Nothing's First Flagship!

31:59Seems off limits to me, I would say. There is not much. Okay. Here we go. Here we go. Ready? I'm ready. The MacBook, this is going to sound crazy. The MacBook has been touch first for a very long time. And I mean that not to say that there is a touchscreen in the MacBook, but macOS is so, so, so optimized for a trackpad. There are so many different ways to interact with this computer with one to four fingers. And you know from the way Apple's design team operates, Like they really do think about a physical connection between your body and the computer when it comes to designing Mac OS. Ergo, a lot of that has ended up in iPad OS since you can use a trackpad with it.

32:46Right? Pinch to zoom. Four-finger swipe. Now you got this new Windows system. And a free-floating mouse. So I thought you could get between full-screen apps with a four-finger swipe on iPad OS. That's actually a swipe from the bottom bar. On iPad OS? Yeah. Okay. See, but there are similarities. There are things that they've brought over. And I don't think it would be too much of a stretch to make iPadOS just as functional if you lock it in a trackpad. The MacBook requires more precision mousing. And that's why the iPad, especially with the new pointer on the iPad, it sort of enlarges the elements a little bit.

33:22The previous version where it was a fake circle mouse, it would just like snap to it. But David, keyword, it's not the MacBook that needs precision. It's macOS. Yeah. I would be doubtful. But it's also 13 inches. But why? It's the same as the Air. I know, but why would Apple ever kneecap a full macOS product by giving it an A18 Pro, which would struggle with so many tasks? It wouldn't really struggle. I know. Yeah, I think we're looking at two directly, like, diametrically opposed philosophies, which is, one, the A chips and the iPhone are meant to run iOS. and a MacBook by name is meant to run macOS.

34:04So we kind of, that's why it's weird to see A chip in MacBook. And so we're trying to figure out, are they going to make this more of a Mac or more of an iPhone slash iPad because of the internals? Now, if it's a Mac, if it's a 12-inch Mac or a 13-inch Mac, whatever, it has to run macOS and it has to not have a touchscreen. so is the point of running the a18 chip to be extremely power efficient and we can already make a billion of these chips for no money and this is going to be like the ultra lightweight you know netbook of 2025 is that what we're i think it's just like they need an even lower end computer to sell to compete with even lower end computer because at this point like the cheap the cheapest macbook air the 999 macbook air that we have yeah is a pretty competent computer for At this point.

34:54And so if you're Apple and you're like, you know what we could do? We could offer a$600 computer laptop. I mean, that would be crazy. Which would be awesome for getting people into macOS and being an entry point for the whole thing. Then I could see, in my world, I would go, okay, put an M1 chip in there. You can make a thousand of those for no money. But going all the way to the A chip feels like they're building, you know, the price ladders where they're like, here, you could buy the super cheap ultra lightweight machine. For sure. It's barely able to do what you want it to do, so you might as well get a MacBook Air.

35:24That's what it feels like. How would they communicate that to people, though? How would they communicate? Obviously, they could communicate, like, this is a bottom-tier MacBook, but for the average person who would see M4, M5, whatever we're on when this comes out, and then would also see A18 Pro, would they know that that's the chip from the iPhone? Yeah, that would have to be Apple messaging that this computer is extremely thin and light. It's called iMessage, actually. They would have to show the world and demo to people that this is the thinnest and lightest machine available. I mean, obviously, there's going to be no fans.

35:59An A18 chip runs on a tiny phone this big. So the whole PCB only has to be that big, plus some batteries. I mean, this is something that's actually the thing about battery consumption. Yeah, this thing could be all battery. This thing could last for so long. But that's not the Apple way. The Apple way is give it all day battery life and give it the thinnest amount of battery you possibly can. This could be the thinnest laptop ever, guys. That's true. it could be a thinner this will not be the computer to run chrome on no no i don't know i think it's just money so i i think it's like it could be 700 or 800 dollars and then probably 800 and then they could have some benefits they could say it has better battery life it's a little less powerful so you're not going to be doing like heavy stuff but if you're just like a lot less writing notes you need something that you want to like throw around with you bring around with you you on an ipad i don't know i apple is trying to make every price tier possible with like every product possible and they already have that with the ipad they have the cheap ipads they have the mid-tier and they have the expensive ones with the macbook they have the really expensive ones and they have the like really good value ones like the macbook air is insanely good value for what it is but they don't have the like oh i have very little money to spend on my new computer i'm a broke college student you know that kind of yeah like the cheapest desktop mac the mac mini is a good deal it was like 599 to start i think for students maybe five or six 99 yeah if they had a laptop at that price too right then that would be a nice entry point for a laptop yeah as a student i would never want a desktop right yeah so that's yeah it's an interesting idea and they probably have a ton of a18 bionic chips left over but don't they have a ton of m1 chips too that's yeah probably but again I don't know like they make M1 iPads yeah already maybe they don't have as many M1 chips left over because they're putting them in the iPads maybe I think this is so they can sell 900 of them to schools that's a great that's a great point because Chromebooks also yeah if they make them cheap enough they could probably convince schools to go MacBook over Chromebook that is a very big market for google so true and if as long as you get kids indoctrinated chromebooks are really cheap though they are chromebooks that schools are buying are like yeah like two three hundred not six hundred yeah for sure so i mean they might give them some sort of subsidy because to them like it's user acquisition right like it's a user acquisition cost of a four-year-old they seem really into that because they've got teenagers locked up in america they might as well start going use apple now like hey i message for the six-year-olds you've already got your apple watch you're really into that yeah so i just want to lay the future ellis prediction for that'll come and bite me later but i do not think if this computer ships it is going to ship with a full unmodified mac os i don't know if it'll be like ipad os for max if they call it that i'm gonna laugh that'd be insane but i really i i just really don't yeah i do think it would be very confusing if they do.

38:59I think they will. Are you going to download Final Cut Pro on this thing? No. If they did, you'd get a bunch of pop-up windows that were like, sorry, this application can only be opened. And people are going to freak out because no one who would consider buying this computer overlaps with the people who know what the A18 Pro is. Unless it can only open Safari. Counterpoint. The A18 Pro is probably faster than like the i7 macbook from a number of years ago do you think so m1 would be i just don't know about the a18 it's so small yeah i don't know about a18 i i have the specs up right here does run at four gigahertz which is not nothing it's well it's those those chips are supposed to run in phones it's such a low power draw that i yeah maybe if they're like supposed to run with way more power they can actually do these i mean things but imagine a laptop that lasts like a week i mean i love the idea yeah i just don't think that's on apple's radar lower power lower yeah it doesn't do as much but it lasts a week i mean that would be amazing that sounds great to me sounds good to me can you i don't know enough about chips can you benchmark an 18 pro against an m1 yeah are they too fundamentally different to like actually benchmark you can use the same benchmarks yeah and you they have such different memory yeah they like they both use swap memory I don't know yeah you wouldn't I mean we've never seen an A chip run Mac apps so it's like they won't be the same application but I can run Geekbench on both and have it do like some similar things and that gives you a sort of sense of what it's capable of but like yeah the iPhone is not meant to do running these apps on the Mac which is why it's very hard to say I don't want to know moving on to nothing it always hits when we get to say that yeah it's really never going to get old yeah I'm really glad we have nothing to talk about today yeah so nothing nothing has thank you nothing has unveiled two new things uh we can talk about either one of them first they unveiled first the nothing headphone one headphone one and the nothing phone three i've reviewed the nothing headphone one so if you're watching this and you haven't already seen the full review go check that out the video is on the main channel we are showing you both of the versions here i have the dark ones in my hand I reviewed the light ones.

41:19People thought I was maybe compromised or hurt or forced to do that, but I just think they look better on camera, so I use the light ones. But if I had to buy a pair, I think these black ones look pretty good. Question number one, I guess we'll start with the headphones since we've got them here. Yeah, headphone one. Let's go around the room. Okay. Ugly or not ugly? I think pretty decent looking headphones. When you get them in your hands, they're unique. When you put them on your head, especially the dark ones, I think they look pretty decent. I think they look better in person than they do online.

41:51Agreed. I have some hot takes. I do think that the shape of the plastic piece on the sides should be the same curvature as the actual headphone like squircle thing. I think that would look better. I agree. Like the corner radius is just like weird. It's just weird having two different shapes inset into each other. And then the other thing is that they used like plastic to cover it i think if they'd been able to use like glass that didn't shatter in some way glass yeah i don't know the plastic it just gets oily and gets fingerprints on it easily and it looks a little bit cheap yeah david and i noticed this morning the black black one especially very fingerprinty yeah yeah and it kind of just takes away from the premium look of the of the aluminum on the headphones so do you think they're ugly no i like the way they look just like men's warehouse indecisive Adam I'm so indecisive on these I'm so torn because I feel like when I'm looking at them I like the way they look and then I picture myself wearing them and I'm like I don't know they're a little too out there for me story time I was in London yesterday and I was wearing them at a cafe and a woman came up to me the barista at the cafe she came up to me and she goes excuse me I just we keep talking about your headphones like behind the bar like what are they they look so cool that's what they want that's straight from an ad literally You're living in another.

43:13It literally happened. That is why they are designed this way. And I don't know if I want that experience. I don't want to have to explain to people what my cool headphones are. Well, which is probably why you get the black ones, right? Yeah. Yeah. So I tested the light ones. And I got this question a lot. Like, Marquez, how did you test them on an airplane if you're not allowed to show them to people? Oh, we had to. I just had to do it. I just had to trust that nobody would do anything. Do it. I tested the light ones. Yeah. And I think the thing about flying with headphones is the headphones are supposed to be, at least in part, a statement of probably don't talk to me right now.

43:51Yeah. I'm wearing headphones. Right. And if your headphones are a conversation starter, it does the exact opposite. So that's something to keep in mind. Nobody came up to me, though, and asked. Were you wearing the light ones when that happened? Yeah. Yeah. Nobody came up to me and asked me about the headphones. I think the light ones are going to catch a lot more attention. They definitely do catch more attention. but the other thing about them is uh and we haven't even talked about how they sound yet but i think they are built very well yeah they feel great they're comfortable they're a little bit heavier than your all plastic headphones your boses your sony's but maybe like 10 to 15 percent and you do notice that on the ear cups because that's the metal that you're holding but they're really well built solid feel too heavy on the head like they are they're the band is light i I like the texture of the soft touch everywhere is really nice.

44:38The padding that touches the very top of the ear head is nice. I just hate that they don't fold. Yeah. So they don't fold down. They basically rotate. They rotate. The ear cups rotate. They do rotate the correct way, which I will give them credit for, instead of rotating backwards like Sony used to. Now, there is a bunch of buttons on them. A bunch of buttons. Physical controls. Yeah. So they made a big deal about the fact that they sort of wanted to make them more intuitive to use than other headphones, which I thought was a bit of a stretch. Yeah. I didn't get to use these for more than like five minutes.

45:12So like as you guys actually used them, did you think they were actually intuitive? Did you have to remap your wiring in your brain? A little. I love the controls. Yeah. So let's talk about the controls. There's this one wheel on one of the sides that looks like a little pill. And you can turn it up and down to have the volume go up and down. and there's this nice little click sound that kind of like, it's great. Like a scrolling sound. It's cool. You can tap that in to do playback, to do play or pause. And then you can hold it for the assistant. No, hold is A and C on or off. A and C on or off.

45:44For that? Right, sorry. Yeah. And it makes this. Yeah, it's really weird. Which is so weird. It is what it is. And then they have this paddle on the side. Yeah. You want to talk about the paddle? The paddle, you can also reach and just quickly identify without being able to see it. It's a forward or backward track, or you can hold it down to fast forward or hold it back to rewind. It works exactly as intended in Apple Music, and it works kind of in chunks in some other apps, but still very easy to go next track or previous track. I think that the worst button on these headphones is that there is a Bluetooth pairing button that is very, very, very hidden.

46:20I don't mind that one. Next to the ear cup. And I understand that you probably use that less than any other button on the headphones so it makes sense to not make it prominent but I was trying to connect these to the NothingX app for like hours and I literally I was like they're not how do you put them in pairing mode I do not understand in the box when you take them out of the box the box just says open open the box and press the pairing button but I couldn't find it anywhere oh it is subtle is I think very good that you can't accidentally press it I think that's why It's designed like flush like that.

46:54Yeah. So, and then the last button is on the outside of the right ear cup is just a single button that you can remap with the Nothing X app to do whatever. So by default, that just does the assistant on your phone. You can also map that to the essential space or to, or you can do a long press as well to do something else. I kept forgetting this was a real button. Yeah. Wait, so it does go, you can map it to the essential space? Yeah. And then it would take a voice note? Yes. Yeah. From the mic on the headphones. You can basically talk to it a bunch, and then the Essential Space will, like, AI summarize what you talked to it about.

47:24Can you, like, save notes and to-do lists and stuff like that? Well, you can save notes to the Essential Space. Yeah, there's a limited amount of things. You can't do, like, whatever you want with this button, but you can do several different things in the Essential Space. And obviously that's only if you're using it with a nothing phone that has the Essential Space feature. Yeah. But otherwise it, like, triggers the assistant and stuff, which is annoying. Listen, I'm always here for more remammable buttons. yeah i'm here for it yeah uh they are co-designed by k not keh kf sound by kef which it says in text on the outside of the headphones oh wow yeah um i have never actually used any other kef products but i did snipe that there is one other set of active noise cancelling headphones on their website yeah the rest is mostly speakers a lot of you guys were telling me about kef in the comments I bought the headphones you bought them I bought them so I own the KEF MU7s yeah and they're fine very generic very generic headphones a lot of passive noise isolation plus ANC which is also similar to these nothing headphones that's their thing yeah that'll bring us into the sound of these I think these sound like mixing headphones a little bit what does that mean it means that they're well okay okay yeah tell Ellis yeah yeah tell what do you consider the ones we were wearing right now.

48:46Just finish your thought. The M50s? Aren't they mixing headphones? Not technically, no. But they're flat enough. They're good enough for us. What I mean by that is that the sound signature is very flat. Like, it doesn't feel like very heavy in any of the specific frequencies, like heavy in the bass, heavy in the treble, bids, whatever. There's an app where you can, you know, there's an equalizer app in the nothing X app. And like, I've messed around with that but it never really felt sort of like i don't know it felt pretty flat to me and they sound fine but i feel like they could sound better like uh like beats sound like would you prefer that i haven't really listened you mean really bassy yeah like more bass no i mean annoyingly i just really like the airpods pro they just sound really oh yeah really good that's cheating though i yeah well yeah but and i understand that these are over ear headphones so they're different and I haven't really used AirPods Max extensively.

49:44I can compare them. So I've used a bunch. Yeah, I've used Sony's for a while. I've used AirPods Max quite a bit. And like I said, I flew with these. These, noise cancellation-wise, are like a 7 out of 10, maybe an 8. They have really good passive isolation, which I noticed. And then when you turn on ANC, they sound great. But with loud white noise like an airplane, it was still getting through. That's what I noticed too. The Sony's would just completely block. that stuff out yeah uh so that's why i'm putting up like a 7 or 8 out of 10 with anc and then the sound quality itself the way it's balanced it's a little bassier for me it's a little more fun sounding a little more v-shaped to me uh i thought it sounded totally fine yeah uh and it was great for podcast music whatever i had no issues with it i also played a tiny bit with the equalizer you can jack up your sound with the equalizer and i was kind of just playing a little bit with the frequencies i mean you just reviewed the sony m6s xm6s are incredible they're a lot better they are better so here's the way i ended the video the m6s are better in every dimension you'd buy headphones for they sound better they have better anc they're lighter more comfortable you can wear them for longer longer battery life better case everything's better about them but are they 150 better because nothing is only i say only they're charging 300 for these headphones yeah which in the world of$300 headphones this is about par like the metal is above average build quality like the ANC is about right like these are these are solid$300 headphones yeah the Sony's are$450 new jacking the price of that so if you're gonna compare those two like yes the Sony's are better but I think you could argue the nothing ones are a better deal yeah where it gets interesting is if you have an older pair of like the mark threes or mark fours from Sony then it's like you're playing in the same price range then it's just like do you prefer the design here do you prefer controls here also the sony's go on sale for a hundred dollars like every single holiday yeah so i prefer the physical controls on the nothing i prefer the build quality of the nothing and i actually like the design of the nothing headphones yeah yeah that's what i like how do i pair these the pairing button so you got to turn them on my freaking point so on the right ear cup there's a flip switch to turn on from uh we're on and then you hold down the bluetooth button on the inside of the left ear cup.

52:00I didn't even find that button. That's what I'm saying. It took me like an hour. For like three seconds. I would have never found that. No, I just realized because you guys have been having these for the past few weeks, I haven't actually heard them. So I'll let you know how mixing headphones. Do you want to just connect them to my phone that they're already connected to? Alright, so we're getting a live Ellis headphone sound test. Let's do this, boys. If you ever see me, I have no idea if I'm an ANC or not. Wait, Ellis, these white ones look really dope. Oh, you'll know. It'll breathe into your ear.

52:25They look really dumb on you? No, really dope. they do look good i think they're really good um if you ever see me using the built-in eq on a pair headphones know that uh it's that's your cry for help no no it's literally not me it's like some sort of secret agent that's impersonating me and you need to kill him as soon as possible if these are not mixer like mixing headphones like what would these be considered these headphones these are just consumer i mean these are gonna try to compete with wearing beats these yeah these are also consumer headphones, but in the genre of... Are they much flatter to allow for more...

53:00Yeah, because mixing headphones are like... are soulless, like blank EQ. That's what I thought these were. These aren't quite that flat. They're still flatter than average. It's a spectrum. These have a little more face. There's beats on one end and there's the Sony MDR headphones on the other end and these are closer to that, but it's not like blank. Right. Okay. Ellis has got a face as he listens to his headphones. He's impressed. A little bit of a nod. Interesting. He's streaming Bluetooth music to the headphones. The best headphones I've listened to the new Streetlight Manifesto tracks are on Do you think he's listening to YouTube or Coldplay right now?

53:37What's the difference? Same thing. They do look really good. He's switching tracks again. He's moving to another music track. I'm sorry, this is so much fun to watch right now. No, we're narrating what you're doing. It's great. Yeah. I do think they're good looking headphones. I just used them on the plane this morning. and I do think that the ANC is good in the high end mids but the low end ANC like doesn't work at all like I had it on high and it was just like wait so you could still hear like the airplane the droning of the airplane oh interesting usually it's in reverse like it usually is really good at taking out those drums I know that's what was weird like there was no yeah I couldn't hear anything and when people talk to me I can't hear it but the actual sound of the airplane the like low hum I could hear like very I think I think I think my distinguishing, my observation was the exact same, but I thought it was volume-based.

54:27I think it's just the plane is so loud that it was just, the floor is just a little bit above zero. Yeah, but when I use other headphones, like, it cuts it. Right. So I'm saying these, the ANC in these is not strong enough to cancel the loudness of the plane, no matter what frequency it is. Maybe. But when people talk, it's not going to be loud enough. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah. Ellis is still going. So should we move on to the phone while he finishes testing? Sure. Yeah. We'll move on to the phone. the phone yeah i don't know man that's about right for the headphones that's how i felt my review i don't know man i don't know man i am so like the worst person to ask about headphones um that's not true it is it is true unfortunately it's just because i really just feel like it's whatever you like the best is always gonna be the best okay but what i think about these is that things that i really appreciate um sub bass like all headphones is not awesome that you don't really even perceive those frequencies with your ears.

55:25So like headphones would not be able to reproduce them anyway. You don't feel it in your chest. You do feel it in your chest. With those headphones, I mean. No, yeah, yeah. I listen to headphones like this. I was going to say, if you had some sort of like bizarre like try. Anyway, so. Oh, wait, to that point, really quick, to kind of loop into what we were talking about earlier. Oh, while I had ANSI on it. No, no, no, no. From like the beginning of the pod. That CES demo that I tried with the haptic thing, it was, that was the use case. It was you can listen to music and if you have the little thing, you would get the sub pack.

55:54It was the sub pack. Yeah. That's. I know people that swear by those. It was cool. It just was a gimmick. I was like, okay. You know who swears by the sub pack or at least did during COVID? Who? Timbaland. He also does like AI artists instead of real artists. You ever heard a song that was like. No.

56:16That was Timbaland. That's literally every Timbaland song. and I love him. Sorry to cut you off. Continue. Like bass bass, not sub bass is good. I like that it's low distortion. I can hear some details in it. The mids also low distortion for headphones in this price range, which I think is pretty cool. That's like a big thing for me at headphones. The highs are dog water on these things. Don't expect to hear a single detail in like any of the music you listen to. They're not particularly even. They don't have good stereo imaging, which is like not uncommon for wireless headphones. uh what else um i guess those are some bad things that i accidentally put in the good things list yeah no they're but they were comfortable they're unbelievably comfortable yeah i love how deep the cups are i love the material the foam is made out of i love watching it return to form slowly like a tempur-pedic pillow i had to ask if the ear cups were replaceable because as hard as i tried it didn't feel like i could take them off yeah the response that i got was technically they are removable however it is very difficult and we're not selling replacement cups yet so basically not removable so in six months when these have all my summer sweat yeah destroyed them something to think about I really do hope that they start selling your cups or making it easier because I do want them to be replaceable yeah I would say as far as Ellis's sound man opinion on these headphones is that unless you are someone That was a cloud lifter falling onto the ground.

57:45Unless you are someone who has like one ultra specific thing that you want in a headphone. Like I want amazing high end clarity. I want as little distortion in the mids as possible. I want noise canceling that works exactly like this. I would say almost any over the year headphone you buy is going to be about the same. Like we're talking like a pretty small Delta. And they're all trash. That's kind of how I feel. It's just like all headphones are bad. You just got to pick the one that is bad in a way that you enjoy. Enjoy. And if you really want amazing sounding headphones, they're called speakers.

58:24Well, they had one more feature that I don't understand that they talked about a lot and I still don't understand. And it's called Channel Hop. Did they talk to you about this? They did not. Yeah. So they have this feature called Channel Hop. And the idea is that you can set up a number of different audio apps on your phone. and you can just use the paddle to just jump between the audio apps and they were like yeah so if you're listening to one thing on spotify and then you want to listen to another thing on apple music you just flip the paddle and then suddenly you're listening on apple music and i'm like wait what what wait why would i ios already does that why would i want to it's literally called it's a feature that they have in it and they talked a lot about it i would just open my phone at that point that's kind of i don't understand wait does it can i plug it wait yeah David and I were really trying to figure this out earlier if you can figure out why this is useful that would be helpful to me I don't know I don't really get it if anyone gets it let me know we're getting Carl played right now I would say watch the full review I've had them for a week we go into way more detail the other thing we can talk about is the phone itself the Nothing Phone 3 this one we don't have as much detail to talk about because it's gotten announced and we've gotten specs and we've gotten features I got to play with it a bunch you got to play with it and I have footage so we have some thoughts but obviously the review is not out yet it is coming soon yeah um I will again go around the table is this thing ugly no David says no I think it looks great I say yes Adam says yes I haven't seen it yet Ellis hasn't seen it yet perfect I'm gonna pull it up time breaker I think yes it is ugly it's so good looking nothing phone 3 I think all of their phones I'm gonna turn my monitor to Ellis right now and let's get his reaction and get a live reaction is this to you an ugly phone what what it looks great dude that looks like like first generation dolly render it's like a teenage like it looks nonsense it looks like nonsense so i'm gonna go with ugly yeah i think this is a polarizing phone where one third of people will go oh this is kind of neat and two thirds of people go that's kind of wonky there is a screen on the back a 25 by 25 pixel glyph matrix.

1:00:38They've gotten rid of the normal lights they had on the back of the phone before. This is a$799 quote flagship phone, but without a flagship chip. It's a Snapdragon 8S Gen 4. It is a plastic bag, triple 50 megapixel cameras. Actually, I don't know if it's a plastic bag. I think it's Gorilla Glass bag, but triple 50 megapixel cameras on the back and a 50 megapixel selfie camera. Silicon carbon battery, 5 ,100 milliamp hour battery, fast charging. Just a a bunch of things going on with this phone but the aesthetics are the thing that is hard to get over at the beginning yeah uh yeah i think it looks great i feel like all of nothing's phones are beautiful i think this phone in particular is like not the prettiest one because i mean of the asymmetry of the cameras now that has thrown me off now that i've looked at it for a little bit this is the best looking phone of this one more disagree yeah it's it's bold the 3a is the best Did you slip you$50 under the table to say that?

1:01:36The 3A. Oh, the Nothing 3A? Yeah, I mean, that's a good looking phone. It was beautiful. Look, I'm into stuff that doesn't look good. You think the Nothing 3A? It looks good because it's weird. Is that the gray one? Do you think the Nothing 3A is the 3A? Yeah, that phone is beautiful. That phone looks great. Okay, here's what is... I can't reach the wrong button from here. Here's what is unique and I think is why the cameras look the way they do. The Periscope camera, these phones that all have Periscope cameras have large camera bumps because they have large sensors and large optics arrays that cause this Z-axis depth off of the back of the phone.

1:02:13This phone doesn't really have a huge camera bump. It does have like camera rings, kind of like a Samsung phone. But with this big periscope camera, they actually punched that through the PCB so that instead of the whole thing being on one side and stacked on top of the PCB, they've like punched the element through the PCB. So there is no camera bump, but there are small camera rings instead. That is the thing that they are proud of. The downside is it's just not aligned in any axis with any of the other cameras. So it's kind of a weird blob. But, counterpoint, it has like a counterweight on the side of it.

1:02:51But it's the same color as the rest of the phone. Yeah. Yeah. If they had made the counterweight thing a different color, I think it would have looked more even. Because technically, the pieces in the top are subdivided into like three boxes. And technically, that camera does fit inside the box with the counterweight part. And it does fit kind of evenly there. Yeah. The counterweight had been slightly different color. I think it would have looked more even. Fair. Yeah. But it doesn't. Well, I still think it looks great. Okay. All of this and it was just the aesthetics. Yeah. Yeah. So they got rid of the famous glyphs that nothing has always had, but they added.

1:03:29Kind of. Well, they added a thing called the glyph matrix. Yeah. It just got moved into there. Yeah. It's a tiny screen on the back. Yeah. It would have been nice if they had both because the glyph was like a, I mean, that was the key part of the nothing phone. and I also wish that they had just updated the glyphs to be able to do like multiple colors or whatever, just like the Nexus 6 when I jailbroke it. Damn. Yeah. But now this glyph matrix has a number of things that they call glyph toys. Genius. Which is a weird way. I love it. It's a weird name. I don't like that. It's so good. I don't. You don't have to name everything, guys.

1:04:02Yes, you do. If Apple could do it, by God, nothing can do it. Yeah. Yeah. But basically it's this little tiny, it's this tiny diode grid. and you can do a number of different things on it. They have a number of different apps built in. So far, they have a bubble level, which can be kind of helpful, I guess. They have a digital clock, so in like a stopwatch clock that's pretty good looking. And a regular clock. That's cool. And a regular clock to show you the time. They have a battery indicator that shows you the battery percentage as well as a drain sort of level thing. They have the Mirror app, which basically gives you a little subdivided grid.

1:04:39yeah do we think that's gonna work it i've used at the event and it worked it because i just used the computer version of it yeah and i'm in a very well lit room right now oh does it look great no but you can tell where you are that is pretty much you know i know i you actually can't from from no that is basically so it's not technically okay so it's basically a viewport for the main camera because you can there's a uh it's not capacitive it's a button on the back of the phone there's a pressure sensitive pressure sensitive button that you use to interact with the toys I hate that sentence I really I'm an adult that's why you need fun in your life that's why they're called toys you can play spin the bottle and rock yeah okay so there's also spin the bottle and I just have to this is really funny because I don't think Carl Payne knows what spin the bottles for did he definitely I think uh 100 % during the he knows but he knows but it was at the event they were like they had a little video and they showed these four friends like eating like eating dinner and they're like it's time to pay the bill let's well no they were like let's play spin the bottle and then it was like they were panicking oh no who's it who's it gonna land on it was like is this about to get weird and then they were like oh guess you have to pay the bill and i was like ah okay oh that's what spin the bottle is for listen it took someone like five minutes to code this just so they could do that in the keynote and i think totally worth it no for sure someone five minutes to code this just so nothing phone users could call everyone else kissless virgins they had they have a solar clock which is pretty cool it shows like a horizon and it shows where the sun is in the sky which is pretty cool i like that um they have rock paper scissors so you can play against your phone um i famously have won multiple times against my against the phone at the at the demo unit station which is cool i also played my phone the phone i was using at the demo station versus the phone that a friend of mine was using at the demo station and I won multiple times, which is also cool.

1:06:36Did you tweet that six years ago? No. But they also have a Magic 8-Ball and the Magic 8-Ball one is funny. That's awesome. It shows up and then you shake the phone like a Magic 8-Ball and then it does the bubbly thing and then it shows you the answer like better luck next time or whatever. But it uses the gyroscope and the vibration motor and so as you rotate the phone, the thank you or better luck next time moves around and you can feel it sort of vibrating. It's just like the nothing dynamic island. Even worse. It's worse? No, this is way less useful. Yeah, but only because they're the ones that made the 20 or so apps that are on it.

1:07:13Yeah, that's my question. They have an APK, yes. Yeah, exactly. They have an open APK. API. API. Yeah, sorry, API. Yeah. So, because now, at this point, with the phone just coming out, this is, for me, firmly in gimmick territory. Oh, yeah. But what if, like, Flighty came to Android, got crazy idea i know but and then on the back of your phone you could see like oh flight well here's a problem i have with it is that you know like app developers need to put it's hard when these companies like it's really difficult when these companies introduce some new gimmick and they're like there's an open api but then literally the next generation they just get rid of it that's true so the glyphs i don't know how many people are going to develop for it because again who knows if they're going to keep it that's kind of the awkward thing yeah you need a company to really be like this is our new direction we're doing this for at least four generations you can develop for it you know because razor has famously done this too where they like come out with a laptop with some new crazy feature and they're like open api developers come on and then the next year they just get rid of it what's the matter developers don't you love developing yeah come on don't you love like spending a lot of a small audience you know a lot of uh tech enthusiasts even like myself and reviewers, we want constant improvement and we want things to get better.

1:08:29So when I see something like a hole punch cut out for a selfie camera and face ID and then Apple makes dynamic island around it, I go, oh, okay, this is a nice way of making up for this technology that's not ready to go fully under the screen yet. But I expect that dynamic island and that hole punch to get smaller every year until it's gone. and Apple even though you could argue it's stagnant or whatever to their credit developers will develop something for Dynamic Island and there will be years of phones with the same Dynamic Island so they can at least count on it like working well with all these there are also reaching like billions of people whereas nothing with a single version of the nothing phone you just don't know like you said you don't know if it's going to last a long time so anyway I mean it's cool it's gimmicky it's fun if you're going to develop like a fun little app for it then I think that's dope.

1:09:23But yeah besides that there's just like on a previous nothing phone there's that small little red square. Little red light. This time it's actually a light. It's a record light. And I think that you said that I think we might have said that in the last video of the phone that had that that it would be cool if it was functional. I don't know maybe we didn't. I'll take credit. I'll take credit. I love that. Umgarak is this true? Umgarak context please. Ah, that never gets old. Yeah, but now when you're recording with the phone, that little square will blink, which is cool. I like that. It's not that bright, so outside, I don't know if you're going to be able to see it, but inside you can, which is nice.

1:10:01They have this new thing called Essential Search, and basically it's a system-wide search similar to the persistent Google search bar, but it's also an LLM using Gemini Nano. Are you losing me, David? Not Gemini Nano, using Gemini. Well, now, okay, so now instead of when you're searching your phone, you can search for an app, you can search for a calendar event or whatever, which is cool. But you can also just say what are the name of Saturn's moons? And it just shows it to you using Gemini Nano. Will it make one up? Probably. Yeah, so it'll just be wrong. Maybe it's not Gemini Nano, it's just Radio Gemini because it requires an internet connection.

1:10:37But it... I don't know, I think it's interesting to not have to have the Gemini app open and you can just... You can now use this search bar for anything that you want to search. But it's cool because they were saying basically that when you use regular Gemini and ask it a question, it tells you way too much information, you know? Whereas this one, it'll just be like, it'll just give you the answers, but very succinctly, it'd be like, oh, the moon's around Jupiter, these things. And then that's kind of it. I know. And it's just, I think it's just a nice little thing to be able to, if you're with your friends, looking up a simple question and it just tells you.

1:11:11No, let me lie to my friends in peace. Yeah, and we also have to talk about the price. we didn't talk about the price $7.99 $7.99 so$7.99 which is has been quite contentious for people on the internet because nothing is used to making the$350 $400 phone yeah remind you of anything I wonder where Carl Pays to work yeah yeah weird yeah so they're calling it their first flagship that's the same price as the Pixel 9 that's the same price as the S25 it's basically the same it's the same price as iPhone 16 so it's basically now they are competing directly yeah it's like all of these major manufacturers they obviously have way more fun features and weird like the the ui is really good and you could actually get kissed with this phone or win rock paper scissors or whatever scissors so yeah i think that's going to be a big uh question mark but uh yeah and so the base price gets you 256 gigs of storage and 12 gigs of ram and then the 512 model which is i think a hundred dollars more yeah gives you 512 gigabytes of storage and 16 gigs of ram so it does give you more ram it is interesting that you know they're playing the flagship space but they technically don't have a flagship chip it's the snapdragon 8s gen 4 instead of the snapdragon 8 elite which is in some of the phones you just talked about at that price the galaxy s25 uh how many people buying these phones care about the chipset versus just deserve the better chipset at that price you know like i think a lot of people buy a car and don't really know about the engine in it but once you spend over a certain amount you deserve to get better parts and better build yeah whether you notice it or an enthusiast or not and i think if you're buying a 799 phone you probably should get a flagship chipset but if you don't notice then maybe it doesn't matter i think you're trading off that for a more interesting design and more interesting ui like yeah i i would personally buy this over a regular s25 like any day of the week because i think the s25 is the most boring phone in history probably also trading cameras i haven't tested any of the cameras yet that's a pure assumption i'm assuming the samsung cameras are better but i don't know uh you're also trading uh well yeah i guess there's the ai button and the essential space on the nothing yeah yes it's more interesting it's more interesting you're trading design and some interesting features for.

1:13:34But then you get the ugliest phone mankind has ever seen. The beautiful phone of the year. Well, you know, there's a bunch of other things about this phone I haven't seen in person yet, and I'm looking forward to testing for the review. It appears to be a big, bright, nice, evenly bezeled AMOLED display, high refresh rate. 4 ,500 nits. Crazy number. Like, I want to see it outside. It appears to be a 5 ,100 plus milliamp hour silicon carbon battery with fast charging. That's some flagship level stuff. I want to see how long that lasts. it is of course nothing os 3.5 on top of android 15 and then it's going to get updated to i think 4.0 on android 16 i i have a lot to test yeah i want to check out this phone so expect the full review coming imminently it is it is for sure going to happen yeah but uh yeah those are those are some first thoughts on nothing phone three and nothing headphone one it's gorge i think so gorge as in gorge my eyes out as in as in gorgetown university it is above the s25 but below the pixel 9 it's striking and beautiful i do think the pixel is striking yes it's look it's the ionic 5n of phones oh that's a take that's maybe ionic 6 but no but the ionic 6 doesn't have the voxels in the same way it was a porsche back yeah it kind of does on the back.

1:14:55No, I'm sticking with five. I'm sticking with five. I like it. Speaking of sticking it with five. What? I'm about to get five more points in trivia. Nice. Damn. I thought you were off the rails there, but you brought it back in. This is a fill in the blank. So finish this sentence. Google Keep is available on Google Play for devices running blank and above. This is from the official announcement post way back in the day when it first came out. Oh, when it first came out. Wait, so this is not current? No, this is not current. Can you say the sentence again? Google Keep is available on Google Play for devices running blank and above.

1:15:40It's an operating system. What are you cooking here? Say the question again. I just did it. Read the whole thing again. Google Keep. No, the whole... Like, finish this sentence? Is that what you said? This is a fill-in-the-blank question. Yeah, it's a fill-in-the-blank question. You said that, right? Yes, yes, yes. Google Keep on saatavilla Google Play sa light teille, joissa on tyhjät ja uudemmat näytöt. That's finish. I don't know what just happened. It's one of the worst dad jokes. I finished the sentence. Oh, my God. We have to take a break. We have to. We'll be back. We'll take a break. I thought that was good.

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1:19:03It's sort of boomer core, you know. Hyper. Hyper knipe. Anyway. Hyper knipe. Yeah. If you have a name, let us know. But I'm going to go through this list and you guys all have to tell me if the thing that I named. Claude gave me an answer that was so close to hype or knife. I was like, no way.

1:19:22You have to tell me if the thing I named is overhyped, underhyped, or perfectly hyped. You get one perfectly hyped to use on this list. There we go. All right. Only one? Only one. All right. First thing, Tyrese Halliburton. Underhyped. How am I supposed to know? Underhyped. You know, we explained it to you last week. Underhyped. He's Waluigi. Is he the guy that broke his leg? Yeah. Towards the killings. Look, look, look, look. I'm going to just make this decision for you guys. There is no way someone gets voted most underrated or overrated player in the NBA and then balls out all the way till June.

1:19:59Like, that is it. Till game seven. By definition, underhyped. Generationally clutch run. We're going to be telling our grandkids about how many clubs are being used. makes him perfectly hyped, right? No, no, no, no, no. I don't know. He literally won a poll of NBA players for being the most overrated player. Everyone was like, everyone thinks this guy is good, he's trash, and then he just showed them all. So I think he has to be given. I love you, Tyrese. I'm with him. Take me to Vegas with you. What does that have to do with technology? It's just so perfectly in this segment that I had to start it off first.

1:20:34Okay, I'm just going to agree with you guys because I don't know any better. All right, nice. So he's under hyped. Under hyped. Tyree. Is that the thing? What? No, that's Kyrie. That's Kyrie. Kyrie! What a reference, though. That's how often we do that in the studio. RDC World 1, come on the pod. Nintendo Switch 2, overhyped or underhyped? Or perfectly hyped? Unbelievably hot take. Oh, no. I kind of think it's overhyped. No, I agree. Actually, my review is going to come out. my review will be out by the time this podcast is out yeah guess who hyped it and i kind of no i kind of agree the the what is the beginning of an essay called the thesis the thesis of my review is the switch 2 and my review of it don't matter it's just the games yeah you're just here to play games welcome to nintendo what game do you want to play get the console that plays that game can the console play the game great can the console not play the game don't get it get the one that to play as a game you care about yep i want to play mario all right get a switch yeah yeah yeah yeah i so i'm coming at it from a person who had a switch oled and i feel like coming from a switch oled it feels really overhyped because i feel like the screen is also true yeah not even as good the bezels the bezels are way bigger i am such a high refresh rate diva loser i i am so torn on the screen like oled looks better obviously yeah but 120 hertz also to my eye for the few games and the few times that i can see it also looks i've just never been like oh i want mario to be 120 hertz that's fair like i it does look amazing on mario kart most of the games are 60 anyway yeah yeah the new mario kart looks like it's an unreal engine game and i think that looks great i think it's cool i think it's kind of so cool weird no it's just it's a little bit like weird to see a Nintendo game and such like high fidelity and like with high refresh rate and all this stuff I mean it's fantastic so I mean I don't know I think there's been all these articles coming out from very reputable people who do very thorough reputable tests so they are smarter than me in this category and they're saying like oh all of the Switch 2 graphics updates are basically remasters and the games look so much better and blah blah blah and I downloaded the graphics update for Breath of the Wild and started playing it.

1:23:01And I'm like, yeah. Yeah, I didn't notice it. I didn't, you know? It's like, oh, the draw distance of the... I'm like, okay. This has never been a thing. That's every console, though. The PS5 came out and they were like, look at this ray tracing. That was even worse. I would need a side-by-side to notice. But Nintendo is the last possible company that this should matter to people about. You know what I mean? It's overrated. yeah yeah i think it's a little bigger screen better chip play more games i think for a lot of people the switch 2 is like the better console because it has a lot better features and as you know it's a bigger screen so you can play it with your kid and you can all see it easier and it's like good you know it's good it's a it's a very can it play switch one games yeah yeah all right great yeah so what was yours alice uh dude i i think i played any switch one or two like maybe one time.

1:23:51I literally wouldn't. But you've seen the hype. I've seen the hype. The hype has been unbelievable, and it's been all me. Nintendo is just like a vehicle for this like, this very indescribable feeling that's somewhere between it's like, no, it's like this feeling that's like somewhere between like holding a newborn puppy and like, and like building a house made of twigs and gingerbread at the same time. I don't know, like and like, I think that was because the only Nintendo, like I had a Game boy or whatever but like the we yeah it was like a huge part of my childhood same and that thing was just like dripping in sauce like yeah every sound it made every visual oh yeah you can hear it without even us playing it you can hear you wanted to leave it open on your tv all day yeah you know and just have the sounds playing to me when i when i picked up a switch one for the first time and the background was gray and there was no music and i was just like what i was like i don't I don't need this.

1:24:51Come on, man. You know that's not what I'm talking about here. They were better on the Switch 1. So yeah, I'm going to go ahead and say overhyped, but I also don't really game like that. I'm not the person to... I'm agreeing. I saw the hype go so far as one of the podcasts I listened to literally named one of their episodes Nintendo Switch 2, Nintendo Switch 2, Nintendo Switch 2. What losers. Insane. Like the hype was crazy. They probably have no talent. yeah it's not one of those basic i i know i don't want to use my appropriately hyped yet because i feel like i might need it later but i do want to say like i don't i don't think anything that anyone that sorry i don't think anything that everyone likes is overhyped you know if everyone likes everyone's happy great everyone's stoked why do we have to come in and rain on everyone's Yeah.

1:25:41Fair take. Yeah. Which is like basically. But also if you use an Android phone, you're a loser. Yeah. No, that basically describes the Nintendo Switch 2, right? Because there's so much stuff online that's so negative about like, oh, it says it's 120, but it's technically this and blah, blah. It's like, are people happy? But this is, again, it's like the whole Nintendo ethos is just like, it's about the games. It's about the joy. It's about the like. I don't know. I can really tell the frames per second when I'm playing Animal Crossing. It's very obvious. Yeah. debt simulator 2025 so I don't know I'm gonna say overhyped and we contributed to that I'm not upset that I bought it you were a Nintendo Switch 2 for like three weeks running yeah but you never said it was good that's true I don't think it's bad this is the other thing I think that the screen's a little bit of a downgrade the bezels are a little big but that's like my only complaint and I don't think it's bad and they had to make something else and they weren't gonna you know nintendo found a winning formula and they made it better and that's about it uh yeah so wait before you read the next one yeah i don't think you're gonna be able to cut out what i said earlier definitely not going to so i didn't mean it it was a joke but speaking of android i love my android friends the next one on the list co-workers i really did not mean that one guys and again my overhyped only means that the level of hype that was absolutely insane that was driven by us um i'm just gonna throw us under the bus as many times as possible do it we deserve it uh i think this was perfectly hyped this is what i would have used my perfectly hype that's fair because everyone that bought it is happy with exactly and i guess that's true there was enough stock everyone who wanted one basically got one yeah there weren't lines out the door and still they sold like three or four million in the first week or something like that like it was something crazy so i think the only thing is that I really miss Nintendo releasing a new console and there's a completely new input paradigm.

1:27:39Like the DS having the second screen that was touched, the Wii having the version controls. What are you talking about? The magnets. The magnets. Anyway, next up, Android tablets. Overhyped, underhyped, or perfectly hyped? Android tablets have little to no hype most of the time from most people, which is appropriate. And I think that they don't deserve any more than they have. So I'm going with exactly correctly hyped. I'm going with exactly correctly hyped too. I'll bite. Okay, all on one. Got rid of those quick. Under hyped. Okay, perfect. You're going under hyped. Going under hyped. Because as the world's biggest hater of Android and Android devices.

1:28:25You wanted to wipe that out of the podcast two minutes ago. Yeah, well, I was rude. I hate Android devices, not the blessed souls who are forced to use them um you know but uh i can't wait till you fall in love with android in like six years i'm gonna play all these back for you please please do man um and then no and then we'll tweet it like here's the deal here's the deal here's the the thing that is really cool about android is that uh every app ever that could possibly be conceived has already been written and deployed on the Google Play Store. So as like a daily driver, this is my cell phone operating system.

1:29:06Not a fan. As I have a very specific use case that involves a wireless network and some function I need to perform and it needs to fit in a small box and I know it needs to be reliable, Android works really well, which is why I have a big stack of Android phones in my apartment for when I need to run a small media server that does not need a lot of bandwidth, for when I need to set up an NDI camera rig at a gig, for when I, you know, for all sorts of, like, various computer-y things. They're super useful for that. And so, as I've been seeing you with your Galaxy A10 Ultra tab? S10 Ultra. Thank you.

1:29:49As I've been seeing you with your tab get around your life and using it, And every time I see you, I think that's pretty sweet. And it looks like it works really well, except for the fact that we couldn't figure out how to mute it. Yeah. Last episode. That was pretty. I literally had to put on dude at this time. Yeah. But other than that, I. So this is all to say that if you happen to get an Android tab in your life and you can think of some random thing that you don't want to sacrifice a computer for. Probably is pretty sweet. Asterisk, the Android tab I have floating around my life is a Huawei MatePad Pro, which is so locked down.

1:30:26Yeah, it's hard. It might as well be in a maximum security prison. Yeah. So not for me, but for you, maybe. I'm just kind of a tablet hater in general. Perfect, because this next one is iPads. Overhyped. Overhyped? Exactly hyped. I'm using it. I think it's overhyped. Exactly hyped. I do not understand. I think if you asked me this before iPadOS 26, I would have had a different answer, but I think now. The beta has convinced me. It's just a laptop now. The beta has convinced me. Is it overhyped still? It's possible it may still be overhyped. I don't know. I think I have to stick with overhyped, but I'm going to give iPadOS 26 a chance for it to be perfectly hyped.

1:31:10The only thing 99 % of people do with their tablets is watch Netflix. Oh, yeah. For 99 % of people, overhyped. for 1 % of people may be perfectly hyped, may be under hyped. Yeah. To be determined. No, for sure. I mean, there's digital artists that use them and it's really great for them. Yeah. And it's probably under hyped in their eyes. But for the 99%, that Netflix could be had anywhere else. Yeah. Don't buy the pro. Don't buy the pro for the Netflix. Guys, I did the most embarrassing thing happened to me. I'm like, it's trying to see if I could even find the picture, but iPad related. I was like on a FaceTime call someone, which is something I really liked the iPad for, because its webcam is better than the one in my$6 ,000 MacBook somehow.

1:31:53Noticeably better. Like when I call people on my laptop, they're like, ew. Anyway, they were like, what are you wearing to this thing tonight? And I was like, let me just show you. And I walk into a mirror and flip the camera around. And everyone just broke out laughing at me holding my iPad. I totally forgot I was on the iPad. I have this screenshot. guys yeah that was literally it that was and like i have this screenshot somewhere that they sent me i'm gonna have to find it anyway that's so good okay that's okay we're priceless yeah how are we feeling we want one or two more i have one more thing i could say about ipads which is i lost my apple pencil on whatever our last work shoot travel shoot was very easy to do um i literally feel like a part of me died i didn't sound like i was using the apple pencil every day but like every time it's not i open my ipad and it's not sitting on top i'm just like there goes a hundred dollars sketching or handwriting yeah well I'm a die hard scribbler I think scribble is like one of the coolest things Apple has ever released it's not the coolest the coolest is standby mode on the iPhone maintain that standby me but anyway what about the math notes that's up there but math notes is only empowered by scribble cool damn wow All right.

1:33:14Next up. Get wrecked. Last one. Do we want to make this the last one? One to two more, yeah. Smartwatches.

1:33:23The silence. In the interest of being quick. Exactly. That's why I saw a selfie I took a little bit ago where you could see my Apple Watch Ultra. And I have not worn it since. So I'm having a little bit of a moment with smartwatches at the moment. I was just like, God, my whole wrist. I'm going to go over. I'm gonna go overhype because I think that they may be extinct in under a decade there's a chance that the face wearables completely eliminate you know you want to run more glasses I would run with smart glasses but that's not a smart watch if you just want to ban to wearing a wrist to like I mean heart fitness track then do that it feels more like to me like smartwatches used to be like wow i can use i can do my computer on my wrist now but now it's more like they're just fitness devices like pretty much all smart watches are exactly so i would rather have smart glasses and a fitbit than a huge screen on my wrist you know and a real watch uh that's a you know some people might do a real watch so you would never watch at all probably not really yeah but we need another time yeah i'll just check my phone yeah good question damn and then you look like a i'll just check it on my glasses oh i'll just do that i'll just do the nod that google last thing made 340 or whatever wait this is crazy so i saw i was at the nothing event and someone was they have one of those neck mounts with a mag safe thing so they were recording a pov with their phone on the neck mount and then they had the even reality glasses that have like two screens in it.

1:35:02Oh, God. And they were like, they were doing this. And the whole time, I'm not joking, the whole time they're like doing this with their hands and they're just like reading their script while staring blankly ahead. And I was like, wow. Next level, man. He's locked in. He's locked in. We've entered the future. That dude was creating. Dude, he was contenting. He was content creating. Contenting. I think your phone can do pretty much everything. It's always kind of weird when it's like, oh, my phone has dual band GPS for Strava, but my watch doesn't. The Ultra does, doesn't it? The Ultra does. I do prefer to not have to run with a phone, and it's cool that it can do the fitness stuff without it.

1:35:42It's just that for what smartwatches were originally invented for, which was to get notifications on your watch, I don't want that at all. So it's turned off. Yeah, but then why even wear a smartwatch? For fitness. Exactly. Yeah, but regular watches are cooler. Overhyped. You're agreeing with me. I mean, Ellis has found a picture of him holding these houses. Half the size of your torso. My internet went full potato at the same moment, too, so it's like a blurry... What are you wearing? Clothes. This is going in the show notes for audio listeners. Okay, David. Overhyped or underhyped? Overhyped.

1:36:19Ellis? Dude, I mean, overhyped. I don't know. I'm having a moment, but they're nice. okay that's fair last one yeah last one specifically for marquez specifically for marquez but i want to hear you guys first actually you guys go first and marquez will answer last okay yeah so he can judge us tyree johnson yeah whatever i don't know continue go for it please please carry carry uh hybrid cars oh hybrids oh

1:36:54good or bad would be an easy thing for me to answer i don't know how other people feel about hybrid cars like really actually you like plug-in hybrids or specifically plug-in hybrids whatever you want whatever yeah however you interpreted that i go for it i think plug-in hybrids are under hyped. Okay. Because if you can get like 50 miles and most people don't drive that far in a day from the suburbs or wherever they are and they can just plug in, that's like amazing. And then when you need the extra gas, you have it. I still would like the world to transition completely to full EV. So obviously, you know, I don't necessarily want hybrid to be the main thing.

1:37:37It does seem like more of a realistic thing that's going to sell to more customers because it's cheaper as well so there's that so i think it is under hyped okay ellis yesterday i hung out with a hybrid and its name was panamera 4e 4s e hybrid 4 4s space e hyphen hybrid totally h 1000 x yeah and uh and And what was so cool about it to me is that on the electric motor exclusively, it had 40 miles of range, like David said. So I don't believe it's a plug-in hybrid. I can't quite remember. But you can do your commute on the battery and then do everything else you need to do on the gas motor. And, yeah, when I think about – there's realistically almost all – I can't believe you said gas motor.

1:38:28Oh, my God. I'm going to yell at you so hard. As opposed to just the engine. they call them engines oh it's like it's like calling it yeah it's a gas oh it's like it's like I was being a jerk because someone yelled at me once years ago for calling it an engine in an electric car you're like what are you talking about I am technically replacing Andrew this week who does call it ball golf so you know maybe anyway oh because of frisbee golf disc golf okay alright this well thanks for listening to this episode of the pedantic podcast i like hybrids i like the idea that people who have bad complaints about evs get you know shown that oh you can still have a really high mileage car that goes really really fast and uh so you're also saying underhyped i mean i guess but i don't think there's anyone out here being like hybrids suck you know like i don't yeah i don't know i mean the counterpoint of that is that we want the world to transition to fully electric eventually well yeah but there aren't we it's more than just the cars you know okay i'm glad so to summarize oh yeah you're here yeah yeah yeah because i have i think it's a great way to end it i have a summary of both of your points i am in the underhyped category as well for hybrids okay and i've been able to i've thought about this a lot recently and you know gas cars have come a long way we've had gas cars for many many years and there are true fans of gas cars so lsu say why would anyone say hybrids suck, ask sports car fans.

1:39:57They are saying that exactly. Really? Yeah, the 911's a hybrid and everyone's, oh, hybrid, hybrids suck. Don't they know that Formula One cars are hybrids? They do, but that's why I'm saying underrated because I think that it's clear that the electric motor, specifically the motor, is a superior form of propulsion, period. It's more efficient, more torque, more responsive, better traction control, everything about the electric motor is better. Which I have separated out from the electric car because battery technology is still, has a long way to go. So when you say electric car today, that implies electric motors, which are great, and a massive battery, which adds 1 ,200 pounds to your car, which is not great.

1:40:44So in this world where we want to get to all cars eventually having this superior electric motor, you know some of them can be full battery electric some of them can be hybrid some of them can do even what porsche has done with the 911 carrera for gts which i just reviewed which is they just put electric motors in little parts of the car where it improves the overall gas engine experience so in that car the electric motor doesn't drive the wheels ever the electric motor sits in the turbo to keep it constantly spooled up so that the gas engine is more responsive and they have one in the gearbox as well wow that's very smart yeah in general i think people when they think of hybrids they think of oh prius you know very tame you know i get better gas mileage the engine turns off when i stop and i can get 20 miles of electric and that's all true and that's great but i think in terms of moving society from gas cars to electric cars, the electric motor through hybrids is moving us, is ushering us to that era.

1:41:53So I am saying, yes, exactly. Battery technology will have to improve until we get to the all-electric world of the future. Cool. Counterpoint. I think the way we get sports car heads hooked on electric motors, hear me out race cars drive on tracks the cool part about a track is that we know where the race car is going to go before it goes there there's some leeway it's wide but for the most part we know in the future all the possible places that race car could go if it's nascar's to the left therefore hear me out take the battery out of the car no battery just motor put a bumper star a bumper car style overhang electrified overhang whoa with a brush over the entire track all of a sudden you have the same super powerful car whoa you're taking 3 000 pounds off the weight and full voltage the entire time that thing would just be a non-stop kicking the pants that would be pretty incredible i don't know logistically if all the car is doing that and getting them tangled as they overlap each other no no no you're so you're you're picturing like a street car with like the the single like um wire single wire and then the hoop thing i am i'm talking about a bumper car like a roof where you have an awning the because bumper cars don't even have the luxury of a racetrack the bumper cars can move 360 degrees wherever they want, and they still have to be electrified.

1:43:30Gotcha. So that's what I see. So you would have the aerodynamic struggle of having a literal mast coming out of every... And I'm also not quite sure how you would do with elevation changes in the racetrack, but that's for engineers to figure out. Telescoping mast. So, yeah, hybrids. In fact, because of this great idea, hybrids, overhyped, putting a ceiling over every road in America, underhyped. Think about it. Yeah, and don't say anything about inductive charging roads. I don't care. Solar fuck freaking roadways. All right, on that note, I think the heat is finally getting to us. It's so hot in here.

1:44:08The heat is on. The heat is on. You know what else is on? Trivia time. Let's do it. Trivia, dude. Quick update on the score. Marquez, 27, from under the table while he grabs his marker. That he just hit the mic with. David, 30. The lady. Andrew slash Ellis, 17. Do my points go to Andrew this week? Yes, they do. Except for the one that you did. I'll come up with a different one for you. You answer that one. Okay. Wait, I know the answer. Right. Andrew needs the points. All right. All right. All right. Question number one. Guys, which of the following chart-topping musical acts have had their logo on an F1 car during a Grand Prix race?

1:44:57Hit it, Adam. A, Smash Mouth. B, BTS. C, ABBA. Or D, U2. Just kidding, Coldplay. What's the difference? Are we going to leave that? No, yeah. That is in the episode? I think so. I think it was during the first break. Yeah. I think we had a, so none of you know this, we had a full 10, 15 minute argument. Before we started recording. Before we started recording about if U2 and Coldplay were similar bands. I am on team no and if you agree with me tell me in the comments you literally discovered through the process that they are the same band they are not the same band flip them and read what do we got I put B I think it has to be BTS they are so corporate they have so many Samsung and LG collaborations it has to be BTS David what did you say yeah so that's awesome it's Coldplay isn't it because one of our co-workers suggested to that as an answer to this question.

1:45:56And I was like, I think that'd be really sweet. And then they were like, no, no, no. Actually, we shouldn't use that. I think it's going to be way too obvious. And like, no one will guess that. And I was like, I don't know. The correct answer is D. O. C. Which is what band? ABBA. During the 1981 San Marino Grand Prix, Carl Edvard Tommy Slim Borgud was like, if I just put the most famous thing Sweden has ever produced on my car, maybe someone will try to get a sponsorship next time. Anyway, yeah, answer was ABBA San Marino Grand Prix 1981. Nice. If Andrew was here, he probably would have known that.

1:46:32That's true. Yeah. Alright, next question. But now I get to answer this question. Yeah. Finish the sentence. Fill in the blank, however you want to look at it. Google Keep is available on Google Play for devices running blank and above. So what version of Android was Google Keep announced with basically. Can we give number or dessert? Yeah, I'll take either one. Oh, see, that's it. It wasn't backwards compatible?

1:47:02This is the announcement post, so I don't think it was backwards compatible. Can you tell us what your Google Keep came out? Fine. 2013. That gives me nothing. 2013. Shoot. I'm wrong. Oh, no. Alright, flip them and read. Android, what do we got? Android 4, which is not true. What did you put, Marquez? I put Android 4.2. 4.2? Ellis? Oh, right. Sorry, I've never done this before. I put Android 6. Android 6. The answer was Android... 7. 4. So David gets the point. Let's go. That's crazy. I wrote 4, and then when you said 2013, I added.2. Ah. And now I'm wrong. Alice screwed you up. Only the real keepers in the building know what's going on.

1:47:56Is that a honeycomb joke? It's a David joke. I don't know. The beekeepers. The beekeepers. He joined honeycomb. That was honeycomb? No. That was 4.0 ice cream sandwich. Ice cream sandwich. Honeycomb was saying five. Wow. All right, Marquez, take us out. No, it would be three. No, honeycomb was. H has come before I. Or not. thanks for joining us on this episode of the waveform podcast i am your temporary host ellis rovin filling in for andrew manganelli who will be back in our next episode and i am joined by regular hosts david amell marquez brownlee this has been great and we'll see you next week goodbye waveform is produced by adam olina no wait i wanted marquez to do that part now let's see if he can remember adam olina i don't know figure it out and produced by Adelina.

1:48:46Way from a spruce by Adam Molina. We're part of the Vox Media Podcast Network and our intro-outro music is by Vain Still. You forgot Ellis. Well, it's produced by you this week, buddy. Yeah. Good luck. Ellis, that's the next thing. I'm out. Good luck, Adam. Bingo. Let's go.

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