The iPhone 17 Event!

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32:49And that felt kind of like a cop-out take to me because it's the cheapest one, obviously. But now that they've added ProMotion and now that it's a base 256 gigs. That was the best thing. Yeah, the base storage increases. I actually feel like I can say that. I think it's awesome. And it makes me so mad at Google that all their base stuff was 128 that I just bought the Pixel for. Yeah, I was like furious about it. And when I saw them just like base everything here to 256, I was very upset. Is this the first non-pro Apple device to get a pro moniker feature? I thought about that for a long time before I said in the video.

33:24I couldn't think of any other example. I think it is. Pro Motion. I really thought that if they were going to bring a version of Pro Motion, they were going to name it something different and do like 10 to 120 hertz or 60 to 120 dynamic. I thought that's what it was going to be because they first showed that it goes down to 10. And it took them a second to show that it goes all the way down to 1. I'm like, oh, it's on display. So I was like, yeah, David was right on that. And then I was like, no, this, and then you were like in Slack. This is just normal promotion, right? There's no differences.

33:52And I don't think that's confirmed. As far as we can tell, based on everything I said in the keynote, it seems like all of the benefits of promotion that were on the pro phones are now on the base iPhone. I, we could talk for ages about whether regular people notice or not. And over the years of people defending 60 Hertz iPhones, whatever. What will everyone argue about now? But I, me personally, I can't, every other phone I test all year round is higher fresh rate. And the only 60 Hertz phone every year is the iPhone. And every year I'm like, gosh, this feels just worse. And I can finally daily and be happy with a smooth experience on a base iPhone because of promotion.

34:30So I'm very happy about promotion on the base iPhone. Maybe I'm overblowing it, but that's me. So that's cool. It's also a brighter display. I think it's 3000 nits peak brightness and should generally be more viewable outdoors, which is always welcome. we love seeing huge nits numbers and then uh it's a new a19 chip so six core cpu i think it's also a six core gpu even though it's less uh power in those cores in the pro chip but yeah a19 chip roughly 20 better performance is what they're showing us graphs of on stage um i'm not expecting anything dramatic or crazy um but you'd like to see obviously the new chip and then slightly faster charging as well so in general uh you know they didn't talk about the other stuff that they always put in the phones like camera control and the action button and yeah you know the ultra wide macros and all that other fun stuff but it's all there like this is the most complete base iphone uh obviously ever yeah the possibly biggest change that they that actually got an audience reaction in the crowd that also comes to the other phones so we could talk about an hour later which I'll talk about now is center stage on the front camera.

35:38The new selfie cameras. I was just saying, Adam and I both went, and I was just like, oh, wide angle on selfie camera that automatically detects, and Adam and I were like, pixels had this forever. But then they described it more, how it works, and I was like, never mind, this is way better. It's way cooler. The more I thought about it, the more I was shooting A-roll with Marquez last night and thinking about how it's square and you can do, I think being able to go landscape while you're still holding it portrait is so much easier as a selfie. And like Marques said, everyone knows where the camera is at that point.

36:11When you hold it horizontal, everyone's looking in different directions. Well, as they mentioned, it's better for eye gaze. Exactly. Because when you're looking at the screen when the camera's over here, your eyes look weird in the resulting image. But if you look directly at the screen and the camera is aligned on the horizontal axis with your eyes, then it looks way more normal. It just looks better. This was the perfect example of like Apple does something later, but thinks about it harder and adds all the like really good features about it and like nails it as it goes yeah when i saw this immediately i thought everyone should copy this yeah every phone should copy this this is great basically the concept is it's a larger square sensor and when you take a regular portrait selfie or a vertical selfie it uses a vertical 18 megapixel crop of that square sensor automatically or manually but if it detects that there's a bunch of people in the frame and you need to take a wide selfie where you'd normally turn it sideways it automatically will switch to a horizontal 18 megapixel crop for a normal sideways selfie and that's great it's it worked like magic you could hit the button if you wanted to or it would see the number of people in the frame and make a wider selfie for you um everyone should copy this i don't see why not like it seems very smooth and intuitive yeah every couple years there's just one little quality of life improvement that is very small, but actually changes the way that people use their phone a lot.

37:32People take selfies. This is one of those moments. 500 billion people, they say? 500 billion selfies. I was going to use that as a trivia question. Thank God I didn't. Don't I get a point now? Well, he would have been wrong. Never mind. 500 billion selfies were taken. Have there even been 500 billion people? Which I think is more people than have ever lived. Yeah. Either way. a lot. People take lots of selfies on the iPhone. Well, this got by far the most applause in the entire keynote, which was kind of surprising, but also, honestly, I think it's like one of the coolest features of any of the new phones.

38:05It got no applause, really, in our hotel room. Really? I was geeking out about it. Well, and then we shot you down. Micro, four-thirds camera sensor? It's sick as hell. Here's what I will say. I take a lot of selfies. Not necessarily as myself taking the selfies, but I'm involved in a lot of selfies. Because you have I was talking about this. You and me, long arms. We're always the selfie holder. No, it's because he has 20 million subscribers on YouTube. No, that's true. I get asked to take the selfie a lot. But what I do have is the unique opportunity to observe lots and lots of reps of how people take selfies.

38:42Hey, can I take a picture with you? Sure. They take out the phone. They either, you know, some people have the swipe to open the camera. Some people have like the long press on the corner icon, whatever. I get to see that behavior. Then I see how many people immediately go sideways. or how many people go vertical and like frame like from the chest up and like have the two heads in the frame or like try to go wider to get like a little angle or ask me to take it because my arms are longer like all this behavior i i see so many reps of people taking selfies and i saw this and i saw the crowd reaction and this new feature and i'm just like people are gonna love this this is easily the most intuitive like quality of life as you said david like this is a great feature in general for this phone yeah yeah overrated maybe but i think yeah as far as people go yeah people take a lot of selfies camera control yeah we should talk about camera control for a second because i tweeted this and we talked about this yesterday they didn't talk about that at all literally at all they didn't say it by name yeah and in a lot of the photo demos they just didn't even use the button they have like in all of the videos and stuff they just like they would open the camera with like the camera icon and then they would have their hand and they would be tapping the screen yeah that the camera control is right above it's right there but that's not how people use it i know that you had that last year it was like or when they introduced yeah last year they were just like everything was like he's swiping on the camera control icon yeah very deliberately and it made me think like obviously there's more functions behind it there's the visual intelligence and other stuff like that but i also got like at the back of my head i got this feeling about like 3d touch when when apple just kind of stopped talking about 3d touch and then suddenly it just kind of disappeared.

40:15I got that same feeling. It's only been two years. Like it might still exist for a little bit, but I don't know if we feel like that about camera control. Do you guys use camera control? I use it to open the camera app. Yeah. Like it is a faster way because you don't have to like tap on your screen or hold it up to your face to like light it up and then long press the camera button on the front. Yeah. So it is a faster way to do that. I don't use any of the other features of it. Can I have a stupid question? Yeah. Do iPhones not have double tap to open camera? They do not. You can do the action button, though.

40:44Oh, okay. That's because when you were saying how everyone opens their camera, I always open double-tap. Double-tap, yeah. That's the best feature. Speaking of the action, so I was thinking about this yesterday. I was like, well, on the iPhone 15, they added the action button. On the iPhone 16, they added camera control. They've slowly added, like, a lot of things around the edge of the phone. I love it. It's going to be a Stream Deck soon. I love it. I mean, it feels like once they make that foldable iPhone or, like, they're going to eventually have to start getting rid of some of these features.

41:14Well, they put camera control on the air, right? Yeah. They all have camera control. That feels like a lot of work to get that to fit on the air. It's a really skinny button. To not care about it that much, though. Yeah. So they obviously still... It is surprising to me that they put it on the air. I'm surprised by that. I think it's one of those things that is two years in development. Like when we saw the 12 mini, we always... Apple probably always knew there was going to be a 13 mini, even as they saw 12 mini sales bombing. Greatest phone ever made. And I think when they went all in with camera control, they probably were already planning the next generations of phones to also have camera control and decided not to remove it.

41:48But yeah, it was just not in the presentation at all. Yeah. Which was interesting. It was strange. You know what else wasn't in the presentation? What? Siri. Yeah. I looked it up in the transcript. They didn't say it once. Apple intelligence in general. It was on the screen at one point. Is it dub-dub next year, I guess, that we're eventually getting this? Here's what I will say, because I can almost like kind of picture what Apple employees would say to me after hearing this, which is a lot of stuff gets cut from the keynote. Yeah. Right. It's a 90 minute presentation or whatever. Not everything can make it in.

42:16And in the past, I and some of us have complained about them rehashing things that have already existed when they represent the same feature as if it's brand new. So maybe I'm happy that they didn't represent Apple intelligence or Siri or camera control as if we need to hear it again. Yeah. but it did feel un-Apple-like for them to not talk about it. Well, maybe they should have cut Apple Intelligence from the WWDC 2024 keynote and never introduced it in the first one. I don't know how we got all the way back here, but the stabilization on the front-facing video looked really good. The demo of it where it was running the sunlight, I think just made the shot look not great in general, but it was really impressive how stable that was.

42:56And iPhone stabilization seems really good. That's the interesting thing about that front-facing square camera is they're never using the square aspect ratio. They're always using the extra pixels around this part of the sensor they're actually utilizing for different things. So they change the aspect ratio to add more people into the frame, so they make it rectangular. And then the stabilization, they're just cropping into the center and then using that data from the rest of the sensor as like stabilization pixels. Yeah. So yeah, there's a lot of stuff they can do. It looks really good. I will say when I watched that demo, and that's a really good point because it's all that digital stabilization.

43:28But when I watched that demo, I had so many red flags go off in my head about how they could have faked that shot of like had the phone stabilized otherwise and had the actor just hold it like he's pretending. Oh, yeah. So I want to test that for myself. That's a specific thing where I watched a demo and I was like, I want to test that for myself. I think it'll be pretty good. I think it'll be the first video you and I ever made before I worked for you was Mac with a GoPro and you shot a bunch of it on an iPhone and you kept going. The stabilization on this is great. And that was like iPhone 7 or something like that.

43:57Those are the back sensors, which include optical stabilization. And I'm curious if they can do that good of a job. It's also eight years ago. Yeah. Yeah, Action Mode does the same thing. Like Action Mode, which they introduced like two or three years ago. I think it was three years ago. My iPhone 14 or something like that. That also like crops into the sensor. Pretty dramatically. Yeah, pretty dramatically. It's much less sharp, but the stabilization is very, very good. Last thing on this one, they also added a 48 megapixel ultrawide camera, which means the entire lineup of iPhones all have all ultrawide cameras on the back.

44:32There is not a single lens on the back of any of the iPhones anymore that is not 48 megapixels. Which is nice. Which is nice because it allows them to do all this different sort of crop-in stuff. They're all fusion cameras. They're all that stuff. And also when nothing tries to fake comparison videos, they can't use the 12 megapixel ultrawide and say that there's better and better to everyone. Yeah. it also has ceramic shield 2 now which we were talking about this morning over breakfast uh the last time they called it ceramic the new ceramic shield next generation next generation brad from mobile syrup and he was saying that like he specifically asked someone that they thought the reason for naming it ceramic shield 2 this time was because it was a big enough upgrade even though they have upgraded it in the past 2x better yeah always 2x better uh also the colors are incredible.

45:22Yep. Specifically the sage. I'm a sage fan. Incredible is a strong word. Have you seen the green? Yeah. Yeah, but it's not sage. I have. Yeah. It's weird. I've seen some other videos now where that did look more sage, but I feel like when we saw it on It looks darker in real life than it does on Yeah, when we saw it on the, I don't know what was going on. It felt very bright, but I've seen some clips now of people shooting video and it does look, it looks like sage on a phone. It is definitely a darker than I would say. One of my friends messaged me yesterday and was like, your boots are on the ground.

45:52Do you think the iPhone 17 is the... Should I get that over the 16? Is that the move? Because it's the move. Ellis, the move is... Fortune cookie says. Fortune cookie says. What was the answer, David? Well, what he generally does is usually when a new tech product comes out, he buys the last year's generation for like much cheaper. Nice. But the thing is, Apple is selling this iPhone 16 for only$100 less than this. And that's at a lower base storage. Yeah. Right? So like it's almost like they're the same price. Yeah. If you account for the storage, but you're also getting the front facing, the better front facing camera, the ceramic shield 2, the better rear camera, the 120 hertz.

46:34I mean, brightness, everything is better. I would not spend that much on a 60 hertz phone. No. You literally no longer can justify it. As long as there was a 60 hertz new iPhone that existed, people could always justify it. Now that that doesn't exist anymore, I can't. Just get the. one of the questions we asked people at the event yesterday was do you think people outside the tech community can tell the difference between 60 and 120 hertz yeah and i feel like we got a resounding no way i think people can tell the difference if you ask them if they can tell yeah i i more like people don't care i have thoughts on i think it would be hard for people to articulate what they're seeing but i do think that people would notice a difference especially when you tell them to look for a difference.

47:21One interesting thing that we heard yesterday was a guy saying that on his mom's Z flip seven, I think maybe six, maybe five. I think it was fold because he gave, he said he upgrades every fold and I'm assuming it was his mom's, not his. I assumed he gave his mom's. No, his mom had the flip, I thought. Okay. No, his grandpa. Shut up, Andrew. No, but he was saying he turned it off on his mom's phone. And the only thing his mom noticed was that the battery life got better. She doesn't notice that it's 60 hertz. Yeah. Wouldn't the battery life get better if you had dynamic, like down to one hertz?

47:56Well, you're never scrolling it. I think it just caps. I think it's up to 60 or up to 120. Oh, I see. But it is a Samsung, not an iPhone. Interesting. Yeah, you know, there's probably an age range where people stop noticing. I don't know. I definitely notice. I have theories on it. I just find it hard to not notice. Maybe I'm too dialed. I'm too dialed. It's just wild to me that Apple is even still selling the iPhone 16. Like, it makes no sense. Dude, teal. Yeah, that's true. Got him. Hey, so 17, it's out there. It's the same starting price as last year. I think it's a really good overall upgrade to the base phone.

48:36You know, for 256, the Pixel 10 is more expensive. No. That's crazy. That's crazy. I'm so mad at you. wow because i always i've been thinking like i mean the pixel 10 has three cameras but like the pixel 10 is a good deal and so we kind of have to we're forced to think of the iphone 17 as a good deal also you do get an iphone 17 is a great i think it's a great deal yeah yeah so then should we go to the professional yeah the pros okay perfect i think i'm gonna be a pro person i'm definitely gonna be a pro what 17 pro and 17 pro max these phones are i almost i'm thinking about already what my title of the review is going to be and i keep the word maximalist keeps coming to my head things got bigger they got thicker they're overdoing parts of it and i love it you know how there were all those rumors of like the iphone 17 ultra and how it was going to be ultra rugged and it was sort of like the apple watch ultra this to me like the design of this almost feels like an iphone ultra um maybe the most they've ever done yeah i think when you compare it it feels sporty i think also the orange with the ultra it feels like the ultra watch oh sure yeah yeah and it feels kind of it feels kind of sporty it's like tough and like rugged it almost feels like an otterbox case yeah in its shape i would say i still when i compare it to other ultra phones that exist it still does not feel like an ultra phone no doesn't have a second telephoto or super fast charging or a big 6 000 million power silicate carbon battery or whatever but this is the most maximal i've ever seen an iphone and i like that about it so what's new first of all they've gone back to aluminum it was titanium it was stainless steel and it used to be aluminum back in the day they're back to aluminum because they're doing this honestly i actually kind of like it a lot of phones in the past have been like the aluminum frame and then glass front back yeah this is an aluminum unibody iphone with a glass cutout yeah and then a glass front it took me so long to realize that that was the cutout of the unibody i thought it was just kind of like a design change on the back and then i was like oh no the rest of that is the body that is just literally wireless charge yeah it kind of but i think that's nice instead of being a glass phone with aluminum rails it is a metal phone yeah so i i don't i didn't think too hard about the weight when i was holding it it's heavy it's a big maximalist phone but yes this is a an all metal unibody uh aluminum phone now right with glass cutouts and it is it's kind of part of the design they've kind of embraced that like two-tone i love the design and then the top is the plateau the The plateau.

51:07Okay, so they named it. They called it a plateau, but basically that top bar with the cameras and the flash and the microphone and the LiDAR is still there, I think, too. Yeah, yeah. And all that is, it's got this big bar at the top of the phone that also has a glass cutout. And so it houses the cameras, obviously, but there are also more components that they've kind of pushed up into the top of the phone in order to maximize the battery in the bottom part of the phone. Yeah. Which I like that too. Right. I think that's great. They've also moved, they've sort of reshuffled the A19 Pro chip that it has now closer to the middle of the phone where they've placed a first time ever vapor chamber in the iPhone.

51:50And so now they've had this whole section of the keynote about how much better thermals are going to be and how much better cooling is going to be and how much, I think 40 % better sustained performance. So basically don't expect this to thermally throttle because the vapor chamber and the dissipation from the aluminum unibody frame will all be way better than previous iphones i tend to believe that um and that's exciting to see especially if you game or if you're going to do like long term well okay you brought up a thing yeah that i actually thought about which might not actually have a difference which is shooting videos i'm interested in that so this is the vapor chamber and the heat dissipation from the system is going to be great for heat that comes from the system yeah so if i'm recording videos in here or if i'm gaming in here or rendering a video in here that will spike the temperature of the system and eventually throttle and it'll take longer because of the better thermal properties but when we go outside and record videos it's just hot outside yeah and that's just going to heat it up on from the outside from the outside anyway which is different yeah and so i think we're still you know when we go out and it's like all the screens dim and it's like gonna overheat and it's like it's just because it's hot out and like all cameras overheat when that's hot outside i think that's still gonna be true yeah it's stuff for like if you're playing games and the chipset is getting hot it moves the heat around and it keeps it cooler but if you're just getting hit from the sun like there's no way for the system to like keep the phone cool maybe the orange will reflect the sun yeah yeah that's also you know how they say like opposites attract but seems like orange the sun is orange and this is orange so they'll they'll repel that's like science don't do that god i guess while we're on the topic of the colors uh the aluminum is either going to be orange silver or deep blue you might have said notice that i didn't say black or space gray or any neutral dark uh that's very upsetting to me it is want to put it out there and i took that personally and it is wild because black is the most popular phone color by far yeah blue no by a large margin and the fact that apple decided to go you know what not only we're not going to do the most popular phone color ever we're going to use the most polarizing color ever and make it bright orange yeah is wild so uh yeah those are the options i don't i guess i'm gonna have to go dark blue i don't know if i have a choice can we get an orange check here we asked everybody okay yesterday by the way you have to see it in person cosmic orange i saw it in person i'm i haven't told me this morning that you don't like it anymore that's where i stand on it so say that out loud i do not like it anymore i won't change my mind i haven't seen it in person i think this is the most i've ever been compelled to buy an iphone brand new design is part of that reason i think the new design unibody camera bump cutout and orange altogether is my favorite iphone i've ever seen so andrew's in on orange david this is coming from someone who's literally never used an iphone i'm out on orange i thought i thought it was going to be interesting and i saw it in person and i just think it's too much okay yeah adam's out on our silver looks amazing and and silver is the raw aluminum color right so when you chip when you chip it it's not going to look different underneath the color well that's good you're anodizing all the other colors so you can paint tina do you see the back of my laptop right now it's character ls are you out on or in on orange dude i have flip-flopped so many times i'm with since seeing this phone.

55:13Like, the pictures, I love the color orange. It's one of my favorite colors. So I was like, orange iPhone. I was ready to put my credit card down as soon as the rumors came out. And then I saw the renders, and I was like, yes. And then I saw one in person yesterday, and I was like...

55:55this is what I'm saying. I was kind of likening it to, there's been other like bright red phones in the past where I'm like, that seems like a shirt I would wear once and feel really cool in, but I don't want to wear it every day. Yeah. I feel like I have to go dark blue. I think that silver is like. But I don't mind the silver. Silver's nice. I just can't, I shoot so much videos of like reflective things, I can't have a light camera. That's fair. So I can't use the silver. The silver, the glass cutouts are white. Yeah. And that's just a bright phone for me. That is true. So I'm going. Just put a skin on it.

56:21Honestly, yeah, I'm just going to de-brand it dark. Yeah.

56:26It's a clear case where the glass part is white. Yeah. That on the orange, the dreamsicle iPhone. Oh, okay. That's gonna go hard. Actually, yeah, that's not a bad, yeah. That's a good point. That's nice. Okay. Well, yeah, so that's the colors. And, you know, I think the new design in general has a lot of us liking it, but the colors may be a little bit polarizing. But there's some other stuff that's new. Let's see the Pro. So the batteries are larger and they're quoting longer battery life. Hard to get a sense of how much longer. we're gonna have to test these phones but if you go by the hours of video playback number that they give it's so funny that we're still doing that by the way because video decoding is like the easiest thing to do now even though it used to be the hardest thing you and i know that it's a silly number but it's the number they keep giving so it's what we have to go with as far as quotes because they don't give milliamp hours but they're going 39 hours on the 17 pro max max versus 33 from the 16 pro max so what no the from the 16 pro max 39 so the 16 pro max last year they were quoting 33 hours of video playback now they're going up to a max of 39 so maybe like eight to ten percent more battery i've i've been living in the dark ages for so long that number like hurts my head i mean don't watch 30 hours of video in a row don't do that you can't make it 30 minutes of video yeah but yeah i know that that's a different world from the 12 mini but yeah more battery which is great i mean considering the regular 17 pro is now quoted at 33 hours where the 16 pro max used to be 33 hours like that's pretty good that's pretty nice pretty good the phones are a little thicker and if i'm remembering feeling them in my hand correctly a little bit heavier too maybe i'm imagining that but they are they are more maximal so i wouldn't be shocked it's also it's more metal heavier than titanium but it's aluminum unibody no titanium is lighter titanium is but there's more metal versus there's more metal because the previous one it was just the frame yeah with more glass and then this time it's the whole unibody except for the cutout yeah so i do think i do think it's a little bit heavier um wait hold on that's an ai overview gotta gotta let me find a source but i i think titanium is heavier i vaguely i vaguely remember when we had aluminum phones they went to stainless steel and it was like this is polished and pretty but it's heavier and then they went to titanium and they said this is lighter than stainless steel yeah the whole but not necessarily lighter than aluminum.

58:49Oh, I see. Got you. I might be wrong. So I don't remember versus aluminum. Either way, chunky phone, right? It's still got the triple cameras. These are all bigger cameras. And yes, it's now a 48 megapixel 4X telephoto camera instead of 5X. I think this works really nicely. We had 5X before on a 12X 12 megapixel. God, I'm saying a lot of numbers. We had a 5X 12 megapixel telephoto before. That gap between 1X and 5X was kind of far, but you could work with it. and then you got to the zoom and you could get crisper photos at 5x again. But now that gap is smaller because it's only 4x and it's a higher resolution so you can then continue to zoom further and have more pixels.

59:258x range, quote unquote. Yeah, because now they're all fusion cameras so you can crop into the center on each of them. It is kind of nice just to have like this linear progression where it's 0.5, 1, 2, 4, 8. So it's doubling every time which is kind of nice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so better zoom performance and then ceramic shield 2 on the front and the back. And the back. Which is nice. That millimeter wave antenna at the top of the phone was an interesting choice. Yeah, we gotta talk about that. It's a look. So on the iPhone 16 Pro, they were able to move the millimeter wave cutout, which used to be just this little glass window that allowed the 5G to come through.

1:00:05They were able to move it into the antenna bands. And then this year, they didn't really show this in the keynote at all, but you see it in person. the very top of the phone there's a giant millimeter wave window and it does not look great it's funny too because they added more space for antennas with the plateau yeah but then had to re-add because the edge of the plateau is an antenna it's literally an antenna it's so weird that they need to do that i don't know it's just like a more contrasty looking iphone it's like a two-tone iphone it's like the metal and then the cutout at the top and the cutout at the plateau and then cut out for the charging it's just different looking i love it yeah yeah so yeah ceramic shield 2 on the front and the back and you get that new selfie camera and then some genuinely pro features uh prores raw video recording i will test that for sure yeah i only the only other prores raw camera that i have is our red v raptor just crazy just to put that in perspective crazy yeah it's a codec camera it's not even about price it's just about like demographic no it's about demographic like nobody shoots ProRes raw but then every time you listen to Apple they're like shoot ProRes shoot ProRes raw you get the raw malleability of the footage but obviously it's smaller do you think that's why it starts at 256 no because you can only shoot ProRes raw with an external drive right right right I didn't hear that well that's the way the 16 Pro was right someone back me up on this I think no I'm right no I think 16 Pro it was not with extra it was like on the 128 gigabyte model you were not able to shoot ProRes.

1:01:34I think it was a storage thing. They basically, like, you had to buy the 256 or higher model to even shoot ProRes on the 16 Pro. Am I hallucinating right now? I swear this is a thing that you could only shoot ProRes Raw on the iPhone. It makes me sort of feel like the reason they made the base storage higher is so that they didn't have to have that weird artificial limitation anymore. Because it used to be that you literally could not use one of the features if you bought one of the lower storage phones, which was a very weird thing for Apple to do. I appreciate the more storage. um yeah pro res raw will take more storage than progress a lot more yeah um also genlock support yeah which is me and rufus went nuts it's so funny i was sitting in the in the theater later and talking to a journalist who was like so genlock like is anybody gonna use that and i was like honestly probably not but no no no so did you see us dude think about so uh the the the movie that just came out 28 years later with that crazy iphone yeah rig the rig that without gen lock versus that with gen lock is like possibly hundreds of hours yeah well someone was saying someone online was saying that they probably developed this for that movie so that they could like use that rig yeah and then they were like well we have this now for for those that don't know gen lock is sort of like a shared time like it's time code so when you like when you when you share time code a bunch of um between a bunch of cameras it syncs the start time of the video file but it doesn't actually sync the internal clocks of the camera just make sure they all start at the same time uh gen lock actually sends out a pulse that tells each camera frame frame frame frame frame so that every camera is taking a frame is the same are we doing gen lock in the studio right now no i don't probably not because we're shooting on 16 pros but in a situation like this it could potentially be pretty this is like the situation yeah it also is i believe right now only available through a black magic yeah uh thing but he did say there is an api available so it sounds like there could be other third-party adapters yeah that would help which is nice support it yeah so overall iphone 17 pro and pro max feel like like i said not quite at the level of like maxed out hardware ultra phones that we've seen but the most maximalist iphones that we've ever seen and i like them there was one other small thing that i thought was kind of interesting that we'll never really get to see a difference in but it was that the north american versions are e sim only and they specifically mentioned using that sim card space for more battery yeah Which means there will be two different iPhone 17 Pros with different battery sizes based on what region you're in.

1:04:17Have they ever done that before? One of them is slightly more all day. Even more all day. I wonder what the numbers on that are. I want to know how much milliamp hours are in a SIM card tray space. I think this is something we can figure out. Whoever's watching this podcast, if you can find the milliamp hour number difference between an iPhone 17 Pro in an eSIM region and an iPhone 17 Pro in a regular SIM region, then we'll know exactly how much more battery they saved and are giving us by not having a regular SIM card in our phones. Yeah, yeah. So there you go. 58 milliamp hours. 30 is my guess.

1:04:56I'm going to go with 50. be i think they're gonna add the entire battery life of my 12 minutes i think that's 12 probably exactly 12 milliamp hours all right okay well i think uh we're gonna talk about the iphone air not 17 air notably yeah uh for quite a while so before we do that we should probably do our second trivia segment but it's not just regular trivia were you paying attention that's right i was i'm so ready you you just said you weren't paying attention i got lucky and i feel like i'm on a roll all right second question they showed off two new watch faces for the apple watch series 11 not getting this one was called flow which had liquid glass numerals the other was a quote modern interpretation of a traditional regulator clock end quote oh yeah what was that one called yeah i don't know i don't know i googled traditional regulator clock and i just got a bunch of pictures of clocks what is a regulator clock well well guys there's an article on wood magazine which is a hilarious title uh called what is a regulator clock and i will read this just pictures of you all over that magazine

1:06:14what if it was a magazine about things that could possibly happen and it was spelled w-o-l-w-o-u-l-d magazine anyway that's never mind we'll be right back

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1:08:24iPhone Air is new to the lineup. It is, I guess, not an iPhone 17. It's an iPhone Air. It's part of the lineup of new phones. In your defense, in the doc, it does say 17 Air. It does. Yeah. Oh, okay. Well, they said iPhone Air on stage, and I remember writing that in my tweet, being careful not to say 17, because they didn't say 17. But it's in the middle of the lineup. It's the$1 ,000 phone. It's replacing the Plus. Yeah. Okay. So it's more expensive than the base iPhones. It's less expensive than the Pro iPhones. They took some stuff from the Pro iPhones that I didn't expect them to, which was interesting because we heard about this ultra-thin phone.

1:08:56And then they also took some stuff from the base iPhones. So the basic idea, if you haven't already seen, is it's a crazy razor-thin iPhone. To be precise, 5.6 millimeters. Thinner than the S25 Edge. Notably, probably important to them, they are the thinner one. Of course, there is also still that plateau at the top. This phone reminds me more than ever of the Nexus 6P. but it's a single camera the 48 megapixel fusion camera and then it's just thin thin thin thin buttons thin camera control thin action button the port at the bottom there's no speakers at the bottom of the phone yeah that's strange i uh i saw this because i posted yeah i put my short out and i was like wow these speaker holes at the bottom are really small and then all the comments were like i checked apple's website there's actually no speakers at the bottom that's just the microphone holes, it's just a single speaker at the top.

1:09:49Wait, is it mono? It's a single, yeah, not mono, but yeah, it's not. Well, I guess technically it is mono. It's a single speaker at the top. Is it two drivers inside one? It's probably two drivers at the top. But it's usually the earpiece speaker. I don't know where it comes from. Just in the plateau. Oh yeah, the earpiece speaker, and they could do it in stereo. Yeah, most phones have speaker at the top of the phone, speaker at the bottom of the phone. This one is so thin and is so focused on just filling it up with battery that they have not put a speaker at the bottom of the phone. They have also not put a SIM card tray at the bottom of the phone.

1:10:23It's eSIM only globally. Globally. They have also not put an ultrawide, obviously, or a telephoto camera. It's just a single camera. And it is Ceramic Shield 2 front and back, and it's a titanium frame. Yeah. They chose to put the A19 Pro in this phone, minus one GPU core. yeah but the a19 pro chip and there we're chatting about this it seems like yeah that's a more potentially efficient chip overall that's what was very funny is like yeah i was worried i was like why would they put this more intense chip in this phone but then they were like and it gets even better battery life yeah like how does the pro chip get better battery life so it's you know i think almost every choice about the hardware of this phone paradoxically is to maximize battery life yeah every single because it is so thin that the only thing that they can optimize for is just whatever they can do just put more battery in this phone um and we'll talk about battery in a second but usb 2 instead of usb 3 yeah it's a it's a slower slower bus okay if you want to move files from it but obviously you're probably not going to be shooting like you know because it doesn't you're not even allowed to shoot pro res raw or any of that stuff on this phone yeah so you know it's a six and a half inch screen up front so it is a little bigger than the smallest iphone and it is a pro motion display which again that's great it's going to have all the way down to one hertz that's efficient always on great um and yeah it's it's not going to have the the vapor chamber or any of the thermal improvements that the pro had so the the behavior of the ship is going to be interesting to watch when we test it because it may be more efficient at the low end but when you do try to do bursty or like longer sustained performance stuff yeah is it going to overheat instantly in throttle yeah is it gonna get really hot because there's no vapor chamber i don't know yeah we'll have to see they tried to miniaturize basically everything they made a new version of the c1 modem the c1 modem and they said this specifically in the keynote they were like we only released the c1 modem six months ago and now we've got the c1x yeah so in the iphone 16e we saw that custom C1 modem, right?

1:12:36Because they wanted to move away from Qualcomm, all this stuff. And now they said this in the keynote, it was only six months ago that we introduced the C1 modem. Now we're introducing the C1X modem, which they say is two times faster than the C1 modem. I do not know what that means when it comes to a modem. That seems crazy. But it's apparently also 30 % more battery efficient. And as we said, everything is about battery efficiency. And this was part of the whole N1 chip package for all of their network connectivity. So there's the N1 chip, which does Wi-Fi 7, Bluetooth 6, and thread radios all in one chip as well.

1:13:12Yeah. Which is, yeah. So I think the idea behind all of this is to just be maximally efficient. It's the same idea as like when we had Intel chips versus Apple Silicon in these laptops, and they got much better battery life and efficiency because they were dialed for what they wanted to do with them instead of off the shelf. Same thing. if you're going to gear this thing towards paradoxically maximum battery life then that makes sense for this phone and they put almost everything in the plateau area of this phone yeah they put as much battery as they could physically fit in the bottom half of the phone yeah it was both cameras front and back uh speaker chip it's just like literally that's what the plateau yeah like most of the stuff is in the plateau yeah people are making jokes that the next iPhone, the next nano device is just going to be the plateau.

1:13:56With the big camera. Honestly. That would look like Sully for Monsters Inc. Yeah. That'd be kind of sick. Yeah. So, you know, you're not getting macro camera, spatial, you can't do spatial photos because it needs at least two cameras, so you can do any of that. You're not getting ProRAW, no cinematic mode, no spatial video, no ProRes video, no Academy color grading or encoding, no Apple Log 2, no Genlock, no macro video, no studio quality for microarray, no millimeter wave, oh no. But it's 5.6 millimeters thin. This is the whole thing, right? It's like you're giving up so much for something that feels, yes, it does feel amazing and shocking.

1:14:35Yeah. But I just wonder how long is it going to take for that veneer to wear off and for you to be like, but what about all the features and the fact that this has probably horrible battery life? yeah i will say that testing and using s25 edge i had a similar arc of feelings and thoughts which was okay we see the videos oh it looks really cool and thin but like nobody's asking for this what are we doing here oh you'll probably sell a few the ad's really cool and snazzy but like whatever and then i hold it and i go damn that's nice it's like kind of i kind of want to use this phone and it looks cool on video and you can tell it's thin but it's it's thin and light so the combo of like holding this like uh i don't know it's just a it's a crazy piece of hardware in your hand and it has a promotion display on the front and it's a totally smooth like usable iphone and you're like dang this is kind of impressive i went through that also and then but like logically it is a worse phone and the only way to justify buying the edge is to really like the fact that it's so thin and light that is the only thing that will make you buy it over the other phones so how much do you really want or are impressed by that yeah is the question yeah um it is yeah the brighter screen titanium all that fun stuff it looks fine this phone was invented to miniaturize the parts so that they can it's one half of the iphone fold okay yeah so this is my that's what this is i kind of like started this thought in the impressions video and i'll probably have to try to finish it in the review but i kind of feel like you can only see this phone one of two ways way number one is apple is just trying it and you know they they tried the mini thing like ella's bought one but who else like has it you know not a lot of sales right so then they move to the plus they're like oh people like big screens we'll do the plus phones and then they had the plus phones for a little bit and those were okay sales but not really killing it so that was the worst selling one yeah it didn't hit and so now they're like oh what if we do ultra thin and so they go through the process of miniaturizing and one chip and all this fun stuff and so now they're just throwing something at the wall and seeing if it sticks.

1:16:40That's one way you could see it. The other way you could see it is Apple has been dreaming of this for years, and this is a long time in the making. And this is the first step towards every phone being this thin. They just needed to get the right combination of parts and Apple Silicon and battery technology and hardware and displays and everything to finally make this a real phone. And in the same way that like the first MacBook Air kind of sucked and was underpowered, but then now every laptop is that thin and it's totally fine. That's also going to happen with smartphones. This iPhone Air is a little underpowered.

1:17:18It might overheat. It has a really weak battery, but when they finally get like Silicon Carbon and like Apple Silicon gets even more efficient and all this stuff, it's going to be like a totally normal iPhone and we'll all have phones like this everywhere. Yeah. It's interesting because they made a new mag safe battery that is very thin profile and which i want only works with the air but design actually designed for the air it's designed for the air it doesn't only work for the air with the air you could put it on another phone but you would have to put it sideways because of the way oh how tall it is because the plateau is so tall yes i didn't even think it's higher up yeah can you not use normal mag safe on the iphone no no it's you can it's just that this magsafe battery specifically is like it's specifically designed for the size it's really thin in the biggest red flag of all red flags they've designed a battery just for this ultra thin phone that you can slap to the back yeah and like yeah you can oh we could always slap a battery to the back of your phone but you're like oh for this one we're gonna make a special one because we know people are gonna want it makes it the same thickness as the regular one it makes the same thickness as a regular phone and it totals now the same overall battery as the pro max right with that 3 150 million as the pro max as the pro max oh bro everyone everyone says they want a modular phone and then we get a sort of modular phone it's like red flag well okay do you remember do you remember the moto z yeah that was before ellis came on ultra thin moto z was i was still in preschool when that came out that was a ridiculously thin phone it might have also been five millimeters like a usb c port barely fit in that phone yeah and they had the pins on the back and you could slap a battery to the back and they had a specially designed that was also a red flag there's a projector it's the same projector yeah or yeah that was a projector attachment you could slap the battery on the back charge up the battery then pop that off and put another moto mod on the back and then do other stuff with it or take it off and use it as a super thin phone and that was really cool but it's like yeah they did the battery accessory because they knew that this phone would need that type of thing yeah same exact red flag here it's just an apple design language and it's very pretty and it's nice but it is definitely gonna have a bad battery life without that thing yeah so now we know i yeah what would you consider a bad battery life for this valid question uh so they said all day battery without this battery bank i you know i tend to measure my battery life in screen on time which is like this old stat that's come from android phones where it's like i have had my phone on for four and a half hours today and here's the breakdown of all the apps that i was using it for four and a half hours for a good battery life for me used to be four hours now it's seven or eight uh i that's really good right yeah eight hours screen on time i think like five six feels like five or six is like good fine good and i would suspect that this one's going to be four to five which is usable it's probably fine but it's not going to be good it's not going to be good battery life yeah that's what i'm guessing for they quote 27 hours of playback a video playback which is what two-thirds of the yeah which is 39 was the 39 is the pro max from pro max yeah pro is 33 33 um like three quarters yeah yeah and then with the battery they quote 40 hours of playback so you know i still i still think it's just that they're gonna make that foldable and they needed to make they needed to engineer the components you're saying this is what samsung just did yeah this is literally what samsung just did they released the s25 edge and then like three months later they released the fold 7 which is the s25 edge in two parts part that slaps itself together yeah yeah yeah so you're saying foldable iphone confirmed yeah no way yeah next year probably i'm sure just checking but yeah i don't know i mean now that would allow them and you know if they were able to fit the entire foldable iphone in the plateau then the second half of the foldable iphone could all be battery that would be crazy crazy battery life.

1:21:32That's the one Ellis is buying. Yeah. Straight from a mini to a Fold. No, there's got to be something in between, bro. My phone is like... The past two weeks have been specifically so painful on the old 12 mini. She's barking. Did I tell you the lady on the flight next to me on the way here had a Z Fold 7? Oh, yeah. She never closed it. Wow. Never closed it. Did die in five minutes? We're doing a bonus episode that'll come out after this where we talked to people on the street at the apple event three three separate people that we talked to had 12 series phones oh interesting 12 series phones no one had a mini okay i don't think you need it to clarify well you know that's kind of where we're at as far as like you know we talk about this every year with apple and targeting like you probably don't need a new phone every single year but how far back are you that you should upgrade to these new phones and I think it's probably pretty common for people to be right around the 12 or the 13 series right now yeah and those people will find any of these tempting I think yeah this is something I was thinking about actually earlier when we were doing the pixel stuff because I switched over to the pixel and I noticed I was I was just texting people and it was just like rcs chat with this person rcs chat with this person and I was like you know apple was really stubborn about adding rcs but the fact that they force people to update their software and that their software update numbers are so high means that wow i can use rcs with all these iphone people now and i didn't have to force them to update their phones yeah it was pretty nice yeah it's pretty handy yeah so i you know i i think the 17 the 17 air i think the iphone air am i allowed to call it 17 air no no okay i I think the iPhone Air is a really interesting bet.

1:23:23We will be testing it. I will find out exactly how good or bad the battery life is. Stay tuned. Get subscribed. It does feel and look amazing, I have to say. It does feel super light and super thin and very impressive, just like the thin iPad, just like the S25 Edge, just like the S11 Ultra tablet. Just like the iPhone 6. Yeah, that 6 Plus, that has a reputation. Yeah, we'll see if it bends. But the idea is it's a super thin phone, and we'll see how well it does. I have one more thing. One more thing? Uh-oh. That's very appropriate. Vision Pro 2. It is a little. This is just something I noticed.

1:23:58As far as I can tell, none of these new phones that were announced are compatible with the Apple Polishing Cloth. Oh, yeah, true. Dang. As of right now, the Polishing Cloth is only up to the iPhone 16 Pro. I've been refreshing the page to make sure they didn't update it. They still have it. So be careful. If you use this. We might get polishing cloth two times softer. I don't want to make any claims, but allegedly, if you use the Apple polishing cloth on any of the 17 series phones or the Air, it will be destroyed instantly. Did you miss ours? It's like a particle and an antiparticle. We did this as an April Fool's joke a while ago.

1:24:35We took the first phone that's not on the list and Marques did sleight of hand to pretend to wipe it and then it would just shatter it right after. Light imitates art, man. and I don't know what else to tell you. Could happen. I think somebody just has to update the page here. Yeah, probably. But you know what else imitates art? Trivia. Nice. Thanks. Before we hit the second button, I just want to say a big shout out and thank you to the amazing audio engineering team running this session right now, whose limiters are so dialed in that I literally couldn't clip my mic when I tried to yell at Andrew earlier.

1:25:12It just doesn't work. But anyway. And everyone else who helped here set this up. Always appreciate it. Yeah, truly. There's lighting and camera. I know you like sound so much. I don't know what any of that stuff is. Ellis only cares about audio. I only care about audio. Were you paying attention? And whether you guys were paying attention or not. Guys. Genlock. Genlock. That's it. I just care about Genlock. Guys, there's a new thing that they added to the trail loop. And I just want to say, when I was writing this question, I kept being like, I'm calling it the trail loop. It's called the trail band.

1:25:45A trail loop is what you walk on when you do a hike. Damn, I've been calling it a trail loop this whole time. And I kept changing it. Well, it is called the trail loop. It is called the trail loop. Oh my God. Yeah, I double wronged myself. But what's new with it, guys? What did they, here, I'll give you a little hint. What's the deal with the trail loop? What did they add? To the trail loop. Yes. Specifically. Yeah. They mentioned this a couple times. I'm not shocked that Andrew knows this. I miss it every time. It's my favorite band they make. So much so that I have a knockoff Garmin version of it.

1:26:14the knockoff version is going to add this too for sure oh yeah I've already had it I mean they'll add it just because on the Amazon link to the title just making sure we didn't miss any emergency things that happened if you get this question I'm getting this I'm getting this wrong all right everyone who wants to go first I think Andrew I think okay so why doesn't David go first then because I'm wrong well because you put the different thing yeah yeah I wrote magnets yes actually did they no they didn't add magnets but they did add magnets to a lot of stuff this year well yeah we'll get to that anyway go ahead oh we didn't talk about the cross body strap I know that's fine we just did there we go look that's fine it's very popular in Asia it has magnets now yeah they have a yeah cross body strap has magnets so that's why I was thinking maybe the trail loop no I like the way you think and you're right we need we need more cross body i thought he was wrong he's wrong all right what is the answer the answer is what andrew and marquez put which is one two three reflective thread material what does that mean technically if we're being pedantic you're both wrong let's go uh because they refer to it everywhere as a reflective yarn i just remember it was like whoa i thought they mentioned it was woven but i think yarn's not thread i think i'll give you the point mark i said material Well, thread is part of matter.

1:27:44The idea is the trail loop now has on the outsides. It's got this little reflective material in it, which will make you more visible. I feel like they didn't show that in the... Could you see it when you saw it? Like, could you see the reflective thing? I mean, yeah, but it was in daylight. I want to see what it looks like. They didn't show it on the thing, but I thought it was interesting. I want to see what it looks like patinaed because a lot of the 3M reflective material only lasts like a few years before it's no longer reflective you should have updated three times by then just get a new watch bro how did you erase this my fingy oh yeah do you want do you want to use my fingy um wait so does andrew get that point yeah mark has an angry i'm just being a little nudnik over here sometimes magnets are reflective sometimes if you polish them with I'm pretending with Genlock.

1:28:38If you polish that, if you take the Blackmagic iPhone accessory and you rub it on a rare earth magnet. I just love that Apple will randomly like bring out some random like industry term that 98 % of the people that are watching the event have no idea what that means. Not to keep talking about Genlock, but the really cool part about using an iPhone as a camera is that you can use so many of them with such a small space and power footprint. and so the ability to frame sync 50 cameras like that 60 cameras 100 cameras you can literally make up a number that is like that is like that really opens up the door to a lot of like experimental filmmaking especially what we do like picture what we could do in robot room with 200 iphones all gen locked i'm gonna gen lock myself in a room after this event brandon's here i'm gonna pass it over to adam now because i've been talking for a while second you don't have to pass it over because we each have our own mic oh my god i know it's weird so question number two but first quick update on the score marquez wait quick update on the score wait wait has and i were right last week about the 89 on the dxo mark so update that score so last week the question was what scored dxo mark did the pixel have when it launched the first one you both put 89 that is what it was when it launched they changed it after to 90 so a lot of people yelled at me saying that it was 89 and you guys get the point uh so question number two yeah they showed off two new watch faces for the apple watch series 11 one of them was called flow mickey mouse the other one was a modern interpretation of a traditional regulator clock what was that one called also why the music's playing you never actually updated the scores i know marquez has four now andrew has seven david has two what yeah David, come on.

1:30:29What's going on? David, get your head to the game, bro. He spent all his karma last year. He wins one trivia and then that's it. I guess so. Make sure you give me 30 points in the extravaganza. I am not getting this right. This question is now worth 30 points. Who wants to go first? Did we all write the same thing, actually? I'm wrong. I wrote the Waypoint face. That was a cool thing. that the always on display could live update yeah with the like one um andrew and i both wrote airmez airmez yeah that was one of the new it was like the clock town it was a cool one but no that's not the one this one's called exactograph oh rolls off the tone wow that's pretty cool it was a cool one i liked it what was the some the sync clock or whatever genlock no no genlock next year it's gonna be gen lock gen 2 oh my god gen 2 x4

1:31:34i have a question why is it always gen lock and never jennifer lock huh why are we not being formal if you guys were apple how are you or if you were betting on apple ew what do you think is the next most likely pro named feature to move to a non-pro device this podcast is sponsored by polymarket and draft kings that's not true only allegedly uh i think they're gonna gen lock pro the next pro wait ask the question again i was too busy making a bad so pro motion was the first pro labeled feature to move to a non-pro labeled device in the 17 and the 17 air or the air yeah what is the next between like pro res pro res raw pro raw photos between all the pro labeled features what's the next most likely you think they could move?

1:32:20Pro Fusion. Is that a thing? No. The cameras. That's just called Fusion. The bases already have that. Oh, so it already has it. It's just Fusion. No, no, no. It's not Pro Fusion. But it's not called Pro Fusion. It's just Pro Fusion. It's just Fusion camera. Oh. Yeah. I think it's good. You're thinking of that other Fusion thing from a long time ago? Deep Fusion? Deep Fusion. Oh, God. Deep Fusion. Are there even that many Pro features left? There's only like four by name. I think they're all camera. Pro Raw photos. ProRes video, ProRes Raw video, and Prologue. Prologue. Is there anything else? I think every new iPhone is going to come with a Honda Prologue.

1:32:59Oh, yeah. I would believe that before Pro. I think it's going to be Pro-Raw. Pro-Raw. Yeah, I could see that. You need a lot of storage for ProRes video, but you can do Pro-Raw. Yeah, you can do Pro-Raw. I'll go and they're going to announce another Pro feature, and that will be the one that comes first. they eventually have to start moving them over right because like that's what happens every year is every single year they take the base iphone and they take something that was just in the better iphone from the previous year and they put it in the base iphone so they have to be careful about what they name pro because they have to be sure they're not going to move it yeah they ran out and they just yeah i'm just surprised that they called it that like they could have called it something else and just said it was worse for some reason so you guys have all failed there's actually already one the a19 pro is in the iphone air yeah but the air but the air is not it's not a pro it's not a numbered yeah i guess but if it started if it started in it is a non-pro also it's not but it is a non-pro phone but the iphone air is not like a numbered phone you know like yeah iphone 16 i agree 17 but i'm just saying a19 pro non-pro phone so who says the air isn't a Pro.

1:34:08Air Pro Max. The name. Yeah. English. Air Pro. Yeah. Okay. Hey, we've been chatting for a while. Yes. Thank you guys for watching and listening. Of course, your regular scheduled programming will continue, but stay tuned for some other programming. Programming. Programming. But stay tuned for some other stuff that's also in the pipeline. It's Tech-Tember and Tech-tober. There's a lot of stuff always happening. So get subscribed if you haven't already. Thanks again to Apple for hosting us here. Thanks again to you for watching and subscribing. Back to one mic. You too? Yeah. unfortunately see you guys next week peace gen lock waveform is produced by adam olina and eliz rovin we are a partner with vox media podcast network and our interaction music was created by vain still bingo and the entire team here at apple and the yeah the entire team here at apple hit it out

1:35:07bingo Pulse, pulse, pulse, pulse. Except because of redshift, it takes way too long for the pulse to get through. Too deep, David. Sorry. I don't think I can name all the things.

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