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23:25But like, yeah, using Gemini to book concert tickets or something is just insane behavior.

23:30Marques Brownlee:That was my, okay, that was my take. So I tweeted this. I tweeted just a screenshot of the Google slide that just said book two floor seats to this concert and then in the video the person just clicks it and then that's the end of the interaction and they're like yeah yeah got the tickets what no that's not how this works that's also not even how i want it to work i want to shop around a little bit i actually want to engage with this yeah pick the seats i want pick the best deal like there are there's way more nuance to it now i tweeted this and dita replied he said well there's only so much we could fit in a sizzle reel of course gemini intelligence leaves the user in control for the final checkout process.

24:08Marques Brownlee:He linked the article that describes it, but I also don't see anything about the final checkout process in here. So I'm curious to see what the rest of the checkout process looks like. Because like if they're showing this while you're driving your car, they're showing you can do all of this while you're doing other things. How thorough could it really be? That's the other thing is how much do you trust it? Because look, I've grown up now in the age of AI making lots of mistakes. Old. and it's getting better yes but i'm very familiar with ai hallucinating things and making lots of mistakes so when when people say like booking airplane tickets is a big screen activity i think what they really mean is like i want to make sure i'm doing this right and actually getting what i want here and doing a single button press in gemini and then maybe two or more steps in a process still doesn't feel like quite enough it feels like when people have like a google home or a different like home device and they're like i don't know buy me this thing and there's no follow up it just feels very just like yeah i want it now yeah for some people that's going to be fine because they don't care which version they just bought or how much it cost or whatever or how fast the delivery is going to be or any of the other steps but yeah i think i don't feel like i would do this is just going to be weird too because there's so many concerts where you end up like waiting in a queue you know like you have three hours of waiting before there's not even going to be any tickets left anyway exactly yeah gemini scalp tickets gemini is going to be on ticket master like refreshing like the rest of us.

25:33Marques Brownlee:We'll see. They need to come up with better examples. So they had a couple others. Yeah. One of them was look at the syllabus and buy all the textbooks required for the semester. No. I'm like, man, I don't know. I just it's not fun to shop for the best deal for textbooks, but I don't want to just buy the default. You know who can just pay anything? A student. Yeah. I really I think I'm going to look at the listing and then go look on eBay or look on Facebook marketplace for last year's semester like students who are selling it like I don't know no just wait till you get to class ask who has the ebook yeah and then get the drive link yeah I'm very interested in the demo they had for the food delivery where they were like you know what I order from the restaurant send me that but double it you know what that one that one might work for me that one was close for me that one was the closest because I do have I have a restaurant near me and I have two things one or two things that I always swap between that order from there.

26:29Marques Brownlee:And I have this whole ritual where if I'm like 15 minutes from home, like do I feel like doing today? Not really. I will, not while I'm driving, but at a red light, I'll open the Uber Eats app and go put in the order and go for pickup. And then when I'm at a certain light, the same exact light every single time, which is exactly eight minutes away, I hit order at checkout. And then when the light turns green, I know that when I arrive, they're finishing my order. That's crazy. You have it that well timed? Yeah. So this is a routine enough thing that in theory I could just be driving in the car and just say, hey, G, order the thing.

27:03Marques Brownlee:Yeah. And it could do it. Which I think could be helpful. There's been times where I've been on like a road trip and I'm like, I am driving still and I can't stop because this is like a nine hour drive. And it would be nice if my food was waiting for me at a future destination. But that's pretty infrequent. And also, I guess it's picking this information, I assume, from your email or from texts or like receipts. I would imagine past orders as well right? What's that? I would imagine past orders as well. That's what I'm saying is it pulling the information from your it has to be pulling it from somewhere because how else would it know?

27:35Like it doesn't have access into DoorDash or does it? I think it's Gmail.

27:39Marques Brownlee:It has access into wallet Gmail photos and some other Google services. But they did say they were partnering with select food. It was like DoorDash and someone else. So some kind of backdoor into DoorDash I'm not sure. Maybe. Before they did all the featurey stuff they did the sort of that sort of like sizzle reel you know that intro cinematic. And a lot of the features they were sort of talking about in that seemed to be almost like open claw-y. Like when the command was like, keep an eye on this merch thing, that's the kind of thing that in order to do accurately, I would assume it would need to get prompted twice a day, three times a day in the background, which is like sort of what an open claw product is for.

28:16But they never actually said like it can do heartbeat style. Agentic. Agentic prompts. and so I'm curious if that's sort of like something they're planning on adding.

28:25Marques Brownlee:I feel like it should be able to. I've had GPT do that sort of thing before. You can say like just recurringly do this and let me know. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And it would like twice a day give me like a notification of the thing that it checked again. Oh, interesting. So it's possible, but yeah. Another example here was buying, what was it? Buying all the things like tours with no. Oh, it was just like look at my Expedia like booking. and like book a tour for five people or something. Like just pick the best one, Google. Yeah. You might get like the one that has open seats, which isn't very good because the good one is full.

29:01Marques Brownlee:I'm not really sure what it's going to pick for you. I want to do that. No. I will never. I don't think the technology will ever get to a point where I will have it plan an entire trip and me just be like, sounds great. It seems like it's the example every time. I want to go for a trip. Let's plan a trip to France. And it just starts doing stuff. I simply cannot imagine doing that. But that's the future of Google's ads business. I believe it, but I just don't see it. We're already seeing like the birth of the AI SEO sort of industry of these ad agencies that are like, we will boost your rankings on GPT and Claude and stuff like that.

29:37And I think this is the future baby. It's like, buy this thing. And then the AI goes, who paid me money to say buy this thing?

29:43Marques Brownlee:I feel like I want the AI to kick in like one step later in the process. Like I want to do some of the research and I want to decide which exact item I'm going to buy and then throw the AI in, which to be fair, that's one of the things is the improved autofill, which it's going to be able to take information from what it knows about you, from your wallet, from your photos. Let's say it needs a random driver's license ID number or something for some random purchase. I don't know why it would do that. Your passport. Your passport ID. That was one of the examples, but it could throw that in there because the improved autofill, it can take care of that for you.

30:15Marques Brownlee:So that's the point where the AI, I think would be very useful for me. yeah but i'm just one looking forward to that that autofill thing looked really dope because i spend way too much time filling out different addresses even with the autofill by chrome and all this stuff it still takes too long yeah so if there's a way to just have ai do all these generic things go for it i feel like the thought of this would freak my parents out like i don't think there's some people who i feel like would not want to have their personal information I assume there's ways to opt out of all of these or is there you would hope so I don't know but I don't know I think it would be opt in or at least the way it's been treated so far is I had to tell it to access my Gmail and all that other stuff so it was opt in I had to give it access to everything yeah my calendar my Gmail all that but I mean hey it's there already use it I've taken a picture of my password before that's the thing though here's the thing I have my current driver's license that I've taken a picture of.

31:11Marques Brownlee:I also definitely have a picture of my old driver's license. Is the driver's license number the same? Maybe it is. If it pulls from the old one, is that going to be a problem? I don't know. Well, that was my question. They had an example with MagicQ and they were like, oh, I'm going on a hike and I was going back and forth with this person and they texted me the address. And with MagicQ, I could just press the button and send them the address. And that has not worked for me once. Yes. Every time because it's like I'm going back and forth with the person and we're discussing multiple places. Like, oh, do you want to go here?

31:38What if we meet there? what about this place and every time that magic you button that pops up it gives me one of those

31:43Marques Brownlee:places and not the one we settled on that is that's why i don't trust it i don't trust it that's one of those like those little things like that where it's not going to understand that we i just said yeah let's do that one instead of putting in a whole address yeah and it just doesn't understand and then when it gets it wrong it's that one little thing where it's like now we don't want to trust it anymore where the person literally is like where are we meeting oh magic you i just send the response and then you get there and they're like i'm 15 miles away because you sent me an address. Yeah, they went to the wrong airport.

32:10Marques Brownlee:Yeah. Oh my God. So, TBD on testing all of that stuff, but the last thing we got a little bit of a sneak peek of is Google Book. Yes. Google Book is... They hyped it a lot like it's a brand new concept, but to me it felt a lot like Chrome OS Plus. Okay, yeah. It's a Chromebook with Chrome OS. It has Android apps. It has a premium build, as they say, and it'll have a little light bar. It'll be made by one of several OEMs, HP, Dell, Lenovo, Acer, Asus, and it runs this more Gemini-centered version of Chrome OS where it has essentially the magic pointer on the top of it, which you wiggle the cursor, and it becomes a little multimodal portal into Gemini.

32:58Marques Brownlee:You can click a photo, learn about it. You can click several photos, combine them together with Nano Banana. You can ask it to rephrase some text that you highlight with the cursor it's just that your cursor becomes this portal into gemini it's a cool concept um but why a new product category yeah why is it confused about this is just yeah it's just chrome os it's just an update and the chrome os chromebooks like the more recent ones that were really good already could run android apps yep in the play store yeah so i'm like why do a whole rebrand i think there may be a distinction between emulating the play store from your phone and actually running the app on the laptop okay um in the like you know you can like mirror your iphone on your mac same thing with like you can use apps that are on your phone and access files that are on your phone from the laptop but i think that might be a slight distinction here where it's actually running the app on the laptop instead of running it or mirroring it from what your phone is running but then how does it have the data from my phone um some other extra connection between is that not laptop okay i don't think that part is new yeah but yeah now it's like oh i'm writing an email let me just attach a file that's from my phone you can just drag it from your phone so this might be a stupid question but did they kill chromebooks i was wondering i don't think it didn't seem like they killed it so this is just a new i mean they never mentioned chromebooks so i I assume they didn't kill Chromebooks, but this is a new concept, Google Book.

34:22Okay. I do like the idea. Like when I saw it, I was like, oh, that's cool. Like premium hardware. It's the same reason I was excited for like the old Chromebook Pixel, like the nice premium laptops that are tied into all my Google stuff. I already have the Android phone, the Pixel phone, whatever, like just put it all in one place. I like that idea. I'm just confused about the whole new branding around Google Books specifically. Who is this for? Who's buying this?

34:48Marques Brownlee:that's what I want to know that's another good question because we kind of know what a chromebook is and a chromebook historically has been a cheaper like entry into the google ecosystem for students and a lot of people who just need like a web browser and that's basically it and they have some apps on their phone a more premium version of that means higher price tag potentially higher performance more interesting features but what does it do if you're having a higher price tag I needed to do real work things. It's an AI machine. It's the first laptop. Wait let me take the exact quote. Is there a price point for this either?

35:23There's no price yet.

35:25Marques Brownlee:The first laptops designed for Google Gemini intelligence from the ground up. Does that mean that it can run Final Cut or Adobe Premiere or? Definitely does not mean that. I really doubt that. Or even outside of the creative video editing workflow. Can it do? I don't know. No, like this, this is not, it doesn't feel like a competitor to the MacBook Neo. Like it doesn't even feel like a similar, because that's like their budget item. And this feels completely different category. This is the, I want to use Gemini more than the average person Chromebook. Which is me. I would like to do that. But do you need a whole separate computer to do that?

36:01Yeah. Like I should be like, why can't I just install an app on my current computer that does all this?

36:05Marques Brownlee:Yeah. Why do I need a whole new? Why is this not a software update to an existing Chromebook? Yeah. That's what I would like to know. What is the benefit of me buying into this hardware system? Because I'm buying a whole new laptop. The glow bar. Which they didn't even say what it does. What does the glow bar do? It just glows. It just glows? It just looks nice. If it literally just glows, I'm here for it. I think it literally just a nice looking glow bar. That's not the only thing it does. And then they didn't elaborate. Did they say that? I could be misremembering. It seemed very ominous. I was taking notes, so I might have missed some parts of that.

36:38Marques Brownlee:but it seems like it just glows. If it literally just glows, I'm here for it. That's so, just, why not? Why not? But I'm just like, I'm just confused about this whole thing. Yeah. I'm not sure what the use case is and I really want to know how much this is going to cost. I will try to get my hands on a Google book. I don't know who's going to make the first one. I don't know if it's going to be HP or - It will be HP. Asus or Samsung. Probably HP. Yeah. We'll see if I can get my hands on a Google book. Well, what was the first one? Wasn't it Acer? The C140 or something like that? The CR48? That one.

37:07Marques Brownlee:That was unbranded. Wait. I don't think they ever said like an OEM. I thought. It was literally a logo-less matte black featureless laptop. Just what you want. Oh, no. That was Acer. That was Acer. It was Acer? Acer CR48. Okay. Acer made it. Was there a logo? Are you looking at pictures of it? Yeah. I'm looking at pictures. I don't see any logo. What is this? This is like the first. The first ever Chromebook. Oh. You can see how they got me into Chromebooks because they made a featureless matte black sleek Chromebook to start it off. and I was like, all right, I think I could get into this. And then you tried to use it.

37:39Marques Brownlee:Yeah. It has like one gig of RAM in it. Yeah. So, CVD. I used one for all throughout college. It was awesome. But then I graduated and I had to do things for work. And I was like, now I can't use this computer. I need a new computer. And if I'm going to spend like, I don't know, let's say it's what,$1 ,500 for a premium. They kept saying premium. No way. So I'm assuming it's going to be expensive. That is really premium. Right? That's expensive. That would be too much. I picture when they say premium, I pictured$1 ,000. a thousand and so i mean that is premium but i mean you get a macbook air for that so for this and they didn't announce any other specs and but the macbook air don't jiggle baby doesn't have a glow bar i i mean the glow bar premium could mean anything the the typical chromebook range is like 250 to 550 yeah 650 maybe but this isn't a chromebook marquez this is a premium hardware right premium hardware but that could just mean more metal than plastic that could mean like a better keyboard deck and a brighter screen and stuff like that doesn't necessarily mean like high-end specs and tons of RAM.

38:34Marques Brownlee:I think that's exactly what it means. I think it just means metal. Yeah. Yeah. $7.99. $7.99? I don't know. I don't know. It's going to be interesting to put this alongside a Chromebook and see what they actually do differently. Yeah. That's what we'll see. We'll test it on video. We need David to test this. David, come home. Speaking of David, you know what he's not here for? Trivia. Nice. But Mariah will have to wait. So you get it. What am I playing for? You played for Andrew last time? Yeah. So you'll keep playing for Andrew. You're in David's seat. I think you should play for David. Okay, sorry, David.

39:09And I'll play for Andrew.

39:11Marques Brownlee:Okay, you play for the person whose seat you are in. Yeah, yeah. I'll play for Marquez. That's fair. Adam will play for Andrew. We can swap seats. Do you want to play for David? No, I want to play for me. I want to play for me. I need points. I need points. Okay, this is going to be a Price is Right rules question. Please, Ellis. So closest without going over. $17.99. Sony is known for choosing very bad names for their products because the names are overly complicated and filled with crazy numbers. Google has the opposite problem where their names are so simple they often overlap with one another and become confusing.

39:44That's funny. They do do that. How many Google products and services have the word book? No. Oh, God. Is there a limit? What's the biggest number it could be? Price is right rules. Price is right rules. And I'm just going to give you guys one hint right now. The Chromebook Pixel is only one. Even though the 2013 and 2015 Chromebook Pixels are different devices, I'm counting those as one device because they have one Wikipedia page. Yeah. Okay. These are products and services. So remember, just to kick it off, there is now the Google Book and Google Books. And these count, like these current releases.

40:26You're adding these. Like I said, both Google Book and Google Books is on the list. David, you're not going to get any points today. I'm sorry, brother. David is somewhere yelling at his phone because he actually knows the answer. This is the one he was made for. I'm not even going to write anything down yet. The service does not have to be alive still. No, it does not. Oh, no. Chances are it is not alive. That's also true, statistically speaking. And remember, there can be letters immediately preceding or immediately succeeding the word book. It can be blank, blank, blank, book or book, blank, blank, blank.

40:56like books later. All right. Okay.

40:59Marques Brownlee:All right. Well, we'll think about that. We'll try to be prices right accurate. Answers at the end, like usual. We'll be right back.

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44:00Marques Brownlee:Price guarantee on talk, text, and data. Exclusions like taxes and fees apply. See T-Mobile.com. Welcome back. All right. So on the production calendar, we have had this day there for a while because this day is podcast recording with no David, no Andrew. This day comes every year. And you know us. We thought, what better than a game? And today, for the first time, I have my compatriot, Rufus, who came up with this amazing game many weeks ago, and we have put it into effect. Do you guys remember when we did Family Feud and we asked the Waveform audience to answer a bunch of questions? Yeah, we did.

44:34Yeah. Well, we bring you today an even better version of it called... I didn't time this one very well. You're doing great, sweetie. Reddit Family Feud. That's like Reddit family feud. We found nine Reddit posts on Reddit.com that had answers that we thought were funny, interesting, bad, uninformed, informed, whatever you want it to be. That's just Reddit. You just described Reddit. We gave them to, I don't remember which AI model. It might've been Alibaba's Quen. I think it was Quen. We gave them to Quen and we said, Quen, perform sentiment analysis and let us know what the most common or upvoted answers to these questions asked on Reddit were.

45:20So the way this game is going to work is we're going to read you the Reddit post. You guys are going to have to guess what is either the most commonly answered thing or the most commonly upvoted thing. We'll let you know before each question. This is an upvotes one. This is a sentiment analysis one. And I'm just going to give you a quick example. This first question we're going to do is, why do people hate Apple so much? The number 10 answer on the board. So this is a most commonly answered. The number 10 answer is lack of innovation year over year. Nine people. That was number 10? That was the least.

45:58That was like of the top 10, the least answer. This is like daily 10s, but in real life. Yeah. So if I had answered that, I would get how many points? So I'm glad you said that because I was about to bring that. The last time we did Family Feud, we used a linear, straightforward answering system that I think we stole from. I can't remember how they do scoring on the TV show. But, you know, like if you answer the 10th answer, you get one point. If you answer the top answer, you get 10 points. This time we said increase chaos by a lot. And the points are based on how common that answer was. So if you had gotten that answer, lack of innovation year over year, you'd have gotten nine points.

46:32Adam. If you had gotten the number one answer for this question, which I will not read right now, you would have gotten 58 points. Damn! This could get out of hand. This will get out of hand. This will get out of hand. That's kind of the point. So the way we're going to do it is you hit your buzzer, it locks everyone else's buzzers, and then you get the chance to answer. You'll either get it right or you'll get it wrong. If you get it right, you get to make another guess. And if you get it wrong, then it gets unlocked then someone else can buzz in and steal it I'm going to go 9 for 9 you guys are not going to be able to answer the segment will be over in about 3 minutes and if you guys are somehow like prime brain redditors like you just can guess what redditors are doing then we'll turn on that you could get 3 guesses and then you're not guessing that question anymore but I think we should be good as is we might need to test this out I don't know how to decide who I guess I've done a good amount of redditing in my day yeah so why do people hate Apple so much, someone buzz in.

47:31Who buzzed? Me. Adam. Why do people hate Apple so much? Because it's expensive. It's expensive. Ding, ding, ding. That's, yeah, number one answer. Number one answer. 58 points to Adam. Yeah, that's right. Catch up. That's crazy. Eat my bubbles. Alright, alright. Oh, we're just... No, no, you got it right. You don't have to buzz again. Oh, okay, so I can just keep going. Okay, okay. So then the next most common answer by Redditors is because it's ass. Because it's bad. I don't think anything... Oh, sorry. Was that preemptive? It was, but Mariah, we'll let you answer. Can I say they break easily?

48:12Lack of repairability? That's funny. So that's people... But Marquez, you did say not repairable, which is the third most sad thing on this question. Wait, so did I not get any points? No. What the f***? Wait, you just said yes to all of that. No, I changed her mind. It was...

48:35I've been feeling the whole game is going to go like that. Are we still going? Yeah, are we still going? Wait, wait, wait. I think Marquez got that right. I keep going. The board is yours. User hostility. Explain what you mean by that. Ecosystem wall. Yep, walled garden ecosystem. Number five. 29 points.

48:58Marques Brownlee:Interesting. What about like not available in my region? Unfortunately, I do not see that. No way. They're trying to get themselves into every region. They're ugly. The design? I feel like Reddit would say that. I feel like they would. No, people think they look great. Simps. Lack of customization. That's a good one. Give me that. Give me that. No. No? Come on, Redditors.

49:36Marques Brownlee:Lacking in, like, updated specs. They never have the biggest batteries or the highest numbers or any of that. No. No silicon carbon, you know. Okay, wait. Let's see. Let's see.

49:52Marques Brownlee:No games, bro. No games. It's Reddit. No way. Yeah, gaming limitations. number four answer for 32 points gamers spend$1200 on GPU alone counter argument sure thanks gamers cannot afford this gamers cannot afford that a lot of these are you're answering these questions as if the Redditors would give the actual answers but a lot of these are just LLM responses a lot of these are I don't care. I'm going to talk about something else. I could have said that. Okay, so I'm going to I got that right. If you said, why do Apple products suck so much? What is the second highest answer on the board would be your mom?

50:43Because they always have. Not quite. Mariah, I see you itching to buzz in. I don't know. They don't like Tim Cook. No.

50:52Marques Brownlee:Would it be they don't suck? No! Wait, you didn't buzz in. I just buzzed. Which one do you want to give him? Oh, I thought this was an example. Give it to six. Okay. The number two answer on the board is sort of a slight variation on that, but it's slight enough that I think it deserves its own thing. But next time, let's make sure we're using the buzzers, folks. Okay. Got it, got it, got it. I need to think like a Redditor. Wait, so what was your most recent answer? What'd you just say? It doesn't suck. It doesn't suck. And the answer on the board was build quality and reliability is actually excellent.

51:26so we have both sides we already say like so we have it doesn't suck but we already have it sucks right?

51:36Marques Brownlee:but why does it suck? it doesn't matter they just say they don't like it not on the board no Siri is goaded not on the board I don't think anybody thinks that I think they would say something about the pretentious attitude of presenting everything is revolutionary when it's not. That, I would say that is seven. Tribalism slash platform wars that feels on point. Can we say like explicitly better than Android? Nothing? That might have I might have given you tribalism for that. What was this Reddit post again? What was the question? It was why do people hate Apple so much? I thought that was an example question.

52:20Yeah, that doesn't count.

52:22Marques Brownlee:Were we getting points for that? And it's a closer game than you would think Really? Let's do it Guys, after that first question You said this was a close game Adam, you are in second place With 90 points Marquez, you are in first place With 110 points And Mariah, holding up the caboose With zero points It's okay Mariah The questions you guys left on the board Were number 9 people think hating popular things makes them smart. Number eight was an HP Elite book comparison. And number two, the variation on they don't suck is people who hate it haven't actually used Apple Rimes. That's a good one.

53:09By the way, 14 people commented about the HP Elite book. Wow. What forum was this on? Reddit.com. R slash Mac. We should read the subreddit. They're probably talking about the Nia or something. Guys, this next Next question. No. Wait. I'm ready. Guys, let's just give it up for Rufus. This is one of my favorite games we've ever done. Picking off this next question, very similar. This is on r slash computers. Computer. Why does everyone hate Windows 11?

53:40Marques Brownlee:The ads, bro. Number 10 answer? Ads in the OS. That's number 10? There's worse. The bugs. The bugs is not. He's just going to run down the list. That is number eight. Oh, damn. Okay. Really not that high. Performance worse than Windows 10. Okay. The aesthetics. It's not very clean or polished or good looking. No, I'm not going to get this in. Okay. All right. Privacy. Privacy is, yeah, what number is that? Four or five? The number five answer worth 27 points. Damn right. Adam, you've controlled the board. Okay. Next up after privacy, the obvious answer is build quality. This is Windows 11, which is an operating system.

54:27Yeah, it comes on laptops, does it not? It comes on everything. AI. We hate AI. AI is the number two answer. 38 points. She is officially here, folks. Right. You have control. Oh, no. We hate McAfee. Good answer. Good answer. No one said that. Adam? Wait, wait, wait. Oh, no, no, no. Bloatware and AI features were bundled into one. Adam, I'm sorry. Yeah, no, it's fine. No, Mariah gets to go, so she has control. I went wrong. I was wrong. Oh, we're bundling it? Okay, okay. Oh, man, I never thought I'd make it this far. We hate Windows 11 because of the... Did we talk about the tiles? You said design or UI, right?

55:17I did tiles we see in tiles on here star menu we gotta explain this Marquez you said the design and we said no however UI changes are on here but I do believe tiles was brought into Windows 8 yeah that's old but honestly just to make it a more competitive game let's give Mariah the points we're so back David I'm gonna make you proud myself Okay, Mariah, you have to control the board once again. Oh, man, other things that we hate. The number one answer is still on the board, folks. That's right. I got this. I got this. I know what it is. I feel like we've said all the main things that we don't like.

56:01We did not. What else is there? I'm going to start in five seconds. So many things. We don't like the Game Hub. It's terrible.

56:12Marques Brownlee:I don't see Game Hub. I know no one cares. We actually do like Windows. Good guess. That was my guess. Damn, that was my guess. Unanimously hated. There are no left turns in this one. Unbelievable. Everyone hates it. Can you read the thread again? The title of it? Fred again? Why does everyone hate Windows 11? Copilot. Bundled into AI features. I think we already said AI. Because they all use Macs and they're too dumb to learn Windows. I'm trying to think like a Redditor right now. Wait, okay. Great point. Think like a Redditor. Because Linux is better. Oh, yeah. It should be there, but it's not.

56:53We miss Windows 10. These are all... Damn. We're better Redditors than Redditors. Yeah, that's crazy. We're thinking too smart. Okay, wait. What's that weird thing that like screenshots your whole history? We don't like that. Copilot. Copilot. Okay, never mind.

57:07Marques Brownlee:No, that's... Is it not? No, it's called Recall. Recall? It's also written down in that same answer. Okay. Okay, okay. We've hit the number two answer like five times. We still don't have number one? Nope, still number one. Damn. You're missing a few textbook classic Microsoft complaints. Okay. Oh, we said AI already. because they didn't add, I don't know. Mariah. We don't like Microsoft now. System requirements. There are two answers on the board that involve Microsoft, but it's a little too general. We don't trust Microsoft. No, it's still too general. What does Windows do that you hate? That I hate?

57:52Yeah. What does Windows do that you wish it didn't?

57:55Marques Brownlee:Oh, because it doesn't. oh that's different I was gonna say it doesn't have all the Apple apps and final stuff like that too many pop-ups what does it do that I wish it didn't what does Windows do that you wish it did not do it's incompatible with things oh oh oh random forced updates yes is that number one number nine what's number one something insane What is number one? It has to do with Microsoft as a company. Yeah, wait. Okay, maybe we should brainstorm. Marquez, you said bugs, right, earlier? I think that might be the number four answer. I think that, because it's talking about, I think.

58:38But we already gave him an answer for it, so we can give him double the points. That's true. What about Microsoft? So either somebody has the specific things on there.

58:46Marques Brownlee:What do we not like about Windows 11? Oh, yeah, Windows 11 specifically. Andrew's like screaming at home, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is. Oh, oh. Marquez. Drivers. Oh. Driver updates? I hate drivers. I feel like drivers have gotten pretty good. System requirements. But perhaps. What about, explain. Say more. The minimum system requirements are always so high. Yep. Yeah, we'll give it to you. That was number one? No, the number three answer was hardware requirements forcing e-waste from older compatible unsupported PCs. Whoa, shout out to Reddit for caring about e-waste. Redditors love the environment.

59:21Marques Brownlee:Yeah, that's awesome. We still don't have number one. That's insane. That's crazy. They're all banging on their keyboards right now. Yeah. It's gotten too expensive. Damn it. Yeah. What do you need to run Windows? Mark hands.

59:42Marques Brownlee:You need a GPU. Can't get one of those. RAM. No. Damn. What's funny is that this is something that you also need to use a Mac. Huh? No. No? I'm confused. Are you sure about that? You do not need the equivalent thing from Apple to do this. Never mind. The equivalent? Guys, I think it's time to wrap this one up. I don't know, man. We don't know. Tower. PC tower. Number one answer, forced Microsoft account requirement. Oh, God. Also still on the board, number four, broken updates and system crashes after patching. And the number seven answer, we hate OneDrive. Get rid of OneDrive. Killing. Nobody likes it.

1:00:22What's so funny is the number one answer is the reason my dad won't use it. He complains to me all the time I should have listened to that.

1:00:29Marques Brownlee:I get that that is the number one thing. I was annoyed by when setting up a eating It's so fleeting. It's just for such a short period of time. It's like an hour Yeah, it's like the first hour you own the thing so we're going to our next point our next question and to round out the points We have Marquez in first place with 187 Adam in second place with 117 and Mariah riding out the back with 61 points. If we combine our forces we can beat him. I just want to make sure everything's right. Adam, can you look at your camera real quick? Jesus Christ. Did you do it? Bring Andrew home. Bring Andrew back.

1:01:13Oh God. What's the next question? This one is the one that David will be sad he missed because it is from rsolotraveler. Oh, I thought it was from r slash analog. Why are you laughing? As he's solo traveling right now. He's on a solo travel right now.

1:01:28Marques Brownlee:That's funny. r slash solotraveler. Solotravel, excuse me. And the question is, Peak Design Backpack. All right, well. No. No. Does anyone else want to try and RuPaul this one? There's no penalty. There's no negative. Yeah. Lonely.

1:01:51nope that's all there okay no too expensive the question is do you bring your laptop on trips oh no you gotta give me more though no it's too heavy mariah wait wait that is the number one answer on the board no travel light with just phone that's what i do nice adam that's the only answer thank you yeah uh i have nine more so number

1:02:20Yes, I need to work. That's the number two answer on the board. Only for work trips. Can't stop working. Let's go right down the list. Number three. Sometimes depends on the trip.

1:02:36Which one is that? You gotta give me more info about the trip. What's the differentiator? Am I visiting family or not?

1:02:43Marques Brownlee:Nope. Damn. Mark hands. Yep. Sometimes, depending on if I need to write a lot on this trip, type a lot. Keyboard. No. Keyboard. That would be the answer. God. Can I get a big business? Big business? No, that's kind of the only number two answer only for work trips. Oh. Oh. If I have a meeting. No, it's still work stuff. Fair. It's the biggest screen I can bring with me, so I'll watch a movie on it. That's pretty good. No. Watch a movie. Make a movie. I mean, you could edit a movie on it. Okay, that is... What? The number... Yep, the number six answer for photography slash editing needs. That's way higher than I thought.

1:03:30Oh, wait, you still get to go.

1:03:31Marques Brownlee:Oh, for solo travel. Okay, what else would they say? They would say... I forgot we're doing solo traveling. They would say no. They don't even own a laptop. That's good. Nerds. No. Sorry, Mariah. They're like, no, I don't want it to break on my trip. That's a good answer. I don't have that. You don't want anything to happen to it. There are other reasons that people said they would not bring one, but breaking is actually not one of the ones listed. That's like my number one reason I don't want to bring your places. No, I don't want it to get stolen. No, I don't want to get stolen is the number five answer.

1:04:04Thank you, Mariah. Yes, how else do I game?

1:04:10Marques Brownlee:Surprising to you. What? Nerds aren't gaming. R slash solo travel. What would these people? Gamers don't solo travel. Mariah. Digital Nomad. Yeah, for work. Nope. I hate that. You know what, Mariah? Just to keep it competitive, we're going to give you the number eight answer on the board. Long trips only. Months, not weeks. Digital Nomad, she said. She said Digital Nomad. That's a different type of nomad. I don't want it. You already have the points. We literally cannot subtract them from your score. Also, yes, that is what you said. Nomad implies you're traveling for... But digital nomad is different.

1:04:46Digital nomad. Not digitally. No, that is it. It's like Tron. The comments will agree with me. What else? Won't bring it because... How many answers do we have left? Yeah. What's left on the board? Five? The bottom five? Super quick tangent, just before I forget. Everyone was talking about the Google event after it ended, and someone was like, yeah, I keep trying to do this Gemini thing with voice and it doesn't work. And someone was like, well, do you think it trained with the voice? And I was like, Bene Gesserit talking to Lisan Al-Gaib.

1:05:17Marques Brownlee:Oh. Oh, trained with the voice. Thank you. All right. I don't remember who is up. So buzz in somebody. Well, you gave Mariah the digital nomad. Then Mariah has the board and no one should buzz. I don't know, man. Why aren't we bringing laptops? This is we aren't bringing laptops? Well, do you bring your laptops? What do you think the Reddit community responded to the prompt? They said, yes, I have to day trade. No, it's still business. Stock exchange. My laptop doesn't do anything that I want to do on this trip. Yes, I will quantify that as regretted bringing it slash barely used it. Yeah. Okay.

1:06:00Marques Brownlee:And then it's just another thing I have to charge. I don't want to charge it.

1:06:09Did we already say like doesn't fit in bag? Travel light. I think. Oh, okay. Yeah, I think that's the number four answer. Bring an iPad slash tablet instead. Okay. Nice. Sure. Sure. That's different. Excuse you. I thought we said that already. Excuse you. Wow. Okay, so now we have three answers left. Three answers left. The number three, nine and ten answers. Not a lot of points left. Laptop. What are the Redditors thinking? It's because I brought my tower PC instead. Solo travel. Number three response on Reddit would be where are you going? Oh, like people are asking? Yeah. Now you're thinking with portals.

1:06:51Okay. Not on the board. Okay. Are they like, why do you need it? Use case scenario. I think we can sweep this one up. I think we have enough. We have three that are left on the... This one up?

1:07:05Marques Brownlee:It seems sweeping on your mind, Alice. Interesting. I'm sorry, Alice. I love you. You okay? You guys made him sad. So number three, yes, but only a cheap laptop or a Chromebook. Number nine, my phone got stolen. I'm glad I had a laptop as a backup. Number ten, read a book. Okay. Just read a book. Whatever. Touch grass. No, that's not the same. Rounding out the points, we have Adam now in the lead with 241 points, Marquez with 214 and Mariah with 92. Let's go. I want to, before we do Good game guys, we can end this here. Thank you. I think we should do this one next. Yeah, I want this one. Okay, good.

1:07:45So r slash retconned is the subreddit for the Mandela effect, but it's different than the Mandela effect subreddit because in the rules it says you have to approach this subreddit with the assumption that the Mandela effect is real and the past actually is changing. Okay. So it's pretty. So it's like conspiracy theory. It's like it's conspiracy theory, but not like, oh, what if these conspiracy theories are real? It's like this is happening to me. Got it.

1:08:12Marques Brownlee:I have a submission for the Mandela effect. Fisher Price car. Never heard about it. It's never been a Fisher Price car. It's Little Tykes. What? I had one as a kid. Everyone thinks it's a Fisher Price car. Wait, the one you reviewed on. It's not Fisher Price. We have one in the studio. You can go look. Yeah. But who makes it? Little Tykes. What? Little Tykes not a sub brand? Nope. Oh. I can see myself getting that wrong. Guys, someone asked r slash retconned, can your phone read your mind? Oh, yeah. What did the conspiracy theorists of Reddit respond? They responded, they have to be listening to you all the time.

1:08:51Yes, that's the number four answer. Phone listening through microphone slash AI pattern recognition. Yes, you have the board. Which is a Jeopardy thing. I know I'm mixing up my games,

1:09:00Marques Brownlee:but everyone shut up. That's fine. Can you feel it on your mind? It seems like it's reading your mind based on how much it knows about you but it just knows so much about you. Real. Two? No, I think that might be the number two answer. Yeah, coincidence slash algorithms are just really good at prediction. That's the number two answer. Jesus Christ, Marcus. Damn it. Why does it think it's running your mind? Ad tracking? Maybe that's just the number one. Mmm, nah, I mean there's no tracking. Mariah. It knows where I am. How does it know? Can we call that the number one answer? I don't know. No. No.

1:09:45No. No. No. No.

1:09:49Honestly, Mariah, it, I'm giving you the number nine answer. The number nine answer is spiritual slash psychic abilities explanation. yeah this is amazing basically from here on out the number one answer is kind of reasonable but everything else is crazy what would redditors what would a redditor type into their keyboard remind me of the prompt again sorry can your phone read your mind on r slash retconned neural link yeah no the number six answer the number six answer brainwave slash emf with phone technology. I was literally going to say that next. Adam, you have it. Conspiracy theories. I'm going to go with Bluetooth.

1:10:35I do not see Bluetooth on here. Marquez. Eye tracking. Eye tracking is not on here. I'm surprised. So not like facial recognition? How does it know to unlock my phone? Facial recognition is thanks to not on here. How does it know what I look like?

1:10:55Marques Brownlee:How does your phone read your mind? I'm a redditor. Does your phone read your mind? Um, actually. No, it doesn't read your mind. That was, oh, skeptical slash dismissive responses. Wow. Way to go, Marquez. Okay.

1:11:16Marques Brownlee:It does read your mind.

1:11:22Marques Brownlee:This has got to be one of those. Do you want to say more? What else would, like, yes, and? Yeah, it's, it's reading your thoughts. I don't want to give him those points, but only because he's, I'm going to be a little strict because you're ahead. Okay, okay, okay. It's reading your emotions. Uh, no. I haven't seen that movie, though, so I don't know. I, I, I think I. Mariah. Ugh, did we already talk about targeted ads? I think we might have. Yeah. Okay. Okay, hold on. We only have a few more we can we can wrap this one up if you're if you're curious with the yes, right We don't have number one yet, right?

1:11:59We don't have number one. Can I include like Facebook can see Conspiracy related things on this. No. Well, what do you mean? I don't know man just No If you were a redditor, what would you what would you write? Oh the Illuminati?

1:12:20secret secret group knows where I'm at that's pretty that's kind of like this but not I think that's closer I thought that's closer to that I thought that's what that movie was about this is like this is the movie who here has seen the movie don't look up I don't think oh yeah I've seen it was that the give Adam the points then just automatically because I haven't seen it have you seen it does he need these points I haven't seen it but I know a little bit

1:12:42Marques Brownlee:it's four points I know someone who needs points we're just giving Adam points yeah Adam you have the board alright reasons say more so because they want to sell you things I feel like I've seen this on Reddit a lot this one time I was talking about something and then I got an ad for it personal story of phone showing exactly what they thought about was the number one answer on the board we didn't want to give it to you earlier but that was just too on the nose Marquez Yeah, I've seen that on Reddit quite a bit. The Michael Jordan of Reddit guessing. From the logo. Let's go one more guess from everyone here and then we'll wrap up this one.

1:13:22All right, so this one is, is my phone reading my mind? Yeah. As answered by Reddit folk. All three of the remaining answers on the board are insane. Okay. Mark it.

1:13:33Marques Brownlee:The artificial intelligence is simulating a human mind. We cannot give you those points, unfortunately. Is there one where just like we're in a simulation? Yes, the number six answer. we are living in a Truman Show-like simulation. Amazing, Mariah. You have control of the board for this last conspiracy theory. Name another conspiracy. One of these is another conspiracy theory and I'll give you a hint. This one is for the girls. It's for the girls? Oh, no. Birds aren't real. What are we lying about? I'm not supposed to tell. Yeah, what did you guys talk about at the last convention? What was the last meeting?

1:14:09What's that? Gwyneth Paltrow conspiracies. Goop? But what's the conspiracy? Come on, give me something. I already said Illuminati. Aliens. Let me help.

1:14:22Pirates of the Caribbean? Conspiracy theory. The blood of the youth. No.

1:14:33Pizzagate! Okay. Sorry, I got that.

1:14:36Marques Brownlee:Can your phone read your mind?

1:14:41Conspiracy, conspiracy, conspiracy I got nothing

1:14:45Marques Brownlee:I can't think of anything else What did we miss? That's okay I think we wrapped this one up What is it? The last two on the board are the number three answer Manifestation theory, we're creating these synchronicities Or number seven answer Haptic feedback, reading energy vibrations Through hands The crystals The frequencies and the manifestation. Quincy vibrations. Holy crap. Okay. The point standings now are Mariah with 116 points at the back, Adam with 260 points in the middle, and Marquez with a whopping 368 points in the lead. Is this a tech podcast? No. It's about to be because it's time to hit you guys with the absolute banger of this game.

1:15:32Okay. The question is, this is an r slash android. Oh, let's go. I'm ready. I'm fitting for today. I've spent enough hours. I was in there this morning. Let's go. What is the worst Android phone you've ever owned? Marques.

1:15:48Marques Brownlee:God, there's so many. That could be number one. HTC Thunderbolt. That number three answer. No way. Really? Okay, good. Worst Android phone.

1:16:02Marques Brownlee:I want to go with a Nexus. I was thinking something similar, but... Nexus 4. Mariah. Nexus 4 is literally on there. I apologize. Okay. Worst Android phone I've ever used.

1:16:19Marques Brownlee:Samsung Galaxy S25 Edge. It's probably not on there yet. It's probably too soon for that to be up there. Galaxy S8 Edge. Or S7 Edge. I forget which one it was. Mariah. Pixel 6. No reason in particular. Pixel 6 is on there. From experience. Specifically noted were the battery life and overheating issues. Let's go. Galaxy S8? Oh, no, no. Yes. I'm going to say that one. No? Okay. Worst Android phone I've ever used. What's the really, really thick... Is it Motorola phone? Oh, my God. What's the big daddy phone? Motorola I don't know Motorola Come on just name a Motorola phone Any Motorola phone What does Paris Hilton have I don't know You know the one I'm talking about Can I google this What is this thing called

1:17:25Marques Brownlee:Galaxy Nexus No that one everyone loved I loved it but it had some problems LG wing oh there's a lot of LG phones okay LG G8 no that one was awesome okay LG G9 okay LG G6 the Note 7 why are you googling this I couldn't remember what it's called listen this isn't my life I don't know all these phones Note 7 noted for it's explosion risk that makes sense what's the one that like exploded the Samsung phone that was the Note 7 that was the one great okay you know another Android phone is there like a Razer situation in here I'll give that one to you Razer M was on there I'm only giving you that one because you're so buying.

1:18:30What number was that? Just Razer M.

1:18:33Marques Brownlee:But we still don't have one, two or three, right? Oh, yes. You don't have three. You don't have one or two. Okay. One, two, five, seven, ten. Worst Android phone ever. Ever made. Ever made. Or ever that they used, right? Is it owned? Okay, okay. Okay. Guys, we're getting close to it for a little bit. Can I say the Samsung Fold 1? That is not on here. That is good. so bad the bad phone the Z Flip one I'm gonna think of like phones that were bust of the year like it's not gonna be this saga Solana it's not gonna be upvoted a lot is there a lot of old stuff on this list? this is not upvoted this is how many people actually wrote this down yeah this is not upvoted how many people wrote it?

1:19:23Marques Brownlee:oh I was gonna say red hydrogen but nobody bought that so that's not gonna be up there started naming phones man what's a phone that a lot of people that's what I'm thinking a lot of people bought it and a lot of people didn't like it the Motorola Droid X I love that phone it was lumped in with Motorola Droid series slash Razer what's that Windows phone in R slash Android

1:19:55Mandela effects right you just got retconned android phone guys I can we can wrap this up if you're ever getting slow but I will say I don't know what an android phone is Adam and Marquez you guys were circling the drain earlier LG G3

1:20:15Marques Brownlee:LG Wing LG G5 LG G1 LG G4 The number one answer on this The G4 was sick The G4? People said that it had boot loop issues Oh right The G4 was Yeah it was Yeah it was bad I was gonna say G Flex The G5 had like the modular like pull out the battery thing But the G4 was That was number one That was number one Guys I think we should wrap it here There is no possible way Oh wait no I could get one Although no one bought them I think it's like Sony Xperia 1. Give it to them. All Sony Xperia phones is the number 10 answer. What? Who even knows those exist? Six people apparently. Wow. This is a small thread.

1:21:08Damn. Okay. Okay, wow. That's it? That's all of them? That's all of them. No, there's more. Oh. Guys, the answers left on the board include the number two answer. The Samsung Galaxy J series slash Samsung budget phones noted their laggy, terrible experience. The Samsung S21 and S22 series were overheating and people were upset about Exynos. S20 Ultra? Just 21 and 22 series is what Quinn decided to sum up for us. At number seven, 12 people put OnePlus early models, including the 3T and 7 Pro for software issues. 7 Pro is one of my favorite phones ever. Yeah. Phone's awesome. Interesting. Wow. Okay.

1:21:50Well, okay. I think... So I won, right? Hear me out. We're combining our points into one to beat... I still think we would win. You still wouldn't beat him. Surely there's... Surely it's not possible. You would still be about 30 points short. Oh, wow. Okay, Marquez, I have a proposition. I think we gotta wrap this game up and we'll pick it up maybe as a segment in the next trivia extravaganza. Guys. Ooh, the lights are being really weird today. Anyway, thank you for playing Reddit Family Food. Our final score is Mariah the Caboose with 153 points. Adam carrying the one with 297 points. And Marquez absolutely dominating the field with 446 points.

1:22:39Thank you for playing. Thank you, Rufus, for coming on today's little segment game thing. Andrew David we miss you come home come home come home come back David

1:22:52Marques Brownlee:you can't be far the lights are so bright at the big table come back I miss my corner you can bring all the new ones with you the little ones guys with that we have our actual trivia oh no okay I'm ready no one hit your buzzer because it'll mess up the computer oh is there another question there is another question it's also about Google no guys Google's official blog, The Keyword, which is notoriously wrong about Google things all the time, has a convoluted and frankly confusing article about how Gemini got its name. I've read it several times and I'm still not sure where they got the name Gemini from.

1:23:29But you know what is not mentioned on this confusing article? What Gemini was called when it was first released. Because if everyone remembers, they changed the name to Gemini after a little bit.

1:23:42Marques Brownlee:Oh, I remember. Yeah, I remember. What was Gemini called upon its release? I know everyone's going to be like, oh, what was it? It was a chatbot. Now it's like a different. Shut up. Like, I don't care. Not that. Okay. I don't care. Tiny man. Got it. Tiny man. What are those tiny guys doing? Yeah. They're stepping on your computer. They're inside my computer. Yeah, they're working on. Anyway, we'll be right back after the break. Yeah.

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1:25:23Marques Brownlee:prices and participation may vary prices may be higher for delivery all right welcome back to our last little segment here uh chaos the game show is fun but we actually do have a little bit more tech to talk about believe it or not it's a tech podcast yeah we probably should have done this before the game night, I think. Yeah, for those of you who are dedicated, who are really making it this far, we do actually want to chat briefly about Fitbit Air, which is a new announcement technically from Google who bought Fitbit and then turned Fitbit into Google Health. And wait, so what was Google Fit?

1:25:52Marques Brownlee:So Google Fit is no more. And there was the Fitbit app, which they moved into this beta, which was all this new stuff. It is now the Google Health app. Yeah. So the Fitbit Air, this is a new screenless uh we saw the leaks of this we talked about it like two or three episodes before there's screenless fitness tracker that is supposed to compete directly with the whoop and all the other screenless fitness trackers but the whoop is a big one it's official now it is it's really interesting i think they're coming straight for whoops lunch because i think the number one thing you'd probably hear from whoop customers about what they don't like is that it's an it's a subscription and it's not cheap it's like 250 to 350 dollars a year depending on which subscription level you get.

1:26:32Marques Brownlee:So the Fitbit is 99 bucks, unlike the Whoop, which was 50, but that is in addition to a$9.99 per month subscription to Google Health Premium, which is actually not necessary to use the Fitbit. So you can use the Fitbit without the subscription. It does basic stuff, calorie tracking, heartbeats, stuff like that. But for all the features, 10 bucks a month. You just don't get like the AI health coach and stuff. Yeah, and like the more detailed tracking and things like that. And workouts, automatic workout detection, all that's fun stuff. So it is definitely undercutting the Whoop price. And then for people who are thinking about getting a Whoop or who are thinking, I don't want to spend as much as I am on the Whoop, maybe I'll move to the Google side of things.

1:27:10Marques Brownlee:It'll work on iOS or Android. Which is crazy to me. Which is nice. That is weird. You know, obviously, a lot of these things are locked to one side or the other. Pixel Watch is only going to work on Android. Apple Watch is only going to work on Apple side of the fence. But, you know, these fitness trackers working with both is nice. And it's got some nice features. so it's going to have a seven day battery life roughly you saw the different colors there's like a steph curry special edition but there's also a black one uh you can charge it for five minutes to get one day of battery life clutch it has a regular charger it doesn't have like that the whoop charger you know it has like a pin well it has a proprietary charger it's a proprietary charger you have to take it off a little puck that you can like slide onto the whoop itself that is sick it's really cool i like that a lot i will say when i was using it for a bit i would slide it onto the whoop and then just like go about my day that thing slaps into everything every corner you turn around you're you're hitting that but as soon as it's done you take it off and it's right back yeah it's super dope that you don't even have to take it off to charge it yeah really clever so uh 50 meters of water resistance it should have a haptic alarm there's like a bunch of features you would expect in the fitbit air no notifications for andrew though no notifications sorry obviously no screen no time um but yeah as far as competing directly with the Whoop.

1:28:24Marques Brownlee:It feels like this is just like, hey, do the same thing that Whoop does. Give all the same information, but make it cheaper. I'm really excited for this because I've been using the Pixel Watch 3 for a bit and I was paying for the Fitbit premium and I had the whole AI beta coach thing this whole time. And I really liked it, but it required me to wear the Pixel Watch. And it's not that I don't like wearing a Pixel Watch. It's just that I also like wearing regular watches. So whenever I would wear a different watch, I all of a sudden wouldn't get my steps. I wouldn't get my sleep tracking i wouldn't get all these things and it's like it's not a big deal who cares whatever it's not the end of the world but it's just like a nice to have thing and fitbit to me was always that kind of product where you just put it on like when it first came out it was just like a small little thing that you put in a strap a band you could swap out the bands just like this one and it was like one of the first ones to do that and just give you like basic tracking stuff and that's all i've wanted for so long so i'm very glad that you're doing this i'm just very confused that they're killing the fitbit brand which makes no sense to me like the product thing to do yeah that's fair sort of but fitbit is like it has such good brand recognition like oh it's the fitbit you know like now they're turning it into google health with which has like a whole different set of implications and the product is still a fitbit yeah so you're still buying a fitbit but then you have to attach it to google health yes yeah not the fitbit app like if i'm on an iphone and i go to best buy and i buy a fitbit yeah now i need to download a google health app which hits different yeah it's surprising as like a legacy brand that they would want to rename after how many years they have been Fitbit because like like you said I don't think you know a boomer is going to be like what Google's tracking my stuff even though Google's owned them for years and they know what a Fitbit is but they don't know what Google health is or like you know all these other things it feels like a big unnecessary step maybe but if they're trying to consolidate the brand as a whole for all their health stuff I mean I get why they're doing it it's just I feel like Fitbit has such good brand cachet it does yeah I think the one think so whoops obviously already very popular and has been for a long time and i think the biggest advantage i actually see between them now that i i plan on testing them both at the same time side by side and really investigating and digging deep but you're like a little lab rat yeah honestly i'm just gonna wear them both it's gonna be horrible but the thing that whoop has going for it is there's a ton of accessories for it yeah that aren't available at least out the gate right now with a fitbit air i'm sure in two seconds on amazon there'll be a ton of third-party ones absolutely like when you go to buy a whoop there's like oh you want a whoop do you also want a chest strap do you also want like a thousand extra bands and also we have underwear that you could put the whoop in like they have a ton of stuff and the fitbit air there's not even a chest strap or an armband it's just the normal bands on your wrist yet so that's what i'm noticing but i'm going to test them i'll have them side by side so i'll literally a b test like exactly how long the battery life is i'm gonna do the same workouts with both of them i think it'll be really interesting i also think they'll be very similar whoop is really good at the activity auto detection so i'm curious what i like to hear is really good too it's surprising well the apple watch that i've been wearing for a long time is not good at that it does it sometimes like if my gps location is moving for a while and i'm outside then it'll be like oh are you doing an outdoor walk but i could start biking i could start playing ultimate i could start practice i could start running and it doesn't really usually auto start so i'm curious to see how well these will like auto detect and then auto measure and then tag them accurately we'll see whoop to my memory because i haven't use it in like a year or two, I think.

1:31:46Maybe like a year. But it doesn't detect it as you're doing it. Like you have to go through the activity and then afterwards it'll look back on your data and be like, oh, there was elevated heart rate here. And according to their phone, they were outside. So maybe they're doing a run and then it'll like tag it as a run.

1:32:00Marques Brownlee:Right. Exactly. That kind of thing. And then if it tags it wrong, you can adjust it. Yeah. But I do like on the Apple Watch and on like the Pixel Watch, if I'm doing something, it'll just be like, it looks like you're walking. Do you want to start a workout? Like that's pretty cool. The thing on the watches is when you start a workout then it's doing this way way more granular measuring it's doing way more sampling and way more frequent measuring of heart rate and things like that which is why i start the workout manually every time because i want to get that data so i'm curious like if i go start a practice or if i go start a hit workout and then my heart rate drops between sets is it going to go oh don't have to measure anymore that's true not really sure how it's going to go but you said we'll find out i'm gonna so my plan tell me if you like this plan or if this is dumb i'm keep the Apple watch on my right wrist.

1:32:41Marques Brownlee:I don't like it. I'm going to have the Fitbit Air and the Whoop on my left wrist. Okay. And then I'm going to do all my workouts wearing all three. So I have a control because I know what numbers I usually get out of the Apple watch, but I'll do the workouts. I'll do the practices and then I'll get both of the readings from the Whoop and the Fitbit Air and compare them. Can we get you like a chest strap? How do you feel about being chest strapped up? I don't mind that, but the chest strap for the Whoop is probably going to measure differently from the arm strap, the armband for the Fitbit. So that's why I'm keeping them both on the wrist.

1:33:11Marques Brownlee:Okay, yeah, that makes sense. You can do that. You have fun, Sarah. You can wear all three. You sound thrilled for me. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's the best way to probably test it. Would I approach you wearing all three? I might not. No. I'll be repelling people from me for the three weeks that I need to test them. But yeah, hopefully the video's worth it. Mariah, which one are you getting? Probably. I mean, I got Pixel Watch already. So you're not going to get a Fitbit? You're good? I think I'm good. I do enjoy a low barrier to entry. I think a low price point is good, and I don't necessarily need the screen.

1:33:49It is interesting that it does only save the data for 30 days. Is that pretty standard for both of these? Well, I think that saves it on the device for 30 days. So if you forget your phone or your phone breaks or something, it'll still track for 30 days, and then it'll transfer over. Yeah, I don't think I'm going to buy one.

1:34:05Marques Brownlee:You know what's nice about it? You have a Pixel Watch. Yeah. You know what's nice about the Fitbit Air is that also talks to Google Health. And so you can hot swap between them and they will just pick up where the other left off. So if you don't want to wear the Pixel Watch while sleeping, the Fitbit Air can be your sleep tracker. And then you swap back to the watch during the daytime. Yeah. And it'll sort of just keep all the data in line. Which is kind of cool. I just don't think I need to track every moment of my existence and have that data. Wrong. Because I'm not trying to optimize. but I do appreciate the people that want to optimize.

1:34:39Marques Brownlee:I need the data. Yeah. I need to know how many steps I've taken in my lifetime. Yeah. It's very important to me. Got to hit that high score. Yeah. Well, there it is. I mean, yeah. Stay tuned for the video. Obviously, it's in the works, which means I'll be getting my hands on both soon. So TBD. But yeah, I'm just glad I got the points in our little game that we played. Speaking of points, though. My turn. My turn to get points. Time for the actual trivia questions. Here we go. I already forgot all the questions. All right, everybody. Nobody asked except for me, how many Google products and services have the letters B-O-O-K next to each other?

1:35:26And this is closest without going over. Price is right rules. Okay.

1:35:31Marques Brownlee:Have ever existed. Well, there is... there's Facebook, there's the Books Palma, but this is Google-specific products. There's Barnes & Noble's, MacBook Pro. MacBook Pro. All right, who would like to go first? I'll go because I can explain my silly little chart here. All right, what do we got? So my number is six. Okay. I don't actually know the name of six, but I figure there's Chromebook Pixel, there's regular Chromebooks, there's google books there's google book that's four and then there's probably some sort of like a book finder service that they had and then there's probably like a bookings service that they also had okay if there was a booking service that it wasn't it didn't have the word book in it and google books was the book finding service but i will say six is under the number i found so you are technically still in contention okay i had five oh i'm out and you don't care to list any of them um no okay mariah what did you put if it's seven or eight or nine you win well i'm gonna make david so proud um i picked just a really round number lucky 13 unfortunately that is over oh really that is over because i just accidentally spoiled the answer the answer is nine i found nine google products and services they are are you ready i'm ready I actually made, I got a point.

1:37:02The Chromebook.

1:37:03Marques Brownlee:Yeah. The Google Book. Of course. Google Books. Yep. Google Notebook, which is the precursor to Google Key. Notebook LM. No, no, no. Yeah, then Notebook LM. Oh, okay. So Google Notebook and Notebook LM are two things. Then the Chromebook Pixel. Okay. The Pixelbook. Uh-huh. The Pixelbook Go. Yes. And Google Bookmarks. Congratulations. Wow. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Sorry, Andrew. Marquez, this is a big day. Yeah. Because with that point, you have officially passed Andrew. That is. Andrew is now carrying the one like he has for years at 24 points. Marquez is smack dab in the middle of 25 and David is still in first place with a whopping 28 points.

1:37:47All right. This is this is our chance. I'm going to tie it again for you, Andrew.

1:37:54before Gemini was called Gemini it was called what which is a little silly because it was only called this a handful of years ago but maybe we forgot maybe we forgot

1:38:06Marques Brownlee:and I think it was only called this for like months eight months or something yeah and I don't know why they changed it because branding they just thought of a better name like time to kill another thing did they think of a better name though I don't know that to be true Yeah, I don't know. I mean, this was a pretty poor name if it's the one I'm thinking of. I thought it was a great name. I kind of liked it. Okay. All right, Adam, since you think it's such a poor name, why don't you read the poor name first? It's a terrible branding name, not a name. I went with Google Bard. Google Bard. Oh. Yes.

1:38:41I knew that. Marquez, what did you put? I wanted to see what Mariah put. I put Bard. Bard is correct. Nice. Thank you. Mariah, you also put Bard. In hindsight, I did actually know that information, but I was along the astrological sign, so I put, what is Zodiac Killer? Whoa. You spelled Zodiac wrong. Oh, it's the thought. It's the thought. Audio listeners don't know the difference.

1:39:07Marques Brownlee:Bart's a better name. When Google eventually kills Gemini at some point, they can call themselves a Zodiac Killer. Zodiac Killer. There you go. It's available. Yeah. Well, with that. thank you listeners for sticking with us throughout this whole ordeal if you're still here comment i don't know what should they comment marquez pancake mix pancake mix there you go yeah bisquick if you made if you made it this far comment comment pancake mix just just the bisquick and the yeah and the egg and the milk and then the whisk wait how do you say egg nesquick the same thing throw in the oven 350 egg oof egg is crazy egg is a y g is crazy egg How do you guys say it?

1:39:48Egg. Give me an egg for that pancake mix. They sound similar enough to me.

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