New Meta Quest 3S and the AR Future!

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1:01Yo, what is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez. And I'm Andrew. And that's it. small crew today also adam's out but ellis is here hey hey and uh yeah this is fun fact episode 251 so i feel like i'm just shouting that out if you know you know it's 251 it's 251 uh in today's episode we have apple intelligence update timing a quick review on a new garmin watch and then we'll talk a little bit about meta quest or sorry meta connect 2024 which had a new meta quest in it it's a good time uh i also wanted to jump in right off the top and talk panels a little bit it was like the talk of the entire internet accidentally for like a couple days at least our internet for sure yeah and it branched out a bit yeah like my for you page and everything about it um which has its upsides and downsides i will say uh the original idea of panels as some of you may know if you watch the iphone review was we'd been working behind the scenes on a wallpaper app, which is hosting and sharing all of the wallpapers that I've been using and more art by the same artists all in one place.

2:15So as you can imagine, for a decade, people have been asking me where my wallpapers come from. So this is sort of a natural thing to just sort of plug and own and have available to you guys. And so I kind of plugged in there and it kind of got like scooped up as like this gigantic thing. I think maybe the number one most common comment I saw was who would want to pay for wallpapers? Like who would want a whole app just for wallpapers? Which to me, it was like, well, I'm in a community where lots of people like change wallpapers all the time and it's really fun. But to the, because it's the MKBHD channel and the iPhone review and there's like way more eyeballs on it, it became this massive thing.

2:59But because it became this massive thing, lots of eyeballs on it, lots of appropriate critique, which I think really helped us. Lots of, I think you could call it a sloppy launch, from us but definitely a lot of learnings for like what we want to to create and make really good for all the artists involved down the road um a couple things i do want to address because they were all over like twitter and and threads and stuff that i saw um number one is on the disclosures like if you go to the iphone app store and like scroll down enough there's a set list of This is actually already fixed by the time this goes live, but just to explain because people have posted about it.

3:38There was this whole list of all these disclosures of what the app may ask for permission to use, like location and all sorts of other stuff like that. The app, just to be clear, never will ask for any of that stuff. but because our app has ads, there are suggested disclosures that you can sort of just blanket enable that most other apps that have ads from AdMob and things like that will also just enable just to be safe. But that was a huge red flag for a lot of people and so appropriately we have adjusted them to a more finite list of what is actually applicable to our app. Yeah, and a reasonable red flag.

4:17Yeah, totally. So that was good. um another one is god so this somehow this rumor popped out that like we bought an old wallpaper app and then like rebranded it or something yeah uh and then i found out exactly how this rumor started which is people saw the panel's twitter account and saw that the account had been created I think in like 2021. Yeah. And made the direct leap from there to suggest that this app has existed since 2021, which is not true. Obviously, we've been well, maybe not obviously, we've been developing this ourselves. And we've got people here in the studio helping us work on this.

4:59The account itself was a username that was salvaged that was inactive that we got to switch to actually have the panels username. And then now it says it's us because we got to take the account and now it's looks like an older account but trust me the app did not exist back then and that was uh one of the weirdest rumors that i saw uh and one of the last things i wanted to jump in on it was on the question of ai in the art as as people have known these are a lot of human artists working on a lot of their art and making their photos and things available and somebody had asked is there any ai in here and i said yes because i actually know there's a specific example of there's an artist that's using AI to augment photos of skyscrapers to turn them into like different looking buildings and to edit them.

5:46They're heavily edited and they look super sick, but technically that is AI. And someone suggested labeling them as AI. So I want to do that. I want to make that specific change in our app. So thank you again for the feedback on that um but yeah in general this is an entirely curated list it's a relatively small collection it's a few hundred pieces right now but obviously it's things you've seen in previous videos on laptops on phones on like monitor behind me on an iMac and things like that so i can now always say like this this is where you get it you always have like the answer to your question right in front of you which was the idea of it existing so yeah we have plenty of work ahead of us on on a lot of the code, a lot of the design, and a lot of the fun stuff that you guys have all given us feedback on.

6:35So again, we appreciate that. And we hope to work pretty quickly on basically all the feedback we've gotten. At the end of the day, the mass, like most people don't change their wallpaper all the time. And I understand that. I'm on that. I am. Like once a year, maybe at most. And so I think, yeah, people will just hop on Google Images and find whatever they want. Totally cool. this is as we knew from the beginning like a small group of people who wants a specific answer to a question which is these are some cool wallpapers i want let me see where i can get them so that's what panels is uh to the the irony of me promising it would be more of an app in the future i still i still say don't get the app based on the promise of the future of the app get it based on what it is today which is a wallpaper app hopefully we can improve it soon but don't take my word for it if you like it now use it if you don't uninstall it it's fine maybe later down the road it'll be better and that's our goal so we're gonna be working on this for a while i think obviously like we didn't get to go over every single thing that we've seen the feedback for but we have spent a lot of time collecting feedback and it's something that's gonna be a process of figuring it all out and our goal is ultimately just like make something that people who the people who always ask for what wallpaper it is in videos enjoys and can find some cool things and we're partnering with some artists that we really like so yeah hopefully we can just make a really cool curated set of wallpaper in a nice app and uh the people who want to use it hopefully enjoy it down the road and hopefully we prove to everybody that it can be enjoyed yeah yeah i think the the zoomed way out philosophy for like everything that i publish on any channel is like making content that i would want to watch making a channel that i would want to subscribe to like that's been the ethos and this is making an app that i would want yeah i would really just want a sick app full of the best wallpapers that i think are from super talented people that also makes them money it's a little platform for them to be in front of more eyeballs so hopefully we can accomplish that yeah um okay so apple intelligence release timings this is interesting because in the iPhone review the rest of that video we talked about uh obviously the iPhone 16 is coming out and 16 pros and how like so much of the advertising for the phone is Apple intelligence even though it doesn't come with the phone out the box yes so the question is when does it come out it turns out it's in stages a lot of stages yeah um stages that I'm a little confused about still so maybe reading this what Mark Gurman said in his Bloomberg article you can help me differentiate when this is um so it says that apple is racing to complete um uh the ios 18.2 upgrade which will include features like genmoji chat gpt integration and image playground then um it's looking to release that by early november so it can ship it by december then ios 18.3 will completed by the be completed by the end of the year for january release and then 18.4 which includes new siri features um is scheduled to be released in march after being completed in february okay yeah so like we're the very tldr of that is the majority of the stuff they showed in the iphone 16 event will be fully out in march yeah six months after the announcement release yeah halfway to the next yes so basically all the iPhones that are coming out now have iOS 18.0 which will be the same basically for everyone's iPhones everywhere iOS 18.1 which I've been using a beta of is coming relatively soon that has the first few Apple intelligence features that's only coming to iphone 15s and 16s or 15 pros okay and 16s and 16 pros uh that's because they're built from the ground up with apple intelligence and they have the ram and they can they're capable of these things yeah can i just jump in there because you mentioned ram yeah it seems like what i've been seeing and you can correct me on this is that it's really the ram that's the differentiator between this that the phones with eight gigs of ram and not so much the silicon is much different it's it seems to be both i mean they definitely seem to know that you need more ram to use and store and operate a lot of these ai these models on the device so yes the pros and non-pros all have eight gigs of ram this year typically in the past it's been like three gigs of ram on the non-pro phone and six on the pro and you know great you can play higher end games you can have even more apps and memory but now they all have eight okay which is kind of funny because now i'm like hey that's better for the non-pro phones even if you never use apple intelligence yeah for sure but yes you need that memory and i think there's also improved neural engines on both chips uh to facilitate running the models but because the chip in the iphone 15 obviously works it's the ram 15 pro yes because it has enough ram and a powerful enough okay cool yeah so yeah 18.1 is going to come out it's going to have like the writing tools uh it has the new siri animation but not so much of the new functionality which is kind of funny so it's like it'll do the rainbow glow around the outside but like you can see here there's still things coming later and i guess this is basically ranked on how difficult they are to make so the stuff that they know works pretty well which is summarizing stuff writing tools new siri animation things those uh notification summaries which honestly i think i'm going to turn off pretty soon oh yeah because it's you get a text message that's like 12 words long and then it summarizes it into an even shorter sentence and it's it's not actually that useful like most of my notifications are not that long if i get an email i'll just read the email like the subject line is enough of a summary for me so i just find the notification summaries aren't actually useful to me i'll probably turn it off i guess like in a sense it's less of trying to get the context of it and more the context of like how urgent is this text messages yeah in the summary like in that summary if it says like oh my god mom's in the hospital like yeah that is like something i want to hit but if it's just Just like, hey, mom was calling about visiting eight months from now.

13:13And like when we could schedule it, you'd be like, oh, I'll save that for seven months from now. The one time it's useful is when you have a ton of messages from the same app over time. So we do a podcast. We sit here. I go back out and the group chat was lit. There's 80 new messages. Then it'll try to summarize that all in like two sentences. I hope nothing ever summarizes our Slack server. It would be chaos. Let me see. I don't want to do anything. Please don't read it out loud. this slack summaries um yeah they're not would they look not great so i made a tweet about this and there was a lot of polarizing responses in terms of this like when uh the timeline the timeline of when everything's coming out yeah and i'll totally agree that on twitter i it was a bit extravagant in my way of tweeting um and maybe like a little over the top uh my biggest thing was just like six months later which it from the time that this will be fully released if it's in march is six months after september a lot of people thought the math was wrong on that but i think it's just because there's multiple different timelines of it of different updates it just feels like so much of the announcement was focused on this including labeling the heart of the iphone 16 as like this new ai integration stuff a new siri and whatnot that feels like halfway halfway there is a very long time um and i think both sides of the responses that i were getting were kind of like all over the place to like oh man i think you'll survive without which i agree on i think everyone will survive without it yeah but a lot of people being like apple's totally done for this is like the nail in the coffin i can't believe they're waiting that long which is also definitely not going to happen um i just think halfway through a lineup we run into so many people that are like should i upgrade to the next phone should i upgrade to the next phone and that six month mark is like the legitimate differentiator of like well how bad do you need it now because we are now on the closer side of the next phone we're over the hill you know when it's yeah when it's october and someone's like should i wait for the next iphone it's like well it just came out in fact you probably can't even get the new one right now yeah but when you're starting to get into the second part the down the descent of the roller coaster yeah it's a little more well maybe you should wait so this feels like a wait year yeah you're right we know every year in september there's a new iphone so if i go ahead and recommend someone gets a phone because of apple intelligence and they don't get it until six months later then it feels like they could have just waited for the next phone yeah that's the thought i yeah i understand that look i we also know someone like every year who buys the new iphone a week before the new one comes out like that's a lot of people just don't pay attention to that so yeah they're just after whatever they need when their phone breaks for sure and i don't want to take away from people who are legitimately excited about all of these new features and in their eyes want to get them as fast as possible or even are really excited about the beta i never like suggest people to download the beta but you will be getting to try these things out faster doing that and for people who you know listen to this podcast and probably are downloading beta that's probably super fun yeah but um as a general whole six months later in this if like my like aunt or uncle was like oh i saw that awesome thing that's coming out on the new iphone should i get it i'm gonna be like well you don't it's not even out right now you can probably wait yeah the most interesting feature to me is like the fully finished upgraded siri which like i want to review apple intelligence when it's done and maybe it's not till march that i can make that video but the new siri which is supposed to be able to like reach into apps and like do actions for you and things like that and hopefully be more smart and conversational and maybe even multimodal i don't even know i'm it's been so long since i've heard this pitch from apple but i i can't use that till february at the earliest in some beta so waiting to see for sure you know it's interesting because that's a good segue we didn't have this on the outline but in the pixel 9 pro fold review which should be probably coming out sometime around this podcast is the question of should you buy a pixel now because of the hype that's already kind of bubbling up around the next tensor chip with the pixel 10 so pixel got tensor a little while ago which was exciting because it was designed by google and they could have some some effect on not an off-the-shelf part and they could optimize for or maybe more neural engine, whatever.

17:50But it's still like made by Samsung. It's still not fully like three millimeter TSMC, like super high end. And it appears that it looks like they're finally going to have their own first fully custom chip with the next one, the Tensor G5 chip or whatever it is in the Pixel 10. And so I'm sitting here, I'm reviewing these phones. Like the Pixel 9 is really good. And I wonder how many years it'll be a really good phone. It's promised seven years of software updates and all that. And the Pixel 9 Pro Fold is like one of my favorite folding phones ever. And I'm genuinely very impressed with it. And the only thing stopping me from going, yeah, just get this phone.

18:27It's great. Is maybe the next one is a huge leap forward, like closing the gap to Qualcomm, being just as power efficient, way, way more battery efficient, like having all these other advantages. But we don't know yet. It's still kind of a rumor. sort of a background noise to these new phones so that's something to keep an eye on i think the fold or i guess you're saying about all of them but like yeah if you're buying the fold i would assume a lot of people purchasing folds as expensive as they are have the disposable income to potentially be upgrading every year so like or you really are saving up for a while and you won't be buying another phone for a long time if that's your case and we think that's going to be a significant upgrade then maybe it's time to wait um but it seems really early to be saying should i wait for the next pixel that's been out for a month but that's the word on the street there's like articles about it like should you buy these phones or like wait another year have we have you recalled a scenario where the phone isn't even out yet and people are saying should i wait for the next one oh iphones people do that with the iphone like pre iphone coming out they're like yeah all the new ones coming out but should i wait for the next one yeah because there's only these like roadmap leaks now of people going like the dynamic island's gonna go away or this port's gonna go like this is what's gonna happen three iphones from now and people going like no that's the one i want we've probably talked about this yeah it's probably happening that's wild yeah so hey it's all just sort of we don't know we can't predict the future this is just like looking into our foggy crystal ball and going it kind of looks like this might happen i want to say two more are really quick things about this um one is if there was a company if there was one of the companies to trust that like these updates will eventually come out i trust places like apple google samsung more than newer ones but i still agree with if you're only looking for those things at this point just wait till it comes out and get the phone then you'll still be able to get the phone then you might even hit a sale at some point um probably if it's google you will hit a sale yeah yeah my other thing is the reason i think it being so much weirder with apple do this i had a lot of people saying like google's done this samsung's done that it just feels less common for apple but i think we're getting to the point where this feels you know release a phone shove a bunch of features in our face and now we don't get half of them till later unfortunately feels like the norm for kind of everyone oh yeah yeah i mean we've talked about before it's been a running joke extreme especially i mean with apple it's been it's i think it's a camera feature every year for like the last five years of iphone there will be one camera feature that they go and this deep fusion mode is coming later this year coming soon or whatever and we'll have to wait for the next dot one beta to go oh it's finally here but they typically deliver on that promise and those air power infamously never came out they typically deliver on that promise so hopefully that trend this is just yeah this is like the bigger the bigger thing that they spend so much time on where like camera features cinematic camera we're like the deep end of the camera section which is at the end of the keynote yeah they got into primary future yeah cool all right can i tell you about my new garmin watch i'm kind of sad adam's not here because he would be hype with me but you can tell me about that as long as i can tell you about this new satin black apple watch ultra okay cool we'll compare okay perfect all right so this is the garmin phoenix 8 yeah it's a really interesting watch in my eyes because i was previously using the epics gen 2 actually ellis i think someone dropped a watch off at the door right there can you grab that for me please sorry i forgot it and i asked someone in slack to bring it over um so the last watch i used was the garmin epics gen 2 is this on so it wasn't the first watch they made that was amoled but it was one of the like more extreme watches they made that's amoled oh i hope you turn on um and i loved it i wore this thing on my wrist for like a year and a half if you can't tell by the severe indent and um but watch tan yeah so it was awesome a lot of stuff garmin did was just with like lcd or these like solar uh screens they have so the resolution was super low quality and despite having great battery life you know you sit in here and look at your apple watch enough times and you go wow this screen i don't love big difference so amoled's great phoenix was an old a different like they've had eight iterations of it now what they kind of did and this was uh speculated at first but i did confirm with garmin um they essentially merged these lines together so now the the epics is no more um so like the watch that i was using will not be a watch anymore um and phoenix they basically just now offer an amoled selection within the phoenix brand lineup there is also a solar selection where the screen will not be as good so i stuck with amoled um i love this watch so much it's such a great update i think almost every aspect of it is better than epics um it is not cheap this is an 1100 watch um but luckily all the watch straps the connection point is the same so i can't i literally used a watch app my good old knockoff trail loop 25 bucks on amazon nice garmin's watch bands are not great not a huge fan of them but um battery life is the same i'm getting two weeks uh with raised to wake on at like full brightness and plenty of like different activities and stuff is there always on available there is and you'll get knocked down to like a week six days which is still it's pretty good still better than every single always on is like three so yeah so it's like double that and always on um but like it has this this awesome flashlight on the top bright that's the brightest you can you have a selector um on the side or you can do one and you can even do red which is sorry um which is great for if i'm trying to get into lane's room and get something and want to go like secret agent you know put the red on um wait wait wait how does as I compare to this flashlight on the, this is the actual flashlight on the Apple Watch.

24:47I don't know if you guys know. In video, yeah. It's just a white screen. It just turns the brightness all the way up on bright white, which is fine at night for finding my keys. But this, that's what the Epix was, just a white screen. Just for comparison on Marquez's camera. It's not close. That's like almost headlight. It's like a flashlight. It's like cheap headlight, yeah. It's an actual flashlight on your watch. Yeah, the screen is better because the bezels are slimmer. So these are both 47 millimeters, but the actual, this of course isn't charged right now, the screen size is way better. It feels way snappier.

25:17And I can't tell if it's a refresh rate thing or better processor and just faster animations. Either way, it makes the Epix feel sluggish. I think it looks fantastic. I'm a little bummed that this, that orange piece on the side is not a button. I thought it was gonna be an extra action button like the Apple Watch Ultra, but it is just a microphone protector, I guess. some protection piece for the microphone still pro accent colors though i think it looks really good yeah um the watch is great to use the battery life's amazing garmin's watch faces need a lot of help when i look at apple watches and samsung galaxy watches and even pixel watches they just like have such good watch faces and garmin doesn't and there's third-party ones um but i even don't like a lot of them and some people complain about battery drainage being worse on those which i don't like um my other issue with it if you're a garmin user if you had an epics the you had like a physical click on the buttons if you want to try um like that's a pretty satisfying click yeah these are haptic feedback and i don't like it as much it's definitely mushier yeah um but in general big fan of this if you're okay with you know 200 more but i think if you were spending$800 or$900 on the epics the$200 jump probably isn't wild I know a 200 jump is wild but at that price range already it's probably not yeah the higher the price the more you can make the argument of 200 extra dollars sure yeah um but yeah but the you know I think these things will last a super long time besides being a little beat up this thing ran just like it did never really lost any battery life out of it it um served me super well for almost two years and now we'll see how long this phoenix lasts me but big fan yeah um this one is the same apple watch ultra but that's the whole thing uh thanks for coming to my ted talk yeah it's really it's literally the same i mean the apple watch ultra that i was using before was the watch actually the first watch ultra because i didn't bother upgrading to the ultra 2 because i didn't need any of the features on it and so now yeah this is the ultra 2 no oxygen sensor i don't think actually I don't know if that's in here because you know how in the US they can't use that feature anymore I mean it definitely doesn't have the feature I don't know if it has the hardware anymore I know nothing about supply chain but considering that it's just a recolor it's probably the same it literally might be cheaper to continue including it rather than re-machining something I believe that so I would not doubt if it still has it well either way there's a whole bunch more to talk about because we had MetaConnect and had a whole event today so we're going to get to that after the break but before we do that you know we have to do trivia

28:15apple we love talking about in here apple is a company that is really famous for not looking at your data not selling your data except they do kind of look at your data and uh in well i can't say that when because that's the question but at some point in history Craig got on stage at a WWDC and said, hey, we're going to start looking at your data and training AI on that. And they called that policy differential privacy to say, hey, this is how we're going to look at your stuff and keep it private. And I want to know when that was. And I'll accept one of two answers. I'll accept the year that Craig said this.

28:56i will also accept the ios version oh that included these privacy ingresses if you choose to use that term now you said to train on ai was that actually what they said or no i feel like that wouldn't be what they said uh let me let me pull up the official statement yeah um this was a quote that they said on stage this is on stage at dub dub craig said it it's like one of those things where I'm like, is it recent because they talked about AI or was it so long ago before they were worried about talking about AI? They may have used the term machine learning. I'm going to need to go to the dub dub and pull up the transcript.

29:41Either way, the question is in no better or worse for Marquez or I. We're working on the same amount of information here. It would be incredible if you pulled up the soundbite and played the clip of Craig saying it because that would be fun to try to guess from that. Except you might say like in iOS blank. Let me, during the second segment, I'll see if I can pull it up and get it ready for you. If it helps though, the four things, Apple said we're only going to look at four things on your phone, just four. We're going to look at new words that you add to your dictionaries. We're going to look at which emojis you use and how frequently so that we can make better suggestions.

30:21we're going to look at deep links inside apps and we're going to look at your lookup hints within notes lookup what's a lookup hint i do not know okay cool interesting all right well this sounds familiar yeah yeah sounds like something craig would say we'll think about it answers will be at the end like usual and we'll be right back

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32:50In Meta's case, they don't make phones, but they do have platforms and they do have kind of AI and they have products. And it makes sense. They have these glasses and they have these headsets, but it's just a little different. and it's also, it's Zuck and it's like a mix of other product categories that are a little, just a little different. And just in case anyone's upset that I called it cringe, Zuck was wearing a shirt that said Zuck or nothing in Latin. There's gotta be some inside joke that I didn't understand. I have no, maybe it's an inside joke. I wasn't invited to that inside joke so I will not like it.

33:33But anyways, they did announce some cool things. I think one of the things they announced right off the bat is one of the coolest things they announced, which was the Quest 3S. This is cool. I think like the super TLDR of it is the Quest 2 was pretty awesome as, you know, the standalone VR device, which had an extremely affordable in the VR space, like relative to VR space headset. set and i you know i think it's brought most of the people we know now who experienced vr it's been brought to them it's been a lot of their first time experiencing it it's easily the most accessible way of doing it but the problem quest 3 was a really good update but it also had a 200 or i think there was a change to wonder it was 500 500 bucks when it launched so that there's something about the 500 mark that just automatically is like okay this is like pretty expensive yeah so with the quest 3s essentially what they announced and i think you can pre-order it by now it's shipping october 15th is something along the lines of this like in between between the quest 2 and the quest 3 um where it is the same processor as the quest 3 but it looks like the lenses are different uh at the same resolution as the quest 2 which is 1832 by 1920 per eye um But the Quest 2 is, you know, the resolution is pretty good in there.

34:57I never had a lot of problems. Again, if it's your first VR headset, you won't really have other things to like visually, mentally compare it to. And it'll probably be impressive no matter what, no matter what you're doing. So like pretty much it seems like meta has, you know, this is pixel, pixel A kind of stuff like that. You know, if you on top of the line, not thinking about the Quest Pro, because that feels like such a different item in general. But having this retired. Is it retired? Quest Pro. Did it get retired? Did I miss that? It's discontinued now. Yeah. Wow, that was fast. Okay, cool.

35:31That was two years ago that we saw that. Yeah. Jeez. Do you still use yours, Ellis? Do I still? Not really. But to be honest, I guess this has a lot of how I feel about it. I stopped using it because someone took it off my desk. That's it. That's all it took. Once it was out of sight, I guess it was out of mind. Dang. Do we all need someone to do that with our tech products that we just can't let go? the things we use very little do we need someone to just take it off our desk so we can really decide if we want it or not there's an article about the quest 3 was so much better than the quest pro it was like once the quest 3 came out it was really hard to keep that thing on my desk and feel like anyway sorry yeah sorry i derailed that a little bit but um yeah a great price point for this um a couple other things they announced with the 3s is meta horizon um is gonna have windows support including multi-screen support so you can i don't know if we even did we say this is 300 i think so because we said it was between the quest two and three i just want to make sure no it's back to 300 for this one thank you i there's a very good chance i did not say just so that's out yeah 299 great price point um windows support multi-screen support they also introduced something called hyperscape where you can use um i forget if it's the headset or a phone it might actually be the headset where you can scan a room and essentially bring it inside to a VR space.

36:47So I guess other people can experience rooms with you. Sick. Pretty cool. But overall, I think what's the coolest part about this is just accessibility because we are still at an age where VR is not super accessible. $300 is still a lot, but there's way more of a chance now that one of 10 people, you know, might have picked this up for some reason, which gives you that first look into VR. Yeah, that's really, I think the most interesting thing about it is this will be that many more people's first experience in VR. And, I mean, it's meta now. They have so many different things that they're leaning into in VR and AR that that's their goal is to be a lot of people's entry point into various versions of what you might call metaverse, whatever.

37:31But that's the idea. This is probably going to be a lot of people's first VR headset. And it's not bad for what it is. No. Same ship as the Quest 3. They did also show off some new meta horizon stuff, which had this like super cartoony godzilla attacking a city and people shooting like laser beams at it which is always just a fun juxtaposition of them being like look at this multi-window windows support and like look how much stuff you can get done and then also the sweet vr scape of fending off godzilla from a fake town it really does graphics yeah the way they demo these products i've always said tells you a lot about how the company wants it to be perceived or wants it to be looked at and like when you watch an apple vision pro at first of all it's way more expensive but they're doing mostly like productivity and messages and then occasionally shared experiences with a little bit of gaming sprinkled in and then you watch one of these and they're like gorilla tag just hit a hundred million dollars in revenue and this is insane game of like playing tag in this vr space like it's it's very they have to do kind of it kind of everything with uh with the quest they do the the gaming they do the productivity they do the the messaging they do everything in the quest and so if this is your first vr headset you will be introduced to all of the things that you can do in a vr headset yeah yeah um it's pretty cool i also found the the new clear meta rate do you want to go straight to ray bang glasses yeah let's do it um i think if you just want to jump straight into that i thought that was the coolest announcement of the entire thing um clear tech is cool a lot of clear tech is like it's clear for the sake of it looking cool which i get but some of it is not showing the real inner workings but in a pair of glasses at least from what it looked like it's impossible to have like fake inner workings in there yeah um they looked so cool yeah like just seeing all the camera modules and the circuit boards and how it's all crammed in there with the hinges and stuff like that yeah it's a really neat like perspective but it's gonna be weird if like you were wearing them and i'm just staring at how cool the glasses are on your face yeah i think a couple people on stage had them boz might have had them on i think the person before him had them on like they look like interesting designer glasses i guess which is which is neat it's just cool yeah clear tech is cool i agree that's my that's my not that hot take of the day clear tech looks cool i mean if you want to talk about looking cool one of the best things meta did with their glasses is partnering with ray-van one of the most popular sunglass companies in the world that are yeah the silhouette of them is just like the standard of sunglasses at this point so yeah that always looks good the weirdest thing about any tech glasses is do they look like tech glasses or do they look like glasses um and ray-ban are glasses speaking of do they look like tech glasses or do they look like glasses the last announcement was was the big one which is their project orion yes ar glasses probably definitely the biggest thing they announced yeah so this is interesting every time i see another product and this isn't even a product yet but every time i see another announcement or tech demo like this i always think back to google glass like what google glass wanted to be so orion ar glasses are they look like a thick pair of tech glasses they they don't look like regular glasses clark kent yeah but what's happening even inside that frame is super impressive they are a bunch of projectors and a bunch of wave guides and essentially projecting visual elements onto the real physical world in front of you that you're still seeing through the lenses yes somehow through refraction he went over it so quickly how it really worked i kind of wish ellis was there when we were watching that part because he may have understood it a little little better well it was zuck even kind of like uh he didn't explain it he kind of paraphrased at least from what i watched he said it's a whole bunch happening with projectors and wave guides yeah and ar like it's a lot of technologies packed into this frame which will enable tracking of real world elements on the actual physical world in front of you which is amazing i want to try it the reactions of the people that they gave it to who got to try it seemed super cool i would love to actually experience and see what what feels like what google glass wanted to be yeah for sure yeah what snap spectacles last episode wanted to be um actually ellis and i did see someone in the crowd wearing snap spectacles which was very at medic connect at medic connect that checks out i'm sold i think they're cool looking you're still on them i think these look better but still are obvious no the snaps I actually I'm sorry I haven't seen what the Orion looks like I was I was doing other work while the yeah um if you had told me everything you just told me like a year ago I would have been like nah that's bs and I can't believe I'm citing them but now that the humane pin exists I believe it like like that sort of projector technology is I've seen it with my eyes yeah mini project it's the so mini projector that can handle so this is kind of funny like i um as like a side thing i do like projections for raves and stuff like that and i was at this rave inside this uh what was effectively a cave last weekend it was like a revolutionary war era bunker so picture this like long semi-circular stone building and the base was so intense that it would defocus the projector on every kick drum it kind of looked sick it kind of was like boom boom but um but yeah so it's like these things are really sensitive to vibrations and kinetic energy and now that i've seen the humane projector deal with it so well i i know it is in fact possible yes we got to see some pretty inner workings of the humane projector and despite the product not being great that projector was actually pretty impressive i did nail that part of it yeah and then being outside but yeah that so like even think back what google glass was like there were tiny projectors in that this is a decade ago that would like be visible outside you'd look up into this cube over your face and you could see the directions or the weather or whatever was showing you which is crazy so one thing about that versus something i found really interesting zuckerberg said in this was so that was in like a cube but it was almost like a frosted cube right where you couldn't really see through that part it's more that it was part of your vision correct yes google glass was uh floating semi clear yeah yeah um but because of that like it could project on it better because it wasn't completely clear and with the outside world something they mentioned in this was not only do does the person have to be able to see through it to interact with the world but what i found interesting was they're trying as hard as they can to make sure people also can see your eyes as the non-orion user because that feels more natural yeah and some of the clips they showed that kind of worked there's a lot of this blue glow going on um because obviously projections are happening with inside the glass and i believe they said they're using refraction to be able to stick it in certain spots with within the projector or you know from the projector so you're still gonna get this blue glow almost like it's almost like the real version of the like spaced out eyes on the vision pro um the like hazy blue eyes on it but I'd never thought about that like you need to think from the outside perspective of AR glasses if they're going to be something that you wear all of the time it needs to not completely block you out from the outside world from both directions it is impressive that they got to this point I think it's a 70 degree field of view which is almost double what the new snap spectacles were I think they were 48 so that's better not Not great, but best in class right now, I guess, if you consider anything that's not released best in class.

45:32Yeah, so just as a disclaimer, these glasses will not be a real product. They will be a dev kit that will be used to develop the next generation of what they will ship, which will be some future AR glasses. And I don't believe they set a price either for the dev kit. I don't think they even set it. I'm sure developers will get that information at some point, but this is not something you and I are going to be able to just buy. No. It also has, so it has custom silicon order to run it. Something that I don't think they showed in there, but Alex Heath, I think I'm pronouncing that right, from The Verge, wrote a great article about this, who's also the one who wrote about the Snapchat Spectacles.

46:07So he has direct comparisons between these two. Mentioned that it has this kind of like, it almost looks like a battery bank. It is not connected to the glasses, but it is where all the computing is happening. And it needs to be within 12 feet of the glasses or else they are just glasses. so you do need that the battery life for that is two hours which for dev kit fine that i mean if we're talking about end game ar glasses these are something you put on in the morning and you take off at night he even talked about transitional lenses because like if these are things you're going to wear all the time you don't want a pair you don't need to have to buy a pair that are sunglasses and your regular glasses they need to be able to switch between those so if you're taught if you want them to last all day two hours is brutal yeah um other things they they announced is the way you interact with it voice ai like voice ai you have hand tracking you have eye tracking you also have something they're calling a neural interface which is a bracelet that the way they're describing this i can't tell if they're like overselling it or not but essentially I think they claim measures like movements or something between the the muscles in your hand so you can just like move things like tap your fingers and move like a joystick on your thumb that can control it um I'm pretty sure he announced this once before they've showed it off in various little clips here and there yeah yeah none of us have been able to try it either yeah So it's a cool idea, but again, not something you and I are just going to buy someday.

47:46No. At least anytime soon. Alex from The Verge did say it worked pretty well. He said he was more impressed by with how well that worked than the actual glasses themselves. Which is cool. I remember I anecdotally got to try it and Zuck took it off his wrist and put it on mine. And so I was using it and it briefly it would mess up sometimes. So he'd be like, oh, well, when it's calibrated for you, it works better. So I'm sure that's part of it too. like it needs to be your size and it needs to be like set up for the first time i'm sure so a lot of that yeah i'm still not totally sure on how it's doing it if it's not just being able to tell like which i think these are called metacarcels the essentially the tendons that run from each finger because what it's doing is nerves yeah around your wrist it's being able to tell which fingers are moving and how they're moving so you can tap you can use your thumb like you have a joystick um or you can like flick and do spin and and anything like that yeah um but you can all do it down by your side because they're saying no one wants to be inside of the grocery store maybe asking some of the things that they're doing oh yeah voice control or you don't want to be the guy and when the vision pro first came out and everyone pretended they were doing things like while they're crossing the street and um but yeah all of it seems cool.

49:02Yeah. It feels like we're so far away from an everyday product. TBD on the last one being an everyday product, yeah. And how much would it cost? How much would you guess something like this would cost? What were Snapchat spectacles were, was it$199 a month? To be for the developer kit. Oh. It was like almost$1 ,200 a year, I think. $99 per month. And you have to commit to 12 months. so maybe it'll be something like that instead of a one-time price just because the dev kit doesn't have a price tag yeah i could see this being more expensive um yeah because it seems better than the snap spectacles and a lot of different specs and just how they look um but yeah can i go over a couple other or is there anything else on that you wanted to go over no that's it i was fascinated by this cool i'm gonna quickly run through a couple other small things they announced um llama 3.2 uh meta ai with voice so you can interact with llama um and meta ai through your voice and get voice responses they also showed this like really strange example of i don't i think the person works for like open ai and meta and like does some ted talks and stuff but he came out and they essentially had a like scanned version of his face and then an ai trained on what he would say um and then talk to that person it was super uncanny valley and like some of do you know when ai tries to respond and act normal but you ask it a question and all it does is like semi repeat the question back and then have the most bland answer ever yeah it's like when i tried to ask uh like i have a bunch of wasps in the studio just to give it an answer question it was like yeah that sounds really spooky having a bunch of wasps in the studio you should stay away from those like okay it's pretty much like what my google home says with like a little bit of like the worst writing ever yeah um so yeah that was weird i didn't love that i don't know why they keep trying to do this like people you recognize animated faces talking to you like with the whole thing they canceled with like Mr.

51:08Beast and wasn't like some basketball player. I don't know. All those celebrities. I don't know why they keep trying to do this. I think it's weird. They also inside of the Ray-Ban metaglasses, there's a translation thing. They were showing the example as Spanish to English or English to Spanish. And Mark was talking with somebody else. It was fast and impressive. But it made me realize that no matter how fast and impressive live translation is, There's one always going to be the awkward pause of things catching up. And when it's going super fast and it can like start translating while I'm still finishing my thought, it felt weird hearing two voices going at the exact same time.

51:48And if you're only focused on one language, you can understand. Maybe it's easier to pick that out. But I feel like that would be disorienting to hear two streams of consciousness come at you slightly too late. Yeah, that's a lot of these translation experiences. I'm sure they're trying to work on that. but that's one thing I've never thought about is hearing a different language version of yourself as you're talking. Yeah. Two other really quick things on there. For the voice assistant on the glasses, you don't have to say any more, hey, Meta, look and blank, do this. Now you can just say, hey, Meta.

52:24Nice. Pretty simple, but way better. And then I think one of the best things they launched is they're partnering with Be My Eyes, which is a program that helps with people who have visual impairment be able to see things in front of them by I believe it's an app where you can connect and show somebody inside of the app something on your camera and the person on the other side can help tell the visually impaired person what that is. Being that right inside of glasses is so much easier and awesome. So I think this will be a huge accessibility feature that probably will be overlooked a little but I thought was potentially one of the best announcements they had today.

52:58Nice. So that's yeah that's basically the high level overview of MedConnect. Again, we're going to try to get our hands on some of this stuff, but until then, those are our thoughts. Yeah. Is it weird that I want clear glasses, but I don't want all of the tech inside of it, but then it won't be fun as clear glasses anymore? You can already get clear glasses. I know, but they don't have a bunch of computer chips inside of them. Would you buy clear glasses with non-working computer parts inside just because it looks cool? But then people are going to think I'm recording them, and that's weird. So you might as well be able to record them.

53:26I'm in a real predicament here. Yeah, that's a tough situation. I sympathize. We should take a quick break and we got a little more after that. But first, we have trivia questions.

53:41all right today's trivia question number two today's second trivia question is the realistic way to say that um is going to divide our audience in half because about 50 percent of people who hear this are going to say how do you not know the answer to this you are a moron and the other half are going to say i literally have never thought about this once in my life and don't know the answer can we take guesses on which one marquez and i are before we hear the question uh i think we all know who i think this is going to be a marquez is like realistically this is a david would be like how do you guys not know this okay uh andrew you're gonna be like i never once thought about this that's where that's what i was gonna guess and marquez marquez is the the slender oval in the center of the Venn diagram.

54:28But what does Llama actually stand for?

54:36I definitely know we have talked about it. Have we? I believe so. Maybe. I had to look up what it stood for because I didn't know. I can't remember if this is one of those situations where like Dolly is kind of like a mix between just two words. No, this is an acronym. It's an acronym. This is straight up. Yeah. I lost. It's a real acronym. Dang. Well, half of you already are streaming answers into your phones and the other half are kind of wondering and maybe thinking about this more. So that's what we'll do. We'll be back after the break.

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