The Google I/O Episode!

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1:33yo what is up people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts i'm marquez i'm andrew and i'm david and this was google io week so of course we got to talk about that but spoiler alert it was i don't know not boring but there wasn't a ton there so we're gonna also talk about some other stuff i disagree some carplay ultra stuff if you have some thoughts on IO, I know. I thought it was great. It was great. But also HBO streaming, interesting stuff there. Also a small boost of Windows nostalgia. So we got some other stuff to talk about as well. But first, shout out to the other channel, the MKBHD channel, for hitting 20 million subscribers over there.

2:13Appreciate y 'all for getting us there. If you haven't already subscribed to Waveform, you should subscribe here too. We're going for 20 million, baby. And then we can get bonus channels to 20 million, which would be even better. We're racing to 25 million, actually. Sounds great. Waveform v. MKBHD. Yeah. Make sure we win. I hope they reach it at the exact same time. That would be a huge win for both of us. Wait, so how does it feel? I feel like this happened and we're just like, cool. Does your lower back hurt? It's pretty sick. From carrying all the subscribers. It's pretty sick. You know, it's funny.

2:43I mean, every time you hit a milestone on a channel, it sort of sparks looking back at the other milestones. And I do remember, I still feel like the milestone where you add a digit feels insane and then the ones in between are like nice study improvements which remind you that you can add a digit and every time you get to the next digit you're like well there's no way we add another digit like when we had a hundred thousand subscribers i was like well there's no way we hit a million subscribers i remember when the first youtube channel ever hit a million subscribers it seemed impossible and then we hit a million subscribers and i was like well you hit a million yeah i had a million subscribers in the college apartment and i was like well surely the peak for a tech channel has got to be around a million subscribers right like this is kind of ridiculous and then you hit two million and three million but it feels crazy when you hit 10 million because you added a digit it feels insane now we're at 20 million now i'm saying this out loud it feels like impossible that a tech channel will ever hit 100 million subscribers it doesn't seem realistic but here we are on our way so yeah 20 million 100 million next marquez according to claude by anthropic yeah if all 20 million of your subscribers joined hand in hand they would be able to stretch from los angeles to new york city wow that's pretty interesting i could picture that i think we should do it they could watch that is according to claude vanprovic.

4:12I have not fact-checked this. Don't worry. We'll save it for court where you can then blame it on the own AI that you made. Yeah. I think the math checks out. Adam and I found a couple... We decided to think of some things that were announced in the past and then reference them to a subscriber count that you were at. Harder than you'd think. It was a little tough to do. We finally figured it out. I just wanted to throw a couple things out here. Do you want to guess or do you want me to just say oh i can try to guess okay launch of snapchat the launch of snapchat i was in college uh i think i was in college um so that was around what 2012 close okay uh and i remember that was when i got the that was in my college dorm how many subscribers i'm gonna go with like 1.5 million 16 000 september 2011 pretty wild 16 000 whoa and you had to go back in your channel analytics to like really i found some yeah um first pixel phone launch how many subs first pixel phone okay i remember reviewing the nexuses and the pixel one oh wow i'm totally recalibrating maybe that's like 1.5 million 3.8 okay 3.8 october 2016 wow tesla roadster announced oh my god this is what sparked this whole thing i was like i wonder how many subs we had 2017 so this is seven years ago so it could literally be it could literally be like 12 million subscribers ago eight years ago five million it was like right five million was the first milestone we hit when i started and it it happened in september and it was um november when they announced or no no sorry november when it hit five million september when the road store was announced so we've gained 15 million people have subscribed since the roadsters announced yep jesus yeah that's i i also looking through that graph found something pretty interesting 2013 was a crazy year do you know why why it was 2013 the new jersey hammerheads oh yeah just kidding but that's true wait can you explain that is that uh it was the it's actually how i met marquez but it was um arguably the worst pro ultimate team that has ever existed.

6:36No, not anymore. Okay, well, it was close. It doesn't exist anymore, which tells you how good it was, but it's not the worst ever. It was the only year it existed. Yeah, it was the pro team Marquez and I played for. We were pretty bad. Two and 14. Two and 14. Before the season started, we got sued for copywriting our logo. What? And getting, never mind. It was a long story. There was a lot of things that went wrong. But I was looking. in november 2012 you hit 100k and in february 2014 you hit 1 million so basically 2013 was like wow your 10x founder year yeah that those are crazy that's like 14 months so a little more than a year but i feel like 100k to a million is a huge milestone doing it in a year and doing it in a year in 2013 yeah it's like kind of crazy i've told this story before that in 2014 my junior year is when i had a professor ask me why i hadn't dropped out of college yet so sometime between the beginning of college and the end of college it went from being a cool side thing to being like very sustainable and that was when they were like hey hey why are you trying to get an education you make money what's this like diploma chasing thing you're doing yeah that was a good year what did 20 million subscribers teach you about b2b sales i actually wrote this huge linkedin essay about that you should check it out but i wrote it with yeah i'm gonna press the congrats button thank you you're welcome i press the thank you button i don't think you understand how many linkedin requests you're gonna get after saying that out loud cool all right let's get to io sorry to derail i thought it was fun input output yes okay so as expected there was a lot of ai talk a lot of gemini talk matter of fact at the end of the keynote, Sundar put up a live counter of how many times they'd said AI and Gemini, both of which were over 90.

8:32It was wrong, by the way. It was? Because when he put it up, it updated in real time, but it wasn't over. There was like another four minutes where they said each one again, like three or four more times. So probably over 100 for both. Probably. Yeah. But we expected that. We saw the whole Android thing before, and now we got a whole bunch of Gemini and AI and Vio and all the tools that they put But in these subscription plans and all these new features launched and some of which we've gotten to demo because they actually launched right away. Some of which are coming later this year. Some of which are coming next year, et cetera.

9:05But there were some highlights, some interesting stuff that we want to talk through. Yeah. The one I just want to shout out my favorite one because I made a short about it was the try it on feature. I love it. As soon as they said it's available today, I was like, I got to try it. I got to see this. So I found it in Labs, I enabled it in my account, and it is an AI feature that lets you try on clothes from Google Shopping. Now, it's supposed to someday be anything in Google Shopping, I guess any clothes. But for now, it's kind of siloed with these 50 or 60 garments that you can try. And so you upload a photo of yourself, hopefully with form-fitting clothing and a simple background, and then you just hit the outfit and it just builds an AI-generated image with you wearing the outfit.

9:47some of them a little weird some yeah definitely adjusted some of my proportions some of them looked like they kind of like generated new footwear erased my watch did some other interesting things to put outfits on me i thought that was interesting stylistically i also kind of worry about this feature because you can kind of just upload any picture like i use a picture of myself but it doesn't say you can't upload a picture of someone else and put another random outfit on them. It's weird. It's not public yet. It's in labs, so I guess it's kind of public. Kind of public, yeah. Yeah, that was the highlight for me of like, oh, that's five or six startups that just got destroyed just now with one slide on Google's presentation.

10:31You know we don't need AI to see how we look in dresses, right? You could just put on a dress. It's a useful feature. I thought it was cool. I think there's so many times like you order something and it doesn't fit right. And you can save so much shipping if it like if that does actually help. Like the only piece of clothing I've ever bought on the Internet is five gray shirts. And I didn't really need to know how that looked on my body because I just bought the medium and I was like, it's going to be under whatever sweater I'm wearing that day anyway. I only really wear sweaters. So or jacket.

11:08uh for me this is amazing because it gets rid of a lot of that anxiety of like well is this even gonna like look okay on me is this gonna fit me right yeah um this is a very practical use of ai that i think is gonna be useful for a lot of people i'm wondering what the constraints of this are like do the companies that sell the garments need to like upload a 3d model so that they can like i was just talking about that this morning yeah a lot of the verbiage on google's website seems to imply that ai is going to automatically look at the garment figure out it knows what a garment is and then figure out the places on your body that the fabric will lay and just simulate it with ai i wonder if it's going to simulate the specific type of fabric it seems like it i mean you kind of do a pose too and so i had my arm out and like the thick sleeves were like hanging off my arm it seemed like it did a good job i think this is only beneficial if it can pull for without having to upload a 3d image because that's no one's ever gonna do all of that it'd be like a platform that nobody wanted to use exactly i think it's beneficial because so much of us order stuff online and if you could look at it semi on yourself and realize then i don't like how this looks then it saves the shipping to you deciding you don't like it shipping it back yeah which we could all cut there's a great climate town video about this actually you should go watch um it would save so much in that sense um and also the reason i think it would want to eventually pull from that is because they also coupled it with that uh price tracking ai uh oh yeah was it like a not like an extension or well it would give you a notification on when it released when an item dropped below a certain price threshold so if you went oh i really like that shirt but it's 50 bucks i wouldn't really buy it unless it's under 45 bucks so you set a notification for let me know if this ever gets under 45 and if it does it sends you a notification you hit the button and it fills out the whole process for you and buys it on the spot which seems pretty cool it's like more integrated slick deals or something which i think is awesome and if it can just pull that from seeing what's on a website seeing a price and being able to follow that i think that's google has been trying to make google shopping happen for a really long time like they have tried so many different things to actually get people to use this platform and it's been around for forever wait people don't use it google shopping i use it all the time You're crazy.

13:26I don't like it. I use it to find something and then I take that item name and go find the best place to buy it. I almost never buy anything from Google Shopping. Yeah. When I'm looking for weird stuff and I just need to be like, camera, one inch sensor, black cement. But would you do that? I do it all the time. I would do the research to find exactly what I wanted first. Well, can I give an easier example? Yes, sure. Okay, if like there's a pair of shoes that you really like that is sold across like DSW, sporting goods stores, REI, everything, you can also do all your sizes in there. So when it's like maybe a pair of Solomons are out on the Solomon website or REI, the places you're used to shopping at, then you can do it in that and it'll only show you things in those sizes and you can find the website.

14:11Yeah, and then you click on the website link and it's out of stock. Very possible. When I know what features I want in a product and I don't know which products have those features, Google Shopping comes in super clutch. For me, YouTube and Reddit is my search engine for that. I think my order of operations for I need a product in a category, but I don't know which one is I do product research first, watch videos, read reviews, etc. and then once i know which product i want then i go to google to find like which version of it i can buy and then i take the name of that product and then i go to the retailer i trust and try to find it there and google sometimes will show me all the retailers that have it and then i'll pick from there but i don't i don't even know if i trust that list sometimes i see the list and i'm like i can buy these cleats on you know goat on these two other websites and then i'll go well what about amazon and i find it on go yeah well because i there's like a there's like a three-year-old pair of cleats that i really liked and i couldn't find them anymore so i was like what if i found a pair that someone just still has and then i tried goat and i tried like one or two other sites and that was my way it's a wild interesting i get my night marshals well yeah i don't mind two knee surgery.

15:22Yeah. I only wear super wide dad shoes because I have a bad back. I want to say we've talked about shopping so far. IO should have opened with this. It was the most relatable thing. Instead they tried to open it by relating to that Gemini completed Pokemon Blue and then made some weird pun about APIs with artificial Pokemon. Yeah. Artificial Pokemon intelligence. That was strange. and they didn't show any screenshot. It was just a graph. It was like, this is how we beat it. I thought that one might have been a joke. It was a joke. Well, no, no, no. I think it beat it, but then the API part was just a pun.

16:05Look, if Twitch can beat Pokemon, I would hope that Gemini could beat Pokemon. Exactly. Do we want to be compared to Twitch viewers? Yeah, I guess the main point of a lot of this IO keynote was to showcase Gemini, how much more powerful different models of it have gotten, so they show lots of scores and lots of benchmarks and how powerful and how fast a lot of these models are. So they opened with that. Great. I get it. But then, yeah, they did get into some of the more meaty demo stuff. I will say that this year it felt like there were more obvious use cases of Gemini and all of these models and less just like, look at these numbers about tokens.

16:40Last year, it was just a lot of nebulous numbers that didn't mean anything to anybody. Yeah. But this year it was a lot of actual demos, actual integration. and that's why I found it to be a better I.O. this year. I still felt like a lot of it was like here's the thing AI can do if you're a complete moron and here's like a set of numbers that you need a PhD to understand. It was like there wasn't a whole lot of things that I was super super excited for but do you want to go through those things? And I want to make sort of an overarching point about I.O. to begin this. Dub Dub, Apple has this whole ecosystem of devices and the whole point of Dub Dub is that they update the OS of every single device that they make.

17:23Yeah. And you get to know all the new features of that OS. Google doesn't really have as much of an ecosystem, but Gemini is now sort of like, is sort of their ecosystem. It's the thing that's on everyone's devices. And there are a bunch of different things that it's doing because things like Imogen and VO and Astra, like they're all sort of like subcategories of Gemini in a way. And so Gemini sort of feels like this universal operating system that Google has across its devices and platforms. So now every I.O. we get the updates to all of these sub-Gemini products, which I found quite interesting.

18:03We got a lot of interesting stuff starting with real-time translation. So I think Ellis may need to eat his words. He should try it first. We should try it. It's available today. we should try i know spanish that was even still like you know after again 14 years of microsoft being like this year we're introducing live translation for google to come out and be like it's here no wait i was like oh google's been talking about it for a while too it was supposed to be the pixel buds one i remember i know but it again like like like when literally when i was in high school they were like this is coming to to skype you know so like yeah we'll see but uh yeah congratulations google on making me eat my words also to all 50 million people that tagged me on twitter that uh that it's here yeah they started doing it and i just slowly turned to ellis and stared at him until and i just was watching him like groaning at the screen as it was happening For those who haven't seen it, it's essentially inside of Google Meet.

19:10If people don't speak the same language, they can have auto-AI dubbing turned on for each other. So you speak your own native language. The other person sees you and then starts to hear a live translated AI voice that sounds like you, but is in your language that you understand. So as if you're like watching a TV program that's dubbed. It's nice to finally talk to you. Es bueno hablarte finalmente. No puedo esperar alquilar tu casa.

19:42You're going to have a lot of fun and I think you're going to love visiting the city. The house is in a very nice neighborhood and overlooks the mountain. But it's live and it's a video call. It's like those documentaries where it lets them start their sentence so you can hear what their voice sounds like. And then one second later, you can still sort of hear it in the background, but the dub's over top of it. Yeah, right, right, right. Don't they sell the baby? Where is the library? It's that. Yeah. Yeah. So that was fun. We also, okay, so we're just going to go through this stuff. AI mode is something that kind of launched in beta for a lot of people a few weeks ago.

20:17I don't know if you guys have used this at all. I have it, yeah. I have used it. It's in Google search. So effectively, the idea of it is that you search things, obviously, but a lot of people are starting to search things not in SEO. like we're from this era where we search in SEO. Yeah. Right. We know the keywords to put in Google to find the thing you need. Yeah. Now it's knowledge searches. Right. And like asking it questions for answers. Right. That's the new thing. So now people are getting more used to it because people go to chat GPT now and they type in natural language. So they're getting more used to this idea of like knowledge search, like you said.

20:52So now Google has this thing called AI mode, which is when you search something in Google, you can then switch into this AI mode where you can, it's basically a Gemini wrapper where you can just have a conversation about the search so you can speak more naturally to the thing. That's been out in beta for a little bit of time, but they just opened it up to everybody across the world. So I've used it a couple times. It's kind of nice to be able to get to Gemini quicker, obviously. Do you know with that mode in regular Google searches, is it still giving me AI interviews and stuff? Overviews, sorry.

21:25In regular mode, it does give me AI overviews. Just split them. You have the mode now. I just want the mode. Let me have my... Let me still search an SEO. Google has a thousand teams and they just all deploy. Do we know which version of Gemini the preview, the AI previews are using? I think they said 2.5 Flash. The AI previews? The AI previews in Google search. Oh, the previews. Oh, the previews, yeah. I'm not sure. Because they're always wrong. They're always factually inaccurate. They're often inaccurate, for sure. I'm willing... I wouldn't say always. I've definitely gotten some accurate stuff.

21:59Yeah. Have you double checked it? Yes. And it's definitely wrong sometimes. I can say I watched it get like five things wrong this morning when I was trying to figure out Marques' subscriber count in certain dates because it just referenced. It at least showed me the references to where it was getting them all wrong. And it was just integrating that incorrectly. But I have been having my issue with it is I've been using Android for the first time since middle school for the past few weeks. Whoa. And so. Be more specific. I've been using stock Android and and so I there's a lot of things I don't know how to do and I so I Google it and I always get the AI overview and it's never a single time been right like to the point where it's like hallucinating things in settings that are not actually in Android settings so I've given up maybe they've been in settings in previous years that's exactly what it is yep or or I'm on Android 14 so maybe it's in 16 and it's not in for that's what I mean or I think is probably something that was in 12.

22:55Yeah. Yeah. Or it was on an Oppo phone only, you know? But it's like grabbing from some room. Take it from somewhere. You know, there's a whole rainbow of ways to be wrong. Yeah, that is true. Okay, we also got Imogen 4 and VO3. They called it Imagine 4. That's what I always thought it was. I never said it out loud, but whenever I see it, I just go, oh, that's clever. It's called Imagine. I think it's a double entendre. Yeah. it's their image generator image generator and imagine i'm calling it image and just like image generator you call it image generator image no image image image image image is what imager imager yeah imager yeah wow i haven't seen that website it's so long it's bad because reddit it's way worse oh yeah it's got like 40 posting now that's why okay so this is an image generator Oh my god.

23:47Sorry. Sorry, the rabbit hole. We're so cool. This is an image generator and a video generator, and they updated them. And they have previously been not quite as good as, like, ChatGPT's image generator. So theoretically, they're much better. But the big update is that VO3 now allows you to generate video with sound. Horrifying. Which is horrifying. I told you this was coming. I said this. I told you this. It's not just like Will Smith eating spaghetti now. It's you hear. You can hear the chewing now. It's serious. Yeah. It's serious. I think we need to do it at some point. It's weird. Yeah, I would definitely try to demo this.

24:26It's weird because, again, if you've been keeping track of this video generation evolution over the past couple years, it's been always very clear to me that it doesn't know what it's generating. it's just it's just creating the file from diffusion and then it just looks a certain way and that's the way it is so the fact that it's able to do dialogue already is like it feels like it just leapfrogged a whole thing like i didn't i would expect like ambient sounds to be fine oh it's in a forest so you hear like birds chirping okay that makes sense oh it's a bird flying so you hear the wings flapping yeah but like people talking and the sound moving with their mouths that part is that part is a lot yeah that part is really impressive to me i can't wait to see a lot of it because like we all know look at hands to find the like the telltale sign of ai like what's going to be the like voice cue it's going to be ever shrinking too so there's going to be yeah you're going to be able to spot it obviously and then like it future future advancements of it will get better and better and it'll be harder and harder to spot it's just getting to the point where my favorite part about new ai generation stuff is finding the thing it royally screws up the first time they like so like now that we have audio and dialogue i can't i'm excited to see what what the masses are gonna just gonna like it's gonna like dub in the wrong language but the mouth is like three words are in a different language yeah um yeah i think that imogen and vo are clearly more targeted at google being like oh we know that businesses and enterprise enterprise one uses for marketing because a lot of marketing that's like in the subway or like that uses like stock video or stock photography google is just like we can replace the whole industry it's just gonna put ads in the middle of youtube videos that are ai generated for whatever product you're selling yeah that was a whole thing yeah we were watching this keynote i forget who but someone in the studio was like there what is the use of this like other than tricking people and there's yeah not a lot that i could think of like i like the tool for brainstorming like if i'm trying to imagine a youtube thumbnail or trying to imagine a video set i can just kind of play with it and figure some stuff out but yeah it's getting more and more realistic and can do dialogue now like what does that benefit it doesn't benefit me at all i could see like needing stock footage of something as like a b-roll clip like there's whole websites that are just stock footage because it doesn't have audio most of the time oh you're saying the audio aspect of it and like getting better well that is weird no this is for ads it's like if you're a brand and instead of hiring people to make your new ad you can just type it into google be like i'm selling this product give it a bunch of pictures be like give me people on the beach enjoying this thing and put it in between videos for ages 18 to 35 males there's also already tons of instagram ads that use your voice to talk about yeah true things so but now they can use your voice and your face at the same time.

27:23Oh, gosh. So, yeah. I don't know how this is going to, like, play in with actors union contracts, but I could see the video game industry being really, really interested in this because in modern AAA games, you are oftentimes recording, like, hundreds of thousands of lines of dialogue. Think about, you know, for, like, the random crowd lines that you would normally see. It was interesting because every time they announced a new speaker on stage, they would walk on stage and there was like a video, an AI-generated video of that speaker with like a flaming basketball or something. Like a dress of butterflies.

28:03Yeah, but it wasn't just a modified video. It was a fully generated video. Because there was a little bit of that AI look to their face so you could tell that it had been generated. But it was close enough that it was kind of like right over the edge, right? so the weird thing about this is gonna be like like they're gonna be able to make ads that just have your face and voice now yeah they're embracing that but that is a that is a downside it is a huge downside if i could attempt to pick a way to use this that's not bad is similar how you said like you like to mock up thumbnails like i've done this before where i've been like tim this is this idea that i had for a thumbnail i tried my best to manipulate it in sora but now you make it because you know you're talented and we pay you um i could see this maybe being like if you're a director or something being like i want this is like what i'm looking for in a shot to show to your director of photography to show to your actors something like that but that probably just means you're a director um yeah you can't explain that you need ai i don't know but they also announced something called flow which is an ai filmmaking app which lets you take those short clips stitch them together and make longer videos yeah it uses vo imogen and gemini together and it is basically like a video editing platform that you can just ai filmmaking yeah i'll jump down one more rabbit hole real quick there is a new youtube feature that we've been given uh special early access to that is a yes okay that is that helps me as a creator identify versions of me that have been AI generated that are uploaded to the internet.

29:42Oh. To YouTube specifically. Interesting. So you know how copyright ID would be like, I am the copyright holder of this music track. If anyone else uploads this music, it can automatically find it. And then I can use the tool to decide what I want to leave and what I want to take down. This tool, which is very forward thinking for YouTube, is a likeness detector. That's cool. So, so far I've been poking around in it and it's basically finding other re-uploaded copies of my videos. But I can imagine in a world where this becomes really prolific, someone makes a fake ad with me, you know, an AI version of me promoting something, I would be able to see it and I would be able to take it down because I own my likeness through this tool.

30:21i would suggest that all the platforms consider something like this because it is very early days and i i think creators in general like the idea of uh yeah of owning their likeness even when those tools become crazy like this yeah no that's very okay back to the top of the rabbit hole okay um we also got an update to project astra yes so last year we saw project astra and that was basically the multimodal Gemini that was basically live but could also use your camera and it could you could talk to it and I think it was effectively just supposed to be their most multimodal version of Gemini yeah and this time they added a lot of other stuff to it so they added uh the aid an agentic feature where you could ask it to look something up for you and it would scroll the internet for you and like pick out pages you could uh show it live video feeds and talk to it in real time and effectively i would consider this kind of agi in a way like this may be a hot take but everyone always talks about agi and reaching this point where like oh we've got this artificial general intelligence that can do anything better than a human yeah and like functionally i think the only important part of agi functionally is like when can it do everything for you can i do what i ask of it yeah yeah i i tend to agree i think a lot of people picture it as being like a humanoid robot or like navigating the world around it but my standard has always been if i had a personal assistant and i could just talk to it like a regular person and it could figure out what i wanted and actually do it do it mission accomplished yeah and so the agentic features like there was a version where i think he there was a guy fixing a bicycle and he needed a certain part and the agent went and called a local bike shop to confirm that they still had the part in stock that was crazy that's that's the type of thing a person with a human assistant would do yeah and it just pulled it off you know what's super funny too is in 2018 we saw google duplex yeah and there were so many articles written like what are the ethics of this and that was where you would have basically a google assistant at the time would call a restaurant and make a reservation for you and everyone's like oh but if they don't know it's a robot like is it ethical and now we're just like yep we're just doing everything like nobody cares this whole arc of like first it was it would call them and be like hi i'm a google assistant calling on behalf of well they didn't do that first well pizza shops would just because they would hang up yeah like no one's going to started going okay people just hang up so we might have to and then they stopped doing that and then they started just calling and pretending to be a human yeah and not saying it well i think what happened is that they didn't say it and then there was all those articles written about it and people freaked out and then they added it and then it just didn't work because people just hang up on it and so now and now google's like well i guess people are used to robots now so they just like started having to do all this stuff so yeah we saw a demo of some some guy basically fixing his bike and doing all these things with it it was quite cool i have to say i think it was very good demo they showed on gemini live was like just someone walking around and saying a bunch of wrong things and then it's sassily telling them that they're wrong yeah i thought it was a funny demo just because of how look how like mad it seemed like to be at it it wasn't mad but just like no that's not a convertical again that's a dump truck yeah like hey that's just your shadow moron but um yeah that that felt like they were just showing the same thing but rather than just telling you everything because they've shown that a million times they're like well let's just tell you you're wrong about it yeah yeah yeah it was it was an interesting demo because it was a weird the thing that people are concerned about is is it going to be wrong all the time or is it going to be right like is is the ai going to tell me the truth or is it going to hallucinate and the fact that it felt like maybe you could say something wrong and try to trick it and it would actually like give you the right answer felt like they were instilling confidence right people using the ai to tell the truth can i eat this can i tell a quick anecdotal story we saw in the studio the other day about live we were talking about the gorilla person experiment and it somehow got on the topic of can gorillas get drunk i think can you explain that in case you need to there's a whole debate on if one gorilla can take on 100 humans and so that sparked multiple debates at work and we somehow got into could a gorilla what was it could one gorilla take on 104 locos or something like that so we were trying to see if gorillas could get drunk anyways Alex asked Gemini like do gorillas metabolize alcohol it's not of course I'll explain later very quickly what was it like if a gorilla were to drink a four loco would it get drunk and its response was well since gorillas are smaller than the average human yes it would be able to and all of us just kind of like paused and were like smaller than a human and Alex said than a baby i mean than a big person like a large it's i think it's still bigger than the biggest person you can think of yeah um and and he had to like correct it was like oh you're right gorillas aren't are bigger than humans and that's how like confident it would have continued with that entire conversation with the basis of gorillas are smaller than humans if you didn't correct interesting yeah obviously everything that google shows off is going to be perfect well it hasn't been in prior years but i think they're trying very hard because they had a lot of mess ups the last few years so yeah yeah uh they also introduced project mariner which was effectively the rabbit teach mode that we never got where you would like teach you would show it how to navigate a certain site and then it could repeat it yeah um that has obvious use cases eventually they really feel the need to name everything huh they do which so they can change it in a year yeah it's just project astra project Mariner, Gemini Live.

36:21Like, VO Imaging... Okay, yeah, everything's got a name. Project Cold Harbor. Cold Harbor. Spoilers. That's not a spoiler. I have no idea what you guys are talking about. There's a popular TV show made by Apple TV Plus, Pro Max, whatever, called Severance, where an evil tech company gives all of their project secret code names, and it's very similar to the way Google does. okay yes yeah okay uh also gemini agent mode which can do multiple tasks for you at once with one unified ai and i found this to be very cool it was sort of this generalized gemini ai where you would ask it like you could ask it questions just like you would normally ask gemini questions but then you could say like oh can you do this and this and this and it would like start doing stuff in the sidebar and also answer questions to you on the right and uh it kind of just felt like this all in one portal so right now it kind of feels like they have a lot of sandboxes that just they're just kind of messing around with to see what sticks they all have names and they all have and all of them are coming either soon or later this year yeah or two subscribers that was like was that the most used phrase this entire show was available for subscribers yeah this is the thing yeah so they i guess are making uh sort of bundles of these sandboxes that you can pay for access to groups of them at once so one of them is called google ai pro and one of them is called google ai ultra which is just all of them plus like 30 terabytes storage is 250 a month yeah sure yeah but yeah that is kind of how i see it there's just a bunch of simultaneously developing technologies that sometimes work with each other sometimes are just their own thing yeah uh we also have gemini personal context and sundar actually used this as an example on stage where his friend apparently friend emailed him and it was asking him some like hiking advice for like a trip that he was doing and he's like i know that you did this trip so do you have recommendations and sundar was like i don't have time for that so he basically he he had been on these trips before and had made like a spreadsheet about the trip or something in his google drive so gmail was a was able to pull information from his documents that he had in google drive about the trip and just basically replied to him for him yeah but at the same time the question becomes if sundar is going to reply with ai why didn't the original guy just asked ai the questions well well that was that is exactly why i didn't like this demo yeah is because they done a good job lately you know how we've kind of made fun of a lot of these demos of being like how can i be a worse person right well can you write a letter to my uh cousin who just graduated and see how proud I am of him.

39:10Like, do it yourself if you really care, right? And most of the demos they've tried to do have avoided that like being a worst person thing, but this was specifically a person asking Sundar for his personal recommendation. So he's asking you, what do you recommend that I do? And then Sundar's AI goes, oh, well, you did this trip. You had these calendar events. You had this spreadsheet. So I'll write what you would have recommended him. And I guess that's easier for him, but it's also just on that line. It's on the cusp because it is technically based on what Sundar did specifically, which could be interpreted as his recommendations.

39:51I want to jump in here because this has happened to me. Literally hiking things at a national park. It makes so much sense. He should have just phrased this whole thing differently because he said, I got this email and I need personal recommendations for Zion. and he said normally I just wouldn't respond which is just like off the bat stick move like that just makes all of this seem so but the thing is is like when you're doing a lot of research on you know we'll use a park for example you've probably made a spreadsheet or you've made a google doc and you've shared it with people and you've like sent emails to everyone going on the trip on what you want to do so if I could say like oh yeah I did do a bunch of things can you pull all the research I've written down already into to an email and then I go in and add my touch to it, like, oh yeah, I really did like this one, which is great because it already pulled it from that Google Doc from five years ago that I probably named something stupid and is hard to find.

40:47That's super helpful. It is. As you say that, it's like half the people in my life are like, hey, what phone should I get, Marques? And I kind of just imagine it going, looking through my hundreds of docs of phone reviews and being like, boy, do I have an answer for you. And that is easier. Have you ever heard of Oppo? yeah like i don't actually want to answer that email but maybe it would just do it yeah if you have good intentions you can use that really well because it's harder for me to go find all the things but if it can pull it all in and then i can change it but if you're just like i never would have replied to this guy in the first place but now i'm gonna let ai do it you're just and i will say that like this is sort of an enhanced version of google's existing smart replies in gmail the smart replies in gmail are useless garbage generic if they're so generic it's just like sounds good thanks that's it yeah or no i don't want to do that like those are the answers that it gives you and so now it can be based on your personal writing style it can pull from your past emails in your inbox where if you have replied to things and said specific things before yeah and information that you've received that i could see super super helpful because it's hard because the search function in gmail sucks yes agreed and like when we did our south by southwest show it started with adam ellis and i talking to vox so like that was multiple email chains long 50 plus emails on each but when i had to send the information to you guys like i could have said can you grab the fine the stuff we finalized in these email chains about south by southwest and put it into one email with the important location times that we need oh my god that would have saved me so much time it sounds amazing if it works yeah yeah no totally agree if it pulls from an old email like does this time work for you no but it sees like we have to reschedule that in or doesn't understand time zones or something yeah when you're trying to make i would love if that worked though yeah if it worked very useful money yeah and it could also be based on files in your google drive and something i've been thinking about a lot is like people have been saying that google is the best positioned ai company right now because they have so much data about you personally because you know apple is all about security and privacy and we won't use your data for anything and google's like we will use data for everything but you're also using all of our products and it'll be convenient and that's what all of these are like it pulls from your google drive it pulls from your previous emails it pulls from like everything you've done with it that does position google to be like you should use more of our products because then our ai that is your personal assistant for your whole life will work better if you give it more context and information yeah which is why they added gemini to chrome which is the next thing we're going to talk about Yeah, real quick, just to compare to like where Meta is at.

43:27Remember they're building that tool of like, oh, you have an Instagram profile and your friends want to DM you, or your fans want to DM you, but you don't want to reply to all of them. So we can make like an AI that's like you and replies to them. Cool idea maybe, but how much does that AI know about me other than how I DM my friends? Yeah. I don't know if I trust that to have enough information. Meanwhile, Google's like, I read all your emails, all your calendar events, all your docs. I know everything about you. So I. Well, and also, I think the difference, too, is that Google lets you validate it before you hit that send button.

44:01You know what I mean? It will write you the email with all of the information. But you have the option to go and double check that information, whereas the the meta copy of you is just responding. Yeah, that's a big difference. Yeah, it's a huge difference. Yeah. So, yes. but they added Gemini to Chrome and the browser the browser company's dia browser was kind of supposed to be Chrome with a Gemini's well a choppy GPT sidebar yeah I don't really know what they're gonna do now I thought this was inevitable though so yeah have that they probably have thought through that at this point I mean this oh yeah we saw this coming a mile away yeah which is Gemini is going to be in everything okay Gemini is in Chrome very useful again if I'm on a website and I want to ask for a summary of something if I'm if I mean all the classic things that you see on like smartphone browsers these days like it may be their differentiator is you can flip between different models use GPT one day Gemini another day I don't know if that's enough yeah everything they've been showing has been super super early and they said they have tons of ideas they're going to end with Lemp, so we'll see, but I don't know.

45:11But the interesting thing about Gemini and Chrome is that it has all of the data of everything you've been doing on the internet. Yeah, Jesus. That's so much information. That's so much information. It knows every website you've been to. It knows everything you've searched. Since I was like 14. And if it knows everything about, if it has an infinite context window, people have to go into ChatGPT and say, I am this kind of person. I do this. I like this sport. and that's like it you know it uses that information over time but you have to manually input everything whereas using gemini and chrome is just kind of like a one-click import about who you are as a human being which is pretty you know like i feel like that's kind of their killer this is the ultimate uh privacy convenience trade-off yes just absolute like pull that slider all the way to one end of like you don't have any privacy it knows everything you've done your history, your communications and everything.

46:06But wow, is that going to be convenient. It's going to be able to write emails for you that sound like you. It's going to be able to tell your friends where you're going at a certain day so you can meet up. It's going to be great. Write the podcast. Yeah. The sliders have been pulled all the way to the edge. Look at all the Verge articles I looked at for the last week. Write the podcast.