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35:00You can hire top-rated pros, see price estimates, and read reviews all on the app. Download today. All right, welcome back to the Nintendo Switch 2 podcast. we've got some Nintendo Switch 2 to talk about believe it or not surprisingly this week Nintendo fully unveiled detailed Switch 2 specs, games, compatibility features, accessories, a whole bunch of stuff price tag, release date that we hadn't known so it's all out there now and people can decide now really if they're going to spend their money on the Switch 2 it was never an option for me I mean you were always going to spend the money that's unfortunate but now you know how much money you're in for because they could have said any number because now it's a little more than I want to spend, but if it was a lot more than I wanted to spend, I'd have been like, well, that's how it is.

35:46Well, for those wondering,$449. If you were somehow under a rock... If you're a gamer, you cannot afford this. I'm sorry. If you were under a rock the past couple of days, because didn't we see like a million concurrent streams on the Nintendo Switch? It was just the US one. 1.2 million concurrent on YouTube during the live stream. For only the Nintendo US. There's Nintendo UK, which also had like 200 ,000 viewers. They just said, Nintendo Switch 2, innit? That was the whole thing. I think they used Pounds probably. That's the only way. The day we're recording this, so look, I'm trying to immerse myself back in the Switch one and really get ready to make this video, but we're recording this on Wednesday, and I'm planning on making a Switch 2 hands-on video tomorrow, on Thursday.

36:31I'm so jealous. And I'm doing this because lots of people are asking about the Switch 2. It's clearly very popular. But I've been trying to figure out how many people are going to watch the Switch 2 video. And I think now it's going to be a lot. It's going to be 15 million. No, no, no. It's not going to be that crazy. I mean, the last crazy video that was kind of like the same vibes was the PS5. Because it's every seven years or something crazy. Like eight years. And so all the hype gets built up. And then we unbox the PS5 and it had like 10 million views in two days or something. Minimum 15 million.

37:00It had a million. This is the only video I've ever made that had a million views in the first hour. This will get that. It's PlayStation 5 unboxing. This will get that. so I don't think it's going to be that much. I don't know if it'll be quite as much. But it should still be interesting to see how many people are talking about the PS5 this week. PS5 also came out 2020, so at the end of COVID, there was so much going on, so much happened. That gained 100 ,000 subscribers just from that video. Yeah. It was crazy. And we made it at 8 o 'clock at night. Yeah, it was just unboxing. I couldn't even turn it on or do anything.

37:29I just unboxed it. This will do that. So this is the hands-on, but what we learned this week was all the details of all the new things with Switch 2 versus Switch 1. So the price tag is one of them. It's$449. From there, I mean, some basic spec improvements. We don't have like CPU, GPU details, but we have a larger screen, obviously, with a thinner bezel. It's still the same thickness of a console, so it'll just kind of feel like flat and bigger. I love that. It's a 1080p, 120 hertz display. It's an LCD. 7.9 inches. 7.9 inch HDR support. 120 hertz. I love that. Look, everyone says you don't notice 120 hertz versus 60.

38:07That is not even, does anyone say that? Yeah, because every time we talk about the iPhone, I'm like, it's 60 hertz. I can't believe it's still 60 hertz. And then all of the internet goes, nobody can tell anyway. And now the Switch 2 comes out and everyone's like, yeah, 120 hertz, I've been waiting for this. The biggest problem on the iPhone is that. So which is it? It's like the home screen that's 120 hertz on the iPhone. And like most apps are still 60. That's the problem. No, no, no, no, most apps are 120. It's like the mapping apps are still 60 and like a couple, but most of the apps are 122.

38:31and I noticed that with scrolling through everything and like moving around the UI. Maybe it's a screen size thing. Yeah, I mean on this big of a screen, you gotta go 120. I'm just like, for all the people who have been yelling about how nobody notices the difference between 60 and 120, I better not see you buying a Switch 2 for this feature, okay? But it has 120 now, so there you go. It'll do 4K out to the dock to a TV, so that's awesome too. 4K 60. 4K 60. Okay, that is reasonable though because most TVs do not go over 60. Most of your TVs are 4K. I know there are some, but most of them don't.

39:05Yeah. That you should turn off. But that's good to see. But the other big new thing, I think, with the Switch 2, aside from that stand, which I think is nice, is the new Joy-Cons. The new controllers are massively updated. First of all, I think my favorite feature is the magnets, how they connect to the side. How they work. How the magnets work. Yeah. The SLDL buttons. Sorry. S-L-S-R. S-L-S-R? The buttons. What are they called? yeah slsr those buttons at the top are much bigger they're also made of steel metal that interacts directly with the magnets inside of the switch too which is how they stay connected that's how they work yeah so they double they double function as buttons and connecting with magnets unfortunately we thought that there was going to be a polarity switcher it is much simpler than that it is a piece of plastic that pushes it off of it which is fine totally fine it is fine they're also they have like bigger buttons they added a button which is the C button which is how we can talk about that software feature in a second.

40:07I think the Joy-Cons in general being bigger just like it was always so cool you could you know break a controller to have two controllers but they were always ergonomically horrible and like you needed to put that extra little like wrist wrap bigger button connector onto it where this looks way better to play with horizontally detached by itself. It also has mouse support. So they kept doing this thing where they turned it sideways and put it on a table. And I suppose there's like an optical sensor in it so you can do things like moving it around, rotating and there are games that support mouse control with the Joy-Cons.

40:41I haven't thought that that was a good idea yet, but I want to try it. They were showing a golf game where you could like move the putter around at the same angle. This kind of feels like the most gimmicky part of the Switch to me. Yeah, I think my overall take with the Switch is they didn't miss on any of the things that we were hoping for. I agree. But then some of the extra stuff on top is like, oh, okay, interesting. I will take gimmicks on top of everything we wanted. Like, I'm mad at gimmicks when they didn't give us something that we asked for. Yeah. But if they gave us the 4K bigger screen, 120, all of that stuff, and then give me a gimmick, cool.

41:15Like the PS5 controller triggers that have the different feedback. It's not in that many games. It's kind of gimmicky. Yeah. But you had everything else on the game. Dude, I loved I wish more games supported that. I'm less pumped about the mouse thing than the PS5 controller trigger. Huge quality of life update. Extra USB-C port on the top. As someone who is just using their Switch for the first time in a while a couple of days ago and it's dead, it is extremely hard to use at all while it is charging because that's charged from the bottom. So if you're not playing docked, it's hard. So now you can plug it in from the top.

41:49That can also be used to plug in different accessories like the camera, which we will talk about later. yeah one more thing on in terms of if you're playing it standing up like on your thing the new uh kickstand has multiple different angles that it can adjust to as well which is really awesome yeah um the switch oled had a new kickstand too that was way better and it was made of metal and it was very cool as good with the same amount of things it went down very very far kind of like a surface pro awesome so yeah so yeah these new accessories are interesting so like we said it has two usbc ports so it can be docked and then on that top usbc port you can plug in the switch 2 camera and basically the way i feel like i was watching this video and nintendo's just acknowledging that the switch is a very social console and there are people who have switches who are not in the same place and they can still take advantage of all playing the same game and making it feel as social as possible we're all used to zoom and being on these little like video squares we all see each other so you point this camera at yourself and a lot of switch two games will actually have a feature built in where it will like include your picture over your you know your video game stream as you're playing the game so if you're playing a game you can see other people playing the same game or different games at the same time right you have a microphone on the top you can chat with your friends you can see your friends apparently it's got ai noise cancellation so if other noises are happening in the room and the switches across the room it can still pick up your voice yeah so it's a more social experience you don't just see the character on the screen you see your friends with the camera like a big part of the camera is this new feature called game chat which is included if you have switch online but you have to pay for it unfortunately after free for a year you get the free first yeah after like the beginning of next year um but basically what this lets you do like you were kind of talking about is it will show your main screen on your screen but then it also shows the screens of your friends that you're playing with yeah and the cool thing like you mentioned is that you can be playing the same game and it'll show their games at the bottom you can also be playing different games and if you have the camera it does this sort of like ai cutout thing where it cuts out your head and like stitches it to the corner yeah and so it can show your reactions while you're playing mario kart or mario party and i think that that is really really important like during covid when everyone's playing like Animal Crossing together and Super Smash Bros together and stuff, you didn't really have that party experience from being in person with people and seeing their reactions.

44:19That's a huge part of the fun of gaming with people. And so being able to actually see their reactions and their face is very, very cool. In Mario Party, it's one step further where generally you would have the little circle next to your character that would show your avatar. Now it just shows straight up your face and your camera. So like attached to your character playing Mario Party, your face is like, like that's an awesome way of doing it. I mean, everyone who plays games on like the computer, they're used to having discord and party chat. I know PlayStation's like incorporated discord, but this is a first party voice chat, all set up inside your, your system already.

44:56And now that you have a camera, you can either play Mario Kart, see everyone's reactions on like the bottom of the screen, like a zoom call inside of everything, which was brilliant. It's so awesome. I think it's, it's the closest thing that you can do to actually being in person with people and playing with them and on in your living room and not having to set up a zoom call on the side which which i've done i'm sure all of us have done it's pretty annoying it sucks yeah yeah now they also showed us feature where if you and a friend are both local and you both have a switch then you can share a game that only one of you has to the other switch so you can play it at the same time with them yeah now they showed this kind of like basic like sort of backgammon looking game so i would like to be i'm interested in what other games will end up supporting this but the idea is okay i have a switch i have this game i want you to play with me but i don't want to break my controller off and hand it to you and we play on this tiny screen because you also have a switch right so i will share essentially some files some part of the game with your switch we're both local we're on the same network now we're both playing on our own switch but in the same game yeah i think that's cool too i think that's very cool um and we'll see what games end up supporting it and then the The other thing that was kind of big to me, because I've had my Switch for a while, I have a 32 gig Switch, and I didn't buy a micro SD card, so I have three games on my Switch, is the base storage is 256 gigs now instead of 32.

46:11Marques tried updating the games the other day, and it just froze. You don't have room. It said, you can update two of the games. Pick two, because the third one, not enough space for that. Wow. But now you can put way more games on the Switch. Now, the question that we don't, we have a lot of unknowns with the Switch, and I'll start to go through those. We don't know how big the new Switch 2 games will be, So 256 gigs is great, but I also assume that Switch 2 games are going to be bigger because they're higher fidelity and they have more graphics and that might still only be room for three games.

46:40Yeah. But yes, there is still micro SD Express support. You need a faster card because you can still put a card in. So that's one. Number two, I haven't heard or read much about battery life. It's still as thin as it was. I assume the battery is a similar size. I don't know if the battery will be significantly better or worse. It's taller. it is bigger but a larger screen so anytime you have a bigger screen and a bigger battery you end up kind of canceling some of that out so i don't know if they've made any announcements regarding like fast charging or having a significantly better battery in any way but i'm wondering about that yeah um i think it'll have better battery life because usually bigger screen bigger battery the battery still has an edge like if you look at like the iphone max you know it's a bigger screen but there's a bigger battery and it usually has better battery than i guess like this screen is so much bigger and brighter potentially yeah and higher refresh rate and the games yeah because they added a uh they also added a fan to the dock so they're kind of acknowledging it's gonna get hotter yeah so so tbd on that yeah um i guess those are the two main unknowns for me also things like durability joy-con drift any issues that might come up we'll see yeah the question is like did the are these hall effects uh joy cons that would be a good question because i didn't say those words people were making like hall effect mods to the joy cons before because the joy con drift was like a major issue i assume nintendo would have kind of tackled that problem they had to know about it so i hope oh my god they've known about for a very long time so hopefully they tackled that uh they didn't mention anything about it specifically though which is interesting and then yeah we'll see what games come out for it because there will be kind of as they mentioned there will be switch two games which will have all the optimization they'll take advantage of the camera, if you have one, and all these cool features.

48:25If you get Switch 1 games, some of them will be compatible, and then some of them will get updated Switch 2 versions of them, which will, again, take advantage of the features. Well, you have to pay. You have to buy an upgrade pack, I think it's called. Yeah, which I do not like very much. I think that was the biggest L of the announcement, although we don't know pricing. Hey, wait a minute. I don't know where this is being incorporated into the episode, but it is Thursday. I have Ellis sitting next to me. What's up? When we recorded this directly after the event, not everything was out. One pretty big piece of news came out and that is Mario Kart World will be$80 for the online version and$90 for the physical copy.

49:09There's also some weird thing about physical copies. There's a lot more we're discovering, but I just wanted to put that out there. We did not know these pricings. No, we did not. So the rest of the conversation, understand that. And next week, I'm sure we will learn so much more about pricing and the Switch 2. And we'll update everything next week. Seems like there's also some Ray Tracy stuff coming out. And some digital versus physical store download in the cartridge. We don't know if the cartridges still taste bad. Please enjoy the rest of our Switch 2 discussion. And just know that we were still in the dark when we had this conversation.

49:45But now we see the light. And next week, we will share that light with you. next week for Switch 2. The switching. Switch 2. Part 2. There's big updates and there's small updates. There's games that got a whole new world that you can play in, but then there's the Zelda games which have better fidelity, basically. It's brighter HDR support and higher resolution, but you have to buy that. I'm wondering how much of a difference those updated versions of the games will actually make. And how much you have to pay. And like, yeah, how much is it? If it was like$5 to$10, I think that's understandable.

50:23But if it was like$20, that seems like it's pushing. $20 would be tough. Yeah. What? So pricing-wise, the only thing we didn't mention is, I think the camera's$50, you said? Yeah, so the camera's$50. Okay. The console is$449. And there's a bundle with that and a new Mario Kart game called Mario Kart World, which is$500. So you're basically paying$50. Yeah, but it looks like a sick game. But what do we think pricing-wise on that? $449. So the original Switch, way back when it launched, was$299 at launch. Considering how much better this one is, how much bigger the screen is, inflation, a bunch of other factors, and now it's 2025, I'm not mad at$449, to be honest.

51:06That's just me. I think some people will think about, I'm going to buy the Switch, and then how many games am I going to buy, and then how much total am I spending? And then you kind of have to think more about that. but yeah i'm not mad at the 449 i think it's quite a lot it's high yeah it's not like absurd to me i'm not surprised by it i was hoping it was going to be 399 um but i still think it fits in that slot of not correct me if i'm wrong not as expensive as like a ps5 or the new xbox it still like slots in under those more expensive game consoles maybe i'm wrong on that yeah the Although I guess at this point, it's out years and years after those two launch.

51:46PS5 Slim is$500. So if you get it with the bundle, it's the same price as the PS5 Slim. The Switch one was 2017. Yeah, I know. It's been eight years. Eight years, and it's gone up$150 total. PS5 is$499. Yeah. And the digital editions with no disk drives,$399. So yeah, it's more expensive than those. They did come out earlier. Yeah, it's like kind of a tougher price, but also we all know it's not going to deter anybody from buying it. That was interested in buying it. I mean, a big seller for Nintendo is the parents who buy it for their kids at Christmas. And the difference between a$300 console.

52:31Oh, yeah, but none of us thought it was going to be$300, right? No, but I thought maybe$379. Because, yes, it's much better in every way, but it's also been eight years. So it's a lot easier to buy a 256 gig NAND chip to put in the device. It probably costs the same or probably actually less than it cost them to put a 32 gig chip in it eight years ago. So I'm, yeah, very curious about the new screen. I want to look at this new screen. I want to see how much better it actually looks. I appreciate the 4K 120 or the 1080 120. Thank you. But, yeah, we'll kind of have to be a judge. We're, again, recording this before I get that hands-on.

53:11And I'll sort of try to detail that in the video. So if you guys haven't already watched that video, by the time this podcast comes out, that video should also be out. So check out the hands-on video. There's no embargo on the hands-on? Nope. It's just going right up. That's insane. Yeah. It should be fun. But yeah, that's Nintendo Switch 2, Nintendo Switch 2, Nintendo Switch 2. Mario Kart World looked pretty sweet. So I've mostly not played a lot of Mario Kart, but it seems like the open world concept is a big difference versus the original Mario Kart. Like Mario Kart, you kind of get people who just like memorize exactly how they play certain maps and then you just go crazy.

53:45Where the gameplay that they were showing and these people were just being very social about just like driving around, just seeing what's happening, not really racing as much, which is interesting. There's a couple of things where one's called free roam where you can just roam around the maps and like take photos with your friends and stuff, which is like if you're really into it, that's cool. Is that Mario Kart? I thought what's cool is, so like, one of the ways you play normal Mario Kart is a Grand Prix, where you play four different maps that are all in one. But it used to, like, segment them into, you play Rainbow Road, and then you play whatever map.

54:16And now you drive between them inside of the Grand Prix, which is really cool. And then there's another one called Knockout, I believe, where, because in this game, you can have up to 24 players on a map, which is the most they've ever had. But they kind of have it. It's not within the Grand Prix. They showed it quickly. it seems like there's a map of all the different racetracks and they take a large chunk of racetracks you drive and you drive between them and then there's checkpoints within the racetracks where it'll knock out like eight people in the first one so if you're not within the top 16 as you hit that you get knocked out and then so you drive further and further and further and these longer and longer iterations of different maps sequence together and then until one person's left at the end which i think sounds really cool it's the chase the chase that's what that's what that's how the nascar playoffs work when they first introduced that system they called it the chase except imagine if they drove from talladega to daytona in between in the nascar that would be kind of sick not not gonna lie they can in fact go 500 miles so yeah they just don't turn right very well and they could go that's not true that's such a A third of the season has right turns.

55:26Yeah, but they set up those cars a certain way for certain tracks. So just be careful on those city streets. I'm just saying. Yeah, there's something else. They're releasing this game called Nintendo Switch 2 Welcome Tour. Yeah, this is a pretty big L from me because you have to buy it. Oh, you have to buy it? That's the only thing I have a problem with. It should have been free. Yeah, I mean, the Wii came with Wii Sports. And the PS5 came with Astro's World. Did it come with Astro's World? You got that for free. I think they released an Astro Bot bundle later. Astro Bot was the game that announced after.

55:57Astro World was the first PlayStation. You're right. Was it really called that? Yeah. Oh, Astro's Playroom. Astro's Playroom. Yeah, I was like, that is the Travis Scott. That's why I said Astro's Playroom on the PlayStation 5. But that was the same thing. It was like a demo. You get all the strings. I think it's important to be able to show users all the benefits of the console that they're playing. and I think that they made this game like the Welcome Tour game actually looks very cool where you run around a giant Nintendo Switch 2 Nintendo Switch 2, Nintendo Switch 2 Same thing PlayStation did and you basically just like you look at the different parts of the console and it tells you really interesting tidbits about it and it teaches you how to use the mouse and all this stuff why would you have to pay for that?

56:39That makes no sense like you release Wii Sports for free with the Wii which is one of the most iconic games of all time and then you have to buy the basically like glorified demo demo guide of how to use the console like that's crazy is it gonna be did they say a price they didn't they just said it was a paid digital game i just think that's a huge it should have just come it should have come built into the console that's a big miss who's gonna buy that i would never have bought astro's playroom but because of how good it was i learned a lot about what it was capable of yeah and then went on to go get games that i thought would take advantage that teaches you the new features If I didn't have Astro's Playroom, I would not have learned a lot of that stuff.

57:17So being free, being included, being easy to access would have been awesome for this. Other things, they just released, or they're going to release this new game that takes advantage of the mouse control. It's sort of a combination between basketball and also you're in a wheelchair and it's a whole thing. It's Rocket League and wheelchairs. It's Rocket League with wheelchairs and basketball, which is interesting. But it's not using existing IP and it's focused on the mouse control. and I think that it is more beneficial to release existing IP that uses new play interaction because it gets people to do it like when The Legend of Zelda Skyward, not Skyward Sword Don't get this wrong Twilight Princess came out, they released it concurrently on the GameCube and the Wii and the whole thing that was beneficial for the Wii was that you could use the motion controls to kind of use Link's sword and so they released this new ip that teaches you how to use the motion controls and really plays into the motion control thing and that's awesome because people are going to freaking play zelda anyway but they're not planning like people are not planning on buying this game that's like rocket league with wheelchairs and basketball you know what i mean it's just kind of a random it makes the most sense of how the they work because if they need to be flat down on a table and pushed on both sides it's like the two wheels of a wheelchair and you can like wave to get the ball passed to you and stuff like that you're right though i don't think a lot of people are gonna yeah or it's gonna be like an instant cult classic and everyone's maybe obsessed with it yeah i don't think that's what's gonna happen but it could maybe that's probably what they're hoping for um they talked about a bunch of different games does everyone want to pick like one they saw that they liked that they liked okay oh wait oh i'll get there anyway uh kirby air writers but okay kirby air ride was a gamecube game that encapsulated much of my childhood so much more than a game it was more than it was an epoch it was an epoch it was an epoch i there are there's core memories burned into my brain of sitting in my living room playing that game for like hours on end with my friends so kirby air writers i'm extremely excited for there's one that just it felt like they were trying to hit me in the nostalgia personally it was a new tony hawk game and they're showing it and I'm like I remember Tony Hawk I don't know if I would have that much fun anymore and then within the last three seconds of the gameplay they're just like Spongebob level and then cut and it was like Tony Hawk I was like what are you doing just like out of nowhere he's just like in Bikini Bottom people that played Pro Skater were also Spongebob fans so here you go that is a solid overlap that is very smart of them I see NBA 2K is coming so I'm curious to play that we'll see how that is on the airplane Yeah.

59:58Well, I won't be playing online, but I'm a big my career guy, so I could play anywhere. Six hour flight? Trust me, I'm on that grind. I'm going to be developing my player. What are the games that you guys were excited for? Pokemon Zah, baby. Did you ever play Arceus? Legends Arceus? No. Oh, well. It's the other one. Pokemon Zah? That's what it's called? It's Pokemon ZA. I don't know, man. It's Japan. What is Project 007? It's a James Bond game. They showed very little. It literally was just like the opening, looking down the barrel 007 scene. And it just said like 007, the world's most famous hitman or assassin.

1:00:36Because hot take, I thought the Wii release of Goldeneye, it wasn't like a remaster. It was like kind of its own thing. It was one of my favorite Wii games. Really? Yeah. So if they can do this right, I'm pretty into it. Also, I apologize if any of you heard Zuri snoring. It's hard to wake up a cute puppy. I didn't hear it at all. Perfect. Don't wake her up. we've done it twice how dare you but possibly one of the biggest announcements gamecube is coming to switch online for a small fee oh well as part of switch online yeah i mean that's the last console that i played a lot of oh dude it's so good like i had a friend actually my friend who had the game who had the gamecube also had a nintendo wii but that gamecube does have some little bit of nostalgia in my heart just a little bit people have been asking for them to add this for so long and so you're going to be able to play wind waker you're going to be able to play pokemon xd gale of darkness original kirby ari potentially original kirby ari super monkey ball there's just there's so many and then wave race i'm just i'm ssx tricky oh so many good games uh they're also releasing a gamecube controller that is wireless that can hook up to the console so you can play those GameCube games more natively.

1:01:53They could charge$4.49 for that and it would fly off the shelves still. Yeah, true. And then it also has an additional C button to do the community chat stuff. So I'm very excited for that. I just want to relive my childhood. Have you ever played any of the Civ games? Civ? Civilization. Oh, I thought you said Sim. Nope. I guess I'm an idiot and never realized they were on console, but they showed Civ 6 and like the it sounds i i'm hoping the console controls are good because rotting on my couch and playing civilization sounds like the greatest thing ever because doing it in your chair and when it's 5 a.m you're back starting to hurt but if it's 5 a.m and i'm just lounging on the couch with a nice blanket dude according to wikipedia it's on android oh my god don't tell me that i'll get nothing done dude that's a great you should play more i think you would like that it's super low-key you can play as much or as little as you want and by as little i mean as much as you want and we'll see how much storage i end up with i'll try that that'll be one of my first few games on the switch too literally all of the games that are coming for the gamecube are just they're just my childhood just wrapped in one this is most super mario sunshine chibi robo pokemon xd gill of dark super mario strikers uh they want to hit me in the nostalgia personally i'm gonna need truck simulator 18 wheels of steel are you serious 18 wheels I think I just want that on switch I hope Marquez plays truck simulator with the split joy-con horizontal only those controls control and I'm just using the wheel oh yo it's the shit it's the manual shift with the the mouse control wait to get in so you have nostalgia for truck simulator yes I'm just like shot as someone who also plays really boring games.

1:03:41I did not. No, bro. I customized the heck out of my truck. I was going cross country. You guys are broken human beings. I don't understand why you would. Oh, we've evolved. We've evolved. I had no idea. Nintendo will get there. There's tractor simulator. There's truck simulator. Goat simulator. Switch 2. Anyway. Nintendo Switch 2. This has been fun. Hey, watch the video if you haven't already. Check out the hands-on. Let us know your thoughts in the comment section. Switch to, switch to, switch to, switch to. Nintendo. Trivia time. Can you ask them if you can have an additional person follow you into the room?

1:04:19Yeah, for no reason. Can I keep it? Did we mention that it launches June 5th? June 5th, 2025. And, and, pre-orders begin in one week from, of time of recording, which is the 9th of April. But, but, if you have had a Switch Online subscription for one year and you have 50 hours of playtime on the Switch, you'll get an early access pre-order invite for April 8th, which ya boy meets the requirements for. I think that's super reasonable. That can also deter a lot of people from trying to flip this. Yeah, I wonder how many people that trims out 50 hours. Well, it trims out people who have never played the Switch before that just want to try and make a ton of money off of it.

1:05:01And you have had to pay a subscription. Because you would have to have paid the subscription for a year before today. So nobody can game the system now. I think that's very smart. It's going to be the hardcore people are going to be able to buy it right away, which I think is awesome. Someone's going to have to sell their account that has all the requirements so that the bots can get in. Your boy is selling his, so if you want it, you know where to find me. Taking bids right now. Taking bids. $1 ,000. $451. Oh my god. Trivia! Alright, next question. What Nintendo Nintendo Switch game. Nintendo Switch 2, Nintendo Switch 2, Nintendo Switch 2, yeah.

1:05:41But we also briefly mentioned Mario. Fun fact. Mario's first appearance was not in a Mario game. What game was it?

1:05:53Sounds like, isn't this, was it Mickey Mouse? Like, this is the Mickey Mouse lore. Yeah, it's the Mario lore. The Mario movie, right? Yeah, it's the Mario movie. That's the first time we ever saw Mario. The first time we ever saw Mario was in Steamboat Willie. I definitely don't know this one. Yeah, he was the villain in Steamboat Willie. He was trying to plumb the ocean so that the ship would sink. Oh, wait, I actually do know this. The shareholder value didn't hold it up anymore. Nice. There's a point that you guys get and I don't. All right. Well, hey, we got one more section after the break.

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1:07:50The pumpkin spice latte is back at Starbucks. Crafted with our signature espresso and real pumpkin sauce. Then topped with whipped cream, cinnamon, and nutmeg. The PSL. Get it while it's hot. or iced only at starbucks all right welcome back there's still a little bit of other stuff that happened surprisingly a lot of things happened in the tech world this week uh an article was published about future meta smart glasses plans maybe not even that far in the future maybe this year so this coming out with smart glasses codenamed hypernova that will be over a thousand dollars and have a monocular screen in the lower right hand side of one of the lenses and so that will give you a visual UI and a whole bunch of things that come with that.

1:08:34I am not surprised by this. I think it could be cool. We all are very familiar with how popular those Ray-Ban meta glasses have become, which just have the speaker and the meta AI and the camera lens on the front. This would be able to give users a lot more control, a lot more visual experiences. Obviously, they can translate things in front of you and show you arrows where you're supposed to be walking and driving things like that so doesn't shock me it'll be interesting to see when they come out but cool there was a time when i was optimistic about the future damn it's got dark when google glass was announced and everything was exciting and fun um and now considering it is meta i just think they're gonna track your eye movement and that's gonna be used to sell you ads as far as i know there's no camera at your eyes yeah well in this in quest yes i don't know sorry to be the way i am that did that did come up around the time of google glass the technology was nowhere near that good yet but people saw google glass and fast forward in their brain all the way to i'm gonna look at a blank billboard and in real time someone's gonna buy that ad space personalized to me yeah and then i'm gonna have to pay for ad block for it to be like blurred or something which i could see meta doing but the technology also has to go a really really long way to get to that even being a possibility whether the company is like the idea or not which is they have to have the ability to overlay tracked objects over the real world which is like barely possible do okay and also then track your eye movement and place personalized ads on those billboards and then the infrastructure of like having blank billboards in the real world none of that's even remotely possible with what they're talking about here though because it's in the lower right hand of your eye it's not even in your eyesight and there's no cameras on your eyes so monocular screen is just being able to show you something kind of like google glass would be kind of just like a small little thing hovering over the real world which is still cool i would like uh to be able to have that but you'd have to like specifically look at it like this is not something that's coming in augmented reality because it's probably in the bottom right so you'd have to like it'd be in your peripheral you have to be like oh i got a notification look down kind of thing is this better or worse than checking your smartwatch in the middle of a conversation it's way better really it's like if we're just having conversation and then you like look all the way in your bottom i'll tell you why it's better because i've tried some of these and i don't know what it is but the association that people have with when you raise your wrist up and check it is like rude like you're ready to leave this conversation.

1:11:22But isn't it normalized now? It is a little bit, but I think in conversation, obviously eye contact exists, but there's a lot of just like, hmm, looking at the horizon, oh, like thinking about stuff. And in those glances away, you can literally read something. And so it's, in my opinion, way less intrusive than checking your watch. But then you're just going to get distracted and you're not going to be able to actually hold a conversation with somebody. Sorry, David, what was that? I was reading this ad. Like it's going to be so much more likely that you just, Your brain is going to be moving towards another thing and then you're going to forget what you're talking about with the person in front of you.

1:11:55It is a balancing act. The demos that I've had so far were very intentional. So they were like I was talking to someone speaking another language and the transcription of what they were saying was appearing on the glasses live in front of me. And I alternated between eye contact and reading that transcription pretty quickly in a way that felt pretty natural because it's classes. Yeah. where I don't think that would have worked as well with a phone or a watch trying to do the same thing. But yeah, you're right. If it's just I'm talking to you and a notification appears, that does feel bad. It feels like I just got distracted.

1:12:32Yeah, I can see in specific contexts, it can be very useful. But when taken to the extreme of we're just going to show you all your notifications that are on your phone, it's like you're just going to be distracted all the time. Yeah, I'm assuming you, like I only have certain notifications that come up on my watch. So I'm assuming within the Meta software, you can pick which notifications you want to come up. I'm sure there's a do not disturb mode. I mean, ultimately, if you're the one letting all of those notifications come into that space, then you're just probably the type of person who doesn't care about a conversation as much.

1:13:05You still have to control those things. How did you have Slack notifications on your watch? Me? Which one of you? I do. No, Marques is everything. His watch goes off the entire time we're in this podcast. It's insane. It's telling me something. Miles just finished a workout. Oh, by the way, it was a Slack message. Oh, my gosh. Constant things happening. I had a kind of a hot take. Oh, it's not even that hot of a take. Maybe it is. We'll see. Do it. Who has the minimal phone? You have that light phone? Not on me, but I could go get it. No, you don't have to get it. I just think here's the take.

1:13:36We live in this world where humans can just get smartphones and can have this incredible access to all the world and information and social media and emails and everything around us. and to many people it is very distracting and they end up wanting to go ah this is too much give me a minimal phone where i don't get distracted by as much of that stuff if you are so distracted by your phone that you have to spend extra money for a worse phone you lack discipline well okay i think you should okay that's not fair that's not fair because these companies literally yeah they they understand human psychology and they use ways like meta meta one at a time yeah on facebook messenger triggered several i literally a facebook messenger will send me notifications that are like hey check back on this conversation you had with this person five years ago because they want me to open the app oh yeah you know what i mean it's like i understand where you're coming from because i think most things in life there are many like quick tricks to like fix your problems quickly but those never work because ultimately you have to develop the discipline to actually like going to the gym or like doing all these things like you have to actually just want it so bad that you do it but these companies are are actively trying to get around your discipline yeah so yes it's kind of your fault but it's also the company's fault it is definitely shared responsibility but it is kind of a crutch i just i don't think it's fair i don't think it's fair to be like you're undisciplined when literal billions of dollars are being spent to like break your discipline.

1:15:15Yeah. You know what I mean? That's, I am, I am one guy, you know what I mean? Compared to the world's investors funneling through Meta's veins, just trying to get me to pull out my phone six extra times per day. Right. You know, I just think the minimal phones, like when I look at the ads for them, I want to look at what they actually are. They are a black and white phone that only lets you make phone calls, text, and there's what, a couple of like a Maps app, a couple other basic things like that. That's the Light Phone. The Light Phone? We should differentiate between the different minimal objects.

1:15:49So I guess the goal of something like a Light Phone is that you literally cannot open Instagram and scroll. Right. And you literally cannot open the web browser. That's the Light Phone, yes. and yeah that that line between i need a phone where i can't do it because if i have the ability to do it i just will yeah i mean a lot of people use these sorry i'll let you know i feel very strongly about this i didn't mean it oh i was just gonna say don't think of it as i need this as a crutch think of it as i am putting a wall between me and the billions of dollars being spent to make my life worse to make your life worse yeah because these companies know that like remember the big meta leak where where they they knew internally what their products do to teenagers mental health they were fully aware they had all the research and they didn't stop because it's not about making your life better none of none of these i hate to break it to our audience none of these companies release tech products to make your life better you know actually i'm not so sure about that i think that there is upside and downside and that the companies who are trying to sell the upside are trying to minimize the downside but they're very aware of the downside and it is a huge downside but the whole like connect to the world and have access to what your friends are posting in general is not like i hope to ruin your life with these photos no it's but there is a big downside but but they knew these companies know internally that the way they're serving it to you the way they're sending you notification ads the way they're presenting its data to you is to increase usage time.

1:17:22It's to increase the amount of time. It's to increase engagement, the amount of advertising, the amount of ads you see. So I don't, I think that buying the minimal phone is not just about I can't do this myself. It's about now you can't do this to me. Yeah. I'll use, that's a fair point. I'll use YouTube as a specific example. YouTube, I would think we all agree here is a pretty net positive service. probably is better that YouTube exists in the world. Oh, yeah. YouTube is actively in the business of trying to maximize how much time you spend on their website. Every little micro decision that they make, every decision we get confused about, why did you remove the dislike button counter?

1:18:04Everything that they do is trying to maximize satisfied watch time. That is how a channel becomes successful. That is how a video becomes successful. That is how YouTube becomes successful. They show you more ads. They maximize how much time you spend on the site. at a certain point you can fall down a rabbit hole become addicted spend way too much time on youtube and there is that downside and trust me youtube is very aware of those downsides and the things that happen on their site and they do a decent job of trying to minimize a lot of that stuff um i hope i never have to buy a phone that doesn't have the youtube on it because i am that addicted to youtube but i very much depend on youtube and use it all the time and accept the downsides that come with how much of an upside it is to have that experience that's a fair point yeah there's there's balancing act okay you're right you're right another counterpoint um youtube is like owned by google right so they have a little bit of i guess by alphabet but yeah by alphabet whatever same thing so they have a bit of a they have a bit of a padding for one not being able to make or not needing to like maximalize to the highest highest degree possible all the time and they're able to sort of uh optimize like you said for like satisfied watch time to make you feel good about the platform to come back to it uh it's slightly slightly different i guess because before they just optimize maximum watch time but sometimes people would arrive on a video and watch it and then leave halfway through because it wasn't what they were looking for and they tried to like get people out of that funnel and into a different video that they would enjoy faster meaning that right you do watch the video so it's not necessarily a positive emotion it's just actively finding and choosing and staying on the website longer yeah they've also built an algorithm that is incredibly good at showing you things you actually like yeah i think that a platform like meta where you know instagram or reels is completely dictated almost i mean you there is a search function but does anyone use the search function on instagram besides to find someone's account no uh so whereas youtube is like it is it is very much a choose your own adventure besides the home page which does drive a lot of views so i think having more active control over what you're using the platform for makes it less addictive than something that just feeds you dopamine constantly yeah i mean youtube does have a shorts carousel.

1:20:32Yeah, and recommended. They do, but. And you'd be surprised how many people use search on TikTok. I'm surprised about that all the time. Yeah. People like search for recipes, search for trends, search for restaurants. I did see someone search for a specific video on Instagram last week. Apparently it's like if you are in an area and you search on TikTok for like a certain restaurant, you'll find little viral restaurant reviews in your area and then can visit that space. So it's interesting. That's the reason I can't go to my favorite bakery anymore in China. Because I bloop on TikTok. Dang, that happens.

1:21:06But yeah, anyway, that's why it's a hot take. So are we pro-meta glasses? Sorry, I need to take this down on. Well, metaglasses, again, will have an upside that comes with a downside. As we mentioned, it will be very useful for things like live transcription or showing you directions or whatever you're doing. but it will absolutely come with the downside of distracting you with notifications when you don't need them. I can't imagine driving on the highway and getting a notification in the corner of my vision and how that isn't a horrible thing. So, yeah. Yeah. You get some and you lose some at the same time.

1:21:43My hot take is I would not have been as annoyed at this if it was literally any company but Meta that was making them. Well, trust me, there will be more companies making them. I know there will, and they will probably be near levels of, like, I don't know about this. But Meta is possibly the worst one, in my humblest opinion. They're all bad. They all just want to make money. I think we all understand that. I know that. However, if Meta had done this in, like, 2011, 2010, you know, back in the Google Glass era, it would have been hilarious. Because it would have been, like, Andrew needs two more sheep in Farmville.

1:22:22David poked you. Walking down the street at 10, David poked you. What? Yeah. Anyway. We'll find out by the end of 2025. Last little tiny little thing. Delta emulator, which is this awesome emulator for iOS that there are multiple stories about because they basically had it on this separate app store until they were officially able to put it on their real app store. They have now released an update that lets you do online multiplayer for Nintendo DS. And I think that's super cool. So congrats on that launch. That's all I wanted to say. Without any further ado, it's Trivia Time.

1:22:59I think we need new erasers. Trivia Time. All right. We were talking about April Fool's jokes. I have four in front of me. I'm going to read them real quick. And you guys tell me which one I made up. One, Tesla goes bankrupt. Elon announces a Tesla bankruptcy on Twitter. Two, Google Mic Drop. You can email anyone a gif of a minion dropping a mic with the touch of a button. C, Hulu's new app, Who, which is eight second cuts of TV shows. Or D, the Nikon D5100 selfie cam, which allows you to take selfies out of the EVF. Or it's not an EVF. It's just an OVF. It's an optical viewfinder. Yeah. You get it.

1:23:40You get it. You get it. All right. Which one did Ellis make up? We all picked the same thing. We all picked C. Pac-Man. I drew a C and then I drew a bunch of other stuff around the C. Wait, is that a reference to Google's 2017 April Fool's joke where they let you play Pac-Man with Google Maps? I remember that. Oh, and Google Maps. That was one of the best ever. But no, I just got carried away with the C. Very good. You're all wrong. I apologize. Was it the Nikon thing? It was the Nikon thing. I made that one up. That was very well created. Thank you. Because it would be a good April Fool's Day joke.

1:24:13Thank you. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. And I didn't even use AI to think of it. It was too good. Yeah. The thing with the who thing is that there are real services that try to do that. So it's kind of funny to make an April Fool's Day joke around other people's business models. Well, this was 2017. So they were ahead of the time. Yeah. Anyway, Adam's going to read the score and then give you your second question. Marquez with 15. Andrew with 7. David in the lead carrying the one with 16. Really only one? Yeah. What happened to my lead? I know, sorry. And for his 17th season Bobby Moynihan!

1:24:56No one? SNL sounded like anyone. Question number two Mario first appeared in what other game? Damn. Yeah. I am not gonna get this. You might. That's why I picked it. Oh! Metal Gear Solid. Snake and his famous companion Mario Elden Ring I'm trying to think of other games That aren't named after their main character Skyrim He's definitely been in Skyrim There's a mod where Mario is in Skyrim Metroid Prime Fortnite Fortnite And Mario Brownlee Marquez you can do better than that What did you say? I didn't know that was a game I said solitaire. I don't know. Games? Come on, guys. Andrew? Donkey Kong.

1:25:49David? Donkey. Correct. Kong. Yes. Country. So do you remember the old Donkey Kong game where, like, Donkey Kong's standing at the top throwing barrels down the... The chutes and ladders. Yeah, I thought Donkey Kong was a derivative of Mario, actually. Well, Mario's the guy jumping in the game. You play as Mario in Donkey Kong to rescue Princess Peach. Hmm. But it was all Donkey Kong. Wait, is it Peach or is it... It's called Donkey Kong. Maybe that's not Peach. It's not Peach. Marquez, I thought you would get that because it's like the only other Nintendo game that's like mainly pop culture. I was like, if he just picks another...

1:26:23I never played it either, but if you just picked another one... You've never played the original Donkey Kong? I've never played it. Uncultured swine. And with that, we will end the podcast. Hey, but like I said, Nintendo Switch 2, Nintendo Switch 2, If you haven't already watched Nintendo Switch 2 hands on, check that out. It should be on the channel. What else do you guys have to say? Anything else? Nintendo Switch 2. Mario looks crazy in Donkey Kong. It doesn't look anything like Mario. It just looks like a... Oh. That looks like Wario. You saved Pauline in Donkey Kong. And Pauline is a character in Super Mario Odyssey.

1:27:02So they bring her back. Okay. Jesus. I also want to make it known today that earlier I named all seven Pokemon. You want to name them again? All seven? There's a lot more than seven. I named all seven. I don't think you got to seven. I think I got six. I think you got six with a really good hint. I think I got seven. I can name 26 right here. Damn. Yeah. All the unknowns. Take that one, nerds. Yeah, there's Agumon. I can name 27. There's Mercury. Renamon. Venus. Neptune. Alright, let's wrap this up, boys. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. thanks for subscribing thanks for liking thanks for commenting thanks for suggesting stuff for next week catch you guys later peace waveform is produced by nintendo switch 2 adam molina and eliz roverin we're partnering with vox media podcast network and our character music was created by

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