Pixel 10 Leak Shows it Has Three Cameras?

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30:24All right, welcome back. Andrew Marquez David I've got a riddle for you what is black and white and orange all over but not all over just in between black and white probably not the CMF watch 3 pro because it'll probably come in in a different color than it looks online like every other product good answer that was exactly it how'd you know we've got new cheap to talk about you've probably heard of the CMF Watch 2 Pro Watch Pro 2 I hate everything yes the name is different it was Watch 2 Watch Pro 2 and this is the Watch 3 Pro I'm not kidding what if there are multiple watches Watches 3 Pro well CMF the color material finished the sub brand of the cheap sub-brand of the cheap company that is no longer cheap anymore.

31:30You're doing great, sweetie. Nothing. Has released a$99, currently$79, because it's early sales, smartwatch called the CMF Watch 3 Pro. It has a 1.43-inch OLED display with a 10 % increase in screen-to-body ratio from the Watch 2. And it comes in three colors, and it can do chat GPT for some reason. so the colors are what actually confuse me the most here so the colors are dark gray, light gray and orange but if you notice the styles in all of those colors are also different yeah these are just three different watches these are just three completely different watches style wise so the orange is actually a dark gray bezel and like metal piece which with some orange accents a flat bezel that's kind of notched with the orange then the dark gray No, wait.

32:22Sorry, that was the orange color. That's actually dark gray. Then the dark gray is just kind of a lighter gray. So it's like middle gray. It's like the middle porridge. And it looks angled, not flat, maybe? I think it's kind of flat, but it has no notches. Right. And it has a little etch in the bottom left that says CMF by nothing. And then light gray is a lighter gray, but it's kind of got a beveled or curved design. It's not flat. Perhaps you can call it a lip. A lip. Yeah, a lip is a good way. Yeah. They also took out the swappable bezels from the last one. And this is like, this is now nothing.

33:02Not nothing. This is now CMF going back on a lot of replaceable parts. Like we talked about how the, what is the phone with the replaceable back parts? CMF phone. And the other one that we talked about two weeks ago. Fairphone? Fairphone. The Fairphone 6 has those replaceable back parts now. And then the CMF Phone 1 also had the replaceable back parts. And when they released the CMF Phone 2, most of them were not compatible with the CMF Phone 2. And now they're kind of doing the same thing with the watch, where they introduce a new sort of replaceable, swappable paradigm, but they don't keep it going, which kind of sucks.

33:42It's just a lot of e-waste. It's a lot. CMF makes some really cool looking things, but a lot of the stuff they do kind of makes you scratch your head. One of them being calling it the Watch Pro 2 and then the Watch 3 Pro. Yeah. It feels like that's just like that is CMF in a nutshell. Yeah. They does have dual band GPS though, which is kind of interesting. That's a feature that we're only seeing in like higher end smartwatches these days. It's got good stuff. I mean, it's what, 13 days of battery life, although it says under typical usage, which is 11 days with heavier tracking and 4.5 days with always on display.

34:17I mean, that's still good. It's still good. For a smartwatch. For sure. It says it charges 100 % in 99 minutes. There is an AI-powered coaching what everybody's asking for these days. It's the new rage. Everyone's doing that now. But nobody wants it. We don't know if anybody wants it because nobody's asked for it, but maybe it's good. I feel like Apple just announced it at DubDub and then Samsung was like, make that fast, make that fast, make that fast. Yeah, write that down. Write that down. And then now CMF wants to do it. I wonder if anyone likes that. I mean, we're going to find out this year.

34:49This will be the year we find out. And then next year, they'll either all disappear and no one will hear from them again or they'll be everywhere. I think it's going to be the former. Yeah. We'll see. Yeah. Okay. The other thing is that now you will be using the NothingX app to control the watches. And I believe the previous watches will also be transitioning to the NothingX app. That's nice, at least, because the headphones also use the app. It is nice. oh the cmf sorry the nothing headphone one i agree that doing it all in one app is nice it's just weird that this is the cmf stuff that's now doing the nothing things yep cmf's doing nothing nothing tries so hard to be trendy and i feel bad talking smack because i do appreciate how hard they try right like so much harder than everyone else but they try so hard and make so little sense all the time that when you say nothing x app instead of x representing the interchange of all their products it just sounds like nothing is collaborating with a company called app yeah with oh yeah with x like the nothing x app yeah well speaking of nothing uh we saw a random post from essential which if you remember the essential brand the essential ph1 was one of the greatest phones ever created one of the most acidic phones ever created too interesting yeah um yeah so uh famously andy rubin's phone company it was supposed to be sort of like the pinnacle of what android could be it had a beautiful design it was one of the first teardrop notch phones it didn't have a headphone jack and they added like a little pogo pin adapter to add a headphone jack which was really lame but it had a DAC in it anyway it was really really cool it was a really cool company and then they just disappeared sort of out of nowhere because they kind of like ran out of money they also launched on sprint in the united states which was the stupidest thing you could possibly do yep uh and then just paid for a long time and then in 2021 uh carl pay bought the brand and allegedly nothing was originally going to be called essential they were just going to take over the brand and then they didn't and they called it nothing so They've just done nothing with the Essential brand.

36:58Yeah, I kind of forgot that they owned that brand. Yeah. Well, did they really announce it much back then? I think it was just a report. I feel like they just started talking about it in the last couple months. Yeah, they didn't really announce it or do anything with it. He did a video a month ago about why they bought it, and what was cool about it is someone who works at Nothing Now has the old Project Gem, the second phone they were going to release, the really skinny one. If you have a chance to watch the video, the funniest thing is the keyboard because in order to fit the keyboard so for anyone who doesn't know project gem was an extremely thin phone like a four by one aspect ratio yeah um and in order to fit the keyboard it basically had to like diagonally go across the screen from left bottom to right upwards to fit everything and it took like three quarters of the screen up to just put an entire keyboard yeah and um it's very funny go watch that video if you want to see what Project Gem could have been.

37:53But possibly in one of the biggest letdowns of all time, we see this post on Twitter that's just print Hello World from the Essential account. And everyone's like, oh my God, it's Essential coming back. Are they going to make another Essential phone? It's going to be amazing. Because everyone forgot that nothing had bought them. And then they just started posting about Essential Space, which is like the key on the new nothing phones. That's what that is. It adds your stuff to the Essential Space. it's called the essential key and it's like wow you really you really took a really amazing brand and you just used it for an ai feature that nobody really likes therefore i probably wouldn't take the brand name they did the phone was really cool and in hindsight it was but it was getting memed on so hard because they called it the essential phone right in the peak of and they took out getting rid of the headphone jack that's true like everyone was like what the headphone jack's not essential and back then that was a crazier thing and also andy rubin just didn't have the best record well which kind of really killed the company he did until yes stuff happened and then the the gem phone came out like right around when he got in trouble and exposed so that was fun so yeah i probably would also get but it was a weird thing for them to tweak from the account yeah yeah yeah everyone got all stoked and then they were just like you can integrate to google calendar with the essential key and everyone's like oh no sad yeah i want the essential space to get better i've talked about it in every new phone review i've done for a nothing phone just to see like how they've improved it over the time that it's been out and it it still doesn't sync anywhere so i have this thing where i save links and i save things that i want to remember later and but i use actually right now i use raindrop.io which is multi-platform but the whole point is i can access it from anywhere.

39:42I can access it from my computer. I can save things from my computer. I can access stuff from my phone, save things from my phone. And this is a kind of useful tool, but it only works on your phone and only pulls from the stuff you've saved earlier on your phone. So if you have any other devices that you save stuff from, it won't show up here. So my number one ask for this is for it to get backed up somewhere. Maybe I can just access it from a browser or something that just, that would make it a multitude more useful for me. And then from there it can just be the place that i dump stuff that i want to remember later that's kind of cool they can add features there it could be useful add calendar events whatever but yeah every time they announce a new phone i go oh it's still getting better but i'm still not going to use it because i can only use it on my phone yeah yeah which theoretically google should have the ability to do all of those things because they have all your calendar data and all your drive and all your gmail data i was just gonna say isn't that just the google suite like everything you just described.

40:37That's the possibility of the Google sweep. Well, yeah. I haven't actually done anything like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which is why all these new AI browsers are popping up like OpenAI is reportedly working on their own browser. And the whole perplexity has comment. The whole value chain of that is that if you're talking to the AI model all the time, it learns more about you so the browser can be more personalized. But Google's had the opportunity to do that for a really long time and they haven't done it, which is very fun. I mean, I don't know how you would train a model like that so this could be a stupid question but doesn't google already have all that information like why do i need to continually talk to it again like it already really do yeah i just think that they probably are trying to try to find a line between privacy and figuring out how to much of your data to use and then also it's google yeah and that's kind of answer i feel like they kind of were on to something a long time ago but then never really finished it remember google now remember when now on tap yeah now on tap which was and then they added like on-screen stuff but basically the idea was oh we're google we know all the stuff about you we see your calendar we see your gmail so when you wake up in the morning google now is going to tell you what you need to know right now which is oh there's a little extra traffic on your way to work because i know where you work and i know how long it takes for you to get to work and when you typically leave so leave 10 minutes earlier and you'll get there on time and here's the things you're going to do when you get to work and here's the calendar events and how you need to go from thing to think and it it that that idea of like knowing everything about you and being helpful for you is is useful it's helpful and yeah gemini could do some more of that i think but in general right now it's kind of not yeah basically the best gemini feature now is to take a screenshot and have it add it to your calendar which is good yeah but same thing that siri same thing visual intelligence does on the iphone yeah if you use apple calendar yeah yeah yeah i feel like Google now got so watered down and just put into like the little pixel widget that's on like the top left.

42:35It was so useful for so long. Yeah. It went away. Anyway. Speaking of Google. Nice. As usual. That's all I added to that conversation. That's nice. I was reading about Raindrop IO. It looks pretty cool. It's great. It sounds pretty cool. I just dumped links in there. It's just like a save for later kind of place. Basically. You remember Pocket? Yeah. Yeah. Oh. You know how Pocket's kind of like going away? Yeah. So I switched to this. didn't pocket they made a new pocket called like folio or something too oh the people i need to try that too yeah probably i think that was because pocket had an app that was native on a bunch of platforms i had the pocket app on my phone my tablet the browser extension everything so anytime i need to say something for later i just put it in my pocket and now that that is like going away raindrop io is essentially that pocket has such better branding though it is put it in my pocket It's so dope.

43:24It's perfect. Yeah. What are you going to say with Raindrop? Put it in my raindrop.io. Yeah, I don't love saying that out loud. I put it in my bucket. Not a great verb. Vultpec did a whole song about it. In my back pocket? In my back pocket. It's true. But yeah, I use Raindrop now and it's about the same thing. Speaking of Google. Yes, okay. So Google has been notoriously bad at keeping things a secret. At this point, I'm afraid to ask why. I don't know why. things just leak for like months before they come out for google uh so they're even announced yeah before they're even like confirmed to be real products yeah so uh google started owning that in the past couple years they've like poked fun at that they've started like revealing things before the leaks can even do it or whatever they're doing this now with the pixel 10 they've just shown us the design of the pixel 10 which is only a design you know we don't know the specs we don't know the price there are other things that they can announce later great that'll probably also leak but whatever yeah but what they're showing us is the design is the pixel 10 and what's interesting here is one it's basically the pixel 9 yeah a little bit of a different like titanium-ish color two uh if this is in fact a pixel 10 because there's a nice little 10 second video that they're showing us which is like they're unveiling it if this is in fact the pixel 10 and not the 10 Pro then confirmed triple cameras on the base Pixel 10 which is a nice upgrade which I think we've mentioned this on a previous episode makes it even more challenging to distinguish it between the 10 and the 10 Pro.

44:57What are they going to do on the 10 Pro that's not on the 10 if there's triple cameras on the 10? Fresh rate stuff maybe. Well. Brighter screen. We might have some rumors. Okay. I want full speculation on this. Okay. I even created a theory. Let's hear the theory. Okay, so. Create a theory. You sounded so proud. We talked about that. I even created it. I need to make Google leaks interesting because they happen every damn day. So like you said, there's a 10 second video that showed the, it just said 10 and a Pixel with three cameras. So we're hoping, I'm hoping personally, a base model 10 with a telephoto.

45:30Yeah. Then Google India tweets this different ad that says, ask more of your phone, Google Pixel 10 Pro. It's the same exact phone render. It has the exact lens flare coming off of the visor. It's in a little different scenario. So then I'm like, oh no, this is just the 10 Pro. It doesn't have 10. But Android Headlines has done a bunch of different leaks to the point where it seems like they have the camera specs, which might help us understand the different, if there are three on the base, what the difference is. And that is that the base phone will be using Pixel 9a sensors for everything, where the 10 Pro and 10 Pro XL will have upgraded sensors.

46:14That is so hard to sell. So they both have triple cameras, but the Pro has better triple cameras. Correct. Regular people are not going to care. This is funny. Yeah. But I don't think that matters. I agree. I hate to ding them for that because I think in the world of people deeply researching their phones, they will realize that that's probably something that is worth it if you take a lot of pictures and photos and videos and all that. but that is very hard for the regular person to understand. Oh, there's triple cameras on this one, and there's triple cameras on this one. Okay, I guess I'll just save my money and get the 10.

46:49Yeah. I would argue most people, if they said there's two cameras on this and three on the other, they would be like, what does that do? I think most people know that you get the ultra-wide or you get the zoom. I don't think most people know what an ultra-wide really does. The.5x. Most people just call it the.5x, I guess. but if you get the extra camera that means it'll do better when you zoom basically and if they both have that better zoom then what's the point of upgrading to the pro if they both have it i don't think google's trying to get people to upgrade to the pro that's kind of how it feels yeah like i just want anyone to wait maybe this is maybe this is kind of hero work maybe they're just doing the best possible base phone and then they're like the pro phones whatever we don't care that much about those but we want to make the best what if they just call them the pro phones but there's nothing different and they charge$300 more.

47:39That's actually what's happening. I think you could argue the opposite way of it almost being nefarious of let's just throw three on the bottom phone, but they're not as good, but no one's going to know the difference between good cameras, bad cameras. They just see three bigger number. How do we know that that's the regular one and not the pro? We don't. We don't. Shouldn't we assume it's the pro then if it has three cameras? Because that's what it's always meant. Well, India posted that it's the pro. India poses the Pro, but there have been tons of rumors of the base having a third camera to the point of like specs coming out.

48:12Got you. Google India account, not the country of India. Well, so that was my theory that Google's trying to confuse us with their own leaks now. By putting one as the 10 and one as the 10 Pro and being like, now you don't know. Our leaks are so bad. Maybe if we leak four, you'll be more confused. I think the real answer is whoever runs the Google India account doesn't talk to the person who runs the Made by Google account and just tweeted that it's the 10 Pro and oops, they just told everyone it's the 10 Pro. Yeah. So let's see. Who thinks there will be three cameras on the base 10? I think there will be two cameras on the base.

48:47Well, according to these Android Headlines renders, because they have renders of four of the colors, which are god awful, by the way. Totally disagree. Okay. I love these colors. Lemoncello. Amazing. Okay. It's not. If that's the color of lobster blood, I will admit it is freakier than crabs. It looks like piss. It's sick piss though. Sure. Okay. And then we've got Frost, which is kind of like a very, very, very muted blue. It's actually like the same color as the MacBook Air blue. It's barely blue. Barely blue. You've got Indigo, which is like a deep blue, which is actually quite nice. That one's fire.

49:30And Obsidian which is just black. But well it's grey. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. That's the one. Hell yeah. Go on. Alright well you know black technically yeah okay whatever. Yo they got that in grey? It absorbs everything. You got that in grey? It is all loose. Usually they do the worst like the more insane colors for the cheaper models. That's a very good point. So I would imagine that these are the cheaper models because I don't see Google selling a piss-colored pro phone? I can't wait. I'm pre-ordering that now. Because these are bright-colored phones, these are probably the base phones, and they appear to have triple cameras, therefore triple cameras on the base phones.

50:14That would be my speculation. We've all learned that pro people are not allowed to have fun colors. That's true. They're probably going to have a black and a white for the pro, and that'll be it. Hell yeah. Yeah, I'm into that. You can't be a pro and have fun at the same time. No. Apple's proved that. Oh, you know, you just put a skin on it. That's all. Adam, did you say that there was a piss-colored pro phone before? They've had a very similar to this. Yeah, I don't know if it was pro. It was like a 6. Yeah, 6 or 6A, one of those. It was like a yellow-ish. It was Lemoncello. Pro? No, not a pro.

50:48I don't think it was a pro. Similarly colored to this weird. Lemongrass. I think it was called Lemongrass. Yeah, that sounds right. Yeah, but that was a regular model. yeah I do love it told you I already got you on my side oh wait sorry I was looking at the old one I was looking at the old one the old one the lemongrass was nice this one is like it's like if piss fell into like a nuclear reactor like if you just drank Gatorade for like three weeks the Pixel 7 you were also dehydrated I think it just looks like limoncello I don't know I think it's awesome I kind of like it well anyway I assume that they're the the cheaper ones which would which would also say that there are three cameras on the cheap ones which is anyone here going two cameras on the base not anymore I guess it seems like fire colors for the pros that would be really interesting I mean Michael Fisher will be happy I want I'm hoping three if there's three I think I'm going back to pixel a base pixel you should because I hate Samsung's UI my dude I finally I like their UI I, ever since One UI 7, I've had the weirdest random things that just happen to my phone all the time.

51:57And I'm so sick of it. And they never happened on my Pixel. Dude, Android. I had other problems. The Android 16 beta on my Pixel 9 Pro XL is so nice. It's nice. So nice. Even though it's still buggy and even though it still has terrible battery life, that look of, what are we calling it again? Material 3 Expressive. Yeah, Material 3 Expressive. Awful name. Whatever it's called, it's nice. It's playful, but it's still clean. It's not too messy. Being an Android user is such a toxic relationship. I've been having those same bugs, but I refuse to go back because it just looks so good. It does look so good.

52:30So I'm excited for like a final finished clean bugless version of that on this new phone with a TSMC design chip and amazing silicon carbon battery and all this other stuff that's totally not going to happen. Yeah. I mean, it'll have the TSMC chip. I don't know about the silicon carbon battery. We'll see. We'll see. Okay. Well. if i could design my dream pixel it would just be this design that color right give me yeah whatever give me yellow i don't care but give me the great cameras obviously give me super fast charging silicon carbon battery 6 000 milliamp hours and give me like snapdragon 8 elite performance i don't care how you do it tsmc design switch qualcomm whatever you got to do give me great performance and i'm all in and make it a trifle the display is already pretty good trifle not happening.

53:17Google has a lot of work to do. No headphone jack. Yeah, I'm there with the Pixel. I'm right there. Well, I guess we'll see soon because the official event is August 20th. It is coming soon. Which is a Wednesday, so we'll be recording on that day. Nice. Alright. Speaking of trivia... I think that was the wrong button. Whoops. Wrong one. Hold on. There we go. Also, wait. We weren't talking about trivia. Alright. Trivia. So, here's a question for you. I'm going to read a few quick, short reviews of a phone, and you have to tell me what phone it is. Who wrote the reviews? I will tell you. Oh. All right.

53:57From Wired. Positively noted its design, battery life, performance, and stock Android OS, but disliked the camera and built-in speaker. Engadget. Praised its build quality, edge-to-edge display, performance, battery life, and clean build of Android 7.1.1. but criticized the screen's brightness and lack of a headphone jack. I fix it. I already know what the phone this is. Gave the phone a 1 out of 10 in terms of repairability because it is almost impossible to open without freezing and ultimately breaking it. I definitely know what the phone is. Tech reviewer Marques Brownlee gave the phone an award.

54:32Hey, that's cheating. Don't do that. Don't do that. I know what it is already. I already know what it is. We'll see. We'll see if you know what it is. There was a conversation about this this week on the internet. I gave it an award, yeah. I did. I think I remember what the award looks like. What the award looks like? Ooh. I really hope you guys got this one wrong. Yeah, the trophy from that year was different, right? Can I get an extra point for what material the trophy was made out of? No, because you ordered it. Yeah, I was going to say.

55:04Yo, I'll give you an extra point if you want another lobster question. I would love another lobster question. All right, looks like it's a three-question episode, guys. All right, which of the following lobsters are found in U.S. waters? Hit it, Adam. The spiny lobster. It's so early. A, the spiny lobster. B, the true lobster. C, the squat lobster. Or D, the musical furry lobster. The musical furry lobster. That's freaky. What would make a lobster musical? Freaky, right? Wait, why? Because it's furry? Because I sent you a furry crab the other day and said, ain't this furry? Yeah, but is it a musical furry crab?

55:48A furry crab? Yeah. How can anything be furry when it's underwater? Guys, don't Google that question! I was going to say furry crab. No! Be careful. Guys, what do you think the heaviest lobster ever observed in U.S. waters was? This is not for points. 30 pounds. It was 45 pounds. I bet. I was pretty close. We eating good tonight. Jumbo. Yeah, we eating good. Yeah! That's wild. Alright. Right. Well, anyway, we're going to think about the answers to the trivia questions, we swear. And we'll be right back. Thank you.

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58:19Welcome back. This is the last episode that you will be seeing this month, which means it's time for Crown or Clown, our monthly-ish, because we didn't do last month, segment where basically we talked about the best thing that happened in the tech sphere this month and the worst thing. So we're going to go around, talk about our things. Ellis is going to kick us off with a horrible thing. I saw someone do something goofy this week. And, you know, I like to think of myself, I like to think of this room as SeaWorld and myself as Shamu and America's billionaire class as all sitting in the splash zone.

58:53And I will take any opportunity I get to just drench them in embarrassment. And today's goofball moneybag McDookie head is none other than OpenAI CEO Sam Altman, who in the most tone deaf way possible announced that him and Oracle and SoftBank will be increasing their power usage by 4.5 gigawatts. That is the same amount of electricity as around 4 million U.S. households, which would increase the total number of households on the U.S. grid by 3%. Sam, why do you think people are stoked on this? How's the orb doing? Is it more clowns first? I have more clowns. Yeah, do a clown. Drop one. Olaf Gustafsson.

59:44Who's that? Oh, duh. The guy who tried to get away with the Escobar thing who's going to federal prison now. In his defense, he did get away with it for a little bit. The FBI was on his ass for like five years. And also he made like$300 ,000 five years ago. That's not that much money. Yeah. He could have made more money at a tech company. He could have got a job with Meta. That's like an$80 ,000. He could have just worked remote for like five different tech companies at the same time. Yeah. But all that crime bought him a three-bedroom home in Milwaukee. That's true. That's true. Did it? I don't know.

1:00:20That's what I would think. I would assume that is about$300 ,000. I bet that's more expensive. Milwaukee? Adam's Clown Time. I'm looking at four bedrooms for$250 here. Milwaukee's hot. Milwaukee's no hottie. All right. My clown is the Fujifilm X Half. Oh, wow. Yeah. That happened this month. You hated it? I didn't hate it. I just think it's not worth it. Also, wasn't that last month? Well, we didn't do last month. No, that wasn't last month. Because we talked about it this month. Oh, yeah, yeah. We talked about it this month. That's Sony. Is that$5 ,000 Sony A camera? Oh. Well, I need to see it first.

1:00:59Is it RX1R? RX1R 3. 3. I need to use it before I say it's a crown product. Yeah, it could be a crown product. That's fair. That's very fair of you. Thank you. That's correct. Yeah. Fair guy. All right, we want to switch it to crowns? I have one that could be either, and I'll let you guys. Oh, okay. It's not really ambiguous. Fortnite released Fantastic Four skins. Fantastic. can we say that on the pod yeah i'm going there's skins for a game i'm going fantastic four clown for the thing itself crown for that headline for the crap i was gonna go the other way around actually but yeah yeah sure yeah if you want to play like fantastic four i don't see what we're all laughing about did those actually come out or was it a i thought it was like a random everybody was waiting for them i don't want to tell yeah do not google that um my clown was that when apple like removed a bunch of the liquid glass and they made it that was my crown but they have now brought back a lot of the liquid yeah for those who haven't been following this liquid glass at wwdc everywhere everything is clear crystal clear can't read a damn thing it's so beautiful and then they ship this beta to everyone the first developer beta so not everyone developer beta starts getting tested by people and uh yeah it is a kind of a readability disaster right so what happens is in beta 2 when it comes out a few weeks later people download it and they notice oh there's actually a lot of liquid glass backtracking there's a lot more frosted glass here.

1:02:33Wasn't it beta 3 that they added that? And beta 3 even more. Oh yeah even more. So beta 2 and beta 3 they walked back a lot of the liquid glass to the point where it was actually very similar i mean obviously there's lots of still shiny reflective stuff but a lot of the like floating bubbly elements from before now had like a frosted background or had like a gradient behind them to make them more readable then beta 4 comes out and liquid glass is back yeah and they've gone back and they've gotten rid of that gradient and they're going back to a lot of the liquidy stuff and they're still playing with it and some of the like gaussian blur elements happening along with the refraction around the edges it's still liquid glass but they are for sure still tweaking it yeah as of this recording um that was my clown actually my crown oh your crown is that uh liquid glass back nice nice yeah my crown is the fuji xf because i loved using it so why did you hate it then because it's so expensive oh yeah but it's so fun i mean i feel like we're just starting to see now that products are launching we're just starting to see like tariff effects right i feel like the sony and the fuji were both subject to that and that's like why they're so expensive.

1:03:41Everything is feeling drastically overpriced now because of the tariff chaos. And it's not even the fact that there are tariffs in place, because that changes every freaking day. It's the fact that companies can't predict if there's going to be tariffs in place, so they have to price things higher. Safety net. Yeah, it's like safety nets. They're so sad that they have to price everything so high. That's really... We have to make more money if there's no more tariffs. Yeah, okay. So my crown is that the giant insurance company no longer owns our DNA data. And it was sold back to Susan Wojcicki's sister.

1:04:19Yeah. Which is dope. Hopefully. She owned 23andMe, right? So 23andMe, yeah. The old CEO of 23andMe has bought back the data. So no longer, hopefully, will our genetic data be sold to insurance companies for at least a couple more years. Allegedly. Allegedly. I'm sure that it will at some point, but the longer we can starve off these companies from denying my insurance claims the better. She's going to start an AI firm with it. So that was my first crown. My second crown is that we did a live show and it was cool. The live show was awesome. Oh yeah. We're the crown baby. It's like in Mario Kart world when you're in first place and you suddenly have a little crown on.

1:05:01That's how I'm feeling right now. You know what I'm saying? Wait I want to change my crown. Donkey Kong Bonanza.

1:05:09yeah so um we all agree the crown is us right yeah yeah yeah yeah we are tech we are technology what are you thinking about this come on all right yeah no that's fair a lot of work into that he's like i don't know that made a four man yeah i'm still thinking about glass i'm still confused you like that it's going back to not being able to be red i like it no i yeah i like that i can't understand it it's a bit sarcastic but it's kind of just that like liquid if you follow this on online on twitter and threads like people are like rooting for it to be back yeah and then there are other people who are like this is terrible so it's causing so much like commentary it's one of the weird instances of us clearly seeing apple listening to the internet and feedback that they've gotten which is maybe that's kind of nice but it is clearly affecting it's both it looks nice and a sign of the times that like is apple scared a little bit yeah Well, I don't mind that.

1:06:04Like, we can frame it so many different ways. Like, if any other company goes and comes out with a software that looks a little bit janky and we're like, whoa, this is bad. And then through three beta updates in three weeks, it suddenly looks way better. We'd all be like, oh, nice. They're actually listening to us. But if it's Apple, it's like, oh, they're scared. Or maybe they're – we just frame it a different way depending on the company. The reason is because Apple is the company that always said, you don't know what you want. We're going to show you what you want. That is true. And then now they're, like, listening to people on Twitter, which is the worst possible thing to do.

1:06:29This is actually like the fact that they have that they they backtracked on it at first and then people because this is like the perfect encapsulation of the Internet. Right. They announce something. Everyone's like, it's garbage. It's horrible. It's impossible. So that they're like, oh, OK. Mixed in with legit concerns. Change it back to like frost it. And then everyone's like, what the heck? Why did you change it? I was like, because you told me to. Because it's different. I think the fallacy that I find online is because it's coming from the same website, we assume it's all the same people.

1:07:00But it's two different loud groups of people. So there's one really loud group that's like, I hate everything you do. And I just saw this thing you came out with and it sucks. So I'm going to be really loud about how much it sucks. And that group is Twitter. Yeah. Well, that group's on Twitter. And then they go back and they change it and they frost it. And now it's like less liquidy but more readable. And then the other loud group on Twitter is like, why are you listening to that other loud group? Like, it was fine. you spent all these years developing this crazy new thing you're just gonna listen to a week of tweets and change it back you're an idiot what are you doing so now you're listening to all these loud people on twitter again yeah and so you're flip-flopping now and it's just a mess they're just gonna make up their mind there was a comment on our youtube channel a couple weeks ago that said this podcast is like listening to a bunch of a bunch of apple fanboys that hate apple and i was like so we're doing our job and that's basically the encapsulation of twitter yeah yeah just wanting apple alone just leave them alone just leave them alone leave my sweet child alone um question for you yeah do you think that so here's my conspiracy brain going i wonder how much of this is just to keep people excited talking about it because in my head the design of the new os has probably been done for like a year like i don't know if they're actually going back and forth changing things this quickly for something that's going to drop to a billion phones you know It is.

1:08:19Yeah. Yeah. Here's the thing. It is changing. Like they're shipping these betas and they are actually shipping to everyone in the in the developer community these different versions of it. And I guess if there's a conspiracy world where they have these ready to go to keep people talking about how liquidy it's going to be to keep them on the Internet like talking about it, that could be interesting. but I just think the whole point of the beta is to ship it to the people who will test it and then take the feedback for how well it works, how buggy it is, how legible it's going to be and then ship another beta that's better and then take more feedback and ship another beta that's better and this is them probably working really hard to try to find a balance between all the liquid that they showed and all the concerns that the beta testers have found and trying to land somewhere in the middle at a reasonable maybe iconic maybe they ditched this in two years but a liquidy glassy look that defines their next couple years of software ios 26 already iconic already iconic question mark maybe maybe i don't regret that title one bit by the way so yeah anyway my haters all right ready all right so clown yeah oh what is that do we have to agree?

1:09:41Yeah. Sam Mullen. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Yeah.

1:09:55What color is that underwater freak's blood? Oh, is that the first one? Yeah. The first question? Is it really not what I think it is? I just want to say. I think we're about to get three wrong answers because all of you are underestimating how freaky this guy is. I just want to say that when I thought I was remembering that I just learned this. I actually had just googled octopus blood yesterday. So I'm now back to square one of just guessing. What would the freakiest color be? Probably limoncello? That new color that they just discovered by beaming lasers into people's eyes. Alright, flip these boards, guys.

1:10:31Alright. We all have different colors. Say it. Okay. Mark has first. I said green. I said blue. I said yellow. But, Andrew, you did say the freakiest color would be clear, which is the correct answer. These dudes are freaks. Wait, is clear a color? Wow. Oh my god, you're really going to hit me with that? Yeah! You're really going to hit me with that right now? I don't think that's even a color. Nobody got points. What should I have said? What Apple design scheme is... What does it look like? You're telling me they bleed liquid glass? You want me to ask, what does a lobster's blood look like inside its body?

1:11:11What kind of question is that? This is a family show. You should have phrased it, what do lobsters and iOS 26 beta 4 have in common? What is the opacity slider of lobster blood set at? Crabs also have typically gray or colorless before binding. Colorless? I'm not letting this go, bro. If it's colorless, then it's not a color. Crabs represent order. Lobsters represent chaos. Adam, please read the score. The score. Marquez with 32. Andrew with 22. Are you giving him that point for saying clear? No. Okay, so no. 22. David with 36. Dang. Nice Swifty reference. Okay, question two. Dang. Oof, yeah. Let's go.

1:12:00This is it. These are the scores that you guys are going into the trivia extravaganza with, by the way. So, no pressure. Okay. Do you want me to reread the reviews or do you just want to guess the phone? No, I know what it is. You know what it is? Yeah. Okay. Well, actually, no, do reread it for the audience. Okay, okay. So, Wired said, positively noted its design, battery life, and performance, and stock Android OS, but disliked the camera and built-in speaker. Wait, stock Android OS? Stock Android OS. Oh, no. Engadget praised its build quality, edge-to-edge display, performance, battery life, and clean build of Android 7.1.1, but criticized the screen's brightness and the lack of a headphone jack.

1:12:35iFixit gave the phone a 1 out of 10 in terms of repairability because it's almost impossible to open without freezing and ultimately breaking it. And then you guys cut me off before Marques Brown leaves, but I'm not going to say it because I might give it away. I gave it an award. 7.1? 7.1.1. These are all like summarized on its wiki, by the way. Dang, I got all excited. On the wiki it says all of that? On the wiki, yeah, it says all of this. On the wiki. My award's on the wiki. yeah wow it's the last one but it is there hey so like the wikipedia page for this phone yes exactly okay all right what's the title that we can't read the url today read the url real quick just the http how did i review this i'll just argue about something after okay flip it and read what do we got oh i can't see marquez what did you say i said the essential ph1 andrew the The Essential PH1.

1:13:36Correct. You both get it. David, what did you say? Is that really stock Android? That's what... I'm just reading the reviews, man. David, what did you say? I essentially said something similar. I read your board, David. You had a Nexus up there, didn't you? Yeah, because he said stock Android. At first, I thought this was going to be the Galaxy S6. I'm pretty sure the award was like a green marble color. S6 had a headphone jack. Guys, more importantly, which of the following lobsters live in U.S. waters? Let's go. A, the spiny lobster. B, the true lobster. C, the squat lobster. Or D, the musical furry lobster.

1:14:18Again, A, U.S. waters. U.S. waters. U.S. territorial waters. A, spiny lobster. B, true lobster. C, squat lobster. D, the musical furry lobster. Rock lobster. Rock lobster. Love that song. classic classic all right let's hear it boys in the cold waters of maine we all got the answer spiny lobster that is correct however the true lobster it was also a correct answer i gave you a 50 chance because aren't i so kind is a squat lobster a real lobster those are all real lobsters they just don't live in well no i just thought it was oh there was a lot of question the musical furry lobster is up for debate whether it's a real lobster.

1:15:01It is in the same family as lobsters, but it is not in the same subclass. What part is up for debate? So it's like limes. Like limes. So like What about limes is up for debate? What we eat, I really We're at a time crunch, so we're going to Are they actually lemons? The limes we eat in the U.S., whether those are actually limes or not is up for debate, because that lime is is a crossbreed between a persian lime or yeah a persian lime and a lemon and that's why they don't have seeds oh that's kind of dope but they're not they're not like limes like like if you were to go to prehistoric era you would not see those colloquially limes they're what we know of as they're what we most commonly sell in the u.s as limes because they're a little less sour they're a little sweeter and they have a longer shelf life when in stores and so the lobster so This lobster is like the same type beat where it's like technically it shares enough genetic information with a classical lobster that it's like this is a lobster.

1:16:03But it also has some funny business thrown in there. Yeah. That's kind of the deep sea. Squat lobster is not a lobster. What is it? It's a Nomura. It's more closely resembling a hermit crab. What's a hermit crab? A crab? It's not a crab. It's very confusing. I told you. We definitely don't have time for this. Okay. yes I just remember reading a lot about it during the whole lobster crab thing one last point the scientific name for the musical furry lobster is Pelipathus Magnificus which by the way Magnificent so they can't be freaky if they're magnificent or both I guess I just want to say we keep saying we don't have time for this sorry alright that's freaky and magnificent that's true hey thanks for watching thanks for listening this has been a fantastic underwater episode of the Waveform Podcast and and Crown or Clown we'll be back very soon with a trivia extravaganza they might be crabs get subscribed to see it and to see who wins and uses their points the most wisely see you soon later Waveform was produced by Adam Malina and Ellis Rovern we're partnering with Vox Media Podcast Network and our outro music was created by Vane Silk

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