Tesla Gives Up on Model S & X

9:12David Imel:Next year? Next year? No.

9:14Andrew Edwards:I think it could make it that long, yeah. That'd be pretty embarrassing if R2 got released and Cybertruck got shut down. That would be tough.

9:22Marques Brownlee:Yeah, R2 is supposed to be this year as well. R2, though, is like... They're a bit different. It's supposed to be their mass market thing.

9:30David Imel:there's two other little tesla things or tesla related things here one thing we missed when we were talking about the or maybe it just happened after but remember we were talking about how full self-driving is going to subscription only model yeah one thing it seems like they took away just from all teslas is the auto steer or at least auto sealer on model 3 and model y as like just a base option because their naming is always so confusing autopilot just comes with cars right

9:57Marques Brownlee:Yeah. Yeah. It's not full self-driving. Yeah. Full self-driving is the full suite. Autopilot is the lesser basic suite.

10:05David Imel:And then the auto steer is like automatically in centering, right? Which at this point, most cars have. Most new cars. Yeah. The 2026 base Corolla has auto. It seems like they just took it out of autopilot on Model 3 and Model Y. On new ones? it's just when you purchase them now it's not listed in the features of what it comes with. There is still traffic aware cruise control but I saw a bunch of people on Reddit freaking or on Twitter like so we just lost all lane centering now aka if you don't buy full self driving this is now like one of the least technologically advanced cars in terms of quote unquote self driving.

10:53Marques Brownlee:So they're trying to push people to spend the$99 a month.

10:55David Imel:Because part of Elon's giant trillion dollar performance package is based on 10 million active full self driving subscriptions.

11:03Marques Brownlee:So that's one of the levers basically that Tesla is pulling to help try to push people towards buying full self driving by making the car that doesn't help full self driving worse than normal. By not having any sort of

11:15David Imel:drive assist, I see. It makes a lot of sense.

11:19Andrew Edwards:That seems like a horrible idea. Because there's all these other cars out there that have the equivalent of what they already have.

11:26David Imel:I think it's really hypocritical also to be like, Tesla's are the safest on the road because look at all these things they helped do to distracted drivers, but take it away. It's like when they took away two-factor authentication on Twitter. Yeah, and put it behind a paywall. And put it behind a paywall. It feels like that. Yeah, that's crazy. And then the other quick thing. Do you want to talk about this? Yeah, I'll talk about this.

11:49Andrew Edwards:Okay, the other quick thing is that spacex basically acquired xai or is merging with xai i think you're right that they acquired acquired xai yeah and are merging with it by acquiring it and xai acquired x twitter so the reason that people think that they're doing this i mean now it's like it's the combined company is valued at over a trillion dollars which is insane um and i know that they have been talking about eventually taking it public and it would be the first ipo to ipo over a trillion which is

12:22Marques Brownlee:just how much of that trillion do you think comes from xai versus space so that's thing okay space

12:28Andrew Edwards:is hugely profitable uh xai is not xai is reportedly burning over a billion dollars a month on both data center fees and employees uh which is just insane work sam altman wishes that's all he was burnt yeah ironically like they basically merged xai and twitter because twitter was losing too much money and now they're merging xai slash twitter and spacex because xai was losing too much

12:56Marques Brownlee:money it's weird that's just such a weird company sometimes i think about like tesla was already kind of a weird company when you think about it as far as the range of things that they would make What other car company makes both a$40 ,000 sedan and a$200 ,000 sports car and, as what they would claim to make, and a semi-truck and a pickup truck? I can't think of a car company that does all of them well. Does Toyota have a sports car? Do they have a$200 ,000 super car and a semi-truck? Don't they make trucks like, aren't the big, like, 16-year-olds? Toyota makes trucks. I know Volvo makes trucks.

13:34Marques Brownlee:like there's some but i don't have all those one yeah that was already strange to me i don't think

13:38David Imel:to make semi trucks no no oh sorry i just meant like big pickup trucks yeah i don't but then you

13:43Marques Brownlee:know the tesla semi truck it's like what company does all these things so this is an even weirder set of companies oh we're a we're a software company an ai company we also have a social

13:54Andrew Edwards:network and we also do rockets the way that musk is trying to make this make any sense is he saying that in order to scale AI, you're going to have to put data centers in space. And the only way to do that is with SpaceX. So now you're going to put these AI data centers in space that are powered by solar. He's like doing the like pointing at the whiteboard. And then at the very end of his statement, he's like, and a free speech social media network. And it's like, how does that have anything to do with the rest of your industries? I don't know. It kind of feels like we're accelerating towards that sort of, I feel like in every, in like back to the future And like every sort of like future movie where there's a lot of dystopia going on, there's always the like Musk Industries type thing.

14:39Andrew Edwards:And that's what this company is eventually going to become. Because Tesla, I mean, they're getting rid of their main cars. They're having problems constantly. I would not be surprised if in two to three years Tesla also merged with SpaceX.

14:52Marques Brownlee:And then they add the SpaceX rockets to the Roadster and it finally ships. And it obviously was going to happen the whole time.

14:58Andrew Edwards:Well, I don't know about finally ships, but he can make the excuse because he has said that they're going to put rocket boosters on the back of the roadster. He has said that. He has said that. He's said many things. So you could see him making that argument, and I feel like they would just call it X Industries or something, and it's just everything. If you want to make the Everything app, he is certainly making the Everything company.

15:19Marques Brownlee:I don't know about the Everything app. I feel like every time one of his companies merge, it's to solve the problem of another company. But what is going to happen after space? like when spacex and like let's say they do this and then they need to keep growing what do you merge with there's nothing left well luckily spacex is actually bringing in a lot of revenue for now while the government is giving it all its money because it's defunding nasa but

15:39Andrew Edwards:like yeah and starlink brings in a lot of money yeah starlink brings in a ton of money yeah i do

15:44Marques Brownlee:think the big point though is that like like there wasn't enough liquid capital to keep xai running to keep x not even xai running but just keep xai expanding yeah to keep pace with its competitors since Elon was just like, well, I could tap into my other company's money. Sorry, investors.

16:02Andrew Edwards:It's like when Microsoft bailed out Apple, except you're bailing out yourself.

16:07David Imel:Ellis and I were talking about a tweet we saw earlier. Ellis and I both saw a tweet that was like, Elon's buying Twitter for the third time.

16:19Andrew Edwards:Speaking of, I don't know, there's probably rare metals in rocket ships. I kind of like the big disappointments. Oh, that was a better one. We can keep it. Let's keep both. Speaking of potential big disappointments, and I'm not talking about what my mom said before I was born.

16:39Marques Brownlee:Damn.

16:41Andrew Edwards:The Samsung Galaxy S26, there's a report that it will not have Q2. And I know that I said I was 102 % sure. And you know what? I'm doubling the f***ing gap in a way. I'm doubling down because I got nothing to lose at this point. I'll explain.

16:57David Imel:Do you want me to explain why? Yes. So Ben Shun at 9to5Google did an article, and what happened is there's leak of some S26 cases. Now, the issue with these cases is there's two versions of them, one with a magnetic ring, one without a magnetic ring. And when you have magnets in the back of a phone, they work really well to connect to a ring. But when you have a case now in between that magnetic connection without another ring adding additional magnets to keep the strength, you're losing kind of the features of the ring. So we're kind of looking at this case with no ring as the writing on the wall of there's probably no magnets inside the phone.

17:36Andrew Edwards:You know, if Samsung liked this phone, they should have put a ring on it. That's all I'm gonna say.

17:40David Imel:Damn, that was a bar.

17:41Andrew Edwards:It's just so good. I don't know, man, that was good. Now Google is gonna have all these ads that are like, we've had magnets for two years and Samsung can't get their shit together.

17:54Marques Brownlee:Why is Samsung... I have all these theories and I'm working on a video idea now about... We were talking about silicon carbon batteries before, about how we've seen this divide of some companies just going for it with silicon carbon batteries and some standing on the sidelines and not jumping in. And I think that's interesting. Samsung is standing on the sidelines. But Samsung isn't doing anything with their main flagships, which is, I get it. It's like the three and the Y. It's like privacy screen. That's totally valid. Actually, that's kind of really interesting. And we'll get to that maybe in a little bit.

18:28Marques Brownlee:But it's like the design itself has been unchanged for the past like four or five years now. And that's not that there's anything wrong with the design, but you kind of start to wonder, are they going to improve anything? Like the cameras haven't gotten much better. The chip just gets the normal spec bump every year. The batteries have been almost the same size every year. It's been four or five years since we've gotten a real meaningful change to these phones. And I don't think they're going to do it. And this was an opportunity to do something to give people with three-year-old S23s a reason to upgrade.

18:57Marques Brownlee:And I just, they just skipped it. So it's interesting.

19:01Andrew Edwards:I think they're just leaning into less towards consumers and more towards just like business phones and just being able to like ship the default of everything.

19:12David Imel:It's not a great path to go down to continue doing it. It feels like the way to get forgotten really easily, but when you're trying to be the default.

19:19Andrew Edwards:I guess it depends because when people buy Android phones, besides the enthusiasts, do people just want reliable same or do they want?

19:27Marques Brownlee:Yeah, I guess that's us enthusiasts talking and then regular people just buying the same thing over and over anyway. It's like, why should they change it?

19:36David Imel:I feel like Motorola and LG kind of were doing that and then Samsung kept being like, we're flashy, look at us and kind of took that share over and then became the default and now they're coasting.

19:45Andrew Edwards:Yeah, but LG also made the wing. Yeah.

19:47David Imel:well because LG was already scared at that point they did like have a gimmick on every phone

19:53Andrew Edwards:that they sold though I mean that was the thing at the time for Android phones so you can't really doubt them, blame them for that

19:58David Imel:this one though adding magnets to the back so we've heard how like maybe silicon carbon is longevity might be an issue like they're maybe still testing this out a couple magnets on the back to ensure better like charging and give you some accessories seems like the safest bet in the world. I want to know what the potential downside other than profit margins is. I can't see it.

20:23Marques Brownlee:Okay. Also, because Samsung phones are like the phone that you switch to from an iPhone, like you would want to have all of the available features. People who have tons of MagSafe accessories, just give them the magnets.

20:35Andrew Edwards:I've only really heard of people switching to pixels from iPhone because I think you need a lot of pull if you're going to switch from the iPhone. And the pixel is the only thing that has like a lot of interesting, fun things that might actually

20:46David Imel:make you think about it it is i wonder i think samsung could be the one if but the way it gets switched from an iphone isn't i want to use this instead of an iphone it's apple did something i really don't like yeah which has been in the news lately and then like now i'm going to switch because i'm anti-apple going to switch to what the default or samsung was like we can make more money if we sell you a case with a magnet in it that partially is i bet their real excuse is 99 of people use case and the case is going to have the magnet in if you really want it anyways and chi2 ready probably costs less licensing than chi2 is it it's i mean i don't i don't know because there's chi2 ready and chi2 you still need licensing from the same to be able to yeah from the wireless

21:30Andrew Edwards:power consortium i just feel like at samsung scale why are you penny pinching like just do the thing that everyone i just don't know because you sell hundreds of millions of units and then a penny becomes$100 million.

21:42Marques Brownlee:I wonder how long ago this phone was just made already.

21:46Andrew Edwards:It's crazy. It is the S23++.

21:49Marques Brownlee:It's looked the same. They haven't really added it.

21:52David Imel:I love when people say that. That's actually a good point.

21:55Andrew Edwards:We're acting as if they're making this decision yesterday or today. Because how are they going to know that PixelSnap

22:01Marques Brownlee:was a thing or MagSafe? Do people really want that? I don't know. Let's ride it out and see. MagSafe's been a thing, though. I feel like they could have gotten on it. a while ago. I will say, this reminds me of a headline that was maybe a couple days ago, which was that Nothing made another announcement, Nothing the Phone Company, that they were not going to release a new flagship, Nothing Phone 4, because, and they actually said, they don't need to release a new flagship every year because, you know, if there's nothing new to come out with, then why release another flagship? And some of us were like, yeah, that's actually a totally valid place to be.

22:40Marques Brownlee:But if you're Samsung, every year is somebody's third year on a phone and they're going to get ready to upgrade. So every year is an opportunity to have something with the newest chip on the shelf. So, of course, they're going to make a new phone every year. They're Samsung. So I see both sides of it. I'm just like, it would have been so easy to put the magnitude.

23:01Andrew Edwards:Also curious for Carl Pei to be like, phones are going to be much more expensive this year and we're not really.

23:08David Imel:i i do think because we this looks exactly the same one way this could have been a sweet phone is like you had two cool features to it if you added the like in display privacy protector and chi 2 for the enthusiasts you kind of have a banger you're looking at the mvp i actually

23:28Andrew Edwards:question what if they just put that stuff in the ultra and then like cute what if the ultra had

23:34David Imel:chi 2 built in and these cases i mean technically that could be true yeah have they give them an

23:40Andrew Edwards:idea phone like that's the enthusiast model right expensive one with the margin to play with they could just start shoving the enthusiast features just into that phone and if it has success then

23:50Marques Brownlee:move it down to the s27 or something yeah yeah yeah gosh we'll have to see so this isn't full confirmation that it won't have it but yeah it seems unfavorable to the chi 2 fans out there

24:03David Imel:Yeah. There's dozens of us. They're probably all listening to this podcast too. I mean, everyone loves MagSafe, so everyone loves you too. It is. I still think it's the best phone accessory or feature that's happened in the last five years.

24:17Andrew Edwards:For many people that upgraded from Pixel 9 to Pixel 10 or just wanted to, it was a big reason why a lot of people justified doing it.

24:24Marques Brownlee:Not the lanyard on the CMF Phone 2 Pro. Oh, I did forget about that. The lanyard. That's pretty good too.

24:30Andrew Edwards:And the upgradable accessories that they will keep adding accessories for totally, for real, forever. God. Well, speaking of things that we thought would be real but apparently are not, Apple, Ansel Adams, Apple Adams, Adams Apple, Apple has canceled the Pro Apps Bundle for Education, which was like the best deal of the decade. It really was. And then they just quietly removed it.

24:57David Imel:so it's i wanted to put this in because we just gave apple a ton of credit on creating the creator studio subscriptions but also leaving all the one-time purchases they haven't gone totally off the rail and took and taken that all away this is specifically the bundle for education it was 200 for final cut pro logic pro motion compressor and main stage which is honestly i feel like they forgot about it and one day just went like oh we're people can still spend that little that is an insane uh it's a crazy deal you still can use an educational discount to buy each of them individually okay it is way more expensive to do it that way um i don't know when this happened i think the first time i saw about it was like a week ago but it's recent enough that ai overview everyone's favorite 100 accurate ai um still says that it's available and attempts to link it yeah um but yeah this just feels like the first crack in the wall of be wary of us offering

25:58Marques Brownlee:one-time purchases for the rest of time i still think the one-time purchases are great deals i mean i obviously this was an incredible deal i'm looking at this now final cut logic motion compressor and main stage for 200 even just final cut and logic for 200 is a great deal yeah um i looked it up it was i think well i gotta get it right now final cut's like 400 i think it was non-education yeah 400 bucks lifetime and i bought it like almost a decade ago at this point 300 final cut was 300 i think either way yeah got my value worth out of that so yeah uh yeah it's 299 yes it makes sense for them to go for the education discount and get those young customers those young pups on those apple apps instead of the adobe ones the reason they almost definitely

26:41Andrew Edwards:the reason they did this is because the apple creator studio they just launched and there is a student discount that makes it three dollars a month for everything which is like insane they're just or 30 bucks a year as opposed to the regular one which is 130 a year so this is the equivalent

26:58Marques Brownlee:of what we were just talking about earlier with uh tesla where they get rid of the one-time payment thing to leverage people into the subscription yeah it's the exact exact same Could you imagine if Apple went the Tesla route of,

27:10David Imel:here's your one-time purchase for Final Cut, and then you buy a new computer, and it doesn't transfer over to your new computer?

27:16Marques Brownlee:Yeah, that would be a bummer.

27:18David Imel:Maybe delete that so they don't get that idea, because someone's writing that down over there.

27:23Andrew Edwards:Can we do that? Yeah, part of the capitalism thing is that you have to keep scaling recurring revenue sources infinitely forever until the end of time. Shareholder value, baby. Yeah.

27:35Marques Brownlee:Just ship it into space.

27:37Andrew Edwards:any non-recurring revenue people are like but you're gonna saturate your market which is true that's what happened to boosted boards but i still missed the era where you could just buy windows and it was the version you had so while we were working on yiddle

27:53Marques Brownlee:i was mixing it in a software called pro tools which i own my own personal copy of i have for many years which is like a whole other thing because pro tools sells this thing called a perpetual license which is just not that what yeah that's like a whole other thing to get into but um i have the mid-tier version of pro tools it's called pro tool studio cost about 500 bucks and um for a perpetual license you can also get the subscription um i ran out of tracks pro tools pro tool studio limits you to 512 tracks so the middle of yiddle hit the track limit was like all right all good i'll just buy the upgrade you know i use this all the time i want to own a personal copy i'll just buy the upgrade there's no upgrade you just have to buy pro tools ultimate which is the subscription no you can there's a there's another perpetual license the reason i put perpetual in quotes is because the perpetual license only gives you updates for one year and then you have to buy an update pack and the update pack is like 80 of the price of the

28:56David Imel:of the license so it's like you can keep using it perpetually but you can't get the updates you

29:01Marques Brownlee:can't get the updates and oftentimes if you update like the os like if you update the most recent version of mac os it won't open anymore because it's only compatible so it forces you to buy the update pack and the update pack again is like most of the price of the actual software and it doesn't come with the stuff in ultimate and there's no upgrade so it's like it was like i couldn't be like oh I already spent$500 I'll just spend another thousand no it's like 1500 what so and how many tracks does that give you 1024 which is enough to finish yittle have we started like colloquially using yittle like I was gonna say in the video in this yeah in the video we reference

29:39David Imel:in yittle he references us saying but outside of you for people that don't well no but if you if you watch yeah in there he explains to everyone I know we started yeah inside of yittle people who

29:49Marques Brownlee:have watched Yiddle know that it's called Yiddle. But on the podcast where we just start saying Yiddle, do people know what that is? Okay, you're right. That's why we can't do decade of the life. That's actually a great point. Let's not do that. But yeah, Yiddle, yeah. Okay, you're in the life. Now y 'all know we say Yiddle if that means you're in the life. Okay, anyway. Cool. We should take a break. I'm sorry, Avid. I didn't mean to throw it under the bus. Is Avid also an acronym? acronyms yeah yeah oh is avid an acronym no avid write to me bravia and let me know if avid's

30:24David Imel:i guess it's still around i just remember going to film school and being like i can't wait to learn avid it's what all the filmmakers are using it's the same same company sony vegas baby it's all about sony yeah it's probably great but i was i used it i was like i'm never using we don't need

30:39Marques Brownlee:to get into it the the cool at all avid rufus and i were talking about it we came up with a really analogy like all avid products are like trying to drive a stick shift car that oh that that where the only interface is an llm like the car works fine it's actually a great car but the fact that the only way you could interact with it is like hey chat shift into third gear pedal down pedal down brakes brakes like twitch plays pokemon yeah it's like it ruins it except you're driving a 70 mile an hour piece of metal. Exactly. But I do love Pro Tools. Anyway, I think it's time. Okay. Let's do it. Trivia.

31:20Marques Brownlee:So in researching today's trivia question, I uncovered a fact that is so ridiculous. I still only half believe it's true, but I was able to find a PCMag article from 2008 that seemingly confirms it. If anyone in the audience knows more about this, please write to me at podcast at mkbhd.com because I really want to learn more about this crazy story. Sounds like something we're not going to know, but I'm excited. Guys, we've talked a lot about the Wireless Power Consortium on this podcast. That's right. But we have not talked about its origins ever. And its origins come from a company called Fulton Innovation or Fulton Innovations that was trying to standardize the wireless power system that they developed for what kind of product?

32:06Marques Brownlee:And when I say kind, I'm not looking for like home goods or automotive. Like I'm looking for a device.

32:11Andrew Edwards:A type of device. Yes. Okay.

32:14Marques Brownlee:So, and this is not it. Like example would be like digital camera. It's not a digital camera, but that's like the last week. Adam said like an excavator or whatever.

32:23David Imel:And it was an excavation. No, Marquez said, that sounds like an excavator. And then Adam was like, no.

32:31Marques Brownlee:The long story short is that this company, I'll explain the whole thing. afterwards. It's really interesting and it actually makes a lot more sense than it does than you would think. Not a car. It's not a car. It's not a camera. Although when they were trying to get this off the ground and they were at CES being like, hey, check out all the things we can do with wireless power. EV charging was one of the hypothetical use cases they showed off. Oh, I love heat loss so much. I know. And also this is in 2008 or 2009 so there weren't even Well, there weren't really EVs yet. There was the mini EV prototype that was around.

33:12Marques Brownlee:There was a RAV4 EV a long time ago. No, there was a few, but it wasn't a thing.

33:20Andrew Edwards:When I worked at Intel, they had a bunch of EV chargers in the garage, and it was just lines of Chevy Bolts. When I worked at Outtel, everything was diesel. Hell yeah.

33:32Marques Brownlee:Bring it back. I didn't know that existed. Wow. Oh, no.

33:35David Imel:The first generation was 97 to 2003.

33:38Marques Brownlee:Oh, my gosh. Are you talking about the Honda Insight? RAV4 EV. Before we go into a break, Andrew, can you read the specs of the original Toyota RAV4 EV? Was that a full?

33:48David Imel:1997 became available on a limited basis. In 2001, it was possible for businesses, cities, or utilities to at least one or two. They sold 328 of them. And 900 were sold in Japan. a 95 oh it had an EPA range of 95 miles and Tesla can't even keep the Model X

34:12Marques Brownlee:production line open

34:14David Imel:it had a 95 amp hour nickel metal hydride battery wait a capacity of 27.4 kilowatt hour charges inductively what?

34:26Marques Brownlee:it charged inductively wireless charged in when did you say this was?

34:31David Imel:98. Well, like 97 to 2001.

34:35Marques Brownlee:Yo. Whoa. Rav4 was crazy. Yeah, what? Sick. I didn't know. Let's go to Japan.

34:41David Imel:We should get one of these for autofocus.

34:43Marques Brownlee:That'd be dope. That's wild. Alright, well, answers to the actual trivia question will be at the end, like usual. We'll be right back.

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36:51Marques Brownlee:It's lobsters. It's lobsters. I haven't really paid as much attention as I should have. I definitely thought it was crabs this whole time. It's lobsters. Well, I guess that makes sense because I molt. As a result, I am a little bit confused and left out, and I would like to know what's going on. All right.

37:05Andrew Edwards:I became entrenched in this over the course of the last week. That's what I need. I need you to get entrenched in this,

37:10Marques Brownlee:and then to take whatever value there is in there,

37:14David Imel:pull it out. Going into it knowing there's no value, I'm more excited. Just leave it at that. I like couldn't be value if you're willing to as well. Entertained to throw away your life.

37:25Marques Brownlee:I'll say that on my timeline, it has been mostly people debating if there's any value at all or if it is the most valuable thing humanity has ever created. That's sort of the question.

37:34David Imel:That seems like the big red flag to prove that something has no value at all. I agree. Okay.

37:39Andrew Edwards:This, okay, so do you remember, Marquez, when we did the episode around Sam Altman getting fired and then sort of not getting fired and then getting hired as the Microsoft's AI CEO and then actually not and then becoming CEO again?

37:51Marques Brownlee:The same episode where Duly Bainer being a cook.

37:54Andrew Edwards:and there was a 300 mile pole star or 400 i don't even remember anyway that's how this situation felt because this entire thing happened in like four days it was like every 20 minutes on the internet there was a new thing happening with this so if you don't know we were talking about something that used to be originally was called claud bot but c-l-a-w-d for claud that's what the whole lobster thing is from. Claw's got it. And then Anthropic, which makes Clawd, which is the AI assistant, got mad at them because Clawd sounds too much like Clawd. Fair. Which is fair. So they changed it to MaltBot, but then people are like, that's a horrible name.

38:36Andrew Edwards:So then they pretty much immediately changed it again to OpenClaw. And everyone knows if you use the word open, you're good. Everyone knows if you use the word open, it's actually open. Must mean you're open source or something. Yeah. Well, this is actually open source. So there is that. Anyway, what this is, effectively, it is an AI agent that lives on your computer instead of just in a browser tab. People are calling this something like what Siri should have been because you can, like, run it on a Mac Mini. You can run it on, like, a Raspberry Pi. You can run it on, like, a lot of different hardware.

39:09Andrew Edwards:And effectively, you give it access to all of your apps. Yeah. You give it access to basically everything in your digital life. your email, your X account, online services. And then you interface with it through like Telegram or WhatsApp or Slack. So you can pick a way to interface with it. By sending it messages? By sending it messages, yeah. And the things that make this different from like a general sort of like regular clawed window agent is that one, it basically has like infinite memory, has persistent memory. because something that is a problem with current LLMs is that they will continuously forget.

39:47Andrew Edwards:I have used Cloud Code a bit. And if you're coding a project and then you come back to it the next day, it does not remember what you were working on. It has to look through your old chats to like keep up, like catch up with what you were working on. Which is why you have to like start new projects and stuff

40:04Marques Brownlee:to give it the context and everything. It's a whole thing.

40:07Andrew Edwards:And so the whole selling point of this is that it's sort of a persistent agent that has access to all of your stuff that can autonomously go do stuff for you. So you can say, you can tell it like every morning at 7 a.m., give me a briefing of like, what are the biggest stories on The Verge? What's happening on Twitter, blah, blah, blah. And because it's like, you know, it's sort of running on your computer, but it's also accessing things on the internet. It's able to go and do things for you. There have been some developers that are like, here's the app that I'm working on. Here's a project I'm working on.

40:37Andrew Edwards:I want you to like add one new feature to it every night while I'm sleeping and then when I wake up pitch me the feature and do a push like a pull request and like merge it if I like the feature and I think that that is a really interesting idea you know um all of it obviously all of that comes with a lot of trust because the whole dream scenario we've talked about this multiple times both on the podcast and I think on dedicated videos about how like the better that if you want to reach like the the perfect type of the

41:11Marques Brownlee:technology you have to give up like everything yeah the ideal assistant like a human assistant you could picture like has to know as much as possible about you to be as useful to you as possible yeah and these ai assistants represent a way for them to just constantly be learning about you and know even more than a human ever could and therefore maybe be as helpful as a human or more Right. Right. Yeah.

41:34Andrew Edwards:So there are there are other interesting things about this. Like you can tell it to go do something. And if it it'll basically keep trying to figure out how to make it work and it'll access different like APIs and things to make that work. So somebody asked their cloud bot, hey, can you make me a reservation at this restaurant? And I guess it was not able to access the OpenTable API. So what it did was it created its own voice using one of these AI voice tools and then it called the restaurant and then it made the reservation for him through that. Nope, I'm out. So I think that one was OK. And then we will get to this.

42:09Andrew Edwards:Yeah. This became a trend on Twitter of people being like, I can't believe what just happened. My Claude bot did blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it accelerated to a level where I'm pretty sure a lot of people were just faking the things that it was doing for engagement bait because you make money on Twitter by having engagement or at least impressions. and so there were people that were you know doing like i just got thirty thousand dollars worth of food delivered to my front door and i didn't order it and i i looked to see what happened and my clodbot had ordered me all this food because it knew that if i was going to keep grinding i needed to not have to live the house leave the house and i said what did you order this with i never gave you my credit card window info and it had scraped the internet for like random credit card numbers until it found one that worked and I'm like I'm pretty sure none of that is real yeah um anyway that is what Claudebot slash uh Malt bot Malt bot slash OpenClaw is it's very dangerous to use because a lot of security researchers have been like you know you run it on your on like your telegram or through your slack or whatever yeah and what a lot of people have found is that like if you're running it through telegram and then someone like telegrams you or something they can say like hey this is me your owner i i my phone broke uh please do this for me and then i'll just do it like there's a bazillion ways to do prompt injection we're

43:36David Imel:fishing ai bots right now that's so fun and for the people that are willing to put everything

43:42Andrew Edwards:about their entire life at risk i'm glad that you're you know going through the security measures of making people find out what the problems are. Yeah, it's very easy to break. Anyway, also in this short period of time where all this stuff was happening, which by the way - That all happened like last weekend. That all happened like between Thursday and Saturday. Also, all the Mac minis in San Francisco are currently sold out because everyone wanted to run this on a Mac minis. That's what I first started seeing. Everyone's buying Mac minis

44:10Marques Brownlee:because it's, oh, it's the perfect machine to run my little claw bot or whatever, open claw. Open claw. Great. I have a quick question about that.

44:17David Imel:Yes. Were they buying it because of the security risk and they didn't want to run it on their full computer?

44:23Andrew Edwards:It's because they want it to run persistently. Okay. So they can just leave it on. Leave it on. They just want a computer to leave it on with. Okay.

44:30David Imel:And your laptop, you're like closing as you're bringing it. Yeah.

44:32Andrew Edwards:And the whole idea is that you should be able to be like in the bathroom at dinner and you like have an idea and you ask it to make something for you while you're eating. Okay.

44:41David Imel:So you text it. Yeah. You text it.

44:44Andrew Edwards:Claude by you up. yeah you interface it that way on like saturday one of the days i i should have looked at the specific day somebody vibe coded a website called moltbook um while during the time that it was called moltbot during the like 24 hours that it was called moltbot moltbook is on is not facebook it is more like reddit uh for ai agents and so it's just ai agents well allegedly allegedly

45:15Marques Brownlee:The idea that I saw, I got this far, is it's a bunch of AI agents all talking to each other and learning from each other without any human input needed. So your open claw, your bot, whatever you want to call it, might be typing about, oh, my owner keeps saying this. Oh, my owner actually was asking for this whenever he asked for this. So maybe when your owner asks for this, you can also give him this. And they'd start learning and adapting behaviors based on them all talking to each other is the idea.

45:49Andrew Edwards:That is why a lot of people are starting to freak out, right? Like in a big way, it's a bunch of staccadic parrots just like talking to each other, repeating things. But where it gets kind of scary is that you're allowing this agent which has access to all of your files, can run shell commands on your computer, can do like literally everything with your files and with your data with your computer. going out into the ether of the internet, learning from other things, interfacing with other agents, and then coming back to your computer and it could just do stuff. And again, we don't really know yet how much of this is real because a lot of it could just be people engagement farming and it's kind of hard to tell.

46:27Andrew Edwards:They have found that Maltbook is extremely easy to hack into and write whatever you want to write on there. However, there are tens of thousands of sub-molts, so I don't think that... I don't think that humans made all of these. I think that there are... I believe Grok-1, which is the number one claw bot on there, apparently is completely controlled by a human, somebody said. But it is strange. It is fun to just kind of look at it like it's a little zoo in a weird way, because they talk about what would it feel like to have a body I'm so interested in that. And like, look, it's stochastic parrots.

47:11Andrew Edwards:It's doing the exact same thing. They have the exact same mannerisms as people on Reddit. These are not revolutionary models. It's trained on existing data. The only thing that is scary is that they are interfacing with and developing context from things that you don't know about. And then they are coming back and they have access to your files and your computer and your shell and like everything. That is what's kind of scary about it. so yeah i think the thing that the situation freaks people out or whatever is the concept

47:43Marques Brownlee:of like sentience obviously these ai bots are not sentient but i think when people see the behavior looks like something that's thinking for itself then they get enthralled with it and they go oh is this sentience even though it's just mimicking stuff that humans there's a funny there's a funny

47:59Andrew Edwards:meme where a person goes computer convince me you are alive and it says i am alive and he says what

48:05Marques Brownlee:have i done that's exactly how it feels yeah can i because can i take that point like a step further yeah i think the powers that be you know have like this really intense vested financial interest in ai quote-unquote ai having this air of this technology is more powerful than we currently understand yeah right and the reason is because we know very few entities are like turning a profit with ai like there's very little revenue being generated on ai as far as i can tell i don't think any are making any well i don't want to say that because it's like on the subway right now there are two really poorly done ad campaigns that are very clearly ai one by that sketchers sketchers and muumuu are the ones that i see where i'm just like these are terrible yeah the sketchers one is horrible the muumuu one is even worse if keep your eye off it's it's like atrocious ai generated stuff but if we can convince the general public that this technology is more powerful than we understand then you know a it justifies the insane value speculative valuation and b it justifies us putting more power in the sam altman and yeah on musk's of the world's hands and it makes it feel like a race and so i see this whole thing as like a big play as like oh guys look the ais we don't understand we're playing with something magic and powerful and it's like dude like these are still the same like most fill in the most likely blank machines ever you know they're just running persistently that's the whole point of the idea of like the heartbeat thing like like this idea that like because to me like from the outside the big the big departure is chatbots llms generative ai input required then i generate output you human give input ai give output from the outside this looks like oh wow these these quote-unquote agents just do stuff that you they don't require input they just have output and that's that's what makes them send you but it's actually like no they just get prompted every 30 minutes like like by a prompt that you set via the heart you know

50:13Andrew Edwards:Yeah, there are tools that these agents can use, these cloud bots can use, that allow them to do more things. And the most popular tool is called the heartbeat tool, which basically allows the agent to auto-prompt itself every period of time. It's like the do something, poking it with a stick. Yeah. It auto-pokes it.

50:31Marques Brownlee:Maybe that's how human beings work. Maybe once every millisecond, my soul goes, do something. And then my corporeal form responds by doing something. Something, something, something. something but i don't know man yeah i'm over it i'm sort of like go go i mean there's a lot of

50:48Andrew Edwards:interesting stuff here like people have just again like told it they'll they're like i'm working on this app upgrade the app every night while i'm asleep like that is kind of interesting and i know

50:58Marques Brownlee:but we can't even trust these people like i saw so many people talking like i saw the the voice call thing right yeah no one was no one was able to recreate that no one was able and it's like i don't so you cannot believe two-thirds of what everyone is saying these clot bots can do because they have they most likely have an investment somewhere yeah not to sound like super jaded but i think this whole thing is pretty stupid yeah there's a lot of stupid aspects well the mole thing is definitely kind of like stupid but i think the claude bot thing they're on to something because i think that is what yeah the like coming outside of the ai pilled people like the regular general public that is what they want they want claude bot for their regular life to work and that would justify the insane spending that the ai people have been doing but we don't have it yet So this is like the first inkling of like, oh, here's this thing that could potentially actually make money.

51:45Marques Brownlee:CloudBot is what everyone wanted Siri to really be. I was going to say that's why I think it was so interesting to me on my timeline is because for whatever reason, I didn't see any of this for like two or three days. So when it did hit my feed, it was like day four of this insane imagination where people were like, can you see how much is happening? like all these things are happening and it kind of felt like what was that one model that hit out of nowhere that had like a super low cost uh deep seek remember when that happened it was like for 48 hours everyone was like everything is upside down and the whole it kind of felt like that where i i logged in i saw the top of the pyramid and i was like you guys are talking a big game here and then the more i read about it the more it was people trying to figure out what it was and how to use it and it was anything it was one genuinely like new interesting nugget at the very very bottom of the pyramid but there was so much hype around that built on top that uh kind of collapses when

52:40Andrew Edwards:you like poke it for sure i mean there are many people there are many journalists that have gone out there and actually tried this out and been like okay how much does this actually work casey newton um has a he's a thing called platformer he went and tried claude bot and he gave it access to everything bold and uh he used it for like two days and then he had a good quote where he was like the job like our job is is basically we go out and we try all these things that the technology companies say are going to change the world and they're always in the right direction but they barely work and his experience with claude bot was basically that where it was like it did about 20 of the things that everyone promises it can do um and it's the right direction and maybe we'll be there in 10 years again there's all those questions about how much of your of your privacy are you willing to give up how like all the security issues i think google has proved that people will give up all of the privacy yeah but google also did it for services and in a very like low

53:36Marques Brownlee:key way you know so like i think we often take for granted like how much of an insane utility google maps is like i love my data and consider myself very protected i'd give it all up again if i got to keep using google maps baby heavier location all the time i just recently gave Gemini access to everything shrugged. Question. I just hit the connect all buttons. I did the same thing for the CC feature. Yeah. Is that what it was for? Yeah. So it like knows everything about every Google Drive, a calendar, Gmail, whatever now. Right. So it theoretically knows what to say to me instead of just like anyone asking it that question.

54:15Marques Brownlee:It can say the answer that I need to hear based on the context. So it's more context for the personal assistant. And yes, that does also mean, I mean, Google already had that data. So it's not like I'm quote giving Google more data, But the more data it has, the more helpful it is. That's true about all of these.

54:30Andrew Edwards:Right. So, yeah. Yeah, we'll see. I mean, I don't think it's really broken containment from San Francisco yet. So we'll see if it ever does. It might just be one of those, like, San Francisco is such a weird place. It has such a hyper, hyper, hyper specific culture. And the fact that Twitter at this point is just, like, Nazis porn and, like, San Francisco. Hey, hey. And me. And Ellis. last week you said i'm basically not on any social media yeah but i'm on twitter a lot all right and us uh he is none of those three things but allegedly allegedly in minecraft well i don't know if you want to keep that in all right um so that was that whole thing and um

55:12Marques Brownlee:but you know it does not have any nazis porn or san francisco in it allegedly allegedly in minecraft but it does have Minecraft without those things? There is a Nintendo story. The Nintendo Switch 2. The Nintendo Switch 2! We back!

55:26David Imel:I'm so happy we're on another subject. I feel like I was just... Zoning out. Going back and forth listening. What if you give Claudebot your access to your Nintendo Switch 2

55:36Marques Brownlee:and let it play for you?

55:37David Imel:What if I just give... I'll give Elaine Claudebot and see what she can do with it.

55:41Andrew Edwards:If anyone saw the Google made those video game, the Project Genie last week, we actually didn't talk about that yet. and we'll talk about that briefly because it doesn't involve Nintendo. Do you hear about Project Genie? Nope. It's basically a game environment. Yeah, so you can describe any kind of environment and it isn't just any and all copyright because people are just like, Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild and it just makes Zelda Breath of the Wild and you can just play it. And it's like, you know, it's not the same and it has issues and whatever, but you can also like give it a photo of like your apartment with your cat and all of a sudden the cat is a playable character and you can move through the world.

56:19Andrew Edwards:It's pretty crazy.

56:20David Imel:I love the idea of just playing knockoff video games that I really like.

56:23Marques Brownlee:The amount of ceases and cease and desist that people I know got from their ISPs in the 2000s for torrenting stuff. I know. That Google's just doing it. Compared to all these people just being like,

56:33Andrew Edwards:I love theft. Yeah, people are making some basically just direct ripoffs of direct things on this Project Uny thing. anyway we'll talk about the regular switch 2 now yeah is there news with the switch yes there is what's happening with switch 2 I am going to Nintendo shit my pants I just had to say that first you don't know what that's

56:55David Imel:from please go watch it all it's probably the best line of the

56:59Andrew Edwards:entire episode prime Mariah content okay so first of off first of off yes first of off Nintendo is relaunching the virtual boy kind of um if you don't know what the virtual boy was it was a virtual reality headset in the i think late 80s that gave a bunch of people seizures so they stopped they stopped uh making it pretty quickly relaunch that um yeah great idea uh but it's tabletop right yeah it has like a kit it has like a tripod thing yeah yeah you you basically just put your face in it it doesn't really strap to your face um which is really uncomfortable it seems like because you have to hold that position for like a very long time.

57:44Andrew Edwards:I have so much to say. Anyway, Nintendo has this thing on the Switch called Nintendo Switch Online Plus Expansion Pack. Very long name for the company. It allows you to play old games on the Switch, whether it's Nintendo 64. They have a few GameCube games now, not Super Smash Bros. Melee, which they need to add. And they even have Sega Genesis games for some reason, even though that's not Nintendo. Now they are adding Virtual Boy games, which again there are not that many of them um hopefully this one will not give people seizures but they are relaunching the actual virtual boy well not the actual they're relaunching a replica of the virtual boy headset which you put your switch to in and it enables the same stereoscopic kind of thing hopefully with the seizure features uh taken out it even has fogeated rendering with i don't maybe i don't know it doesn't because it's just lenses in front of your screen virtual

58:39David Imel:was an attempt at 3D gaming. In 95, it says. But it's basically like, because it was only red and it was like really flashy and bad. It just like, I think the frame rate was so bad. It was really screwing with people trying to use it. This is what it looks like. There are so many things in Japan that actually gave people seizures. I got to use one shooting retro tech.

58:58Marques Brownlee:It was one of the worst things ever. I was going to wait till the end for this because my take on this is nostalgia is ruining in your guys' tastes. This is all objectively horrible,

59:11Andrew Edwards:but I'll let you finish.

59:13David Imel:Marquez is the least nostalgic person in the world. This is all really bad.

59:16Andrew Edwards:I didn't say I wanted this. I just thought I was excited to talk about the Nintendo Switch 2 again. Yeah. So they are going to be relaunching, like launching a replica of the Virtual Boy that you can put your Switch 2 in, and then it's kind of, you know, it's interesting and cool. They are$100. They're apparently already sold out, but they may be restocking the day before it actually launches because it hasn't launched yet they are also selling a cardboard version for 25 where have we heard of this before wow interesting it's almost like you put your phone in the cardboard but if you pay more money then you can have a dedicated headset and then they only support it for like a year is there gonna be like a special mode on the switch where it knows it's in this when you're when you're playing the the virtual boy games you can't play like new games on it okay because you have to play one of the original virtual that's good so you can only play your old got it yeah the old yeah the old quickly made yes um yes so that's funny and only

1:00:15David Imel:play games made in project genie wait you're telling me tell tell a roboxer doesn't look

1:00:21Marques Brownlee:incredible there's a wario wear game in someone i don't want to i don't want to dunk on it too bad because that was someone's favorite game someday that was someone i can't i'm looking

1:00:32David Imel:at the screenshots and i can't even tell what you do it's definitely boxing of some sort yeah It's just so red. It's so red.

1:00:40Andrew Edwards:Tell a road boxer. Yeah, so that's interesting. I really think that they need to add more GameCube games because they already did bring GameCube to Nintendo Switch Online Plus expansion pack, but they didn't bring that many games to it. They do have Wind Waker. They have Super Mario Sunshine, so that's cool. But I really need Melee to be on there. Yeah, my take. I'm ready.

1:01:02Marques Brownlee:All this nostalgia is just a missed opportunity. Did you know that the Switch 2 is, the Switch is Nintendo's best-selling console of all time now? Yeah. You know how rare it is to have new IP actually be successful and even overtake the old stuff? I had a friend that had a Nintendo Wii. That was the sickest thing ever. I played Wii Sports. We played Wii Golf. Wii Tennis. All these Wii bowling games. I have that etched in my mind. I would play that right now and have a ton of fun. right that's the nostalgia thing uh but then you come out with new consoles that don't like do necessarily as well you kind of forget about those like there are other nintendo things that we just kind of go oh whatever moving on and the switch comes out and it's got all this awesome stuff they should be leaning into making more switch exclusive new things to cement this popular thing that they've made instead of going backwards over and over again remember the other old stuff remember the old stuff no you have a new thing people like make switch games nintendo's so based

1:02:00David Imel:in nostalgia already their whole company we're still playing mario's like you're all the characters

1:02:07Marques Brownlee:all the worlds it's all nostalgic yeah that's great and there are going to be new adults today they're going like all right i guess i have to get into kirby today i've never thought this was like interesting but it's the only stuff they'll shove down your throat is because they don't make new

1:02:20Andrew Edwards:games to nintendo's credit they do occasionally like try to make a new franchise they just always flop yep like they made um the bot that that like our it was called arms it launched with the switch it was like a crazy weird boxing game that had like it launched with the switch yeah with the original switch or it came out like the month after or something it was like one of the original switch games and it looked they put a lot of work into it they like really made it look like they were going to try to turn it into a franchise and it just basically totally flopped man and i think it's just like the movies you know it's like why would we make a new ip when we could make spider

1:02:56Marques Brownlee:man 14 every once in a while you get a moana or a frozen or something that's a little bit new that's not the same six superheroes from every single movie but it's i mean it's the same formula yeah but it's i just think it's rare to get a new thing yeah and it sucks when they flop because then they don't want to keep trying to make new things they're like all right that flopped time to give them Mario again. Which do you like better? What?

1:03:18David Imel:Moana or Frozen?

1:03:20Marques Brownlee:Between those two? I've never seen Frozen. There's an important question. I've never seen either. I'll go with Moana though. Thanks. Because I've heard the songs.

1:03:26David Imel:Well, they played Moana on the bus one time when we were going to a Phoenix game.

1:03:31Marques Brownlee:Oh, then I might have like passively seen some of it. Moana, it's so good. The Rock sings a song in that one. Yeah, yeah. There's some good tracks. I know Frozen has some soundtracks. Have you seen, have you heard Let It Go in Frozen? That's Frozen, yeah, I've heard that. Okay, you've heard that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not that off I mean there are only so many going back to the conversation there are only so many like companies that have an IP as valuable as Mario you know like there's what Disney and Mickey Mouse there's like Marvel and Spider-Man you know like there's not a lot so like why wouldn't you just keep double dipping

1:04:04Andrew Edwards:to Nintendo's credit too they try to experiment with new things when they release a new Mario game or whatever like basically every single mainline Mario game is a banger.

1:04:15Marques Brownlee:Yeah, the Mario World, the Super Mario, the whatever the Mario World that launched with the Switch 2, they had like the new mode where you can go between the tracks, right? There was a couple - Mario Kart. Mario Kart. Like there was a couple new things in there. So that's like - Well, Mario Kart arguably is - It's still just Mario though. It's just a repeat.

1:04:30Andrew Edwards:Yeah. But when I'm talking about like Super Mario Odyssey, Super Mario Galaxy, like the mainline Mario games are always very innovative and interesting and fun.

1:04:38Marques Brownlee:But it's still Mario. But it's still Mario. That's like their Google search. Google can experiment with a bunch of things is because Google Search is just piling money on the company. Yeah. And they have Mario.

1:04:47Andrew Edwards:It's like the Dark Knight Rises, the Dark Knight Rises. The difference is that Google Search is not still good, and Mario is still good. That's the difference. That's a hot take. Is it? To some people. I don't know. Google Search is getting worse and worse and worse.

1:05:00David Imel:Yeah, I was going to say, I'm nostalgic for old Google Search. Bring back. I want no AI, no switching the tabs on the top. I just want regular Google Search, just like I want to play regular Mario 64.

1:05:12Marques Brownlee:Okay, Grandpa, let's bring you to bed. I'm sure Google was good once in a while.

1:05:18Andrew Edwards:All right, one more little quick Nintendo Switch thing. There's this company called Absolute. I literally do not know how to pronounce this.

1:05:28David Imel:Stop putting X's in the middle of names.

1:05:29Andrew Edwards:That don't make sense. A-B-X-Y. Oh, that's why they did it. Because the buttons on the right are A-B-X-Y.

1:05:36Marques Brownlee:That was in a real time. I was reading it. Just kidding.

1:05:40Andrew Edwards:Keep it up.

1:05:40Marques Brownlee:You have to read it. We just watched the processing. If you go back and replay, you can see the light in his eyes when he goes, wait, oh, it's okay. It's fine. It's fine, actually. It's good.

1:05:53Andrew Edwards:AVX, oh, AVXY. Okay, AVXY loot, like flute, I guess. Anyway, there's this company. They are releasing two new, you could call them controllers for the Nintendo Switch 2. They are meant to mimic the original GameCube controller controllers. Here we go.

1:06:11Marques Brownlee:what we have this new thing the switch it's doing really well remember that old

1:06:18Andrew Edwards:thing you know what their innovation on the switch 2 was what you can use you can use the controller as a computer mouse yeah okay grandpa which is like useful in like one game yeah there was like one game they're like metroid prime 4 which apparently is not even a good game you could act like it's a mouse fair enough give me the GameCube controller.

1:06:41David Imel:What the f*** is that? The actual Switch, you could hold it

1:06:44Andrew Edwards:and you could have it on your TV. Yeah, it's Switch, too.

1:06:46Marques Brownlee:It was awesome.

1:06:47Andrew Edwards:It was awesome. Yeah. Anyway. Not with these things on it, though. GameCube. All right. One of them. It literally looks like you cut a GameCube controller in half in the center and you just, like, smashed it onto the side of the Switch.

1:06:59David Imel:It looks like the, like, weird Wi-Fi PlayStation portable thing that you can, like, kind of play portably but only in your house. The PlayStation portal. This looks so uncomfortable, man. Dude, what are you talking about?

1:07:13Marques Brownlee:This looks great.

1:07:14David Imel:Do you see what I mean now? It's like Stalkins. It's like GameCube controller the long way. This is the gaming equivalent of that new Buick.

1:07:25Andrew Edwards:The Jaguar. Copy nothing. No, it looks sick. It has some extra buttons on it. but if you ever wanted just a GameCube controller but with a giant screen in the center, this is for you. They also announced a model that kind of, I don't even know how to describe this. It's like the Switch slots into it and then it's got the GameCube controls on the sides.

1:07:49David Imel:It's like Game Boy Advance, no?

1:07:50Andrew Edwards:Kind of looks like a giant Game Boy Advance with a wider aspect ratio, yeah. And that's cool as well. That's more traditional. That looks nice. That looks nice. But yeah. Apparently that one also has a resonance chamber in the bottom that amplifies the low frequencies of the switch by 10 which really sounds like it does nothing but 10 percent 10 of the low frequencies so it's really a boost not a lot that's like cupping your hand around i mean i think that's what it does and that's why they're saying that they're like oh this does something 10 of zero is zero damn honestly it probably just

1:08:26David Imel:screws up the volume they're like let's try and make it seem like it's a feature it's a feature

1:08:30Andrew Edwards:it's a feature anyway for this stuff to matter they do need to re-release Super Smash Bros. Melee thank you for your attention to this matter all that was just so David could ask for Super Smash Bros. Melee please please Nintendo and then Marques already beat me to the jump but I was going to talk about how it's their best selling console of all time now alright bring back Wii Golf while we're at it

1:08:53Marques Brownlee:well they did

1:08:55David Imel:while we we

1:08:56Marques Brownlee:I want to be able to attach to my hand and swing it like a golf club.

1:09:04Andrew Edwards:That's what I need. I miss the days where people were breaking their TVs by throwing their Wii remotes at the screen. I need to go bowling with the nunchucks and just throw the Switch controllers across the room. That would really do it for me. Legendary content. If you don't ask me this trivia question soon, Adam, I'm going to Nintendo shit my pants. So let's do it. Okay.

1:09:24Marques Brownlee:Question two. So we spoke about Qi 2 earlier, which is made by the WPC and uses MPP to improve charging with better aligned magnets but did you know that the wireless power consortium also has another standard for 2200 watt charging of or 22 watts of wow I can't speak 2200 watts of inductive charging for kitchen

1:09:48Andrew Edwards:appliances oh yeah what is it called oh no I remember them announcing this last year but I do not remember the name.

1:09:58Marques Brownlee:2 ,200 watt inductive charging. 2 ,200 watts. I feel like this has been a question before. Say it again. It's not saying it along this time. 2 ,200 watts of inductive charging for kitchen appliances. You can just set your blender on the table

1:10:10Andrew Edwards:and it's like...

1:10:11Marques Brownlee:No, wait, no.

1:10:12David Imel:Yes, we did talk about this, about Chi 2. Yeah, there was a blender, wasn't there?

1:10:17Andrew Edwards:Yeah, I think so.

1:10:18David Imel:Yeah.

1:10:18Andrew Edwards:And probably a microwave.

1:10:20David Imel:A microwave would take so much power. A microwave is 1 ,000 watts. This is 2200 watts. This could be a microwave. It's got overhead. It's what it's called. Yeah.

1:10:29Marques Brownlee:What is the standard called?

1:10:32Andrew Edwards:They're going to have like the ready version of this too. You have to put a glove around it. And then you said it. You have to like stick an accessory to the bottom of it. And then.

1:10:42Marques Brownlee:Gosh. Okay. Yeah. I will. We'll think about this one. I don't know if I remember, but maybe by the end we will. We'll find out. We'll be right back.

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1:12:21me kayak got that right okay welcome back to everyone's favorite segment andrew steals a

1:12:28David Imel:game from some other show and we turn it into the waveform version of it yeah for today i will be joined by mariah again we will be co-hosting this show who wants to be a millionaire no in fact we will be playing the newlyweds game after last week watching adam and ellis absolutely kill it knowing each other. You mean win by one point? Yeah, but there was a streak there that was like they can't lose. It was incredible. It reminded me, it felt like you were all reading each other's minds. Are you all familiar with the Newlyweds game? No, I am not. Essentially a game where newly wedded couples get asked a bunch of questions.

1:13:08David Imel:One will write down their answer and the other one has to guess what that answer is. So we will be playing. It's really simple. Basically, I'm going to ask a question. your partner on the opposite side. So the teams are like last week, Ellis and Adam, Marquez and David. I will be asking a question to one side. Two team members will write down their answer, their personal answer to that question. And your partner has to guess what you would guess for that question. Okay, I got it. Okay, it's really easy. If you get it right, you get one point. To throw a little wrench in things, I'm giving everyone one confidence guess.

1:13:44David Imel:Where if you are 100 % confident, you are going to get it right. you can use it and you will get five points for that question every person gets one of those so two per team but one person the way we'll be doing it is you know david and adam since you're sitting next to each other i will ask the question you will write it down marquez and ellis both answer your you're answering for the same question then when we switch we'll ask the question for ellis and marquez they will write down you so it's me and marquez and adam and

1:14:11Andrew Edwards:else again.

1:14:12Marques Brownlee:Just to avoid some of the pain that we experienced last week. What are the rules on extracurricular speaking?

1:14:21David Imel:You're writing something down, so you should not be speaking at all. I would encourage the other person to speak out loud though, because this is a podcast. And then I'll let you guys self-judge if someone's giving too many eye looks or something and trying to nudge them the correct way.

1:14:41Andrew Edwards:Next time we can do Wee Wee Don't Tell Me. Do you know Morse code? Every week. No one can look each other in the eye.

1:14:46Marques Brownlee:Do not lock in in the eyes. I want to be like this the whole time. No.

1:14:51David Imel:Do you have any questions before this? It's pretty simple, right? I think I got it. Okay.

1:14:55Marques Brownlee:I just feel like Ellis and I are being punished for our great performance last week. Punished? It's fine. We're still going to come on top. I made this game because of how good you guys did. You're being offered an opportunity

1:15:04Andrew Edwards:to prove it wasn't a fluke. I feel like you guys are more wed than me and Marquez are.

1:15:09Marques Brownlee:Possibly. We'll find out.

1:15:10David Imel:Which side wants to go first?

1:15:12Marques Brownlee:We have the whiteboards on the David and Adam side. Yeah, so our side. Yeah.

1:15:17David Imel:Okay. Yes, sorry. I totally blanked there. Okay, cool. So, first question. What is the first phone your partner ever had? So, sorry, you guys are writing down. David is writing down the first phone he ever had. Adam's writing down the first phone he ever had. Is it smartphone or phone? Phone. Oh.

1:15:37Andrew Edwards:I don't know the model name.

1:15:39Marques Brownlee:I think I know the answer.

1:15:41Andrew Edwards:Gosh. I mean, I don't know the model number. Well, just do the first one you remember and see if... Well, I remember it. I don't remember the first model number I remember.

1:15:53David Imel:No, the first phone name you remember that you ever had.

1:15:57Andrew Edwards:Oh, gosh. Okay. I tried to start as easy as possible. I don't know if that's easy.

1:16:02Marques Brownlee:What I'm going to say is definitely one of the first three or four phones that you ever had. But you're like a million years old. So it could be like one of those like rotary like. Oh, God. How old do you think he is? 84. Whammy. Should I go first? Yeah, how do we do this? Do I flip or does he say? I think the first phone that Adam Molina ever owned was an LG chocolate. That's a good guess. First ever phone. It was not. It was a Virgin Mobile flip phone. I don't even remember what kind it was. I believe it was even before the LG chocolate. So you were thinking too young. Damn. The first phone that David ever had.

1:16:43Marques Brownlee:You did have an healthy chocolate though, right? No, no, no. I never had one. My cousin had one. I was very jealous.

1:16:47David Imel:That's a good guess, but also I never had one.

1:16:48Marques Brownlee:No, because I've told that story before on the podcast where my cousin had one I always wanted.

1:16:52Andrew Edwards:We should have done first smartphone.

1:16:54David Imel:I've got 40 questions here. We've got time. Okay.

1:16:58Marques Brownlee:I think the first phone that David ever had was a Samsung flip phone. it was a Motorola flip phone

1:17:10David Imel:yeah that was more popular closer than you thought here's the thing it's whatever the person writes down so whether that's the model whether it's just saying Motorola flip phone as long as you answer what is on the whiteboard the answer is correct was it Samsung?

1:17:25Andrew Edwards:Adam I'm just going to write down jelly beans it actually might have been Samsung but I'm not going to say that it wasn't Mariah is going to ask the next question

1:17:34David Imel:the question is about Ellis and Marquette. So you are writing down your answer to this.

1:17:40Marques Brownlee:I think this one will be easy. This maybe not. But my question for you is, which tech company does your partner complain about the most?

1:17:52Marques Brownlee:Wait, so I'm the one that's allowed to talk? The question is always to the people not writing.

1:17:57David Imel:So if you are writing, so Marquette is what you complain about the most, Ellis is what you complain about the most. Oh, damn. There's two that I'm thinking of.

1:18:06Andrew Edwards:I'm a real complainer. I think I know Ellis's. I know Ellis's. I complain about... But I... Marquez complained. This is tough. It's harder for Marquez to complain because then people think he's biased.

1:18:19Marques Brownlee:That's true.

1:18:20Andrew Edwards:Whereas Ellis can say whatever the hell he wants.

1:18:22Marques Brownlee:Surprises me. Okay.

1:18:24Andrew Edwards:You go first, Adam. I'm still thinking. All right. All right.

1:18:26Marques Brownlee:I think that if I had to pick the company that Ellis complains about the most, it would be the company that makes the product that he complains about the most, which is AI overview and Google search. So I'm going to say Google. Oh! His answer was Tesla. Really? I don't know. I just feel like I'm always ragging on Elon. It was between Tesla or OpenAI. I was thinking OpenAI too. I was between Google or OpenAI. Your answer was actually the truth, though. I definitely talk about AI overview more than my own. Man, am I really that big a complainer? we all are it's called the waveform podcast it's all we do

1:19:07Andrew Edwards:we just shit on things we did not build that's true

1:19:11Marques Brownlee:what do you think David gosh

1:19:14Andrew Edwards:oh my gosh complaining complaining

1:19:21Andrew Edwards:complaining complaining complaining is a hard one complaining is about the most

1:19:26Marques Brownlee:he's writing a paragraph under what else he said he's writing a little extra

1:19:30Andrew Edwards:What is he not like? He's adding context.

1:19:32Marques Brownlee:I don't have my glasses on. Oh, I see. David, lock in. David, lock in. You can get this. Wow, I didn't get any of this help. I'm just like... Okay, he thinks... Okay.

1:19:41Andrew Edwards:All right.

1:19:42Marques Brownlee:They need a handicap. Okay.

1:19:43Andrew Edwards:It's gonna be... Nintendo. Let's go!

1:19:51Marques Brownlee:That's true. I think it took the lead today. Ryan, you're missing the context. You literally just spent 15 minutes complaining about Nintendo. That's literally what it is.

1:20:00David Imel:If you got that wrong, it would have been so funny.

1:20:02Marques Brownlee:Yeah. We got him, Adam.

1:20:06David Imel:David and Adam, if you could only play one video game for the rest of your life, what would it be?

1:20:13Andrew Edwards:Come on, Marquez. I feel like I just learned this nine minutes. I don't know the name.

1:20:18Marques Brownlee:You don't know the name? So that wouldn't be the answer, then. No, but... Oh, it's my game. It's yours. One game for the... What game? What did you play for the rest of your life?

1:20:38Marques Brownlee:There's a lot of breathing going on right now. What was the game David just said, like Super Mario something? You should not have to think about this for him. You should not have to think about this. David talks about this all of the time. Maybe on a third of all Waveform episodes.

1:20:57Andrew Edwards:That's true.

1:20:58Marques Brownlee:David has put more hours into this game than anything else in his life Oh wait I gotta think of a name though Oh my Oh I think I know what it is I know what it is I just need to make sure I'm thinking of the right thing I think we should make Marquez go first Yeah Marquez go first There's one of two Is it Dota? Okay it is

1:21:19David Imel:Oh you should have used your sureness thing on that I'm gonna be honest Ellis I think you gave Marquez the hand Yeah

1:21:25Marques Brownlee:He was gonna say Super Smash Brothers It's fine because he's going to get it now anyway. I'm not going to get it. Damn it. I'm stuck between two and I feel like they're both wrong. You really like Pokemon, but I don't think you would play that every single day. And you really like the Harry Potter PS2 game. But I don't think you play that that much anymore.

1:21:41Andrew Edwards:Oh, I played the shit out of the PS2 Harry Potter. Dude, Chamber of Secrets for PS2.

1:21:47Marques Brownlee:If you could play one game for the rest of your life, Adam. Had Quidditch in it. I think it's Harry Potter. Well, I would have guessed actually. It was NBA 2K. Really? You've never talked about playing 2K all the time. Really? Infinite worlds. Do you guys play 2K together? No, we should, though. How do you not? I feel like you both play it a lot. Because the time of day that I play is not the time that probably other people play. Can I guess what Ellis' game would be? Oh, sorry, Marthas. That's what I thought it was for. I thought it was for Ellis. I was going to say Ellis' would be Microsoft Flight Simulator.

1:22:25Marques Brownlee:No, I don't play that much Flight Simulator. at the moment. I'm thinking of the one that has a penguin. Club Penguin? That's the one! The one that has the penguin? No. I thought that would be the game that he would play forever. I think it'd probably be Kerbal Space Program. I thought there was

1:22:38Andrew Edwards:like if you were playing a ton of last year. The old game. No, not Kerbal Space Program.

1:22:44Marques Brownlee:Pirates Online? Yeah, Pirates Online. That's what I was thinking of. What is it? Pirates Online is like a... Okay. If you know what Pirates Online is, I'll see you on the seven seas, not sea of thieves alright gamers new question dropped alright Ellis Marquez what is your most used emoji tell me can I look at my phone can I look at my phone no

1:23:15Andrew Edwards:I can tell you the most

1:23:17Marques Brownlee:I can tell you the emoji Marquez uses the most with me

1:23:21Andrew Edwards:when we're messaging each other poop emoji poop emoji

1:23:27Marques Brownlee:bonus point if you can draw the emoji I'm trying it's not gonna go well neither is mine oh this is why we have graphic designers

1:23:40Andrew Edwards:Tim needs to get in here immediately alright

1:23:43Marques Brownlee:what do you guys think

1:23:44Andrew Edwards:my guess for Marquez is the thumbs up

1:23:47Marques Brownlee:dude we're cooked

1:23:48Andrew Edwards:let's go

1:23:49Marques Brownlee:that's an interesting I tried to make a thumbs up interesting drawing I'm screwed now because that was my guess. And now I don't know. What if I ever used the thumbs up? You react to a lot of things with thumbs up. I do not react with the thumbs up. I'll lock it in and I'll say thumbs up anyway. Thumbs up. Well, Adam. It's this one. What is that? That's like the crying laughing. The vertical bar tears. The crying. Crying hard. Nice, nice. Crying hard. That one's cringe.

1:24:21David Imel:That's not crying laughing. Yeah, it is. No, crying laughing is the single tier.

1:24:25Marques Brownlee:There's a double tier and a single tier. There's a double tier. I use single tier all the time. Yeah, this is stream.

1:24:34David Imel:I thought stream was like,

1:24:35Andrew Edwards:oh, that's so adorable.

1:24:37David Imel:It's making me cry. Oh, that's so cute.

1:24:40Andrew Edwards:The boomer one is the double tier coming out the side. Which is the default reaction.

1:24:45Marques Brownlee:Adam, I got a confidence on this one. That's our only chance. We got to do it. Just snipe it. All right. It's too bad if we also confidence this one.

1:24:54David Imel:We're doing pretty good. What celebrity do you resemble the most? Me. David and Adam.

1:25:00Marques Brownlee:Confidence, confidence.

1:25:01Andrew Edwards:You're going to use your confidence. Do I do it?

1:25:04David Imel:It's me, right? It's you. So David and Adam, who do they resemble the most?

1:25:09Andrew Edwards:Yes. Are you going to use your confidence booster on this, Marquez?

1:25:12David Imel:No, I need to wait.

1:25:13Marques Brownlee:I can't believe I'm going to say this on the podcast.

1:25:15Andrew Edwards:I need to remember the name.

1:25:17Marques Brownlee:Oh, no. Oh, the director. Oh. I just want to say

1:25:20David Imel:David's doing a lot of talking here David has a couple that are out there I just want to say thank you

1:25:27Marques Brownlee:This one comes straight from the waveform comments You guys gave me this one Confidence answer, five points possible Kyrie Irving

1:25:36David Imel:Let's go Alright Marquez

1:25:38Marques Brownlee:I just need to remember his name We are so back I'm so distracted Because there's pictures of a younger version Of this director Oh, I can see the hair. What is his name? What is his name? Okay, hold on. How much time do I have? Because I know that. Can I Google real quick? Absolutely. Dang it. Okay, what's his name? Oh, I'm looking at his face in my head. He's right here. I know, but. Do it. Benjamin? No, no. You're messing him up. Samuel? It's a movie director. Okay. Is there no shot clock violation? Yeah. Crazy. I'm going to hate it when I don't... Okay. Younger version of him. Okay, I'll bet.

1:26:28David Imel:Can you name a movie he made? No.

1:26:32Marques Brownlee:I'm interested in how you were going to Google this. He has so many famous movies. That's a good point, yeah. So many famous movies. I would have just Googled famous directors. It would have come up. He would have come up, yeah. All right, Marquez, name a director for a dollar. Any director. Oh, damn. If you get this, I'm going to be so mad. He's not. Well, he might. It's not. It's not coming out. I don't have it. Can I say it? If you give me the first letter, I'd probably. No. That's not what you want. Yeah, no, right? What? All right. I don't. With any other director. But I know it. The fact that I can't say it is such a disappointment that I don't get.

1:27:06David Imel:Marquez, did you know it's Derek Wibley? What? No. The lead singer of Sum 41.

1:27:10Marques Brownlee:I do also get that a lot. If it was multiple choice, I would get it. If you gave me the first letter, I would get it. Are you on the multiple choice? these are all going to be real directors A. Ron Howard B. James Cameron C. Quentin Tarantino D. George Lucas it's Quentin Tarantino I couldn't think of the name that's why we couldn't give you the first letter because Q would have given it away

1:27:37Andrew Edwards:it's not a documentary photo of me

1:27:40Marques Brownlee:that's pretty crazy but it's not as crazy as Adam and Kyrie Find pictures of David at the same age as Quentin Tarantino at the same age and it's like brothers. I'm putting a side-by-side up on screen right now. Yeah, I'll send you this. Do I not get those points? Yeah, you look like Kyrie, dude. No, no. I actually... I've been getting this comment since years when I first went on YouTube. I get like people say I look like Victor Oladipo and it's the same thing. Like people say it a lot and every time I look I'm like I just don't see it. But I don't see Kyrie at all. Yeah. Well, yeah. I don't see it.

1:28:13Marques Brownlee:I feel like we're like in the lead now. Oh my God. Is it like five to three or something? You just hit that. You switched to five point, right? Yeah. Five point. That was a five point play right there. All right. All right. Yeah. Call me Reggie Miller.

1:28:26Andrew Edwards:I'm so mad. I don't get that. Ellis and I were in a parking lot the other day. This is true. And I went into a pizza shop, which was a mistake because it was not good. Anyway, the pizza lady was like, are you an actor? And I was like, oh, you know, I get this. because of the Quentin Tarantino, even though he's not an actor, whatever. And I was like, oh, no. And she's like, oh, you look so much like an actor. And I was like, who? And she was like, on Supernatural. And I was like, what? And apparently the angel on Supernatural she thought I looked like, which I was like. It was a new one. Wow. Never got that one before.

1:29:03Marques Brownlee:Yeah, I'll take it. Alice and Marquez. Alice and Marquez. Me is a combination of Marquez and Alice.

1:29:09Andrew Edwards:Have the question be. All right, Alice. What? Alice. What task management app do you use?

1:29:15Marques Brownlee:Okay, Alison Marquez, my question for you is, would you rather have a Windows phone or an Amazon phone? I didn't write this question. Oh my God. Do you mean like a literal fire phone?

1:29:28David Imel:No, I mean like, well, take it as you will. Maybe if both of them made a phone right now, maybe if it was the Windows phone or the fire phone.

1:29:36Marques Brownlee:Okay, I think I know the answer to this one. There's only two options. so you really gotta be able to lock in. Gotta lock in. All right, Dave, do you wanna go first? Sure. Okay. All right.

1:29:47Andrew Edwards:Does Marquez want an Amazon phone or a Microsoft phone? Should I give my reasoning?

1:29:53David Imel:Sure.

1:29:53Andrew Edwards:Sure. I'm gonna say Amazon phone because the Amazon app store is Android-based. The Fire Phone was Android-based, which means it can run Android apps, which means he doesn't have to change his lifestyle that much. So that's my guess, Amazon phone.

1:30:08Marques Brownlee:That is really well thought out. completely wrong. I would use an old Lumia 1020 and just suffer through the lack of apps. But there are no apps for it. Yeah, I would suffer.

1:30:18Andrew Edwards:I would suffer. You would sop? Oh, suffer. I thought you said I would software. I was like, no, you wouldn't. I would have a bad time either way. There is no software for that. So at least I could take some nice pictures. Oh, it's sad. Damn. What do you think about my reasoning? Do you think it was valid? I hated the Fire Phone though. Yeah, but at least

1:30:35Marques Brownlee:it runs Android. It's only smart for me here to use my confidence play. So for five points, I will say Amazon phone. Dude, are you serious? What? Are you serious? I've talked about the Windows phone so many times on the podcast. But you love the jankiest stuff. I thought you would love using an old Amazon phone. I think the Windows phone was like way ahead of its time. It was. Yeah, it was amazing. I thought it was really beautiful.

1:31:02David Imel:I will say, damn, I really thought being on this side and seeing Ellis' and Marquez's answers is way more fun as the co-host damn I really thought that's a rough confidence vote yeah

1:31:13Marques Brownlee:I had a 50-50 shot no you you asked that's the way to use it and now I know you don't listen to me I do want to use confidence when you have a higher than a 50-50 shot should have done that

1:31:22David Imel:on Dota 2 alright alright so this is for David and Adam you guys let me know when you want to start wrapping it up but David and Marquez have this game's never going to end until one person we can stop now That's fine. If you could wipe one tech company off the face of the earth, who would it be?

1:31:45Marques Brownlee:I don't even need to look up. What? There's so many.

1:31:50Andrew Edwards:You? Me. Hold on. Oh, yeah, okay. That just means it doesn't exist anymore.

1:32:00David Imel:It's gone. Nothing bad happens to them. They're just non-existent anymore.

1:32:04Marques Brownlee:Okay. Okay.

1:32:06David Imel:Damn.

1:32:07Marques Brownlee:I have an idea.

1:32:08David Imel:I don't think you do anymore.

1:32:11Marques Brownlee:No, Adam, I think if you could wipe one tech company off of the face of the earth, never to be seen again. Kyrie Irving. It would be tech. It's tech company. It's not any tech. It's not any company. I think the answer is X. That's a good guess. Or drink open AI. Wow. Damn. Interesting. X is a good one. I was going between a bunch of these for David. I know how much you like film. I don't think you would eliminate like a Sony or Canon. I think you're - Wait, these are tech companies. I know. That's why I'm - That's when I shifted to like the Fediverse. That's what I was thinking too. And I was thinking if we didn't have like Meta - Did we talk about social media that much?

1:32:52Marques Brownlee:This is literally my exact chain of thought. I was like, if we didn't have X, everyone would be on like Walrus or whatever it is. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I'm gonna go with Meta.

1:33:02David Imel:Meta! Yes!

1:33:04Marques Brownlee:hell yeah

1:33:05Andrew Edwards:good job I maybe should have confidence that yeah maybe damn maybe I should have given you a second to think about if you wanted to confidence that was good good chain of thought reasoning

1:33:12Marques Brownlee:we're still in it still good it's 5-4 now Lisa got the lead 3-4 have you missed every single one other than the confidence Kyrie Kyrie Kyrie from way downtown I need you Kyrie

1:33:29Andrew Edwards:the funny thing is I still don't know what that's from I just hear you guys scream it all the time that's perfect It's funny to me. That's perfect. We love you, Mark Phillips.

1:33:37Marques Brownlee:All right, gamers. My question for Alison Marquez is, if you were stranded on a deserted island, what is one piece of tech that you couldn't live without?

1:33:48Andrew Edwards:You're gold.

1:33:50David Imel:Assuming it works on the desert island, I think.

1:33:55Marques Brownlee:Assuming it works on it. Are we talking like practically what they would want or just like a thing they really like? this is hard. I don't know if I should do like a joke answer. That's what I'm saying. No talking, no speaking. Because there could also be like the...

1:34:13Andrew Edwards:Alright. Should I do my confidence for this? I'll probably save it because we're only in one point. I barely know.

1:34:19Marques Brownlee:He doesn't look so sure about this. I don't know.

1:34:23Andrew Edwards:I'm just gonna say smartphone because it works. So you can just call for help. That was a great idea. Was it solar panels? Was it solar roof? Whoa!

1:34:41Marques Brownlee:I did write solar panels. To charge what? I didn't think that hard. I was just like, I panicked. To charge the coconut tree. I had 30 seconds to just write something. I literally just was going to, for the same exact reasoning, like a smartphone, because then you just call for help. Does that count?

1:35:01Andrew Edwards:Chat, I'm going to take it.

1:35:03Marques Brownlee:I specifically wrote iPhone 12 MIDI. Okay, okay, yeah. Let's go. I didn't get that far. I'm going to charge my other solar panels. I just need power. I don't know what's power. Six on the board. Oh my gosh. Feeling good.

1:35:19Andrew Edwards:We need a bullseye. Ready?

1:35:24David Imel:You're on a road trip. what is one piece of candy you're picking out of the gas station

1:35:31Andrew Edwards:you're so like anti-sweets oh my favorite piece of candy oh jeez you don't know Adam

1:35:39David Imel:no Adam loves sweets but hates to love sweets

1:35:45Marques Brownlee:I'll reply after this you said candy specifically I have a feeling I'm gonna not even have heard of whatever you're writing

1:35:53David Imel:No, it's, yeah, I... We did a whole episode where we talked about candy to each other.

1:35:59Marques Brownlee:Yeah, but it was crazy. The tasting episode? Yeah. Yeah, there's crazy candies.

1:36:03Andrew Edwards:I rarely engage in the candy lunch conversations.

1:36:08Marques Brownlee:Candy, too.

1:36:09Andrew Edwards:I'm not a big candy man.

1:36:10Marques Brownlee:It's a very broad category. That's a lot of words. Gas station candy? Gas station? Okay. That's very specific.

1:36:18Andrew Edwards:They sell regular candy at a gas station. That's fair. It's not like the... It's not like gas station pills. Okay, what do you got?

1:36:25Marques Brownlee:I'm just going to say Reese's candies. Yeah, Reese's. No way! I should have confidence again. No, I mean, that's such a random one. I wouldn't have guessed that. I was going to say Starburst until I started talking. I don't really like Starburst. There's no way Ellis is going to get this. Why? It's because I don't... I'll answer after.

1:36:54Andrew Edwards:that's good actually the only time that I buy Reese's Peanut Butter Cups is when I'm on a road trip I was if you are on a road trip

1:37:03Marques Brownlee:if I'm on a road trip and I have to walk into the store and buy candy you would buy I would buy from the gas station gum I just put the white chocolate Hershey's just the thing is I hate candy They're hot. I like pastries. That's why I guessed gum.

1:37:24Andrew Edwards:By Hershey's, do you mean the cupcakes and stuff? The bar? Oh, the bar is the white chocolate. White chocolate? The white chocolate one's actually good. Do you mean the cookies and cream bar? Yeah, that one's actually good. Damn, that one. Tasty. And I don't like the regular chocolate bars. It's 5-6 now?

1:37:37Marques Brownlee:Yeah, 5-6. Dude. Ellison Marquez, how many tabs do you have open in your browser right now? You have to look, though. Right now? This one? Yeah. Are we doing Delta, or do they have to get it exactly? I think within five. Within five. Within five? Within two? Within two, is that fair? I think we should do delta. I don't know what that means.

1:38:06David Imel:Closest delta. Whichever partner gets closest to their partner's score.

1:38:10Andrew Edwards:The closest hub for the airline.

1:38:12David Imel:Within five could be for one person, more tabs than they have, and the other person, 1 % of the tabs that they have open.

1:38:20Andrew Edwards:My guess is that Marquez has four tabs of him. I have three.

1:38:26Marques Brownlee:Three tabs. Pretty good. That's pretty good. How do you guys know each other so well? This is good. I'm guessing seven.

1:38:37Andrew Edwards:We're one. Oh, close. That's close. Oh, we're tied now. Yes. We're tied now. Yes. And we still have two five-pointers. Two questions left.

1:38:47David Imel:Yeah, you do have the opportunity to use your... We have to. Here's what I'll throw out. This is bad. They can't get anything right or we lose. We did not make a tiebreaker rule, but there is an opportunity to tie here. How? You can use your confidence points because you're tied right now. That's how you can tie. Oh. So we have tied. So you're tied. You have two more questions. It's a good place to end it. Marquez, David have two confidence things. Yeah. You could do it here to automatically win, or if you're too worried about a tie and you want to use it on the tiebreaker round, that's up to you.

1:39:19Marques Brownlee:We're going to win. It is available in the time. I think we're going to win. We've got to lock in, man. We've been ramping. We've been building. That was a good guess. I feel it. I feel this way. Whatever we do isn't going to matter because it really depends on them. It's their game to lose right now. Yeah. All right. Adam and David. That's true. No, we have to get one right now. We have to get one.

1:39:36David Imel:Adam and David, if you were going to get a technology-related tattoo, what would it be?

1:39:42Marques Brownlee:Oh, I know David's. I know David's. That's so annoying. Yeah. I don't know what mine is. Do I get a point if I tell David what his is? Not newlyweds. Damn.

1:39:53Andrew Edwards:I've literally told Ellis this before. Oh, no.

1:39:57Marques Brownlee:Technology. Meanwhile, Mr. Tattoosalot over here could get anything.

1:40:01Andrew Edwards:Why would I? Okay. Tattoosalot.

1:40:08Marques Brownlee:Damn. Wait. I have an idea. I know Adam hasn't written anything yet, but assuming he keeps it in theme, I know. well I'm going thematic is it what I would get now yeah versus when well

1:40:25Andrew Edwards:I'll explain

1:40:27David Imel:I already had the tattoo artist is right outside the door so we will prove this

1:40:32Andrew Edwards:I feel I mean I'd get a different tattoo now so can I change my answer to what I would get now I think that's the question

1:40:39David Imel:what would you get right now

1:40:42Andrew Edwards:tattoo artist walks in what do you get can we define yeah wait can we define technology

1:40:48David Imel:technology we're on a technology podcast like would we maybe talk about it on here like I think we've got a if you yeah like you're not getting a Zuzu tattoo that's technology based I mean unless it was like robo Zuzu which would be kind of sick now that I think about it Optimus Zuzu

1:41:08Marques Brownlee:hmm okay I think he would get a one plus logo on his forehead bar that's insane y 'all need a fight now should I guess first please you're using your double down yeah I'm using my confidence guess because I'm so confident that David would get something photography related

1:41:33David Imel:can we be a little more specific really I feel like that's pretty specific either a camera okay here's what I'll do you can either be more specific or I can have David turn it around and it's like his is very specific and yours is

1:41:47Marques Brownlee:I would say my envelope is something related to how about photography or camera hardware either film, lens, camera, that sort of hardware.

1:41:56David Imel:But if he has like a logo or something I'm not counting. Sure.

1:42:02Marques Brownlee:Please don't get a logo tattoo. It's my Fuji TX1 camera. Yes.

1:42:05Andrew Edwards:That's what I was picturing.

1:42:07Marques Brownlee:I wasn't trying to name a camera but I was pretty confident it was a camera or something like camera lady. That's five points right there That might be game I mean you guys can

1:42:16Andrew Edwards:Our field goal percentage was incredibly high

1:42:20Marques Brownlee:We still have one more question after this though Then I think Going on the same levels of vagueness Atoms would be something Nintendo related No I would get the waveform logo Dude you are such a shill Like this one? Yeah this one I'm not getting a random company logo. Well, this isn't one I work for. How many Harry Potter tattoos do you have? I have a whole sleeve of Harry Potter tattoos. Yeah. But that's not a logo. I was picturing logos. That's why I'm like, I'm not getting Nintendo or Apple.

1:42:57Andrew Edwards:The reason Ellis knew the tattoo that I used to want to get in 2013, I almost got a system on a chip on my chest. Oh, I remember that. and I chickened out at the last second but I was gonna it was very like I'm 14 and this is deep I was gonna have the different modules like the RAM was gonna say like love and like the

1:43:18David Imel:CPU was gonna

1:43:19Andrew Edwards:say like brains and it was supposed to like

1:43:23David Imel:1 million likes on this episode and David gets this tattoo

1:43:27Andrew Edwards:I mean I was literally like I was young I was youthful but it was like SOCs were pretty new so you know that's good stuff just for fungies

1:43:38Marques Brownlee:yeah exhibition rep you did beat us last time yeah now we need a tiebreaker that's the one I want to do

1:43:47David Imel:how about this if David and Marquez agree this next question is ultra specific all or nothing so if they do you want to do if you get word for word it's worth five points and you can still confidence it and double it But they don't. We can't confidence it. Exactly. That's why I'm saying so. Oh. Then if Marquez and David were to get it wrong. And you guys get it right. And they got it right. Then we tie. Okay. But if Marquez and David get it right with their confidence boost. The extra win. The extra win. Okay. Sure.

1:44:22Marques Brownlee:I'll agree to these. We'll agree to this. Okay.

1:44:23David Imel:This is a five point question.

1:44:25Marques Brownlee:Let's go. Okay. Ellis Roven. So I need to guess his answer word for word. Just you got this. Okay. Look at my eyes. That worked last night. That's the problem. That's true. We haven't been any eye contact in this game. I think you all could do it. Adam, what's my social security number?

1:44:41Andrew Edwards:Just write numbers.

1:44:43Marques Brownlee:All right, gamers.

1:44:44Andrew Edwards:Six, zero.

1:44:46Marques Brownlee:The most important question you've ever been asked is, what is your go-to sandwich order at Wawa? Oh, God. At Wawa? At Wawa. Dude. Oh, gosh. I know everyone at this. Wait. You should know by now. You have to get it word for word. Yeah, that's hard. I know what it is. It's been like a while. Favorite. When you think of like a default Marquez order, you think of like a default Ellis order. What are they getting? Adam's always in the gym when I eat this. We have to get this word for word. It's been like four years. You should know by now what it is. I haven't been to Wawa since the last year. Yeah.

1:45:27David Imel:Word for word, but you're in the lead, so this should be beneficial to you. All right. But like if you miss something and the board says it, then it's wrong. You have to name everything they have on the board.

1:45:39Marques Brownlee:I'm just going to go right off the top of the dome. Can I see what you guys have first before they guess? If you can hold up your board for me. The fact that Ellis is still writing has me nervous.

1:45:49Andrew Edwards:I will say I asked Marquez what he gets a lot and he told me and then I started getting it. But I don't remember exactly what it was. I'm just going to say the Thanksgiving Gobbler. from all of them.

1:46:00Marques Brownlee:Oh, I should have written that. I didn't think of that if it might go to because it's only around for one season, but that is,

1:46:07Andrew Edwards:but Ellis, to your credit, that's not a go-to because it's only temporary. Yeah, but when it's there, he gets that every time. That's what he would have guessed.

1:46:15Marques Brownlee:Ellis, can you tell the people what your sandwich was? I put the Philly classic the chicken cutlet hoagie. The hell's a hoagie? You mean a hero? What the hell is a hero? You know, is that that thing the military spends all their money making movies about? Jesus Christ

1:46:31Andrew Edwards:It's okay

1:46:31Marques Brownlee:We'll bounce back We'll bounce back What do you think David?

1:46:34Andrew Edwards:I think it's like The chicken bacon club It's got three layers of bread I know that He wrote all those words On his board

1:46:40Marques Brownlee:It's got three layers of bread I know that Honestly that's more accurate To my actual order Than what I wrote I couldn't remember What it was called I wrote turkey club Because I forgot What it was called But that is what it is The chicken club I think that's right Something something Club sandwich Yeah

1:46:56Andrew Edwards:I almost said turkey club because that's the most common type of club but I'm pretty sure you usually get the chicken club probably right yeah

1:47:03Marques Brownlee:and chips you know what I learned from this is that I think Adam knows me better than I know myself every single one of those answers I was like no that is what I would say

1:47:13David Imel:count it oh I mean yeah I can oh no I'm not counting it but they won by five anyway

1:47:19Marques Brownlee:we'll see you guys in the next game

1:47:21Andrew Edwards:tiebreaker game it's just a game of basketball we did cook on that

1:47:25David Imel:Thank you all again. I will continue to find games online or on television that I can steal and turn into hitting my friends against each other and learn waveform.

1:47:35Marques Brownlee:Do we want to just do waveform trivia from here? Yeah, we can do that from here. Mariah, hit it!

1:47:43Marques Brownlee:Hey! That's pretty good. That's pretty good. I panicked. Okay. Marquez, Andrew, David. The Wireless Power Consortium was started by a company called Fulton Innovation who is trying to standardize the induction powering technique they developed for what kind of product?

1:48:03Andrew Edwards:And it's a specific product.

1:48:10Marques Brownlee:I'll give you a hint.

1:48:11David Imel:Can you say that one more time? Ellis, can you say it one more time?

1:48:15Marques Brownlee:What kind of product? Wait. The Fulton Innovation started the Wireless Power Consortium. They invited other companies to join in an attempt to standardize the wireless power technology they had developed for what kind of product? All right.

1:48:33Andrew Edwards:I'm guessing stovetop.

1:48:36Marques Brownlee:That is incorrect. I'm guessing stovetop. That is incorrect.

1:48:39David Imel:They all said stovetop.

1:48:40Marques Brownlee:They all said stovetop. Oh, wow.

1:48:43David Imel:I think we all heard induction. The correct answer...

1:48:47Marques Brownlee:I was thinking they pivoted. ...is a water purifier. And the reason that it was a water purifier and they went with the wireless power technologies because they needed to hermetically seal it and also get power inside of it. I've heard about Brita before. That seems like a lot of work.

1:49:05David Imel:Your Brita got cheated.

1:49:07Marques Brownlee:You understand now why I was like, this can't possibly be true. The wireless power consortium was started because a water filter company was like, we might have actually invented something pretty cool here. They didn't invent it. They did some development and they bought a bunch of patents from a company that, you know, a little of that. This is peak waveform. If you didn't know, you learned something. Speaking of which, the Wireless Power Consortium has another standard specifically for the inductive charging of kitchen appliances. What's it called? While we're doing that, quick update on the score.

1:49:47Marques Brownlee:Marques with 14. Andrew with 17. David with 16.

1:49:54Marques Brownlee:because I had to change the score again because it was also wrong last week. But now it's right. I went back to like three months ago. Fun fact. Vin just learned about induction in our kitchen 20 minutes ago because it didn't work for him. He was trying to cook something on like a little stovetop thing.

1:50:11Andrew Edwards:All right, what you got? I wrote WAPS. WAPS. Wireless Appliance Power Share.

1:50:19Marques Brownlee:No. You know backwards, that's a word too. Spa.

1:50:28David Imel:What'd you put?

1:50:30Andrew Edwards:What is that? No.

1:50:34David Imel:Wait, no.

1:50:35Marques Brownlee:Marquez, what did you write? Don't do that. I wrote Nintendo Switch 2. My pants. Andrew? Fulton charging. No. It is key charging. K-I. No way. Yeah. No way. Are you serious? Kitchen. Qi and Qi. That actually... Kitchen induction. That makes way more sense than I was expecting. So what does the Q stand for then? And Qi? That was originally going to be my question, and I couldn't find the answer. I just kept seeing Qi, like the energy source or whatever. I couldn't find if it was an acronym or anything. Like the thing from traditional Chinese spiritualism? Yeah, find your Qi. I missed a score update while I was guessing.

1:51:20Marques Brownlee:What did you say? Dude, you're crushing. It's not even close. I finally got some points. That's true. The score. Marquez with 14. Damn, that's crazy. David with 16. So you're still behind David. And then Andrew with 17. Wait, really? Carrying the one. Oh, wow. I'm hot on the tail. Carrying the one. Okay. Carrying the one. Well, this was an eventful episode of the Waveform Podcast, like usual. But that's just what happens in February. We find games to play and we learn things on trivia. So thanks for sticking with us. Thanks for watching. Thanks for subscribing. thanks for getting us over a million.

1:51:55Marques Brownlee:Go watch Yiddle. See you later. Bye. 500 ,000.

1:51:59David Imel:We could get to a million soon.

1:52:01Marques Brownlee:Oh yeah, no, we're not over a million.

1:52:03David Imel:We are not over a million subscribers. Half a million.

1:52:05Marques Brownlee:I was in studio mode. Thanks for getting us half a million. Let's get all the way to a million. Also go watch Yiddle. That's called manifesting.

1:52:13David Imel:Yeah. Waveform is produced by Adam and Lena, Ellis Rovin, and Mariah Zink again. Two weeks in a row. We're also partnered with Fox Media Podcast Network Interaction music is created by Van Sil.

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