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43:30Did you know that Peregrine Falcons can apparently travel up to 240 miles per hour in a free fall dive? Boy, do I know a lot about that. I feel like that is the equivalent of this. If that's surprising to you. They're in New York on skyscrapers. They're going to attack me. You can see them all the time. And you won't even see it coming. Yeah. So like I said, 80 watt charging phone is like extremely quick. You plug it in for three minutes and you get like 15, 20 % battery out of it. It's like amazing. It's very convenient. I love seeing that feature. If you're at the airport and your flight is literally starting to board and your phone's almost dead, you can plug it in for like four minutes as the flight boards unplug and have like a flight's worth of battery.

44:09It's just the convenient moments like that. this phone realme had plugged in at zero percent and by four and sorry four minutes and 30 seconds it was full yeah okay wait also the photos so when you first said that i thought of the was it the rog phone or the lenovo legion that had two the legion yeah so it would charge both batteries at same time and i was like is it doing it's one cord that's doing this it's one cable yeah it's one brick it is i mean we don't have a bunch of details about temperatures or anything else like that but it's a 4 400 milliamp hour battery that again goes from one percent to 100 in four minutes and a half four minutes and 22 seconds there are laws i this phone broke i think this phone this has to damage the battery there's just there's just no way that's a one-time use feature yeah i'd like to be able to use this phone again after um yeah i don't know there's not there's isn't necessarily coming to a real phone realme is obviously pushing the limits on their regular phones with like 100 150 watt charging and that's amazing but this is just a crazy demo that they showed what was the car that only has 100 launches this is that yeah this only has 100 yeah 100 or 240 watt no 320 they can only do that 100 times before the battery is completely toast would you take that as a feature no you could do this 100 times what about take that what was the other one that only fast charged a certain number of times in a day it was in a day it was the lexus the lexus you can only fast charge twice in one day oh 24 hours twice in 24 hours even worse so i don't know if you saw so the autofocus we did a review of the lexus uh something something 450e it has a 240-ish mile range generously which is already not great and if you decide to go road trip that means you're gonna have to charge a few times but it will only fast charge twice from zero to 80 percent in 24 hours and then it will lock fast charging and only slow charge until that timer is up which is insane that's a lot of driving yeah but like i drove to ohio straight shot and i had to charge my car like three and a half times yeah it's it's road trip type because 80 is not the full 240 miles it's like 200 oh yeah true so if you really 600 miles yeah maybe you go further i'm just saying i'm not saying there's no other cars with that limit it's tough this uh would you take a phone i'm trying to i'm trying to find the balancing point would you take a phone that could do this zero to 104 minutes but only does it 365 times and then from there it will it'll charge extremely slowly extremely slowly two watts 365 is different no no no we have to give it give it at least you have to hand crank it the rest of the time okay you gotta shake it use the kinetic energy to yeah you have to bike a mile to charge your phone yeah 300 somethings if it only had 100 that would be tough because it would be like i would either save them and then never use them and it would be pointless or i would use it once and then i would just keep using it and destroy all 100 of it you'd keep it in like your backpack where you're like if i'm on the go and i know i need a quick charge i'll use one of my limited crazy charges.

47:39This is the exact same psychology reason that companies offer free trials. Because once you use something and it's better than the normal thing, you're like, well, I don't really want to go back. That's how I feel with wireless charging. I can't go away from wireless charging. That's exactly what happened to me. I never used to use it, and I was like, it's way faster to just charge your phone. And then now I have wireless charging pads everywhere, and I'm like, why would I do that ever again? Would I ever need a cable in my life? This ultimate four minutes is still, though, like if you can still sit down yeah i don't know how about this it goes from zero to 26 percent in one minute that's that's amazing that's absurd i'm sure if you plug it in for like three seconds it's already at three percent that it's like it's like you go in slow motion and it's hovering it's not even in and you see the charging icon come on and it starts like i'm ready yeah it's like the the low stance mode when you're about to take off on a car that you can ready to go get it ready that's the thing if the phone's dead it can't like precondition the battery for charging it's just like it just goes i don't know that seems dangerous whatever okay anyway you want some perspective before we move on yes please the peregrine falcon the peregrine falcon that your studio monitors on your desk that are running in single digit efficiency are only using about 120 watts each.

49:00So both of them still not even getting to the same wattage. You're talking about the speakers. The Yamaha HS8s. So both of those. And then even crazier, the 2017 iMac Pro, which has a 5K display built-in hot graphics card. Intel. Intel power hungry processor. That thing is running at 370 watts. So you can compare... At CPU max. Yeah, at CPU max. So you can compare this little tiny phone to an all-in-one professional cheese computer thing when we're gonna charge phones and kilowatts a couple years away from a kilowatt charging phone and then even less years from global our pockets yeah all right well I have no good transition to this other topic but I do think it's interesting one yeah procreate okay let's just start with what happened and then our my I'll just get my reaction so procreate if you've ever heard of procreate we've shown it in various ipad videos before it's an app on the app store that is an illustration app so if you're making art pieces if you're editing art pieces it's it's really good with the apple pencil you can sketch things you can adjust things with different brushes that's what procreate is it's an art app also something that elon musk really wants you to do also true inside joke not even inside that's just a well played thanks anyway so procreate has existed for a while now on the ipad it has a really dedicated fan base of users and they've been kind of quiet on a lot of ai stuff but they've got a lot of questions about it so eventually uh a couple days ago their ceo came out and doesn't really do this often but made a video and it's like a 60 second video and all he does is express how much he hates generative ai he goes you guys have been asking us about ai and i just hate generative AI and we will not be adding this to any of our products.

50:57Blah, blah, blah. Procreate is about empowering our users. End scene. And I had so many thoughts to this, but mainly there's two reactions. One, which is most of the first 24 hours, is hell yeah. Way to go. This is the way it should be. Artists with pencils and no AI tools. It's Adobe crap. We don't love where the industry is going like we want procreate to stay ai free and i saw a ton of those reactions for the first 24 hours but then 24 hours later i chimed in because on the other hand it is kind of an interesting announcement it's an announcement to never add something to your product which is fine but as uh as we all know we're in the early days of generative ai and there's a lot of things that are becoming more useful and lots of companies are for sure way too far shoving this into their customers faces but what if it is really useful potentially someday what if there are things that other competitive apps add that people want to see in your app they've committed now to never adding that and i do think that's fascinating thoughts i have some thoughts especially as someone who who owns and uses procreate okay i think um there's something to said about procreate is easily like a top five ipad app like you like like it's so easy to use and it's one of those things yeah apple themselves loves to demo it for various new things when the apple pencil has new features they're like try this out in procreate but yeah i don't think it's that great for technical art i think it's great for sketching and for workshopping and for putting things down and not sketching like to belittle anything like people make beautiful things but if you're an architect or a designer and you need to make something that has specs that you can easily edit and like do that's a different app and yeah that's the stuff that i see people genuinely needing ai features in um obviously like every app is like we're adding an ai but the the apps that I really see like actual professionals being like I want these tools are people that are doing technical things and so I'm not sure procreate's core audience needs it I have a question for you there though yeah is that AI generative AI or is it just advanced machine learning which we've been doing for like 20 years well I'm talking about generative AI I'm talking about natural language processing to results on the page which even if it's editing something that's there it's still generative ai yeah well there are some features like in photoshop that are generative in nature meaning if you want to do content aware fill or the equivalent i don't know if they call it something else they call it generative film generators yeah they were just talking about this yesterday like they're really good genuine uses for that all the time and we see that on our phones but that's just a one there's just one feature that will never be in procreate and whether or not procreate users ever would use something like that i am not as confident in but it seems like the ceo is very confident that they will never need stuff like that i think it's important that he said and i don't know what he's talking about here because he didn't explain it you said it was a short video he said he very specifically said generative ai and i think a an app that you said i've never used this i've seen brandon use it and still some but it is drawing based and generally like you're not photo editing or photo manipulating in it so it's it sounds like he's just not adding AI that would add something into it because you are supposed to be the one doing it.

54:34I wouldn't be surprised if there are AI features at some point that would just help make some of those things easier. Especially, I was just going to say there's an animating feature in it, right? Where you can draw things and help animate it. But that's not generative. That's not generative but there could be AI apps. Procreate Dreams. So Procreate Dreams is their dedicated animation app. But in Procreate there's a pretty in-depth animation editor in it too. So like I could see AI things adding into this that aren't generative that could still help, but it's not creating something in a creative.

55:06He specifically said our products are built with the idea that humans are creating something. So I think the fact that he said we're not adding generative AI, not that we're not adding AI means there's potential for some AI in there. Just not like, hey, I'm in. Sorry, I'm interrupting you like 30 times. like where he's you're not just going like here i drew one tree now draw everything else for me like that's not going to be added there but i could see some other things that would be small helpful quality of life ai adjustments yeah maybe like an i don't know what else see me fall out of the chair sorry we need to generate some yeah i need to generate any uh i think maybe like if you could natural language process brushes maybe that could be like kind of cool and procreate I feel like all the AI animation tools that I've used use sort of like the latent space frame interpolation like models to get stuff.

56:06I feel like it's just machine learning. Sure. I feel like it doesn't work for you. Like I don't know anyone that does it. and in a way that was one of the latest and this is just my i don't use procreate much but they would they would apple would go hey check out this new uh this new rotational sensitivity for the apple pencil and they do that by animating like a swirl on procreate and you could see it animate based on how fast you twirled your pencil so like yeah i that's a that doesn't need generative ai to work so i assume that's fine yeah so the corollary that i see here is like in the calculator the math notes calculator thing right part of what it does is that it will like make up a numbers that look like they were made in your handwriting when it shows answers it will also that's generative that's not generative well the drawing the characters on the page not generative that's not generally asked them at the event i was like yeah they were like because because it's creating those things and it's when you draw your hand you use your handwriting and draw numbers and stuff it sort of like curves the stuff so that it's more natural looking and it's not that and they're like yep we're not using any generative ai for this this is has nothing to do with like apple intelligence it's literally just the same machine learning we've been doing forever and that's that's the thing that i feel like a lot of people most of these companies are rebranding a lot of machine learning things as generative ai when they're just not like the other day on apple tv it was like recommended shows and then in quotes it said ai beta and i was like your recommendations engines like maybe you added some form of transformer model to your recommendation engine but like they're just slapping it on there for the for the ai the money just to have it there my other thing is that his stance on this i think is a general moral stance on the fact that to in in order to do generative ai stuff that's actually generative you have to have a data model you have to have a set that is trained on people's work yeah that is 98 of the time stolen material especially like images and art like this exactly they're 100 not consenting to all of that stuff being used in these right and so i think that he's basically saying like as an art company us stealing art in order to make these features work just kind of goes against our morals.

58:30Yeah, no art company would ever do that. Allegedly. Monopoly. Allegedly. Hey, that was for research purposes, Ellis. Alleged research. They were never supposed to use that in the application. Oh, sorry, the intern got a hold of it. He didn't understand. Oh my god, our intern accidentally scraped a billion YouTube videos. Sorry. I give you the ability to scrape Marques Brownlee. We're not salty. Yeah, no, that checks out. And also that's true because there was a statement in that video specifically, like he says, we don't really like the way the industry is going. I feel like this video was like very scripted and I feel like that line basically meant like, look at all these other AI apps and what they have to do to add their generative AI features.

59:14And that is what is implied in all that use. And there's also just a ton of other apps that are like not quite Procreate competitors, but you've seen like the, replace the sky like photo editor ipad app like there's a thousand of those and they all have to they have to be trained on something and i feel like that's a part of this equation that a lot of people don't see on the surface but that is probably what he's talking about or google which is just like whatever you want man what is a photo i don't know i think they're replacing the sky thing is more photo editing manipulation versus like drawing sketching which procreate is that's why i think this works so perfectly for procreate because you're kind of supposed to start blank canvas and make things and there's also like the pixel studio app where you're just like if you do start blank canvas but you're just like give me a scene on the beach with a purple sky and it just makes it for you because you don't draw it all on the pixel right yeah so that's that's generative and that's just kind of it's the same output as i had to draw the whole thing myself but it's very much more a different process yeah yeah i don't know so we'll see well i my my take on twitter was we'll see how long this commitment lasts it seems like a strong commitment because it's the ceo coming out literally cursing in the video saying i bleeping hate generative ai so it seems like a strong commitment to me but i'm curious how long the commitment to not add features of a certain genre will last i'm very fascinated by this one i doubt his morals hold up yeah that's my take on it i guess like the industry could change on how they do or like take if they can find a moral way to have a data set yeah maybe someday like apple did with uh genmoji i don't think they'll ever add generative stuff but i think they will add ai things this is coming from someone who's never even used the damn ab i have no say in this i was gonna say this is definitely like like you said marquez like this is it's great marketing it one is great marketing two it's completely disregarding any future updates that happen with ai so like generative generative ai so for example if you're animating something you have to draw it frame by frame you know like a guy jumping you know you you draw every little movement if you could just draw the first one and the last one and then have it generate the whole but they already have that with machine learning yeah they have that too but that yet with generative ai but what if they had a feature in the future that did that like they we don't have that now we have it already as something else but there are those like useful things that procreate ads in these animation apps ad that if they did have one like that that's generative ai i'm sure artists would flock to it yeah that's the other thing about like artists and which will apps they choose to use procreate nailed it with their core audience and their core users which is oh yeah we don't we don't want this generative ai stuff anyway that's why everyone loves the announcement and the people around it love the announcement but in the future potential of like do we want to grow or are we comfortable with our current core, how do we want to evolve in the future, they could miss out on people who might have used Procreate but flocked to a different app because a certain feature becomes super useful and turns out there's a moral way to do it, et cetera, et cetera, someday in the future.

1:02:19That we just don't know. You know, maybe it's okay if companies miss out on some things every once in a while. Totally fine. That's a fair point. I would like more companies to miss out on things. They've got a core audience and they're just going to keep doing what's best for that core audience and that's fine i think eric schmidt would disagree with you i don't know who that is uh one of the co-founders of google oh yeah he gave a talk at stanford recently where he was basically like you know what i would do if i was trying to start a copy right now i would generative ai copy tiktok exactly 100 he said that out loud yes he would say i copy everything about it i would copy the content i would copy whatever and you i would put the app store and if it wasn't successful in three minutes i'd do it again and put another one up there because if you steal and it doesn't blow up it doesn't matter but if you get successful you can just pay lawyers to clean up the mess he literally said this to a bunch of stanford students and then it got reported on by a ton of people and then he like forced stanford to take down the video he was like oh i didn't really mean that but you said that you said that okay That's all true.

1:03:25I only wanted to say it to the Stanford students. I'm 100 % serious. That's like the tech, the Silicon Valley equivalent of like, ain't no laws when you're drinking claws. It's just like, I don't care. I don't care about anything. Literally. This is a previous episode, Move Fast and Break Terms of Service. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's crazy, man. Cool. One more thing before trivia. I have it small in here. Did you guys see this, the circle to search song identification button? I did not see this. I would love you to explain. How do you circle a song? So circle to search, you bring up the UI, you know, you hold down the home button and you get the, the, where you can circle and you also get the little search bar and there's one other button.

1:04:09I forget what it is. Now there's also going to be a microphone button. So if you highlight something on the screen, it'll listen to the audio that's playing on there and can tell you what song. couldn't it just do that based on like reading your audio output already no this is different what do you mean i don't like why do you have to circle it maybe you don't have to circle it but you're in that ui menu and so like if you're playing a youtube video that's not just the song and says the name and title on it which is the example i saw you but like like if you're using like people are always saying what's the intro track to this mkbht video okay you could start the video, open Circle to Search, the UI, press the microphone, and it'll listen to the song.

1:04:50Oh, okay, yeah. And then it'll pull the song. Google Now on Tap just won't freaking die. They come back. Yeah, it's the new version. It can still hum songs and listen just in general, but it also can now listen to your on-device audio. That's sick. I thought that was pretty sweet. I missed Google Now on Tap. Apparently it's coming out on some devices already, but the microphone? Is it on Pixel yet? i don't know there was somebody on a samsung phone posted they said it's he said it's in the circle to search like yeah option that one right there no no that's what it looks like oh the music thing oh is that what's no sorry not a microphone a music note oh i see it's next to the translate but yeah this is literally google now on tab yeah this is bringing back i like it me too all right Well, we do have a little more to get to, which means we should take a quick break.

1:05:43But before we do, our second trivia question, please.

1:05:52If you're watching the video, just enjoy that close zoom up on Ellis's face as the lights again did not go off. I'm furious. Sorry, bro. Trivia question. How do you fix your lights? All right. So before Microsoft owned it, who bought Skype in 2005 for$2.6 billion? Billy with a B. Someone bought it. Microsoft bought it from somebody else? Yes. When did they buy it? 2005. So Microsoft's the one who's screwed up. Oh, you mean when did the first company buy it? No, no. That's it. I just want to know who owned it during the pandemic and absolutely fumbled that ball and let Zoom take over. Microsoft.

1:06:38But they had teams. Yeah. Yeah, that was the horse I chose to ride. We saw how that went. Okay. Enterprise, baby. We'll think about that one. We'll think about that one. We'll be right back.

1:06:59Oh, my God.

1:07:04Did you wait until after just to see if it would work? Yes. It did.

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1:08:00All right, welcome back. I wanted to... It's not a game. It's a question. I realized that there's a way I consume YouTube content that might be kind of weird and I want to see if any of you guys did and if our audience did and if any of you guys consumed YouTube weirdly while doing it not normally YouTube or like any video I guess we could say we could just say any form of content media content online something that consume it in a weird way in a weird way okay I'll give you my example and maybe this will make more sense because I think I'm pitching this weird yeah i have found myself a lot of channels that i'm super familiar with since i don't have time to just watch them that much anymore i will just turn my screen off and listen to them in the car but it could be something that is extremely not there are disc golf channels now i watch who play full rounds of disc golf that i listen to in the car because i've just learned to know these people so well like there's this channel called badanza disc golf and he plays like kind of the same courses pretty often and he speaks the same way and i can just i'm like i still want to know what discs he's throwing and how they threw and what he's thinking about doing that so i'll listen to whole disc golf videos in the car like an audiobook my hour commute is when i have the most time to like consume content it's true it makes sense for things like uh more like small documentary ones there's also a runescape channel i listen to all the time and they just explain things well enough that i'll just listen to them instead interesting that works with some channels certain channels asmr channels huh i know i've definitely done i've definitely been i've definitely listened to youtube videos in the car that i've definitely done what kind um because like filtefranco videos are good i've done that i haven't in a while because it's like a podcast it's a podcast similar enough like there's not a ton of visuals i need I'm just getting mostly news John Oliver I do all the time John Oliver's good too it's better with video all these things are better with videos but I don't have time to sit down and watch all of the things I want to consume you know why David you want to go you know how you could get your time back by watching everything at 2x speed pretty much so I don't listen to podcasts at 2x speed unless they're really boring and then I listen to them at 3x speed.

1:10:22Which I will tell you, I did have to condition my brain to be able to get used to, but now I've done it. Wait, there's no real 3x speed, right? Oh, yeah, there is. Wait. Oh, in podcast apps. Pocket Cast offers up to 5x. What kind of cycle? 5x? Wait. Yeah. What's a podcast you listen to in 2x? I don't want to say 3x because you said those are boring. Well, I don't want to call them out. Oh, wait, sorry. No, I don't want you to call them out. The boring one. Yeah. the boring one okay imagine that podcast you listen at 3x speed when's the last time you listened to it at normal speed uh when i first started listening to it do you think you could accurately pick their voice out of like a lineup now that you're their normal voice the pitch is maintained on pocket casts i feel like yeah pocket casts also has a skip silence feature so if there's a podcast where there's not a lot of overlapping voices and there's a lot of dead air in between sentences it will just trim silence.

1:11:24So definitely not ours. It would trim the end of all of my sentences. If you're listening to like I don't think that that's a feature you should use. That's terrible. I use that one. Really? Really? There's so much emotion in the silence. This is true for certain types of podcasts. I listen to a news podcast alright shout out to Isaac Saul I listen to Tangled, the podcast, pretty regularly. It's a sort of an... Yeah. Andrew put me onto it. I don't need the dramatic pauses. There's also not that many dramatic pauses. It's mostly news. So I can just get rid of the silence. That's fine. But if this was like reply all or like a story time type thing, you'd probably want to keep it.

1:12:01How much silence is in this podcast? Just enough to save five minutes every time. Five minutes? Out of what? That's a lot. Out of 25? I don't know. 20 % of the podcast is empty? He's newer to podcasting. He's working on it. Does it just sound like, and then there's this, and then there's this, and now I'm talking about this, and then there's this idea, and also this. The words are the same speed. There's just no pause in between them, so it kind of sounds like this, where I'm just talking constantly, but there's not a whole lot of gap between the words. And then I come in really instantly, and then it goes right back to, that hurts my brain, man.

1:12:31It's good. TikTok has ruined us. Well, this is the opposite of the TikTok meme of a Gen Z intern editing the boss's video for work where they only edit in the pauses in between all of their words. Well, I fully believe that YouTube videos, when you watch at 2x speed, you will not, it doesn't really feel like it's faster. It just feels like a video and then you finish it twice as quick and then you can absorb even more information. As someone whose daily effort and energy goes into making YouTube videos sound good, f*** you. It still sounds good at 2x speed. It absolutely does not. It doesn't. It really doesn't.

1:13:12I've tried. I think you've gotten used to 2X, which is why you feel this way. But as someone who has not, every time I try 2X, when I hold down on YouTube, that's when it fast forwards. And I think that's 2X. Every time I hear you guys speak, it just sounds like you're at 0.5. That's what it's done to your brain. It took me like six hours to do the audio for that Pixel intro. If someone sped through that, oh my God. I will admit, I have Slack default set to 2X. the videos that play on slack so when i watched your when i watched the intro for the pixel second clips well you know when i watched the intro for pixel i was like that that's kind of weird and then i was like oh so then i set it back to one x and then i watched it so if it's important if the vibe and the timing i was just gonna say that because we are the only ones here i think that watch at 2x speed everything shout out to my homies and i do switch back to i watch everything at 2x speed or sports highlights yeah 2x speed everything how anxious are you guys how what really anxious it's very anxious so i have anxiety issues but if it's an important thing like you're saying i will just like i'm always mindful of it so i just go back and switch it to 1x and i'm like if i'm listening to a podcast that i know they're doing like sound design i go to 1x i'm imagining you read books like are you just reading a book like tearing your hair out I read really slowly, but audiobooks, 2x speed, baby.

1:14:39What? That's crazy. That's a big difference. I'm imagining forgetting to turn it off and just looking up a minor home repair on my phone and then just being anxious. Everything's going to explode. You know what's funny, too, is because my YouTube is just default set to 2x, I sometimes watch music videos or listen to music on YouTube, and I'm like, I got to switch this back. Music sucks these days. I am so used to it. Why is every song one? It's crazy. I'm so used to 2X speed now. And then front of the pod, David Pierce. I've been listening to like Vergecast and he's always so quick with his like replies.

1:15:14And I'm like, oh man, this guy's like on it. And then I switched back to 1X speed and there's so long of a pause between his answers. Something feels like we're all talking faster talking about it right now. So someone listening to this at 2X, their speakers would probably explode. It's a lot. Yeah. So Marquez, what's a weird way you watch YouTube? Well, I don't do any of the... I don't do... Yeah, everything's 1x for me for sure. Wow. I don't know. I mean, most of my consumption is on mobile devices. That's totally normal probably. Totally normal. I have YouTube premium, so I haven't watched an ad on YouTube in years.

1:15:52That's probably, that's technically not usual because it's like 20%. Technically. But yeah, no, I'm in it for the love of the game. I watch everything 1x speed. I watch ads mid-roll ads you watch the mid-roll ads? yeah it's part of the video that's a joke no I don't there were some comments on the last podcast that were like yeah I watched the whole mid-roll just so you guys get more and I was like that's dope dude thank you that's some wild strong mental fortitude I appreciate that attention span You flexing on us. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think I have anything crazy. I bet Ellis has something. I got one thing.

1:16:37Okay. Which is kind of similar to you, Andrew. I watch a lot of stuff with the screen off, just taking it in. But NASCAR, of which I'm a pretty big fan, has most races that have ever happened on YouTube. Like, yeah, they're really cool about it. So if you go back to like 80s and 90s NASCAR races, back when it's like still like mostly in the deep south, like a much smaller sport, it's one of the most relaxing things to fall asleep to. Just like three, especially because. So it turns to the WAN show afterwards. Yeah, right. But it's just like an announcer with like a thick Georgia accent just being like, today's race is going to be different.

1:17:20And then what's even great, like even better, is that there's no commercial. Like it's the TV broadcast that's up. But there's no commercials in the TV broadcast. But they don't cut out the part of the race where the commercials would have been. Because in theory, then you'd be like missing six or seven laps. So it's silent. It's not silent. It's just the sound of the cars. It's just the mics on the thing. So you get like six or seven minutes of smooth southern accent. than like two or three minutes of just ambient cars and birds and then a little more talking. And ooh, man. Sounds nice. It's so nice.

1:17:56I like that. Yeah. I might be the only person that falls asleep to naturally aspirated V8s. No, you're not. Miles, definitely. Yeah, you're like, what am I talking about? I just, I remembered as you're saying that I, whenever I have a good internet connection, I automatically go to the quality selector and select the highest possible quality I can without it buffering. and then I pause and I wait like three or four seconds for it to get a little ahead of me and then I hit play. I do the same thing. Do you remember when you used to be able to do that for the whole video? Like if you wanted it, it would buffer the whole video.

1:18:29Yeah, it doesn't buffer the whole video anymore. I missed it. Yeah, YouTube's too smart now. Yeah, auto-throwing. Did you guys, because this is a long time ago when they let you, like I remember letting the whole video buffer on like the OG YouTube app with the TV. Yeah. Did you guys know, based on your home internet connection, what chunk of the video had to be buffered in order to make it all the way through? Oh, yeah. You get a good sense. That is like creme de la creme. I am old. Yeah. Yeah. Kids these days don't know about that progress bar on YouTube. Adam, do you have one? Just 2x speed.

1:19:042x speed. I think one that I've been doing recently also is picture in picture. So I've been like having the YouTube video minimized in the corner while I do other things. Yeah, it's actually pretty great. Can't lie. Speaking of that, you know what sucks? Google Messages had a picture-in-picture function where if someone texted you a YouTube video, you would click on it and it would automatically picture-in-picture in the corner. And they just got rid of it. And I'm like, why would you get rid of this? I'm assuming they just don't think people are using it. But the problem with a lot of Android apps, and this is a little bit of a rant, is that when you click a link from Google Messages, whether it's like a web link and it opens Chrome or it's a YouTube link and it opens YouTube, it'll bring you to that environment as if it's a full app, right?

1:19:52And then you go back to your home and then you go to open messages and it just opens Chrome. And you have to hit back a billion times until it finally brings up messages again. That's an Android thing, right? Yes, it is. and it's very frustrating. Yeah, I have found that annoying. It doesn't just open up the separate app. It opens up like an instance of the app within messages that... Like an in-app browser. It's awful. Yeah. It's better than... But it's not an in-app browser. It's like the full experience, but it just says that it's Google Messages, but it's not. I think it's better. It's still better than the iPhone equivalent where it's like, hey, this is better in the native app.

1:20:30And then you hit the open app button. And then it goes to the app store. Yeah, the app store. and then it'll be like open this app because you already have it and then you hit that and then it opens to the blank screen like and you're just like well this was yeah every time you get a reddit link on an iphone you click the reddit it's like it opens the in-app browser and it's like this is better in the app you're like okay and then just opens the app store and then you click open on the reddit app in the app store and then it just opens reddit but not to the reddit and it's impossible to access a reddit link it's such a shame that no one makes third-party reddit apps yeah that would be great yeah open apis maybe they should federate i don't know i also hate and this feels like a really easy thing to do but the google search bar widget is its own app other rather than just chrome oh my god and so like i'll do full internet browsing sessions that started from a search in that and then like do a couple other things and later i'll just be like where did all of that go it's why does it not just throw it in a tab in chrome when it's done you have to know to do like open like hit the little menu thing and like opening chrome oh yeah you were every it's so frustrating worse that happens on on ios too so yeah because you have to it'll have an in-app browser in a lot of cases like if you're on the reddit app or something and you open you hit a link it'll open in an in-app browser then you have to hit hamburger menu open in browser and then it opens up to keep things it's frustrating bad don't do that well you know we should do answer the trivia questions i was gonna say trivia and i look it worked it worked it worked this time we're back you're so bad it's like i go trivia but you didn't hit it and i just ended up sounding like a cat in 2009 oh oh thank you twitter unveiled its verification program.

1:22:26It did this because it was sued by a three-time champion of what sport? Movies. Movie sport. Quidditch. Actor. Mathematics. Are we just naming sciences and arts now instead of Google products? I don't know. I was thinking the guy that did the Nikon commercials that used to ask Ashton Kutcher because remember when Ashton Kutcher and it was at CNN were racing to be the first Twitter account to hit a million followers oh yeah I think it was Ashton Kutcher and CNN which is really funny ancient days of Twitter alright let's do a little reading I wrote basketball oh I wrote baseball that is correct dang boy I also wrote basketball the answer I wrote b-ball I was right when I saw you writing b-ball I was like I don't know she'd never drawn the basketball the person in question is long time manager of the St.

1:23:41Louis Cardinals Tony La Russa which if you google a picture of Tony La Russa he is the man who least looks looks like he even knows what Twitter is. This guy is like the epitome of like old dudes smoking cigarettes at a baseball diamond. He was probably told by his grandkids that he was being impersonated. And then he was like, I'm gonna sue them. If I remember correctly, it's not just that someone was on Twitter with the name Tony LaRusso pretending to be him, but they were also saying really bad things about the team that he was a coach of. Oh. Geez. Quick update on the score. Marquez with 16.

1:24:18I'm falling behind. Andrew with 19 David with 17 Did you give me that point? For anyone that yelled at me last week I didn't forget to give it to him I forgot to add it to the video He has the point It didn't update in the graphic I need this one bad Second question Before Microsoft owned it Who bought Skype in 2005 For 2.6 billion dollars Billy? 2005 That's a lot of money That is a lot of money, especially in 2005. Who had two people?

1:24:57I gotta go with that.

1:25:06Flip him and read. What do you guys got? I wrote AOL. Nope. Yeah, probably not. Or Yahoo. I almost wrote Yahoo. I almost wrote AOL. Salesforce. Nope. Good guesses. Can you give us a hint that this doesn't count for points? I just. You know what? I'll still let it count for points. Screw it. Here's the hint. Just whoever says it first. No. No. Rewrite it. Rewriting it? Oh, we're rewriting it. Rewriting it. Rewriting it. Okay. Here's the hint. Okay. You can buy things on it.

1:25:41Also, they sold it once or they sold 65 % of it before. Microsoft bought it. They were not the person that sold it directly to Microsoft. You can buy things on it? Timu. Sheehan. Sheehan. I feel like my answer makes no sense. Skype? Andrew, I'm getting good vibes from you. Flip it. I wrote eBay. That's correct. I also wrote eBay. That is also correct. That means eBay own Skype and PayPal. Oh my gosh. Remember when they owned PayPal? So get this. What'd you write? That's crazy. Amazon. They made PayPal. Oh no. No, Elon made PayPal. Well not made it, but like they made it. Oh yeah. True. That's every Elon conversation.

1:26:35That's a good one. Elon like made Tesla. No he didn't. No he didn't make it. But he like made it. But like made it, you know. True.

1:26:45That's such a good point. I'm losing now by a lot. That's okay. Good job, guys. You're only down by two from David. You're down by four from Andrew. That's like a multi-possession. Yeah, that's a lot. That's a lot. It's like the clock is ending. You got to start fouling, bro. I know. I needed a hackish sack. The next time I'm writing. I'm going to hold the whiteboard down as it's answering. Colin Steph Curry. Well, assuming there's no free throws, I'll be losing for a little bit. Anyway, thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Thanks for subscribing, of course. And thanks for rating us wherever you guys listen to podcasts.

1:27:17I know we try to make this as good for audio listeners as possible, so we appreciate your feedback there as well. Try. I just got an notification that Pocket Cast added ratings. And I don't know if that's old or not because I, you know, have been using Android now for like 10 days since the last time I was using Android. Well, I have Pocket Cast on iPhone, but I don't recall seeing ratings. So if that is in fact new, then feel free to give us a rating over there if that's your Pocket Player of Choice. which a lot of people do listen to us on podcasts. Anyway, catch you guys next week. See you later.

1:27:47Have fun with your dishes. I won't be here. Oh, yeah. Oh. It's going to be the Andrew and David show for two weeks straight. Party. Two weeks. We're getting drunk. I should mention, I guess I'll just mention before the chaos ends. The World Championships for Ultimate Frisbee that I told you guys about a couple weeks ago, a couple months ago, that is coming up in the next two weeks. so I will be in Australia. I will be listening to Waveform, not participating. It's a totally different time zone. I could participate if I wanted to. No pressure. I'll just fall further behind in trivia points and wish me luck.

1:28:22Okay. Good luck on becoming a real world champion. Thanks. Yeah, that's the plan anyway. Someone's going to send you a screenshot of Andrew and I, like the Elon photo of him smoking at the Joe Resident experience. What have they done? Anyway. All right, see you guys later. Bye. Waveform is produced by Adam Alina and Ellis Rofin. We're partnered with Vox Media Podcast Network and our intro outro music was created by Vain Silk. Bingo! Bad. No, don't do that.

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