The iPhone 17 Rumor Roundup!

37:06That's another duality of man. Yeah. I usually snooze once every day. I don't I'm a non-snoozer. Also I have another alarm called Lane and it's a lot harder to snooze. Yeah my take is that we shouldn't have a snooze function because the entire point of the alarm is to wake up. and when and when if i wake up and then snooze if i sleep for 10 more minutes i feel more tired than the first time i woke up it's always a trap so just get up when your alarm goes off like you're supposed to that's the entire point of the alarm you sound like me like a month ago when i was arguing about discipline on the phone i yeah remember that yeah i do i don't disagree with you i don't disagree with you i agree because i have no discipline the thing that i do is put the phone on the other side of the room so you have to get up to go turn it off and at that point yeah i'm not saying i do this better because what i do is i wake up and then i fall back asleep right i don't get out of bed okay like i just don't think that we should have the capability i also think humans like naturally uh become more comfortable with whatever is happening in their surroundings so i'm curious if that's ever backfired where the alarm across the room one day just isn't enough to get you out of bed no that's it's really annoying every time Especially because I live with my fiance, obviously, so I have to get up before wakes her up.

38:29So she yells at you. Because she'll get pissed. Oh, okay. It does backfire sometimes, though, when it's like a weekend, and I forgot to set it off, and it goes off at like 5 a.m. Or if you have a Monday one, yesterday was Labor Day. I had things notifying me that were normal workday things. I love waking up at normal time on a holiday. And realizing you get to go back to sleep. I'll say, I love my watch alarm, but if I happen to be sleeping at like the perfect point where my hands are close enough together, like under my pillow on my stomach or something, and the alarm goes off, I think just like second nature hits the button immediately, and then it's an hour past when I'm supposed to wake up.

39:09That's bad news. Wait, while Ellis tells us about his alarms, we also need to check in on his battery life. Well, were you charging it? I just charged my phone. Yeah, that's why. You ruined the bit. It's only 80. It's less than 80. how long were you charging it for i started charging it right before we started taping so at two uh so it's been on the charger for an hour and it was off the charger between 8 30 and it should be full it should be by the way peter mckinnon on threads two nights ago was like just found the iphone mini in my drawer insane that apple made this i kind of want to use it again anybody else they're using this and i wanted to tag ellis but he doesn't have a thread yeah threads yeah 76 okay really uh damn how many alarms do you have okay so i just want to say i don't i don't set any alarms like i use the iphone's wake up wake up time what like like my phone has an alarm it might have the built-in it turns off notifications at 11 15 and an alarm goes off at 730.

40:13Every day. But no other alarm? Only one alarm needed. Wait, what about when you have other stuff going on? They need an alarm for? Yeah. Do you use like the reminders app or anything? Oh, Lord. No wonder your battery doesn't. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Ellis is the same person. I got so tired of having to create an alarm for every random time that I needed stuff. That's so much harder. That I just leave it. I leave an alarm for pretty much every minute of the day until the evening. I know people like this and I'm like, I don't know. When you have to scroll to find the right alarm, I just feel like that's too much.

40:48No, no, no, no, no. When you create an alarm, you got to scroll through that not endless list. It's the same thing. I'm just scrolling once instead of on three different sliders. Was Ellis here for making fun of me for folders on my dock? No. Oh. You're going to make fun of me because of the alarm? I'm not going to because you didn't make fun of me. I'm just saying. No, no, no. No, no, please. I was just going to say one of those things is more insane. and it's still one of those things that's more insane you look at your dock every time you go to your home screen I never set alarms I guess that would kind of beg you I feel like yeah I feel like you set them all the time no no looks like you set them a lot wow soon you guys are going to make fun of me because all the lead in my apartment some of the some of the alarm names are pretty good too I don't know what they're about in retrospect you have a 4am a 4.07am a 4.20am a 4.50am because I don't want to create a new alarm for every So much nuance.

41:40I just five o 'clock, five oh six. I'm dying to know what five o 'clock is. No, I needed to be like a five oh six for some reason. Actually, I didn't remember earlier when I was like, you always set an alarm for a round number. I guess I don't even know. Circadian rhythm, baby. Well, in other iPhone news, I'm going to turn your screen off so it doesn't die. In other iPhone news, we are expecting some new iPhones to come out, which Ellis is going to preorder. yeah we're we're around that time of year it's september it's september so the september apple event has been announced it's next wednesday as you listen to this and we are expecting some things mostly based around the iphone 17s sorry next tuesday good call yeah uh and we're expecting mostly iphone 17 stuff most of it is pretty similar to i mean this could be yet another iterative year for the iphone before uh a maybe more interesting year with a folding iphone but But it depends on what you think of the Air.

42:38It depends on how interesting that is to you. I mean, we did get a design. It seems like we're getting a design change. So a small design change. It's not much, but at the same time, in the Apple ethos, this feels like something. Yeah, in the iPhone world, when I reviewed the Porsche 911, I said the same thing. And then when I reviewed the iPhone a couple of years ago, I compared it to the Porsche 911. It's so important of a product to this company that any tiny little change that they make to this product is monumentally important and will be scrutinized and analyzed and will have massive implications for the rest of the entire company's products.

43:10So they don't tend to change very much about the iPhone. And so when there is a little bit of a design change or a little bit of philosophical change or a lineup change, like a new iPhone, like the Air gets announced, we're gonna make a big deal about it because this is some statement from Apple about the future of the phone or whatever. But yeah, it's just minor incremental updates to the iPhone. Yeah. So yeah, what are we expecting here? Yeah, so I put together sort of a rumor roundup, you might say but not like the spray you know that monsanto got sued for like a lot okay so uh anyway there's the pros okay we're gonna start with the pros iphone 17 and iphone 17 pro yeah okay so we everyone's saying oh it's a huge design change it's crazy you know what they did they took this little this little glass piece and they moved it over here they extended it kind of like a visor And then they took the flash and the microphone and the LiDAR, right?

44:12Yes, still LiDAR. Yeah. And they put it on the right side. So now it is a rectangle. I guess a square is also a rectangle, but it is specifically a rectangle and not a square. And it goes all the way across the device. Okay, I have a question for you. Yes. Remember when the leaks started happening of the iPhone notch and that started coming out and everyone's freaking out and then they announced it with the dynamic island. So everyone's like, yeah, OK. Do you think they're going to have some sort of like thing software wise that they announce with this that will make it seem more? Sorry. I'm trying to find a video we made.

44:51Do you watch videos in class right now, Andrews? I think that my take was that they added that to look more like more glass because they wanted to play off the liquid glass thing. So you think it's like purely an aesthetics thing? Yeah. Yeah, it kind of feels like it. This back of the phone change feels pretty purely aesthetic to me. The only thing I could possibly see them arguing is that a bigger cutout on the back of the phone maybe could have some better cell signal or whatever. Maybe with millimeter wave. I don't think that's actually what they're going to say, but yeah. Yeah, I don't know how they're going to justify it.

45:27I mean, there is a rumor that they're going to now have a 48 megapixel. All three cameras are going to be 48 megapixels this year. So it is the first time that they've all been that resolution. I don't think that you need more glass in order to make it that. Although, you know, this LiDAR camera and this flash do take up space on the inside. so it is possible that parts of the camera module are larger in certain aspects yeah that could be interesting uh the pro is the pro max is supposed to be a little bit thicker this year for a bigger battery so it's possible that they uh actually differentiate the thickness and battery a little bit more this year you know that's a really nice thing to do is make the big phone thicker when you're also planning on introducing a thin version that's what i was thinking so apparently it's only going to be on the max which is interesting to me i thought that they would should make both pro both pro phones thicker and then the the air will feel even thinner than it actually is yeah but if you're apple you've got to like stratify the lineup and give people a reason to climb up so if you climb up from like a regular phone to a pro you get better cameras but if you climb up from a pro to a pro max you also get better battery yeah it'll physically be the latter if you stack the three phones next to each other you can walk yeah exactly exactly uh there's supposed to be a 24 megapixel selfie camera this year because most of the manufacturers are making high resolution selfie cameras and potential move back to aluminum from so we're at titanium now yeah because we've had titanium for two years which we got to from stainless steel which we got to from aluminum bingo okay so we're back we're back but is it a circle or is it like the clock app where we just keep going it's a really long list by the way first answer to that apparently a loop is more complex to code so i'm sure it's coding a straight list they're a trillion dollar company let's not give me a pass on that list is pretty easy to code i would yeah yeah okay uh and then like we said earlier in last month there may be a vapor chamber situation going on yeah um that That could also be a Pro Max only thing.

47:39Or is that crazy? It could be. I got to say with how hot Liquid Glass has been running for me, like this update, it makes the phone get really hot. Yeah, you know what? It's been interesting reading some of the coverage about Liquid Glass and all the beta updates we've been seeing because there have been obviously aesthetic differences that people have been tracking between beta 1, beta 2, beta 3. But there's also been graphical intensity differences and battery life differences that people have also been tracking. And so we see like the obvious ones that make headlines or like are a fun tweet or whatever, where it's like they frosted it, they unfrosted it, they refrosted it, cool.

48:17But the amount that some of these animations hit your battery has also varied dramatically between betas as they try to lock this down and optimize it. And obviously they want to make it as efficient as possible, but it is kind of curious seeing like they've committed to this bit, so now they need to optimize all of the stuff going on. That's what kind of freaks me the hell out as we're about to move to iPhone Air. How bad is the battery life going to be on that if it's been pretty bad on liquid glass on the Pro Max that I'm using? Yeah. I'm on. So are you on the public beta now or still developer beta 8?

48:51I'm still on developer beta 8. Okay. So I'm on public beta on my iPhone and dev beta 8 on my iPad. Okay. My iPad's getting nuked. Yeah. I went from like 70 to 45 watching a YouTube video, which is crazy. but my iphone on the public beta has been much more stable battery wise lately so i'm curious about that too not sure if it means anything but we put alice's phone on public beta what do you think his percentage battery is now by the way oh it's actually the same nice i thought it was just gonna get cruised it just plummet as we sat here yeah well speaking of the iphone air uh the rumors are it's going to be 5.5 millimeters thin chief it is going to have a 6.6 inch display it will have a single 48 megapixel camera on the back standard a19 chip so not the pro chip uh which i assume will have it will not run as hot theoretically uh bloomberg is also reporting that it may have pro motion what yeah and a dynamic island weird but okay yeah great that's promotion not for pros anymore well i'm wondering if they might call it like promotion light or something and just make it uh not one one to 120 like maybe a very variable refresh rate promotion 60 to 120 oh interesting well see this is one of those things that's right on the line for is apple going to want to even address or explain this to the masses like the difference between ltps and ltpo i think for regular people well this is not even arguable for most regular people using these phones the difference between 60 and 120 or 1 to 120 is imperceptible so should they even bother i don't even think that they would say that i think that in the presentation they would say it now does 120 hertz and not mention that it's 60 and 120 instead of 1 to 120 i think that's what they would i just think they i think they wouldn't change the branding i think they would say it's promotion because it goes up to 120 and then we'd have to discover that it's 60 to 120 instead of maybe it is 1 to 120 and they had to do it because the battery life was so bad when it was 60 to 120 that they put it at one.

50:58That's what I was thinking. Because if it's going to have an always-on display, they're going to want it to refresh one time a second. Definitely. Yeah. So, yeah, we'll see. I don't know because I don't think Apple has ever brought a pro monikered feature to the regular models. Right. But it is one of those things where the iPhone has been ridiculed every single year since ProMotion was invented for still having 60 hertz on the regular iPhone. Yeah. for the price they charge so they've kept that true they've kept pro res video they've kept pro motion they've kept pro raw photos they've kept everything with the word pro in it for only the pro phones yeah so that would be the first time they did something different yeah yeah the air is also expected to use the apple c1 modem uh which lacks 5g millimeter wave connectivity cool uh it's supposed to cost around 900 dollars which is you know it's kind of right in between there yeah that's what the plus was right no plus was 800 900 900 I think that was 800 or no 800 for the base 900 for the plus so now it's 900 for the pro that or for the air that makes sense just go to apple.com literally right now shop iphone 16 plus it's 799 899 yeah so yeah so it's just replacing the plus so it seems like they're basically just trying to keep it just as desirable as the Plus was.

52:24I think the Plus was like a horrible selling phone last year. The standard Plus. The Pro Max sold really, really, really well. The Pro sold better than they expected and then the standard sold pretty well. But the Plus like barely sold. Which was a weird thing for them because they only make the Plus because generally the big phones sell better. Replace the Mini. Replace the Mini. Replace the Mini. But it turns out that awkward middle child just like never sells well in the price ladder, I guess. What size are they going to go in two years when the air doesn't work? Mini. Again? It's a circle.

52:56It's a really long list. It's landscape. Landscape. You go straight to trifold from there. That's the only way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. True, true. Yeah, and then so colors on the Pro are supposed to be black, white, dark blue, and orange. I'm so excited for the orange. The orange is insane looking. Orange or like pink? Orange. like definitively orange um no it's orange we started seeing people do the videos on the models and people get their hands on and it seems like it's like very orange yes but if you remember do you remember desert titanium desert uh desert titanium yeah band-aid hey this is the first phone I've ever cracked by the way anyway anyway the early models and leaks of this were brown do you remember that a little bit we did a whole thing are they making a brown iphone oh i made that waveform uh thumbnail and i think i put the throwing up emoji great great ctr i'm just saying that the color renders that we end up getting are often quite off from what they actually end up looking like fair enough so it's it's very possible that it's not orange but it's sand.

54:15To me, I've never seen this car in person as has barely anyone but to me the iPhone orange is like the McLaren Senna orange. Like it's just darker and browner. Is that like McLaren papaya orange or a different one? It's the color of the McLaren Senna. Oh yeah this is like more of a copper. Yeah it's like coppery. Yeah. I don't know. Well the models yeah are very different. Yeah. Anyway then the air is supposed to come in black silver gold and light blue kind of like a baby blue this is the year of baby blues yeah because we got that laptop a lot of light blue phones okay and then uh regular iphone new colors pro motion not that different if they wanted that to sell uh better it probably won't which is funny well you said promotion and regular iphone yeah they so they said well the rumor right now is the pro iphone the all of the iphones are supposed to have promotion and uh okay yeah bring it on that's the rumor it's about damn time do you think all the iphones will also have the visor no only the pros only pros on the air has like its own well yeah yeah so like the regular iphone will still have the current camera bump situation that's what the rumors and the models that i've got out so far uh apple watch ultra 3 is supposed to have a larger display.

55:35Even larger? Even larger. It will not have support for satellite texting because the Pixel, you know, the Pixel Watch has that now, the satellite SOS messaging. Potentially a high blood pressure indicator. So I can know when I'm so angry at all of you. We can't record because it's just beeping the whole time on his wrist. The Ultra, sorry, the Apple Watch 11 will also have the satellite texting and blood pressure indicator according to rumors and the se they're going to announce a new one theoretically rumor mill apparently the way you're saying it sounds like you know everything i know it sounds like you're trying not to pretend that you don't know everyone everyone always thinks that we have apple stuff weeks ahead of time we literally find out when you do i promise apple is the company that doesn't pre-brief anyone and yeah i posted a picture on twitter today that it was from an iphone 16 pro and a whole bunch of comments were like this is from a 17 isn't it no i just want to say apple actually does us one dirtier than not telling us anything where they'll they'll like text you marquez and be like like a pr personal text and be like in three weeks we'll have something and we you down you're gonna like it and then you'll be like can you tell me anything and they'd be like you should buy a plane ticket and you're like yeah yeah and they're like and then they're like yeah it's the screening of f1 and they won't even tell you like six hours before they'll be like so that thing that we've been hyping you up for immersive video we have new leather cases this is so accurate like yeah seven times out of ten i feel like i have a pretty good handle of what they're going to tell me and three times out of ten i'll show up and i'm like oh i'm just gonna leave this is not what i need to be doing right now yeah uh anyway the appalach se it seems like apparently I don't know this for sure but they're going to change from aluminum to plastic and they're going to market it to kids instead of you know being because the SE has always just been like the affordable edition yes but now it seems like okay there's not enough difference anymore between because the SE the last SE was the in the Apple Watch 6 chassis which just happened to have smaller bezels basically and that was kind of the main thing and it was missing like a few features but now the SE might move to plastic and be marketed towards kids.

58:01Plastic to me? I mean, to me, a plastic one. More like SC, am I right? I don't care what that means. The iPhone 5C. Oh, yes. The last plastic one. Last plastic one, yep. But a really cheap Apple Watch with cellular to give to a kid instead of giving them a phone but still being able to like contact emergency services honestly feels like a great thing because you can't distract yourself as much on that no no i bet i like i can already say like i got my phone in seventh grade because i started playing sports at different schools and like have an emergency thing lots of parents i think are buying their phones kids that can do so much more now because of a situation like that but if you can't fiddle around on a watch as much as you can on a phone yeah i heard two really interesting stories recently one i forgot who's telling me that uh their high school or whatever the school that they came from banned smartphones like banned phones so the kids can't have phones they put them in a locker before they go to school those little like lots of bags that they unlock at the end so not allowed to have a phone obviously the kids all have burners but it is what it is and then the other one is like i i'm thinking this kind of makes more sense the more i think about it obviously plastic is like a bummer of a headline yeah but there is this whole huge market of these cheaper location, texting, et cetera, type of watches that people are willing to get their kids before they get them a smartphone.

59:23And I think Apple can compete there if the price is also lower. It would have to be like$99. Yeah, if you switch to plastic and you're gonna aim for this market, obviously, okay, it's Apple. They're gonna be the premium one in that market, but it can't be$250. It has to be cheaper than that. So I kind of wonder if that's what they're gonna do. They're just gonna go, all right, the SE is just all the way down here. It's the entry level. your four-year-old is gonna finally love iMessage and they're gonna get their first phone and guess what it's gonna be an iPhone yeah and then you're in so I could see them actually going for that and you know what they'll say 99 you don't want to make sure your kid's safe for just another are they gonna have like a sob that's the funniest oh wow I do think you had a million dollar idea though which is a plastic app cellular apple watch that has it's pretty much a phone and Apple Music.

1:00:12There was those old phones that were like four buttons on it and it was just four numbers you could call at an emergency service. I feel like a child slash teenager could get all their socializing done with something like that and also avoid endless scrolling on Instagram. Yeah, brain rot, evil group chats. Yeah, I mean there are people out here trying to make their watch their primary device. That's true. I mean I'm only buying an Apple Watch SE and an Apple Vision Pro. That's a little shit. That's all she needs. That thing is heavier. The Apple Vision Pro is heavier than her body. She's like...

1:00:48Really work on the neck muscles with that. Weirdly, the only place I've ever in the wild seen an Apple Vision Pro is on a plane or in the airport. That's the only place I've ever actually seen it. I've seen like two on a plane, yeah. Have you ever seen one not related to an airplane? Like in a cafe or something? I've never seen that. Huh. Okay. Interesting. We got some new stuff. AirPods Pro could be getting an update. could be adding heart rate monitoring which they already have in the power beats pro 2 wasn't it couldn't you not listen to music at the same time when you were doing the heart rate because music would make your heart rate go up bro you'll you'll have such a good time i think that was true at right i don't know if they patched that with a software does it have to there was something weird there was a headline i didn't yeah see that yeah well there may be a new h3 chip not sure what that would do but it would do something redesigned smaller charging case with no pairing button so i'm assuming they're going to have some sort of i don't know different way to pair it like nfc or something which would make it really hard to pair to an android phone it might make it hard i mean it might just trigger bluetooth pairing maybe because like well what would the nfc chip oh like if you like uh there's a lot of nfc chips now where you like uh even the old sony wh1000 whatever's used to have like an nfc chip and it would bluetooth pair to your android phones i mean even my like nothing has quick pair i just open them and my yeah that's fast pair yeah but that's like a that's like a dedicated qualcomm thing that they have yeah apple has their own version of that in the h chip so yeah i guess with my power my beats pro i have to hold the button down to connect them yeah so we'll see i remember it was like a year ago that we saw all of those mock-up airpods cases that had like the screen on them but i haven't heard any news of anything related to that recently so whether or not they scrapped it or if that's just coming later i'm not sure um and then one thing that i didn't write down because i know you're not going to care uh apparently apple vision pro may may get the uh the five the m5 chip i'm just kidding yeah so yeah uh i don't know why they're still making them they probably have a lot of stock that they could just sell instead of putting a new chip in it yeah but that's sort of the rumors i think it'll be interesting to see what new features come out on the phone i want i want to know about the new like video features that the iphone gets and the new photography and video features because that's always like really fun like they did the studio quality mics uh they you know if you want to call them studio quality they've done the you know they did prores at first and then it was ProRes Raw and then it was then you got ProRes Log and all this stuff like every year they kind of like up the video game more and more and more and more so I'm just very curious what they bring to it this year I think that would be pretty cool Same, I do plan on shooting whatever autofocus video comes out after the event or whenever the iPhone reviews come out with the iPhone just so we can see how much better it's got so subscribe is a nice plug to the autofocus channel and of course Waveform you must already be subscribed to Waveform though obviously I don't know a lot of people plugging the other channels before you plug ours yeah that's my bad well now you're subscribed everywhere so it's all good yeah so after this week you will know and so will we and we will be recording at Apple Park looking forward to that because it'll be cool wait wait do it again more exciting though and we'll be recording at Apple Park that's what it's gonna sound like get from Google it's gonna be reverby as hell sick cool okay Wait, sorry, Marques, what is it going to be?

1:04:22Reverby. A-F. Nice. Trying to throw it at autofocus again. Adam, can you hit the button? Trivia time. Vibe shift. Trivia. All right. October 4th, 2016. Do you guys know what happened that day? Yeah. What happened? Not the trivia question. Pixel 1. Correct. The original Pixel, announced October 4th, 2016, had a DxO mark. That was the best Score on camera I remember the DXO score Is that the question? What was the DXO score? What is wrong with you? You remember the exact Day and DXO score Of this phone and you don't know The iPhone's default ringtones We have different priorities Do you guys want a bonus question?

1:05:12Was that the question? What was the DXO score? of the Pixel first one. Pixel 1. Did Marquez get it right? I don't know. He wrote it down. I wrote it down, but I didn't share it. Okay. There was another phone that year that got the same score later that year. Do you remember what that phone was? Huawei P20 Pro. That's actually what I was going to say. P20 Pro. Sorry. That wasn't it. So you still have hope. P10 Pro? No, it's this one right here. P30 Pro? Shut up. Oh, it was P30? I'm pretty sure it was. It was the, like, bluish one, right? Yeah, I was getting no more hints. That was bronze colored.

1:05:57I think it was, like, the blue and purple one. That's what I'm thinking of. Yeah, the P30 Pro was, like, the purple and blue. What was the bronze? P40 Pro? Yeah, it was, yeah. No, this is P20 Pro. P20 Pro. So we were wrong. That was such a beautiful phone. But that's not it. Remember when we had colors like that? Okay. Remember when we had colors like that? Yeah, colorful phones. We don't have two colors on one phone. Even if it's orange now, it's not this. Have you not seen Andrew's lemongrass piss Gatorade phone? Ellis. Ellis, look at this beautiful... Yo, is that orange? This is a great time to take a break before this descends into madness.

1:06:31We'll be right back. All right. All right. Thank you.

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1:08:48And I sent this in Slack and I think every single one of us made the same joke, which was the what? the Xperia 1 7 came out and then everyone continued to make the joke maybe that's what the debacle was that we didn't know it came out that we didn't know it came out Sony has never been great at marketing. Marques made an entire video called Why People Don't Buy Sony Smartphones the TLDR is usually they like announce a phone they send it to reviewers, have an embargo and then no one sees that phone or at least the US doesn't see the phone for like six months. The embargo is in February and it gets launched at B &H exclusively in September.

1:09:29It's like they're trying to not sell the phone. So we have that video if you want to see it, but that's actually not what happened here. Apparently, after being announced in May and then released in June, they had multiple reports of the phone just straight up rebooting, shutting down, and then not turning back on. That's a debacle. That's what I like to pay$1 ,700 for. Apparently, it was a bad circuit board and they completely paused the sales of the phone globally. They have fixed it. They started a replacement program. Phones are now starting to launch at the end of August or now it's September.

1:10:03And you can get the Sony Xperia 1.7, which this is a brutal way of learning that there is a Sony Xperia 1.7. How much does it cost? I'm not totally sure. 1 ,400 euro. It seems like pretty standard Sony phone, like great display. Yes. It's up there with everything, good cameras. 5 ,000 milliamp hour battery. Headphone jack. Headphone jack, most important. Yeah. Yeah. $1 ,630 US dollars. $1 ,600. Yeah, that's also pretty par for the course for a Sony phone. Pretty damn expensive for really great specs. Variable zoom. It's there, but too bad if you can't turn it on. That would be tough. That would be tough.

1:10:45Sony did say they are going to work on improving their quality control in the future. Wish they had that in the beginning. that's a great thing to work on I have one other quick story that I think a few people in this room not that they know anything about it but are going to be pretty sad about YouTube is now flagging accounts on premium family plans that aren't in the same household don't do that are you guys all on a family plan no how many of you guys are on a family plan are you all on this family plan no No, I'm pretty sure they've talked about on the podcast. I could not join Adam's family because I'm already part of David's family And they're like why you got two families?

1:11:25Hey, you're outing us right now, bro You get out us live on the podcast. I'm beeping all of them. I checked my email I have not gotten that we caught your ass email yet, so we're still good. Yeah, but you're publicly telling everybody now I'm privately telling you five four and there just happens to be some 4k cameras and microphones in front of me we can cut it they're not gonna come and get us yeah they won't come and get us well they're coming to get everyone that's the whole point of me posting this year there were posts in like 2019 that said spotify is gonna shut you down if you don't live together i'm still on a spotify family plan with my college roommates okay why are you outing yourself right two dollars soon as this gets published you're gonna get an email no well so like we all saw we all had the netflix thing where eventually netflix used to brag about being able to share accounts that's true then they decided to hold on a minute and they saw a very large rise in subscribers after they actually yeah it actually did work we're not even sharing an account i know they're just tearing families apart so they're gonna tear our family apart yeah if you don't know you can have up to five people in a premium family plan which is 23 a month so some people again don't know any might split up that 23 a month and be in a family plan despite being under the same rooftop house saying they would lie about being family it does say well that's the thing about that yeah exactly you know it's funny i don't have any cousins but i got a whole lot of families i got i got my spotify family i got my youtube family i got my apple family david to save eight dollars a month will you marry me tax reasons not even tax reasons just so we can keep our youtube family plan together yeah We have to live together though.

1:13:11That's the problem, right? Yeah, it still doesn't matter you'd have to live I don't want to live with you, but I'd marry you You know you have to be in the same household to be in the same house That's crazy even wackier definition of family. Yeah, that's the thing is I think it's past the family section of this because That just means a roommate is more of a family than my mom is to me right Yeah, we can just go to go to Olive Garden cuz when you're there your family. That's true. That's the loophole If everyone goes to Olive Garden, they can't take away our YouTube premiums. That's right. So I'm seeing if you do get caught, you get an email that says your YouTube premium family membership will be paused.

1:13:47It appears you may not be in the same household as your family manager and your membership will be paused in 14 days. Once your access is paused, you'll remain in the family group and you can watch YouTube with ads, but you will no longer have YouTube premium benefits. Do you think they know that from like Wi-Fi networks? Just IP and Wi-Fi. David do you use a VPN? No. Do you? No but I think you would be the one because you're the household you're the head of house. Why are we saying this on a popular YouTube show? This is a bad idea. But yeah you know obviously that like it said in the rules you're not supposed to do this this still feels Why'd you look at me when you said that?

1:14:30I didn't. I looked at the camera. It still feels weird and I feel like a lot of people aren't going to get kicked off of this plan and then go, oh yeah, I'll pay$14 a month because they only wanted to do it because it was cheaper. I'm someone who pays$14 a month. I personally think it's worth how often I use it. So you're saying you hate your family. Yes. But on the other side, calling it a family plan just feels stupid because obviously a lot of people have actual families. It's called a group plan or something. Well, household plan. exact same address plan it's that part's weird and i don't know also the more i was like reading this i was remembering all the features you get like offline downloads and picture picture and like screen off those should just be features on youtube it's really stupid to lock those behind i think just no ad saves me enough time i know but yeah i don't know yeah i love youtube premium but I just don't think that many people are going to convert.

1:15:33They're just going to get kicked off. And I think it works for Netflix. So that is the other thing. A lot of people that use YouTube and like turn off the screen, put it in their pocket. Yeah. So was this let everybody take advantage of it for a long time and then realize they can't live without those features and ads anymore? Way to do it. It's the classic way to do it. The polar cord. Amazon today announced basically the same thing as well. They just ended shared Prime free shipping outside your home. Oh. So, yeah. I think that was slightly different, though, because I think that was like a specific feature, right?

1:16:09Like if I had Prime, I would like let you use it. It's not like you were logging in and pretending to be me. It was like I could share the Prime shipping feature. Yeah, but you're not logging. Ellis is not logging in and pretending to be me. He has a separate YouTube account in our family plan. Yeah, no, I mean, that's what I mean. Like, I think it is slightly different. I love watching YouTube I don't think I could watch YouTube without premium and I don't know if I love YouTube enough to pay$14 a month for it I think you do I'll be real I pay for Netflix and Disney Plus and those things and I get the most bang for my buck out of the YouTube but that's just my personal viewing I watch a lot of YouTube we talk about the companies artificially pushing their pro and non-pro products further and further apart, I think YouTube and YouTube Premium might have the biggest delta in experience between each other.

1:17:02Like YouTube is almost unusable without premium slash no ads. And some of the ads that I see on FreeTube is like Twitter level bad. Yeah. Like, oh my God. Yeah, like pills. Like a six hour supplement infomercial. Yeah. I see ads on YouTube all the time for like amulets that increase your something. Power balance pavilion. Oh my god. I just think offline download should be a regular feature. I think that's crazy and I think there's plenty of people who take a flight once a year that would like to download some YouTube videos that should be paid for it. That's how they get you. Well, for legal reasons, I have no family.

1:17:50No, for legal reasons, you have a family. For legal reasons, we should be cutting this entire section. For legal reasons, David and I are roommates in his one-bedroom apartment. That's right. But we're not married yet. But we're not married yet. But Google doesn't care about that. It doesn't care about that. They just care that we sleep in the same bed. Yeah, so why is it even called the family plan? It should be called the roommate plan. Yeah. Oh, my God. Checkmate, Google. All right. Yeah, I do think, though, you guys are kind of underestimating how crappy the experience is without premium. Because, like, for example, YouTube videos are getting longer.

1:18:22aka this podcast which is probably at like almost two hours now um if i forget to uncheck the ad automatic ads on the youtube video the first like dozen comments will just be like this is unwatchable because like every two minutes there will be an ad it's like ridiculous yeah it's even if you just check mid rolls to be enabled because sometimes you do that to do it in the ad slots when we don't have like a regular vox ad and then i'll just like automatically add them and i'll look and the whole first page is within the first like five minutes of the video which means that's how there were like seven super front loaded it's crazy yeah it's really annoying we should go on strike or we should go on trivia yeah that's better yeah we're going on strike by not posting youtube videos then we all lose all right guys we were just on the same page about something for about 10 minutes and now we're about to get into a giant argument about what is is an orange, so everyone chug your Red Bulls and get ready to get fired up.

1:19:23Because there have been three orange pixels in the history of the pixel. Please write down all three names Google gave to the color orange.

1:19:37You have to spell them correctly. That's definitely spelled wrong. What could you have possibly spelled wrong? That means that answer's not correct. Do you think one of them is like Orangutan Orangutan would be a great Yeah Are those orange? I don't think so Orangutans? No Wait I got one yeah Orangutans? I wouldn't know how to spell it They're like burgundy It's definitely not orange Flip them and read They're kind of orange Alright who wants to go first? David why don't you go first okay i put almost orange okay i put sand i put orange i also put orange thought there might be a curveball in there yeah i put clementine probably spelled wrong i actually put coral a coral okay i knew that was the pixel seven yeah that's pink i actually thought it was the four do i gotta get the phone should i be showing should i get the phone out of the closet oh i remember the coral one never mind no it was the six that's the 6 right?

1:20:477. He said 7. 7? Yeah that one is actually 7A specifically the 7A. That one was poorly named but it is very orange. The phone itself is very orange. Thank you. They used to have orange just the button would be orange. Like the Pixel 2 had an orange accent button. Remember that? That was the Panda. The Panda had an orange button. Yeah that was awesome. I feel like that's more of a coral color. That's why it's called coral. Yeah. But yeah anyway. Okay I put I put not pink.

1:21:14Okay I put very orange. and I put barely orange all three of those are very close Marques that's very on their vibe almost orange is not close the pixel 7a was coral the pixel 6 came in a color called kinda coral and the pixel 4 came in a color called oh so orange it was literally oh so orange that is what it was called and I think that's really funny because if you put a question mark and a comma in that thing it goes oh so orange which is what i said wow i had that phone and i didn't know that's what it was called it was so good it was one of the best colors yeah actually if you look back because it had black rail matte black rails yeah that phone and the texture it was a squeeze phone and it had solely which destroyed the battery that was it didn't work that part if you watch the android authority youtube video from that review it is me Ian Adam in Central Park in 2018 or whatever.

1:22:19Was that the same video we got kicked out of the Museum of Natural History? Yeah. But there's a cool segment from the Museum of Natural History. We got the shot, baby. We got the shot. Sounds like story time. Next time. Gotta watch it. On a future episode of Waveform. All right. Quick update on the score. You look a lot different. Marquez with two. David with two. No, that's... Andrew with five. Whoa. All right. my question was the original pixel was announced by DxOMark as having the best camera score for a smartphone. What was that score? Bonus point, what was the other phone that year that also scored the same score?

1:22:57Didn't we say that out loud already? You were wrong.

1:23:02Idiot. The phone you guys mentioned came out in 2019. Oh. shoot okay what do you got let's go david first what would you say put 97 nope it's a too high and what phone p30 pro huawei nope okay we all put p30 pro all right well you all got that wrong i put 89 no oh i also put 89 oh you both put it was it 1987 It was 97? It was 90. Oh. And the other phone was the HTC U11. Also got a 90 that year. Yeah. That's weird. Yep. That's really weird. That wasn't a good camera. That was before the Pixel came out, though, wasn't it? Came out slightly after, I think. Sony. Got a higher score. Wow. I did not think that was.

1:23:53Okay. Wow. Shout out to DXOMark. Yeah, damn it. The Pixel 4 was so close to being perfect at 100. Yeah. Yeah. Almost. Almost did it. sometimes you gotta get a 90 and brag about it when marquez was so sure and i saw i had the same answer as him i was like let's go we're having a good day i think don't worry you still have way more points than i forgot i was googling one of the phones you guys mentioned and it came out in 2019 and this was from 2016 2017 something like that oh wow okay we were way off well either way stay tuned this episode is coming out right before or right at the beginning of tech timber so you already know we're about to dive directly in to you know all the stuff that happens at this time of year every year so get subscribed if you haven't already get subscribed to all the other channels that i've shouted out during this episode the mkbhd channel the autofocus channel the studio channel there's stuff just gonna be everywhere for all these uh these last few weeks of the year so thanks for watching thanks for listening catch you guys very soon pace i'm boarding in 58 minutes Oh my god.

1:24:56Hold on already. Way from a streets by Adam, Malina, Elzor, and part of the Fox Mailbox Network is your idea of the music of the video of the Zane. That's not that fast. We got time. We got time. I was going for my auctioneer.

1:25:21I will say we had Gatorade this weekend at our tournament. and it was red and blue, but they were strawberry and like blueberry or something. Like not what you'd expect from red and blue Gatorade. What about Cool Ranch? It's usually like fruit punch. That's red and blue, but not like red and blue. Yeah, it was weird. It looked like the regular red and blue, and then you drink them and you'd be like, I thought the blue was supposed to be Cool Ranch, not Blue Ranch. I love that, David. That's the best thing you've ever said. Cool Ranch. Cool Ranch.