OnePlus and Xiaomi’s New Folding Phones

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1:19What is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast, We're your hosts. I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. And this has been a, I don't want to say strangely quiet news week because you've heard about the quiet before the storm, but it is, it has been a pretty quiet news week, but we do kind of have like a grab bag of random topics that we do want to talk about that are all kind of related or somewhat in tech. I just hit the mic, but that's okay. So we're going to talk about our favorite RCS messages. We have TikTok getting into the podcast world, which is actually maybe not as crazy as it sounds.

1:51Two new foldables. And we also have a fun new game we're going to try to play, which involves budgeting for your tech. It'll make sense when we get there. But first, we have huge breaking Apple Vision Pro news. It's something that they didn't say in the keynote, but we've learned something factual, potentially about Apple Vision Pro. Are you ready for this? I'm ready. The previously named MagSafe battery pack is now actually going to be called the Magic Battery. If this battery was actually magic, two hours, it would last longer than two hours. And would it need to be another battery pack strapped into it to last longer?

2:31You wouldn't have to plug it in to watch a full movie. I think it's funny because they said it was like MagSafe or whatever on stage and then I think everyone assumed it would just like slap onto the side with a magnet because that's what MagSafe usually is. Yeah. But I don't think that's exactly what's happening. And I think they saw all the reviews and impressions videos and realized, oh, that's confusing. And then they took the MagSafe name out and they just said, what do we call it? Magic. Magic. but it's still a two hour battery what else does has apple called magic besides the mouse a lot magic trackpad magic keyboard keyboard magic i feel like there's software accessories the disk drive is the magic drive is it really yeah they like that word is no they still sell it for 79 in the store i've had to buy it because when i got an x-ray they give you it on a disc and i had to figure out how to buy a cd drive for my mac and that was rough you might be the only person who's bought an$80 disk drive to look at your x-ray i wanted to look at my x-ray i was like is my hand broken or not i guess i have to spend this money and figure this out yeah that's amazing wow yeah they had the it's literally on a disc was it broken it was broken yeah that's i remember probably worth the$80 exactly uh so yeah that apple also loves using the word magic on stage to describe how things work they're not the only company though i feel like google did that a lot with like the magic eraser and they'll say things are just like magic it works just like magic yeah well there is that quote any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic and i agree with that quote yeah i agree with it in the apple vision pro also it is a battery a magical thing the least magical thing about it is the two hour battery life yeah so honestly the headset itself like doing that demo everything kind of felt like magic the battery is just a battery.

4:14The headset is more magical than the battery. But would you have bought Apple Magic Headset? Magic Leap was the name of a real thing. Magic Leap was a real thing. Yeah, Magic Headset would be a terrible name. Yeah, that's true. But I wouldn't have counted out. Anyway, okay, so we have Google Messages turning on RCS by default, and group end-to-end encryption is now launched. I noticed this because I was texting from a review phone to another phone that I had and it was immediately RCS by default on and I was very happy about that and I was like I don't think I'd turn that on though that was cool cool to see um the iPhone is still no longer involved in this whole RCS thing yeah that's pretty much it yeah yeah I mean Google kind of was pushing this ad campaign for the last year or so called get the message or they've been trying to get Apple to adopt RCS or at least allow RCS in the Apple messages app yep not gonna happen um but i think you know when google first launched this i was like uh it feels like they're just being really like weirdly aggressive and like it's not really gonna do anything but i do think that it has helped the general public consciousness kind of like be more on google's side and i think that's the intention yeah i think that's a marketing campaign like i don't think they expect apple to change at all but it's a sweet marketing campaign to be like hey look apple's not changing this but we have yeah i i noticed like it's been a very uh well-received topic by people who find out it's kind of interesting like i don't think this ad campaign is designed to sell android phones no or to to get apple to actually change anything but i think because google knows that there's no shot they ever change it that they can just push on as hard as they want with this and if they do actually change they win but also if they don't change everyone just gets to see apple painted as kind of the bad guy in this one feature war yeah uh we did a video or a short on rcs and this whole part of the battle that they've been waging for a while and a lot of people in the comments are like whoa yeah i didn't know about this and this is actually crazy i didn't realize that yeah i remember hassan minaj was here we were talking um on the daily show and the same thing happened like he was asking me why are like the messages like there are so many different messaging platforms and like every time i try to message someone the android phones don't work with the iphones and i actually explained i think for the first time he's ever heard that i was like you know that's actually by design right like tim cook literally he'd never heard that yeah he was like yeah uh buy an iphone like get your mom an iphone he's like oh really that's actually fascinating we live in such a bubble yeah that's crazy so they're getting it out the bubble they're like spending money to tell people about this i think that them turning it on both by default for new and existing users is like really important and really good it's very rare that a company will auto flip on a switch that you have to opt out of yeah that has already been off because generally when you would start using google messages and rcs became available to your carrier there would be a pop-up that was like do you want to turn on rcs messaging but like what regular people that don't know what are like they have no idea what that means exactly when it first came out i like had my specific friends i turned it on i was like i know who has this on right now i texted like three people and then immediately saw like them typing back to me and all the things and we were all like oh my god this is so sick and i was like no one cares well yeah i mean google is changing like a lot of the verbiage in the messages app too because they now instead of like start a new message it says start a new chat and i think they understand that the word chat to people feels more like a free-flowing like live thing whereas messaging is more of like a like an email it's like a little old schooler yeah for sure yeah yeah um but yeah it's crazy that they turned it on my default for everybody i think that's really good they had 800 million people using rcs as of io uh and they said by the end of the year they'll have over a billion i'm pretty sure this just pushed them over like multiple billion the easiest way to get to a big number is force it yeah but i think it's going to be great overall for a lot of people who now just start texting each other and all of a sudden they have like you know rich messaging features i was gonna say it feels like there's no downside yeah just in the way i'm looking at it i think if you asked apple or if you asked other companies they'd be like well this is the google rcs or there are certain things that they don't want to to like jump in with google on but generally if i'm a user it's like oh you just turned on encryption for me you just added features for me and you just gave me like typing indicators and reactions, I feel like that's a win.

8:46Totally. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that over the next few years, like the sooner they were going to get this out the door, the better. Because over the next few years, it'll become less and less of a meme that Google doesn't have a competitor to iMessage, which I think is really good. Because like throughout most of the world, Android phones are way more popular than the iPhone. Yeah. So just being able to have something that can be with that is good. The group and to end encryption finally being live, also very important because when you would talk about rcs to people a lot of people who were sort of in the know would be like rcs is still a joke because it doesn't have group end-to-end encryption they mentioned that they were going to do this like over two years ago um single user-to-user end-to-end encryption through rcs launched over two years ago in a while yeah and they've said we're working on group messaging end-to-end encryption forever and they just launched it so very glad it's finally here do we know what happens yet if one person in the group chat doesn't have it does it just become the new i don't know like the whole thing breaks i would like to test this um because it's either the whole thing breaks but at uh wwdc this year one of the updates that they didn't actually talk about on stage but was an update to imessage was that if you have an android user in a group chat but there are also other iphone users in the group chat the iphone users can continue to use a lot of the iMessage features with each other and the Android users just won't really see those and it won't really work for them.

10:14But, that is sort of a two-sided, like, double-sided coin, right? Like, you could, that could be good or that could be bad, depending on how you look at it. So, they could either do that, Google could either do that, or they could just make it totally break. So, it's kind of up to them. Might have to try it. Might have to try it and find out. I think we have to test it, yeah. Mess around and find out. Dieter is very happy. Shout out Dieter. Dieter is somewhere in the basement of a Google office. Having a pizza party right now. RCS, baby. All right. What is this headline about TikTok hosting full podcasts?

10:50I'm not really sure. I see this headline and I'm like, all right, TikTok was short videos. And then it was 60 second videos. And then it was 10 minute videos. And then now suddenly they're like continuing to expand into like full on YouTube competitor. And then they're hosting podcasts. Is that what's happening? It's I read it this morning and I thought it was kind of interesting and I was confused like you were at first because when I see the people who watch TikToks, what is the most polar opposite form of content they would ever do? And it's hour plus long audio podcasts. Yeah. Feel just like polar opposites.

11:22But I actually do think it looks kind of neat. And I think in there is so at first I thought like and it's something we do on Waveform is we post short form content vertically on reels, on shorts, on TikTok. And sometimes they do pop off. But the reason shorts is the best for all of those is because immediately they can go to something in the same player to get to our actual podcast. And that's the video podcast. And this, what they're doing is they're letting you link your RSS feed into a podcast profile, I guess. I haven't figured this out. They said they started to roll it out to some users, but we haven't gotten it yet.

11:58But essentially you can upload that podcast episode from the RSS feed to link to any clips that you make into TikTok. So if you watch a 60 second long clip or whatever on TikTok of a podcast that seems interesting through that, you can click to it and it'll link to that audio episode. What I don't know about this yet is, is it going to pop up and say, like, listen to this in Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Pocket Casts? Or is TikTok going to have some weird audio player that it'll play in just pulling from the RSS feed that I don't know? We don't know. You could see either one happening. I would like it to pull you to something else, but I would assume they would want you on TikTok as long as possible.

12:40Yeah. So I could see a weird TikTok. That's the assumption. It would make sense if they kicked you out to just whatever your phone's default podcast player is. But also, if you're TikTok, you would rather not just kick people out to another app. So they're probably going to have some sort of embedded TikTok UI, maybe, for playing back audio files. Yeah, the person that wrote this up has a quote that says that it will allow users to listen to the audio of a video on the new podcast page while the app is in the background. Yeah, so you won't be leaving the TikTok. Yeah. makes sense that makes kind of like an in-app player i guess that's gotta be i feel like but when you open a link in twitter it has like the built-in browser inside of twitter instead of kicking you out to your browser but the problem with that is that you have to stay in that browser if you don't want to cut out so that does seem kind of weird because if you're on tiktok and you're just scrolling through tiktoks and you see a clip and you like it and then you hit the button are you going to just like be in that player for an hour and i think you can i think what adam said is that player can be in the background and play just like Spotify.

13:42It doesn't have to be the - Separate from the TikTok app, though? I don't think it's separate from the TikTok. I don't think you can scroll on TikTok anymore. Yeah. But if you were to turn it on, you can then still go on any other app on your phone, just like a regular media player. That would be ideal. Is my guess. I can't picture someone being like, TikTok, scroll. TikTok, scroll. TikTok, scroll. Oh, new podcast clip. And then just leave the scroll. Most people are in the scroll for a while, and they weren't just about to leave. They're like, I want to save this for later. I want to listen to this tomorrow.

14:10But just like leaving the feed immediately and listening to an hour audio episode seems insane. I see like definitely the pro of this, which is TikTok like wants you to be putting stuff like that up there. And then this is a way that potentially you can link to it faster. So for a creator, it's better. And if it does somehow leave you on that page playing for TikTok, it still counts as like people staying in the app, which I'm sure is great to boost numbers. but also like like i said before who on tiktok wants to go listen to an audio podcast when you're in like tiktok's low attention span scrolling mode this is interesting it feels like it would be a better feature for google because they have the google podcast app they have youtube music and they have youtube yep and if you and then you have youtube shorts so if you see a podcast on youtube shorts maybe you want to go to that clip on youtube or maybe you want to go to the google podcast app is it um youtube music or it was one feature that allows you to watch the podcast and then switch between the audio and video version yeah it's so confusing that they have a podcast app and they also have youtube music which plays podcasts yeah that's so and they also have the clip feature where you can like link someone to a clip of a video and it'll look like just a short video but you're actually watching part of a longer video that you can expand that It stems from streaming because Twitch has it.

15:31It's called Twitch because like if you're doing an eight hour thing and you want to just like show a really quick part of that. And then when YouTube started going harder into the streaming platform, they added that. Can you do that on regular videos? Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah. So you can link any long video like a section. So instead of just timestamp linking, you can just like basically shorten it for them to just a clip. I've never put it together that it's the same player for live streaming and regular so you can clip regular videos. Do you still get a view for that? Does it screw your view duration?

15:59Probably. Typical Google, like, have this fun new feature and watch your video algorithm get destroyed. Wasn't that a premier Stadia? That you can jump into a game at any point in the game? It was a feature they wanted to bring, but they never actually did. What if they did that for podcasts? That Stadia feature was really funny because it got announced and it was just like the erasing the fence feature. It never actually happened, but the whole time you're like, wouldn't it be cool if i was watching someone live stream a game and then they failed at a level and then i just double clicked the game and i was in that level yeah it was that exactly at their stage they never never that was way too good to be true yeah that was such a cool idea that we'll never see i don't think yeah look what's funny this actually would make a lot of sense for spotify only because that's what i was thinking the way that they reason they recently like reorganized spotify to feel more like tiktok because you know how now on spotify they have like a discover thing where it plays the like most fun 10 seconds of a song to see if you want to listen to the song i remember that changing but now i'm realizing i don't know if mine ever fully changed mine updated temporarily and then went away it's like just enough stuff come out that people like hated it because mine is definitely back to like the old goods i think that it's like hidden in there like it shows up sometimes on your home feed now okay but what they could do is they could have if you have a video podcast it could show you like a clip of the podcast and then if you tap on it because the benefit of spotify video is that you can like transition between audio and video all the time yeah so being able to do that through there makes sense because they already have a tiktok-esque feature um and surprisingly a ton of people use spotify for podcasts oh yeah i do on they've been pushing it yeah they've been pushing it for a while i mean i don't i use it yeah do you use it for video podcasts too no all right so i have absolutely no i i've started listening to some podcasts in spotify but i haven't actually pulled up a video podcast in spotify i guess there's still a lot of them on youtube quick question why don't you guys use it it's just my like what i listen to all my music on so it just feels like the audio platform for me yeah it's been like forcing its way like one or two podcasts i listened to got removed because they bought it like spotify bought it and made it spotify exclusive so like okay now i have like two podcasts i'm subscribed to in spotify so i'll listen to those over there but everything else is in pocketcast and like organized and i have my system for it yeah so like it kind of bounced back and forth i guess yeah i don't for a few reasons like one i like my apps to be consolidated into the specific things they're for yeah and i've used pocketcast since like it was born in like 2010 it's like a really old app that is now amazing um and it auto downloads podcasts all these things and then also uh i have listened to a couple episodes through spotify whether because they were like spotify exclusive or someone sent me a link to like a show that i'm never gonna listen to again but only wanted to hear that episode yeah and spend it to send it through spotify the problem is that once you listen to a podcast episode in spotify it starts recommending podcasts with the music it recommends you.

19:11It just starts popping up podcast recommendations. And it's like, I don't want that. I listen to specific podcasts that I want. I don't really do a discovery thing that often. I do wonder, and to slightly go back to TikTok here, is the reason I won't say this is bad at all is any discoverability in podcasts feels good because of how bad it is. That's true. The podcast world has no discoverability. I think every podcast should be on YouTube just for the discoverability part, even if you have no video. It's hard to make a podcast discoverable because it's not a quick consumption thing. And it's not like a, it's not all in one place.

19:49Like an RSS feed means you can, we're all listening on different apps. Like there's so many other places you can have it. So they'll all have potentially their own discoverability. But I also agree with you on Spotify. Like when I get into a podcast listening mode, then I'm mad that none of my music is showing up as like the recent or recommended, or then I'm listening to music They kind of listen to one podcast and then like it's all podcasts again. And so like that split would be nice. I like to have them segmented. That's why it's interesting to me that in other countries like China where you have WeChat that has everything in it, people are like OK with that there.

20:20But I feel like in a lot of more Western countries, people like people like to have separate apps for everything, which is like I'm not sure that this X app thing. Yeah, that's the only reason it's not going to work. I don't know. Who knows? It could. I'm interested to see what kind of conversions this TikTok thing makes in the end well if we get the opportunity to try it we'll try it because we make the clips anyways then all we have to do is link each episode but I'm very interested to see who's like I want to watch 30 seconds of mind numbing video clips and then listen to a one hour tech podcast after audio only I'm sure it's a non-zero number but we'll find out exactly how low that number is eventually yeah yeah alright well we should take a quick break but we also need to talk about this one plus foldable leak and some other things after the break so before we get there let's do some trivia trivia so we just spent the past 10 ish minutes talking about podcasts and rss feeds and all that fun stuff oh boy what does rss stand for i know it i don't i don't i'm glad i know it yes that's a point for me yes we'll be right back we'll do the answers at the end like we usually do but I know the answer we'll be right back jealous

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24:17Visit T-Mobile.com. All right. Welcome back. We have foldables. A lot of foldables. hot foldable summer hot foldable it's kind of popping it is as but no I just like that I like that a lot that's the summer of foldables that's 2020 I think we have the title for this episode hot foldable summer it's like Wawa's hoagie fest but it's foldy fest oh that's a title that's a title hold that title back pocket foldy fest just keep that one there's no SEO on that one No, yeah, there's none. But we have a OnePlus foldable and a Xiaomi foldable. Xiaomi. We might as well talk about them. At the end of the Xiaomi.

25:01You should explain why. People are like, why did he just say it like that? At the end of the Xiaomi ad, they just have this like chime. You know how everyone has a chime? Like Samsung has like, wait, hold on. Yeah. It's the same chime every time. Like Xiaomi has a chime. but then after the chime it's just a generic voice saying it's a very powerful male narrator and it just goes show me yeah and it's every it's every time it's every time just so you know that's why i said it like that we should start ending mkbhd videos like that just do mkbhd it's like a weird like audio sample dj show me uh what's up guys mkbhd here where were we okay so they're making a foldable adam can play it they're making a foldable so the the xiaomi one is just like a little bit of a i guess it's a teaser of like what it'll look like it's the mix three and i think the most interesting part about all these is how each of these form factors is looking slightly different like prioritizing different things yeah because at this point we kind of have a whole new landscape of foldable devices we have rumors about this oneplus foldable being more like passport shaped but squared up if it is i will be so happy then we have i'm gonna pull out the pixel fold yeah which is like passport shaped but more rounded on the sides yeah we also have the tall skinny candy bar that unfolds like the samsung fold so there's a there's a bunch of yeah this is becoming like we're realizing we need foldable tier lists soon honestly i feel like candy bar whack if i was working at samsung right now i'd be thinking really hard about uh adjusting the shape or making a new phone with a like a passport yeah i agree because that seems to be i mean i just way prefer using that shape of a foldable if there was any company to make like two foldables not including the flip but you know two hot dog yeah samsung would do it easy but the xiaomi one their thing is like it's going to be super thin yeah and you open that phone and you're like dang each half of this is like way thinner than a normal phone but you put it together and use it and it feels like the thickness of one normal phone the last foldable they made was like that it was super thin yep uh almost no crease on there's another one too which uh a lot of them are doing way better with the crease basically and they flatten it out so it's like the the xiaomi one has quad cameras on the back it seems like it's going to be an ultra high-end flagship the one plus one there's some leaked specs potentially it's got flagship specs as well 4 ,800 million power battery, Snapdragon 8 Gen 2, strong rear cameras, whatever that means.

27:39I love that. That was my favorite Leak spec. Strong rear cameras. Strong. Nice. Does the Leak have the Hasselblad logo? Yeah, it does. Yeah. Oh, they still gotta get their money's worth out of that. Why add another camera when you can put a Hasselblad logo there instead? The Flash is literally, in this render from OnLeaks, is literally off the camera bump so they can put a Hasselblad logo where the Flash probably should be. Can I ask you something? Yeah. Sure. Can I ask you a question? Was the water brown? Do you use a flash ever on your phone when taking pictures? No, but I use the flashlight.

28:16I use the flashlight. Okay, that's different. So there is, number one, do you use a flash for the camera? No. Number two, do you use the flashlight for anything? Yes. The flashlight, yes. And then number three, do you think most other people actually do use the flash for photos? When people use the flash for photos, it's because they have auto flash on. But they just leave it. It's because they're morons. Well, also now, the default now is to have, everyone has a night mode now. Right. And night mode with that kind of HDR generally doesn't use the flash at all. So it has to be a very intentional decision for you to turn flash on now.

28:53Let's hear from Ellis. He said he does use the flash. I do use the flash. For what? I do not enjoy the look of photographs on my iPhone 12's long exposure night mode. Yeah. Just don't look. Well, in a lot of situations, yeah. And I'm willing to trade off kind of spotty lighting. But also, in my home studio, I have a big rack of gear against a wall. And it's really annoying to get behind it. and so I very often have to take my phone and reach over it and take a picture of the back of the rack. I do that a lot. And the flash really comes in handy there. So in photos that you consider like taking to show other people or like because that's a photo you're just taking for the information at that point right but like if you're going to post something on Instagram or Twitter probably never flash.

29:45No I did use a flash for that like a week ago. I'm trying to remember the i reported it i will say that um a lot of the younger generation right now that like 90s party flash camera look is becoming really popular again i was just i was gonna say the same thing like yeah people like the look of less polished maybe it's just because like disposable cameras had a moment and like that look had a moment but also i had a conversation i overheard a conversation recently that it's like sometimes you just hear a normal conversation and you're like ah that's the way people think about it yeah and you know how when you have most night mode if you're like in a dark enough situation you hit night mode you have to hold it still for like three seconds i think they said something like oh yeah i just i'll turn the flash on because otherwise it takes too long like yeah that's exactly why people use the flash yeah it takes three seconds to not have a flash i gotta tell you a story okay i was i was outside um this is when i was in the pacific northwest a couple weeks ago and i was outside by a lake in the evenings in the evening and there was this person who like also pulled up near us to do this like landscape thing but they went to take a photo like of the stars like oh wow the stars are so beautiful and they turn their flash on and hit the shutter button yeah so you could see the stars better that's what they that's what they said they're like oh i gotta turn the flash on and i was like oh my sweet summer child i don't think that light is going to illuminate the stars i've used the flash for like food photography Like if you're trying to get like a close picture of like a plate.

31:18It can be an aesthetic sometimes. Yeah, it can be an aesthetic. For sure. Choice. But that's it. I feel like every time I've taken a picture of food with the flash, it turns it into like a lemony Snicket. Get that nowhere near me. If your plate is reflective enough, you'll have an orb glowing back at you. If you're in a dark room or a darker room like a restaurant and you have the flash on, now all of a sudden your food is casting shadows on itself. True. Yeah. It's terrifying. It's a vibe. If you're in a darker room like a restaurant, my favorite is the people who don't realize the flash is on in a dark space, and they take it, and you see them just hide their camera immediately.

31:52Like, I wasn't made it. Okay, sorry. I have another story. Andrew. Oh, my God. See how long it takes, though? Wait, the light just is on, though. That was a focus flash. Oh, it had to focus first. There's a focus flash, and then the photo flash right after. David just flashed me for audio listening. Oh, my God. And it took it like three seconds later. I'm not even in the photo. I've literally backed off from the flash at that point. That's rough. Anyway, all of this is to say, when I see the flash up in the corner of this OnePlus phone, I think, personally, who cares? It's a flash. I'm never going to use it.

32:24But I also remember that there was a brief age where we went from single LED flash to dual LED flash, and then dual tone for two different temperatures of LED flash, so we could match the temperature of the flash to the color temperature of the room. and there was this whole then there was a moto phone with a ring light around the camera like there was a like a three-year period where we really seemed to care about flash well the manufacturers did at least yeah they cared about flash and i think it kind of like 3d tvs we all just kind of went never mind yeah it's fine so i have a story okay so this oppo find n that i've been using from around the office also has a flash on it and it's a foldable yeah which is how this conversation started can we get back to foldables oh yeah thanks yeah thank you wait i actually do have something so like in these oneplus renders we're talking about it being squared off and that looks very squared off yeah but is the flash big enough have you ever i have a story about flashes they put the hassle plan logo where the flash should have been yeah they should have called it hassle flash oh my god wait but in the me mix 3 teaser continue they're definitely doing the like kind of bezeled edges to make it feel thinner right yeah yeah yeah the thing is it's bezeled on both sides would it be weird to have it only bezel on the outside portions of it and then flat on the middle so then when it's folded like you're holding a normal phone it's only like the exterior is bezel and you don't feel the i agree with you bevel it bevel it on the outsides because the the inside i've i've held that before what phone was like that that was like beveled on the inside and outside and it just felt weird right because you feel that there's a split in the middle so you're holding it like that it's just weird to have it curved on both sides but i get it because the old OnePluses were beveled on the outsides and the phones felt so thin despite not actually being that much thinner.

34:12So if you have a thicker phone, make it feel thinner, but then also don't make it feel like a huge crack down the middle. Something they changed from the Oppo Find N1 to the Find N2 was that the Find N1 was rounded and beveled on both sides and then the Find N2, they flattened the sides. And the Find N2 feels a lot better in my opinion. There's a Xiaomi that I'm forgetting the name of that had the right side thicker than the left side. Do you remember this? They made a foldable where one. Oh, no, no, no. The foldable? It was the outside fold, I think. It was a normal fold. But yeah, it was a wedge shape.

34:46So the entire thing open was a wedge shape. And when you folded it shut, it was a rectangle. And because you had more weight in the right hand, it would feel like the center of gravity was more in your hand. Because now when you hold a foldable wide open, it's like, it's kind of big. I remember what you're talking about now. Yeah. Wasn't it the Huawei, the first Huawei? Yeah, I think it was Huawei. It was a Huawei. It was the first Mate X. It was a Huawei phone. Because it had that hand grip on the right side. Whatever happened to that idea? No, no. That's kind of cool. That was the one that folded outside, and that's because it had the cameras on it, and it had to fold into the cameras.

35:20Yeah. So I guess technically that was weighted differently, but it wasn't wedged. It was a different Huawei phone. There was a Mate X. So if you look up Mate X2, see this? Yeah. It looks so weird. It looks like you sharpened a stick at the campfire. but it did have a really interesting good feel in the hand so there's there's a whole bunch of new folding ideas happening they're kind of floating out there we're trying to figure out what works in folding phones what people actually buy the thing is they're all still so expensive it's not like we're getting like a 700 folding phone unless maybe the razor comes out and it's 700 bucks because the razor plus is still a thousand oh right there's the cheaper one coming out yeah but as of as of right now it's still in early adopter phase but we have just way more options to early adopt.

36:02It's hot foldable summer, my guys. Yeah, gotta vote with our wallets. Can I end this on a question? Sure. Do you think we'll have a foldable category in the smartphone awards this year? I think we should. If there's ever a year to do it, we're, I mean, obviously every year is going to have more and more, but this feels like legitimately a dozen choices. Yeah. I am willing to commit to that. Okay. Wow. On this podcast. Just like every year we've gotten closer and closer and i think this past year the best compact phone category i i had a moment where i was like i i think i have to pick a non-folding phone because when i open the folding phone it's not as compact as the zen phone yeah but it is technically more compact yeah and these folding phones kind of deserve their own recognition and i feel like this year there's just so many ideas yeah worthy of being recognized that we should have a for the first time a new category in the smartphone awards probably since its inception i think we've only added one category ever so yeah folding phone is getting an award that's another trophy it's another trophy it's coming out of somebody's paycheck and i did not suggest this it's a 200 trophy no yeah i think we should do that and i'm not gonna give any teasers but i've been daily driving you guys already know i've been daily pixel fold for a while it's my favorite foldable to come out this year but there's still more coming you heard it the winner already maybe maybe maybe the oneplus will be good when you guys see the video you can comment i knew about this because i watched the podcast six months ago in december you'll be like i found out in august what it's rigged i watched if you comment that in december that and also comment microfiber then i'll pin it i'll pin it i'll at least heart it all right that's it um we're gonna go to an ad break and next up we have a fun game that Adam kind of created last night.

37:53I don't think you really know about it. David kind of knows about it. I kind of know about it. Sort of. It's going to be fun. You won't want to miss it. Trivia question. And there's those trivia questions right now that you don't have to miss. You never have to miss anything if you always listen to the Waveform podcast hosted by Andrew Manganielli and Marcus Rantley and David Amell. And all the way through 100 % every time. Do you guys want to hear a joke? No. Whoa! Didn't you say you were going to make this joke as soon as Yeah, but the vibe wasn't there. I can make the joke now. All right. Do you know the one about the ancient Greek tailor?

38:27No. A guy walks into an ancient Greek tailor, and the tailor looks at him and says, Ah, Euripides? Ah. Okay. Now for the trivia question. Nice. According to Hong Kong-based industry analysis firm Counterpoint, what is the most expensive part of the iPhone 14 Pro Max? A, the display. B, it's processor C, it's cellular components so like antenna, 5G modem stuff like that or D, it's camera system I didn't know that CounterPoint was based in Hong Kong yeah I guess that's the next trivia question and with that we'll think about it and we'll be right back

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