probably didn't because not a lot of people did, you would be excited to know that OpenAI has just announced their own shopping experience with buy buttons and recommendations i actually i actually did use i have used google shopping a fair bit yeah i was being a little mean oh because people i think it's warranted people do use it it's just not it's when i want to buy something that i don't really care where i buy it from i just want to sort of shop around prices and then figure it out like i don't know exactly what i'm buying i'm looking for a general item and then i use google shopping to narrow it down my biggest gripe is when you type something in that's very obviously a product and a default to shopping, which then I just wanted to look at the images of it.

1:05:51And now it's changed all my header things. And I click on the anyways. The experience for Google Shopping has never been fantastic. Now OpenAI is trying to integrate that into ChatGPT, which is interesting. I think that people are starting to use LLMs for many different use cases at this point. And OpenAI basically said that people were already searching for items through ChatGPT already, which is pretty interesting. Effectively, what this is supposed to do is it's supposed to give you product recommendations based on your preferences. as well as reviews from around the internet. So the buying experience is going to show sources on the recommendations.

1:06:25So at least if you click on a recommendation, it'll be like, this information comes from Wired, and then you can go to the Wired article or whatever. And probably the biggest thing of all is that none of the products or recommendations have sponsored placements. And that is the big thing that Google has been yet. That we know of yet. That's the big thing that Google has been really pushing Google Shopping for because they know that, oh, this is another market opportunity for us to put sponsored links in these areas. They pushed Google Shopping a couple of years ago and they just continued to push it because this is a huge market, but no one wanted to use it.

1:07:04That is really interesting. I'm very curious how the system is going to decide exactly what kind of products to show you. it's supposed to be heavily based on your preferences and like the things you have asked chat gpt before because now as we talked about a couple of weeks ago they opened up the context window to be infinite so now you're basically talking to a system that just remembers everything you ever tell it which is super interesting which is super interesting have you done the thing where you asked chat gpt now that you know everything about me tell me something that like i might not know about myself tell me a blind spot that i might have tell me a way that i can improve my life based on what i don't know and it does that would send me down such a dark level i have not tried it yet i have i don't use it enough it would just say you have anger issues because you get mad at me every time i try and do something i asked it to describe me it was very very accurate and i asked it for some like life advice it was pretty good did you just go in and manually tell it like everything that you think you know about yourself no i didn't tell it and I didn't do any new like information giving.

1:08:09I just, I saw that on Twitter and I was like, let me try it. And it just did. How often do you use ChatGPT? Every day. More than Gemini? Yeah. Yeah. A little bit. My guest hasn't written a review in six months. I'm not using it to write things, but I think I use Gemini and ChatGPT roughly the same amount, basically. Interesting. Yeah. Huh. Yeah. I think that the big question here is going to be, how does affiliate revenue work anymore? Because when you click on these links, they are – I was like, this has the opportunity to be another honey situation. Because OpenAI could – they could say we don't have sponsored segments, but we automatically generate affiliate revenue links to everything.

1:08:51And that's a huge market for them. But they said that none of the links are sponsored. They said that none of them have affiliate revenue on top. but when it's pulling the information from the websites that do have affiliate links but then it's giving you links to the products directly without the affiliate links uh that kind of screws over like all of the publishers yeah which is pretty rough do you think it would pull like if it pulled a wired article and then that had an affiliate link in there do you think it would see that link and then decide oh i'm gonna not feed that link i'll feed it directly to the product Yeah, I think it feeds you direct links and affiliate links, which is tough.

1:09:30I also have no faith that this won't eventually turn into affiliate links. Because the minute I read this, I said, is just the end goal for everything on the internet to be an affiliate link aggregator? Yes, 100%. That's like what most websites on the internet are. Is the crab version of every website just affiliate link? Yeah. Affiliate link-ac-ization. Like, carganization. It's been happening. That's crazy. Yeah, I mean, they have the opportunity to add the value of honey on top of their existing product, which is a very big opportunity. They say they will evaluate the opportunity for affiliate links in the future.

1:10:06Oh, they said that? They already said that? Sorry, I think I misspoke. They said they're going to explore later down the road how affiliate links are going to work. They're adding us? We have concepts of a plan. Yeah, which to me tells me that they're just going to generate their own. Oh, for sure. So that's pretty crazy. Do you guys feel comfortable asking an LLM for product recommendations? I'm not there yet. I actually, I'll take that back. Asking for product recommendations, yes, but not like fully trusting it and going to the purchase. I still will then go do my own research after to go to the purchase.

1:10:44But if I'm just starting from a baseline of what mulch should I buy? I live in this area of the world and I have these goals. I will start from there and then do my own research after. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that that's kind of the case. It's like when you go to any website and you can be recommended a product, but you want to read the reviews to make sure that it's like, you know, positive. Yeah. So, yeah. It also says that it's using Reddit as a source, which is pretty interesting because if it's actually scraping what people are recommending and there's been so many reports of companies is just basically going on Reddit and recommending their own products as if they're regular users.

1:11:22So I feel like there is a lot of... I also don't know if I trust an LLM to understand the nuances of what Reddit comments are. And what is just someone being an asshole and sarcasm. Yeah. I have a general philosophical question about LLMs. Here we go. An hour and 30. Are they conscious? I don't try to nip that one as fast as possible. What is consciousness? We have all... You know how there's a generation of people who grew up before smartphones and then there's a generation of people who grew up never knowing what it's like before smartphones? Yeah. What if the same thing is true about LLMs and hallucinations where when we were starting to get into these AI tools, it was very, very early and they were notorious for getting things wrong all the time.

1:12:08And so built into our conscience is an inherent skepticism for like when I ask for these product recommendations, I'm going to double fact check everything just because some of it might just be a lie. and then at some point there's a generation of people who's going to come online and will never have had to think about if the LLMs lie to them or not. I think that there are already a significant amount of people who don't know what a hallucination is. I was watching some video on YouTube a couple of weeks ago, and someone was trying to make a point, and he goes, and I know this is true. I looked it up on ChatGBT, and he was not joking.

1:12:44Grok, context, please. exactly yeah i just i think most people think this is basically a search engine that talks to you normally yeah that's tough so i don't even think it's a generational thing i just think it's like it's just already most people it's people who were like early adopters got to see all the hallucinations and downsides but now people who were not even paying attention then are just like oh okay yeah i'll just use chat gpt to look it up totally yeah people are worried about tiktok replacing google i think it's more of a concern that the llms are replacing google which is why Google was so terrified and had to get Gemini all kick-started.

1:13:16Yeah. So they made the right call there, I gotta say. Yeah. Researching this camera, I gave it a whack with LLMs, dude. Mm-hmm. Nothing useful. Nothing useful. In fact, I would say it was like wrong 85 % of the time. Like, does this camera have focus peaking? Absolutely. The focus peaking on this camera does not have focus peaking. Like every single question it could have gotten wrong about this, it got wrong. Yeah. It was interesting. I was using an AI thing, asking it to make me a pop quiz about a product that I knew a lot about. And then I filled out the quiz because I knew all the answers.

1:13:51And it got some of the corrections wrong. Like I'd said the answer was the actual answer. And it was like, actually, this is the answer. And I was like, yeah, that's just wrong. So it was like nine out of ten, right? But still, I still see that happening. Right. So it is something that I think about. Yeah, it's tough. It's tough. speaking of uh ai and llm model stuff meta i just had its llama con which really doesn't sound real they really call it that sound like i also have a question about this okay what sound does a llama make i've heard that before i think that's true okay um so they have decided to release the meta ai app which is a dedicated app that is focused around voice uh voice interactions marquez is showing it right now can i tell a story about this particular app sure i'm watching the live stream because it was yesterday the day before and and they're like oh yeah you know we released this meta app the ai blah blah and i turn and i put it into slack and i'm like okay i gotta add this to the doc so we can like talk about it whatever blah blah and marquez just turns around and he's like, oh yeah, by the way, Adam, I've had that for like two weeks now.

1:15:04And I got like, I've had that for two weeks now in real life. He just turned around and was like, yeah, no, I've had that. And I'm like, oh, shocker. Yeah, of course. So in case you're curious. Yeah, tell me about it. The Meta AI app, it's a hub. So now, so there used to just be, you'd have the glasses and you'd have the app for like MetaView or whatever it's called for the glasses. Yeah. And then you've got AI built into Instagram. And AI and Messenger. So this is like the hub for all of it. And so you can just like talk to it and ask it questions as if it's chat GPT or whatever, Gemini. But there's also a discover feed where you can scroll through the image generated results of other people's prompts.

1:15:43Kind of like Sora, remember? You could see other people's images and what it was generated from. And so if you've ever just wanted to scroll through AI slop for a while, this is the perfect place to do that. This is what OpenAI said they were doing with their social media thing, right? well they didn't say specifically what they were doing with that and they never they never even confirmed they were making this oh golly report no the social media app that oh yeah when i was reportedly working on it would look kind of like this it would probably look like this and it's like it has shares and comments and there's people going like oh yeah this is cool oh this is tiny new york city in a sphere and it has 171 likes 12 comments can you read the comments i hope they're ai generally they are the first three are people reimagining the prompt in with different results okay and then you scroll down a little bit and it's people saying wow cool love this these are nice uh you just know every time there's a new social media platform the influencers jump on it and they're like i gotta get on this because in case it blows up and like if you're getting on the meta ai social media platform to try to be an influencer on there you need to get some help I'm right here, David.

1:16:55Yeah. I just, I don't know. Yes, agreed. Yeah. I've never agreed with you more, David. Thank you. Thank you. It is a full-on social network of AI generated. I think that Meta is banking on the fact that this is free, and, like, ChatGPT Plus is$20, and Gemini Ultra 2.5 Advanced with deep research. pro pro is uh is 20 dollars version new new new new have you noticed that i also if you go on gemini you have the model selector every single model says new and they have always all said new i also have thoughts on that that are probably too long for this podcast because i was going to ask like how do you select what model you use like first based on what your question is do i go to perplexity do i go to deep seek do i go to a certain version of chat gpt or a certain version of Gemini.

1:17:50Do you guys even pay attention to that? That sounds like a great app that's just like a six-sided die. A virtual six-sided die with all the different AIs on it and you roll it before you. Yeah, the Raycast app for iOS just came out and it's like, you know what Raycast is on the Mac? So you can like tab over and use AI chat and like pick between your models and the settings. This one is literally just pick your AI model and talk to it. And there's a selector and there's like 15 of them and you just jump in and you go, I like DeepSeek right now. I'm feeling lucky by it. I guess, probably, but like They're all just competing.

1:18:20And yes, some of them are better for code. Some of them are better for specific things. And I get that there are advantages to them. But aren't we all working towards them all being amazing at as many things as possible? And nobody should have to know, like, oh, I'm supposed to use this one for code. The goal is, like, I'm going to use a search engine. And they're all going to eventually get me there. Well, even if you don't know, like, for example, Gemini has 2.5 Flash Experimental, which says used for advanced reasoning. and then it has 2.5 pro experimental which is best for complex tasks both of those tell me nothing yeah like yeah if i'm trying to differentiate between them there's also i love that there's 2.5 flash 2.5 pro experimental deep research with 2.5 pro there's also gpt 4.0 which is great for most tasks but there's also gpt 4.5 which is good for writing and exploring ideas which is also what i use it for there's also 03 which uses advanced reasoning so i guess i should use that there's also 04 mini which is fastest at advanced reasoning 04 mini high what great at coding and visual reasoning okay so they're not going to combine them all but like what i don't even know how to pick between people should not you should just talk to the thing and it knows what your prompt is and it picks the right model to do your prompt so the next ai is going to be an ai that decides which model you should use for the prompt you have but what model does that ai use that's where your david emel 2.5 pro experimental experimental flash with deep research with marquez research advanced reasoning i'm gonna start asking ai models which ones i should use uh yeah no that's it we'll we'll continue to keep an eye on meta's ai app will we no i don't think we will.

1:20:06I don't really think we will. Marques has volunteered for the job. It's on my phone. It's on my phone. For now. Sorry. I'm not looking at that social media network ever. Okay, last thing that is just fun, and I want them, and Ellis doesn't like that I want them. But I really want them. Okay, there's these new headphones by KM5. They kind of look like those Koss headphones that are really lightweight and really small. And they very much look like something that, like, nothing would release kind of teenage or teenage engineering x nothing but basically if you know what the like the cost headphones are there there's like 80s style headphones that are they're on ear they're really small they've just got a metal band that gets your hair stuck in it and pulls your hair out um but they have all the advanced capabilities of like a newer pair of headphones so they charge with usbc you can plug them in with usbc they've got uh good bluetooth capabilities.

1:21:02They somehow have active noise cancellation, which I do not know how that works when they're on-ear headphones. Spoiler alert, it doesn't. It probably doesn't. They just seem really cool. And they make, this company also makes this CD player that looks freaking amazing. David, what is the price of these? They're $189. Okay, it's not as bad as I thought. Not that bad. And look how pretty they are. They're just pretty. They're pulling directly at the nostalgia heartstrings of a specific generation of people yeah but they're usbc yeah remember those things what if new and modern yeah yeah and i want it it's the ford f100 but electric i'm really volkswagen bus but electric i almost impulse bought these yesterday they also came out on my birthday so what are you gonna do you know wait wait thank you i just blew myself on a birthday i don't know that there's anything superior about these headphones other than them being maybe lightweight.

1:22:01But, you know, good for them. Good for them. They look cool. I just wanted to mention these because they're cool looking. Shout out to the Cam5. Alright, well, I think that we should do trivia now. It's about that time. Have you been brainstorming? No. Andrew's brainstorming right now. Okay, I have a question. Yeah. Do you get a point off if we have something in there that's not... No, I won't be added to your total slate count. So I'm going to give you guys 90 more seconds to share out these lists. 10 million? It's like how specific. That was hyperbole. Oh, really? Oh, because I heard that. I was just like, I just guessed.

1:22:39I thought you actually meant 10 million. 10 million. Exactly. Well, OK. I'm just going to leave it where I'm at. You know how when you get close enough to infinity, you just say infinity in math. I feel like in math, that would be the time where you don't do that. In math, you would say as the limit approaches infinity. The limit does not exist. The limit does not exist. The asymptote. The asymptote. But it can't approach. Yes, it can. Marques is a big list. It totally can. If there's an asymptote, it's not approaching infinity. It's approaching the asymptote. Anyway. Oh, no, you're right. I wrote some things.

1:23:18I failed at math. Who wants to slate first? Are we flipping them? You can flip them. Oh, you'll just read it? I guess I'll just read it. One at a time. Okay. I'll read my slates first. You said the slate truck doesn't count. The slate truck does not count. All right, so scratch that. Yeah, I had that. I have pixel slate. Awesome. Oh. I have slate gray paint. Perfect. And I have, I think this is a made up one, I think. Yeah, yeah. I think there was a Google slate product. Well, there was the pixel slate. There was the pixel slate. But was there like a whiteboard product or no? This is, I think I'm imagining this one.

1:23:54That was the jam board. That was jam board. And there was a Microsoft tablet called the Slate PC. That's not what I was thinking. I was thinking of like Jamboard. Okay, so I got two. Not bad. Not bad. All right, two. All right. I have a production slate, like the thing we clap. Sweet. Oh, that's a good one. I have the Pixel Slate. There you go. So you said Slate paint. I said Slate the color. That works. I'll take it. And then I have a guess. And I can help look it up, but I didn't want to look like I was cheating. Yeah, yeah. if there's a disc golf disc named the slate because I know there's one named the slab so I have to so there might be a slate if you don't know and you just start guessing does that I it would have to be called the slate I see slate disc as an option but it's zero disc yeah I don't think there's one that's a good name for a disc maybe you should start a company not taken trash panda Trash Panda does offer their discs in a slate color.

1:24:58Trash Panda does, but unfortunately... I already put slate colors. That's three. All right. That's three. David, what do you have? I have Slate, Kansas. No. No. I can't. No. No, you don't. Well played. There are two other towns in the United States called Slate, though. Did you get any of them? Wait, so Kansas is not a real place? No, Slate, Kansas is real, but I can't give that to you because I said it out loud earlier. Oh, okay. that's all you had or organ i don't know no you have to write it down what did you write i'm gonna write down any other i wrote slate the website awesome yeah oh we literally talked about that yeah great um i wrote slate the color great i wrote slate the car uh no i can't accept i know i know i know i put i put tail slate i will accept that as a production slate yes uh i put blank slate the song by taylor swift not a song by not a song i think you're thinking of blank spaces oh is it singular circular okay my bad oh okay um i put slate the rock uh we talked about that that was the opening example that was the yeah i can't give you that one either okay i put the bird there's a bird called a slate i don't know but there probably is wait you just you're I did do that to you.

1:26:12There's a slate colored bird. Well, I also put slate the color. Yeah, we already got that. Did we? Yeah, they already said that. Right? Did you already say that? Yeah. Okay. And then I put S latte, like small latte. Wow. I want to give you that for creativity. I think a latte is two T's. It is, but yeah, you can't get that. It's close. It is close. Is that the tie? Like, how do we break this? Is there a slate bird? There's no slate bird. Slate colored solitaire bird. Yeah, but that's the color. Oh, you're right. Solitaire bird? Yeah, I don't know what that is. So pretty good, guys. We'll give the point to both Andrew and David.

1:26:54Nice. All right. Quick update on the score. Marquez with 18. Andrew with 10 after that correct point. And David with 22 after that correct point. Next question. So the first OnePlus phone came out in 2014. What other phones came out that year? Fill in the blank edition. The iPhone, blank. The Samsung Galaxy Note, blank. The LG G, blank. And the Nexus, blank. 2014. Which, what? 2014, yeah. 2014.

1:27:32What are those other phones?

1:27:40All right. Flip them and read. What do you got? Man. I can't. I can't. Wait. Oh, f***. Who wants to go first? David, put the marker down. Okay. Okay. Who wants to go first? I'll go first. Oh, I screwed this up. I thought it was. Okay. 2014. I said iPhone 6S. Correct. I said Samsung Galaxy Note 4. Correct. Oh, my gosh. I said LG G5. wrong and then i said nexus 6 and 5x correct okay so you got three that's pretty good so it's probably the only chance i have is the lgg3 you said lgg3 yeah okay correct and the rest very nice well galaxy note 6 iphone 7 nexus unless the 6p also came out which i don't think that was later yeah okay so you got one messed up when i started working here david okay lg g6 lg g6 nope wait really yeah it was the g3 apparently wow yeah okay i put the nexus 6 thank god uh i put the galaxy note 8 which i was very wrong and uh i don't even want to say what my iPhone was.

1:28:58Say it. I forgot all the S models. So I put iPhone 8 slash 10, which was 2017, not 2014. Yeah, almost. Yeah, I'm bad. All right, so you got one as well. Nice. So I think I'll do each one of you gets the points. So David and Andrew get one point each. Marquez gets three points. What? Do I, so for six and five X, do I just get one point for that? Yeah, it was just one point. Okay. All right. I feel, because he said six, but he didn't get five X. so i feel like i should get a point for five well wasn't it the 6p and the 5x came out at the same time yeah the huawei 6p and the lg yeah the nexus 6 launched on its own release year because so it is just the six okay never mind yeah never mind no 5x okay well no it doesn't change anything yeah it doesn't change anything okay yeah that's fair all right good question i'll take two points though but adam that's fine man i'm just being a baby that was fun uh okay fun new format yeah Maybe that helps us catch David because his score is really high and we need lots of points to catch him.

1:29:59When is the extra? You're counting down the minutes the clock runs out. Yeah, I want to win one. We have to catch you. We have to catch you at like 30 or something. Yeah. Okay. That's it for this episode. Thanks for watching. Thanks for subscribing especially. I know we didn't ask as early as we would like to, but we're asking now. If you haven't subscribed already, definitely make sure to do that. And we'll catch you guys. If you haven't already watched the bonus episode on all the favorite creators' favorite cameras, we'll have a link to that below because the bonus episodes come out and sometimes people aren't like washing dishes at their normal time on Friday and they don't know to expect that so go check that out as well we'll be back next week in our regularly scheduled programming it's gonna be May catch you there peace Waveform was produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Rovin we're partners with Vox Media Podcast Network and our true outro music was created by Vane Still bingo bad no don't do that

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