Pixel Peeping all the new Pixels!

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1:12We should back. I'll ask that. I was coming on the podcast and we were introducing it a different way every time. We should bring that back. Yeah. Every time. We don't have the creative juices to figure that out every week. Every week. Remember when I did the one where I materialized from the holodeck? Oh, yeah. Yeah. You spent like half a day. It doesn't have been that long. It took me like three hours. It was still too much time. All right. Okay. We got Pixel. We got Pixel. We've got Pixel. And we've got AI. Google says Pixel cameras don't take photos. They create memories.

1:58What is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. If you are listening, thanks for listening. But if you're watching on YouTube, thanks for watching too. We also have Adam over here. And there's a seat next to you this time. There is. It is currently empty. It's been empty. For two weeks while Ellis was on vacation. I think we should change that. Whoa. He's back. The magic of editing. I'm back. Ellis is back. This is a perfect time to say if you're listening to audio only, you have no idea what just happened.

2:31Ellis is back. That's what happened. That's exactly what happened. Okay. Glad to have you back. Anyway, we got a lot to talk about this week because this is Google week. We had Google's event where we got Pixel. We also got Pixel. We got Pixel as well as Pixel. Did we get Pixel? And AI. So we're going to talk about all that stuff. And also Pixel. Cool. Can I tell you one of the first things Ellis said when he came in this morning? Sure. He said, was there a Google event this week? Oh, to live amongst the normies. Were you fully offline? Fully offline. So you've missed the Google event. You think this sunburn is possible when you're on your phone?

3:08No way, Jose. It doesn't peak greatness. Also, Andrew, just to be fair, I said one thing before that. I said, I'm about to say something really stupid right now. And then I said, was there a Google event yesterday? This episode is your Google event. Yeah, so I will be silent. I'll be Sundar Pajai in this scenario. Well, no, it's perfect. You can ask the questions of someone who hasn't seen the event. Right, right, right. And then we'll have the answers. It'll be great. it's perfect synergy okay so google announced a whole bunch of devices and ai stuff it's their classic fall event it's usually in like october i feel like but they moved it up this year so we got pixel 9 we got pixel 9 pro we got pixel 9 pro xl we got pixel 9 pro fold we got pixel buds pro 2 we got pixel watch 3 and we got gemini updates did i miss anything i think that's everything that's everything i think that was everything yeah i did i definitely did i blacked out halfway through a lot of pixel stuff uh so all the new phones the new hardware and the new software um yeah where do we start i feel like the phones i had the same general feeling as i had with pixel 6 which is dangerous it is dangerous dangerous because the feeling i had was oh wow these are really nicely built phones like really nice hardware bright screens flat edges metal glass nice finishes nice colors good looking displays good looking i think the camera bumps look kind of solid i think they look like very pixel and in in a way they're still unique in a world of weird blobs on the back of phones and and then they've got all the software and i figure this is the complete package they've finally done it but i look back and that's exactly what i said about pixel 6 and that did not turn out as well as it could have you know what's crazy about pixel 6 i remember it coming out and feeling like oh this is like jewelry it looks really nice and in retrospect those phones the way they're put together i i do remember us being like it kind of feels like they just went to shenzhen and picked up a bunch of random parts out of a pile and threw them together which is true um but the build quality was not great these definitely feel like they have better build quality and i hope that that actually works out in the future now Now, this all comes with a price update as well.

5:27They're almost all more expensive than last year. So the base price of the 128 gig Pixel 9, the entry, is$799. And then you get to a$999 Pixel 9 Pro, a$1099 Pixel 9 Pro XL, which is the bigger one. The bigger one being 6.8 inches, the two smaller ones being the same size as 6.3. And then the Pixel 9 Pro Fold, it's just the next Pixel Fold. yeah the folding one uh is 1799 again and it's also it's pretty significantly updated like it's very different so the first pixel fold i kept saying it's the best one to use closed because it was this nice small wide aspect ratio super reachable for all four corners i love that phone and i love using it closed and i i opened it occasionally this new one feels much closer to like the OnePlus Open, which was my favorite and I think the best series of choices for shapes for a folding phone.

6:27It's a normal size, normal looking 6.3 inch phone on the outside and then a big square eight inch screen on the inside. So new cameras, new square sides, new updates, Tensor 4 across the board, 12 gigs of RAM for the base pixel, 16 gigs of RAM for the big for the pros. so a lot of good interesting stuff here as far as hardware but it's a pixel so you already know it's mostly a software story and i had one thought watching the pixel event i don't know if this struck you guys also as i was watching are you saying like just inside the pixel section of the pixel event or like this whole event this whole event okay where uh you you compare this to like a Samsung launch of a new phone or an Apple launch of a new phone, this event felt like it was not aimed at the people who buy the phones.

7:20It was aimed at the people who are following the AI wars and shareholders way more because they jumped right into like Google's a leader in AI. We've always been doing AI. We're taking advantage of our neural networks and we're capitalizing on what we've already built. And it's like all of this story is great for those people. but if I'm just here to see if I want to buy the new phone or not, it was really not focused on that at all. Then they got to it eventually like half an hour later, and they were like, by the way, here's what we're doing with all of the AI we've built. We're packaging it into these new devices that complete our hardware stack.

7:56I'm like, okay, but do you care about the phones? And they told us about the phones, so we got the new phones. It was weird to see that they didn't really even get to the phones until about half an hour through the year. Yeah, it was over half an hour, I think. which is a it's the made by google pixel event and it was just mostly gemini stuff at in the mid in the beginning they had some gemini stuff in the middle and then they talked about gemini again at the end they really sandwiched all the gemini in there it's a stark comparison to the storytelling that i always see in others even like a one plus event or obviously an apple event or a samsung event where they're like this is the new hardware and now here's how this new phone is going to be awesome for you look how great the camera is it's enabled by this tech look how great the screen is it's enabled by this tech the battery life is amazing that's because we put the work in on this and when i watched the google event it was like upside down it was like we put in so much work on this tech and we're so far ahead on this tech and we put in the work on this tech and it's all going to come together in a phone yeah and it didn't really describe what that tech does for you exactly you know they were like this pixel has 45 tops of compute yeah they talked about teraflops before they talked about well tops and how many like operations per second the tokens per second they talked about all that before they talked about like how good the phone is at anything you know how normally during a phone launch there's like the phone and then they talk about the accessories that kind of like build into the ecosystem and prop up the phone this felt like they were launching an os it was like gemini os and here's the devices that use gemini like the phone headphones and all these other things that like plug into it yeah it felt more like io than it did the pixel eventually usually this is the stuff we see at like io and all that stuff and then they have launched like random one-off hardware here and there at io this was like yeah normally we're used to seeing here's the phones and as we get into specs of the phones Let's show what the AI is capable of, which they still sort of did.

9:59But if you take half an hour of just Gemini and software stuff beforehand, it feels a little different. The problem with it is this is not the last time we're going to see this. In fact, I bet almost all events going forward are going to be so much more like this. It just made them way more boring. Oh, yeah. I wonder about that. Like, I think this is a reflection of where the pixels are in Google's priority list. I still think when you watch a new iPhone event or a new OnePlus phone or a new Samsung phone, they're still gonna have the same style of this is this amazing new thing that we built.

10:34And then here are all the technologies that enable how good it's gonna be for you. It just felt like Google doesn't have that same showcase priority. I think with new Siri coming this year, this would be the best time if ever for Apple to just go straight into like AI-focused stuff right off the bat and get into phones later in there and still have a focus on it like they do really well but i would not be surprised if new series what we see right off the bat i mean google's focus on android has sort of taken a back burner to gemini right like i noticed when we were at the event and we were at the hands-on event and we were doing the footage and stuff when they booted up one of the phones it shows the google logo and then at the end of the google logo it like spins and turns into the gemini logo on the boot screen yeah of the phone yeah so they're really like they're they have restructured their entire company to be based around this one generative ai platform which is really risky and yeah we we talked a lot in the past about how like google has a lot to lose microsoft does not have a lot to lose microsoft didn't gain anything really because still nobody uses bing even though they you know leaned extremely hard into that you couldn't pay me they couldn't pay me and and but google you know has done the research to say like will we lose anything if we depreciate the value of our products and the answer was no and that's why they got sued by the government and so it's just it's it's insane that like i feel like at previous events it was like hardware look at all the cool stuff that we can do with machine learning and that we can do on android and look at all the new things that about android and this the parallel to this is the io event where they you know generally talk about the new version of android and all the new features in it this io was just gemini gemini just gemini the whole time yeah and so they're kind of merging that into the pixel event where it's like the like adam was saying like gemini is basically pixel os is gemini yeah gemini is the os of everything that google does so they focused on gemini on what gemini's new features are and what it's capable of and how they were able to do that and then by the way here are the devices that have it now yeah these new things i still don't even think they leaned into things that gemini can actually do that are useful yeah they had a couple things a few things we can go over them yeah but yeah depending on if they're useful or not i guess is before we leave this section i do want to say that little hint for what trivia is coming later but in researching that question i went back to the trivia or i went back to the the Made by Google event from 2017.

13:09And they started that event talking about AI back in 2017. Yeah. Did they use the same graphic of like the squares with the wires going into one square, which comes out of the wires into a bunch of squares? That person was hired after this. That person, like David said, better be getting royalties. And he is a billionaire by now. He's the jewels, yeah. Yeah, they probably redid it with Gemini and now aren't paying anybody. it sounds like we really want to get into software stuff but you mentioned a lot about the phones do you want to just wrap up quick last thoughts about the phones or is that yeah I guess we'll do the phones first then I assumed you started phones already I could jump into the phones I have a couple high level thoughts and then I have a couple we can do the features later let's do phones first then a little behind the scenes, Marques went totally off script yes, completely off script I do that sometimes but no I think the phones like I said at the beginning I think they look great and from the two hours that I spent with them I think they feel great in the hand they feel very flagship they feel comparable to what we see right now from Samsung and Apple so it's going to be at least competitive in that way which is not what we typically have from a Google phone so I was really happy about that what was I'm trying to remember what everyone's thoughts were when we first saw this leak of the bar because it seems like everyone loves it now I loved it from the start there are some phone designs that look different in the render than they do in person they just hit different in person versus in an illustration and this is one of them it just feels it's rock solid i love it yeah it is interesting that with the pixel 6 they like introduced the camera bar design they they worked on that into the pixel 7 to make it feel more cohesive and then in the pixel 8 it was even more cohesive where it was all sort of part of one piece of metal and then they had the bag and then they just had more kind of got rid of it i don't know kind of strange they got rid of it connecting i'd still say it's still there and it's still like the iconic pixel thing it's the exact it's the same camera bar it's just updated it's kind of like because previously it was the cameras that created the pill within the bar as a visor yeah the visor yeah and then the sun went out went away and they took the visor off i leave for two weeks and we're back to calling it a pill it's the bean it's the pixel bean the iconic curves iconic picks not all of them this one's definitely a pill oh my god yeah but it went from being a visor across the whole phone to if you fast forward it's slowly getting smaller and smaller it's no longer the edges of the phone so i think it's going away from the visor that i think is so obviously a pixel which is why we have feelings about it but i still think it looks good it's still obviously a pixel yeah i think that's clear and it's very flat very square i like it so that's the hardware uh cameras are mainly unchanged as far as hardware but we've got a 50 megapixel main and a 48 megapixel ultrawide across all of them except for the fold so that means the base pixel or the pro pixel they have the same main camera the same ultrawide camera the same tensor chip so that's great wait what does the fold have the fold yeah doesn't fit as large of sensors in that body 48 main so it's different sensors they're smaller sensors in the fold uh and we'll get to the fold in just a second but i think across all of the regular like pixel 9 and pixel 9 pro and pro xl they are just exactly what you'd expect from that price range they're bright like 2700 nits or 3000 nits they're 1080p 120 hertz on the base and that's between 60 and 120 adaptive versus the ltpo which goes up to 120 down to one on the pro phones they're all oleds they're all you know right up to the edges with even bezels all the way around just in general like they're they make sense for the price yeah you're saying it makes sense to the price which i agree with but previously what i loved about the pixels so much is that they were cheaper than what the like yeah special would entail like this feels like we've just gotten into what every other really about yeah the prices online there are people there are some people and i've watched a bunch of impressions videos some people are saying this is the biggest change they've made in a while and some people are saying this is like almost no change why is it 100 bucks more i lean more towards the first group i think they added a ton of ram they have much brighter displays they had to curve the oled around to get the bezels even all the way across the phone they have i think hardware worthy of this price point even though the tensor is not like some huge power upgrade i think in general the hardware upgrades are worth a change in price but there are a lot of people who are like this is like not really a different phone i just think previously the hardware was comparable with other things that were the price it is now but it wasn't it was knocking it down 100 200 bucks which felt like a great deal it's a reason it won like mvp mvp yeah because it was such a good deal now these are still great phones but now you're yeah you're putting it up against all the other phones at the same price range and you're actually just going one for one you know what this makes me really interested about is what the pixel 9a ends up looking like because the pixel 8a was almost exactly the same phone as the pixel 8 and there was this big question of like why wouldn't you just buy the 8 because it's on sale by the time the 9a comes out or the 8a comes out and uh now you when you have higher quality hardware there's a bigger potential for there to be a gap in build quality which could make the price go down significantly also considering the a is usually like 450 or something 500 there will be a much bigger price difference however you know by the time the a comes out there could be sales by the time this podcast comes out the prices on these might be a hundred that is probably weeks already yeah but yeah that that's all going to be interesting to follow and then there's the pixel fold which i think has the most changes versus the last generation yeah the folds it's all yeah it's now synced up obviously in sept in october you know what september august whatever versus is when it usually came out.

19:11October, yeah. And it is much thinner, flatter sides. It's like barely thicker than the USB port for each side. So when you close it up, it's a little thicker than a regular phone. It's the same size outside screen, 6.3 inches diagonally. So it's, like I said, it's similar to the OnePlus Open. As the Pixel 9, not as the Pixel Fold. Sorry, yeah, as Pixel 9. Yeah. But obviously, new aspect ratio is a little taller, a little bit more of a regular size phone, maybe a little less reachable, but then you open it, you get this enormous eight inch screen that's also brighter you got the corner hole punch cutouts and yeah a couple extra features i mean obviously it's still going to be the tensor i guess the word pro just means 16 gigs of ram because it's also a pixel pixel 9 pro fold could also just mean more expensive it feels weird putting pro in there yeah yeah but it's got the tensor g4 and 16 gigs of ram yeah they could have just called the pixel 9 fold yeah no one would have been confused yeah or the pixel fold or just the fold well okay but i get putting numbers on it the interesting thing about the number is that it assumes that they're going to make one every year which would be cool but yeah that's also a pretty pretty big engineering task to make four phones a year and one of them is a foldable um well what if they're iterative from this point forward because i feel like this was a big jump i agree i think that last year was sort of the like test phase and then they got that out of the way and they're like all right everyone else knows that make foldables let's figure it out we did it yeah second generation i think is always interesting for any device we got the first generation of the google folding phone and we had to see what they think a foldable should be like and the second generation is where they apply everything they learn from the first gen this is what happened with the galaxy z fold yeah i was just thinking that it was like it was huge pretty bad like huge jump and then it was like okay we found our stride let's just keep it going so now yeah i expect it to be more iterative now yeah but i think the number nine almost signifies flat sides it's like this is the flat-sided pixel fold and it'll be iterative from here on now which is interesting because it feels like people like to take the opportunity of having the x version of something the 10 version of something to make it like a way better and way different but they did so much this year that it feels like 10 is going to be fairly iterative too or it's going to be crazy.

21:26It's going to be triple fold. No, yeah. So that's$17.99 still. That is pixel full. That's kind of it. I'm going to have to test. Battery is about the same size. Cameras are different. We'll see. Can I yell at you two for a second? Wait, which two? David and Marques. Yes, you can. I'm sorry. Neither of you plugged in the Fold to a monitor when you had it for a second. I need to know if it has anything. bring one with you they did not have monitors for us to plug it into unfortunately I just want something like Dex give me Chrome OS on the Pixel Fold that's it I will transfer your yell to the Pixel team and ask them why they don't do that Samsung and Google are the same company now so why don't they just put Dex that's another thing I noticed in the keynote so many galaxy phones they showed a Z Flip before they showed a Pixel no no that was a Motorola Razr Plus oh the first one they first showed a s24 ultra and then it was and they called it out by name you know the test devices that they were showing gemini on were s24 ultras and not until the second live demo yeah no the two first live demos were the s24 ultra and the moto razor plus oh so it was the third one and then after that by name and the samsung's the one that failed i did say that which we can get to that was like i don't see any other i guess it's because this was leaked so much that they just embrace it everyone knows what it looked like but i i haven't in years seen a phone company announce a new phone by first showing other people's phones on stage and then starting to use the new unannounced phone without name dropping yeah yeah what is happening that was crazy that was a very odd sequence of events but then they eventually revealed it we're not anti-competitive we're not anti-competitive we're not anti-competitive look at us that was wild so yeah uh we got all the hardware announcements the phones we'll see we're gonna get our hands on them we're gonna review them we're gonna see if they're worth it we'll see if there's any big changes or any surprises we noticed but i think the software is really what's gonna make them feel like pixels which is usually how it goes we should talk about the fold a little more i think um what else about the fold the camera design is weird the double i don't know why they did that uh they kind of stacked it so it's a square now instead of just being i don't know why they didn't just make it look exactly like the pixel 9 pro i have one theory but i need to hold the phone again to figure it out hold the phone or i don't know i i was thinking okay you remember the this doesn't make as much sense but you remember the microsoft surface how it folded all the way back unfortunately and it needed to to like slightly slope the camera the two so that it would like yeah magnetically attached that comes to mind but this one doesn't fold all the way back so it doesn't matter so why do they do that david had an idea it was a couple episodes ago that it was because just getting too close to the folding mechanism probably was interrupting some sort of ribbon cables or hinge or something in there.

24:20But I do think we're talking about how the first phones updated the visor and this is obviously a Pixel. This is not. This could be anything. And I don't like that. I wish it had the bar across the visor. Yeah, the first Pixel Fold had the visor all the way across, but there were no cameras on that side of the hinge near the hinge yeah so the other thing is just how big of a glow up this pixel is in general this pixel fold is in general like the interior and exterior screen are both really bright they're both 120 hertz it's super freaking thin it's like one of the biggest interior displays uh google told us the biggest interior display but i think what was in the fine fine print was like available in the united states yeah um that said the other phones that have bigger interior displays are like 8.03 versus 8.00 so so it's about as big as you can get pretty much um yeah i i don't know i'm super excited about that one and the the fact that it's the same price is cool even though it's still insanely expensive it is i wonder if this is the one that's going to get me to use a folding phone daily because i've had i've like had stints with folding phones as my daily and then i just end up back like i've used the galaxy z fold for a little while and then i'll just end up back on the slab phone yeah i'm like oh yeah i realize why yeah the slab phone the aspect ratio is way better but i think this one because it's a normal aspect ratio on the outside could get me yeah the other kind of strange thing is uh the exterior display is like rounded while also being contained by the metal bar yeah which and it kind of looks like there's just like a phone inside of a case that is part it looks like the um the velvet folding case remember when the velvet added the second screen yeah with the case it's it's like a phone looks like it's like slid into a dock right on both sides the back also yeah it looks like two phones that were slid into some phone dock like a case that made it open that way but um yeah i don't know i'm i'm most excited about that it feels really good man it feels so good i know i've said that like sentence before about other phones but it does i just don't know how they had this big of a glow up in one year it is pretty crazy because going from like arguably what might be the best folding phone when all these other companies had a bazillion years to do it yeah it's kind of wild about a leapfrog yeah seriously came in last place in the first heat and then suddenly won the second heat yeah what happened what was it called in the olympics this year uh repishage where like you could like dancing fail you could fail your first heat and then go into uh yeah a second google jogged the first heat booked it in the second heat and they just save their energy you guys came back from that hands-on just like i don't even care about the regular pixels that fold looks sick yeah i messaged the slack and i was like i regret to inform you guys that google cooked i think i said that in the video too they cooked on this one they cooked can i throw one more question up or sorry are you done talking about adam i know you and alex were looking at this yesterday but were you saying the trade-in values were not very good this year they were not very good this year i'm trying to look up some stuff a fold 5 256 gets you 540 bucks that feels not great 540 for a folding samsung phone from last year it's like the most recent generation outside of the new one that just came out am i crazy that seems that seems not bad well if you do it cost $1 ,800.

27:58I know, but I mean, compared to like, you know, Google and Samsung used to buy you a house when you turn in like your flip phone. If you turn in a pixel fold, you get$760. Okay. That's pretty good, but that's with Google. What if you do a... Yeah, but I could literally hand Apple a sack of gold that I found at the end of a rainbow and they'd spit on me. I think Apple gives decent trade-in values for Apple phones. I promise you they don't. Really? Dude, when I my fully spec'd out iMac Pro hold on let me actually make sure I have this right wait you can trade in LG phones they are bad with computer phones I mean it's fair because like Ellis is saying the trade-in values before used to be insane so this seems like very I traded in the$50 ,000 Mac Pro and they were going to give me$500 like they don't give you a lot if you trade in an LG G8X you can get$32 that's about right on eBay the Z Fold 4 which I know is a year older is only going for like$350 or less.

28:59Yeah, maybe fair. But I guess it's just we're so used to their older one. I feel like it used to be Google and Samsung would be like, if you trade in something from someone else, just have it. And free Galaxy Buds. It could also be that these folding phones are just so expensive. So even if they give you$800,$900, you're still paying$1 ,000 for this phone. I think that what the companies see is is like most people do not change phone manufacturers on a year-to-year basis. So in the past, it's been like, if you are willing to go Google, we will give you a ton of money because you were probably a Samsung diehard before this, and you're very likely to stay in the Google ecosystem continuously, so we're willing to give you more than something's worth to acquire you as a customer, because customer acquisition cost is crazy, which is why carrier deals are insane.

29:51more money than the samsung fold what the google pixel fold gets more money than the samsung fold then that's just i don't know i see like 200 bucks it's probably still selling for more money i also just want to say i i i was wrong apple will still give me a third of the value of this 12 that's pretty good that's crazy that's that's crazy that's almost four dog welcome back yeah yeah in my house bro no minislander z flip five is only you get 300 bucks for 300 feels low when that just came out wow that feels really low dang sorry anyway okay um yeah sad that the trade-in deals aren't great so it sounds like we really want to talk about software after the break yeah that'll be the first thing we jump into let's take a quick break we got to do some ads but we also got to do some trivia oh it feels good to hit that button again trivia the lights are back trivia back to having no shot at answering this october 4th 2017 like i mentioned before made by google event simpler times that made by google event gave us such bangers as the google home max a premium pixel book and a hardware device manufactured by a company called gore tech what product was it gore tech not gore tech g-o-e-r-t-e-k it's a Chinese company in 2017 2017 a hardware product that was manufactured by Gortec it must be good because the Google Home Max is doing so well well it's discontinued right?

31:32yes I still have one I use it every day it's awesome I love it it should have been waterproof and had a mount to put under the roof on your deck or something. It would have been perfect. Oh, I thought it was more like a living room. I think it would be so much better outside. That was always my argument. That might be a different product because it has a touch surface on top, which is horrible outside if it rains. It's voice activated. It's just a volume slider. Do you guys want a little hint for this one? I would love this. In my never-ending quest to figure out how the speakers in the MacBook Pro work, I identified Gore-Tec as a possible supplier of of audio components for Apple.

32:14Was not able to determine whether or not they made the speakers in the MacBook Pro. But they are on the list of the 10 ,000 suppliers that work with Apple. And they have in the past done a bunch of audio stuff. Did they make the speakers in this Google product? I have no clue. I have no idea. It has speakers. I think I might know. Well, we'll have to think about that one. The answers will be at the end, like usual. And we'll be right back.

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36:10I miss call screening every time I use a non-Pixel phone. There are lots of things about these phones that are smart. So there's some new stuff on top of Gemini. And the whole event, Rick, like from the start said, like, there's all these situations where people announce things at events. and then they are coming soon or coming later, which almost felt like a direct call out to us. Although I'm sure we're not the only people saying that, but we complain about it all the time. So everything here was live on stage. They did demo it all live. Some of that backfired, but that's okay. I'm glad they tried it.

36:39Okay, first one I want to just jump in is Pixel Weather. There's a new Pixel Weather app. It looks really good. You can like move around the tiles and there's all these beautiful tiles and all colorful. And then there's a little AI summary at the top, like, oh, maybe wear some sunscreen this afternoon because it's going to be hot, something like that. So cool. It's a built-in weather app that's better than before. The app looks great, though. It looks great. It's weird that they focus so much on the AI summary part and that it's AI because the rest of the app just looks like a really nice integrated weather app.

37:10It looks like a totally normal weather app, and they're like, but what if we put AI in it? This is part of the whole, like, they are focusing more on Gemini than anything else thing that doesn't make any sense to me. It's like, we built all these large language models. How do we use it here? It's like, guys, people have brains. They can see that if it's raining, you should put a raincoat on. What do these confusing numbers mean all over my screen? Did he say that? He said that, right? More or less. I think he said basically like, I don't want to have to look through all these numbers and I would rather have the AI tell me what to do.

37:41And it was like, even the temperature. It would take you longer to read the AI summary than to just glance at the numbers. In their defense, I did have an apartment where the window went out onto a brick wall and you couldn't see the sky or the clouds or anything. So I would always check my weather app to see what it was. Yeah, but did the weather tell you to use an umbrella? No. Then it's the exact same thing. You can still see those confusing numbers on your weather app. You know, that's true. Anyway, I'm going to use it. I happen to be a weather app aficionado. Will this replace Carrot? No.

38:12I mean, Carrot is an incredible weather app. And it's also iOS only. And it's also mean to you. Yeah, Gemini won't curse it. It also has an AI built in. but it doesn't tell you anything about the weather it just insults you so that's different and it probably didn't need to spend billions of dollars to uh train that model yeah but i'll dive in i'll see if the pixel weather app is any good probably in too much detail sorry in advance um what else we got call notes so if you're on the phone and you want to remember a bunch of things from this call or it's some really important call you can hit call notes it'll notify everyone that it's recording and then it will just transcribe and summarize everything happening kind of like the recorder app would yeah great i tested that at the demo event um it is very abrupt and loud there's a button that's like use call notes and it just immediately goes google a google assistant is recording this call just very loudly which is better than not doing it yeah i mean if you tell the person i think they learned that from the whole google duplex thing that happened way back yeah with it calling and making reservations and depending on where you are it would be illegal to record calls without consent from both parties right so although that would do it anyway without needing to get consent you're just telling them i think well assuming that they would hang up the phone then if they don't want to be yeah that's fair so there's that um there is also the pixel studio which is essentially an ai image generation tool exactly the way you saw it in apple's keynote same thing here remember how apple made it what do they call it something else studio studio it's AI studio.

39:40Playground studio, whatever. It's just an AI image generator. It's all on device. It's got a bunch of different built-in styles. You give it a text prompt. It spits out an image for you. You can refine it. You can adjust it, add things, add stickers, add text, have it make new, whatever. It exists. You can use it if you want. I think they're trying to compete with Canva on this one. Yeah. Because Canva is like a massively, rapidly growing business, and even Adobe is freaked out at Canva and is trying to like compete with them. And Canva now has a lot of these AI features that allow you to make greeting cards and stuff really quickly.

40:15I think that's a great comparison because the way they demoed it made a little more sense than just like, let's just make this thing for fun. Theirs was, we're having a small get together. Let's make a like fun invite at the Golden Gate Bridge bonfire or whatever. And yeah, but so Canva's like, that's a really good comparison. Yeah. And also Canva's like an insanely fast growing platform. Oh yeah. So, yeah. The one that caught a lot of attention that I think is either everything or nothing is called Add Me. And it's a camera feature. It's a mode that's built into the camera. So you swipe over from photos to portrait to Add Me.

40:51Add Me is for the situation where you are going to take a group photo, but you don't have an extra person who's not in the picture to take it for you. I don't know. You're on a hike or something. Everyone's going to be in the picture. You always have to leave someone out when you do a group photo, and it's really sad. Right. Right, so this is, we don't have a tripod. We don't want to leave anyone out. It's a built-in photo on the camera. You stand back. You take a picture of everyone except for you, and you leave a little space for you somewhere in the picture. And then everyone leaves, and someone holds the camera and frames you walking in and standing in that last spot in the photo, and it stitches them all together.

41:27So now you're in the photo. Admi has added you in. I tried this once at the hands-on. It actually worked. it worked really well it looks awesome it's in a beautifully lit super bright environment i'm curious in different environments how well this may or may not work yeah but it did seem to stitch me into the picture with you and brandon yeah it was kind of crazy because we were sort of more to the right where the light wasn't coming in as much and you stood closer to the window where there's a lot more light and it seems to match the lighting scenarios together really well yeah yeah i think it's one of those things that'll do like a c plus job where it's like better than asking someone who has no idea how to edit images how to add them into the picture so it's just like oh it does it for you cool i mean the demo we did felt like an a minus yeah i watched a bunch of other people's videos and there was a big range of oh really interesting yeah what what did you see was getting messed up uh becca in her video for the verge said it worked half the time it also sometimes messes up cutouts so if your hand is like really brightly lit against a bright background it just might like mess up the cutouts of like in between your fingers and things like that interesting so it's true it's try i mean it's obviously just built into the camera but that's a convenient thing that's interesting and i want to test it more it seems like it's cutting out one of the pictures rather than just like finding the seam line between where it would connect and almost like feather brushing that i don't know exactly how it's doing it that's a good question seems like the easier way combination of those things it might be cutting out the whole subject and like feathering everything it might be feathering half of it it's a cool tool because it it shows this like floating white frame.

43:04The overlay was really cool. Of the overlay. Yeah. Which I think is the best part of it. It's what makes it relatively intuitive. All the person needs to know is hit the shutter button again. But yeah, it worked. I also noticed that on the phones at the event, they put the AdMe feature just in the carousel at the bottom. So you have camera, video, and AdMe is right to the left. So they're like, instead of putting in some hidden sub menu of like, hey, here's a feature that you only really use if you know that Google has cool AI camera features, they have it right there. So people who buy the pics are gonna see that and think like, what's that?

43:37Right alongside like Night Sight and stuff like that. Right, and it is a feature that everyone could really take advantage of. For sure. I could have used it this weekend. We like, I was up with some friends and we just took a picture after playing disc golf and we were like propping it on some guy's bag with like another water bottle and then like timing it to 10 seconds and running over and trying to get the dogs in the picture also. I was like, damn, this would have been perfect if one person could have just switched out. This was something I was wondering about. If you're just doing it with two people.

44:04You can do it with two people. Yeah, you can do it with two people. How close can you get to each other and like, or fake get to each other? We're gonna find out. You can stand, I saw some examples. You can stand behind them. It will be harder to, it will look a little more fake. Because the cutouts will be more obvious. I wanna try this. When Claire and I went to the Tetons, we were like, took this really long hike up to this beautiful lake. It took forever and we asked this guy to take a picture of us. And when I got back down, I looked at it. it's the worst photo i've ever seen oh no this is the future for everyone who's had that experience yeah it would be awesome if we could have just taken both of them exactly a few months ago i was at central park and i had my camera with me and uh a guy stopped me with his friend and was like hey you you look like a photographer could you take our photo and i was like uh here we go and as soon as someone saw me taking his photo a cue started and i took the photos of like seven groups of people because everyone kept seeing me taking a picture of them and we're like oh we should get our photo and i was like what do you this is what so you're saying if one of those people had a pixel nine if you would have turned them down all of them had a pixel nine i'd be like no do it yourself as someone who missed the event could you i go around new york with a pixel nine taking pictures of just random people without their consent on the street and then make a big family photo of like 30 people who have never met each other before?

45:25They all have to be in the same place. So you could have people walking by. Yeah, if I wait at one section to just... I could make the cutest family photo of people who literally have never met each other. One do one better. You can have someone else hold the camera and you can multiply yourself. Yeah, you can just make a bunch of... It tries to stop you from doing it, but it does mess up. I'd like to see it. I'm gonna do it. The random person one would be hard because the point kind of is when the next person grabs the photo they can be like, oh, move over to the right a little bit so you can frame them up because it shows this overlay of how you've got to frame it up and where the people were before so you wouldn't be able to tell people walking down the street like, can you move to your right a little bit?