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44:32I mean, it's closed by the earth. But a sea, is that different from an ocean? I actually don't know. It is. All right. Well, we'll think about that and we'll either learn something new or we'll figure out what the answers are. Answers will be at the end, like usual. We'll be right back.

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48:11There's just big new feature drops that come out through Android. Love it. And kind of out of nowhere, I believe it's yesterday as of time of recording, maybe two days ago, we got a lot of new features. So we're just going to run through a lot of them. Some of them are Android wide and some of them are Pixel drops. So it's kind of those like, oh, this is on Pixel only maybe for now, maybe forever, but probably just for now. Kind of like AirDrop. Kind of like AirDrop. Until it gets iPhone only for only 15 years. Yeah. So let's just go through this. Circle to search scam detection. Upgrade to circle to search.

48:46Dope. Now you can circle a scam or what you think might be a scam, which Adam's mom apparently needs. This is so useful. And it'll bring up a little thing that guides you through why it may or may not be a scam. It references it against all known scams. And then it'll tell you, oh, yeah, this is a common scam that does this, blah, blah, blah. So this is great if it works. Yes. Because imagine you circle to search an actual scam, but it's so new that it's not referenced yet. For sure. It tells you it's not a scam. My other concern is that the people that will make the most benefit of this is the people that are not good at knowing what a scam is on their phone.

49:25And that demographic probably also doesn't know how to use circle to search. But they probably have a nephew that can be like, hey, real quick, just circle to search by doing this one, two step. And it'll tell you. I will say that I just did circle to search on the message that my mom sent me, the screenshot of the obvious scam. And it said, if you were not expecting this message or do not have a paid cloud subscription, it is likely a scam. So it does do it. It's also like people search scams all the time. I got a letter in the mail the other day that looked super official to where like it had three perforations where you tear it kind of like like that usually means like check.

50:00Or it says open immediately. And it was sensitive. The funny thing was that initially got me is there was clearly a placeholder text in one part that it didn't change because I think it was supposed to know who my lender was. And it just said like lender in bold when it just didn't replace it. But anyways, I searched the exact thing. And just in Google's a million search results of like letter, same exact amount, same exact font. So like people search these. So it has the database to be able to find a lot. You can't circle search a letter, but I'm sure plenty of that happens. You can use Gemini Live.

50:34I think it's huge. If it works, Facebook about to be real sad that all their scam things on Facebook aren't going to sell. Allegedly, allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly. But yeah, what was it? Like 10 to 30, somewhere between 10 and 30 % of their business allegedly might go down too. Yeah. Allegedly. Yeah, because that many people are going to use Circle to Search. I don't know about that. Watch them make it so Circle to Search can't work inside of Facebook. Oh my God. Yeah, so I want to, First of all, these are the Android-wide features for the phones that have these capabilities. Emoji Kitchen is getting new expanded sticker combinations.

51:11Not useful. Wow. But fun. They're different people. I love Emoji Kitchen. It is fantastic. You can make monkeys hug each other on Emoji Kitchen. That's the example they used. Cool. But I'm saying not useful. All right. Call reason. This is interesting. you can now mark a call as urgent so that when the other person is getting the phone call it will say it's urgent on the call so that is useful because sometimes people call me while I'm busy and I'm like I'm not going to answer right now but if it did say urgent I would pick up and be like what's wrong I can't wait to call Ellis at 3 o 'clock in the morning with an urgent tag and he goes what and I'll be like you know nothing about C's so the caller just to be clear the caller marks their own call as urgent.

51:59Yeah. So that the receiver sees an urgent tag. Yeah, it'll put a little tag on it. This is urgent. I think it has to be Android to Android. But then you can circle to search the call screen. Yeah. Is urgent the only tag? Yes. I would so much rather have one that says not urgent. So when I call my mom and she doesn't pick up, when she sees that later, parents have to assume the worst about every single phone call. so that can just be like yeah just wanted that lean just wanted to say hi like you don't have to stop everything you're doing to call me well i saw something online that was like i mean if you're calling me instead of texting me it's probably urgent yeah there is that um i they did call it call reason and not like urgent call so i'm wondering if they're planning on potentially adding more reasons later like did you pick up the groceries i don't know at this point just sent a text i guess it's crazy yeah yeah i thought this was going to be just because this happened to me recently is yeah i got a phone call from a number i didn't know but rather than say probably spam it just said potentially medical because it was a new doctor i'd went to calling me back that yeah i've seen that before whoa wait that's actually really useful i never pick up calls that i don't know the number two and since it didn't populate i was like oh this is probably who I think it is.

53:18Right. And it was. Right. There's a new safety check feature in Google Messages. So if you've ever been added to a group chat in Google, which you can now get added to in like Google Messages, where it's just like, usually it's like a Bitcoin group chat, like a thousand people in it. This happens in WhatsApp all the time. This is why WhatsApp is not very good. Has never happened to me, but okay. Wow. Telegram though. I never get Telegram. Every other Tuesday. Do you pay the, I pay for it. Anyway. Okay. So now if you get added to one of these spam group chats, it will identify that and it will immediately have a little pop up that's like, do you want to leave and report this immediately?

53:58So it just assumes that you can sort of identify when things are kind of spam, spam group chats, which is nice. Chrome on Android is now getting pinned tabs. So if you're a big Chrome on Android person, you can now constantly have certain tabs that are always at the top of your tab groups. I like that. There are now expressive captions across videos. So when you're like watching captions on like YouTube or something, it will be like joyfully. And then it'll put the caption, which is interesting. And they're like colored and it's trying to like help you understand the energy that's coming from from the speaker.

54:35Sarcasm in videos is going to get way funnier. That would be so useful. Sarcastically. Or just like it not understanding it. It's going to be like joyfully. but like Marquez is saying something super sarcastic about like a new feature on an iPhone. Yeah. So that's coming to YouTube across all devices like immediately, which is cool. The guided frame feature, which is sort of the people with disabilities who cannot really like have trouble using their phone camera and it speaks out to them and says like where to move it so that they can center on the thing. That's getting a lot better. you can now tell Gemini to make changes while you are voice typing so you can type out a message and if you decide you wanted to change something you say actually change the part that says this to this and it'll do that that's the type of thing that I would see my parents do and I'd be like that doesn't work and it just starts typing what they were saying but the fact that it'll actually do that now would be kind of awesome stop, so you write the whole you speak the whole message out yeah you have to then stop and then say change this part um we're not completely sure i think you can do it i think you can do it fluidly yeah so can i be don't identify when you're saying certain things hey marquez i'm gonna be a little late to work oh way to erase that part i'm gonna be really late to work like it will do that mid-sentence and not just type the whole thing i thought it already did that maybe i don't i don't use text specifically because the text speech is really good but i I haven't been able to go back and edit parts of what I already typed.

56:12I think it's specific key phrases that will trigger it. Like that. Like what you said, Andrew. It would actually do that. Wait, actually erase that. It'll go back and erase that. Yeah, yeah. That's pretty awesome. So that's pretty cool. There's now better voice dictation that lets you edit certain words or shorten messages automatically. And then there are also better parental controls that make it easier to be a parent, I suppose. Boo. Boo. Boo. lame 32 okay we're adults all of those are coming to all Android devices yeah that's like the platform wide and then there's Android 16 QPR 2 pixel drop there's too many acronyms actually useful notification summaries so now we'll see about that so this is like a more thoughtful version of Apple's notification summaries.

57:08If you either have a very long message or you have a notification from a group chat, it will summarize it, but then you can click the little dropdown menu and it'll just show you the whole thing. It'll also show you the messages from the group chat in the little dropdown thing, or it'll show you the whole message. But overall, it'll just summarize it if it's a super long message or if it's a group chat. So it doesn't do all notifications. It's just per app and group messages. Yeah, it's in messages. this is gonna hurt so much more when you get broken up with over a text message and it's a really long thoughtful thing and then google's just like chaining to you well there's that famous like because you know how i message will do the like animations when you say certain words there's like this famous screenshot where someone says congrats you threw away our entire relationship for for a guy and it's got the streamers yeah on samsung it's like the wacky waving like inflatable arm guy like tough tough look um okay there's notification organizer so now your notifications get separated into categories which is so useful so now it'll be like news it'll be like it'll be like offers that kind of stuff so you just I love that I think that's amazing where is this in your notification shade so they're just turning into like gmail kind of the old inbox yeah sort of like I mean like pre-made you can kind of think about it in a similar way okay your notifications is just your inbox your whole phone yeah basically yeah yeah which is different types of stuff um and it'll silence lower priority ones so that you don't have to deal with like random little offers and stuff like that which is nice they now have custom icon shapes so you don't have to just be circles anymore you can be like little weird x thing you can be like squircle yeah just different there's like a triangle one like a one that's like flat on the bottom but then like a half circle on the top very strange they're kind of just you know they're just they're leaning into the material you kind of a lot of other launchers have this too so just like one more customization for your home yeah yeah yeah uh expanded themed icons so before it was like you would you would theme all the icons but there would be of course like one or two apps that didn't support it and it looked horrible now they truly will force it on every single app so it will work for every single app are we sure the amount of times i've heard this will for sure work it does work but i will say it doesn't work in the drawer the drawer is still just a regular yeah which is i'm a little i'm more okay with that but yeah there i'm there will be one icon that does not work somehow well duolingo famously changes its icon all the time and it does have like it did work on duolingo so if it worked on duolingo i would imagine it works on everything else yeah okay did it we're here there's now an option to force dark mode on every app as well.

59:59So apps that don't have a dark mode, it'll basically just like invert the white colors to black, but it does it in a like smart dynamic way. You know what happened to me recently? I saw a screenshot on Twitter of Spotify light mode and I went, wait a minute. I've never seen Spotify light mode. And I actually went into Spotify and started digging through settings. I was like, is there actually a light mode in settings? I found that there is not. Somebody just inverted Spotify. Oh. And it kind of looks decent. I'm sure album art looks weird, but yeah, there is no light modes for Spotify. Interesting.

1:00:33Yeah. I'm interested in this one because without that, I already have this issue where sometimes on my Pixel, it decides that, so like the notification bar on the top that has my time and battery percentage, it won't invert that correctly with the mode of the app that I have open. so let's say i have youtube open and it's got a white background it won't change the time and battery to now invert to black so now it's just fading into we i showed you this the other day or sometimes yeah like it's supposed to be black text and i have a dark mode thing yeah and i just lose my battery percentage yeah because it disappears yeah and i'll close the app and open it back up and that'll fix it but like i have very little faith in this if it's already screwing up that normally yeah yeah there's kind of just a lot of features that they announced a long time ago, but they're like, I swear it works now.

1:01:22On God for real. On God for real. No cap, no cap. You have expanded split screen options to have multiple apps up in, and now you can drag one to show the amount that you want the app to be open. There's even a 90-10 split, so you can have an app open 10%, and then have the other app open 90%. Is this like a sliver of the top of the app? Yeah, you got your little app ticker. 90 % Waveform Podcast, 10%. homework notes you should really be studying. Exactly. So that feels like they are putting it in it to prepare for more foldable stuff, to be honest, just to be able to be more malleable in that way.

1:02:00One of the biggest changes, which Adam actually posted about on threads, you can now, no, not on threads. He posted about this in the Slack. You can now adjust the intensity which HDR content displays. There's a slider now. So it'll show you the brightness that the HDR content comes through. I'm dragging it all the way up. Marquez. I'm dragging it all the way up. That's what it was. I want to be scrolling with low brightness. And I want to see your picture on Instagram and just boom. Marquez wants that flashbang in his bed. I want that impactful media. I just want to turn it all off. Turn it all the way up.

1:02:37I hate HDR. And then I wrote, thank f*** below that. Okay. There is a new remove toggle when you're removing apps from your home screen so now you don't have to like click and drag to the little like x in the top or bottom or whatever um when you like when you press on it there's just a little remove like like lots of other launchers have that already also yeah it's faster yeah wait no just dragging it to this trash is faster i don't think so because you have to you have to like long press it and then drag it that's always been faster for me because there's always like five little there's like uninstall view info and then the short whatever shortcuts there are so if it's a calendar event it'll be Like if you long press on the calendar icon, it'll show new event, view calendar, uninstall, close, remove.

1:03:23And I have to find remove every single time. So I just find that just highlighting and just dragging them to the trash is faster. Adam, do you have this yet? Yeah, it's awesome. It's just like not smart launcher. Is there a chance you could accidentally press remove? Can you show? Yeah. You have to find it. You long press the icon and it just pops up like one of the little options there is just remove. so that's yeah a bunch of other yeah a bunch of other that's one of those things where i'm going to love that but when my mom tells me like facebook is off my phone it's like you probably accidentally long pressed and hit remove oh my god i have to find remove it's the top it's the first i know but it's in different place every time like in instagram it was it's the top this time things change there is a new quick adding of app shortcuts in that same menu is awesome Yeah.

1:04:13So Adam, you want to explain that since you have an iPhone? Yes, I have this already. And this is basically the same little gesture if you just like long press something. Certain apps have like quick functions you can do. Like, for example, Duolingo, if I long press, will just say, do you want to open Duolingo or do you want to like jump straight into a lesson? So instead of always clicking Duolingo, always clicking to my most recent lesson, I can do one of these app shortcuts and just hit do a lesson. And it pops up as like a little shortcut on my like home screen. so I can remove the actual Duolingo app and just have that there so I can just go straight into a lesson every time there's a bunch of other apps that also have similar things like YouTube you can jump straight into shorts if you want for some reason you can jump into subscriptions of course they would add that there's a reason I chose YouTube but yeah there's like not all apps have this I think it needs to be like implemented by the developer obviously but like the WNBA app I just have it straight up to give me the schedule just like the games show me the next games that's it i don't need to go in through looking through the whole map yeah it's pretty cool that's nice if instagram has a shortcut to go straight to reels we just brought back igtv oh it's essentially what it was yeah yeah it was a separate app just just reels yeah um okay there's a new widgets view so if we remember android only decided to care about widgets again after apple started doing widget stuff but better because they hadn't updated them since like 2012 now there's a very rich widget showcase that has two little options there is a featured tab and there is a i wrote it down here uh where is it yeah featured tab oh sorry there's a featured tab and there is a browse tab the featured tab will show like the richest most fun most interesting widgets that it assumes you want to use and then the browse will just like kind of showcase all the widgets what's nice about it is that it's rich so it shows them sort of moving and doing the things that they do instead of the old version of adding widgets where it was just like you have to select from a number and you didn't really know what they looked like and all this stuff and yeah it's much better now um quick share now allows you to do the tap thing that you can do on iphones where you tap your phones together so if you have quick share on you can tap to connect to another work with an iphone No.

1:06:31Do you think it does a cool animation? No. Really? It doesn't. I saw someone demo it. It doesn't do an animation. How have I never realized that the tap to share thing is kind of like two phones dabbing each other up? Or like... Send me your contact info. Yeah. Works to me. A lot of these features... This is the first time we've seen Google do Android stuff that iOS had already implemented and not the other way around. No, no. No, this has happened many times. They steal from each other. I thought it was always Apple just copying. It was at the beginning. And then they would innovate, and then Android was like, this is almost Google copying other launchers.

1:07:12They're making Pixel launcher just straight up. They're Sherlocking other launchers. Just like, oh, you wanted this? Here it is. Now, if I could just get rid of the at a glance widget, that'd be great. Oh, my God. Yeah, how is that not? I would return all of these just to remove at a glance on my home screen. Oh, my gosh. It's insane. What is at a glance? It's... Okay. Oh, God. Do not know what it is. But, Ellis, this is why it's insane. It takes up a part of your home screen and can be a bunch of small little notifications or the weather or time. You can turn it off, but it keeps it there. Just it doesn't give you the notifications.

1:07:48You can never take it off of your home screen. It's permanent real estate. And it's just like a date. And then it just goes like the date and time, which I already have. In the corner. In the corner and I have my clock widget that I like. Clock widget is almost unnecessary with that, but I still prefer a bigger clock, but that means I also have to have at a glance. If there's something I can't wait to be on killedbygoogle.com, it's at a glance widget. Okay, there are expanded biometrics options, so you can select apps that you want to force to use, like face detection for phones that support, you know, their version of Face ID, which is usually not IR.

1:08:30But you can force it to have additional security through Face Unlock, which is helpful. And then, a little small thing, there's now a time zone changed notification that you can enable. So if you live in the European Union, you love trains, and you're not sure. As you know. As you do. and you're not sure if your phone has updated the time zone yet, which is important for when you're setting calendar appointments and you're doing all that kind of stuff, you can now make it so your phone will give you a notification saying, the time zone changed to this time zone. That's sick. Yeah. Very useful.

1:09:06I immediately thought of a short where you go on the line of a time zone difference and you jump back and forth between it and see how many notifications. That's another one of those things. That's like oceans and seas. Like when am I actually in the other time zone? Like, I know that there's a time zone line on a map, but is it really, like, a two-foot difference between time zones? There's no way, like, I can step two feet over. Time isn't real, Marquez. I mean, I know that. Talk to Arizona. We know. I think I'm developing this too much as, like, that one spot in Arizona where you can jump between, like, four states.

1:09:38Which, that part is real, which is super cool. I just wonder, like, I know. Yeah, but states aren't real. Whenever I land at an airport in a new time zone and I take my phone off airplane mode, it takes like 10 seconds and it like goes oh you're on a new time zone and it just changes the clock nothing happens so it's like cool that it'll tell me i'm in a new time zone but i do wonder where exactly does that switch over yeah there's probably there's got to be a little i want to know i don't want to know what do you mean it's just the state lines yeah but is it u.s it's the state line so if i because when i'm driving on a road and i see the welcome to new york sign that's not the exact state line it's not only like texas has two times if there's no people in a place.

1:10:20It doesn't matter what time it is. Actually, multiple do. Multiple states have. And it's not the state line. But there's a time zone line, let's say in Ohio, right? Michigan. Michigan's the farthest one. So if I live on one side of the line and I drive my car to the next town over on the other side of the line, my phone will switch. At what moment is my phone triggered to switch? Is it when my GPS coordinates are exactly one meter past an exact line, which is somewhere. I would imagine so, yeah. And then can I just ping back and forth over that line by like two yards and switch my time zone back and forth?

1:10:58This is useless. I think it will. Yeah, yeah. I would imagine so. Yeah. I just want to check. I don't think it's state lines. Really? Which is confusing. Are there states in multiple time zones? Many. According to this map, and this is not an AI overview. Yeah. But it's funny because I didn't think it. then you said that I was like that would make the most sense because it's weird to be in the same state on multiple lines. Time zones in general don't make sense. Tom Scott has a great video about this from like a decade ago. That's all you have to tell me and I agree. I just would like to this is something I would do for a YouTube short is just go to the line with my phone and just walk across the line and see what happens.

1:11:37Well what's confusing though also else is it looks like sometimes it uses a state line and sometimes it doesn't. That's wrong. It seems like Texas Kansas brutal for more than that reason sorry Kansas I don't even talk about time zones I was right Michigan is the far I mean unless you count that little sliver of Indiana it's a little sliver of Indiana that's why Michigan is so fun in the summer because it's so far west that the sun doesn't set until like 9 or 10pm that's nice it's so fun wow isn't there a city in michigan that you yelled at a couple months ago anyway detroit that's really funny is i talk all this smack about detroit which then gets cut from the podcast i really hope but my safari uh my my safari like when i open safari the default background is cade cunningham so playoff cade all right that was a basketball reference cade's really good right now yeah chris paul too too soon that's gonna age really poorly if something crazy comes out in the next two days anyway okay like okay anyway sorry time zone change not gonna answer time zone change on android biggest feature um that's about it for that so so if you got a pixel or you're on android exciting times it's kind of i'm kind of jealous i've been on ios for a little now and i'm pretty jealous that they just get like random feature jobs i will say it has been very nice being on android this time around yeah every year i jump back and forth and i stand by it that ios i think has better apps but android as an operating system is so fun dude it's so much more fun liquid much more liquid ass is so bad it's so bad and like and material three expressive horrible name is great like material p expressive

1:13:37i gotta it was on brand yeah that's a good well it's good material limoncello right right limoncello do you want to talk about youtube recaps why don't we make after the next ad break okay all our recap all the recaps okay because it's all recap news yeah that's true all right just to wrap it out uh related to last week last week we talked about how dji or maybe it was two weeks ago i don't know it was either the last week or the week before i don't know what time zone i was in um so we talked about how dji might get banned from the united states before the end of the year because of this they have to do a security clearance thing that they're probably not going to do because they're lazy and uh if that happens that would be weird because the osmo pocket 4 which if for those that don't know the osmo pocket is probably dji's most popular product for creators uh it's this little tiny thing that's basically a smartphone sensor but But I don't know why people buy it, but they like it.

1:14:31It's pretty good. It's good. It's awesome. It's popular. The Pocket 4 just passed the FCC, which is the Federal Communications Commission in the United States. It was just certified by the FCC, which means its launch is usually quite imminent after things pass the FCC, like within a month or two. But they're going to be banned within three weeks. So the options here are like they pass the FCC, but they just never sell it in the U.S. or it passes the FCC and it's sold for two weeks? If it passes the FCC, would they revert it? Because once it's banned, everything they make, period, is banned. They can't import any devices into the United States after that.

1:15:13Unless they did the Nintendo Switch 2 thing where they just fly as many in as possible. I was picturing a timeline where they're like, this just got approved. Everyone scramble, ship as many to the U.S. as possible and just store them somewhere so that when they get banned, we can at least profit from selling the ones that we made it over the years. wine yeah before the door closed it is possible that's crazy yeah it's crazy so it's kind of like a will they won't they kind of thing or we'll just go to canada buy one from best buying canada oh true yeah i guess we could do that yeah yeah anyway okay we're gonna do trivia and then we're gonna recap our years all the things through various data tracking algorithms and we're gonna like it but first i have to correct myself one and thank you for pointing out that i do not know how time zones work totally i realize i know way less about time.gov is a really cool website i found i love it the second correction is earlier i said in between 10 and 30 percent of meta's profits come from scams allegedly uh i was wrong about that the reuters article claims that meta internal documents say that 10 % of their profits come from scams.

1:16:25Adam. What does Arizona think they're so much better than everybody else? I mean, they're right. Arizona Mountain Standard Time. Come on, y 'all. Come on, guys. But also, we kind of are jealous a little bit. I'm pretty jealous. Very jealous. They just never have to deal with this bullshit. Basically, daylight savings. Question number two. So, we just spent most of that segment talking about all the new Android features in the QPR2 release right yeah yeah what does that stand for i have an idea but i'm not sure i forgot i did i did know this like a couple months ago and i just don't remember anymore at all it's totally escaped me which means i'm gonna guess and then r slash android is going to declare me an idiot well that's just that's already happened that's already happened that's unavoidable i just was forecasting a little bit fun fact the people who make qpr2 are the same people that make the mayonnaise?

1:17:16You know, that was originally going to be my question, but I was like, they're not going to know what I'm talking about. I love Kupi mayonnaise. Rich brought in Kupi mayonnaise. Eric brought it. Eric brought it. Eric brought the Kupi mayonnaise. That did happen. All right. Well, we'll all either know it or we'll take a guess. And answers will be at the end like usual. We'll be right back.

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1:20:37Visit coderabbit.ai slash mkbhd. All right, this week, YouTube proved that they do at least hear what we are saying to them because they announced a feature that I and others, Hank Green notably, have been pitching on Twitter for years since they killed YouTube Rewind, which is we want wrapped. I still want them to call it Rewind. I agree. I said they should have called it Rewind, and that's totally fine. I get it. They want to abandon the name. But the idea would be, I just want to know all the stats and numbers and insights and analytics from the videos that I watched on YouTube this year. I watch a lot of YouTube.

1:21:15And kind of similarly to Spotify wrapped, I feel like it's kind of like a window into who you are. It's kind of like an interesting insight into your year. So YouTube did finally do that this year, and it's rolling out this week. almost all of us have it andrew still hasn't gotten it's supposed to be like this week on his phone arguably the most google faithful here with the google phone doesn't get yet but it's called youtube recaps and if you do have it you can open it up it's in your account page and it can walk you through it was it's kind of like a first gen product it's not the most insightful thing in the world but it shows you like the channels you watch the most and like the genres you watch the most and it's kind of interesting and i feel like i've had some things that i learned and some things that were like clearly wrong in there yeah but uh it was cool it did i think my most interesting stat is i watched allegedly 1880 channels this year oh my god i watched 538 you watch three times as much do you scroll shorts on there uh on the youtube app yeah yeah that would count that has to count really i could see that fly that's interesting yeah i guess that would instantly bump up the number of channels you watch doesn't show any shorts channels when i look at the channels though it also didn't what do you mean yeah i mean like these two have shorts on them so like i mean they have shorts on them but they're not main you know now but it's looking show up in the shorts this could just be long form it could be i'm not sure that it includes shorts and it doesn't say there's no like numbers to any of this it's just kind of telling me like here's what you watched but i feel like this could just be long form well my top channel is the waveform podcast hell yeah i bet some people watching this their top channel is waveform podcast yeah uh so shout out to you guys maybe send us the screenshots on twitter they have appreciate i would argue most people watching this probably has it as their top channel because if you watch it on youtube the hours you are putting it's true it's just default and again it doesn't it doesn't say how it's measuring it is it by hours is it by total views is it by percentage of catalog watched because i saw a couple channels in here that like i haven't watched that many videos of them but i'm in the top three percent of waveform viewers that's pretty definitive you watch a lot of it and most more than most people and i make a lot of it how many channels did you say you watch mine said 1880 channels okay i i got 1770 hell yeah do you watch shorts on youtube no okay so yeah it feels like it could just be long form and then it shows like a screenshot of like a bunch of channels and it seems like it's so while i'm playing dota you're watching youtube yeah what i'm saying is that marquez you were not on the list of my tech channels that i watched oh you were you were categorized in my recap as a business insights channel really really interesting yeah the number one business insights reviewer in the world business i mean i'll take it i saw someone say that waveform clips was categorized under gaming yeah i saw that too we know a lot about gaming we've never had any algorithm we are the nintendo switch 2 podcast honestly maybe that's why there's a good amount so it gives me youtube recap gave me my top three genres so one was tech news two was sports content three was comedy didn't know that but i guess that's technically true uh and then it gives me a couple other things it doesn't show me i would say spotify wrapped is a more developed product yeah with more interesting insights very developed But shout out to YouTube for actually listening.

1:24:38This is a good first try. Now, next year, build in some interesting number crunching or insights. How many hours of YouTube did I watch this year? I want to know that. I want to know something Spotify did this year with Wrapped. They analyzed your listening history and just came up with a listening age. And it gives you a number of like, you have the listening habits of a 20-year-old or a seven-year-old. Interestingly, today is my 32nd birthday and it said mine was exactly 32. Hilarious. Crazy. I also think like if Amazon did a wrapped, it would know way too much about you to get it wrong and it would just tell you your exact age.

1:25:20This is totally not because I'm really salty that I'm the only person here without. Recap right now. I feel like the reason Spotify wrapped works so well is because it has a singular day where everybody is sharing it. So to roll this out gradually, and not have everyone having it and sharing it at the same time. The amount of people who are going to be like, oh, I'm hyped. I want to go look at it. And it's not in your profile. You've just lost a share. Sounds like a you problem. Yeah. A YouTube problem. Well, YouTube rolls out features in stages and waves a lot. And I almost wonder if they even have the ability to like, I mean, other than removing the like, dislike button.

1:25:58They could do it. They're a trillion dollar company. They could do this. Yeah, they should be able to pull, they should be able to hit a button and every single thing on the second largest website on the planet should change. What was your YouTube award? Mine is the most likely to have the latest tech and still know the best local coffee shop. That's spot on. Which is extremely accurate. That's pretty specific. Extremely accurate. Mine was the most likely to know what's going on behind the scenes of a news story before other people have heard the news story. Wow. That's also very specific. That's not insinuating.

1:26:29You just know. I'm a f***ing genius, Brian. He's the one that committed the crime. my award is most likely to find the coolest new gadget before everyone else yeah that's mine that seems pretty generic yeah to be honest are you the curious mind i'm the curious mind i'm the what's my personality wonder seeker i'm the wonder secret marquez do we have the same youtube right maybe tech product reviews also was bad bunny also your top listen too no i've never heard a bad bunny song in its entirety that is a lie in its entirety bad bunny was yours yeah on my spotify bad boony yeah do you know that line in the office where he's like i love inside jokes i'd love to be part of one one day that's how i feel right now with all you guys i don't know what any of you are talking about oh you know it's funny after you watch your youtube recap it has you do a questionnaire to whether or not you think that it it was good it was good or not hey whether or not it actually it says rate your level of agreement this recap reflects who I am, my interest preferences, etc.

1:27:30They're trying. The first screen, if you look very small text at the bottom, it says AI can make mistakes. So it was definitely made with AI. Damn. I mean, I'm not shocked. Microsoft uses AI. AI can make mistakes. It does say that. Very tiny. Very small text. I'm sorry, Andrew. Yeah. Anyway, I'm so irrationally mad about this. And before everyone asks, I don't have my history deleted or anything. I don't have any of the special things that would not let me have it YouTube just hates me. Well I still don't have my Google Photos recap which was what we were about to talk about. I don't have that either.

1:28:05That I do have. You have it? I do have that one. Wow. So Google gave that to me. Do you want to go to that? Yeah we'll go to Google. Are you guys done with it? We'll just finish up Google. YouTube recap? Yeah. Still should have been called YouTube Rewind. Agreed. And I do want to say really quickly I know that YouTube Rewind got progressively more cringe but I like I feel like there's something cultural about that you know. keep the name like own the name i know if they must have really really realized how bad it was but it would have been way better to own it what has changed though like that this is something i'm thinking about a lot recently there's not really like a singular cultural event that everyone like it doesn't happen that much anymore that there is one topic that everyone is watching and seeing and talking about so because of algorithmic timelines and everything being curated to for you so now like the youtube rewind you know it already felt a little out of touch because it would be some like artists that you hadn't you've never heard of them before and it was like oh they were really popular that's crazy but now it'd be like i would not recognize literally anything that happened on it which is why this is a perfect replacement for it so it's just telling you about yourself and what you watch but i want to feel more connected to the world that's why the best youtube rewinds the best youtube rewinds were the first few where it was just the extremely extremely small selection of the couple of memes yeah that everyone was aware of which there are like no there are everyone's aware of there's only like five like six exactly six seven you've all seen the only thing they've all heard you've all seen maybe like one major sports event of the year and one major cultural like event or one or two celebrities that like had a big moment or something like that that would be it but i feel like i mean in a tech space even now the Android releases are not going to be like a big Android 17.

1:29:57They're all just coming out all the time. There used to be stuff every day on Twitter that we would, they would be the topic of the day that does not happen almost at all anymore. Yeah. Every now and then, but not very often. Yeah. If you were in charge, if you were in charge of YouTube rewind today and you were trying to do it the same style as the last few rewinds, you would have a list like 70 pages long of things to include and it would just be impossible. Yeah. So glad they didn't try that. Like K-pop. Yeah, I feel like it could be like - K-pop Demon Hunters, my name. K-pop Demon Hunters, Coffeezilla.

1:30:28K-pop. I feel like this was kind of his breakout year. Or did he start - No. That was like two to three years ago. His breakout year was probably two to three years ago. I think when like the bigger NFT crypto scammy stuff - The 2022 - It might be longer than last year. No, no, no, no. I think it was two to three years ago. In 2022, I think he was still a coffee channel. I didn't even know he was a coffee channel. doing a lot of the crypto stuff during the metaverse wave his most popular video three years ago four years ago two years ago two years ago yeah yeah yeah 2022 actually two years ago was his really big year the biggest youtubers were still mr beast and like the most obvious ones that you're thinking of t-series and that's fine all right tell us about google photos recap that apparently only you have, Andrew.

1:31:17Yeah, this is the Pixel Reward. This is my Pixel Reward, not the other Google product from YouTube. I mean, Google Photos is awesome already in that it does a lot of these memories together or like this day back, like photos from this day in previous years. But it pretty much just gives you at the top of your screen a like 2025 year recap. And you just scroll through it and it pretty much is just going to show the people you took the most photos of. I have 1 ,800 photos of Lane apparently from this year, which is then funny because then it's Claire and then the third person is just Lane, but it doesn't put Lane's name to the face.

1:31:59But yeah, it's just kind of going through all people you've taken photos of. Mine is just all Lane pretty much, but exploring new places, things you've done. I've gone to a lot of Devil's Games theme parks, I guess it's it's another good service to have a rewind and then it throws some videos at the end just like clips them all together which is awesome I think as a parent right now yeah this is like one of the coolest things ever maybe that's why I gave it to you first and this is really cool because I can share it just through Google Photos with other people I think like one last thing about harping on being a parent is like when you have a kid start a shared Google Photos album with everyone who might take pictures of them that they can then look at and it's the best thing ever yeah i i think that's really awesome yeah they also added a new feature to this google photos recap where you can now export directly to cap cut for some reason it's specifically cap cut and they have a bunch of different templates where you can put different photo real stuff in it um yeah i guess it's like they really want you to make a short out of it or something i'm sure to share it yeah the other funny thing is there's also an option called replace people or photos so i guess if you because i guess we all take photos of like random things all the time maybe a receipt yeah maybe just like this is where i am so like if that happens to pop up you can replace the photo replace people is really funny i guess maybe if you take too many photos at like work and there's someone from work that you don't want to be with all your other family members i'm assuming it will take out the couple slides that's dedicated to that person the tags it recognizes yeah yeah so you can edit it i'm glad because not to go dark but that could also be a thing if you lost a family member this year and then it's giving you a recap of like yeah look at all these pictures and i don't want to see that right now that might be like good to see the memories of the person but like if you broke up with somebody then you don't want to see the memories with the person.

1:34:05Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I can see that. Well, that's depressing. Yeah. Spotify is the next one. Spotify kind of kicked off this whole, like, recap thing, and now friggin' Eight Sleep is probably doing a recap. Wait, I want that. How'd you slept this year? Wait, I want that. Eight Sleep wrapped? I don't know. I didn't get the Spotify age thing. You didn't? No. It's in the... I know, I was looking in your wrap, it didn't... Huh. No. I guess I'm timeless. that's what I want to ask I think there was two main things in raps this year that were different that were fun and one is it calculates your age based on music you listen to and also the last one was towards the end it created files of kind of like your most music listening day it would be like the day you listen to the most different genres the day you listen to this one artist too many times and have a little recap but yeah I wanted to ask what everyone's listening age was?

1:35:02Mine is 47. 47. Mine is 32. 32. That's hilarious because it's your birthday. Yeah. I think David and I are on the older end. Mine was 87. I thought it was 77. Oh, was it 72? Mine was... So, mine's kind of interesting because it's also old. I believe it's 68. The only thing is... And Marques had an interesting point about this, so maybe he's right. I listen to a lot of older music. Oh, 73. Oh, 73. Sorry, not 87. That was 73. that's wild yeah it was old it knows you make fun of spotify all the time i'm the enigma baby i mean my genres are indie pop ska punk minneapolis sound whatever that means that's prince pop and alternative rock and how is that 73 i think it's more based on when the music came out and when you're possibly be yeah i mean it plays joanie mitchell when i am mine's yeah mine played Bruce Springsteen when it said 68, but it also said in my top genres, number four was lullaby because of how many things I played for Lane, which makes me wonder if my age should be way higher and that's actually pulling my average down really hard.

1:36:10But then you said - I thought it was interesting. Obviously, a lot of one-year-olds listen to lullabies, but maybe they're not the ones listening to it on Spotify. It's their parents who are listening to the lullabies on their Spotify. So it knows based on you listening to lullabies that you are around a parent's age. Yeah. Yeah, potentially. Great point. They also just know how old you are. That was the thing. I think it just knows. But it's supposed to just tell you you're a listening age. It's just sad that mine's the same as my age. If it was just trying to actually guess our age, it's all really bad.

1:36:40It's just boring. It's perfect. It's boring. I also found a very funny, I forgot to mention this. I found a very funny bug in the YouTube recap. So as many people know, I watch almost every video at at least 2x speed. Unfortunately. The YouTube recap will play music in the background based on a song that you've listened to through YouTube music, apparently. I don't really know how it picks it. But if the last video that you watched on YouTube before you start your recap you were watching at 2x speed or something else, it plays that song at 2 to 3x speed. No. Nice. So watch this. So I don't know if we can play this because I copyright.

1:37:19But if I switch, let me just switch this playback speed to 3x. Okay. You're just in like a random video right now? Just a random video. And then I go to my YouTube recap.

1:37:34And it's like doing the recap, but it's like playing it at 3x. Wait, can you find royalty-free music to do this? No, no, no. It only does your most played song through YouTube music as your background. Streetlight Manifesto sped up just sounds like Through the Fire and Flames. I thought it was Through the Fire and Flames. I thought it was. Yeah, that's really funny. Well, that song's not technically out yet, so maybe it's not copyrighted. I'm pretty sure Through the Fire and Flames has been out for quite some time, baby. I played Through the Fire and Flames at a party, and someone was like, what is this?

1:38:06And I was like, oh my God. Is that person uncultured? That's why you're listening to age 73. Jeez. Dragon Force. That was really funny. Well, anyway, if you guys have us on your wrapped or your recap, because we could be on your YouTube recap or your Spotify wrapped. Send it to us. Yeah. Yeah. I want to see it. Yeah, I want to see it. I also wanted to end this with one other wrapped we got is in Megaphone, we get wrapped for creators, which if you guys want to open the link, you can, we have not looked at this, but this is basically our wrapped for waveform of people who listen to us. I thought we'd go through it really quick.

1:38:46I think we usually do this every year. So if you guys want to pull it up at the production desk, let's go. 2025 this year is quite the year for you scroll down this is just on spotify or is this across well no megaphone is across all audio yeah yeah so this should do everything it's just that megaphone's owned by spotify now so okay little proof that hard work pays off 2.3 million total plays again audio only nine percent increase of total audience from last year okay 122 000 total new audience wait what isn't that what we just total audience total new audience 56.8k up 350 % from last year our audience I don't know what that means well this is audio right this is just through Spotify or is this megaphone this is what pushes all distribution that sounds like a totally wrong number total followers 274 ,000 up 7 % from last year.

1:39:47Is that right? 52.6 million minutes of listening. How many, do I have more hours in Dota 2 than people listening? Well, here we go. Hours of listening, 877 ,000 hours of listening. Pretty close. That is 36.5 thousand days, 5.2 thousand weeks. Is that just this year? 1.2 thousand months and 100 years. Centennial. wow this is our centennial that's so many dishes that's a lot of dishes wait is that it oh wait no no the charts number nine we hit number number nine what the charts waveform fkbhc podcast you hit number nine like total number nine we're sorry we know we have hands we didn't think it hurt that bad did we hit the number nine I just what is the chart just as the charts you were on the charts for 43 weeks you charted in eight countries that's not me what does that mean clearly they did not put as much work into they put way too much work in the animations for all of this because they're really good thanks daddy one episode or most popular episode what do you think are what episode rose above the rest you I didn't know which one it is.

1:41:07Vision Pro. Apple iPhone. Was it? Vision Pro? Oh, iPhone 17. Our live. Oh, yeah. Our Apple Park event. Yeah. 60 ,000. 40 % more than the average episode. Wow. Nice. Wait, was that our. That wasn't the bonus one. No, it was the one right after. I was going to say, yeah. We're still quoting it. Whatever that means. Hot takes, leave notes, and everything in between. Love notes. What does that mean? These are all the comments we haven't enabled. Oh. No, just the comments that we barely know how to read. Well, there's hundreds of them. YouTube Needs to Fix This episode got the most comments. The most used emoji was a thumbs up.

1:41:49The United States left 716 comments. Most comments were left on June 19th. Sorry, were you going to say something else? Is this on Spotify? Yeah, this is through Spotify. Sorry, if you comment on Spotify. Good job. we probably don't we've never seen it it's just we don't have a process in place to like actively yeah replying stuff yeah our listening past oh this is the most fun part the like 158 countries reached there are 158 countries there's I can't name all the planet uh oh oh all right top countries United States United Kingdom India Canada Germany everybody else needs to step it up come on man yeah get your friends to listen you're never gonna chart at this rate you're charted you charted number nine um your show made it to the top of many fans lists what's a list i don't know it's it's next to charts you're a top 10 show for 71 000 fans that's pretty awesome top five for 55 000 fans number one show for 18.7 thousand fans.

1:42:59Shout out fans. Including me on YouTube. Your top fans streamed 2.6 times more than everyone else. Yeah. I feel like this has to just be Spotify. There's no way they could collect Spotify. Yeah, this feels like Spotify only data. I don't think they can collect this data from you. They don't have user data from our process. Okay. Unless they're like logging everybody's IP all the time. Minutes and stuff like that total. or that could probably be I have no idea well it's a Spotify URL because it's through Megaphone which is what pushes to RSS for us Spotify owns Megaphone yeah but I think it's pretty clear this is all just Spotify then that's crazy because all these numbers are way higher because Spotify isn't even our most listened to I don't know because Megaphone gives us

1:43:48Megaphone gives us numbers outside of Spotify that's what I'm saying I would guess that the listening numbers are probably from all platforms because you can detect how many times an RSS feed is pulled from megaphone servers, but I don't know how they would know our users' top shows from RSS infrastructure. It's really simple syndication. Oh, keep scrolling. These get really interesting when you scroll down. The top artists? The top artists from people who listen to our podcast. What? I don't know one or two, which is probably... I don't know one. I don't know two. Who's four? Three is Kendrick Lamar, four is Taylor Swift, and five is Drake.

1:44:28Who? Top audiobooks you guys listened to. Number one, John Green, Everything is Tuberculosis. Number two, Ezra Klein, Abundance. Number three, Gary Stevenson, The Trading Game. Number four, James Clear's iconic Atomic Habits book. And number five, Mark Manson, The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F***. Wow. it's there's something funny about talking about not giving a and then censoring the word on the cover yeah it sounds like you give a little bit you gotta book everywhere you gotta sell the book and then other top shows that you guys listen to let's just say number two number one well jerry is the most popular podcast on earth so joe rogan's number one the wan show number two the verge cast number three the new york times daily number four the bill simmons podcast Yo, Waveform listeners know Ball.

1:45:21You know Ball? Y 'all know Ball? Okay. Pretty awesome that the JerryRig Everything Experience is the number one podcast. That is interesting. Who's Bill Simmons? Sports computer. Just leave it at that. Sports guy. Big sports guy. Yeah, the last thing says, fans listen to you for longer than 99 % of other shows. So we have a show that keeps people listening for long durations. Wow. Which for a podcast, I feel like is a pretty big achievement. that's pretty cool honestly shout out to adam for that because if you were in the room with us you would leave so fast that's a good i haven't left yet contractually i don't know i have to cut them sometimes where you leave oh yeah that's true you receive more shares than 99 of other shows really that feels like something there's a lot that feels like a great accomplishment they shared all the iphone the iphone video iphone and that's it okay well we charted whatever that means we did that doc i charted we charted we charted we listed and now we trivia unlike nathan drake who uncharted we charted we charted sea of thieves charted the seas all right relax and another thing also i just what's an ocean anyway i just blinked and this animation thing was like in my because it's like pulsing I learned when I was really young that C is for cookie and that's good enough for me we could have solved that whole argument with that one I did long division for this one so this is is that the first question though how did you do long division for the first question I don't see I don't see any that's not long in this class you gotta show your work brother I did long division would you ask chat QBT okay Guys, the OnePlus 15's battery is insane.

1:47:18How many times larger in milliamp hours? Is it larger or longer? It doesn't matter. How many times more in milliamp hours is the OnePlus 15 than my 12 mini? Closest delta. Closest delta. Oh, wait.

1:47:39We have really milked this piece of music for so much at this point. It's incredible. It's timeless. I wish I remember who wrote it. Let's switch to Sid Meier's Simgolf theme song next. You guys probably haven't heard it. Sid Meier's Civilization. We were both like, Marquez, everyone's heard of Civilization. I heard of Sid Meier's Simgolf. Oh, boy. Oh, please. Please give me the win. No. These are close answers. These are close answers. It ain't$2 ,400 million. I showed more work than both of you guys. David, what is your answer? 4.2X. All right. I will tell you now that you are the farthest away from what I can see.

1:48:20All right. Andrew, what did you put? 3.15. 3.15. That puts you 0.12 away from the correct answer. Marquez, what did you put? I think she's right. I know the OnePlus 15 has a 7300 milliampire battery. That is correct. I was guessing that your phone's in the ballpark of 2400, which I think might be too high. It is too high. That's too high. I was thinking it was 1500. I have 3.1X, which I'm realizing is a little low. I'm sorry. I'm going to round that to 3.10 because you do not have... Oh, wait. That's what you meant by... That you weren't like X was not a variable. Oh, yeah. No. You were saying 3.1 times.

1:49:02times the correct answer is 3.27 which gives andrew yeah the point so what is the million power of the iphone i believe it is i believe it is 2227 for some reason i was guessing like 1500 i was guessing more you know you know why i guess 1500 it was the usable uh million powers of ellis's battery that's what i was guessing wow it's like probably 1500 by this point that's what i was thinking i was in chinatown buying fish balls for david and i and so good i the guy the fish ball at mr chang's fish ball store was um was like oh you should scan this qr code and leave a review of my fish balls and i was like yeah i love it man i'm here all the time and i opened my camera app to scan it and my camera broke it didn't work so i like at this point this point just gonna upgrade your phone it's a feature phone are you gonna upgrade it as soon as i can get a 17 pro for under 1200 sure but like come on man you're gonna get the small one yeah the small one's not 1200 i mean it starts it starts at 11 and then you should never buy base storage iphones so doesn't start at 999 no yeah yeah 10 10 oh it's 1099 1099 a pro it starts at 1099 1099 yeah all right i'm Pass it over to Adam to do a score update and hit you with question number two.

1:50:29Get him. Well, that's getting cut. Why? Quick update on the score. Marquez with 10. Andrew, after that correct answer, with 13. David, bring it up to rear with nine. David, this is your chance. What does QPR2 mean for the Android updates that we spoke about? QPR2 is when you exchange a bribe for fish eggs. Quid pro roe.

1:51:06One point to Alex.

1:51:12This is it. Flip him and read. What do you got? I'll go David first. Oh, duh. I did quarter. Oh, wait. Oh. Hmm. Oh, I think Marquez is right. I think Marquez is right. Okay, well. I wrote it means nothing hoping that it just didn't really mean anything because I couldn't even pretend to make letters would have been hilarious But no I wrote quarterly pixel release to okay, and Marquez. What'd you write? I wrote quarterly public release to It's Marquez. I think it's public though. Neither of you were correct. It's quarterly platform release to Close enough. Nice work and neither of us can claim close to the Delta because they're both yeah You're both one word off because it's a word Unfortunately, that means I have to go down to others.

1:51:55There's not distance between words. Actually, there isn't 3D space. Well, hey, nobody gets those points, but we all learned something today. Shout out to those of you who have a singer-wrapped or your recaps. Yeah, because I get it wrong every week. So I just learn something every week. Yeah, fair. And thank you for watching and for listening and subscribing. We'll catch you very soon in our more regularly scheduled programming in Techcember. No. We're just forcing it at this point. Techcember. See you soon. It's his birthday. Oh, true. You're right, Marquez. Waveform is produced in a small studio in between the Labrador and Sargasso seas by Ellis Roven and Adam Molina.

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1:52:56I'm on oceanservice.noaa.gov and they say a sea is the part of the ocean that is near land. That's it. That's a terrible explanation. That's not. I can go to the Atlantic Ocean. Yeah. So not all ocean is sea but all sea is part of ocean. So it's Some of the parts of the ocean that are near land. It's a part of an ocean that's vaguely near land. That's not just far out of the ocean. So it's not a hard line. It's like a gradient. Yeah. That's a weird way of describing it. I don't think so. But it's just like, it makes you think any parts of the ocean that are near land are seas. It's a vibe. Which is not true.

1:53:39Well, think of it this way. When you're actually sailing, land, these big masses of stuff really affect weather patterns. So we're talking about land land. What? Nah, I'm talking about air land. I like my chat CPC definition, actually. Oh, no. Okay. And mine is personalized to give me analogies. So it says, think of the ocean as the plant's giant main stage of salt water. There's only a few. They're immense. They're deep. And they connect continents. A sea is like a side room off of that stage, smaller, shallower, often partly enclosed by land and commonly linked to an ocean. So oceans shape global circulation and climate with broad uninterrupted waters.

1:54:20Seas sit on continental margins like the Caribbean Sea, the Mediterranean Sea. They can have distinct conditions and ecosystems and are more influenced by nearby land and rivers. Do they have to be a certain size? That's a better. Alice has the perfect image for this. So if anyone is confused, look at the video version because I will have this image in the podcast. Do they need to be a certain size? If you say it's the part of ocean by land, that's a confusing way of describing it. Wait, so the, because in Santa Cruz, like that's a, like that's a bay. Because there's Santa Cruz, there's the Monterey Bay, which is like the area that separates Santa Cruz and Monterey.

1:54:58Yeah, wait, so what's the difference between a bay and a sea? Yeah. A bay? We're thinking of these terms as like, you know, these hard geographical, or I guess not geographical, it's the ocean. But the reason I would assume the reason that these terms are different is because when you're sailing on the water, the conditions, the average weather, it's going to be different when you're out in the open ocean versus vaguely near a mass of land. Right. So just saying the Atlantic Ocean has these conditions is not specific enough because the Labrador Sea and the Sargasso Sea are going to require different sailing techniques to traverse them.

1:55:36Also, all the oceans are connected. So the Gulf of Alaska goes all the way down to... The Bering Sea. Oh, all the way down? Yeah, where, like... Chilean Sea. It's like the general... Like, this is a bunch of seas nobody uses, and then all of a sudden it's like... Does it have something to do with, like, the ocean floor? Like, where it drops off to deeper parts and that would be the ocean? Yeah, we could go to the Labrador Sea. I've never heard of most of it. Lincoln Sea? Because we're not... You're not... We're not sailing. We're not traversing the oceans. They don't have meaningful differences to us.

1:56:10Also, the Gulf of Mexico is a Gulf, not a sea. So it's even more enclosed? Because I'm looking at the Bay of Bengal right now. I'm feeling like that's kind of a Gulf. We brought up a map that has a bunch of seas. None of us use the terms for it. But then it's also just missing a giant portion. There's a lot of seas. That's like still land connected to ocean. Yeah. Anyway. This didn't help me at all. Yeah, this didn't help. Wait, Ellis, what was your question? What's the difference between the ocean? I'm just saying the original explanation was a poor explanation, and Ellis is trying to prove it with a map that nobody cares about and is still proving me right.

1:56:50What's the sea off California near land? It might not have a denotation because it's not necessary to separate from the rest of the Pacific Ocean. The Pacific Ocean is called the Pacific Ocean because it's... Yeah, but all I'm... Never mind. This is a pointless conversation. What about around like Hawaii? Is there like a sea? No, it's the Pacific. I feel like that's too small. It doesn't talk about the Gulf of Mexico at all. It's supposed to be seas, which is weird that it says Gulf of Alaska. Yeah. I'm just saying, I think the saying seas are oceans near land is confusing because there are also oceans near land.

1:57:26I googled Hawaii sea. And I think just a step further explaining it is not that unreasonable. Apparently, the Hawaii Sea is the Pacific Ocean surrounding the Hawaiian Islands. Yeah. But that might be made up. I think you're agreeing with Ellis. You just wish that it was more specific. Less specific. That's all I've ever said. He wants less specific. No, I want more specific. I thought you didn't want the seas. You just wanted those. No, no, I'm just saying the very vague definition of a sea is ocean next to land. which is what you first said right or am i wrong on that and then my whole argument it's technically not wrong, but it's not actually how you...

1:57:59I just don't think it's a good description. Wait, but look at this. The Caspian Sea is not even connected to the ocean. That's a lake. The Caspian Sea is a lake. You just don't see it? The Caspian Sea is fully landlocked. Really? I can see how the Black Sea is connected. I just don't see how the Caspian Sea is connected. Yeah, wait. The Caspian Sea isn't connected. It's landlocked. I mean, maybe it is. It's the biggest lake in the world. It might have a river that connects it to the ocean. Like the Great Lakes. No, I know this. The Caspian Sea is the biggest lake. Caspian? Maybe they just named it that before they made all these bullshit, man.

1:58:31This is bullshit. The Caspian Sea is... You realize there's not like... Also the Black Sea. You realize there's not some group of guys in suits who are like the official government of seas and saltwater that decide all this stuff. They just did that with the Gulf of Mexico. These are terms that have been developed and cultivated over millennia of ocean faring. There doesn't have to be a reason. Then why did you ask us a trivia question about it? I didn't! I didn't do any of this! This is Adam. I'm trying to respect that sometimes language is cultivated by, over time, people doing cool stuff. And we can learn about that stuff.

1:59:14And we don't need to be like, that's stupid. Because it's not stupid. I think it's f***ing too bad. My argument is, if we want to learn more about it, then we should have a better descriptor of it than just sea is ocean next to land. I think that doesn't give it enough credit. And I think there's a better way to describe it. In a black sea? I think that we can use the simple it's near land because that will affect the ocean conditions, which is important because you need to know what kind of conditions your ocean craft is going to face. I'm not doing this anymore he's just not listening I have an analogy I think it's like how you still have the floppy disk as the save button it's not actually a floppy disk it's like an analogy for how we used to do that yeah but the Caspian Sea is the only one that's not connected to the ocean when it was called a sea they should rename it as the yeah the Caspian Lake did you watch the Hank Green video about fish recently he talks about how there's all this argument argument about whether sharks are fish are jellyfish fish what actually is a fish and the deeper you get into it the more you realize it's literally impossible to decide i'm just a clear line of what i don't know why you're never mind because you're so mad at me because you think i don't believe you but i believe you and i'm just saying it would be easier for an average person to understand it with one more sentence tacked on to that and what i'm trying to say is the average person does not need to understand it because the actual cool interesting functional truth is complicated the truth isn't complicated it's based on all of this but your answer to a complicated thing is to be as vague as possible as a definition of it I honestly don't understand what does AI overview say AI overview did say that listen to God the Hawaii sea is the ocean around Hawaii no it did not I googled Hawaii sea though so I let it on Does Hawaii Sea exist?

2:01:13I don't know. AI overview seems to think so. You were asking for it, Marquez. All I did was Google Hawaii Sea, and it said, oh, yeah, yeah, Hawaii Sea. That's the water around Hawaii. And I figured that's all I need to know. All right. All right. Are you leading into the Android features? Android stuff. Okay. Let's hit it. All right. Welcome back. What's the difference between the ocean and the sea? Oh, my gosh. I will. ChatGPT knows. This all stemmed from B being horribly wrong about C's in the first place two episodes ago. Really? Well, I just said, like, no, C's and Oceans are different. They are different.

2:01:48I know. And I know that. Oh, but you said it like joking back then. No, no, no, no. I thought they were, or like, uh... I use them as synonyms because people say the seven C's all the time. They're like, wait, it all... Guys, that was my bad. No, no, no. That was my bad. No, no, no. It did start for me being like...

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