Samsung’s Tri-Fold Phone is Coming!

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1:19It just makes it look like a memory It makes it look like you took the camera and went It's exactly what it does And you spent a hundred bucks more for that one You could just

1:35Yo, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're our hosts. I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. And we're back to our regularly scheduled programming. But I'm only saying that because this Tuesday, a couple days ago, we went live for our exactly 300th episode. Live on YouTube anyway. Then we published to the feed as well. But if you were there, thanks for hanging out with us. It was a good time. We just talked to chat for an hour. It was chaotic, but very fun. We were only 10 minutes late. Yeah. Not bad. Not bad. Not line-up levels. It was a good time.

2:09Also, if you missed it, it probably means you're not subscribed. Ooh. And don't have the bell on. Yeah. Bing, bing. So what's with that? So get subscribed. So the next time we go live, which we did have a good time. We might as well do that again at some point. But if we go live again, subscribers will be the first to know that that is happening. This week, though, we've got some more fun stuff. Samsung Trifold. We've got to talk about this interesting rumor. we also have some unboxings to do on this podcast today oh um we got to talk about q2 because we always have to talk about q2 um but first some interesting google news alleged google news anyway google confirms it's combining chrome os and android into a singular platform yes i'm still trying to figure out exactly what that looks like because i know what android is yeah and i know what Chrome OS is.

2:58And so what device should we want to see both combined into one on? And why would that be a good thing? Well, glad you asked Marquez. Yeah. I think in Google's perspective, phones and laptops just sort of need to be one thing. And you can see them doing that, right? In the Android 16, they're making it so you can plug in your phone to a display. You can basically use Chrome, like Chrome OS. And on Chromebooks, you've been able to run Android apps. Exactly. yeah and so that makes sense for them because apple has this like very diverse ecosystem of devices they all kind of like mesh well together and they do that but google never wanted to make a mac competitor uh os even though i wish they would because it would be great it'd be great but they don't want to do that so i think in their perspective it makes more sense to just like make a phone that can be a computer and make a computer that can be a phone they have said for many years that they're like sharing elements of the kernels with each other to make it so they're more compatible and over the last couple of years uh we see google pushing updates to chrome os to kind of like let your messages sync more freely from your phone and let this happen more freely from your phone sounds great it sounds great but at the end of the day chrome os is still chrome os right that's like always the thing it's like the big asterisk that's like okay and yeah i can run android apps on this but it's still it's still not really as powerful as like a laptop but now that phones are becoming laptop powered in a lot of different ways uh i think it makes more sense to just combine them so i don't know if they're gonna like rename this or if they're just gonna still say it's chrome os but it's like running android effectively what happened is that samir samat who is a big big guy at google he confirmed to tech radar in an interview that uh they're going to be combining these platforms because he asked the interviewer hey so why are you using an iphone and a macbook and airpods like what what is it about those things that you're like you like better that you can't do on our stuff and he's like oh well i like the ecosystem i like that they like work well together i like it and he goes yeah okay i guess that makes sense yeah that's why we're like merging our platforms and we're turning them to say he just like dropped it casually in this okay um sick yeah so i don't know when this is going to happen obviously it could be a multi-year thing that they've been planning for a very long time i think everyone kind of anticipated this but uh on top of this there's this big rumor that google is currently working on a new pixel book there's like a team of people at google that has been confirmed are working on a new pixel book so it would be very cool if this pixel book came out and they were like chrome os is dead android is just now everything which i think would make sense for google whoa never heard that before wild yeah interesting okay yeah so it'd be cool if it was just like android laptop and chrome os is just gone i'm looking forward to a new interesting pixel book that would be fun the pixel book go was very very good and very like quite affordable pretty cheap very fun what was the really expensive one was that just the chromebook pixel the chromebook pixel that's the first one yeah from back in the day it looked so cool it looked like it was fire i love the way macbook but it was like more squared off and it had the rgb lights on it on the lid oh my gosh kind of fire that's why i want to see another like good metal i love that one the two-tone that's what i was yeah the second generation pixel book that was like insanely thin and had the two-tone that was awesome i used that for years and like the benefit of chrome os was that it just keeps getting updated constantly so it's like you know it's kind of limited by the processor but I never really felt limited.

6:36Well, the benefit of changing Chrome OS to Android OS or whatever we call it, is a bunch of children in schools learning how to use Android before they buy their iPhone and then maybe buy an Android instead. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, if they made it pair even better with your phone, like it just naturally had all of your files or something like that, if there was some sort of local file sync, that would be pretty amazing. Isn't that kind of already what Chrome OS does? Like if you log in with your like Gmail account at school, it'll just have all your Google Drive files. Yeah. I mean, as long as you have literally everything in Google Cloud services, which is what they want.

7:14Yeah. If you're a Google guy. Yeah. Big Google guy. Big Google guy. Big Google guy over here. Yeah. I'm more interested in the Chrome OS part coming to Android. Less so that. Yeah. Right. What specifically about Chrome OS do you want to come to Android? The whole plug in your phone to a monitor and you don't have a computer. like that's the part that i'm super hyped on i'm i never would have guessed like i'm happy for you and i'm happy for all those dex fans and android on display fans out there i'm just like wondering who has a display that is just sitting around where they're like perfect time to plug in my phone to a display it's i think a lot of people do like a lot of people go to work and just have like their monitors at work you know and then you go home and if even if you don't have like a home computer type of situation set up most people have phones so to not have to buy a whole new computer just for home and just to have your displays and you go from place to place i mean this has been the dream for years yeah everyone has been trying forever but i think this is finally potentially maybe could happen i feel like it's like the dream of a modular phone like this dream of one computer for everything also gets resurrected and dies every couple years with so many people working remote now and with how easy the majority i'm not saying the job is easy but how easy the compute is on a lot of jobs like if you're selling insurance or like there's so many things where you're just on emails and pretty basic like web apps that any phone we have right now could run it no problem and it'd be super easy any phone almost any phone yeah i mean it would be great if you know you could take your pixel fold and just be like small screen big screen yeah and i think right now what's a little weird is that like to have a consistent experience you have to kind of plug into a monitor but like there's wireless decks and if they can get that better and when google eventually does this like if it can work wirelessly you just don't even take your phone out of your pocket like that's the dream that would be the dream so that's my dream at least maybe yeah sorry no you're good i was just gonna say it's it's it's interesting to say i'm wondering how uh when google sort of announces this more and if we're gonna see stuff at the pixel event potentially that's theoretically happening in August.

9:28I was going to say, maybe you don't leave it in your pocket. You put it on your new Qi 2.2 charger. Segway! Well played. Well, we're getting Qi 2.2. More whores. But where's Qi 2? Yeah. Qi 2, we did a whole episode about Qi 2 when it first got announced. We did a little deep dive. We did an interview with one of the people at the Wireless Power Consortium about what it is. If you don't know, basically Apple kind of like, I don't know if donated is the right word because they probably are going to get something out of it, but they worked with the Wireless Power Consortium to retrofit magnets into the standard.

10:07So now MagSafe, it's not the exact same array, I don't believe, but it's basically aligning the phone more directly with the wireless power transfer so that it gets more power through it. This aligns pretty well with the rumor that Apple is going to add 45 watt wireless charging to either the next generation of iPhones or after that with MagSafe. But now, Qi is expanding the standard and we have moved on to Qi 2.2. So do you want to talk about what it adds? It basically adds 25 watt charging speeds. Nice. Which is good. It's awesome. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it was only 15 before. It was limited to 15.

10:43Qi 2 was 15 watts, yeah. Yeah, it was great. And I mean, we still only had it in that one HMD Skyline and then the iPhone 16s, not the 16e, had Qi2 support. And then we got into that whole annoying thing of, is it Qi2 or is it Qi2 ready, which means it can add the accessories with the magnets. Have they changed anything? Can we still confirm it's Qi2 means magnets? So I guess Qi2 support would just mean it can take the power but doesn't have the magnets? Oh, right. That's the confusing part. And I feel like it's changed. It was regular Chi-2 and then the Chi-2 ready was the other thing. Chi-2 ready can be put on a device, meaning it will - An accessory.

11:28There will be an accessory that gives it the magnets. So Chi-2 itself requires magnets to say Chi-2 at all, but you can brand something as Chi-2 ready if you sell an accessory that adds the magnets. Which is a lot of them just bundling a magnet case. Yeah. And which is decently useful. There's also Chi-2 certified. But like put it in the phone. Yeah, so what if like, if it has chi to support or like it's certified chi to that's like for chargers and stuff right but does it have to have oh yeah maybe you're right i think that's for chargers but so the iphone 16 i guess it has the magnets so it can do that there's some so i asked this question because there's also rumors that the pixel 10 will have chi to support but there's no rumors about it necessarily having the magnets so would that not be chi to ready or does that just mean it can take up to the new the wireless charger i think that would be ready and then Google will probably sell magnet cases, I believe.

12:20That'd be my unfortunate guess. Yeah. But after a very long wait, there are finally some companies that are putting out Qi2 accessories. 2.2 accessories. 2.2 accessories. Even better. The future is here. Yeah. So Belkin, Anker, and Ugreen all now have products that are Qi2 certified, 425 watt Qi2 charging. It seems like this is going to be a big push in the next couple of months because there's all this news coming out. uh the chi twitter account chi power twitter account just tweeted today as of recording that there is a lot of news coming in about a week uh which to me probably just means that it's going to be not a lot of news just be like re-clarifying like what happened before and saying there are now products on the market that use this you can actually go buy it that kind of thing i just realized so i screenshotted the tweet from the chi power remember we were just talking about that at one billion engagement tweet.

13:17Look how many views this tweet has. 38. It's 38. I just was like, is that a super early screenshot? So I went to the cheap power. I did it this morning. I went to the cheap power Twitter and it currently has 58, now 59. No way. Thanks to me. Are we a niche podcast? Yeah, we are on the bleeding edge, you guys. We're getting those news to you ASAP. Well, yeah. I wanted to ask a question though, because I was kind of thinking about this before. if you had to guess what what next phone would actually get chi-two support like after the hmd skyline if you had to guess a phone like an oppo phone the hmd skyline 2 that's actually a really good guess that's not a good guess it's been like a year since that came in so i was kind of thinking a chinese folding phone because i feel like we're getting to the point we keep seeing in all these thin folding phones where like the usbc port almost doesn't fit on the outside anymore and the problem is if you add the magnets that adds a bunch of extra that's also very true so i feel like they would probably do two to ready but then you had a case well i'm saying it because there would be no usbc port so then you would have to have a case you're saying they're gonna get rid of the usbc port they want to make thinner they can't really go any thinner right now with the usbc port i don't want something that thin what if there's gonna be like a camera bump and a USB-C port bump into future phones.

14:39That's actually probably going to happen. USB-C port bump? A USB-C port bump. The camera bump just goes up to the top like the S21, S22, where it went into the rails with the camera bump. And then the USB-C port's there and the rest of the phone is thinner. It's so thin that it's like this. And then right when it gets to the bottom, it just gets a little thicker at the bottom. Or cameras are top left. USB sort is bottom right. So it fixes the rock on the table by counteracting itself with an opposite bump on the back. Or, hear me out, I hate this, two-day battery life. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

15:14Two, all day, and that's the final offer. You'll have all-day battery, and you'll like it. And we dictate what all-day means. Yeah, not on the new iOS beta, though, because the new iOS beta is trash for battery. Yeah, if you're using a beta, don't get too excited about that. My phone died yesterday for, like, the first time in 10 years. It was not good. Welcome to Ellis' world. Yeah. welcome to twice every day for ellis wait wait now i want this to be a recurring segment so ellis what is your battery percent right now and what time of day is it so it's still under 70 i have charged my phone already this morning um i woke up i think i got to my phone yeah my phone probably came off the charger i woke up pretty early this morning so i'm gonna say my phone came off the charger at 7 50 a.m it is currently 11 40 a.m and i charged my phone uh for a little bit like while we were getting water and stuff.

16:03So anyone want to take 73, 73, 68, 68. We're guessing. Um, 70. Is it prices right rules? No, this is just Delta. There's also no price. You prices right at me last time. We guess this. Let's say 76, Adam, 74, 74, 74, 82. Marquez is literally exact. Oh no, sorry, Marquez. It is 69. So I like that you gave my phone too much credit. What was your guess, my guess? 68. Oh, that's crazy. And we're still out here. You know what was really funny? Yeah. Again, last night, we went to a taping of the Acquired podcast. We did shout out to those guys. And someone, listener from the pod, ran into him there.

16:49And he was like, it's so great to finally meet you, man. And then I pull out my phone to answer a text or something. And he was like, there it is! I was like, I can never... That was Parker, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're going to frame that phone when you're done with it. It might be on fire. He said he was like, you know, what are you going to do with the phone when you get rid of it? And we were talking about it. I was like, don't get rid of it. This is the most perfect opportunity in my life for a charity auction. Like I will never in my life have anything that anyone will actually want like this.

17:19And it's not like Apple is going to give me any money for it. No, dude. You know what you need to do? Your estate sale is going to go hard. When I die? When you die. When I die. Keep it until you die. And then I will manage the estate sale. If my Purple 12 Mini's memory lives beyond mine, I will be. I did something completely wrong. But yeah, I know. So yeah, I think the move is going to be removing the battery and charity auction. And maybe you could have a non-functional framed Purple 12 Mini. You should just replace the battery. I have. Yeah, I was going to say. It doesn't matter. Yeah. Facts.

17:59here wow wow i completely now this is the ellis's battery podcast i like it let's see what my battery health is at yeah oh no because it's high really uh it was 80 i mean notably one of the biggest improvements from in the 13 mini from the 12 mini was that they improved the battery life by like three hours it's 84 health that's that's not very high that's not good it's been a while since i got a phone not a lot of people's phones are below that yeah i'm sure there's plenty of people out in the comments i just wouldn't call it hot i just wouldn't call it that's not high comment your battery health that's 85 i mean i'm not the best answer because i switch phones a lot but i've i don't think i've ever gone under 90 what 90 i got the battery swapped out in this like a year and a half ago oh my god i mean the thing is also like a lot of charge cycles did he stutter oh that's true a lot of charge i am so i mean you have a it's a small battery to begin with and then it's a lot of charge cycle so it will degrade faster because it's more and it's like it's fully dying and fully charging and yeah oh that's not great between 20 and 80 it would last that would give me like an hour and a half of that did i stutter 20 to 80 it's like a blink it's like why even care about your battery health when it only lasts a few hours anyway it's like i want to make sure it keeps lasting only a few hours yeah yeah that's for sure like when you lease an electric car when you buy an electric car you're like oh i want to only charge to 80 so that i can have it lasts as long as possible when you leave so you're like go to 100 every time yeah yeah that's funny all right well um yeah anyway we'll see more about this chi 2 stuff in a week so i guess maybe next week we'll be able to talk about this do you know what number comes after two this is so good 25 this is an elite transition three like the sony rx1 r3 that wasn't the late transition i really I really freaked it out.

19:51I'm sorry. I like yours better. Yes. I thought we were going to trivia. I was like, where's Al? You know what goes on there, too? Trivia. When he said three, I was like, three-via? Three-via. Okay, new point-and-shoot camera just dropped. So many questions here. Did you have a hot take on this? You said this is the best, right? No. Who's saying this is good? Nobody. Oh, wait. There's the segment. I thought somebody was saying this is good. Dude, I do not understand the point of this camera. As someone who Andrew pointed out in a DM, I didn't give you enough credit, but I did enjoy the previous RX series.

20:29So I kind of messed up. You like the RX100s. I didn't even realize the RX100s because I didn't see the marks on them. Yeah, the last one from this version was like nine years ago. It was 2015. It was 10 years ago. So I've been a notable RX100 lover since like the first gen one and now there's been like seven or eight of them or something crazy that's a one inch sensor that's smaller but it has you can't take the lens off but it is a zoom lens yeah so it's a nice little pocket zooming little camera this is a full frame yeah fixed lens prime all right let me give you the ecosystem breakdown and nobody said the price yet i just want to yeah we'll get to that we'll get to that okay so you've all heard of the uh fujifilm x100 series yeah one of the most legendary point-and-shoot camera series available right that's aps-c for listeners aps-c is smaller than full frame okay uh then in the other corner you've got the leica q3 which it's a leica so it's six thousand dollars that is full frame point these are all point-and-shoot cameras by the way fixed lens point-and-shoot cameras like a q3 then you've got prime prime one focal length yes sorry fixed on Spiderman cameras.

21:42Yes. I got you, Dave. Good job, boss. Okay. And then you've got the Fuji GFX 100 RF, which I reviewed a few months ago. Medium format. Medium format. Okay. So the ecosystem of this is limited right now. Like, especially before the RF came out, your only options, I mean, there were some, but kind of your only options was like, do I want to get an X100? There's also, oh, there's also the ricoh gr3 which is very popular as well so when you say ecosystem you mean there's a certain buyer who is specifically looking for a somewhat compact yes full frame well large sensor mostly fixed lens compact camera fixed prime lens and then also i would say high megapixel whether or not the sensor itself is big all of these cameras have above 30 megapixels basically it's the like one no the rx the x106 does have a 40 megapixel sensor these are all yeah above 30 megapixel they're above yeah yeah so the idea is like one camera to rule them all right like there's been so like photography is complicated you don't have to buy like a thousand dollar lenses to just be able to like hot swap you want to be able to have one little thing around your shoulder that you can just carry with you everywhere and generally it's been like well you can get the x100 for you know $1 ,700, which used to be even cheaper, or you can get the Leica Q3 for$6 ,000.

23:09So there just wasn't a lot in the ecosystem. The Ricoh GR3 came out and that's sort of like a cult favorite. Anyway, there wasn't a lot in the full frame market. But 10 years ago, there was the RX1 Mark II and there was the RX1 before that. And that was like Sony's entry because every camera company sort of needs sort of an option because the uh fuji x100 series was so ridiculously popular that every other company gotta make your own version we have to make our own version yeah that's basically what spurred sony to bring it back so now they're like okay finally we're back after 10 years the market is here people finally want this um and so they added the so okay there's so much context the context of sony cameras is that there's three versions of sony cameras there's the s version which is low megapixel which gives it way better low light performance uh better video specs because they have to push less data through i like the r like yeah we're getting there there's the regular one that doesn't have a letter that is the in between one and then there's the r which stands for resolution and uh that's the high megapixel version sony's most recent r cameras the uh a7r5 yeah is 61 megapixels that sensor is 61 megapixels so they're pushing that into this full frame point and shoot camera so you're basically getting like a7r5 specs sort of in a compact point and shoot body because sony realized they needed to do that um the problem is many fold uh except that it doesn't fold that's one of the problems it has no articulating viewfinder which is like a big problem uh it's ovf is like lower resolution than most other cameras uh it is 4k at 30 fps only with video which is kind of surprising i'm surprised they're not doing more of that uh the biggest problem is it's 5100 dollars that is the issue so okay also no ibis also no ibis yeah and and yeah and a lot of people gave fuji a lot of crap including me uh for not putting ibis in the gfx 100 rf and that's a medium format camera so to not put it in a full frame camera is like what it's like what are you doing yes it's more expensive than the fuji and like people love fuji because because of the color science and like you can just spit out these film modes this also has film modes but they don't really look that good they don't really look like film they're just sort of you know and yeah so i don't know what percentage of this is tariffs like tariff based um and what percentage of it is just sony thinking like wow people really love point shoots right now we can totally make a lot of money at this yeah yeah so it's there's a lot of drama i feel like that's definitely a meeting that happened yeah they're Like we need an answer to Fuji's success in this vertical.

26:07Yeah. There's not a lot of competition in this vertical, so we don't have to be price competitive. We can just make up, we can just make it$5 ,000 or whatever. But we just need a competitor in this vertical for someone to pick the Sony version. Yeah, 100%. And they just made a Sony version. 100%. And it's not great, but it exists. And you can pick it if you want. Dude, but if you were like, I want a point and shoot and my budget is$6 ,000. First of all, if you said that to yourself, you could probably see a psychiatrist, frankly. Well. but there are people like that if you're gonna spend six thousand dollars on a camera you can get so much camera you know what i mean at that point it's not like i think people are buying it less about the capability of the camera and more just about like the feeling of the camera but that's the opposite of what sony is i know that i was a computer with a lens strapped onto to it that's all it is camera doesn't even do the computer stuff well that was it five shots a second burst mode uh i don't know i didn't see that one that's what it's like no i i feel like this all the sony like a series also are just like these are these have crazy specs on them they're really good cameras like really good pictures but like when you immediately compare this to fuji i was like yeah i had so much fun taking the x100s out to wildwood because it's just fun to shoot on and all the film things are fun and it's like it's an experience where like sony i just think of it as like yeah i want the sickest like high resolution photo possible sharpest lenses because they own zeiss and a thousand frames a second and like like sports photography shoot at iso 10 million yeah for no reason yeah yeah it's like the rtx 5090 versus right yeah it's like the scientist versus the artist right it's it's very much that so so it It feels like a weird spot to be jumping into.

27:59And like a lot of people, including me, were saying on the RF, the GFX 100 RF, if you're, you know, if you're, it's too close to the Leica in price when the Leica, by the way, has IBIS. So there's that. It is also 60 megapixels. So it's like, you know, it's not like the Sony is way higher. Does the Leica have autofocus? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, the Q3. The Q3 is an f1.7 lens. So it's like even faster than the Sony, which is f2 um it's 28 millimeter instead of a 35 millimeter it's just like i sony's core competency has always been as you said andrew like specs resolution there's another product like this it's so funny where it's like you see the new version as a competitor and it just makes you want to buy this seeing this camera just makes me go i should get a like a q3 yeah no 100 like i was telling a friend yesterday like this camera makes the rf seem like a steal at 4 900 dollars and it makes the Q3 seem reasonable.

28:58That's so funny. Which is wild. So I don't really know what Sony was thinking here. Wow, the Leica shoots 8K30. That's crazy. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, man. I'm going to get the Leica then. This camera doesn't really make a ton of sense to me. Yeah. Is there a person, is there really a person out there whose camera budget is that high and their number one priority is pocketability? Like that's the only thing this camera has going on. Dude, I've hung out, okay, I've hung out at the Leica store in New York before. There were people that walk in and just like, yeah, I don't know. I was like thinking maybe I should have a camera to carry around with me.

29:32Like, what is that? And they're like, oh, that's the Q3. And they're like, okay, I'll take it. Yeah. And then they just pay 6 ,000. Unfortunately, that person exists in every hobby and it's really frustrating. People in the hobby that exist in watches, existing cars, people walk into the store. We know someone who does it in watches for sure. Not going to say their name out loud, but it rhymes with, it rhymes with sark suckerberg oh sark sucker well zuck picked up the ct5v blackwing and probably just walked into the dealership and was like people like this one i'll take yeah i'll take three there's also like no culture around sony there's there's culture around like uh um there's culture on there is some enthusiast i mean there's something with sony i think that's like the creator i feel it's like creator yeah yeah but they all hate each other all they do is argue on threads none of them are hanging out hey i i as someone who is very skeptical of sony cameras and just had my first weekend with one they're pretty i love the a7 yeah with all due respect to you're using like a 15 year old one no i'm using a mark 3 an a7 it's pretty old it's 2018 we got the that close to when i started working here that's 20 years ago it feels like it though i'm just i don't know if i should take that as a compliment you guys know that the year three was 2022 years ago man wow yeah oh yeah i just have to find this curious david because i just found a tweet from six years ago you saying they should make a sony rx1 r3 and now you don't seem to like that's not wrong though this is the thing people have been saying this for the last few years ever since the x100 got so popular but then they dropped it at five thousand one hundred dollars so if they were articulating if they were to redo this the sony way what i would have expected from an rxr mark 3 rx1 mark 3 yeah it would be like oh it has a super fast great autofocus they went f1.6 just to beat them they went like slightly undercutting in price and more megapixels and they added a bunch of functions that the others didn't have so they claim theirs is better 100 and it seems like they didn't do it the sony way it's not better than literally any other camera it's weird So it's in its category.

31:43So I just don't understand. Yeah, I don't know. It's weird. Can't wait for the Sony engineers to hit us up. Welcome to my rant. Yeah, they will. They'll be mad at me. I'm sorry. But I'm also not. So, okay. Well, speaking of really fast. Hold on. Hold on. I just, I got to hop in here real quick because I just want to say. Sorry. Okay. You guys are right. You know, this is an eight-year-old camera. It's not exactly a new camera. but when you pull up the side-by-side specs, they are identical. Which camera? You have an A7S Mark III? You have an A7R III. It's R Mark III. Oh, you have an R. It's like 42 megapixels.

32:24Oh, you've been using an A7R III? Yes. Oh, I'm sorry. I totally... It is still a good... Cameras do not improve. Look, they have the same burst rate. They have almost the same sensor with slightly bigger light buckets on the 3. You do get 20 extra megapixels, which is not nothing in the newest one yeah but other than that like same base isos like like it is functionally oh the buffer size is way bigger on the five the yeah data but the image engine is i don't know anyway let's just you know you want to transition you know what you guys don't know yeah oh what if we know it though yeah what if this is an exciting question uh i'm i i sometimes these are really risky ones because it's really open-ended but I think we're going to have some fun with this one and this is we're talking about Chi 2.2 which any time I hear you guys say that there's like a famous Fred Astaire song from a movie in the late 20s early 30s that has a song called Dancing Cheek to Cheek and so I always just hear Dancing Chi to Chi wow that's awesome the setup was crazy for that one can we make like an album where we just remix old songs as tech songs?

33:35Yeah, but they all have to be crooner songs. What does that mean? Whatever. That means you don't want to know the answer. Guys, I would like you guys to name every company that you can think of. So there's lots of points up for grabs here. This might take a while. Period. Name every company. Oh, you like capitalism? Oh, game of capitalism. Every company you can think of that released a product that had Qi in it before Apple. Oh. Not including... Just the whole company, not the product. The whole company, you don't have to name the product, but the product that they released did have to be sold in the U.S.

34:18So I will not... So I had a head start. So, like, for example... What if it was sold at B &H? Because, like, for example... That's in the U.S.? Yeah. But, like, Sony phones are only sold at B &H in the U.S.? And Asus phones were also only sold at B &H in the US? Correct. I will accept those. And I'm just going to spoil one of the answers here. Like, for example, I will accept HTC because HTC's 2012 phone with Qi was sold in the US. I will not accept Huawei, Oppo, Xiaomi. I just don't want to do that research right now. And I will have to fact check a lot of your answers. I have a pretty comprehensive list up.

34:54I will also have a, I will, if you, if you want me to fact check them, I'll give you a model name for any of the ones you're not sure about just because I know what I'm talking about. Can I throw something in there? Sure. You should get a point off if it doesn't have it because I could just right now start listing every company I know. You just got a point. Oh God. Okay. And then also wireless charging is not what I said. I said she. Oh, interesting. So I forget resonance, resonance, resistance. You know what I'm talking about? No, no, it's like resonance, but with a Z and no O. It was the thing that predated Qi.

35:32That old charging standard. Yeah, that lost. Betamax? Betamax, yeah, exactly. I won't accept that. Anyway, so start to think. By the way, even though this is not a product sold, I will accept there are a handful of businesses which in the U.S. incorporated chi into their physical locations, like their brick and mortar locations, I will accept those as answers. I like that. Alright, well the answers will be at the end like usual. We'll write these down and we'll be right back.

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38:25all right welcome back there's been this rumor that samsung is working on a trifold and that it's maybe coming out this year do you remember when though like yes first do you remember they put that timeline up about the xr glasses and then just completely skipped over that there's a trifold in there yeah that's when we first kind of saw during the last unpacked before this one that just happened right yeah yeah the one at the beginning of this year yeah so the the rumors have continued to come out and i think now it's confirmed because tm row just was talking about that they're working on a trifold so there's some new quotes and he said i expect we will be able to launch the trifold phone within this year yeah so now we're we're full-on trying to figure out what to expect what it is how it will trifold that's actually kind of the biggest question is how will it trifold because there's more than one way to do they already showed an animation how it trifles Yeah, Marquez hasn't seen this yet.

39:18Oh, you haven't seen it. So Android Authority found some animations in One UI 8, I think. My alma mater. And two of them kind of show, I have them up here. We'll put them on the screen and I'll try to describe them for audio listeners. The first one is an animation or just a photo from behind the phone. So say you opened it all open and you would be looking at the backside. The left panel is technically behind when it's. Yeah, it is confusing. So like if you were looking at the fully open screen, the back part of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So on the left panel, you have the camera bump. On the middle panel, you have the front screen.

39:55And on the right panel, you have a blank, no screen at all. A backing of one of the sides. This is like a Mobius. I just want to see like, yeah. So what are your thoughts here before we go to the animation that might show it a little better after this? I'm trying to figure, so this is going to have. It's middle out. Thank you. because the back there's no so the camera is not going to fold onto the front screen so it has to fold the other way and so then the other side folds that does so the Huawei the Huawei remember did that thing where it sort of like it goes like it goes like a Z yeah it does that and it's always weird because when you're like opening and closing it you almost break it every time because you think it's supposed to because you fold it backwards yeah this one goes the natural way so I believe the idea is because it's so thin you're actually the the hinge that the back closes over the middle part on oh is like yeah thick enough oh okay so you can actually just sort of like double fold them okay the reason we know this is because there's another animation that one of them is specifically a ui element or like an instruction that the phone will vibrate and send an alert if so when the phone is open both the outsides fold into the middle which obviously means it has to be kind of offset in order to do that so if you fold the camera on the right side in first the camera would be facing the screen that's going to fold on top of it yeah don't do that alert you might break it so an alert's going to pop up i hope all you audio listeners can visualize this in your head i was going to say not too hard visualizing things in 3d space is the reason i failed organic chemistry i think this is easier than when we were trying to describe the huawei one because this is just imagine uh opening like a a menu right like you open it and you're holding the two sides and there's one flat piece in front of you or if you ever did the science fair as a kid i know some guys are like me and you had the tri board or whatever trifold and the middle was like you had the middle and on each side folded in front and so you'd fold them both the same way yeah i guess that's cool if it's on top of each other yeah so if you look if you scroll down a little it there's one more um in the animation of uh one ui 8 look really closely at the hinges at the bottom of this picture oh one is larger than the other one yeah so the left side will fold in first and then the right side which at this point has the camera bump on the back folds on top of that yeah and that back of the left side is a blank face yeah this is good good detective work i wonder so is the fact that this is more intuitive going to matter to regular people when they go to like look at it in a store?