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1:15yo what is up people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts i'm marquez i'm andrew and i'm nintendo switch 2 i almost said that I had to think about it first. It hasn't been working as well as we'd hoped, but I'm David. Do it more. You know what did work? Last time we asked people who hadn't subscribed to subscribe, and then they did. Yeah. It was kind of crazy how directly... I hate how that works. Yeah. I have this peeve where if I'm watching a YouTube video and the YouTuber looks into the camera and asks me to subscribe before starting anything in the video, I get a little mad.

1:49I usually click off. And I usually don't. So we'll have to find a better way to do it. Yeah, but then we kind of do that. And it kind of worked. So yeah, it's a middle ground. I guess what I'm trying to say is if you're watching this and you're one of those people, please don't get mad. But if you aren't subscribed and they show us up on your feed every week, maybe consider subscribing. It does great for us. It's amazing. Yeah, true. Anyway, this week we have a whole bunch of stuff. Meta's in the midst of an active lawsuit. We saw maybe there's a new AirTag competitor coming, possibly. We also want to wrap it up with a game because we have a lot of fun with those.

2:21So the last segment will be a game. But first, there was a huge story this week. I mean, it's the elephant in the room. We can't really not talk about it, so I figured we might as well intro the entire podcast with it. Sometimes it's an uncomfortable topic for people, but we just got to get right into it and not really mess around. New Beats cables. This, I mean, we saw this coming a mile away. Once we saw Beats was making phone cases, we knew that this was not off the table, but we just didn't know when. We knew Beats, they've got to make more iPhone accessories, but when are they going to make a cable?

2:56And they finally did it. And so we have them here. There's actually four colors. Product of the year, probably. I know it's a little early to say that, but I feel confident. It's 2025. They go pretty hard. There's four colors. I'm holding two of them, the black and the white. I don't know. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Sorry, dumb names. You mean Spult Black and Surge Stone? Surge Stone. You're right. Those are the names. And I have Nitro Navy and Rapid Red. What? Those are worse somehow. They like alliterations. These sound like Red Bull-like names. Dude, they sound like monster names. Yeah. Wait, what was the black one?

3:28G Fuel? It was Bolt Black. So they're all alliterations. It was Nitro Blue? No, Nitro Navy. Nitro Navy. Rapid Red. Surge Stone's the - Surge Stone. Surge Stone's fine. That sounds like a Pokemon evolutionary stone. No, it's not fine. It's better than Rapid Red. Yeah, but Stone, at least Rapid Red, like, oh, it charges fast or whatever. Like, Stone does not surge. sorry as you know i mean there's one searching in your computer right now oh silicon technically a stone uh they do charge at 60 watts so these are so these are one and a half meter woven usb-c cables c to c 60 watt charging they're usb 2.0 they're not really meant for data uh they do they technically do so if you want to like transfer if you want to plug them into your headphones or whatever i guess that's cool but um yeah they're just charging cables i also think the usb's a to c is 15 watt oh is it i think so okay well they they are selling these four colors they sell them in two length variations there is a five foot or eight inch option they come in c to c c to a and c to lightning they are all what is 19 for one or 35 for two no matter what length you get which is already ridiculous can i ask you a question sure what is the point of an eight inch cable what do you do with an 8 inch cable a usb c to c cable yeah i'm not sure and they're they're they're all 19 for everyone who's literally not in the u.s 20 centimeters 1.5 meters i think oh you mean the 8 inch cable yeah 20 centimeters here's the thing guys uh they're 19 for one or 35 or two they're 60 watt uh usb 2 the anchor equivalent on amazon right now is 10 for two of that same spec that is also braided this is the thing you're going to find in the best buy airport kiosk we're like oops i forgot my cable like i know i'm going to get upcharged for convenience here but i'm just going to buy one anyway because i need it because my headphones are about to die and i'm about to get on a plane yeah and whatever they're just a cable and it's the beats cable so they'll probably work with my headphones marquez made a good point that like apple does not sell anything except for the macbooks that charge at more than 60 watts yeah so that's fair but they're expensive and i would rather have something that's faster and can do more data for cheaper i'd argue most people have the brick as their limiting factor so if you're buying a new cable it's probably to charge something under 60 watts it's probably oh my phone i need a new charging cable Oh, my headphones.

5:59I need to charge my iPad. I know. Yeah. I don't like that you're right about that. If you want to spend a lot of money on cables, there are some really nice cables out there. There are. The Anker Prime is like one of the nicest braided cables, I think. And this is 240 watts. It is 30 bucks. And PD, you know. 30 bucks for one cable. 30 bucks for one cable is a lot, but this is a very nice braided cable. That's the Cadillac of cables right there. You know what? Yeah. Okay, so you guys have a box of wires, right? Everybody, yeah. Exactly. Drawer. Everyone's got a drawer or a box. I have two. I have one just for power and one for non-power.

6:38Mine's a suitcase. It's full of wires. It's full of old random earbuds that I got given. But there are so many. A couple weeks ago, I went through my suitcase, and I recycled any brick that was less than 30 watts, I recycled. and I recycled any cable that was micro USB except for one, just in case. Just in case you need one, yeah. And then anything that was like A to C, I was like, I just, there probably will be a day. Whenever I rent a car from Turo, it's always only gotten a like USB A port and I'm like, well, now I can't use Android Auto or Apple CarPlay. There's a lot of people out there who just buy a cable that's just convenient.

7:19Best Buy Kiosk is 100 % what these are for. They look nice, so people will be more willing to spend money on them at the last minute. My top comment on the Apple subreddit about these was, is it compatible with the polishing cloth? That sounds like the Apple subreddit. Got them, yeah. Shout out to the Apple subreddit. Is the polishing cloth more expensive than these? It's$19. I think it's the same price, yeah. But hot take. Yeah, how fast does that charge? Well, I think I've said this before. I think that one of my hottest takes is that the polishing cloth is worth the money. No, I know. I think I've said that on the podcast.

7:52But it is actually, it's like nano, you know. It's not microfiber. It's like nanofiber. It's so good. You think it's worth$20? Yeah. Yes, I do, actually. Have you bought one? No. I think you have. But it's come with stuff that I have bought. Wait, this is probably a good time to announce to audio listeners that Adam is not actually on the podcast today. And we are joined by co-host Mariah Zeng. It's a cool animation, yeah. Nice. Anyway, yeah, that was the big story of the week. We just had to talk about it up top. I know we don't usually get into that stuff on this podcast, but this felt like a big enough story that we had to go there.

8:27So I hope you guys appreciate our unbiased coverage. Right. Moving on. There's a story. iPhones may or I guess have now been exempted. This is an ongoing. OK. Yeah. Ongoing development with tariffs. We left off last week with some things that have been changing. It's hard to cover tariffs right now. Do you remember the number we left off with last week? It was like 20, 25 percent. It was 34 percent? 34 %? You know what it was when the episode came out? I think it went up like 145. 145%. I think it's in the 200s now. It's bumped up again. Is it? I don't think so. Or maybe that's just something I saw on Reddit and maybe that's not even true.

9:05Who knows, baby. But the story now is iPhones may be specifically exempt from tariffs. So this was one of those big questions that connects to regular people, which is, okay, the new iPhone's going to come out later this year. Will it be dramatically more expensive than we're expecting because of tariffs three thousand dollars is not how much it will cost that is what everyone online says to scare you well there were some stories floating around of like lots of these things are made in china a lot they're assembled in china these factories are in china a lot of apple stuff uh gets built there and these tariffs you know seem to be heavily affecting a lot of these parts so maybe the iphone will be heavily affected so understandably there's a lot of conversation about it um but you know tim cook doing his supply chain wizardry or just politicism or whatever just has a few conversations and now the iphone looks to be exempt from tariffs at least for the time being well okay this is as far as i've got and once again could change exempt from reciprocal tariffs okay but placed in this different i kept seeing it called tariff bucket of uh that it's right now in this weird like thing they're saying called the fentanyl tariff which is to punish china from importing fentanyl into the u.s i don't want to go any further into that because i don't understand it that was an but existing tariff that they had yeah and it's it's for uh setting fentanyl precursors to mexico where it is manufactured into fentanyl the the talk is that within the next couple months we might see some different types of tariffs coming to the semiconductor industry so it's not just apple but semiconductor yeah tech pretty much everything we've talked about will have some sort of reciprocation from that um but i think wanted to say that because i don't think it'll be in the whatever 145 proposed tariff but it will have some tariffs and also we're gonna try and maybe not talk about numbers of tariffs much here because it's almost impossible for it to ever come out at the updated price point.

11:08Yeah, by the time this podcast comes out and by the time you listen to it and by the time it's a week later and someone else clicks on it. Yeah, I mean, here's the headline. Threatens new tariffs on smartphones days after exempting them. So I just got to tell you, it's hard, especially on a podcast that we record two days before we release. Things change multiple times a day in the current moment. We have a quick turnaround also. We do, considering. So that's the best we can do for now. If we're wrong, I'm sorry. We try our best. Cool. I have two other updates that have come that might be updated slightly to tariffs.

11:42Heck yes. Cool. There's a leaker named Billy Bill Coon. I don't know if I'm pronouncing that correctly, but that's their username. And it's going around that he's found some things about switch to pre-order dates opening in Canada and the US. So that's one thing we've worried about. If it got delayed because of that, what's happening. But it seems pretty soon that Canada might open up on April 23rd and we might see in the U.S. pre-orders opening sometime between the 21st and the 30th, which is next week, right? It's a week long. Hopefully we'll be able to talk about it next week. I think the most interesting thing there other than actually pre-ordering is not what it'll cost.

12:21Exactly. That's what I'm just so curious. If those are the pre-order dates and the price doesn't change, I forgot if I asked y 'all already. Are you pre-ordering? Did you say you would? Or you were just going to wait? I went from duh to maybe. Okay. So maybe that's not a pre-order that's like just waiting and maybe. I feel like it would probably be smart because I'm probably not going to be one of the people that just like wants to play the new games immediately. So it might be like a down the line when it's discounted maybe I'll get something. Blackfinity. I'll get one. Yeah. Like the console's discounted?

12:56Yeah. I think I'm going to be the first time I happen to see it sitting in physical stock. at like a store and just be like yeah i mean they're probably gonna walk into like a target or a store you don't expect because they're gonna be sold out from all the obvious places but then you'll see at a random like barnes and noble and be like ah i'm gonna buy a switch 2 today i really i want to i want to hold it that's the annoying thing i would like to actually hold it and see how it feels and see if i because i have an oled i have a switch oled so i would like to be like is this worth the higher refresh rate better build quality for a different type of screen yeah that is interesting so i when i went to my hands-on came directly from my regular switch non-oLED yeah this i mean that's a huge and it was a night and day difference yeah much bigger screen higher refresh rate and all that but i could distinctly tell it was not an oled yeah and i kind of feel like coming from a switch oled i would be in the same place as you i would be less likely to jump yeah fast the oled has a bigger screen it has small much smaller bezels it is a little bit thinner it has way better build quality battery it's got a way it's a bigger battery that lasts longer it's got a way better kickstand that arguably i mean i have not touched the new kickstand but it seems better than the than the switch to kickstand i think they're both just as good as far as like full width and like range of motion and they just hold in place yeah yeah so so the big things for me are like i mean i don't use my switch that often so i i probably shouldn't be one of the day you know that's just like launching into the consumerism for no reason can i ask you say you want to hold it i haven't been to the electronics department in a store in a long time but do they still do the like not yet well not yet but i'm saying will they do it like tethered do they still have the like tethered console where you have to look like eight feet up in the air and crack your neck just to watch it i don't think they do that in like i don't think i think you were just a child but it was the tv was always on the top of the display with everything yeah yeah so like even now would be above my head it's like the pinnacle of that subreddit of like tv's too high okay but if you find that let me know because i'm curious if it actually is too high or if you just remember it i think it's both i i think because it was angled down i remember that so even as an adult you have to do kind of like this i think they'll probably have well the joy cons if they can have that same tethered setup because in the hands-on area they had tethered uh switch twos and you could not remove the joy cons so everything was like kind of locked in if they could do that in a store i think they would yeah if you go to the nintendo store in manhattan they have them available for you to try wait really switch twos well when i was there it was the other switch but everything is completely tethered do you think with it like okay let's say these leaks are true or these rumors are true that it does pre-orders come out next week and they're the same price do we think it's the same price or do we think it changed because that feels it was weird that it got delayed but this isn't that delayed off the riff so like is that enough time to find a new price for it especially when yeah everything's moving all over the place i kind of feel like it's still going to be$4.99?

15:55I think it is going to stay the same price because, one, Nintendo already has a bunch in the United States they said. Two, they are, I heard they were allocating like, so they produce a number of them in China and a number of them in Vietnam. And I heard that they had just, the Vietnam tariffs got basically cut down to just the base 10%. And I think, I heard that they are going to be using basically all of the ones in Vietnam for the United States because of this whole situation so i don't think that they would up the price and then also i think they're like okay we have enough allocation for the first wave of people that want them and all of this will probably be settled by june maybe hopefully i don't know we'll see i mean i think that's a fair thing if i had to guess anything pre-orders come out same price where we see the difference is like a huge delay in first wave to like second wave yeah of like totally getting them in stores like two to three months i could see a really really hard to get these if you yeah yeah yeah yeah so other tariff news well other update that might be related which is almost definitely but not allegedly according to me um the oneplus watch 3 which we talked about it's a very good watch a lot of people really liked it and it was at a pretty good uh price remember it had$329 $329 which is very good price it had a misprint on the back where it said meta in China instead of made in China in tiny fine print that you had to go check to see yeah and people called it out and OnePlus freaked out and decided to yeah it's me people I treated it I wouldn't want to be at fault for what they did to it look I put it out there they took it off shelves and they had a delay and they were like actually this is going to ship in april i was like okay uh now it's shipping again and now it's 500 so it went up a hundred and seventy dollars which is like 50 price increase many reporters have been asking what's the deal what's the deal with the tariffs and uh and oneplus is just not not not answering at all so they're not they're not saying we're raising the price because of tariffs we're doing this this this they're just like it's 500 now guys and it's a very good wear os watch i don't know if it's a 500 wear os watch but 329 it was a super good wear os watch fascinating so that's that's a fun tariff story so maybe so there's like three possibilities here of of what i'm imagining could have happened one is the tariffs affecting the price and then they're just accounting for that in the new price yeah two is it went on sale and it didn't sell as well as they expected and so when they took it down and brought it back they're bringing it back in lower volume and therefore a higher individual unit cost and therefore are pricing that in or possibility number three it was crushing and tons of people buying them a 329 couldn't keep it on the shelf and so while they did take it off the shelf to fix the typo they brought it back and increased the price to control to account for that supply and demand do you think there's an option of it's selling exactly the same but to make up for the cost of presumably thousands of watches that can't be sold anymore because of the typo yeah this is to recuperate cost a bit my question also becomes did they just replace the bottom plate or Or did they throw away all the watches they made and then just make new ones?

19:39They're all boxed and everything. It's manufactured, assembled, boxed, packaged, sealed, probably wholesale shipped already. I don't know what happens to this. I 100 % would have kept it. I would have thought that was funny and a cooler watch. I did keep it. You did keep it, right? Yeah. I'm wondering if any of our listeners are someone who said, I want to return this and get the... I forget. Did they promise you'll get a new watch at the price you paid already? or did you get your refund and could order it again? Because if I saw, oh my gosh, now I have to spend 50 % more just to have two letters switched around, I would be pretty upset.

20:14Especially that they're underneath. They're touching your skin all the time. You literally can't even see it. I believe they made up for it with customers. Yeah, OnePlus says they can get a free replacement if they received the meta version and are bothered with it. I want to talk about one more micro story before we take a break. Like TikTok is getting its own version of community notes in the US. So these are called footnotes and you can apply to be a footnotes contributor where you effectively leave little community notes on the platform. Probably good. I mean, this is one thing that I think Twitter has done well.

20:53It's like the only thing that they have added to the media ecosystem, even though it gave Meta an ability to just not do any fact checking and say, we're just going to do community notes instead. And they won't accept me as a community notes author. Yeah. I've applied like six times. Second best thing Twitter's ever done. Do they say why? No. There is a lot of misinformation spread around on TikTok. Notably, one of my therapists told me that there is way too much fake therapy stuff that gets spread on TikTok from people who are not licensed and don't know what they're talking about. So it's probably good that people, you know, can go in and actually fact check things, especially because people just share things that they see all the time without doing any research on them it is a big challenge like i my experience with community notes is not heavy but i remember like wikipedia has you know has a similar system where people can edit things that they see incorrect and then like add citations things like that and that even that is incorrect all the time and needs more citation and people kind of just edit things that aren't necessarily true yeah i would know and so twitter and social media is like a real time version of that where everyone is fact checking everyone and things are swaying back and forth oftentimes both wrong and it's hard to it's hard to have a correct solution for all of this yeah and i think companies like tiktok and twitter have identified this as probably the cheapest way of having fact checking on their site but it's not necessarily the most accurate thing yeah yeah a way that they're trying to get that accuracy up is that basically you can leave a footnote and then other people can vote on whether or not that footnote was helpful so it's like there's a fact checker person that's fact checking and then other people have to fact check the fact checker yeah to make sure that you're not just like spreading misinformation for fun which is a good idea but it's still just a popularity contest until everyone wants to spread misinformation for fun that's true which you know if we know anything about the internet yeah people do love doing that i'm interested in the the only screenshot they show is the page to become a footnote contributor i want to know where this pops up like video like is there something that comes up at the bottom like there may be inaccurate information is this in the comment section which is nice but also like i think that's i would argue with the content yeah like 80 percent of the people watching a tiktok don't go into the comments and tiktok comments mostly never have anything to do with the actual really it's been a while since i've been there but every time i would like watch a video and want to know something more about it and see the comments it would just be like i don't understand this what's going on and like 50 comments just making fun of the person for not understanding that's interesting i could be wrong so we can cut this but i think harper was talking about how the tiktok comment section is like dynamic and so the comments you see might not be the same as the comments someone else sees that's true about a lot yeah yeah so i don't know if the footnotes will be you know available to everyone i don't really know how that'll be different but well it says after it meets the standard of helpful it will be visible to the community yeah so like twitter you know it almost like quote tweets itself right and puts the community note on the bottom but in videos where there's not a lot of text there's a description that's usually cut off where would this pop up it's a good question like on the video or do you have to go into the comments or the description to see it well anyway we do have a lot more to talk about but we should take a quick break so let's do trivia i was good i was thinking on that note because like a community note oh that's a that's pretty good no on that foot thank you so guys we talked about beats cables earlier in this episode and i thought this story was so funny because one of the big selling points of beats back in the day first wave beats was that their cables came from what audiophile oriented cable supplier uh i remember old beats you said old Beats were.

24:46This was advertised. This was like, hey, Beats headphones use cables. I think I might have made a video about this. Maybe not entirely about it, but I definitely have mentioned it. I'm sure you did because you did something. Yeah, I did a video. You've been doing Beats on and off for years. Yeah, a lot of Beats coverage over the years. Okay. Well, hopefully I'm remembering correctly. That's the first video I ever saw from you, by the way. Which one? The Truth About Beats by Dre. The Truth About Beats by Dre. It went viral on Reddit. I was sitting in my friends. It was the top of Reddit. I remember that.

25:16I was sitting on my friend's couch that I was living at at the time. Where were you when it dropped? I remember. Literally, it's burned into my memory. I don't really know why. Anyway. Okay, well, we'll think about that one. The answer will be at the end like usual. And we'll be right back.

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27:57All right, welcome back. We're going to talk about everyone's favorite company. What? Beats by Dre. Again? Sorry. Meta. Not Meta in China. Meta. Meta. The company. Wow, we're doing segues everywhere in this episode. I don't know if it's a segue if it's this far after that. I count it. I'll call it probably Facebook for most of this because a lot of what we're going to talk about is in the Facebook days. Which is so funny. It is. They're in the midst of an antitrust lawsuit in the U.S. In fact, this week, Mark Zuckerberg is taking the stand to defend himself and his meta company against the FTC.

28:30And we're quickly going to talk about it because it really reminds me of when we talked about the Google antitrust case. But if you want like the real in-depth live coverage of it, Lauren Feiner at The Verge is always the one who's down in D.C. covering all of these cases. And I'll link it in the description, but she has this great page that's just like pretty much everything about this in order. and if you really want to dive into it, she's the one to go to. So what they're going over right now in the core case is if Meta Facebook was creating scenarios where they'd stifle competition versus Facebook and antitrust, monopoly.

29:05So the two main things it seems that they're focusing on is purchasing Instagram, which they did for a billion dollars in 2012, and also purchasing WhatsApp for$19 billion in 2014. What we're discovering during this time is a bunch of leaked emails, which is always the fun part of these cases. And a lot of them seem to be done, or a lot of the things we're seeing is that these purchases were made to, quote unquote, neutralize the competition. Because at the time when they bought Instagram, Facebook was working on a camera app and they were doing a lot of photo stuff. And Mark Zuckerberg in an email just said, it'd be better to buy them.

29:41In fact, there's an email in 2008 that has been referenced a bunch of times already this week where he literally just says, it's better to buy than to compete which i feel like that quote in an antitrust lawsuit case is pretty damn pretty straightforward i okay yeah i my take on this it feels like we have one of these cases like every year and uh yeah is the i've definitely said this in videos before but companies this big always whenever they make any public facing decision especially acquiring a but any product decision they always will be ready with a public facing reason and a behind the scenes reason for why they're doing it yeah and both can be true at the same time right so i don't know for if you're if you're apple and you're removing the headphone jack for example universally everyone's like wow they're doing that to just like you know charge wireless you know charge for wireless headphones but also up front they're saying courage and they're saying things like more room inside the phone etc both can be true at the same time but you know you might feel a certain way about one of those reasons this is like we are seeing very blatantly the behind the scenes reason for facebook acquiring instagram uh it's better to buy than to compete okay well there it is but also the public reason is things like oh there's so much competition in the video space and they do well with video and we're never going to be as big as youtube but this is our chance at being youtube's competition whatever they're all true at the same time it's kind of like uh ellis might appreciate this sga deserves mvp this year he deserves it he's on a 68 win team historically good he's led the league in points he i think he's top three in steals he's an incredible defender he's just having a historically good leading campaign on a very young team best player best team he deserves mvp okay i like that argument yokich deserves mvp this year he's averaging a triple double he's had a historic uh statistical season his on-off splits are ridiculous without him the nuggets are a basement dollar team yeah he had a 60 like 2010 game or something crazy this year like he clearly deserves mvp can i ask which one's the monopoly in this analogy?

32:00I'm saying both are true at the same time. What is SVG? SGA. I did that. I thought it was an audio company. SVG is a... I thought that's what you said. SGA. SGA is NBA player. Is the MVP? Wait, he's a player? He's not an actor? Okay, back up. Back up. The NBA season just ended this week. Oh, really? And at the end of the regular season... Did someone win? Well, it's the regular season. Then the playoffs are going to start and all the best teams will compete for the championship. But the regular season is over. Okay. And once the regular season is over, all of the voting for the regular season awards happens.

32:33So about 100 media members, coaches, et cetera, get ballots and get to officially cast ballots to vote for who they think should win each award. One of them is the MVP. And this regular season has been one of the tightest MVP races ever because typically there's kind of one runaway historic. Like this guy had an amazing year. Give him the MVP. I don't want anybody else considered. Somebody else might get a few votes here and there, but it's got to be this one person. This year, there are two players who, if you ask those teams' fan bases, this guy deserves it. I don't want to hear it about anyone else.

33:09And that is Shea Gillis-Alexander for the Oklahoma City Thunder. And that is Nikola Jokic on the Denver Nuggets. Who was the guy that did the thing where he did the multiple things that's hard to do at the same time? I was telling you about the 30-20-20 game. Yeah, we talked about that. That was Jokic this year. he had a couple historic games like that so it should be him right historically great player and he deserves it yeah okay he deserves it i guess my my tangent here is just to get back on track is uh both things are true at the same time and even though i might like one of the arguments more than the other you can kind of just assume there are both true and that's what court is for yeah so court's gonna decide court's gonna decide if one of those reasons is unfair or more true than the other or you know whatever so that's i think they will find that yes there were anti-competitive motivations behind a lot of those things what do they decide to do about it i think the super tldr version is yeah they're you know the fcc is trying to prove that they're taking up you know they're they've got way too much of a monopoly in the social media space especially with buying those two and and it's weird because back then it was kind of a stifle and neutralism now that's weird to say because whatsapp and instagram are like two of the largest social media apps but it's still all owned by meta with facebook i mean meta's thing has always been let us buy you or we will destroy you that has literally been the that's always been their thing here's a question though when they bought instagram it wasn't nearly as monopoly-ish and massive and now it is and so they've grown into this thing and kind of similar with whatsapp it was huge already but now it's even bigger yeah and so are are they more like punishing for successful growth of those companies or were they buying their way into a guaranteed monopoly back then?

34:49What could happen here though, which is why I think it's similar to, remember when the Google antitrust one, they might have to get rid of Chrome. Which is still possible. It's still possible. Yeah. This could end in the sense of meta getting rid of or having to get rid of WhatsApp or Instagram. Yeah, which is also ironic because there was another email that surfaced where Zuck said, maybe we should spin off Instagram into a separate company because historically companies that are separate from the giant companies actually grow more and do better. And he had said that a number of years ago in an email, and now he is defending why they shouldn't have to do that.

35:26This is litigation between a government and a company worth hundreds of billions of dollars. So who knows when we'll see a result from this. But I think it was interesting to bring up because we covered the Google stuff. And again, there's lots of other reporters dealing with government processes and court cases like this that get really deep into it. Yeah. And I highly suggest following them. Can I throw to an article that I thought was really, really good about this exact topic? Sure. Please. It's a Wall Street Journal article called Inside Mark Zuckerberg's Failed Negotiations to End Antitrust Case.

36:00It's in the Wall Street Journal. It was written by Dana Mattioli, Rebecca Ballhaus, and Josh Dawsey. And there is one really baller quote in it from former secretary, not secretary, former head of the FTC, Lena Kahn, and that is mark bought his way out of competing so i'm not surprised that he thinks he could buy his way out of law enforcement too bar also you know i was thinking about just like meta's whole thing being like what do you mean we're anti-competitive like we're just doing business stuff and i think two sort of unrelated things that point to like okay bro is um i don't know if you remember all those news stories in wall street journal and also weirdly in like the new york post about meta engineers in 2022 and 2023 being hired and explicitly told to do nothing so that they couldn't work at other companies i mean every yeah every company that's like a huge joke in the silicon valley show it is but also like come on and then also uh if you go to evan spiegel ceo of snapchat's linkedin his bio says vp of product at meta yeah because they just steal so many of Snap's ideas.

37:11It is very funny. He did that a few weeks ago, yeah. Anyway, like we said, there are many better reporters than us covering the story in real time, so you should go check them out. Yeah, like that Wall Street article. Shout out to that article and also Lauren and Finer at The Verge. They have a live blog literally just in real time detailing what's happening at the trial, so you can go check that out. Speaking of competition, mmm, mmm, mmm. We got there eventually. Chipolo has launched. Chipotle. Massive tech company, Chipolo. Well, I guess this ties into Google and Apple. So competition for AirTags and other Find My devices.

37:45Chipolo has famously made a couple products in this category, but they are launching pop tags, which support both Google's Find My network and Apple's Find My network in the same product, which is very cool. They previously sold different devices, different tags that supported one or the other that you could buy. right um and notably chipolo was sort of the first company to adopt find my after the whole tile v apple situation that we made a video about called uh apple versus the paradox of choice and uh now they're supporting both find my device from google and apple find my which is very cool so you can only use one or the other at a time so you know yeah you can't like have your iphone connected to this tag and also have your friend's or your spouse's Android phone connected to the tag at the same time.

38:34Wait, let's make it simpler. Marques has both an iPhone and an Android phone. Yeah. This Chipotle pop tag could not be findable by both phones. By both phones. Oh, okay. For some reason. Okay. Like Apple does support multiple people having access to the same Find My Device object through iOS 18 or whatever. but yeah you can't be using an android phone and an and an iphone and be using it for both here's my question do you do you have to choose which network it's on it uses but it has the technology for both when you set it up for one it cannot be set up for the other at the same but what andrew's asking is if you put it on the find apples find my network yeah and then you take you lose your keys in a country solely with android devices and no apple devices you goofed will you not be able to see the location no well oh so it only uses one of those networks at a time yeah well here's my question i have an android phone i can use the chipolo app on my android phone but i want the chip to connect to the find my network in the u.s because there's more iphones i don't know you can do that oh yeah this sucks it probably has to do with a radio thing because they're pinging devices all the time and if it was pinging two sets of radio frequencies all the time it would die much faster okay i guess it doesn't suck sorry it's still cool this would be cream of the crop if it could hit both if it could hit both or i could pick which one because guessing that's against the terms of service to at least one of them which seems anti-competitive yeah right remember that yeah so there's yeah remember the lawsuit google yeah so there's there's other benefits to this they extended the wi-fi range so it used to be 200 feet on their previous tags is now 300 feet which is very cool you can also use them as camera shutters which is interesting i think that's why they call them chipotle pops because i think that they have like a button wait that's awesome which is dope that is really dope so they have a little more functionality than uh than just an air tag and it also has ip55 water and dust resistance it comes in multiple colors it comes in like these bright neon type colors like yellow and green and red which should be easier to see with your eyes which would be nice so anyway i think this is kind of nice for people who are thinking of maybe eventually switching to a different mobile phone yeah which is kind of nice and also um you know maybe they're probably more likely to go on like bigger sale than air tags are because apple devices don't go on super sale that often so this is the perfect device for adam because he's constantly switching between devices that's true Adam switches from Android to iOS like every other week.