The End of Twitter as We Know It

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1:01All right, what is going on, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. This week, we've got a whole bunch of a variety of stuff to talk about. We're going to talk about Twitter one last time because they're changing their name. I guess we'll still refer to it as Twitter this time, even though there's still references of Twitter all over it still. I want to refer to it as Twitter for the rest of time. I probably will still keep doing that. Until it's gone. We're also going to talk about some tech that we've been enjoying lately.

1:29and I want to talk about a little bit of a topic that Linus actually made a video about and sort of expand on it. And I think that's actually where I'm going to start. I'm going to start with, everyone should watch Linus's, one of his recent new videos, which was about, let me look up the exact title because it was pretty good. I think it was called Base Models Are a Lie or something. Yeah, like the biggest lie in tech or something like that. Let me find the exact. Okay, starting at is the biggest lie in tech. Oh, fair. So like, yeah, base models, you think of like the starting at, $200, but there's also much higher specs available.

2:02That type of thing is the biggest lion tech. And I went into it thinking he was gonna talk about certain things and he talked about mostly computers. And I think that's what the focus was. The thumbnail was him holding a laptop, but I wanted to like expand on that a little more. Cause I feel like there's so, when I watched that video, I just thought like, oh, that's different in different product categories. So in computers, which is what his video is about, he is a hundred percent right. Like the base product is usually bad and the starting at price is basically just advertising. Yeah. No one actually buys anything at that starting price.

2:40Pixel Slate. Yeah. Pixel Slate. We reviewed the Celeron Pixel Slate. We reviewed it. They took it off the market because it was so bad. It's like the sacrificial product that lets them have better advertising. Which is weird because it's usually the worst version of the product. Yeah. But it's not like, usually it's not Pixel Slate bad. usually it's just decent enough to qualify but then the upper the better specs of the ones you should usually really get in the computer world it's it's more obvious than ever because like say take a laptop for example you have a laptop that says starting at 599 but it'll have only four gigs of ram and only 128 gigs of storage and it's like well obviously i'm going to be upgrading those things i don't think you should buy a laptop these days with only those things yeah and then laptops these days are less upgradable than ever before, especially if you focus on Apple like he did, you get a laptop that is basically stuck at its exact spec, no upgradable storage, no upgradable RAM forever.

3:35So you really are definitely not getting the base spec. So the starting at price kind of feels like a lie because you're never really getting that. But then I thought about other product categories and the other two that came to my mind, maybe there's others that came to your mind when hearing about this, is smartphones and cars. in cars it is a complete lie yeah you basically can't unless you're going direct to consumer you basically can't get a base price car they'll always have the commercial that says well equipped starting at you know 29 999 but the 29 999 is is not a real car that you can get is well equipped different than starting at yeah that is a little different in the 30s but starting at I mean, that's their version of well-equipped.

4:22That's a different way to slide you in there, I guess. Probably because base model is impossible to get there. Like, you know, maybe we should stop saying this. But even base model, if you get like whatever, like a RAV4 at base, a lot of times in different places they'll have all these packages that are on top of the car and you're like, oh, I don't want that. And they're like, it's on the car already. I don't know what you want me to do. You're at the dealership. The all-weather package. Yeah. and also like a lot of the base versions are missing like many things you would obviously want in a car I was going to say that that sounds kind of like a slight too to say well equipped at this price it's like our base model sucks our base model is not well equipped it doesn't have a radio it doesn't have heated anything but you can say that when you can never buy the base model they can be like yeah those ones you don't want to buy also they're not available in our parking lot right now like so you don't get it yeah it's all about which ones they can sell off the lot and uh they're they're trying to sell things with higher margins and they don't really want to sell the cheapest possible version uh which is often not a good product anyway but then in smartphones though in smartphones i think most a lot of people actually do buy the base model and that's fine because most people weren't thinking they're going to upgrade their phone at any point down the line so they're getting whatever the 128 gig version if they need some storage they can pay for that but a lot of people are cool with 128 gig base model of whatever phone they just bought and that's totally fine too so i think that's actually it's different in different parts of tech there is i feel like i can almost make the argument that in smartphones it almost changes a little bit though because the one of the first things i did think of was the poco phone and i feel like when you're getting into these cheaper budget phones they are kind of doing this weird thing of like we've seen xiaomi a couple times do the like this is the 79 phone that only 200 of you can get and then it turns into 150 which is almost worse it's worse yeah but it is different and like the poco phone when it first came out the um it was like this is the 300 phone but 99 of people reviewing it reviewed that like 450 version that was cooler which is just like so i have notes on other versions of this yeah that's one of them where it's like we most people will hear that this phone starts at 299 but every single person reviewing it is reviewing a more expensive version of it that's one thing that happened with the pokofone that usually happens with computers they don't ship the base version to reviewers and then yeah the other version is when you see the the lineup on the on the website of like all the different specs it's capable of i think like take a razor laptop for example that you can get like a 120 hertz display or 4k display and then it's capable of like up to 12 hours of battery if you have the worst display they will list up to 4k display and up to 12 hours battery next to each other as if you can get a machine with both those things but that doesn't exist totally that's another thing that happens all the time that drives me crazy yeah so as a reviewer i try to say how much the thing i'm reviewing costs and sort of evaluate different pricing tiers and should you get the base version should you get the version i reviewed somewhere in between here's what you should upgrade but yeah those two things drive me crazy yeah i want to step back on the on the laptop or computer versus smartphone thing again um i had a i have a wild story with my sister and i think i told you guys this when the m1 or possibly m2 mac mini was out or i guess m1 they there was like this deal where you could get the second storage tier the 256 gigabyte option which also came with a little bit more ram i think for like 50 more and it came that deal came out two days after my sister bought the base model and so i was like i messaged her and i said if you can you should return yours and get this for 50 more and she was like why and i was like because you're gonna have this spec forever it's twice the storage and she was like what do i need storage for and i was like wow there's so many people that i think it's hard for us to see outside of this because i cannot imagine having a laptop up 128 gigs of storage we like make videos and it's like two terabytes for a project i'm like importing footage right now but that was a laptop right no that was the mac mini okay sorry and then so it depends on what you what people are going to do like that with that computer right so the 128 gig version exists and theoretically there's a non-zero number of people who are totally fine i think there's a lot of people that are totally fine with that yeah like if you look at the imac like the all-in-one imac i would bet you that most people bought the absolute base model and that's that's why they didn't upgrade from m1 to m2 yeah i think when you look at what apple sells in the stores too like if you go to apple.com and go to like pickup and you spec something out especially like a custom computer with certain ram and certain storage you'll always see a longer lead time for anything that's not the base model but if you spec a base model it's like yeah we got these in the stores the opposite of the car lot yeah yeah it's exactly yeah yeah i think it's also that that would be my argument for why higher end smartphones make sense to buy base models because most of us have cloud storage and stuff like that.

9:32We're not storing a million things on our phones. So 64 still feels kind of low, but I think a lot of base models now come with 128. That's totally reasonable for a phone. And a lot of times, phones, you're not cheap. Obviously, there's some outliers, but you're mostly just upgrading the storage for a non-base model. That's totally fine. A base model is a great price for a lot of them. Yeah, it's interesting. You don't really see phones where you're just like, well, this model is 60 hertz and if you get more storage you also get 120 hertz you have to go to the pro okay that's that's interesting because it's it's different phrasing it's kind of the same thing like if you just want to buy the iphone the base model is just the iphone 14 and then you can buy the 120 hertz model but that comes with more storage and different materials and stuff right and a different name right it is kind of like the base model but then it's like a different size and you have different right it comes with a bunch of it comes with an extra camera it comes with a bigger higher refresh rate screen those i would say most of the companies are usually pretty good at differentiating that but when you come to like carriers in the u.s i was gonna say before with like samsung will be like get the s23 starting at and it's the like regular s23 price but when you're looking at that like that guy's probably going to sell you on like the s23 ultra that now is at least a plus 700 more dollars when you think about it that's really smart from apple to make the regular iPhone 14 the exact same size as the 14 Pro because then sure you're getting a worse screen but like every other company if you get the Pro the screen's bigger and that like sucks for a lot of people that don't want massive phones.

11:04ROG phone There's a couple ROG phone specs they're all the same size but the Pro is like a nice one. Well that phone is probably the most computer like phone. Yeah adjacent Is that like his laptop adjacent? Where when you upgrade the specs you actually do You get an overclocked CPU and you get extra RAM, which nobody really cares about in phones anymore. You don't need 24 gigs of RAM on your phone? Yeah. That seems like something everyone should have. Yeah. But it is actually pretty wild that people don't really need 128 gigs of storage on their phones. Yeah, I don't think so. Do you know how much storage you use on your phone right now?

11:39I could. Well, I just started using the Pixel. I could look at my iPhone. Let me look at my iPhone. I checked recently. I'm at like 212 gigs on my iPhone. So I could not do the base. 212? Yeah. I could not do the 128. You don't think you could make room? If I didn't, so when I fly, I listen to music and it's all offline downloaded already. So if I had blasted my whole Spotify library, I could probably get under 128, but I don't want to. I'm currently using 158 gigs. So you couldn't use the 128. Yeah. I mean, if you really wanted to delete a ton of stuff, but that's, no. I would get the second, but honestly, yeah, it's because I download a ton of YouTube videos.

12:15I'm looking at the biggest storage things. i have 36 gigs of youtube videos downloaded jesus uh yeah that's that's easy to clean though that's so easy it's easy to clean i fly a lot and i download like 30 videos i do that i download them on the runway and i like hold my phone up to the window and like download yeah you gotta plan an hour more ahead and it's so much easier than to like please download before this takes off second is podcasts i have 23 gigs and then lightroom lightroom i only have 12 gigs which is surprising i feel like most people have like their photos and videos are the most i have huge files because i transfer full camera images to my phones and i i usually edit photos on my phone because i know that that's exactly how people are going to see it for so true yeah i could do one i have 113 gigs used 41 or an app somehow don't take any more 4k videos yeah yeah i but it is it is crazy i could I've seen this pretty easy.

13:08Remember the time when everyone had the 8 gigabyte iPhone and people were like running into storage issues all the time? Like my mom would only ever upgrade her phone because she couldn't take any more pictures. I'm pretty sure that that's the number one way that people run out of storage. Because other than that, like unless you download a bunch of offline files, whether it's music or movies or whatever. Yeah. That's going to be your biggest files. Yeah. Like if you have an iPhone Pro and you just turn on ProRes by accident and shoot a bunch of 4k pro res like you're gonna cruise through a couple hundred gigs if you want to be really tinfoil hat you could just be like well they're making these super high resolution 100 megapixel sensors now on phones because the storage is way higher and then you have to buy the higher tier or the better cloud storage i think they do a good job of like binning it down like they're not actually i think i know the numbers sell and like you can like you can buy uh the pixel has a 48 megapixel camera but you literally can't shoot 48 megapixel images with like all bins down but yeah they're they're trying to give us a good experience i think at the end of the day so ideally you know yeah compression it is i just want to say one more time i would never buy a computer with 128 gateways of storage no but talking to my sister i'm realizing how many people would that i also agree on yeah i think you're totally right with like the imac i mean think of like chromebooks also like a lot of people the reason they buy chromebooks is because they know all they have to do is really look on the internet and do stuff so like why do you need storage to browse the internet and watch streaming okay so a question for everyone uh-huh is there a piece of tech that you think you could be totally fine living a lifetime with the base version of yes it's called the iphone 12 mini and i've been doing it for years do you have the base base model base base 64 64 64 gigs baby that's cutting it close are you close to the top of 64 and i was until i I updated to the iOS 17 beta, which somehow wiped 20 gigabytes of system files off of my phone.

15:04If it works, it works. Wait, it wipes them off? Yeah, like before... Just make some space. I'm waiting for them to find out. It's very important stuff. I had been juggling my last six gigs for a year, you know what I mean? And things were starting to not work. Nothing involving my voice worked. Voice to text didn't work. siri would never even load like forget it offloaded the models it was like i can't there's more storage i guess so but with the beta and all of my new space she lives also i just want to say this is i was talking to hiato but this is maybe unrelated so maybe it won't make it but i accidentally slammed a glass bottle down on the screen of this phone and the glass bottle broke the iphone is ceramic shield didn't we just talk last episode about a bottle hitting your phone and it denting the bottle yeah to the pixel the pixel dented the metal yeah wow phones are tough phones can beat drinks pretty easy i will say a ton of people buy the base model airpods like even the old airpods with the long stem i see so many people that still have those like i actually see way more of those than airpods pro are they the base are they the usb-c ones there aren't any usb-c ones right or sorry lightning i meant i f***ed that up well the old base ones were a headphone jack if that's where we're going wait you mean that just cut all of this out cut all of this out i don't know if i i'd consider airpods base model because you can't upgrade those are ear pods i thought no air what are the wireless airpods we're not talking about earpods i wouldn't say that's a base model though because you can't upgrade that version you could just get a better headphone oh you're saying like the gen one like there's airpods and airpods pro yeah and airpods are one thing the base model and then the you can upgrade to noise cancellation and now you have but they're also a different shape but it's a totally different product but you could make that same argument for like a regular phone versus a pro phone oh interesting how many parts of the boat do i have to take off to make yeah but the boat well no i think though a pro phone there's It's still a base model of a Pro phone.

17:18I think that, well. But it's not the Pro. Yeah, those are two different models. Or what? Yeah. So do you think the iPhone example, where you have the iPhone 14, iPhone 14 Plus, iPhone 14 Pro, and iPhone 14 Pro Max. All of them have a base model. Okay. That's true. Yeah. Okay. You're right. That's true. That's right. But I think also when you walk in the store, a lot of people go, what's the new iPhone? Yeah. And they end up with the base model 14. I feel like you mentioned that before as like the step out of the base model. I like to thinking of it as a bigger picture, but I would still consider, and I think most of our listeners would consider each of those having a base model.

17:52It's just storage. I think the same thing happens with AirPods. Like people walk into the store and they just say, I want AirPods and they buy the cheapest AirPods. Yeah. It's maybe not technically right, but I think that's how people think about it and people do that. Yeah. We're getting into semantics. It sounds great. I know people listening to this podcast are like, that sounds insane. What do you mean you just walk in and say iPhone? But when you go to a store and listen, you're like, oh my God, they're just asking for the iPhone. yeah and they have nothing else to say yeah it's crazy uh-huh it's crazy sometimes yeah do you have a base model adam that you could live with the phone phone i live on base models all the time because cloud storage is a thing yeah 128 less than that i've done in the past 32 no i also gotta say something that hurts is when you're trading in phones less and less they ask for the storage that you're training in so it's like really on apple at least does not ask for the storage tier so you get the same amount for a 512 gigabyte iphone 14 pro than you'll get for well here's the dirty little secret it doesn't cost them a lot to add more memory they can charge you for this was the crux of linus's video oh really in case you haven't watched it i mean you should watch this video it's really good and it's a learning experience but that's the number one thing that he talks about in his video is the amount that someone like apple charges for eight more gigs of built-in storage versus the amount of extra cost there is to apple is a it's like a 300 plus markup every time i will say that's very different than it used to be because i remember buying my um my first ipod and it was like the option between like eight and 16 gigabytes of storage and back then storage was really expensive they still upsold you on it but it wasn't like today where like like memory is the cheapest possible component yeah i just think it has definitely stratified over time i remember specking my computer back in the day when i built my hp pavilion dv7t on hp's website old yeah i know but it was like going from so when you went from four to eight gigs of ram you went from 32 to 64 bit windows and i remember looking at that and then looking at other computers like that you could buy and how much they charge for next to four gigs of RAM.

20:00And it was very consistent across the board. And now it's like, if you go to Apple, it's literally like 200 more dollars to bump up your RAM. Watch Linus' video, but that's the main point of it. Storage is the highest margin thing. Do you guys have any base model things that you can live with? Yeah, I think I would be able to live with a base model Rivian R1T if given the chance. That's not the base. I think I could live with the base one. You mean the new dual motor one? Whatever the cheapest one is. The base model Rivian R1T is just a gas truck. the r1t now has they're now shipping the dual motor version so there's the quad motor launch edition and then there's the base model but those i think when you look at like rivian and even tesla there's so few specs that they're kind of all very similar to the base model baby base model's great i'd be fine with one yeah that's fair that's fair i would say my car i could do the base version of the plaid of the plaid oh yeah long range model s long range model s is the base version.

20:54That's true. Oh, yeah. The fact that it's long range. Do you get a wheel or a yoke? You get a yoke still. Oh. Yeah. You can option a wheel, I believe. It might be vice versa. I think it's a wheel now and you can option a yoke. Sounds like the base model is better. Well, that's the question. I guess that question becomes, is the Model S the base model or is the Model 3 the base model? Yeah. I think the Model S is different from the Model 3. I think you're right. Yeah. All of the base models are fine. They used to have a really bad base model. Model S is the Model 3 Pro. Imagine if they called it that.

21:25That's the person who just walks in and goes, I would like a Tesla. Which one? Oh, yeah. I would like a car, please. The Model Y is the Model 3 Plus. Yes. And the S is the Model 3 Pro. It's got more storage. And then the X is the Pro Max. It all works. That's true. It all works out. It's perfect. Yeah. I would like a car, please. Here you go. Yeah. Here's the Model 3. It's hard for me to figure that out. I'll have to do more thinking on that because my entire life basically has been very much like if I cannot afford the version of it I want I will just wait like I'm not I'm not bad about needing to save up more money to eventually buy the better ones though I also do not buy things almost ever I guess then the question for you spans to like what upgrade isn't like yeah what are you just okay with on it it just doesn't matter to you not that you're saving money it's just because you don't care about generally like clothes well it's just I didn't mean in general all i bet i'm thinking like in tech is there an unnecessary upgrade that you make anyway like you don't care about like you're not going to spend money because i get what you mean by you want to spend money for the thing you want but is there something you're not going to also spend an extra 200 to upgrade something if you don't care about that right so is there something which i'm sure you'd have to think about for i'd have to think about it pretty much every upgrade we make is because we really want it yeah and like we're spending extra money to get it i think that's a good thing to live by also like if you want something that's expensive and you really want something that right then you can't afford it's way better to just wait and save up for it because then when you buy the cheaper version you're just gonna be sad with the thing you spent a ton of money on and then that's that's a lesson i learned from my mom when i was like nine yeah because i wanted a toy and i bought the cheap version and it broke within like a week and she was like see had you just waited two weeks of allowance you deserved it kid adam deserved that let me tell Now I have trauma.

23:14Let me tell a really quick existential story. Okay. Existential story. Yeah. When I was in fourth and fifth grade, we had every week we would get points at the end of the week if we didn't like get in trouble. Right. And have our card moved or whatever. Classic fifth grade. And on Friday afternoons, we'd watch a movie and you could either spend some of your points. I think we get 100 points a week and it was like 50 points for a candy. So you could buy two candies or you could only spend half of them or you could spend none of them. And at the end of the year, we had an auction where everyone had to bring in something from like the thrift store or something.

23:49And we would like have an auction to teach kids how auctions worked. But fourth and fifth grade, we had the same teacher. So you could keep your points over into the next year if you wanted. Dude, I'd be saving. This is confusing. This is a good life lesson in fourth grade. 30 ,000 points at the end of fifth grade. Like, what am I getting? I would like to cash this in for a Tesla. Imagine fourth graders at a thrift shop buying things for. No, so literally I didn't spend a single point for two years because I was like, I'm going to go to that last auction. I'm going to get whatever the crap I want.

24:19Yes, that's me. So that's what I did. But I ended up buying like a PDA that I didn't use and then threw it away. That's the most David answer. Of course we did. Yes. Yeah. Yes. But the interesting life lesson in that is that I did have to think about like, huh, it is worth like having small amounts of happiness throughout your life, right? Like maybe I should have gotten some candy every now and then because I felt extremely powerful going into that last auction. But I felt really empty when I bought the PDA. Yeah, the PDA tasted disgusting. I have a theory this is a theory I love that story because it reminds me of I have a theory that there are basically two types of like video game players if you're playing a first person game you know how you can kind of like go through the game and upgrade little bits as you get more VC or whatever you're like oh I got enough for the thing I'll buy something oh I got enough for something new I'll buy something every single time and then there's the other person who's like I'm gonna get as far into this game as I possibly can without upgrading a single thing and I'm gonna go to the absolute limit of this character then I'm gonna go to the store and I'm gonna dominate and I'm gonna buy a ton of stuff and I'm gonna crush this level and I'm gonna go 40 more levels with this exact setup.

25:33Right, grind super early. That is my setup. And I just roll through the game. The other version of that is like, do you play the game straight through the story mode and do all the bosses at like the lowest level of XP or do you do every single side quest so you just walk up to the last boss and fucking like one shot it? Like smack him in the face. Yeah, because you have so much, like so many stats. I like saving it. I get some value out of like saving it. So if I can save two more weeks of allowance and get eight gigs of RAM on the laptop, I'm doing it. Yeah. There was a time in Pokemon Gold where I evolved my Cyndaquil into a Typhlosion before I even left the first town.

26:08So I just rolled up to the gym leader who had a level six. Gen one only? What? Gold is amazing. Gold is amazing. Best game. I had a level 36 Pokemon and destroyed the gym leader's level six Pokemon. It's really fun. In NBA 2K, there's a storyline, which is probably similar to Pokemon, but literally you go through college basketball, and then you go through early overseas pro leagues trying to get scouted. And you try to get as far as you can without upgrading any of your skills, and you're just a bum on the court, and you can barely score, but you're barely holding on. And then you get to a cutscene where it's like, sorry, son, you're not good enough to start.

26:46Oh, my God. And you're like, wow, I need to get better. Then you go to the store and you buy all the skills and you max everything out and you come back and you just are a god on the court. And it's so fun. I always feel like it's going to feel better than it does. Like when I destroyed that level six Pokemon with my level 36 Typhlosion, I was expecting it to feel amazing. And I was just like, this feels kind of empty. Pokemon needs better. I can tell you why the other side sucks. Strength animation. In Pokemon, I use my Master Ball immediately. Why? And then when I had to catch Mewtwo, I was in total panic forever.

27:20Because I was a kid and I was a moron. And I was at my friend's house almost crying because I didn't think I was going to get Mewtwo. Do you remember what you used the Master Ball on? No. Probably an Abra. Probably like an Abra. Like a Butterfree or something? It was probably something stupid, like a Scyther or something like that. It was bad. See, this is what I feel like when you guys talk about sports. I just don't know what a Master Ball is. Yeah, I used my Master Ball on Wayne Gretzky, just so I can make sure neither of you understand this conversation. anyway we're pretty off the rails yeah i think it's probably time for an ad break anyway take the base model as far as you can and then uh spend what you think it's worth use your master ball use your master ball on the first level trivia time

28:01all right so according to motor one what was the best selling car of q1 2023 23 oh i know the answer i think i know the answer yeah yeah nice in the u.s in the world in the world i know the worldwide there's an article about this yeah i don't i love this question me too 20 club i know it's not the fiat because apparently they only sold like 20 of them in the q1 in the u.s or something like that i want us all to get this one so yeah i'm gonna give you hints. The company. You're gonna give him hints? You don't have to give me hints. I think we can all get this one right. I'll give you hints. You don't have to give me hints.

28:41We'll do it at the end, of course. I'll just get it wrong. I'm fine. Alright. I do need to catch who you have the most points. You don't need to know David has the most points. I'll give you a hint. It runs on gasoline. F***. What? Actually, that's a good hint. Wait, really? No. No. Oh, okay. That's a hint. That's what I assume. That's a mess of hints. Or does it? It's the hint. Oh my gosh. Okay. We'll be back after the break. Oh, we were still going.

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31:31Find out why more than 2.5 million small businesses use LinkedIn for hiring today. Find your next great hire on LinkedIn. You can post your job for free at linkedin.com slash mkbhd. That's linkedin.com slash mkbhd to post your job for free. Terms and conditions apply. All right, welcome back. As we were on our our little ad break there uh a little apple insider article actually just dropped and uh david it was on your feed so why don't you reveal it to us the way you did literally 25 seconds ago okay so i think it's interesting let's pretend we're on ad break yeah yeah reenactment you guys are talking about a car lincoln navigator no lincoln pickup lincoln pickup truck same company ios 17 code hints at action button in iphone 15 pro that sounds dumb wait a minute action buttons are sick yeah but it's also very un-apple like i was immediately reminded of the remappable google assistant physical buttons that we used to have on phones okay you could remap to other stuff yeah there's only a few phones that have custom remappable buttons uh there's only a few phones with extra buttons at all in the first place like sony has a shutter button like a camera button you can launch the camera and take pictures with the specific dedicated camera button but there's a few phones um i want to say asus has done it a couple phones with an actionable like a custom extra button has done it a lot samsung yeah you can remap now right i think so i'm pretty sure you can it was only bixby for a while it might only be to google assistant i think it might be just to google assistant there used to be like the zenphone i think six it was seven they always used to have this just extra button you could do whatever you wanted with yeah which is sick it's it's very android yeah on an iphone what would that action button do because right now yeah the only thing i can think of apple watch ultra has the what is it called action button is an action button so you can kind of map a few different things you can start a workout you can open a certain workout with that button what would an iphone action button be able to do i was worried i was like is this only going to be for exercise but on your phone like that seems a little bit weirder but in this article it says that it might be able to do open accessibility camera flashlight focus mode magnifier shortcuts silent mode translate or voice memos shortcuts seems dope oh they're gonna that would be new shortcuts would be awesome if you could map it to a very specific shortcut that would be amazing series shortcuts is the best possible case and even then it kind of feels hacky because like if i wanted to open a website it would be like all right hold on let me launch safari type it in refresh like it has to kind of go through a process yeah um i if if apple does this i can imagine it being neutered and like you can only do a certain set of eight things with it and five of them are dumb like change your focus mode with one button yeah it's already like it's so easy time like okay the mute switch by the way on the iphone is like one of the smartest things they've kept around because not a lot of phones do that one plus had the alert slider for a while but like just that quick like switch commute yeah it's so it that's been great we love that an action button i would want to be able to launch whatever app i want yeah let me just pick an app on my phone and launch it yeah i don't think they're gonna let us do that probably not which is a bummer you could probably do that through shortcuts yeah yeah technically yes and it would it would take like an extra second yeah an extra second but it would like the the action button on the watch you can map through shortcuts and have it do a bunch of oh really yeah yeah that's cool so if they take that same thing and put it on the phone i would imagine it would work similarly i wish it didn't feel so hacky but that is true it does yeah it does eventually pull it off there is a lot of cool stuff but yeah like whenever i watch quinn do things about shortcuts it feels insanely hacky yeah but it's still kind of cool this is cool too it says the action button may also take over the volume up buttons duties in the camera app it could activate the autofocus when lightly pressed while a firm press will take a photo fire resembling conventional camera buttons and a hard prolonged press will initiate video recording.

35:36I think they'll do that. That's dope because if you could just like start recording a video instantly from your lock screen, that'd be really cool. I can't imagine the half press working. That sounds tough. It would have to be, well, it's probably a solid state button, which means it's a haptic button, sort of like the... Right. Don't the Xperia phones have something like that? The Xperia actually has a real half shutter button. It's a real shutter button. It has a half shutter button. You half press for autofocus and then full press to take the shot. What is it autofocusing on that it's not already?

36:10It's acting like an alpha camera, so it has continuous autofocus, but if you move something around and you just want to double check and make sure. It wants to do that. Because the sensor is so big that it actually has natural depth of field now. Yeah, it just feels like most phones are autofocusing on something and then you have to tap to pick something else. That's true in the Xperia, too. So a half touch of that doesn't necessarily pick what you want. it's picks what it wants i guess the sony experience is you can tap a certain autofocus point and then autofocus with that point with the camera that's just acting like an alpha camera basically so it's a little more advanced it's cool yeah the iphone i suspect won't do all that yeah but you know it'll be cool to see a an action button will they make it orange is the question yeah that's a good question i want it to be a certain color i hope it's from the phone i can't wait till it's just siri oh god no the power button siri they can't do that to me they can't What if the power button powered the phone off?

37:03It does, but now you have to hold power and volume up. Exactly. Or volume down. God, if it was just a Siri. It was a bad joke. I'm sorry. That would be the worst thing Apple could possibly do. If they went back to power and then made that Siri only. An unremappable Siri button. That would be awful. There was a major rumor that the buttons were all going to become solid state, and then that rumor went away. so maybe this is where that rumor started from this could be have an extra button that is solid state so potentially it's all real buttons but this is the first haptic button yeah or like solid state button and then they see how well it does and they can judge how close they are to making all the buttons haptic yeah makes sense you just let like 10 apple leakers get a freebie off their wrong prediction that they got yeah i mean the the rumor score is like 75 possible it says so this could be totally wrong interesting but you know we don't rare we kind of rarely do rumors on here but this one seems kind of fun and interesting i'm into it yeah i'm into special colored buttons on phones too so i'm kind of hoping for that i doubt that they're gonna make it orange because the only reason that's orange is to be like a dive watch true yeah make it red apple please i think there's no shot there's an accent lime green zero shot dbrand's gonna have a field day with this one.

38:23Neon. Sure. Okay. Let's have a moment of silence for Twitter. Ah! Because it's no longer called Twitter, technically. Ah. Technically. Depending on where you look. Depending on where on the site itself you are looking. It's been officially rebranded to X and it's X.com and it's X's and it's X videos. That's not true. it's just X related things there's an X logo the little bird is retired makes you wonder about all the people who bought the bird statues when they sold all that stuff I wish I did now I don't know that I'm going to call it X I'm still calling it Twitter I think when I say it in public to a person I'm still going to call it Twitter I don't know how long it's going to take to catch on probably a long time so you're saying you don't want to follow changing one of the most household brand names in existence.

39:23This is a headscratcher to me every time a well-known and at least decent reputation brand gets killed. I'm like, why? HBO. Why? So just Max. Like everyone knew that brand. Not that everyone used Twitter, but everyone knows what Twitter is. And to try to start that over, but with some sort of like, I mean, it's like meta. Like we all know what Facebook is and we're not calling it meta yeah but but that product is called facebook yeah they at least did that yeah it's a product inside of a brand it's like alphabet for google right there's an umbrella company and if they just made x the like parent company which they did they didn't make x corporate x corp then they could keep the twitter then they could keep the twitter name yeah but they're just shafting it i have two theories around this um two possible theories one elon is actually trying to do what he said he's trying to do which just which is basically to create the wechat of oh he said that already he yes that's what he says but he could just be saying it you know i mean that's what he's been saying forever whether it yeah he's talked he's talked about making the x app forever when he was making paypal he tried to rebrand it to x and he got ousted i think he likes the letter x yes spacex and tesla model spacex sounds cool though i'll give spacex cool that's cool yeah they couldn't just call it space or x but my other theory uh is that he's trying to basically bankrupt the company but in a way that doesn't look like he's trying to bankrupt the company because if he bankrupts it but he has like plausible deniability that he was just trying to make it better then he gets out of having to pay a lot of money so yeah that's a hell of a i mean i like it it's a i don't think uh he still owes like two-thirds of his net worth to this company yeah but i think someone like that is more motivated to prove everyone wrong yeah i actually make it the everything app probably true the complete opposite direction of bankrupt i think that's what he's trying to do i think there's very very little chance of that happening because like there's plenty of people who would love to own the app that controls everything in the world like why wouldn't you want that but that's a stretch for a website where you can just be really mean to people online and 280 characters and you can make a lot of money off that yeah i mean they're they're starting to roll out ads obviously we talked about them doing creator payouts and then sort of adding some creator features and that's at least progress in some direction um but yeah it's like it still says tweets all over the website and like what's going on on twitter it says twitter all over it if you go to x.com not logged in there's a giant button that says join twitter next to the x logo so there it is i just don't understand it's like I mean, I think we can all agree it was probably like they were going to do this.

42:12And then Elon was like. Do now. Or well, announces it. And then everyone inside was like, oh, we are not ready for this. Now they're slowly changing. By the time this episode comes out, maybe there'll only be like seven instances of Twitter still on than like the hundred there are right now. But it's been changing a lot this week. It's just so insane that Twitter has its own lexicon. there's i tweeted this twitter like dm like every tweet it's the thing you want to create a quote tweeted there's um sub tweeted is like a thing in culture you know like there's all of this stuff and like no single brand except for like google has been able to like make its thing a verb yeah it's like it's so hard to do that naturally that like why just like burn away saran wrap i mean it was yeah there's a lot of other band-aid kleenex q-tip like yeah those aren't verbs i q-tipped my ear i won't say that i'm gonna swap my ear i don't know i'm gonna saran wrap this true yeah yeah but boom it's like you just burning all of this like naturally occurring lexicon that everyone would die to have it's what you like strive for arguably the most valuable part of twitter yeah like when you talk about the most valuable brands in the world a lot of time it's like what is coca-cola other than a couple formulas and some sugar and a bunch of ads like the brand coca-cola and the mind space that it takes up in most humans like knowing about the thing is the most valuable part of the company yeah and that's true about a lot of the biggest brands kind of like nike jordan google and i think if you were to argue like what's the most valuable part of the dumpster fire that is twitter and their headquarters it's probably their brand value and to just nuke all of that and call it something totally new that let's be honest our parents are not going to call it X we don't really know which is what he paid for it's like what he paid for that's the craziest part he paid actual dollars for it and nuked the most valuable part of it he didn't really pay for the users because he did but there's not that many people on Twitter compared to a lot of other things there's one more people who just know about Twitter like the Jimmy Fallon Jimmy Kimmel one of those mean tweets thing oh yeah that everyone knows what a tweet is yeah it's so also you go to you go to any um newscast or sportscast or anything twitter doesn't pay any of these people to have their logo on the screen they just put it on the screen that's a free and imagine how many like companies and stuff that have billboards or signs on buildings or trucks that are going around with like the twitter logo as their or no just the twitter logo to go to they're social and now all of those are yeah every food truck in the world that's the other thing every food truck has like an instagram logo a facebook logo a google plus logo and a twitter logo yeah now two of them are dead and that's just unfortunate it's just the seo of x also like is terrible what are you this before you type twitter because you knew what it is now it's like x find um find uh david amell on x like what is going to show up on google when you do that doesn't sound great this is the only reason why i have that like kind of theory that he's just trying to bankrupt it to get out of the payments because like it seems like the most illogical thing that he could possibly do but maybe he's a genius and we're all idiots who knows or maybe It's just a bad move, and he made a bad move.

45:50I think that's just it. Yeah, but it's such a bad move. And they could go back right now. I agree. I think there's just... Bring the bird back. People agreed with him that it was a good move, I guess. Who agreed with him? I'm sure there are plenty of people who agree with Elon around him. And that's not just Elon. That's every billionaire. Yeah, I'm bummed. I'm really bummed. I really hope that things change in the next couple of weeks, and it goes back. Oh, they'll change. they'll change i mean it's just a it's a day-by-day thing this is like the fourth week we're talking about and whenever we're saying now we record on wednesdays it could be totally different by friday imagine it's twitter on friday it's back to twitter on friday i don't know dude it could be google on friday you know twitter plus i was i was thinking what if what if meta rebranded threads to twitter well i said they should just call it why i i made that joke actually i I said people are always talking about X, but nobody's asking why.

46:48That's funny. But Twitter's available now. Twitter is available. If Threads became Twitter, it would be like the Charlotte Hornets. Yeah. Like the Hornets went to New Orleans, became the Pelicans, got the Bobcats, and then re-became the Hornets. Yeah. They should just call it T3. Threads is T3. I'm going with that. All right. Does that make Mark Zuckerberg Michael Jordan? In the Hornets example? Yeah. He just sold, though. Jordan just sold the Hornets. Right. So what does that say about... Look at you, Mark. Okay, it would be funny because Mark Zuckerberg has wanted to own Twitter for, like, ever.