Smartphone Season is Coming Early This Year!

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32:26Next headline in a hat. All right. CMF new leak. What was the teaser? Teaser. Yeah, I'm so used to calling them leaks that I forget that CMF is just straight up the ones teasing these, which last week you missed, so I'd like to get your thoughts on that first, but CMF teased a knob, some sort of rotary dial on their phone. Yeah. Thoughts on that? Hmm. This could go one of three ways. Okay. So I'm looking at this leak, this teaser render. This is the dial one? Of the CMF phone with this little flathead screwdriver going in and unscrewing something from the back of a phone. The new one, yeah. Yeah, this new one.

33:11CMF being like the ultra budget brand from nothing. this could either one be a throwback feature where you can actually open up the back of the phone and there's this flathead screw that holds the back in place and you open it up and then everyone goes nuts because we went back in time holy smokes replaceable batteries two uh this unscrews and does very little to like actually get into the back of the phone and you can't actually do anything but you can like look in the inside or something okay or three the screw comes out and nothing happens and it's purely decorative screw i hate to admit that i would still like that i want the replaceable battery that would be the best yeah i think it would be cool if as a budget thing they were like okay maybe our battery life's not that great but you can add on batteries and just have replaceable batteries that's one way to be like okay we're sacrificing battery life on this but later on down the line you can buy a new battery and maybe have a backup one um i want to first off say what so did you see the the dial or the knob leak from like a week ago um hold on let's bring that up i want to see what you think about that okay so this was the leak last week that david and i talked about this is the like wheel knob dial whatever you want to call it on the corner corner we don't know which corner so take your guess on which corner you think that is okay top left that i think that's what i was leaning towards okay it says introducing cmf phone one so they're gonna make a phone wonderful by design leveraging nothing's innovation and meticulous attention to design it serves as a wonderful entry point into the entire product ecosystem and uh it's this picture of a dial i feel like it could be well i have some ideas off of that could be like a volume dial but it's customizable to do other things in certain apps which would be neat that would be awesome um i don't think it does anything to crazy like open the phone no no no yeah what are your thoughts of it so i was wondering putting something like this on something that's already going to be pretty budget.

35:27It's strange seeing sacrifices of things, but also adding something that's never been done to a phone. Are we going to see bigger sacrifices on things? Yeah, I don't know how expensive this particular thing is. I feel like we're going to see this, and it's going to be kind of a cool thing, and then we're going to want a more premium version of it, and that gives them an excuse to sell a higher-end or a more expensive version on a nothing phone, maybe someday in the future. Who knows? But I also think we kind of always ask for trying something new in smartphones and we've seen so many phones that are the same, that look the same.

35:56And I think this being a little different and maybe actually functional is pretty cool. I do too. I think this and the screw, even if like you said, the screw does almost nothing, even if it just means I'm going to fidget around with my phone now at my desk, I'm still excited for it. It can also be like a mounting point, like in a camera too, because you take it out and there's threads in there now. True. Or you could put a bracket underneath. That's what I assumed it was, was like for mounting accessories. Mounting something out there. Even if it's just like a lanyard ring or something like that?

36:25Yeah, exactly. Sure. Pistol grip. The pistol grip for it. 20 under there. My main takeaway from this, also, the first tweet said community update on July 8th, and now this latest tweet says coming July 8th. I still don't know if it's going to be like launched on that date, if we're just going to get the announcement for it. Community update seems more like a post versus like an event, right? Yeah, they seem like a unveiling type of company. Yeah. We're going to unveil it on this date. So I want to say, these teasers, I think CMF teases things way better than nothing does. CMF is like beautiful render, interesting aspect of a phone, look at it up close working, and then nothing is like, here's a bug.

37:08And that's it. Here's a high-res ladybug. Yeah, like... That's fair. I think CMF is doing nothing's job better than nothing. It's also confusing that they call it the phone one when the nothing phone one is already... So it's going to be, I guess this will be the CMF phone one. I've reviewed one CMF product so far. It was just a watch. The watch was 69 bucks. Is that what it was? I think. I think. Yeah. So it, I mean, at this price, like ultra budget, it really doesn't have a ton of margin, like literal margin to experiment with new hardware stuff. So I wonder if you make a phone, number one, what price point do you actually aim for?

37:47Like the nothing phone was only 400 bucks. so to really differentiate as a cmf phone how cheap is it going to be and then number two what can you actually do in a phone that cheap that hasn't been done on every other 150 phone or whatever knob and a screw that may be it we'll see yeah we'll see what do you think if you had to guess price i if it has to be the budget version of nothing i think it can't be higher than 250 i'm gonna go with my uh my best prediction of the future is always from the past So if the CMF watch was$70 and then the nothing, there's no nothing watch, but like a base smart watch.

38:26Man, a nothing watch would look really good. A base smart watch is what,$150, let's say? So half the price. So this has got to be like a$175 phone. Yeah? Yeah. Do you think they do the like, I feel like almost every phone we've seen that cheap is cheap for an exclusive amount of time so they can call it that cheap and then goes up to like $2,$220. Exactly. I could see CMF doing something like that. I could see that as well. Interesting. Because they're nothing with a mask on. Can I have like two minutes to redeem the Ellis rant we skipped earlier? Sure. Give me like two minutes. Oh, I just pulled Ellis rant.

39:03Oh, sweet. Wow. Sweet. Alright. Am I good to someone keeping time? You're good. Alright. Sweet. Dude. We don't need this many knobs. Shut up, bud! They're just... We just we just don't need them okay and here here is why okay there are essentially like three kinds of knobs well there's a few different kinds but the big difference is a knob can be endless meaning you can spin it all the way or it can be fixed it can have a beginning and an end point the beginning and the end point knobs which companies never use because they're cowards and are too busy to program healthy takeover modes into their firmware which companies have done for a while now the codes out there just don't want to do it those those knobs are great for controlling different parameters you know what i mean because you know a knob is at a position you know the value of that thing the endless knobs can also work really well when they're stepped when you feel a click and you know each increment because as soon as it's not clicked and it's endless and you can scroll forever there's no attachment between your brain and the parameter you're controlling you're just moving it up and down and for everyone in the office for everyone in the office who's like oh i got it i got a knob on my keyboard that i use to control the volume guess what you use a mac there's 16 volume steps even if you're not feeling the knob clicked that's a stepped endless encoder yeah get out of my face build make your encoder stepped don't shut up if you want a physical parameter control put a fader on your device we've known for years faders are superior to knobs yeah they take up a little bit more space shut up and final point if you are like i need a non-stepped rotary encoder it's called a jog wheel we established this like 20 years ago that jog the mouse that jog wheels are the superior endless rotary encoder it's why all video editors have want to i'm done this is just stop it with the knobs wouldn't a knob with a set amount of volume on a phone be the same stepping as a macbook it's it's complicated because the mac makes it really clear as you go up like you can see each each of the 16 steps so if my volume slider went up and down as i if you're not if you're not getting any feedback and the phone is trying to convince you that it was faking potentiometer status and smoothly grading the amp up with an actual resistor, you would just get lost in the sauce.

41:39You know what I mean? I think. Maybe some of the old Walkmans and CD players had... No, but they weren't endless. They weren't endless. Yeah, they'd stop. Yeah, they'd stop. Stop it with the knobs! I have two. Stop it! And they break! The endless digital non-step rotary encoders are the first thing to break on every electronic ever. Shut up. Stop it. So I have two other categories of knobs that I'm thinking of as you say this. And I think I agree with both of them in principle. So the first one in my car, there is a stepped but finite knob for volume. And it's hard on one side and hard on the other side.

42:24And there's a little dot and you can only go up or down. and it's notched and stepped and it's great. Sounds crispy. I don't know if that's less likely to break or not. I don't remember. I guess we'll find out. It doesn't matter. It's enjoyable. It's great. No, it's great. It's built well. It clicks. It's nice. It's satisfying. But the other one I feel very strongly about, which is lenses. Oh. Lenses, if you've used a photo lens before, they have infinitely scrolling, like, what's it called? What is it? What is it called? I'm forgetting the name. The ring, the focus ring. They have infinitely scrolling focus rings, but internally there are mechanisms that stop.

43:04So you can keep scrolling the focus ring, but internally they stop. So you can't actually assign a follow focus to the ring because you can just keep spinning the ring and it would be all out of whack. But high quality cine lenses are stopped. So you can put a focus ring and a follow focus on this ring and it will actually stop and always be accurate. Damn it, you are proving my point right now. So I fully, I hard agree with lenses that they should be stopped. It's the same as the volume. If you can keep scrolling and the volume's not going up anymore, it's a meaningless physical connection to your device.

43:39Yeah. Shut up. The physical connection is emotional. I don't care about what it's actually doing. I want to feel a click, boy. I think you would feel more direct. We're agreeing with each other. That's what I'm saying. It's the directness of it. When you feel the hard stop and it's the same amount every time. Yeah, if you can keep spinning the knob and nothing is happening, you're not receiving any physical feedback. That is a one-way conversation between you and your device. I want to bring something up, but I don't want to send this off. Do it. What is a mouse scroll wheel? Infinite. Because although the second step of the MX Master non-step counting one where I'm just on Reddit with infinite pages and I'm just for like a YouTube comments and I could just go, and it just loads all the pages for me, is fantastic.

44:29But I can also, I immediately step out of that into the stepped version when I'm normally using scroll wheel. And you specifically said that you were using it with infinite pages. Well, it's not, there isn't an amount, but it takes a very long time to get to that amount. I would also argue, specifically in the case of the MX Master 3, when you're on the free mode, you can feel the inertia of the flywheel spinning inside. So there is physical feedback communicating the infiniteness of it. It's the only thing I like about the MX Master. I'm right about this. That is the best thing ever. YouTube comments trying to find something and just f***ing sending that.

45:05I'm going to close it with this. Ready? I have an Arturia MIDI controller from 15 years ago. This thing is old and it's budget tech. I think it was like$90 when I bought it. Okay? Everything on that keyboard still works. Every single thing. Even the touch strip. something that is it all still works every single endless rotary encoder on there has broken every single one it is the only part of that keyboard that has ceased working there's like 30 of them on that keyboard and they all don't work and it's not like the controller for them failed and all of a sudden they don't work they all are messed up in their own stupid jittery own way because it's a stupid stupid component to put on anything well isn't doesn't everyone think that the knob doesn't even do anything on this it's just for the lanyard no let's say it did do something do you think it would be stopped or infinite it better be stepped it's probably it's probably infinite it can be in the rabbit we just have the rabbit steps the rabbit is infinite too yeah it's gonna be infinite no one wants to get compared to the actually actually honestly I might give the rabbit a pass.

46:12What? Oh, no. Hold on. No, no, no, no. I might give the rabbit a pass specifically on its knob. It has the same number of elements every time. I don't know. That just feels right. Ugh. All right. You just lost all the credibility for your entire... The rabbit... Okay, rant over. That one was tough. All right. Hat shaking. No more knobs. Hat shaking. I'm still trying to think of what to be mad about. That was a good rant, though. I feel like we need to go back and edit the, like, if you don't feel like listening to this jump to time code all right pixel event we have ladies and gentlemen at least a date for the next pixel event and that is let me just make sure i pulled out because i tweeted it was it august well i feel like that's the funny part about it it is so much different than what we're used to that you have to double check what the date i got the invite you're invited to an in person made by google event where we'll showcase the best of google ai android software and the pixel portfolio of devices august 13th um so now we know when that's coming now we know also when samsung unpacked is also happening where we get the new foldables and probably the ring and probably something else so yeah devices they're everything's so much earlier i feel slowly samsung used to be end of august now it's oh yeah mid july right didn't the pixel used to be october yeah the last year's was october 4th huh it's so much different this is now and that's not just like a step back this is a step back from a whole nother release it used to be the release after the iphone release yeah now it's before the iphone whoa i did not realize this was the pixel 9 event this whole time i thought it was just the watch oh no this is the pixel 9 pixel portfolio devices i assume this is pixel 9 yeah here's my theory start of august is usually when we just see the whole phone already they're getting ahead of they're just like let's just do the event then you're all you all know what it is already it's been done for months they might as well just send it yeah yeah instead of getting leaked for two straight months before it comes out that's a good idea yeah there there were some we've talked about leaks before um i think the biggest kind of change to the pixel 9 that we're seeing is that the camera bump on the back isn't rolling over onto the side rails like it used to miss that i like if the renders are correct i kind of like it because it also looks like this it has flat edges as well so i like the flat edges part i thought that because this is what's happened if you just continue extending what's happening here it just turns into a regular camera bump just like every other phone i thought what made the pixel the pixel was the visor i think they did a good job at keeping the visor vibe while also rounding the edges of it to fitting this like pixel rounded edges vibe lately or what that render looks like i think it's still very pixel and you would still pick it out as a pixel despite having a case on it you're right i'm just hitting fast forward and i just continue to see it you know shrinking into just a regular old camera the crab theory yep it's an evolution we're watching in front of our very eyes this is the first time it steps out of the water okay it's still got the gills it's fine but it's it's gonna be a tough couple years no this i think it'll be fine i think it'll be a good-looking phone with nice hard side edges and i'll love it and then yeah hopefully the software is good too pixel 3 watch pixel watch what do we pixel watch 3 yeah sorry assuming that you're saying i haven't seen as well i haven't seen anything about it what was what's one thing you would like to see in the new pixel watch bigger size still round with like very curved edges like it's still yeah still love the form factor i i think they kept it one size for a reason but i would like a larger size available for me i would like a bigger screen and a bigger battery and bigger everything and a bigger watch what if same size but the screen just extended out to the curve better it's already pretty good is it i feel like pretty good i mean they do a good job of like blending it because the glass is so curved yeah so it feels like it can't really get much further out what if they it got around the curve like the image itself yeah like the screen i mean that'd be sick but i'd still want a bigger because i want a bigger battery i think the device needs a bigger battery that's what i want i like the small size i liked wearing it um it didn't feel clunky like this garmin watch i love but it's gigantic yeah i'm wearing an ultra right now but the the battery was terrible yeah i want a two-day battery life pixel watch that'd be fire two-day battery should be standard on all smart watches like legitimate two-day it's a good take it's a good take hot take all right i'm spinning the hat back towards you still brainstorming my rant i really don't know are you new motorola razor oh yeah that came out this week we just got yeah it's announced uh well there's two actually right there's a new razor and a razor plus razor plus being the 999 flagship foldable with a larger outside cover screen it's like a four inch outside cover screen now it's also 165 hertz ltpo which is cool because you use it a lot i found that when i used the razor i i liked that it was a big outside screen but i i'm not a person who ever like stayed on the outside screen even though i know that that's why it's supposed to be really good you're supposed to be able to just open it read a text swipe over clear a few notifications check that one read the first few lines of an email and then put your phone away i just i just opened the phone i think that's me why it's just like it's not a phone for you but that screen i seems like the reason why people like this phone like this yeah they're giving you all the right reasons to continue using it more customization 165 hertz ltpo it's corner to corner the whole thing's ipx8 water resistance that's cool yeah uh and it's a thousand bucks for this phone a couple cool colors too the colors are really sweet what's cool is prices didn't change between the two yeah um and the regular version is now getting the 3.6 screen that the old plus had because it used to be a 1.5 inch screen i think on the front so now if you are getting the cheaper version you can still have the benefits of the front screen while the plus still gets a couple of small upgrades to the screen which are also really nice but these colors yeah are great so the cheaper razor the cheaper razor is now 699 i think it's the same as last year yeah and it gets that new bigger screen that's cool yeah like i was under like in my own personal headcanon this whole time that we've been doing foldables i've been kind of thinking that one form factor was gonna win out i don't know if that's true anymore do you think we're just always gonna have both form factors flip and fold a crumple phone as ellis wants i think the fold is beating the flip right now really in what in popularity or just an evolution because i think flips more popular that's a really good question i see more about folding phones but that's probably because of the like like space yeah where we the bubble that we are in yeah but i you're probably right i bet the flip is probably more popular i think the flip makes more sense to everyday people but i've seen i still can't believe how many folds i see i played disc golf with someone who was keeping score on our card the other day and he had a samsung fold and i was like huh interesting i just don't i see them so much all the time and i'm surprised they've gotten into hand so quickly it does feel like they they are like uh crabbing into their own like several different crabs like they're shrink they're all basically feeling similar to each other in flips and they're all feeling similar to each other in folds yes that makes sense so yeah whoever whoever makes the thinnest most advanced fold everyone starts chasing that one and i feel like the the z flip is the standard for flips and they all kind of look more and more like each other there too could it get small thin enough to where it starts like this it flips out to a regular size candy bar phone but then this is now the front screen and then it opens up like a book and now you have the bigger inner screen that requires four screens that's a lot of screens and also it'd be pretty thick if it did that it's definitely in a prototype lab lg definitely has a prototype of that somewhere tcl's built that a few times already they're like how much thinner can we make this yeah no that's it's out there it's a phone you can buy i think you have to be on verizon again because you know it's moto that's how they roll uh but yeah shout out to the new the new moto razor we should take one more break we've got more headline in more hat and we have more trivia to talk about

55:03okay next question from the pod quiz god himself james carter and question two the arm processor is in everything these days i'm sure we've all got them in our phones in our pockets arm is an acronym what does it stand for and what did it originally stand for it changed in around 1990 oh you y 'all are done bro this is so what did it stand for and what did it originally stand for two points two points two points available i won't be getting either i think david would have gotten the first part i suspect he would have gotten at least one point I suspect, yeah. But now that it's Ellis... I know what one of them is.

55:53Maybe you'll get one point. We'll do two separate points. I'm not going to get it. Do I have to tell you which one is the old one and which one is the new one? Okay, cool. I'll call James. Thanks. Alright, well, we'll do some thinking. You guys better be thanking your lucky stars that I'm not answering trivia questions every week. Because I'd be out here bawling. Well, you do make them. Okay, yeah, we'll think about it. We'll be right back.

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57:13all right welcome back to our final stage of headlines in a hat i said it right that time i'm proud of that okay here we go

57:24this says galaxy watch ultra now this is a natural evolution because samsung does what apple does when it works well that's not what that says that's not what this says but uh yeah i'm wearing an apple watch ultra and samsung went wait you're saying we can charge a thousand not that they don't already do this but you can charge a thousand dollars for a watch if we just give it a ton more battery and features and it's just the same thing as when we already make cool great they already had the pro they already have they already have thousand dollars smartwatch yeah they need uh They need to just sort of, they're so tempted by the ultra thing.

58:06I get it. They have an ultra phone already. Why not? 47 mil. You know, it does make more sense for them to call it the ultra versus the pro because that follows the phone naming scheme. Yeah. Have you seen the leaks for this yet? Or the renders? Well, so first of all, the reason we know that it's called the Galaxy Watch Ultra and that it has LTE and is 47 millimeters is Samsung accidentally posted a support page post about it saying that and then took it down very quickly but of course we found it not we uh i think nine to five nine what 91 mobiles found it 91 mobiles found it yeah um but have you seen these renders because these were all over twitter the other day but i think you were out so you may have missed this but the design of this has got a lot of people talking really why it looks fine you think it looks fine yeah people seem to have very polarizing opinions on this do you want to describe it for our it's kind of like a like a squared off circle yeah it's a squircle kind of like it's the apple watch ultra it's a squircle with a circle though yes yeah okay that's that's a good observation so the screen itself is a circle and has a circular bezel but then the frame around it is more of like a squared off circle probably to just have more room inside for battery and things like that i i'm fine with it that looks fine to me orange uh dial as well which is very apple watch ultra but also probably my favorite part of the apple watch is the orange accent i've gone back and forth on liking this or disliking this i i kind of just wish it was the squircle shape without the circle on the inside yeah i would have liked more more screen coverage on the front but then again i think all of samsung smart watches are circles they are mistaken yep so they're just keeping with that i like that yeah um yeah i don't i don't know i like it and i dislike it i've also been recently thinking of switching back to a samsung watch my problem is i need more battery which maybe this will have i i feel like i love my garmin watch i've been using this for like a year and a half now it's i i bought it because of all the health metrics and everything and i seem to not care about them as much but now i've gotten to the point where i need the notifications on my wrist and i check the time so often i hate my phone being on vibrate or ringer so i need something buzzing me for calendar tasks or text messages this is really bulky you just say tasks yeah oh i'll just let that slide but i'm proud of you tasks that's awesome thank you that means a lot yeah um this feels bulky i think the samsung watches look nicer the battery watch is a problem i've also thought about doing no watch because this watch tan is getting terrible yeah it's hot out here yeah so i don't know i think i might try out the new samsung watch whatever it comes out because i am using a samsung phone now i did like my galaxy watch before i think there's some of the nicest looking ones i want to see this in person not versus a render and see what it looks like yeah but it is also just going to be big and bulky like my garmin and i kind of want something smaller yeah i think david was saying he did not like the way this one looked and i kind of really do like it yeah same yeah oh yeah so maybe it's not polarizing and david just gaslit me into thinking that it is super polarizing well it looks like a watch it does i mean it seems like it's only slightly bigger in display than the current max size watches you can get from samsung but the biggest known benefit to more chassis size is just here's some more room for battery yeah it's just if that's what you're after that is what it probably will offer but i guess tbd because it was just a leak and then disappeared well yeah this is a render so this wasn't even part of the leak so it might not even be what we're seeing yeah it is slightly bigger the galaxy watch pro is 45 millimeters so that will be a touch bigger and i'm assuming the 47 is the screen size not the squircle size right yeah i just i think i i get why it's a little weird that it's a circle inside of a squircle but it is like you said all we always say hey can our phones just be a little bit thicker so we can have some better battery life so if that means this has over two days of battery life which i still think is the minimum that i want i'll be really happy about it you'll get one and a half and you'll be thankful i will and i'm realistic all right so yeah we'll see that very soon right if it comes out at unpacked then yes if it doesn't then maybe sometime later this year we'll see huh it could be at unpacked i hope we see you in july word well it's your turn to pick a headline and i have a hat there are headlines in it all right this isn't a headline this is just the ionic 6n we have at the office oh the 5n it's the 5n yeah ionic 5n yes you're right sorry oh man we have the 5n it's kind of sick but it's not like how did you describe it to us yesterday Okay, the Ioniq 5N, so I've talked about the Ioniq 5.

1:03:25We've made a video about it. The Ioniq 5N is their sportier version, maybe even a track version of the Ioniq 5. Makes some sacrifices. It also straight up pretends to be a gas car. And I don't know if you realize how far it goes to try to pretend to be a gas car, but it is one of the most fun and funny car experiences ever. Because when you think about it, okay, what are the advantages of an electric powertrain over a gas powertrain? Typically, it's one gear, maybe two gears. So you have this relentless pull of instant torque and then just pulling you forward. That's what all the most powerful, fastest, quickest electric cars have done.

1:04:09the IONIQ 5N has a mode that emulates a gas car a gas powertrain a seven speed gearbox and literally has paddle shifters and an engine sound so you can pull through gears and it acts like a gas car through all of the gears meaning it's slower at lower rpms it builds torque at higher rpms you can redline it which means you missed a shift and it will slow down and you'll feel the shifts as you're driving it kicks you when you do a heavy shift it kicks you literally you feel like yeah and it it inserts all of this with the control of the electric motor so yes it is slower than it could be if it just drove like it normally could just flat out but it's the engagement it's the feel it's the sounds and boy are the sounds there are some serious sounds you know this This reminds me of my friend's dad when we were kids used to pull up to like nice looking cars at stoplights with like a Dodge Caravan full of kids.

1:05:12And he used to rev the engine and then he used to fake shift and like make noises with his mouth. Oh my God. And this sounds like the EV version of that. Basically, yeah. I still do that. You still do that? it uh it has a speaker inside the cabin that is specifically over your shoulder so that it sounds like it's coming from where the exhaust would be coming from and there's also a speaker outside of the cabin that you can turn on or off so that when you're driving when you're banging through gears you actually have people outside you hear what you're hearing i really all true i really appreciate that you can turn it on inside the cabin and off outside the cabin.

1:05:51So you can do it. I think you should have to make the commitment of if you're listening to it inside, you have to pretend to play it outside. It's funny. There are so many cars that pump more sound into the cabin so that you can hear them. Like the i8, BMW i8, it's kind of like a quiet car, but they pump so much sound into the cabin that you would think your car is super loud because you want to hear it, but it's not that loud. This is kind of the opposite. It's like, yeah, I want people to hear more than they actually have to. That's just blast everything. Yeah. There are three modes. There are three modes.

1:06:24The first one sounds, I think, the most like a normal car. It's got this low grumble. Wait, I think that's, I believe that's mode two. I think the first one, the top one. The one with the grumble, you're talking about this one?

1:06:42Yeah. I'm pretty sure that's number two. I could be wrong about that. Wait, let me hear the first one. The first one sounds like this. Oh, okay. The first one is the one that has the shifts that sound like this. Okay.

1:06:59Okay, yeah. The other one with the grumble. That sounds the most like a regular car. It's actually, I think they were telling me it's based on the Elantra N. Actually, no. I think the behavior is based on the Elantra N, not the sound. the behavior the way it pulls through uh like a 7 750 rpm red line and has i think it's either a seven or eight speed gearbox i'm not going to get all this right off the top of my head but it behaves like the elantra n which is kind of hilarious this this is an electric car yeah this is how it sounds when you accelerate and when the the car shifts you you feel it it's like knots and and i don't know if it's actual like haptics or if they're just using the speakers in the car but when you switch into that mode and you begin to hear the low engine rumble you feel the car vibrate really in there it's it just sounds like you're driving a forza simulator

1:07:56yeah it's fully electric and it fully commits to that sound the other two sounds however uh don't really sound like a normal gas car i'll let you hear them

1:08:12kind of weird that's a little

1:08:17i i think you could get used to them but they sound more like a video game listen to these shit another one sounds like a video game miles said it best the the in mode one the sound of the gears shifting is the same sound you get if you hit a cyber truck with a sledgehammer

1:08:41just slamming through gears sounds like like giant robots are attacking yeah that's so aggressive it's so funny i think that one could fool me if he has a little burble and you let off yeah this one

1:09:01also sorry everyone for the uh the shaking clearly the shock mount uh on our binaural mic is not good enough for these raucous launches i would love to know in the comments for those of you who have made it this far who is this car for who is the ionic 5n an electric car fully masquerading as a gas car what is the customer that goes i love banging through gears hearing the sounds feeling the forces and taking my car to a track but it's got to be electric or is it i want an electric car but i want to take it to the track and also i want to feel all these things so why do you want an electric car i don't i don't know who the person is i feel like taking it to a track is the place you get made fun of the most for doing having fake sounds coming out but also it would make a really funny video of just like showing up to track day with it the car looks by the way awesome it looks fantastic i love it it's got a good size backseat it's kind of like a fast hatch type of size it's also very similar to the ev6 gt it's it's like 200 miles of range tops yeah like it's it's not the most practical car in the world but it is a fun car it looks it's really really fun i wish you should be able to um import in sound packs so you can replicate like a wrx or joe wait there's no way hyundai is gonna let you do that but maybe someone will find a way to uh bring in like forza sounds and wow replicate some different different kinds of cars that would be really fun it's like you're the impression person now do you know like the guy that like breathes into the can and does all the different cars different engine sounds yeah yeah your car could do that for you that would be or you could do that guy's sound what if you could use that guy's sounds in the cans as your car drive by you just hear that guy's voice as he drives down the street that would also be crazy i kind of love that idea i know they would never do it because hyundai doesn't have enough cars that sound like that and they wouldn't do another car but that i love that idea wow okay that was uh the second is it my i think there's one left yeah my pull pull it final headline in a hat

1:11:22uh it says rivian and what we're referring to is a volkswagen group investing was it five billion dollars in rivian which honestly isn't much news but it is good news if you're a rivian fan because that means they get an injection to capital if you're rivian stockholder that means they're more likely to be around longer if you have an r2 reservation if you feel more confident that it will get to that point great point r3 is that much more likely to eventually come around all good news um yeah i do think it's a little interesting because we always talk about who will win this race of software companies making a great vehicle or legacy car manufacturers making good software.

1:12:04And now they are going to partner up with that architecture and use it on some future cars, which they say within the second half of this decade. So it sounds like Volkswagen's going to get some help on the software side from Rivian based on what they've learned because they've made it this far and seem to be doing a pretty good job. so this was not something i was fully expecting even though rivian's gotten investments from like ford i think they're supposed to build a ford suv at some point but that never happened so it's great for rivian i think it's a it's good for volkswagen as well because now hopefully volkswagen group owns so many car companies i don't know if you know like they they own porsche audi lamborghini like across the board and they make tons of different types of cars so i mean this just feels like another yet another feather in their cap of like oh yeah we're gonna also make yeah rivians that's another thing we work with them on cool great i don't know i just i'll see what the you know announcements are that come out of this and when they actually start making new models that'll be cool to see but yeah i just think it makes the ones that they've already announced that much more likely to eventually actually come out which is great if you're a rivian fan this hopefully should be good as long as they're not uh stepping on any toes over at rivian but question about this because we were talking about this i think last week with the with the fisker news where let's say somewhere down the line rivian doesn't make it and they are no longer a company what happens to the rivians like i want an r3 if i get an r3 eventually when that comes out and then the company goes belly up what i do with my car there's a couple things that change when a car company goes under the most obvious one is service who services your car um don't know you just drive it till something breaks and then you'd fix it yourself or your car is cooked that's what miles was saying that you can't really do that with like it's so much harder yeah you can't really go under the hood like if something just breaks on the inside you're fine but if something like fundamentally has an issue with your powertrain on an ev that's that's the end if you can't service it so that's that is a concern but then there's other things like software updates uh do they continue to get software updates or support or if they stop getting updates and there's some sort of an attack or something what happens then i don't know there's also charging network and this is a little simpler because they should all have the ability to with an adapter plug into any tesla supercharger but before that it was even weirder because if you don't have access and rivian has those chargers that are theoretically no longer maintained because they go belly up then where do you plug in only electrify america that's a bummer yeah it's uh it's not a good not a good look when the product maker disappears it's definitely tougher because like even with tesla being the most popular ev right now if you have to get your tesla fixed at like a non-tesla service center like a mechanic still parts are way more scarce compared to like legacy manufacturers and not every mechanic is able to do it so if you're something like a fisker if you brought a fisker into a mechanic right now they would be like yeah sorry man i can't help you like nothing's gonna happen here um even if you probably brought a tesla into a lot of them they would be like i don't know if i can do this and they're far more popular than anything else so yeah yeah it's a tough spot if uh rivian went belly up which i hope they never do you're in a bad spot i everyone with a fisker right now is probably very worried that and hopes nothing that's sort of a ticking clock on how long you can drive that thing yeah well I didn't find anything to get mad about so I guess I'm mad about that there you go wow nice great job there it is I found something let's do trivia I got on board this time oh yeah

1:16:03all right first question I'm just gonna play James again so the first one question one In 1947, Harvard computer scientists claimed to have discovered the first computer bug when they removed a creature from a relay in the Harvard Mark II computer that had caused it to fail. What kind of creature was it?

1:16:32Andrew staring blankly into space. I don't know how to drive. I was going to try and drive. I drew one. I don't think it's accurate, though. I am sitting in David's seat, so it would be canon for me to do a terrible drawing. Material. And you have to write in cursive. Tilt brush. Cursive. I don't think David does either. Material theme editor. I get to flip a board. This is so crazy. Ooh, flip him and read. What do you guys got? Oh. Ellis, what did you say? I said fly. Andrew. Roach. Marquez. Roach. Okay. and the answer and um i asked what creature was extracted from the harvard mark ii computer making it the first real computer bug and that was a moth oh none of you got it it was a moth i think that makes so confident i was trying to think of what bug would be in a house and a moth makes so much more sense it was a moth i i had to assume harvard people wouldn't have roaches for some reason.

1:17:35Well, they do. Boston, yes, they have roaches. Damn. Shots fired. Watch me get these next two wrong, too, and all my confidence go out the window. Oh, yeah. I forgot you said you definitely knew the answer to that. I thought he would know that one. That's, like, fairly popular computer trivia. I was ballpark in it. Yeah, you're close. Yeah. Moth, fly, bee. Bee. Bee. Okay, now let me find a second one real quick. Wait, I'm not supposed to say that. Sorry. I'm so used to being where you are. All right. And now the second question. The ARM processor is in everything these days. I'm sure we've all got them in our phones, in our pockets.

1:18:13ARM is an acronym. What does it stand for? And what did it originally stand for? It changed in around 1990. Again, two points up for her. The acronym is ARM. I just want to confirm that, right? Yes. Google Bulletin I can't even make up a fun one and I have to make up two Message Center Works with Nest API Hangouts on Air I did that YouTube Gaming I only have one I did Hangouts on Air Wow The seat got to you You were very confident until you had to get into the hot seat I knew I had one but I didn't know it ever changed. Dang. All right. Flip them and read. What do you got? Mark has you go first.

1:19:06Gobbledygook. I wrote actual real messages, which is wrong. And then I wrote arm instruction manual, which is also wrong. I could use an arm. Andrew, would you write? Hold on. Yes. Instruction is an I with the R's in the middle. Yes, it's exactly right. Yeah. I like that. I wrote architect's random memory. Okay, sure. I put advanced risk machine. Risk with a C? Risk with a C. What does that stand for? It's another acronym. It stands for reduced instruction set chip. There's an acronym inside an acronym? There is. Damn Skippy. Jesus. Wow. This has been a trivia question before too. What has? What does risk stand for?

1:19:50Oh. Oh. Well, I wouldn't have gotten that either. All right. The answer to the second question. And for number two, I asked what the ARM acronym was. These days it is the Advanced Risk Machine. Let's go! But the ARM processor was originally developed by a British computer company called Acorn Computers. And it was originally the Acorn Risk Machine. Oh, fun fact. Cool. That's interesting branding. So David gets one more point. Wait, we're doing that? Ellis on the board with a point. Yeah, you're for David. All right. Sorry I didn't get you three, David. So the score after this is Marquez still with 11.

1:20:36Andrew with 12. I wanted that ball. You were tied with David. I want to laugh these questions. David now has 13. And Ellis on the board with one. Let's go. Are you carrying the one now? I'm literally carrying the one. Also, James was like, if you write trivia questions, you can't answer them. I guess I only got a third of them right. So maybe that is kind of true. Great and zero. Great and zero, my friend. Yeah. Well, that concludes this episode of Headlines in a Hat. This is a good hat. This is good headlines. Good trivia. Thank you, James. Yeah, thank you, James. Shout out to that whole episode if you go watch it.

1:21:17It's another good one. Another banger bonus episode. But we'll be back with your regularly scheduled programming. And of course, that means we'll be back next week. So until then, catch you later. Peace.

1:21:30Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Roven, this time with additional trivia from James from Podquiz. We are part of the Vox Media Podcast Network, and our intro-outro music is produced by Vane. Shut up, guys! So.

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