The Apple Release Tier List

15:51She should have said, what the f*** do you want today?

15:55David Imel:That's my thing though is people feel so entitled going to fast food already with the workers that if someone's rude, they're probably going to leave a crappy review. We don't need to listen to them 24-7 and have AI follow them. And every Burger King already has a 1.4 star. Who cares? I love Burger King. I love the Whopper, but even I can concede when I'm at a Burger King, when I'm at a Burger King, neither of us want to be there. Neither me nor the employee. So I'm not expecting you to go up over it's fine dude just be rude give me my burger and we'll both go home at some point like that's cool you yeah tell me to f off and just get everything right on the burger probably through the crappy point of sale system and i'm happy i don't care it sounded like you said that's half of what it

16:40Marques Brownlee:was doing the monitoring employees part is ridiculous but the first half you said it was

16:43David Imel:like helping them you can ask it like what ingredients might need to be or like how many pieces of bacon which could be helpful because of how often you know we do limited time offers and stuff like that, but it'd probably be easier to just ask the employer standing next to that knows how to do it already. There's a picture on the wall by the station. It'll remind you to put glue on the pizza. That sounds like the AI that Marquez installed at all of our desks to track us. You made a good point. One of the big AI gaffes last year was it not knowing how to make food. It was like, oh, my cheese is not sticking to the pizza.

17:20What do I do? And it was like, use Elmer's glue. Yeah, that's probably not, it's probably not trained on Reddit. It's probably trained on, you know, recipes. It's trained on Reddit? Oh, God. No, but also - It's not, it's not. I know.

17:28David Imel:There is one thing that I thought did maybe sound a little helpful, which is apparently in the headset, you can say that you're out of an item and it should be able to update the drive-thru menu, all the kiosks, all the point of sale systems. So that could be really helpful unless you go and ask one of your employees, hey, are we out of bacon? And I guess accident, I don't know how it works, but I could see that being like, why do you even need AI for that? It is easier. Dude, the amount of times working at a restaurant where the kitchen hasn't told the servers yet that something is out and it hasn't updated the systems yet and then a bunch of orders come in and you're out of it and then you have to go back to the table and explain to them it's out.

18:06David Imel:So that would be kind of nice, but other than that, this sounds awful. Fast food workers have it hard enough. Let them maybe chat about their lives without worrying that everything is recorded. Dude, that's horrible. What if they're just super rude And then at the end, they go, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Have a good day, have a good day, have a good day. It's like Rocket League in my eyes. Like the Rocket League to cut down on toxicity. They made all the quick checks and that is still the most toxic thing possible. When you like miss a goal, it's like nice, nice kick. What a shot, what a shot.

18:34David Imel:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Great save. And it's just like ultra sarcastic. That's how this feels like. I play the Pokemon trading card game Pocket on my phone. No, no, no. You are addicted to the Pokemon trading card game Pocket. It's the one thing that I have, Adam. Please let me have it, okay? I start something I stick with it for my life okay anyway there's like they Nintendo really did not want people to be able to be talking to each other they really didn't so you cannot you cannot message each other in any way so even if you're trading somebody you can't say like oh I don't want this or I want this like you can label things that are start anyway the whole thing people have still found a way by basically you battle somebody and if you beat them some sometimes they'll like initiate a trade with you and just trade you like the most basic card ever and then say thanks and that's just like the way that people are toxic toxicity always finds a way it's crazy they're like cockroaches yeah yeah anyway yeah this is this is hell i i think that the only way that a lot of employees of a lot of jobs get through the day is by having camaraderie with their colleagues and just knowing that even though it's like an ai model just knowing that there is something that is always listening to what comes out of my mouth while I'm at work is freaking terrifying.

19:49And the only reason this exists is because Burger King was like, we got to get our stock up and AI is the only way to do this.

19:55Marques Brownlee:I got to tell our investors that we're making the company better and using AI to do it. Leveraging AI. This is the thing I thought of. Burger King is not the fast food place where people are mean to you. That's Popeye's. And frankly, I wouldn't want that to change. I know they're pretty mean at the KFC Taco Bell combo near me. Yeah. But that's okay. They're allowed to be. Yeah, they have split personality. I don't care. I really don't care. I do remember, well, yeah, the kiosks are nice, but sometimes you go in. I remember I walked in. I don't know if it was a Burger King, so I shouldn't say it was Burger King, but I remember walking to fast food on a late night road trip and the employee just goes, what?

20:28Marques Brownlee:That was Burger King. I know that was Burger King. It was either McDonald's or Burger King and I was like, nice, nice. Yeah. Yeah. Incredible.

20:36David Imel:All right, we are now 20-something minutes in. volume and burger AI. I don't know. Well, I've talked about everything I know this episode. Cool. I think next we're going to go down the Apple new devices tier list because all of the reviews are out. Well, not all the reviews. There's a number of reviews out now. All of the products and bargos have lifted. You can find reviews online everywhere. We put a couple out. We're still working on a couple. But I think that we're going to go through all seven of them and we're going to rank them from best to worst.

21:07Marques Brownlee:So I had a question about that. Yeah. When you say rank them, because there's seven here. Yeah. I'll just go through the seven. Just real quick. iPad Air got the M4 chip, iPhone 17E, Studio Display, Studio Display XDR, M5 MacBook Air, M5 Pro and M5 Max MacBook Pros, and MacBook Neo. Yeah. Now, when you say rank them, are we ranking them based on how good of an update they are? Are we ranking them based on just how good they are, period? I would just say, like, excitement of the launch. Excitement of the launch. Yeah. Okay, I can do that. Like people being stoked for this product to come out and exist.

21:40Oh, I can do that right now.

21:41David Imel:Or even you being stoked for this product. Oh, that's different. People? I care more about your thoughts. I think Marques' number one is probably, I'm going to guess, the Studio Display XDR. I'm interested to hear what Marques' excitement is. iPhone 17e. He's so hyped for this.

21:55Marques Brownlee:I can do both. I can do both my excitement. iPad Air M4. And I've seen a lot of commentary online on these, so I can do both my excitement level and the general public's excitement level for these. Yeah, for sure. Which do you want to do first?

22:07David Imel:Um, I like yours first. My personal? That's two things David and I didn't discuss and said at the same time, by the way. We're just on the same page. You finish each other's sandwiches.

22:17Marques Brownlee:Thank you.

22:18David Imel:He finished it for me. From top to bottom.

22:22Marques Brownlee:All right, so my personal excitement level, number one is the Studio Display XDR. And it's because I am personally using the product right now that this replaces. And that's the only, it's the only thing, well, other than the MacBook Pro, that's true about this list. um i kind of like the pro display xdr it looks really good it's also only 60 hertz and no the the xdr is 120 right the one i'm using now sorry the pro display xdr oh the pro yeah the one i'm using now which is discontinued officially uh which i bought like seven eight years however many years ago it came out yeah uh looks really good the nano texture is amazing uh it's got these thinner bezels i don't need a web camera speakers in it's a great display but it's only 60 hertz and so this new display comes out and it is better in every single way on paper other than being smaller so it's a 5k 27 inch display instead of a 6k 32 inch display that being said it's better in every single way and it's cheaper by like 2 000 and it is cheaper and it comes with a stand so that's what i was most excited about and i'm thinking i'm going to be switching slash upgrading to these yeah how do you feel about the size that's what i'm

23:32David Imel:the most wondering. That's, especially double, that's a big difference in screen real estate.

23:37Marques Brownlee:I have a pretty set way that I use my dual displays now. I'm a dual display guy. I always have my primary, which is mostly my web browser, email, and whatever I'm working on. And then on the right, I have a bunch of other things like Slack and my to-do list and calendar and much of other stuff that sits over there.

23:50David Imel:Wow, good to know we're not your priority. Well, when Slack notifications come in,

23:54Marques Brownlee:I'm on top of it. It's always open. Anyway, I think I can work with slightly less real estate because of the way I manage what I'm doing. I don't need. I wish it was a 32-inch display. I'd be happier. But I will still have enough. So that's my number one as a Studio Display XDR. Right underneath that is MacBook Neo. I was fascinated by it, curious to test it. You can see on the podcast video, users are aware that it's been in front of me this whole time. Underneath that is M5 Pro and Max MacBook Pros. Are made for each other. More piss. They seem to have a surprising performance bump in a couple interesting ways.

24:30Marques Brownlee:storage read write speeds are insane i read the verges review and they said they were getting like 18 000 megabytes per second reads and writes i was like wait 18 000 or 1800 18 000 yeah i was getting 1500 yeah 1500 on the neo and i was getting like 3000 on my macbook pro and 18 000 is crazy so as someone who works with big files i was curious about that then i'd go down to the The last four are kind of tied for me, I guess. Do I like any one of them more? Let's go M5 Mac. Wait, should I just make this fourth or seven? Yeah, the rest is just they're all tied.

25:06David Imel:Nah, man.

25:06Marques Brownlee:I think 17E is over the, like, studio display is just the same thing. My personal excitement. I mean, I'm excited to review it, but, like.

25:16David Imel:It's what it should have been.

25:17Marques Brownlee:That's true. Yeah, I agree. I mean, as far as how good of a product it is, I agree. so I yeah you could go 17e then macbook air then then ipad air with m4 and studio display last yeah yeah now general excitement from the public is macbook neo number one by far which is why they saved it for the last day i think this is probably true about uh cheap devices in general which is why weirdly enough iphone 17e is probably number two as far as volume of chatter that i've seen about this. Number three is people talking about the studio displays a lot. Not necessarily because they're excited to buy them, but because of how big of a difference there is between the interest of studio display XDR and regular studio display.

26:01Marques Brownlee:A lot of people are disappointed with the regular studio display because it's still a 60 hertz panel. They didn't really change much. They updated the speakers and Thunderbolt 5 on the back, and that's kind of it. And the cameras. And it's still$1 ,600 and 60 hertz. So the Studio Display XDR is the interesting one, but it's$3 ,300. So it's not like people are going out and buying this a lot, but they're interested in it because it's the new one or different one.

26:26David Imel:The biggest thing that kind of sucks about it going to 27 inches for people who just want to use one monitor, I guess like two monitors, it feels really big, but like 32 inches on one monitor, I have so much screen real estate to do separate things, and now 27 is quite a bit smaller. Yeah, it is.

26:41Marques Brownlee:Yeah, and the bezels are a little thicker, and it's, yeah, it's just a little bit less room.

26:45David Imel:And a lot of people spending that price probably only want to buy one monitor.

26:49Marques Brownlee:Yeah, when you're spending that much money, you want the best possible monitor. But I said it in my review of the XDR. It's like, there are no other 27-inch 5K, 2000-nit mini LED 120 hertz options.

27:00David Imel:That's like the, this guy scored four goals on a Thursday in March kind of stack.

27:04Marques Brownlee:But all of the things are really great, like what you want. Like, scored four goals and... Thursday games I usually lose. Yeah, like, and won the game and had a cool haircut and, like, had a sweet jersey, whatever. Like, it's a bunch of cool things all in one that you can't really find anywhere else. So that's, I think, number three. And then it kind of tapers off maybe, hmm.

27:29David Imel:Probably MacBook Pro over Air just because, like, people, half the people who really liked Air liked it because it was the cheapest thing. Now Neo's there, so MacBook Pros are like, maybe you are the person who's waited a few generations to get the new one and you're looking for it.

27:40Marques Brownlee:True, there's a ton of people on M1 generation MacBooks right now. And every time a new generation comes out, they all look around and go, is it now worth an upgrade? Because the M1 is so much better than whatever they had before and it was a huge leap. So they've had M1 through the last six years of Apple Silicon and now M5, they're finally looking around like, is now the time I should upgrade? and it's closing in on maybe it's finally worth jumping it's still expensive but like M5 Air is 1100 bucks now if you have an M1 Air should you go to an M5 Air you still kind of don't have to but it's starting to get there I think M2 M3 really did not sell very well because everyone bought the M1 and M1 Max being like I don't have to ever get this for like 7 to 10 years like that was the whole thing like I blew like 5 grand on an M1 16 inch MacBook Pro with four terabytes of storage because I was like, it's still kicking.

28:36It's still kicking. Yeah, and I remember you stressed about it at the time, but look at how long it's lasted you. I know, exactly. Yeah, I think with the M5 MacBook Pros, the new Fusion architecture is kind of a big deal. You can move data way faster. There's more GPUs. It's kind of turning into like a serious, serious workhorse. And I know that it's not upgradable in any given way, but yeah, I think people are finally starting to feel like maybe it's worth upgrading, especially those people that are doing like coding in AI tasks where they just want to have that stuff accelerated. This stuff is very, very good at that.

29:06Now, obviously, we have the rumor that the M6 Pro and M6 Max are coming out later this year, like in November.

29:12Marques Brownlee:Isn't that awkward? So you know who's in an interesting spot right now? Mariah. I was going to bring it up. Who edits here, as you guys probably know. Her editing machine is an M1 Max MacBook Pro. Yeah. And it's just like yours. It's been cooking. You know, it's been very capable and it's gotten the job done. and plenty of edits have happened on that computer. But like I said, it's getting up to the time where it's like, wow, okay, 12 to 25 % every year. Now it's stacking up. Maybe M5 is the chance to upgrade and actually feel that difference. But now that there's that crazy MacBook Ultra rumor on the horizon, it's like, well, maybe that's the one to wait for instead.

29:51Marques Brownlee:And I don't know if that's gonna be an M5 Max or an M6 Max or if they'll even get to M6 by then or if it's just the OLED that we want it for. Either way, for people who are like maxing out a laptop as their main machine, maxing, then that's the carrot at the end of the stick right now.

30:09David Imel:Mariah specifically wants a touchscreen.

30:11Marques Brownlee:Oh.

30:11David Imel:Does she actually? Really? No, Mariah was all in on updating and then Alex was like, no, no, no, don't do it. German just said that. Like the M6 Ultra is coming out later. I was like, oh my God, Mariah is going to retire and still have that M1.

30:24Marques Brownlee:I mean, isn't she still running a Pixel 6? Yes. yeah but the like getting work done machine no i know like the gains from m1 max to m5 max will be pretty good for sure it'd be nice i just i wonder if she doesn't need the touch screen necessarily and then doesn't need the the notch to be gone and have it be replaced with a potentially touch id like uh it's gonna be a dynamic island i don't know if it matters for her that much especially if the gains i we don't even know if it will actually be m6 pro and max and even if it is, how much better is that than M5 Pro and Max? Maybe it's not that much better and they focus on enabling things like the touchscreen and these different things and maybe some AI workload things if they ever release Apple Intelligence.

31:08Stuff like that. Yeah, it is an awkward thing, especially when it's like we're not even we're like nine months away from this potential launch. Nine or ten months away. Potential launch. Big word there too. Big word and it could get pushed. There's all the RAM shortage. There's all that stuff. This is a whole other angle to all of this is that Apple was able to reduce the price of most of their devices amid the global RAM shortage, which is insane. Every other computer, every other phone is going up in price, and Apple was like, here's a $600 laptop. We're going to reduce the price of the display, which also has by the way, the display has an 819 in it, so it has 16 gigs of RAM.

31:50It's more than the Neo. The display has, sorry, yeah, 12, 12 kids of RAM. It has more RAM than the Neo. Yeah. Which is wild. As it should.

31:59David Imel:I don't, I guess it's cheaper. It is very different. But then the Air did go up 100 bucks, right? Well, they just, they got rid of the base model. So it's actually, it's$100 cheaper. But there is no base model. And it's$100 cheaper than the second model up from last year. It's the weird version of a price.

32:19Marques Brownlee:Technically, so it's like, yeah, it's a price. Their margin is better on the base one now because storage doesn't cost them much, but they're giving you more storage for the upgraded price. So the price of entry is higher, but you get more storage. And it used to be$200 to get that much more storage last year.

32:35David Imel:How long do you think they eat the price until they have to raise it? This is my question. I don't know how long Tim Cook makes these deals for like storage and flash. And I would guess a year and a half, maybe two years. so it's like very possible that by the end of the year this is going to be way more expensive i mean we already knew that this macbook ultra or whatever it is it's supposed to be much more expensive than this one and i think that that's what potentially makes the m5 still doable for people and maybe why they're going to release both in the same year is that they're priced differently enough that it's like m5 m5 max are still insanely good if you want top top top of the line m6 m6 ultra or whatever Macs.

33:17I don't know. Damn, their price ladder is crazy. Big boy. Can I make a side bet here?

33:23Marques Brownlee:All these rumors on this new laptop. Name seems to be floating M something like MacBook Ultra. I firmly believe it should be Studio. It's a MacBook Studio?

33:37David Imel:You don't think that's too confusing? They already have a Mac Studio.

33:40Marques Brownlee:They already have a well, the lineup name is already confusing enough that I

33:44David Imel:think this is fine you can't do ultra because it can't be unless that's a chip well if it only has the ultra chip yeah it would have to because if they absolutely can do ultra macbook ultra with

33:55Marques Brownlee:m6 pro would be really confusing or could be m5 ultra so that's the first question is are they going to put an ultra chip in a laptop that is such a powerful chip and so much gpu they've never put it in a laptop before i don't know if they would they've only done pro and max and base but if they do and they name the laptop the ultra that's a little crazy well i guess if they only put the ultra chip yeah macbook ultra which only has the ultra chip that could make sense macbook pro max with the ultra chip and the pro and max chips are not in the pro max i'm locking in give me a 17 inch 100 see macbook ultra but doesn't have an ultra chip doesn't matter no one cares about the chip if you're just buying a laptop.

34:37Marques Brownlee:If you're buying a$3 ,800 MacBook Pro. It's the same way that you're buying the Apple Watch Ultra.

34:43David Imel:Most people don't know what chip is inside of it. It's just the Ultra one. That's the one I get. That's fair.

34:47Marques Brownlee:Yes, but in computers, I do think there's some part of you that's like, why am I getting the MacBook Ultra over the MacBook Pro? Yeah, and it'll be like some crazy web browser. The answer is the screen and the chip. It's going to be the fastest, best-looking screen.

35:02David Imel:But it doesn't necessarily mean that it has to have the Ultra chips specifically just like a super pimp out like regular max it's too even in their own naming scheme like they just released the like m5 max book pro wow i guess there is the macbook pro though with m5 pro right so there is a pro pro and a pro there's a macbook pro with a pro and there's a pro with a max neo's looking like there is no ultra the more i look at i'm just saying i

35:29Marques Brownlee:do think as weird as their naming is already i don't think they can get away with naming it macbook ultra and not putting the ultra chip in it that's all i'm saying so i think they have to name it something else and i think studio is the name that's that's my weird thing about studio is that now they have the studio display that's kind of mid and it's not like insanely amazing and then they have the studio display xdr that's really good so that's kind of weird right yeah display is not mid i mean it's beautiful it's an it's still it's still really nice i think both can be

36:03David Imel:true yeah both can be mine is horribly broken but no the new one no no no it's the same as the old one it's still the studio display so that's like the kind of weird thing is like studio kind of means pro but there is still the studio and studio pro xdr pretty much but xdr is the name of it it's the macbook xdr but it's already that's possible but it's already xdr the map but now it's the name

36:26Marques Brownlee:true yeah is the OLED one extra XDR I don't know XXDR the pro ultra XDR it's not even called a MacBook anymore the special thing about this laptop is going to be the screen so I wouldn't be surprised if the name is something about the screen and OLED right I think it's supposed to be an OLED so they're gonna that's so weird because now they have like mini LED in the laptop already which looks phenomenal which looks phenomenal and then now they finally put it in the bigger display and it is easier to make smaller screens like this so like they start with like really small and then they slowly go up but it kind of feels like now they're like they've got multiple generations of screen technologies and you have to just you have to just know which one is better and oled didn't used to be better until they increased the brightness and the refresh rate because OLEDs used to be hard to make bright and fast, and now you can.

37:23So it's just...

37:24David Imel:It is interesting how you just said how the new Studio Display XDR matches with a MacBook screen way better now when you're using it in that mode, and to then make the highest-level laptop and highest-level monitor now would be different screens again. Which needs... This is Pixel Ultra all over again. This thing's not coming out. Would they release the Studio Display XDR again, but with OLED later? it's like a weird ladder thing and maybe they do that on purpose to make you always buy the new one when it comes out stagger the releases I guess I'm still confused why the touch screen is going to be in the pro pro version of a MacBook touch screen feels like more of a

38:00Marques Brownlee:casual feature I agree which is why I never wanted it in the first place

38:06David Imel:so you two are not allowed to buy this if it comes out I'm probably still going to I think kind of a sneaky update is the M5 Air because it's crazy that the air used to be the computer that people were like this used to be the neo where people were like you can't really do like really serious video editing etc etc on it but the m5 is like super capable yes and if you have one of those laptops you can do pretty crazy video editing like the m5 is probably just as good in many ways as the m1 like like pro or max was

38:40Marques Brownlee:yeah yeah it was it's an eye opener like actually using the neo and just trying to find the performance ceiling and seeing that it'll just you can just open final cut and just throw a bunch of pro res videos from your iphone in there and you are you're doing it you're editing 4k video on a macbook neo like it's happening so that's that's already crazy it's it's benchmarking around m1 levels of performance with this chip so m5 is is big multi-threaded jumps big screen improvement yeah the gpus are way way more gpu it's going to be a better like it's a really good machine yeah so yeah so okay wait i have a question for you guys now that the macbook neo is out uh-huh

39:18David Imel:which one do you recommend the neo or the air for who for who yeah for the neo i don't have

39:25Marques Brownlee:to answer that random college student walks up to you like i'm starting college next week which one for i mean the the new default is neo yeah so it's like for the 97 90 something percent of people, I'm starting with Neo and then going, what do you want to do on this laptop? And if I hear something that they say that sounds like Neo couldn't handle it, then I'll bump you up to an Air. Because it used to be Air. And then when you hear the thing, you bump them up to a Pro. Yeah. So now what is that ladder? So now it's like the Air can do 99 % of what most people need to do on a laptop. And if you're coming to me and asking what laptop you should get, because you're not like in the weeds doing the research, that probably means a Neo can handle everything you're doing unless you want a bigger screen uh the air has a 15 inch yeah you have a 15 inch air if you want a bigger screen sure yeah uh but the second you say something like i have these these projects that i i want to do and my current computer is too slow for them then i'm like okay now you need to figure out if the neo can handle that or not yeah and sometimes it's like a pretty big you know you know people are coding with like way heavier llm stuff and bigger ai projects and they want more local memory and sometimes they're playing bigger games and sometimes they're doing more stuff, then Air can probably handle it.

40:31Marques Brownlee:And at the very, very peak of that is I am doing professional projects that I make money from and MacBook Air is the answer.

40:39David Imel:I say this because I still think to me the answer is still MacBook Air. I think the same way that people need to convince me for me to recommend them a pro, I need to be convinced to recommend you a Neo. Why? I still think that the Air is just a safe bet for anyone. If I know nothing about what you're going to do - It's so much more expensive. It is a safe bet. That's not that much more. Look at how long you keep M1 for. I know. It's almost double the price. It's almost double the price. Yeah, that's fair. I think anecdotally, the scenario to me is not so much as that. It's usually the parent of the kid about to leave high school and go to college asking me what laptop should I get my kid.

41:16David Imel:And the two reasons I've convinced them to spend extra money because it's usually the parent's money. So they don't want to spend more to go MacBook Air in the past. because if you're already asking me what MacBook or what laptop to buy, you don't know a lot. So you buying that means you can also bring it to an Apple store when something happens to it. So now I can recommend a much easier to digest price point for a parent. And with the benefit of like wherever your kid goes to college, there's probably an Apple store within 40 minutes of them to go fix it. It's really hard not to do.

41:47Marques Brownlee:That's super valid. I'll also say without knowing the breakdown of how much each laptop sells. The way I think about it is like, if you want the true safest bet, money, no object, like 14-inch MacBook Pro is good enough for 99 % of people to cover them. If you want MacBook Air M5, that's gonna cover 93 % of people and MacBook Neo is gonna cover 85 % of people. And so if I just wanna recommend the thing that works for everyone, okay, yeah, MacBook Pro is gonna do it, but you could probably start with the Neo. And then if you're in the sliver of people who that can't cover, then you bump up. Yeah.

42:26Marques Brownlee:That's how I think about it. Yeah. And it is crazy with that education discount, too. Yeah. I still think everybody should probably get the Touch Bar 512 gigabyte version. That's the other thing. If you need more storage. Oh, Touch ID. Touch ID. I was like, wait a minute. Bring back that Touch Bar. Now, yeah, if you need more storage, this only comes with 256 and 512. So I would definitely recommend getting the 512 unless you're apparently like my sister and do everything on the cloud. My actual thing that I say to people is I go, look at how much storage you're using right now on your current computer.

42:56Marques Brownlee:Like four or five years in, how much storage are you using? Assume that you'll use 50 % more and get enough to cover that. Yeah. Because you're going to have it for four or five more years. Just do that. So I was just like literally talking to someone the other day who has like 128 gigs used out of their 256. Like you can get another 256 computer and be fine for the next four or five years. For most people, it's like photos and stuff too. Yep. I don't know about on a laptop but yeah the other thing is like the touch ID a lot easier to log into your computer every time you open it by touching it as opposed to typing your password every single time.

43:31If you have an Apple Watch obviously you can set it up so it automatically unlocks if you have your Apple Watch with you but it is frustrating to have to type your password every single time so that is something but yeah pretty crazy I think we talked about we talked about pretty much everything right You know what else we do every time? We do trivia. Trivia. Yeah. I was going to talk about the M4 iPad Air. There's really nothing to say. You just said everything about it. It's the iPad Air. It has an M4. Yes, indeed. Let's move on. Trivia, dude. All right. So after the break, we're going to talk potentially.

44:10I thought we were going to talk about it before the break, but the new Honor robot phone, which they should not be calling a robot phone because there's nothing. There's robotics. Have you seen the verge article?

44:20David Imel:The verge article basically has the same thought as you. What's the robot part of this? The verge just jocking my swag. What else is new? Just kidding. I love those guys. But my question is amidst all the robot phone stuff, honor dropped a press release that I did not see anyone mention in their articles, which is honor is partnering with a camera company. Yes. what camera company is it? I remember. Can we answer right now? No. How did I miss this?

44:54Marques Brownlee:Oh, I do. Oh, I know, I know, I know. I remember. I'm going to write down. Too much thinking. I think I know what it is. Alright, answers will be at the end. Like usual, we'll be right back.

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48:16There's a lot of weird stuff coming out there. One of those things was the Honor Robot phone, which we had. Yes, beep, beep, boop. We had shown this phone off a number of months ago because they showed off a little concept. So we talked about it briefly. But now it's out in the wild, sort of. It's attached to tables. You can't really, you know, take it around. But effectively what this is, is it's a phone that has a built-in DJI Osmo Pocket in it. It's like a little gimbal thing that you can, you know, you can like swerve around. It unfolds out of the phone. Unfolds out of the phone, which is very crazy.

48:51So, yeah, it's weird. They claim that it's 70 % smaller than the competition. We're guessing that the competition is the Osmo Pocket. Yeah, they just said competition. I was like, gimbal in a smartphone?

49:04David Imel:What's the competition here? It doesn't look 70 % smaller than an Osmo because an Osmo is really – it's definitely smaller than an Osmo, but an Osmo is small. Unless they're talking about, like, actual gimbals. Maybe that's the competition. I'm not sure.

49:18Marques Brownlee:I think they're referring to the literal like gimbal mechanism. Yeah. To like fold it into a phone. Something that's already small, 70 % smaller is not. Yeah.

49:27David Imel:Yeah, true. The way it comes out is the back of the phone has a kind of plateau. And then weirdly enough, all the cameras are on the right side of the plateau, which we're not used to seeing. And then the left side has a stagger, almost like a step, because that needs to, half of it needs to slide over the right side. and then it flips up on top of the phone. Kind of like, remember Essential had that 360 cam that connected with pogo pins on the back and was up on the top? Yeah. Like that, but it's an Osmo. It also kind of looks like that Insta360 webcam that kind of follows you around. The link kind of follows you around.

50:03It's like that. Yeah, it's strange. They say it's the smallest four degrees of freedom gimbal in the industry. And the bump is already pretty big, but it makes the bump very deep into the phone.

50:16David Imel:The wobble must be nuts on that phone.

50:18Marques Brownlee:Yeah. Okay, there's a lot of things that are gonna be nuts on this phone. Yeah. One, the wobble of putting it on a table. Two, trying to put this in your pocket and not like yank the thing apart. You know how when you put your phone in your pocket and like the lip of your pocket catches the camera lens? What happens on this phone? That's another thing. Yeah. I just, I think there's a reason why they don't let people hold this thing. If you watch all the hands-on videos, none of them are hands-on. They're just pointing at the phone like on a stick, on a stand. in Mobile World Congress. And then also, okay, so I got briefed on this phone.

50:48Marques Brownlee:I talked to them about this, and they're explaining why it's called a robot phone. Do you guys know why it's called a robot phone? Kind of. It's sort of a robot. Does it nod at you? Does it nod at you? It nods at you. Almost. That's pretty much it. Almost. The camera itself, obviously the gimbal will move it out and point around and do all sorts of stuff like that and can follow you. But also when you're not using it as a camera, it kind of becomes this anthropomorphic face and nods and shakes its head and responds to your queries with sounds. So you can ask it, do you think my outfit is nice?

51:22Marques Brownlee:And it will nod and go, yeah, nice outfit by moving the gimbal to shake the camera up and down. That's why it's the best.

51:29David Imel:I would love if it just judged me by what I was looking at on my phone and it could like look down at the screen and look back at me and just like shake its head.

51:36Marques Brownlee:That's the first thought I had is would it ever say no? Like if you go, hey, gimbal, robot phone, do you like my outfit? And it looks at you and goes, mm-mm. It just folds back up. I don't like it. That would be hilarious. Yeah. But yeah, apparently it'll, yeah, respond to your queries. They are apparently also developing an accessory to clip it to your backpack. So I think the point of this is that you should be able to use voice commands to do different actions. and it can be kind of this, you clip for your phone to your backpack and then you have like a POV thing going on on your back or maybe on your front.

52:08David Imel:Like the Osmo, people like to clip it onto a backpack. Yeah. This feels like such a 2026 phone launch of, hey, we actually put some crazy hardware on this prototype phone and let's still tell you about all the weird AI things it can do instead of that we fit a gimbal inside. No, it'll pay attention if we don't say AI.

52:26Marques Brownlee:So AI, AI. Yeah. They are using a 200 megapixel camera, which I assume is primarily used for insane video stabilization because you're not going to use all 200 megapixels. You're going to crop the hell into that thing. Yeah, it's weird. Apparently, it's going to come out. This is my... Allegedly. Or is it going to come out in China only for$3 ,000 in limited supply or is it going to come out? Probably. Okay, they suggested a global release in the future was a possibility, but they have no timeline.

53:01David Imel:This is a long shot, but have any of you played the Star Wars Fallen Order game, Jedi Fallen Order? No. There's a robot, the BD-1, that it's just a little camera guy that like hangs around your backpack and shoulder. If they can make this, that, I'm all in. Just give me that little robot with a camera. I think it just screws your phone up, so it's still way too big. And your phone camera bump is like a double plateau, essentially on one side. This thing has IP68? No shot. Do not bring it to the beach. It could, it could, it could.

53:33Marques Brownlee:I've seen gimbals get wet.

53:34David Imel:It could probably hold a full shot of water inside of the empty cavity when it's popped out.

53:41Marques Brownlee:Drones are mostly, you can, no you can't. It can do one thing where like, you can get them wet. A little, allegedly. Not like submerge them or anything, but you can, you can. I don't know. I can't. I don't know the, That will be a drone that comes out eventually is a drone that can land in water and then can jet around like a boat. That will happen. If robot vacuums have anything to do with it. See what Google has to say about it. Mavic drones do not have an official IP range. It's funny that this comes out. IP 55, light rain, Mavic 40. People do fly light rain. For sure. And through like fog, which is basically rain.

54:21Yeah. It's a whole other conversation.

54:24Marques Brownlee:What is rain? Dense fog is like... A cloud actually. Basically, a cloud is basically... See, a cloud is when it condenses enough to precipitate, but the fog -

54:31David Imel:You're getting him to talk about weather?

54:32Marques Brownlee:We have to be very careful here. That's my bad. I saw the road that I was going down, and I decided not to go down. It's that meme of the car pivoting to the right. Weather apps. Back to the podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. So, yeah. I don't know. It could be interesting. Well, we'll - We'll see when it comes out. We'll see when it comes out. Now, we have to talk about the thing that we glazed over a little bit last week. We briefly mentioned it, but we wanted to go a little bit deeper in this. Meta is allegedly sending your video feed from your Meta AI Ray-Man glasses to an analysis facility in Kenya.

55:09And people are being, yes, do not do that. People are being forced to watch videos that they shouldn't be watching. Lots of intimate scenes. Lots of people using the bathroom. Very weird. Banking details. Banking details. and you know I just think we probably shouldn't have cameras strapped to our faces all the time but maybe that's just me and um meta is the one that a few weeks ago had that leaked internal memo where they were like there's a lot of bad going on in the world right now which means it's perfect time to launch these ai features that people do not want so so I didn't read this

55:45Marques Brownlee:article uh but I do have questions if you guys have I guess my first question is when you said like feed, camera feed, do you mean like not live feed, but stuff you take pictures of or stuff you ask AI about? What is involved?

55:59David Imel:There's a long article. One we'll post it in the show notes because everyone should read it. It's a Swedish newspaper that did this investigation. From what I remember and from what I wrote down, it seems like it's the majority of the time they're seeing it is when you're activating AI features and not even always just like the AI features of like use the context of the camera, but essentially you ask it an AI question, it isn't showing the recording thing because you're not just doing the video recording, and people don't know how long it's continuing to use the context of video and audio. And so what it's doing, the reason it's getting sent to this company called Sama, S-A-M-A, they're located in Kenya, is there are people there in an office who are using that feed to help label different things to help teach Metis.ai.

56:47David Imel:Yeah, there's data annotators. So yeah, they're circling objects. So you can tell the street signs, you can tell a car so you can tell a person. And it's just helping build that. The issue is, is these people are saying the stuff they're seeing is like banking details on cards. They're seeing private conversations that could be about all sorts of different stuff, legal and or illegal. They're seeing one example was somebody asked it a question and then put their glasses down on the nightstand. And then their wife walked out of the bathroom naked. and they're seeing all these different, you know, sexual intercourse, people going to the bathroom, people in changing rooms, all these different extremely private things are being sent to this facility in Kenya where data annotators can then see all these really private moments.

57:32Marques Brownlee:My next question was going to be like, why is the data getting sent back? So it's not just like, oh, this is some like mischievous thing that they're doing. is that specifically they've decided to use humans to help correct or maybe point out things to the AI to train it to make it better.

57:50David Imel:Yeah, very poorly compensated humans because there's a lot of really, there's a ton of also investigations about that company charging X amount and paying the actual employees fractions of what they're charging. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if that's awesome. So that's another thing. The employees aren't allowed like phones and stuff in the office, but at the same time, I'm like, I don't care what it is. I just don't want people seeing potentially stuff like that, especially when you don't know when it's ever recording this stuff.

58:19Marques Brownlee:That's the last question, which is it's not just when you're asking the AI for a visual match.

58:25David Imel:You don't know when that ends after you ask it. You don't know when that ends. We did a little test in the office to see what would trigger various indicator lights on the camera. Because obviously when you say meta, take a picture, the ring around the camera lights up. Yes. If you say so, I looked at Mariah and I said, what meta? Sorry, I don't want to trigger anyone's thing, but there's like a key phrase. Yeah, I don't remember what it is, but Mr. AI bought what is six plus two? And the camera light did not come on because that question should not require the camera. Then I asked it, what color is the person in front of me's shirt?

59:00And the light still did not come on. So there's no feedback when the AI, there's no camera feedback to either the user. There's a prompt light, but the prompt light comes on anytime the thing is being prompted. So that also, so the point is, is that like, you don't actually know when the camera is firing. Like the camera could have been recording data and sending that to Meta when I asked it what six plus two is.

59:24David Imel:It wouldn't surprise me because in order for context aware, you know, AI through the camera to answer you as fast as possible, you should launch the camera and audio immediately once you trigger the word, right? Or else then you have to wait for it.

59:39Marques Brownlee:It's a different type of, well, just from my experience, it's a different type of prompt. I think you literally say, hey, Em, look and tell me. And when you start that, then it fires up the camera. But even to be faster. I just had to say, hey, Em, what color is the person's shirt in front of me? And it gave me the correct answer. So clearly the camera was turned on. And I tested that multiple times to make sure it wasn't a fluke. Like how many people are in the room? Are the lights on? and I never said look and tell me. It was just like there.

1:00:03David Imel:Yeah, so a couple extra things in here is like Meta's attempt at privacy here is that their own systems are blurring faces before it goes to these data annotators. But they are also saying that depending on lighting conditions and stuff that those blurs don't work all the time. It's pretty often that they see people just and their faces and everything like that, which maybe they need data annotators to check to work on their AI to send to other data annotators. But it just... This is all really yicky. I mean, and in their terms of service, they're saying this is fine because it says, in some cases, meta will review your interactions with AIs, including the content of your conversations with or messages to AI.

1:00:47David Imel:And this review can be automated or manual parentheses human.

1:00:50Marques Brownlee:So and no one will know when it's human. You don't know when you're using a product, but you don't know when you can't opt out of this either through the AI.

1:00:57David Imel:There is some other privacy options you can opt out of through some other stuff on meta Ray-Bans. But through AI, there's no opt out as far as I'm concerned. when I'm reading this right now. Opt out would be smart to add. It would be. Yeah. It should be opt in. It should be opt in.

1:01:13Marques Brownlee:Yeah. I mean, all Samsung, like I just remember it reviewing S26 Ultra, all of these features of like Galaxy AI stuff, they're all on by default and they also will all use the internet by default. But at the very bottom, there's a little button you can check, which is do all of this on device, which does limit some of its functionality, but it is an option that you can check, which is to never have any of this stuff leave your device. Obviously, if you're editing photos or doing any of that stuff, maybe you want to check that box. So yeah, I agree that opting everyone in by default is ridiculous.

1:01:44David Imel:Well, and it's why they're selling these, right? Because this is all training metas AI.

1:01:48Marques Brownlee:They want as much data, yeah.

1:01:49David Imel:They want as much data. You're wearing it all the time. You're probably accessing the AI stuff. It's just going to record, and now you pay a bunch of people horrible wages to then help it wrongly tell the color of my co-worker's shirt later. And it sort of seems like it's meant to be confusing on purpose. One of the parts of the article was going to Luxonica stores, which is the company that makes the glasses part of it, and asking a bunch of sales reps about where this data gets stored. And a bunch of them were like, no, no, everything happens locally on the glasses. They just have no idea. They have no idea.

1:02:24David Imel:Like multiple different answers. No one has any idea, you know, except Meta. half of meta might not even know because they don't want them to know like this reminds me a lot of the content moderation things that was happening a couple years ago sure casey newton had like a big story interviewing people in these places that are just like looking at videos on social media that people die for 10 hours terrible videos and it's like they're getting paid pennies to like do this content moderation stuff this is like the new like labor of ai yeah i cannot imagine Yeah. So, yeah, it says that they are also all of the chats, all the transcriptions of the chats are also stored and they have to go through those to see if the AI gave them a good answer.

1:03:07And there's a lot of weird conversations that people are having. And it's just it's just a weird privacy thing, because I think that something that we don't acknowledge enough as a society is what is in the terms and conditions that you just scroll past really quickly. and then I accept. That stuff used to be like, I will not see the company if my microwave explodes. But now it's like, I consent to give up all data that I have ever used on this product and the company can use it for whatever they want and blah, blah, blah. And yeah, you're the product if the service is free. And right now the AI service is the free thing and the glasses are what you're paying for.

1:03:45And this is extra freaky because remember this is the same product that those Harvard researchers made the look what we can do automatic face ID thing built in. Or students. No, no, no, I know. Well, student, whatever. How easy would it be for someone to get these? I don't know. I'm spiraling at this point. All of this is you have to... It's like, this is bad. This is really bad.

1:04:10David Imel:This is yicky at the best level and extremely concerning depending how much you trust Meta. If you have these glasses, read this article pretty much. I don't know why you would trust Meta. If you own a device that has a non-webcam camera, like phones and laptops, I think, are exempt from this statement. But if you own a device with a camera on it, just assume it is always recording. And that footage will be stored somewhere forever. And people can look at it. There's no reason to ever assume that a device with a camera. Because, you know, the article even says like the company, the money meta makes on this training data from you is infinitely more valuable than any than if they sold glasses to everyone in the universe.

1:04:56You know, like so of course they're going to look at it over and over and over and over again. And of course they're going to capture as much as they can of your life. Like the stuff about the glasses sometimes recording for like long periods of time is like, why do they do that?

1:05:10David Imel:It should definitely have the ring going on for any time that camera is being accessed and something can be used for sure. If you really don't trust Meta, you could argue that they only put the ring on there for normal recording to then make you not think about when it's recording later for AI stuff. I don't necessarily think that's true, but I'm sure they're not trying to get it on. It was because of the Google Glass issues of not having any sort of indicator. which was yeah i really liked insert i don't know if it was in direct response to this but around the time this article came out someone dropped an android app that makes your phone scan bluetooth 24 7 and it can detect whether someone has metaglasses within 50 feet of you and sends you an alert so you can go find them and not not do anything you can go find them and say gently take off those glasses, sir or madam.

1:06:01David Imel:Cool. Next thing. Another potentially really confusing article, but for the better this time. Yeah. Google's 30 % tax is changing. Woo! Awesome. There's a cool soundboard there somewhere, right? Yeah. Whoops. Maybe. We've talked multiple times. Apparently, Ellis doesn't remember any of them. This was confusing. About Epic versus Google. They were also Epic versus Apple, essentially suing these companies because of their monopoly over PlayStores and taxes on top of distribution. So there was a settlement, or it seems like a settlement was reached in November, but before the final details of that came out, Google just started making changes and just announced recently that they're going to change how they're doing there.

1:06:52David Imel:I just keep calling it the Google tax. I think everyone understands what I'm saying, right? Yeah, the PlayStore tax. Play Store tax, 30 % of essentially your revenue if you sell on the Play Store through pretty much any form goes to Google. I'm going to super TLDR this and try and explain a little different afterwards, but it gets really confusing because there's different levels. Most of the fees seem to be going to 20 % or lower. And by the end of the year, they're going to launch registered app stores, which is a program that you can download third-party app stores for people outside of the U.S.

1:07:23David Imel:pretty much the same way you would just download stuff in Google Play. So, they're not making this hard side-loading effort of getting an Epic store or stuff on your phone that's a pain in the neck. You should just be able to download them, no problem, which is a huge issue. You should have outside of the US in particular, though, right? That's what I read. Because of just European law? I guess. Again, thank you. Europe gets the cool phones, they get the good consumer Hey, they don't get that 20 watt charger in their Neo box. That's true. That's tough. So yeah, 20 % for the most part of people, which is 10 % less.

1:08:03David Imel:I'm trying to look into here. I have this chart that even the more I look at it, the more I'm confused. So new installs, 20%. Existing installs, 25%. Non-recurring purchases, 20%. They're taking links to downloads. I'm not even going to attempt to. But so in some subscriptions and microtransactions, there's some other ways that this can be even lower. And the Google Play billing fee, if you're using their billing system, 5%. So a lot of things did go down. This is great. Somebody, I think Verge wrote this as Tim Sweeney just signed a deal to not be able to complain about Google for the next three years or something like that, which I thought was pretty funny.

1:08:48It was till 2032, I think. Is it? Yeah.

1:08:52David Imel:Rollout for this will be through the year. It seems like by June 30th, this will affect UK and US, September 30th, Australia, December 31st, Korea and Japan, and then by September 30th, 2027, the rest of the world. I'll link the Verge article if you're a developer and actually need a lot more information on this because there's like 20 different ways that this could change. The breakdown of this is reminiscent of when the judge said that Apple had to change their fees and then they did the malicious compliance thing and just made it so insanely confusing and probably worse for most people. And then the judge came back with the injection and said there will not be another bite at the Apple, which was a banger.

1:09:35That almost kind of looks like what this is, but I don't think this is necessarily a malicious compliance thing. It's just Google trying to save their ass because both Google and Apple make a huge amount of money being the traffic stop for app stores. Yep. Like that is their huge revenue driver for them. Apple notably has been like shifting to services over the last few years because they know that they're probably not going to be able to endlessly make money on the app store anymore. So, yeah, Google is also going to try to have to fill this gap. but it seems like they came to an agreement that was good enough for everybody i'm i'm surprised that tim sweeney was still okay with 20 to be honest like i think that he was pretty hardcore

1:10:19David Imel:about you know absolutely not i think the biggest thing is that there's a easier way to download third-party stores on your phone which then obviously you're outside store yeah so good for developers if you can understand it yeah it's crazy that fortnite's big enough that he could be like this thing that one of the largest companies in the world is making me mad about so you don't get fortnite and that will make changes in the world i mean most game stores outside of steam only really still exist because that company has like one giant game that everybody plays you know that's true well epic starts it's like getting other big ones to come to yeah yeah but yeah but riot has like league of legends and um i don't even do they even have a store They don't even have a store.

1:11:05David Imel:No, it's just a client. Ubisoft has a client that is slowly dying a painful death, but they always have like, you know, they've got Call of... Did they do Call of Duty? I've lost track of all of them. I don't even know, but yeah. Not real gamers here, sorry. Not real gamers here. I just played Dota 2. Jagex. Jagex. Old School RuneScape and RuneScape 3. Is that a separate launcher for that? They're just launchers, I don't think? Yeah, I don't know. Stores? Big news. Price increase. Old School RuneScape. I know you're very upset about that, Marquez. Yeah. $15 a month. Same as WoW. Yeah. Worth it.

1:11:36Wait, same as well. How much is it? $15 a month. What? Damn.

1:11:40David Imel:For old school Ruinscape? The game is a banger, man. It's been around for so long. It's still getting awesome updates from them. Have you played Pocopia yet? Pokemon Pocopia. Pocopia. Pocopia. Have you ever had a dream? It's just Pocopia. Yeah. Pocopia is like, it's if Animal Crossing and Minecraft had a baby and then added Pocopia. Pokemon to it. The dialogue is very funny. I bought it and I regret it only because I realized I don't like games like that. However, the people are posting screenshots on like all over social media and is really freaking funny. I'm obsessed. The AI of the Pokemon.

1:12:22I threw up. The Pokemon just like talking to each other and like weird going on is really funny. Kyogre has a southern accent for some reason. Magikarp says yo a lot. Oh, this is like Animal Crossing Pokemon, right? It's Animal Crossing with Pokemon, but everything is block-based, so it's kind of Minecraft-y, and you can make, like, mine carts and stuff. So it's literally like...

1:12:44David Imel:Is it a first-person shooter? Yeah, with guns. Anyway, I had to drop that. It was funny. The other day I saw I was, like, trying it out, and then on my Switch I saw, like, Adam is playing Vocopia, and I just texted him, yeah, me too. And he said, wait, what? And I was like, what are you talking about? playing this game. Anyway, that is... So Backyard Baseball is coming out in July. I just had to get Marquez back into the conversation here.

1:13:10Marques Brownlee:Sorry, I'll get to all that once I'm done power washing various things. Power wash simulator. Yeah. So, yeah, okay. Well, with that, I think we're going to do one more little break. We'll take it back with one more story that Marquez can rant about for a very long time.

1:13:28But first... Trivia, dude.

1:13:31David Imel:Trivia, dude. So we were talking about the Honor Phone, the little robot boy. But we compared it. I don't know if this was on camera, off camera. People in the edit will know. We compared it to WALL-E. You're the one in the edit. Yeah.

1:13:48David Imel:People watching later will know. Yeah, because I don't know if I'm keeping it in. But anyway, we spoke about it and compared it to WALL-E. Yeah. What does WALL-E stand for? one point per correct letter. Like politically? Politically. What does he stand for? Anti-capitalism. Yeah. Returning to nature. I should have just wrote that instead of making a joke.

1:14:11Marques Brownlee:Wally stands for that? I didn't even know Wally was an acronym. Wally. Wow. Well, I'll be guessing. And we'll learn something at the end. You'll be guessing around here. We'll be right back.

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1:15:22Marques Brownlee:Marvel Television's Daredevil Born Again, Now streaming only on Disney+. All right, welcome back. Something really big happened last night. By the time we listened to this, it was a couple nights ago. We recorded this on Wednesday. Tuesday night, a historic performance happened. And I was talking to you about this a little bit. And David, I don't know if you've seen this, but I do think this is a great opportunity to explain something in tech terms here. Okay. So, what happened last night was Bam Adebayo of the Miami Heat His name is Bam. His name is Bam. Cool. Scored the second most points ever by a single player in a single NBA game.

1:16:04Marques Brownlee:Dang. By himself, he had 83 points last night. That's almost the entire score. Perfect. Wow. So. That's crazy. If you watch the game, what happened was I was sitting at the table last night and I opened up YouTube and there was a highlight reel at the top of my feed that said, Bam out of bio scores 31 points in the first quarter. And I was like, what? So I clicked it and I watched it and I was like, these are unbelievably, like he's just, he got super hot. And then I closed the iPad and I walked away and I went about the rest of my night. And then I got a notification on Slack, like an hour later from Alex who said, tune in to Bam out of bio.

1:16:43Marques Brownlee:He's got 79 now. And so I go on YouTube TV and I'm like, I have to watch the heat game, but I don't have the heat game on YouTube TV. It's just the Celtics game, Celtics Spurs, which is probably also an interesting game. And then I hover over it and it's players in red jerseys. And I click on it and they have literally left that game to broadcast the last few minutes of Bam out of bio setting this record. Yeah, all the time. They did this for Kobe's last game. So yeah, they literally left the Celtics broadcast to watch Bam score 83. And so I watched the last two minutes of that game and it was hilarious to watch because everyone in the arena knew that they were trying to get the record for Bam.

1:17:25Marques Brownlee:Oh. And everyone on the other team is hell-bent on making sure Bam doesn't get the record against them because that is like a star against your franchise. Oh. And so it was funny watching him just like catch the ball at half court, get triple teamed, and then just try so hard to dribble with three people on him and chuck up a shot and get some free throws. It wasn't the prettiest 83 points you've ever seen. Okay, okay. And it's also by Bam Adebayo, who is probably not the person you would expect to set the number two. Marquez. Waltz. Bam. Wilt. Kobe. Bam. Kobe. Wilt, thank you. So, yeah, Wilt Chamberlain in like the, what, 70s, 60s?

1:18:07Marques Brownlee:Had 100 points in a game. It wasn't even on camera. There's many recollections of this, and there's a newspaper article, and there's a picture of Wilt with 100, but no one got the picture. Nobody alive today watched that, right? But Bam out of bio in Modern NBA, most of you've ever seen. So in tech terms, trying to figure out how to explain how anomalous this was.

1:18:26David Imel:So you have to explain the type of player Bam is. Yes. How many points that is in a game and how hard that is to do. And I guess that's pretty much the only two things you really need to know.

1:18:40Marques Brownlee:And how reasonably likely it will be to ever happen again. Oh. and the conclusion I came to was and this is shout out to Adam for helping me figure this one out this would be like if we turned around and said Ellis, what's your iPhone's battery percentage right now? and you still had the 12 mini and Ellis goes, this is actually day 4 of me using the iPhone 12 mini we're like, what do you mean it's day 4? and he goes, yeah I've got 12 % left but this is my 70th hour of using this phone and we're like, how is that even possible? LSD is like, well, I woke up on the first day and I used my phone for a little bit and then I put it in airplane mode and I didn't really use it after that.

1:19:26Marques Brownlee:So the first half a day was legit and then the second three days were just him going, I want to just see how far I can make it at the expense of my own sanity and like daily quality of life, but I just want to see how long it'll go. And now there's a benchmark result saying that the iPhone 12 mini has the longest battery life of any phone in recorded history. And we're like, that seems a little bit crazy. What's the asterisk? And then you go, oh, it's because he was. So what's the asterisk for the basketball guy? The asterisk for the basketball guy is I watched that first quarter highlights and then I watched the fourth quarter.

1:19:59Marques Brownlee:The first quarter highlights are like, oh, my God, he's balling out. And the other team's like, yeah, he is balling out. But, you know, what can you do? You know, our two best defenders are sitting. And then you watch the fourth quarter and it's like everyone knows to stop him from getting the ball, but he gets the ball anyway, and he dribbles to half court and just chucks up a shot, and he gets fouled, and he gets two free throws. And he attempted 43 free throws, which is the new most free throws ever attempted in an NBA game in order to achieve that. He went seven for 22 from three. He shot less than 50 % for the game.

1:20:35Marques Brownlee:He still got 83 by himself, which is ridiculous. The next highest player on his team got, what, 12 or something? 18. but uh so did he just intentionally get himself fouled a ton of times yes in the last quarter yes and it was tough it wasn't like bad to watch because it was still entertaining as hell to watch this guy who everyone knows has a chance at the highest number to go try to get it but now we know what it looks like when a player actually tries even though they're up by 20 even though he didn't have to stay in the game coach was like you know what go get your 80 yeah and he did it and now we got to see what it looks like.

1:21:09Marques Brownlee:And there's not like an asterisk, but like now... Was the team intentionally giving him the ball a bunch to try to let him do this? So by the time he had 60 something at the end of the third quarter, everyone was trying to get him the ball every time. Okay, okay, okay. There's a really great video by, I've brought up Jimmy Highroller on this channel before. He does like basketball analysis videos for fun. Literally last week, he just did a video on will we ever see an NBA player get 100 again? Oh. And it's funny because if you go back and watch that video, he's like, Wilt Chamberlain, say what you want about it, had the perfect set of circumstances to get 100.

1:21:42Marques Brownlee:He was a dominant player. There was no answer for him by the other team. He also played every minute of every game for the entire season, which will never happen again. Oh. And if you are going off at a rate of 25 points per quarter, usually your team's crushing the other team and you just sit for the last quarter because you're up by too much. You don't have to play anyway. Right. So you need it to be a close game for you to stay in the game long enough to actually keep putting up points. Yeah. So we're, you know, Luka Doncic had 73, Joel Embiid had 70, Devin Booker had 70. We've had 70s. How many of those are Knicks players?

1:22:14Marques Brownlee:Yeah, none of them are Knicks players. You know, it's not impossible. It might happen. Didn't Cat? Cat had 60-something, but as a Timberwolf. Yeah, as a Timberwolf. So, yeah, it's really hard to get those perfect sets of circumstances to ever happen again. And we just got a glimpse at, like, what if they just leave him in? And it's like, just, I want to show you later the highlights of the last quarter where he dribbles to half court and three people sprint at him. And he just throws the ball up and gets fouled. Then he gets two more free throws. What made it foul him? Because they were like, you, you have 65 points.

1:22:47Marques Brownlee:You are not scoring again. You are not scoring again. And the entire team's game plan is to force you to pass it to someone else. So we're going to triple team you and half court to make you pass to someone else. And instead of passing it, he shoots it. Okay. And he gets fouled. Damn. And he got 83. What was the final score? Final score was 150 to 129. That's a crazy high score. It is. The other asterisk is that the Miami Heat are a real basketball team. Yeah. The team they were playing is the Washington Wizards, who the coaching staff purposefully made the team as bad as they could be so they could lose as many games as possible.

1:23:27Why? Because the more they lose this season, the better they get picks next season. The hope being that. So literally the two best players on the Washington Wizards, Trae Young and Anthony. Oh, my God. Anthony. Edwards. Hopkins. Wow. OK. That was crazy. The two best players on the Washington Wizards, Anthony Davis, Trae Young, are not playing basketball right now. Allegedly, they're like injured. Oh. But they're like not. Do they get in trouble for doing stuff like this? Another team got in trouble and it was supposed to like, you know, set the record straight. But yeah, so that's the other reason is like they're not playing like a team that is like trying to win a basketball games.

1:24:09But they were still triple teaming him to try to stop him. That was because at the end they were like, we don't want to be the people that lost like this. But like, yeah. So they were fine to lose. They just didn't want to lose like that. They didn't want to be in the record. The players do not want to lose, right? The players are always going to go out there and do their best. So the coaching staff responded by only putting the worst possible players on the court. That sounds like a movie where the coaches are trying to get them to lose, but they end up coming back to the finals. It happens sometimes.

1:24:38Isn't that majorly? It does happen sometimes. Sometimes two tanking teams play each other and they're both trying to lose, but the players want to win, but the teams have to lose. Actually, Marquez, it's even worse. Sometimes a tanking team plays the Philadelphia 76ers.

1:24:52David Imel:Wait, I have three questions. Yes. This one I should know. Points in basketball are only baskets, right? Assists don't count for points. That's a separate stat. Yes. Easy one. Second question. How many assists do you think Bam Adebayo had that night? Meaning he passed the ball. You're still too high. He had three. Damn. Wow. Who was the home team?

1:25:18Marques Brownlee:Miami. Okay.

1:25:19David Imel:It was in Miami. This is cool when it happens at an away team, and the away crowd just gives up on trying to win and starts cheering for people on the other team. So that would have been cool. Third question, and this is an opinion for you guys, but went really good the last time we talked about basketball, is Bam as a player, compare him to a phone? First of all, I just want to say, Bam is an Olympic gold medalist. He's really good at basketball. The Samsung Flip has a gold medal too. He's an all-star.

1:25:43Marques Brownlee:But in terms of who you would expect to set this record, it's not who you would expect.

1:25:47David Imel:So I wanted, because we did CJ. CJ McCollum? He was the CMF phone three. Grover loved that. So if Grover's listening, who is BAM as a phone?

1:26:00Marques Brownlee:That's a good question. So if you're, we have to set like what we expect from the phone. If you're expecting what is the highest benchmark score from a phone, then that would be like the Pixel. He just pulled off a flip.

1:26:11David Imel:I was just going to say Pixel if you're going by benchmark.

1:26:14Marques Brownlee:The Pixel's fine. It's not bad. It's like one of the top five bands or whatever, but it would be like a Pixel setting an all-time highest benchmark score.

1:26:22David Imel:It'd be like a Pixel 10 having 256 base storage. Yeah, like a Tensor chip.

1:26:27Marques Brownlee:So he's a base Pixel 10? It's a Tensor chip specifically setting a high benchmark score.

1:26:35David Imel:It's a good phone

1:26:36Marques Brownlee:and you would expect it to do well but you wouldn't expect it to be this one. Better than MediaTek. It's one of the better ones.

1:26:44David Imel:It's good enough that it's kind of boring.

1:26:48Marques Brownlee:So he's boring. Is he short? No, he's an all-star. He's just not like a... His previous career high before this was less than half of 83. It was 41, which is pretty good. A lot of NBA players are all-stars and can get 41. A lot of players average 30. Nobody gets 83. What makes you an all-star? An all-star means you are one of the best, you know, seven players. I guess it's like 14. Best 14 players in your conference. You get votes. For that year. For that year. Yeah. So, yeah, he's a great player. but nobody thought. Fun fact that Ellis found out

1:27:20David Imel:that you know where Bam is from. New Jersey. Is he really? Yeah. And Bam Margera is from Pennsylvania. I don't know who that is. You don't know who that is? Bam who? You know Bam Margera.

1:27:32Marques Brownlee:I've never. Do you know Jackass? The old show on MTV. I've heard of that.

1:27:36David Imel:Yeah.

1:27:37Marques Brownlee:But I know about the famous guys from that.

1:27:40David Imel:He's the most famous from that. Him and Johnny Knoxville. Steve-O and Johnny Knoxville. Bam got his own TV show on MTV that lasted quite a few seasons. How have I never heard of this? And his brother's in the band CKY. I feel like if I show you a picture of him, you'd be like, oh, I've seen him. Wait, sorry.

1:27:57Marques Brownlee:Bam?

1:27:57David Imel:The reason I probably have brain damage is because of Jackass.

1:28:00Marques Brownlee:Bam's search engine optimization is cooked now.

1:28:03David Imel:Yeah, Marjara just fell off.

1:28:06Marques Brownlee:Marjara. Well, he fell off. Marjara. Never seen this guy.

1:28:11David Imel:Skateboarder. He's like the best skater in the Jackass crew.

1:28:15Marques Brownlee:I guess I've seen a lot of Steve.

1:28:17David Imel:I just want to say 14 year old me is so hyped right now. We just covered basketball, phones, Bam Margera, like that kid is living. Yeah.

1:28:25Marques Brownlee:It was a good time. Anyway, I hope now, David, you can appreciate the insanity of what happened yesterday. That's crazy.

1:28:32David Imel:Are you going to go watch the replay of the game?

1:28:34Marques Brownlee:I might watch the highlights. I want to show you the last three minutes without like a highlight cut, just so you can see what it looks like when everyone in the building is like, do not let that man score. And he's like, I'm a score. It's so funny. It's so good. I just got to say, when Adam and I walked in and saw that Marquez was watching the somehow already uploaded RDC World 1. That's what I was going to say. Yeah. Mark Phillips. Fast. Thank you. Thank you for commentating every great basketball moment. This is, as soon as something happens in the NBA, I'm like, what did he say?

1:29:07David Imel:Last question. How many points would he have had if he had 100 % free throw percentage? it was like over he he had like 43 attempts seven i can answer that yeah he missed seven so he would have had 90 i think all basketball players should have 100 free throw percentage okay bro that's

1:29:25Marques Brownlee:it i like that's my non-basketball take i like that take it's called a free throw it should be free points but you'd be surprised how bad some of them are at free i am surprised yeah at all what's your hockey comparison all hockey players should make I guess there's no like penalty shots in hockey no there are but it's against a goalie so a basket is bigger than a I mean a goal is bigger than a basket yeah but the goalie tries to stop the puck is smaller ergo they should make every one

1:29:54David Imel:that'd be like if the free throw had a one on one defender it's not like a giant volume knob comes up and blocks the entire goal okay it's real The Subaru UI would be a great goalie. That's how you round this podcast out. That's how we end right there. I like your 38 notches, but just remove the numbers, please. And also make it smaller. Incredible. All right. Somehow Subaru was the biggest bad guy in this entire podcast. The boo-woo. Well, Meta was competitive. No, yeah. Meta is the biggest bad guy in this podcast. Meta was competitive. It was close, though. I know what I said. It was close. Matt I know you're spying on millions of people with other consent but my Subaru volume now for three seconds okay I need a marker why?

1:30:39because it's trivia time yeah baby oh other little last thing and I guess we probably should have said this when the podcast when we started this episode is going to be dropping while we're live at South by Southwest oh my god we forgot to mention it again well it doesn't matter because

1:30:58David Imel:if you're listening to this podcast We're already on stage. We're either on stage or we're leaving the stage. But what if you already have South by South by tickets and you just don't? Oh, right. You have to watch this. Yes. By the time this comes out, we will be on stage. If you are watching us at South by South by us and watching this episode at the same time, I salute you. Then I need you to yell Iceberg Lettuce right now. I need you to scream Iceberg Lettuce.

1:31:21Marques Brownlee:It will be part of, I think, Keith Lee is after us.

1:31:24David Imel:And if they stay around for that, this is well over an hour long. so if you've made it this far, we're not on stage anymore. They fast-forwarded. Okay. Trivia! Whoa. I don't remember the question.

1:31:38Marques Brownlee:Did I just show you my board? I remember the question. I know what it was. What was the camera company that... Yeah, who's partnering with Honor? On the robot phone camera. I almost said that and then the answer. It'd be funny. What's on the Honor? Your Honor. Your Honor. Your Honor. I remember being in the briefing and hearing that and being like, another legacy down the drain. The camera companies going with the phone companies is the new, the car companies. First, Leica and Hasselblad. Yeah, it used to be McLaren and Porsche. Porsche, how are you saying that? And now it's... Dragon Ball Z. Flip them.

1:32:14Ari. Everyone got it right. The answer is Ari. Ari. I knew it first, by the way. I'm sure you did. We're all very proud of you. Panasonic had an Ari-LUT collaboration. After that correct answer, the score. Marquez with 17. Andrew with 19. David with 21. I can drink. Nice. But don't.

1:32:37David Imel:As you sip your piss-colored lemon. The Honor Robot phone. We've compared it to Wally. But what does Wally stand for? That is the question. One point per correct word. Wow.

1:32:51Marques Brownlee:I'm going to get really far behind now. Maybe, maybe not. What a lovable little Ellis. Wow. That was good. How long have you been holding that in? Just now. It just came to me. Off the top. Thank you. Amazing. I'm really good at acronyms.

1:33:10Why are Legos like eggs?

1:33:15They hurt to step on? I don't know.

1:33:17David Imel:Nice. All right. Slipperman Reed, what do you got? All right. Who wants to go first?

1:33:26I wrote walking I guess it doesn't walk it roll I was going to say you contradict yourself

1:33:33David Imel:in your walking autonomous wow lovable legless E no points for David Andrew what did you say I wrote we all enjoy but we W-A-L-L-E Enjoy. Clever, but no. That's clever.

1:33:57Marques Brownlee:I'm glad nobody's getting points. I wrote what and lovable little engineer. But is it and? Is it and right? It is not right. Damn, I hedged my bet there.

1:34:06David Imel:The correct answer is waste allocation load lifter. Earth class. Earth class. It's in the movie. Yeah, I know, but I haven't seen it since I was a child. Earth class. Well, it's earth dash class. It's like earth. We just get to make words, one word by putting a dash in. I was going to give it to you if you said Earth. I do remember that he was a trash compactor. Waste allocation load lifter. Earth class. Next time you guys are at Bar Trivia, you're going to kill this. What was the other one?

1:34:38Marques Brownlee:Eva? Is that a... Is that also a... I forgot what it is, though. I'm going to find out right now because it's going to bother me. Wally kind of talks like ET. Eve is extraterrestrial vegetation evaluator there it is

1:34:54David Imel:oh yeah cause she finds the little flower right I thought she found the apple sorry spoilers for the bible Wally is Microsoft and Eve is Apple cause she's all like smooth and curved and he's all like blocky too late I have already depicted you as the frumpy Wally robot and myself as the sleek Eve bot

1:35:20Marques Brownlee:anyway that's that's been it for this week uh we obviously went full circle i if any nba players are listening to this please try to beat 83 against tanking teams all year it's going to be so fun to watch and come on the podcast and also yeah come on the pod let's talk ball if if you

1:35:34David Imel:break the record you can come on the podcast no you can come on the podcast either way you want bam to come on the podcast sure what about what if we had bam and the guy that they traded that everyone's like, whoa. There's an asterisk that we do not have a green room here at Waveform Studios. This studio could probably barely hold someone who's over 6 '5". It's tight in here. Dude, I'm right here and doing fine. Yeah, I'm the shortest one on this freaking podcast. And David's 6 '7". I'm 6 '7". No.

1:36:03Marques Brownlee:See, I knew they were going to do it. Alright, thanks for watching. Thanks for joining us maybe at the live show at South by Southwest. If not, we'll see you back for our regularly scheduled programming. See you later. Peace.

1:36:14David Imel:Wait for him and spruce by Adam Molina and Ellis Rovin. We're partner of Vox Media Podcast Network. And our production music was created by Vane Still. Bingo!

1:36:28Marques Brownlee:I can't find an uncut fourth quarter. It's all like cut highlight reels.