Nothing Beats Phone 4b with Ear 3a?

28:36Marques Brownlee:That would be cool. I was like trying to think of it if it's like, do you know how people do it? Also illegal in some states. So they specifically say this is for personal non-commercial use only, which makes me think is their weird lawyer way of being like, please don't just record a bunch of music off of Spotify and like steal it for local backup. Yeah, how does that work? Yeah, so DRM, wait a minute. so you can record so anything anything that's going to the wireless headphones like any feed that's playing you can record my entire knowledge of this feature is one sentence that says you can record so what you hear they don't give like a what this is useful for i'm not entirely website or i missed it like you try to screenshot certain apps that have like dr like a netflix video it will not let you because you're not allowed to.

29:25If you are listening to copyrighted content

29:28Marques Brownlee:and you record it with the feature in the app, does it still work? I have no idea. I guess we'll have to find out. Apparently it records and can store onto the case storage and then be accessed through the NothingX app where you can then edit or share it. So you can definitely... Transcribe it, which actually sounds cool. Yeah, I was going to say that's one of the features. You can definitely record conversations because one of the things that they're showing on the website is call recording and you can save up to two hours of conversations and online meetings. And then in the app we're friends private.

29:56That probably makes the most sense, especially if it's going to NothingX app. They like all the AI stuff. So being able to save that. I'm fairly certain that's still illegal in some states though. It's like some states are two party. Like you need to tell the person I'm about to record. Is that okay? Yeah, but the iPhone still has to record this call feature. That's true. You know, it's not like it's up to you to follow the law. It's not up to like nothing or rules. There are laws. Yeah. I mean, on the website, it does say one of the features that says capture calls plus media. I don't really see anything on the page that talks about what it's useful for.

30:31Oh, here we go. A call and transcribing sounds. New audio snapshot and call recording feature lets you capture all the things you hear while better active noise canceling. Okay. You're right. They just mentioned it exists. They don't really mention what you should use it for. I think since Carl Pei is so long on AI stuff, I think his probably intention for it is all of these like ai pendants and stuff are like oh quickly record a thought that you have like these um these rings a big feature of the rings is just to be able to like tell an idea to your ring so that yeah it can get saved somewhere and then it's like your second brain i would guess that is what they want to market these for too with one step further because you don't like to just do thoughts you don't need to record the audio that's playing yeah so i think like conversations meetings we're seeing all these different things of like how to record full meetings so to that point have you tried it yet for meetings no because i tried it the other day when we had our special podcast meeting no it was um was it notion notion it was notion or no i have like a huddle or i know it does it was google meet and when we had our special podcast meeting for upcoming episodes stay tuned um i asked it to record and summarize the meeting just to like try it out see what it did it gave me nothing useful by the end of it like it was completely useless that was what was the point of letting you listen to this that was probably it was google it's because google makes money i i just did a google one and it was really helpful i think that short no it was an hour long this was an hour long and it was complete it was like it's really try to figure out this and i was like yeah but we resolved that issue like we solved it and it like the summary just completely ignored the the solution to be fair the majority of that meeting was like six people at a table and like one or two people on the video call so it would have had to just listen to mostly people talking at a table back and forth that is that is what a meeting is no no but most multimodal super intelligence online meetings are like excuses i think most remote meetings are all the individual people have their own microphone and oh i disagree that's maybe for a fully remote company but most companies are like sitting in a room with one or two people remote.

32:41Yeah, I think the thing inside Google Meet is probably... I'm not trying to... I don't want to be eye-defending Google. I like... Going back to this, I don't know how much of a useful feature this actually is. It's stupid! But it's$99 and a cool pair of headphones. That's all I care about. I think that's why they're cool. Who cares about Audio Snapshot? The stupid microphone thing in Ear 3 no one uses, so... The microphone thing? Yeah. You don't even remember it. Put a microphone in the case it's like in the case so you can talk to your case like a road goes like a oh yeah i forgot about that well didn't that not work because android didn't support it or something when it

33:17Marques Brownlee:launched no idea i think it it did work and you could use it as like a mic for your call if you were in a super loud and then it sounded bad and then everyone told you weren't holding it close enough to your head even though you were like right up to your mouth put it inside your mouth i will say like they have a bunch of press photos of people wearing these buds and you can see the color a little bit but you could see it more if they just actually made the stems different but it's probably too many that's why i think the white ones look the best because the stems are white there might be an element though of like you see a flash of pink or a flash of yellow in someone's ear and it kind of makes you do a double take maybe that's what their marketing strategy is is try to get people to look twice i think their marketing strategy is the stem they don't need to make four different stems they can only make they make two stems i mean yeah that's a production strategy.

34:03Production, yeah. Okay, well, I don't know. I mean, I would like to try these ones. They're generally good for$100. Yeah. I like them. Well, since we have nothing more before our ad break, except for trivia, then we should do that. I guess we should do that. I really wanted to make this question about Google internal code names and pickle stuff. But I discovered today, if you search the words Google codename and then any word in parentheses to like force, give you results, AI Overview will just invent a fake Google product and say that was its codename. Any word. I pushed it really, really far.

34:49But today's question is about pickles. Because Daniel Park's bio, as we mentioned, is in a pickle or some in a hashtag pickle, hashtag in a pickle, whatever. I got his name right, right? Yeah, Daniel Park. Okay, cool. But I would like to ask you guys today, what famous English language author actually coined the idiom, the colloquialism in a pickle? I thought this was going to actually be about pickles. He was not the first one to use it, but it is regarded as the place where it became a popular phrase that everyone uses. You say English? English. It's English language. the first usage I could find was about 40 years before this guy but it seemed like no one cared about that and then this guy used it and all of a sudden everyone's been saying it's a pickle ever since yeah exactly dude yeah

35:45Marques Brownlee:okay I have no idea yeah no clue I'll give you a hint English language author got it now I got it that's a really good hint I think that somehow made it I thought you said English author now English language could be anyone he is also an English author so now I'm back to where I started which is I have no idea I think there's two that I'm thinking about at the end of the video we'll just pull out a whiteboard and just write down an author I'm worried about that part I'm worried about guessing and looking like an idiot name an author answers will be at the end like usual we'll be right back my brain when a non-tech question comes up

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39:14Marques Brownlee:know aspect ratio teaser thing going on on social for a while now they have the official unpacked invitation which says uh it says a new shape unfolds i don't know how you could be any more clear about this they're going to have a new foldable with a different shape um they even have a sort of a tear off animation so you can see exactly what shape the foldable is going to be yeah it doesn't get any more clear than that now we just have to wait to see the actual device and to see if any of our theories are going to come true about it being slightly lower priced or slightly more mid-range than their ultra foldable, which is a little taller.

39:47I think it will be because the rumor is that the Galaxy 8 Fold is going to be called 8 Fold Ultra.

39:54Marques Brownlee:Yeah. And I think this will probably just be 8 Fold wide or something. Yeah. But without the Ultra moniker, and it's probably only going to have a couple cameras, it's going to be the mid-range one, I think, which is kind of sad because I like the Passport style better. I also think it's kind of sad, but I also think it makes sense only because in Samsung land and a lot of other companies, more cameras equals more Pro. Yeah. Like pretty strictly. The more cameras it has, the more Pro it is. The Galaxy S26 Ultra has a bunch of cameras. If it's a lower end phone and it's cheaper, it has less cameras all the way down to their very lowest end phones, which typically have two cameras.

40:29Marques Brownlee:Except for the iPhone Air. Well, so in Apple land, it's actually kind of still true in Apple land, but the iPhone Air messes it all up because it's more expensive than the base phone, but it has less cameras. Yeah. So. 9 to 5 Google has price rumors They're in... Okay. Are these euros? These are euros, right? Yeah. Bounds, euros. So, Z Fold 8, 256,$19.99. Z Fold 8 Ultra 256,$2 ,199. Okay. That's not a huge difference. It's not a huge difference, although I don't know the conversion rate very well. It's pretty close. 2 ,200 euros is$2 ,500. That is expensive. That's a lot. Yeah. Not that close.

41:09But the difference between... That's 256. damn and two thousand euros dollars starting so it's not a big gap though between them so do we think it's just like slightly less screen real estate and one less camera so we think that's just gonna be called the z fold 8 I think that's what people seem to be thinking that's dumb of them

41:31Marques Brownlee:I don't we call it they should call the z fold 8 wide yeah maybe at the expense of making this podcast slightly more useless when the event does happen do we think the difference will be between the wide and the full size eight. I mean, I wish it was only the... If it's the same chip, same RAM, same storage, same display technologies, literally same refresh rate, just different aspect ratio and one less camera and less battery. It's probably gonna be a chip from last year. In the wide? Yeah. That would be another way of lowering the price. Yeah. But it doesn't seem like the price is very low. It doesn't seem...

42:05I'm starting to think it might just be the different aspect ratio and camera. and if that's probably slightly less total screen real estate right true yeah so that's probably the difference in a little less display one less camera just the camera slightly smaller gets rid of the ultra moniker and you also have a smaller battery if it's a smaller overall phone yeah well and i think the ultra moniker here is less of that it's ultra and more that the other

42:31Marques Brownlee:one isn't it's like a differentiator maybe it also has no s pen support maybe it also drops like some of the really, really fringe extra like software features or something that the Ultra has. Maybe privacy display on the Ultra or something. Yeah, true. Stuff like that. It would be crazy to not put... Never mind. Who knows what they're doing? Who knows what's crazy anymore? I was more worried about it being like a$1 ,500 foldable that's like lower on every single aspect of everything. Yeah, like a lower end chip. Lower end chip, less RAM, worse camera sensors. Gotcha. possibly like plastic back like that's what they did with note note 10 and yeah 10 ultra or whatever it was well we'll see july 22nd we will find out that will be galaxy unpacked a new shape will unfold the other one is google and that is happening in august august 12th and they are also very very clear in the photo of it we literally get to see the pixel um they've done a good job at not leaking everything into oblivion with the pixel this year uh but they are showing us what looks like the top half of the pixel 11 which has that round you know pilled shaped visor like we've seen for the past couple years not looking forward to a whole ton of change with pixel design but i will naively cross my fingers for a big improvement with tensor well and then we are supposed to get the pixel glow is this going to be a glowing visor don't believe it that's what the rumor is no shot kind of feel like they would have teased that more heavily if that's actually i agree but all the rumor sites say that it's probably going to be a glowing visor I almost can't imagine Google teasing a new pixel that has a glowing visor and not saying the glowing thing is happening unless they're trying to save it for the event and make it a big deal like it's glow time like they would be very on the nose about it yeah that's how Apple did a couple years ago even though it wasn't glow time yeah exactly we'll see any other leaks that we see with pixel Yeah.

44:32They're apparently going to kill the 128 base color, which is specifically for Andrew. Kill it. Base model, not color. Good start. However, it'll be$100 more expensive. Bad finish. That is a price hike. I'm tired of people who say, this isn't a price hike. I'm tired of pretending it's not. It's a higher point of entry, aka price hike. I mean, these companies kind of have to do this. Storage is so ridiculously expensive right now. They could have looked really sick last year. Now they just look like fools again. Yeah, they kind of jumped the gun there. Well, they might not be leaking the Pixel that much, but someone did find a Watch 5 in the middle of the ocean not that long ago.

45:13Marques Brownlee:That did happen. Allegedly. Most Google thing I've ever heard. We got some more Pixel 5 Watch rumors. This does seem like it's getting a price hike, about$50 for each variant, which makes the new starting price$399. But what I hadn't noticed is the Pixel Watch hasn't. It's always been$350. So five generations in for a price hike. I'll give them some credit there. It's still probably a little expensive for a Pixel Watch. Yeah. There'll be two sizes, 41, 44 millimeters. Both of those have a Bluetooth Wi-Fi or LTE model. But there's one new color. So four total colors. Silver, Arath. I've studied this word and now I'm getting it wrong.

45:50We watched a sick video of some guy. Anthracite. Anthracite. Warm gold and pyrite, which is fool's gold. which means they're the same color. I don't think anyone's expecting a solid gold pixel wash.

46:03Marques Brownlee:Yeah, when they say warm gold, is that supposed to be like some sort of a rose gold, like warm hue version of gold that's different? The rose gold for iPhone was basically pink. Right. But the renders of this do not look pink. But naming the other one pyrite, which just looks like gold, kind of implies that warm gold doesn't look like gold anymore. I think that's why they had to name it something different. Strange. I'll show you the renders. What if Warm Gold is shiny, like in the picture, and then Pyrite is matte? That would be cool. I would actually be into that. Google just released the Edition Edition again.

46:39The what? The Edition Edition. The Apple Watch Edition Edition. So, like, the swatches kind of look like Warm Gold looks like gold, and Pyrite looks like if you had a gold-colored crayon. You know what I mean? And it's really hard to make gold a crayon, which I guess would be the insane way of saying what Adam said, which is just, it's Matt.

47:04Marques Brownlee:You remember those 64 packs of Crayola crayons? Yeah. I ate every single one. I'm pretty sure one of them was pyrite, unless it was maybe the 128 ones. Maybe. There's only the 256 base crayons now, so I don't know. Y 'all had 128 gigs of crayons back in the day? That's crazy. The 90s were a wild time. I had that 64 gig, yeah. It does not look like there's a pyrite crayon. There's not a pyrite crayon? There's not a pyrite crayon? I just always remember pyrite being the one that looks like gold, but that is dramatically less valuable than actual gold, which is why they call it fool's gold. Which also doesn't say a lot about the Pixel Watch.

47:42Marques Brownlee:Yeah. I call it pyrite. But we'll see. I grew up in gold country. Oh. It's like where the gold rush happened. And so we have a mine that is still operating called the Empire Mine. A mime? that is whoa you're kind of mesmerizing me right now audio listeners will have to do that Adam was just miming podcast worst nightmare than mine well mine is still operating a mime podcast would be so funny I'm in a box I'm still in the box I can't get out of the box the box is getting smaller but you can't talk as a mime that's the whole point if you're a mime podcaster then it gets reversed then you can't do anything with your body you're just a narrator is that every podcast No, charades is regular mime.

48:24People already don't know if you're doing anything with your mime. Oh, no, yeah, you're right. That's why I'm doing the mime podcast. Anyway, please. But that's the opposite of. Tell us about your silly little mind. All right. It's called the Empire Mind. Anyway, it's still operating. You can go visit it. It's cool. And when we were kids, we used to go there at school, and they would show us the difference between real gold and pyrite. And you could, like, buy some pyrite and take it home and fool your parents into thinking that you actually found real gold. and they're like, oh my god, we can escape the permanent underclass.

48:52And then you go, I can't speak. April fools. You fool. You fool. So. In this swatch leak that I didn't notice, this is New Way Mobile. I'm definitely pronouncing that wrong. But it does actually say polished for warm gold and satin for pyrite. Satin. Nice. So Matt. Okay. Okay. Matt Gold. I like that. That's pretty cool. Well, how do we transition this, man? Am I the only one that remembers a pyrite crayon? I cannot be the only one. I don't have a Mandela effect. No, and people like their crayons. I remember there was a TikTok account once that was just this girl collecting the sunflower colored crayon.

49:30That's awesome.

49:31Marques Brownlee:It was way too entertaining. I have a good idea. There's 120 back. Oh, my God. Well, there might not be an official pyrite crayon, but you could generate a pyrite crayon with Meta's new Muse image model. Jesus. Kids' days will never know. The reason. Wait, AI is the infinite segue glitch. That's true. Yeah, that's true. Just generate a segue. Okay, so Meta has finally put out its first AI model from its super intelligence lab. You say finally, like we've been waiting for this. Yeah. Less that we've been waiting for it and more that they've spent almost as much as they spent on the metaverse on it.

50:07So there's that. They launched it. It's called Muse AI. It is a image generation model. It's very deeply embedded in Instagram. Adam Asiri is very excited that there's a bunch of new Instagram filters you can use with it, things like that. He posted it and all the comments were like, literally nobody cares, which is funny. The not funny part is that because it's very deeply integrated into Instagram, you can now, if you're on Meta AI, you can just tag an Instagram post or an Instagram profile. and it will, you can remix whoever's photos you want. You can add people's likeness into your generated pictures.

50:51You can add landscapes that other people took photos of into their pictures. Bad, no, don't do that. And it's opt out, which is, it's opt out. You're surprised? So yeah, I recommend that everybody goes into Instagram settings and opts out of this. Do it. I have to re-download the Instagram app. Well, I actually think you might have to because I don't have the app, so I just use the browser and in the browser settings on where you take this out, that option's not there. Yeah. You know what I've been thinking about a lot recently? And this is very obvious and not a unique take, but we allowed like five companies, like private, well not private, but corporations to be so deeply embedded in the way that we like live our lives and like move through the world and they just keep screwing us over and over again.

51:42If only there were some sort of protocol to avoid all this. If only there were some sort of protocol

51:47Marques Brownlee:to avoid all this. We should have a button we can press where the background really starts getting louder as David inches towards another protocol. He's right. That's the thing. He's right. Stop booing me. I'm right. This is so much crazier on the tale of two weeks ago, the meta boss came out and made that statement that was like look we get it we've tortured our engineers like moving that many of them over to the applied AI team and making them craft these games and training exercises for the AI like we get it we've like ruined the morale of this company but new Instagram filters baby let's go you want to look like some animal it's done it was all worth it a couple months ago I was just going to say not just any animal an animal that I took a photo of and you stole from me.

52:37Yeah. No, I mean, like a couple of months ago, Adam and Siri put out that like 20 post Instagram post that was like, careful guys, it's getting harder to tell what's real and what's fake. You've got to be really vigilant. We're living in difficult times. So here's more ways to create slop. You know? So anyway, they also launched a web tool where you can upload a photo to see if it was AI generated by Muse AI because it has an invisible motor mark. That's nice. Oh, wait, that's good yeah i mean they did the absolute minimum it's it's just built into the app but at least they have it should be built into the app it should be built into anything properly tagged it should be tagged yeah all of them i'm not sure if it will be tagged because i haven't actually seen any of these generations they have some animations um on their page and they don't look tagged to me it seems like the watermark is invisible um yeah i don't know guys i we didn't

53:32Marques Brownlee:expect me to do anything else but is it just me or does an invisible watermark kind of defeat the purpose of a watermark well it's like you can upload it to a tool and the tool is the only thing that's able to see it's it's up to the app developer to make a physical thing well not physical i guess but like a label for you the user to see but the computer in the background would see it i agree with you marquez it's like this if we're creating all these things with invisible watermarks when x misinformation gets posted and 1 million people see it yeah then the follow-up thing is like oh this is a fake image because we found the invisible watermark 0.00 for yeah 100 000 of the 1 million see that front yeah it doesn't matter that it's it's there's a watermark that says it's ai like all of the places where it's most important to know that it's ai are all the places where you're least likely to check if it's ai or not yeah and that strikes me as like a pretty important dynamic.

54:28Marques Brownlee:I don't know how much more like watermarky they want to get with it, but like if I'm scrolling social media or if I'm like seeing an image that is just sort of passing me and I'm not going to like spend a whole bunch of extra time with it, I'm probably not going to check. Those are the ones that are most likely to be AI and actually matter. But you shouldn't have to check. The app itself should see the watermark and display that information. It should. It should. Ideally, that works perfectly every time. I have a lot of experience with it not working perfectly. Hopefully it gets better. Yeah. I mean, Twitter tries to say things are AI, but half of them aren't AI.

55:00It just seems like it's getting confused. Yeah, I've seen both. Some of them are just Photoshop.

55:04Marques Brownlee:Yeah, I've seen both. I've seen uploading a thumbnail to Twitter and it goes, this has AI. Let me label it. I'm like, no, it doesn't. And I've also seen random Facebook slop that just doesn't say it's AI anymore. And it's clearly AI. So I'm like, all right, this is not perfect yet, but it would be nice if it was. It's almost like there should be a universal protocol where all of these can use the same invisible watermark. It should be a French horn. It should be a French horn in the background. Every time he starts saying. It's almost as if. If you would like to op out of the service, you go to your Instagram settings, look for the sharing and reuse tab and look for the header.

55:45Allow people to use your content on Instagram. Turn that off. And with AI features on that or whatever. I don't know. I turned it off before the podcast started. because I know people will try to do it. No can do for you.

56:01Marques Brownlee:These criminals. Opt out is always lame. I'm allowed to say that. These alleged criminals, but not by me. I think you are alleging that. I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know. Meta legal department. All right. Well, well, other social media news. Yep. Twitter's new editing tool. They just announced their video editing and recorder tool inside their iOS app. it can basically do everything you're expecting a vertical video editing tool on a social media app can do, which is overlay text and auto captioning and like green screen effects. Is this 2026 the year of the green screen vertical video recorder?

56:42Every phone seems to do it now. Android added it into Android. Yeah. And doesn't Apple have it now also? I don't think so. It's in Final Cut, the auto magnetic mask thing. Oh, that's like... Yeah, but that's the same thing. This is like the, yeah, like Android has it to now like when you're screen recording, like everything. Reactions, like you can react to the video behind you. They're saying that this is so Twitter users can now create original content. But what really was interesting about this is after Nikita tweeted, Nikita Bear tweeted this, you know, new tool. Who is Nikita Bear? He is something product of Twitter.

57:21Yeah, I try not to listen to anything. He's a lot of power. He's the guy that's texting clavicular. Oh, gosh. I don't even know. He's head of product. Head of product. Okay. He's also an advisor at Solana. Okay. There we go. Made a great phone. Okay. Someone tweeted that this is the TikTokification of the site continues, to which he responded a bunch of different things. We'll show the whole tweet in the video podcast. But a couple of lines from that that I thought was interesting. He said, many videos from top accounts are simply stolen from other users, sometimes five years after they originally went viral.

57:57No s***. I mean, I think we all know Twitter is pretty engagement farmy at this point. I mean, a lot of social media is, especially vertical video short form content likes to steal a lot of content.

58:11Marques Brownlee:Yeah, this isn't, this is, I found this to be a one way issue specifically with TikTok going to all the other websites. Like YouTube Shorts has this problem. Instagram Reels has this problem. Twitter has this problem. Everyone's taking things from TikTok because people make their video in TikTok's editor and it gets the TikTok watermark and it's clearly a TikTok and it has the end screen and when it's done and then that goes to the other site and YouTube hates that. Everyone has a different version of dealing with it. Instagram like penalized you for it. Yeah if it was very clearly a TikTok they would penalize it in the algorithm and they'd much rather you use their tools.

58:43Marques Brownlee:I think YouTube might have also done the same thing where if you have that like watermark or you know end screen that's tiktok they don't like that either uh so yeah what's twitter doing about it well so they're making their own so that you can then make your original content but i feel like the the issue with this is so many people like short form content because it's like pretty low risk high reward where you can make a one minute long vertical video with your phone and post it to four different platforms exactly the same yeah we do it all the time and what sticks on which platform is a total guess.

59:20I don't know if anyone's seen Billy Madison, but there's a scene where they throw pickles up on a window and it falls down. Pickle mention. And they race the pickles. Like, whenever someone asks me, what's your strategy for short-form content, I, like, send them that scene. I was like, one of the pickles might go faster than the other pickles. I don't know. It's all a guess. So, they now want to be the one making it. I don't think this is going to necessarily mean original content is going to be made on Twitter just because of it. And also could I not just rip a video and bring it into the Twitter video recording tool and still steal all the content I want to steal?

59:59That's how next time I upload my full length render of the back rooms all an hour and a half of it I can have me doing a funny little jig like keyed on top of it. Or you just have to be like the 20 % of the bottom just like looking up in your computer chair like you're reacting to it i

1:00:15Marques Brownlee:honestly think their best bet might be doing the thing that has worked in every other dimension of encouraging engagement which is just obviously penalize or like make it literally ineligible for monetization if it's stolen from another platform and you can pretty easily auto detect the ones that are stolen from tiktok because it has the tiktok watermark and the end screen and i think youtube shorts now if you make it in the youtube shorts editor and export that it has a YouTube logo in it. So if Twitter wants to be so serious about being the place where you create the content, then you can penalize or even disqualify from monetization the stuff that is stolen.

1:00:51Marques Brownlee:The big accounts will not benefit from stealing. And then everything will start trending towards you having original content. You know, Marquez, it's funny you say that because a big, big, big, huge part of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, the DMCA, is that in order to be legally protected from copyrighted stuff being posted on a platform you own, you need to be making a good faith, a quote unquote good faith effort to remove it, which to remove like YouTube. I think even though they're not awesome at it, like you could at least say they're making a good faith effort. Twitter does not make a good faith effort.

1:01:29I don't know what it looks like. Dude, the amount of full movies I get when I'm just scrolling videos on Twitter, like Like Twitter makes no effort to remove. I mean, maybe they do somewhere deep, but it's not good faith. I'll tell you that much. Yeah. It also apparently only matters if you're an iPhone user because this isn't on the Android app. Oh, my. Which they said they're working on. But I don't know. I feel like this could have just been like, hey, we're releasing this. Let's not make it some big statement on how we're correcting stolen content. just say you're terrible at removing stolen content and hope this enables some people to be able to make more original content.

1:02:10I don't know. It seemed pretty dumb. I need to start ending these ad breaks on a more positive story. I got into my Apple note that has been locked for so long and I finally guessed the correct password. So that is my good news of the day. What was the password? Congratulations. Thank you. What was the password? The password was... Nice. Wait, I actually do know what it is. You can password protect Apple Notes? A specific note.

1:02:35Marques Brownlee:Yeah, not suspicious at all. So your girlfriend can't get into it. Fiancee, no. LG G7, thank you. She discovers something in that note. Nice. LG G7, thank you. You mentioned it before. It launched. With what version of Android? What year is it? I can't even go in reverse order from today's LG phone because there is none that's true so I have to go back to the G7 G7? okay so G5 I think I know the year I'll give you an extra point if you get the codename can I say the year? no the codename I think I have the year I'm not going to have a version of Android towards Shamu the Nexus we should Okay. Answers will be at the end, like usual.

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1:05:31Okay. So something that's been kind of weird in iOS 27 in general, the beta, is that we've talked a lot about how all of the Apple apps have all this special access to Siri. Siri's the big update in iOS 27. And we've been wondering, is Siri only going to be good with Apple apps? When I ask questions about personal context and it only sorts through my messages app, but it can't go through Telegram, can't go through Signal, stuff like that. If I ask it to send an email in Gmail and it just can't do it, it can open Gmail but it can't do anything else. The big question has been, is Apple going to try to keep people in their walled garden where if you use Apple apps, everything's wonderful and dandy and nice and clean and beautiful?

1:06:17And I discovered an answer late last night. Okay. So as it turns out, Apple is allowing developers to allow their apps to give personal context, all of this stuff, to Siri. Yes. But the current version of Xcode that's in beta does not allow you to ship apps with these functions yet. So right now you can do them in test flight. so if you have a test flight version of an app you can see what Siri might be able to do with it once everything comes out everyone's sort of not officially reviewing Siri but everyone's just posting about here's what Siri can do, here's what Siri can't do everyone's frustrated and it turns out we're not actually going to see the full capabilities of the new Siri until it officially launches on that iPhone 18 in September

1:07:11Marques Brownlee:I think this is something that I've found to be generally true for a lot of like a lot of the big iOS updates you'll see a lot of your apps get that update in September yeah so they're not pushing like when we got liquid glass we've had like months and months during the summer of like oh okay what developers are going to embrace liquid glass and not a whole lot of them did and then September happened and the new iPhone came out and then everyone got the update and then a bunch of our most popular apps started to get liquid glass. Yeah. I think that's generally true about most of the big stuff in iOS, whether it's adopting new features or new plugs that developers can jump into.

1:07:48Marques Brownlee:Right. That stuff will wait until the September drop. Yeah. I think that the confusion around this is that we talked a lot about app intents, right, which is this ability for apps to have this list of functionality that can be used in shortcuts. And that's been around for a long time. That's been around for like five years. but the new version of ios is introducing two new things it's introducing entity schemas and intent schemas and uh entity schemas are like index cards it tells the app this is a recipe it tells siri this is a recipe this is a photo this is a note siri can read those cards and it can answer however it needs to use that and has like a set number of category things yes uh as far as i understand there are a ton yeah there are like a lot there used to be not that many when it was on an older version of shortcuts, but now there's like a ton.

1:08:37I heard, I was listening to a podcast

1:08:39Marques Brownlee:with the Flighty developers. Apparently Flights is not one of them yet. Yeah, and they were like, please add that. Yeah, that seems like one of them that should be there. Yeah. And then there's Intent Schemas, which is the app that can tell, the app can tell Siri like what buttons it's allowed to press sort of, you know? So I think this is just a very different way than Google looks at the AI version of Gemini using your phone because Google's like, We're just going to have Gemini agentically press buttons on your phone. Yeah, figure it out. And this is a very classic Apple mentality of like, we will give you the limited tools that we expect people are going to want to use.

1:09:19And to Apple's credit, apparently that list is very, very long, although it apparently does not include flights. Lights, yeah. Which is annoying for flighty, very annoying for flighty. but the developers I talked to over the last couple days were very very positive and excited about like when this officially launches and they were very intent on being like we're not really seeing the full version of the new Siri right now it's only in Apple's apps because Apple's apps have all these capabilities and they're sort of seen as like the this is what your app should be able to do but until it officially launches I don't think we're going to be able to see everything so the big question is still will google adopt schemas and app intents please uh the newer version of app intents yeah it would be really nice uh we really need to push them to do that because again without google adopting that it makes siri half useless yeah so just for an

1:10:15Marques Brownlee:example for that to be clear yeah like right now if i ask about like where am i going to be in a week it will go okay you're asking for specifically for a calendar event so now let me search for a calendar event let me look at what all of the developers on this phone have labeled as calendar events yeah right now that's just apple calendar because that's apple's app and then the other apps have been updated yet in the future we are hoping that other calendar apps specifically google calendar yeah will also label all of their events as calendar events using this built-in tool so that siri will be able to see those and we'll be able to pull from that app and answer it right So as of right now, we just have Apple's apps, which like as I test Siri, I'm just getting like stuff from Google Photos, stuff from Google, oh, sorry, stuff from Apple Photos, stuff from iMessage, stuff from my calendar.

1:11:05Marques Brownlee:And it's pretty simple. It also like fails at answering a lot of things because I say, oh, do you know this about me? And it goes, no. But if I ask where was I, it will pull from the geolocation of the photos that I took on those dates. So that's pretty cool. And Apple Photos. But yeah, from Apple Photos. But it would be nice if there was some more third party support. Yeah. And the reason this is very confusing is because, again, App Intents have existed for a long time. But the old version of App Intents was much more limited to the things that it could do because those are integrated to shortcuts.

1:11:35So everything that shortcuts can do, Siri AI should be able to do. But now because we're introducing these new schemas, it's going to be a lot more flexible. There's going to be a lot more things that it'll be able to do. so I've been seeing people tweeting like a lot throughout the week like oh has anyone actually seen any apps that support the new Siri yet it's kind of weird that's not out the reason it's not out is because Apple literally does not allow it to be out yet so hopefully we'll see it in the full version when I want to clear that up yeah so wait so the rant is

1:12:10Marques Brownlee:it's not out yet the rant is that it's not a really well this is why I said it's not really a rant I'm just sort of clarifying because a lot of people are like, a lot of people were thinking, is this another Apple walled garden approach of only letting the new Siri be magical with Siri or with Apple apps? And if you like, because I use Telegram a lot, right? Yep. It can't pull any of my personal contacts from Telegram right now. Right. But if Telegram supports app schemas when iOS 27 officially launches, then I'll be able to pull messages from Telegram, personal contacts from Telegram. Yeah. Google Gmail if Google supports it.

1:12:48We really need you to support this Google. If you do not support this, Siri is like semi-useless. Just like how they put YouTube on the Apple Vision Pro. That's the thing. They did, actually. It sounds really funny to do, but no one cared. Hey, Google, please save Siri. Yeah, that's just the way you're saying it. I know, I know, I know. Is it in Google's best interest?

1:13:06Marques Brownlee:I guess, okay, this is actually a real question. Yeah. Is Google so ubiquitous and powerful enough that it's actually better for them to not support this because it makes Siri worse and it makes you more likely to want to use a phone that it does work on? Or is it not powerful enough and you're going, wow, Siri doesn't work with Gmail. Let me switch to Yahoo Mail. Like I think you're probably gonna keep using Google services no matter what, right? So if it doesn't, if they choose not to support all these Siri intents, what does that mean for users? Yeah, okay. So I talked to Matthew Cassinelli about this.

1:13:43He was on the shortcuts team when it got acquired by Apple. So he's like very well versed in this stuff. And I asked him about this because I was like, hey, Gmail shows suggest like they show ads inside of Gmail when you open Gmail. So wouldn't Apple not be incentivized? Or wouldn't Google not be incentivized to allow Apple to just give you the information instead of opening the app? and he said that's kind of true but at the same time Google is already planning for a future where ads that are shown in front of you are not their main revenue driver so he thinks that the experience benefit of the app having a good experience is going to be more important than actually opening the app in the future now that's probably a lot more true for smaller individual developers than it is for like Google who just wants to monopolize your eyeballs all the time but it they're still i don't know you got to weigh the pros and cons there yeah i do i feel like if

1:14:38Marques Brownlee:it's if you're a smaller more competitive developer you have others who are in the same class as you you're like oh i definitely want to support this because all my competitors will and if i don't support it people might not want to use my app yeah but if you're google that is an interesting place to come from i hope they support it i feel like there is a little bit of pressure on google though to support it because if you have a bad experience in the gmail app on iphone you'll probably just download a different mail app or whatever or you're not sitting there being like oh my iphone's broken yeah why did i sound like an australian very australian um but yeah they're gonna be like google's being a pain in the neck right now and also just like google wants people on their services if your services sucked on the hardware that 85 percent of americans use will they actually switch?

1:15:25You're shooting yourself in the phone. Chances are they'll switch email apps before they switch phones. Yeah. Will they switch email services? The reason they can switch email apps is because email is an open protocol. Get the French horn. Get the French horn. Bum, bum, bum. So I will say, honestly, yeah, if Google doesn't support this stuff, I would probably switch email apps. I'm not like that tied to Gmail, the Gmail app. I just use it because I've always used it.

1:15:49Marques Brownlee:Yeah. But if Siri could pull personal context from a different... From like Outlook or something? But okay, the thing is you're saying you're switching your app, but like I switched to Notion Calendar, but Notion Calendar has to pull from Google Calendar the service. Right. So is Notion Calendar able to show those flags? I guess Apple Calendar, Apple, okay, wait, Calendar. If I do Calendar, for example. I mean, it would be whatever Calendar app supported the schemas. I think Calendar or Mail, because you're just logging into your Google account on both of them. Yeah. So it's being reflected on Apple.

1:16:22like it's not the main thing well if you sync your google calendar to your apple calendar yes it's also pull the data from the apple calendar app which doesn't always transfer correctly yeah

1:16:33Marques Brownlee:that's that's a whole nother dimension that i'm not as an expert about like i i don't think it like okay i message if i search for it in siri it has the entire history of all my i messages ever yeah because i can just pull from that yeah but if i have gmail the app on my phone that's not storing locally all of the emails I've ever had and all of the attachments I've ever had. Yeah. So it has the ability to go look that stuff up. Now, if I use a different email app, that's even less connected. That's now able to pull from Gmail the service, but it's not, it's storing probably even less locally than the Gmail app is.

1:17:09But it could probably, Siri could probably do a thing where it searches within the email app and then pulls the context out and just surfaces it to you without actually like.

1:17:17Marques Brownlee:And theoretically, that's the same level of access. if it knows to go search the cloud. It should be because of beauty of protocols. I hope so. All right, I'm rooting for this protocol. To be fair, email and calendar are the worst examples of this because those are already open protocols. And so you should be able to sync those, your calendar and your email to Apple Calendar and Apple Mail anyway. Yeah, Photos is probably the better example. Photos is a good example. Google Photos? Flights, I guess. Like WhatsApp is another one. Remember, you used to not even be able to have WhatsApp on multiple devices at the same time.

1:17:51Marques Brownlee:So if you wanted to search your WhatsApp history from your iPad, you would be like, well, I don't know anything about WhatsApp because that's on your iPhone. So that's another one. Browser histories for freaking recipes. That's the only place in my life where I need this. Do you know how annoying it is to be like, dude, I found the best chicharrones recipe ever and you can't remember, you didn't save the link and you just want to know how much lime juice to add. And so you got to... That's your fault. You'd have to use, right now, you have to use Siri if you want that data. You got to go back to Google.

1:18:21You got to click on a web page. You got to scroll through some childhood story of going to the Dominican Republic. Just to get to the, how is it my fault? Because when you find a good recipe and you cook it and you know it's good, you immediately copy all of the important parts into a note somewhere. No, no, no, no. Yes. Or a Google Doc. When you find a good recipe and you make it and it's good, you go, and then you forget because you're full. that's a perfectly understandable experience you didn't enjoy it enough then no I enjoyed it so much that I never want to forget it again oh my god there's so many recipes where I'm like

1:18:53Marques Brownlee:you don't know if it's good enough to save until you eat it so you have to eat it first exactly and then who knows I don't know I save them how many days are you going before you're like oh that was a good recipe four months ago and now I have to find it all the time you by next day you should at least be like that was good I should save that recipe and then it's right there no no no this is why they're inventing the robots Andrew this is exactly why if there's anything I really wanted AI for it's terrible recipe websites maybe we'll pull from browser history we'll see I mean yeah if you use Safari right now if you use Safari specifically and which one of us uses Safari it's also your fault okay wait I do want to formally apologize to Ellis on the podcast because I have started using Safari again and it is a good browser.

1:19:48I never said it was a bad browser. I don't think Adam's opinions have any weight when he switches things every three months. That's why I wanted to try it. I was like, you know, I haven't tried Safari in a long time. I'm always talking s*** about it. Let me actually just try it out. Next week. It's not bad. Pixel browser is so much better than Safari. Pixel browser. Pickle browser. Pickle browser. I think you're talking about Dia.

1:20:09Marques Brownlee:Come back to Arc Vivaldi. Arc Mobile is a solid ARC Mobile Solid, I still use it. ARC Browser is that building they just found in Manhattan. That's true. It's a deep cut and potentially a deep collapse. All right. Jeez. Trivia. Trivia. Trivia. Anyway, Google, support this stuff because I want to use Siri better. Also, just for the record, just for the record. Yeah. I know how much lime juice to put in Cheech Roses. It's more about the air fryer time. You know, I just can never because like you there's the perfect like temp and time. And you're like, how much was that the last time? And it's not like I'm buying a pork shoulder every week.

1:20:50OK, this is this is anyway, guys, I'm in a pickle. I'm not in a pickle. I'm fine. But who said I'm going to pick? That's pretty cool. It was an English writer.

1:21:03Marques Brownlee:Yes, an English writer from England. Name an English writer. Does spelling count? No. Get it, Andrew. It's pretty easy to spell Harry Kane. I don't know what you're talking about. World Cup joke! He's an author with his foot. He writes foot poetry. Did you see him trying to talk after that game? He had, like, no voice. That was pretty awesome. Although I wanted Mexico to win. I'm so excited to see what you guys wrote. I don't know any authors. J.J. Abrams. You guys wrote the same one. That is interesting. That's the only... Literally the only thing I can think of. There's one other one. C.S. Lewis, J.R.R.

1:21:44Tolkien. There's plenty of people who are English writers.

1:21:48Marques Brownlee:Marquez wrote J.J. Abrams. Is he English? I was trying to think of an author, and I was like, there's one that has a J something something. He's a movie director. I know this isn't an author. I couldn't think of J.R.R. whatever. Bumblebee came down and said, I'm in a pickle, guys. Is this right? That is correct. I'm in a pickle is a Shakespearean turn of phrase is from the play called... Romeo and... I'm in a pickle. Hamlet. Also, no, it's from The Tempest. Nobody knows about that. And he used it in a slightly different way. He's like a three-hit wonder. He used it in a different way? Was he physically in a pickle?

1:22:30Slightly different way. He used it to say... Here, I can read you the exact quote. Thou art in thy pickle. And Trinculo is reeling ripe. Where should they find this grand liquor that hath gilded them? How canest thou in this pickle? Then Trinculo responds, I have been in such a pickle since I saw you last. I fear me will never out of my bones. I shall not fear fly blowing. Which is Shakespearean English for saying I drank so much alcohol that if I were to die, my body would be preserved and the flies could not grow maggots on it. Yo, that's fire. Holy ****. This guy's good. This guy's good.

1:23:12Marques Brownlee:When you first read it, I was like, this is kind of trash. But now that you said the way it is today, that's pretty good. Now that you translated it for me. The fact that Marquez said he's a three-hit wonder. I heard that. Name four Shakespeare things. Tempest. Hamlet, Hamlet, Hamlet. Romeo and Juliet. That's the other one. And the Tempest. King Jordan. What's the... Wait, wow. I guess I can't name a four. Transformers. It's okay to be a 3-Head Wonder. That's cool. It's Summer Night's Dream. Boom. Four. Dude, before they had TikTok, people got good at stuff. It was crazy. Dude, before TikTok, people had hobbies.

1:23:49It's crazy. Yeah, like writing. I know. What's a hobby? I don't know. Wait, this reminds me of something I want to tell you. So, you know the phrase, don't cry over spilled milk? That's from Frankenstein. It's actually from Frankenstein's monster. That's the thing. No. I don't think Frankenstein's monster said that. I don't think Frankenstein's monster said that. Anyway.

1:24:16Marques Brownlee:It was Final Jeopardy like two days ago. I was like, actually, it's Frankenstein's monster. The actual phrase is the milk that is spilled cries not out afterwards. That's also a bar. I like that. Good job, Mary Shelley. I know. Alright, let's dumb this down a bit. The LG G7 ThinkQ launched with what version of Android? Hemoglobin ID. Thou veins will run through doubt camera. Thou will twist thou palm. Android 17 today. Are we on 17?

1:25:01Quick update on the score while you guys write the answers. Marques with 32. Andrew with 28 David with 33 Flip him and read What do you got?

1:25:14Marques Brownlee:No shot you're both right again This would be so tough Terrible for the program I was actually thinking 9 but 10 Andrew and I both wrote 10 You both wrote 10? Yeah Is it 9? I said 11 Is it 9? Android Oreo 8.0 8.0 Oh wow I'm glad I was Wrong either way Yeah I'm glad I was more wrong I am more happy about you being wrong Than I am mad about me being wrong Yeah It's not That's too great for our reputation It's that other shit I just wouldn't have been able to What year was it? Two points Uh So 11 2018 That's why I was reading 19 Both were It was 8 It was 8 not 11 Oh 2018. I remember that because literally everything in my entire life happened in 2018.

1:26:10For some reason. You were born in 2018? Dude. Nine years ago? I broke my foot on the green wall in China in 2018. So I.O. would have been right after? Just like the Mongols. Wait, so you knew the year, you just counted wrong.

1:26:23Marques Brownlee:I didn't count at all. I just guessed. I was distracted trying to do math, and I didn't do it well. I was trying to do math, but then I realized the math was my one hand has five fingers and my other hand has three and it was taking a long time to put them together. Yeah. I was trying to remember because Google had me do like a they gave me like an inside scoop about getting rid of the names of Android and just switching to 10. I did a whole like video thing about why they were doing it and I just remember the Airbnb that I was staying in and I thought it was around 2018. That? Wow. The uh. It's called complex reasoning.

1:26:56That's some AI level inferencing. Some Opus

1:27:00Marques Brownlee:4.9 kind of. that's back when you can add a software notch to your phone remember that what good old days phones would have either a notch or you could like cancel the entire top god with software yeah that's a that's a throwback anyway well we'll end the nostalgia because clearly nostalgia is bad um thank you for watching thank you for listening hopefully uh if you missed the mime section you come back to the video version so you can appreciate that. Oh! Until next week, see you later. Goodbye. Peace. I'm in a box. I escaped the box. We're part of the Vox Media Podcast Network, and our music was created by Vane Still.

1:27:47Marques Brownlee:Bingo!

1:27:58All right.

1:28:01Yo, what is up, people of the internet? I sniffed really bad when you started. I'm going to save Ellis from fixing that one later.