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33:30Did I miss something? Or did it say that that will be in real time? It will be in real time. Well, I don't think it'll be in real time. I think it'll still be, it'll just update without you refreshing the page. I think that's basically what's happening. They used the word real time though, right? I think it's like the Twitter real time like counter that like goes up every few seconds. It ticks up by like 12. It'll be like that. Maybe. It won't actually be in real time. Don't use real time. It won't actually be in real time. It's not real time. It's every few seconds. Yeah. So it'll be rounded and it'll be verified views, but it will count upward without you refreshing the page.

34:07That's pretty wild. So you could be watching a video that has 200 ,000 views, and by the time you finish the video, it has 202 ,000 views. Yeah. And it will say that on the page as you're watching. I think that's kind of cool. I think they're trying to do, like, there's this whole thing that happens on Reddit where, like, you're scrolling Reddit, and if something has a lot of upvotes, it makes you feel like you should upvote it, too. It's like crowd mentality. Yeah. And I think they're trying to get people to watch videos that they see the view counts going up and they feel like they want to be part of the experience of everyone watching at the same time.

34:36Like a slot machine. It's the whole reason people watch live content. Like you could watch streamed, like a played back content. But when something's live, people feel more incentivized to watch it. It's happening in real time. And there's not anything necessarily better about it. I get you want to see it happen in real time. Real, real time. Not YouTube bulls**t real time. But I don't know. That's like with every like weird little phenomenon. Like when we had the eclipse, it's like I could have just watched that on TV later. but like i was dying to see that 30 seconds yeah yeah real real time and if you see it yeah if you see that thing pinging up it's also part of it this is this is also reminding me of another feature that you guys may or may not remember on youtube oh if you if you have trivia questions were about old youtube features i would crush there's another old feature back in the day and this is probably in like 2012 or 13 or something like that is that back in the day yeah yeah in tech years yeah it's a tech years yeah in real time years of the decade a while ago there was a feature where if you were signed in it would show underneath the video the usernames of everyone else watching the same video at the same time as you oh my god yeah old i do not remember that oh yeah in real time that's wild so on like popular videos there would just be a gigantic scrollable list of all the usernames of everyone watching at the same time and i think it would even count it would say hey 600 people are watching with you but if it was just like a random obscure video sometimes you'd be watching and another username would pop up and there's just two of you watching the video and it's their username you could click on it and look at their profile and see where they're from and what their name is yeah you could dm them this was back when youtube had a messages and you could dm people youtube misconnections yeah dude on craigslist we were both watching the mr beast video at 7 34 p.m last night man you know what i did the other day i went on uh in my youtube analytics and they showed the box of subscribers and you could sort by reverse chronological and so i went back and found the first ever subscriber to the mkbhd channel and they haven't logged in in 10 years but i went to their channel and i tried to find who they are and it was really hard it was a fellow golfer oh and it was someone who without revealing too much was a fellow junior golfer around the same age as me when i uploaded my swing we subscribed to each other and like he also has an old golf swing video on his channel wow from a decade ago interesting challenge accepted this sounds like a long form episode oh god no what would this dude's 30 years old now it's just some 30 year old dude now what would be funny is if that guy only remembers the golf swing video and has no idea that you've turned into like a tech that's probably true that would be hilarious it would be really fun to find this person interview them be like do you still play golf because he might not even play golf he's a tech youtuber as well there are youtube videos of his golf swing online the same exact way there were of mine you have to show us this after we're not doxing anybody yeah well i wasn't able to find much more than what i told you but yeah but you have a whole team that can help you that's true that is true all i'm saying is youtube ads features and they are there are like pillars of internet culture for me anyway i i kind of view time through youtube changes is that weird i don't know i spend a lot of time on youtube so probably kind of weird honestly that's a little weird yeah sorry i just gave up too much can't wait till it's like your kid's 10th birthday and you're like oh yeah you were born right around the time when the subscribe button glittered anytime you said it i do view time in terms of like when a certain phone launched though i just the way you guys are talking about nostalgia about game consoles earlier is the way i talk about the different colors the subscribe button was over the years like that's see the face you're making that's when i when you say the n64 is gonna have a new version with this emulator i'm like remember when the subscribe button was yellow and everyone said point at the yellow button and then it was gray the next year the yellow button yeah dang good times anyway anyway uh new youtube features coming to a coming to a youtube near you um i think i feel like we should take a quick break we got a bunch of meta stuff to talk about and also the one plus open i'm holding it right now what's the meta stuff we're gonna talk about like it's oh we're talking about talking about so it's meta stuff from meta who meta meta stuff you'll see what i mean we'll get there but before we get there let's do trivia

39:06all right i had an n64 question but marquez i was inspired by your call to action really and now i have oh no a defunct youtube features so we have both three questions no this is why not three questions let's do it two points so now there's four points on the board four points on the board. All right. Beep it boop. Can I see the score real quick? No. One, two, carry the one. No, Andrew. Andrew, you have the potential to make some serious damage this week. Potential's mind building. This is giving Chris Paul hits a huge three to cut the lead to 46. Who's Chris Paul? He was Wayne Gretzky's line mate.

39:51Oh, God. A line mate? Do they have that in hockey? What is that? I think that's a reasonable question. I think that's a reasonable question. We should leave it. Just leave it. Anyway. In 2009. Nobody answered my questions around here. In 2009, YouTube introduced an experimental, lightweight version of their site. Sure did. What was it called? I was hoping you would ask. I was hoping you would ask. An experimental, lightweight version? Of YouTube. The app. The site. The service. Think about it. And for my second question. Okay. Yeah, sorry. We're not used to it. Rhythmically, this is so strange.

40:31We think of the big innovation on the N64 to be 64-bit 3D graphics. But in 1997, the N64 introduced what now essential smartphone feature to its controllers? Oh, I know that. Because I'm a god. I think I know. Andrew knows it too. Because he's also a god. Marquez is a god too, but not in the same way.

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41:48Visit Mercury.com to learn more. Mercury is a financial technology company, not a bank. Banking services provided through Choice Financial Group, Column N.A., and Evolve Bank and Trust members FDIC. Welcome back to the Waveform Podcast. We got some hardware to talk about. This is, it's that time of year. It just doesn't, it doesn't stop. It's October. We got some new hardware. We've got the OnePlus Open. Not my favorite name. Terrible. But it's a folding phone. And it's OnePlus's first folding phone. Debatable. if you can call it that because oppo their sister company has about four folding phones so but but it's the it's the first one plus folding phone and i did the review of it it's out already i think it's a really good folding phone and we'll get to also meta smart glasses as well and maybe the quest 3 a little bit but calling it one plus open infers that all of their other one plus devices were like really hard to fix or that they're closed well they are right well are they I would argue they're open and I would argue this is closed why are they open?

42:52because you can see the screen and it's there he's right it's open for business that's what it is am I right or is David right? no no you're right that is closed this is closed OnePlus closed wait open it up OnePlus open I think it's not a terrible name wait is your screen broken already yep no way yeah way baby yeah huawei so let's just give you the high level overview so it's it's oneplus's first folding phone it is a relatively normal size outside screen it's a 6.3 inch 1080p ish ltpo outside screen with a but ltpo 2 ltpo on the outside 2 on the outside under 10 hertz yeah 2800 nits max brightness it's the new brightest screen i've ever seen in a phone and it's awesome i love these bright screens we're getting that took like two weeks yeah right that was yeah because the pixel in my pocket was the previous champ for brightest screen i've ever seen a phone but i love that find x6 pro is 100 and it's brighter than pixel sorry fair okay fact check top three good fact top three but uh it's got the alert slider it's got this huge camera bump on the back they've been doing all these like reveal the like teaser videos and giving people exclusives of like looking at the phone and they all have to like blur the camera bump as if that's the design of the phone we've seen the phone before but i've been using it for like three weeks now we've seen it the inside screen 7.8 inch uh squarish aspect ratio almost no crease at all i mean you can see it here looking head on almost no yeah really really good inside screen 120 hertz ltpo 3.0 also 2800 nits little corner cut out for the selfie camera um really really good looking screen if you ignore the dead pixels speaking of the hinge and not really being able to see the crease um our friend michael fisher friend of the show mr mobile did a very good video where he went to oppo's headquarters in china and did a whole breakdown of the hinge um they reduced the parts down to 69 parts from like 100 and nice something yep and um yeah you should watch that video it's a very good video just saying looking at this phone happy birthday marquez's dad yeah wow it's my dad's birthday i hope i messed something up nice happy birthday mr brownlee sorry interrupted that one but just like calendar big things dad's birthday right yeah that's today as we record this but uh it's one thousand seven hundred dollars yeah it is their most expensive phone ever honestly my initial take is like okay wow this is a really good first gen foldable first if you can call it that because this is basically the same as the oppo find n3 which is oppo's fourth foldable i don't know they've done flips they've done folds yeah um but it kind of fits right in between the samsung candy bar shape and the pixel fold passport shape yeah it's like right in between those yeah and i really like it i like the flat sides like the the alert slider like the flat or uh the power button being the fingerprint reader yeah a lot of good things about this phone yeah that being said as you noticed andrew um yeah there is a little tiny bug size dot on the bottom of my screen that appeared a couple days ago it hasn't grown yet but it probably eventually will considering it wasn't there that's basically that's more than just like a dead pixel that's like multiple pixels it looks like there's a small fly i thought i tried to take like swipe it away because i thought it was like a piece of food that's what i first did when it first showed up that's really bad it's right around the hinge uh and you know i reviewed this phone i talk about what's good and what's bad about it the cameras are solid it's got this huge huge yeah uh camera circle on the back um is it reminiscent of a black hole, lumpuous like a black hole or whatever they call that.

46:53Yeah, I guess. Is that what they say? No, they said it was like irresistible, just like a black hole, which I found very funny. That is pretty funny. It's a Hasselblad camera. It's got a 3X telephoto. It's got an ultra wide. It is a decent set of cameras, I would say. Nothing like remarkable or game changing, but I generally find I really liked using the phone and my conclusion was like, all right, this is a really good phone, but if I just end it there, that doesn't mean people should buy the phone. It turns out a phone can be really good and still not something that most people should buy because, number one, price,$1 ,700 for a phone.

47:33Number two, durability, questionable. You know, not everyone's going to break every folding phone they own, but it's still, no matter how many millions of tests you do with the hinge, and we saw everything they tried to do with Mr. Mobile's video, you still have moving parts. Like, there's still some risk there. And then number three, I found it surprisingly hard to convince regular people that a folding phone is something they should even care about. Power users, we love folding phones. I see a lot of flips out in the wild, but I've only seen like three folds ever. I've seen a single digit number of folding phones in my life out in the wild.

48:07Yeah. Yeah. Interestingly, if you buy this phone on OnePlus.com, you can send in literally any phone in any condition and they will give you a$200 credit towards it. Fisher asked in the briefing, if I set my Nexus 4 on fire and send it to you in a box, will you still give me the$200 credit? And they said yes. They actually said yes. Yes. So we were like speculating on this. We were like, did they actually only need to charge like$1 ,500 for this phone, but they were trying to make it look more premium? Because in my opinion, getting folding phones just as cheap as possible, like lowering the price as much as possible of folding phones is more important to sell more folding phones than making it seem premium.

48:57Yeah. It's kind of a psychology thing. When you see a price tag of$1 ,700, you kind of just assume a bunch of things about it. But that's also in the price category where I'm like, I would never pay that much for a phone ever. Right. I would also like, I see what you're talking about. I do think getting it lower is super important, but I think someone who would pay$1 ,500 would also pay$1 ,700. so like i wonder if that's making a huge difference between that price range or if you could get it down to man even 1200 is insane for a phone but there are plenty of non-folding phones out there that are 1200 and they're not even top of the lot like best spec all the time so that's the thing i wonder if 15 to 17 is like if you've just gotten ready to do that maybe they just want to harvest the lithium out of the phones that you send in the old ones well if it's on fire i don't know Well, they're not requesting that you set it on fire.

49:51Yeah. But they would still take it. It's a couple of good points you guys bring up. Number one is this one has to live in a lineup. So it has to have a price that's alongside all the rest of the phones that this company makes. So in a sense, the lowest you can charge is whatever your most expensive phone is. So if you have if you're one plus and you have a$900 phone, like you obviously can't go below 900. Why does that have to be true, though? Well, that brings me to the other point, which is if I combine all the parts of this phone, it does feel like it's at least a 900 phone yeah the snapdragon 8 gen 2 the 16 gigs of ram the half a terabyte of ufs 4.0 storage this is at least a thousand the really really good 6.3 inch outside ltpo screen at 2800 nits like the performance the battery the 67 watt fast charging all this stuff by the way no wireless charging it doesn't have wireless charging such a one plus thing yeah but like if i just put together all that stuff and this 7.8 inch inside screen premium leatherback i'm kidding sarcasm it's awful horrible fake leather it feels like it's at least a 900 phone i'll agree with that i mean okay and the engineering has to go into the r d and the hinge and all that remember when people used to compare phones strictly based on specs and they'd be like oh but it doesn't have as high of a spec of this as this one this phone does have all the highest specs 16 gigs of ram 2800 nit display yeah like that's at least a thousand dollar phone yeah you know so i guess when you first said that i was like why does a folding phone have to because like there are pros and cons of a folding phone versus a normal phone so like we were getting to that point where folding phones were similar prices to just flagships that would be a great thing because then you're just making the choice on do i want folding or do i not want folding and not having to be like oh i want folding but i don't want to spend 500 more dollars yeah so my theory was folding phones are going to be finally allowed to hit mainstream when they are literally just a regular phone that happens to fold which means they have to also be as thin as a regular phone when they're folded up they have to be the same price as a regular phone there's a lot that goes into getting them down so that's happening with the flips because the flips had samsung finally hit a thousand dollars with the flip with flagship specs i mean around flagship specs And now the Razer 40, the non-Ultra, is a$600 phone.

52:15It just launched for$600. And it's a flip. So, like, that's like mid-range phone pricing territory, you know? And it's a flipping phone. And also, like, there's like a Techno Phantom flip or something that's also around$600. But, yeah. So it seems like the flips are getting down that range much more. These haven't gone down at all. The first Galaxy Fold launched at$1 ,800. They're all still$1 ,800. Exactly. Isn't that weird? That is wild. The first one was like, we get it. This is a total test. Let's see what happens. And it broke. And yeah, now we're on the fifth one, right? And it's still, how is that not going down?

52:50I agree. I remember reviewing the first one. I was like, guys, I know it's a thick phone. I know it's got crazy bezels, but it folds in half. Like, can we appreciate that this thing folds in half? All the engineering and risk that it went into making this crazy thing. And then Gen 2, we were like, all right, it's a little more refined now. Nice. yeah cool good i can see the improvements the direction is positive and then gen 3 you were like all right thin glass all right it's even more refined and then gen 4 was like i think it i think it's different and then gen 5 it's like i literally hold it up to the next to the old one i'm like i think they're like a flash we made it slightly flatter like the this the hinge is a little bit thinner and like they're really refining little by little on that and the price is just rock solid yeah it's like the four and the five of the samsung series are almost exactly the same the three they did do a bunch because the three was the like under display uh selfie camera and like which that felt like where they added all the way at all still garbage yeah so yeah it is what it is it seems like the folds are all kind of hovering the pixel fold is also 1800 like they're all kind of in this area where also is it even that's the thing it's like inflation is it even is it even possible for a folding phone to get down to the price of regular phone because if it ever does that means all the components of a regular phone which there are less of are now cheaper like if i have a high-end folding phone which has two screens a split battery and a hinge if that gets to 900 bucks then that means a high-end phone is less than 900 bucks because it has one screen one battery and no hinge yeah but the technology is advancing and potentially getting cheaper to manufacture like if they if they created a new technology as the years go by that type of technology might get cheaper over the years right yeah i just think the best you can do is reduce the difference in price it will never be the same or less yeah because it's two screens yeah and two batteries yeah but the okay but you could say like the z flip 5 which has two screens right because it's got the screen on the front and the interior screen sure those are getting cheaper they're getting cheaper but if you if you tasked samsung with their same supply chain to make a phone without two screens with the same specs it would cost less right if you put the same yeah almost flagship cameras that they put in that phone if you put the same size battery and it's just a regular slab phone that would be an s23 fe right yeah so it costs less i would say comparing this to a z fold 5 i would buy this over a z fold 5 any day because i like the form factor better it's got better specs in general it's got the alert slider it's got better software in my opinion.

55:24It's got that cool little black dot on the screen on the inside. That dead pixel on the inside is really dope. It's not the smallest issue with the screen. I think this feels great. I think it looks awesome. The specs obviously are cool. The wireless charging is a bummer though. It is a bummer. But if I'm seeing this this early on, that's a huge red flag. Yeah, the thing is though, it's not on, I haven't gotten it yet and this is reminiscent of when the pixel fold came out and Rom Amadeo's pixel fold broke on like day two. that's the thing about nobody else's seem to remember i had the pixel fold here after like a week on the beach in chicago and i had no problems and then i've had this for like two and a half three weeks and babied it and i cannot believe anything has gotten under the screen like i haven't been in any weird conditions do you think something's under the screen do you think that's what happened i think something i mean it's dead pixels so something i did i mean this hinge though looks from all the hinges that i've seen this one looks the hardest to get something on the inside of also let's do a little asmr snap oh yeah right oh nice clamshell wow how many more pixels did i break doing that i've i just think it's weird that yeah so it's it looks so much better than the first gen foldables like this is a hinge that you don't think anything can get in it has ipx4 water resistance if you showed this to me like five years ago i'd be like oh my god this is incredible so they've come a long way but with any of these weird like screen issues like you said it's kind of just bad luck like yeah if i spent eighteen hundred dollars and that happened i'd be pretty mad i would be furious i think the question would be how will oneplus support these phones like can you get a screen replacement do you is there a warranty that will cover just a random screen breaks near the hinge that are going to happen to some people they ask you to set this one on fire and ship it to them and then get 200 bucks off the next one yeah it is what it is but it's out there watch the video i think it covers a lot a lot of the thoughts we have a lot of the thoughts about other folding phones i think i'd say the same as you i would take this over the samsung any day yeah but i would take the pixel which is funny that's a conversation i was thinking about i was like the pixel fold is technically worse in every way um but i like the form factor better and the ui is just so enjoyable that i would take the pixel fold over this i would also yeah yeah yeah by a hair but the screen is way worse on the pixel fold but i would still take it i even talked about that honor magic 2 yeah i would take that hardware over samsung's so it's all out there can't wait for pixel fold 5 the evolving world oh we're getting the you mean z fold 5 no pixel fold 5 yes oh in like five years yeah four years yeah four years yeah i'm also excited for that um all right let's talk about these these glasses this is the other this is the other piece of hardware we got this week these um oh nice david's got his too these are the didger's chime when you put them on uh-huh so these are the meta smart glasses it has multiple stages of connecting to your phone it's like we're on the bluetooth connected battery's connected brain is brain is neural link engaged okay these ones are transition lenses which is interesting.

58:33I just started playing music. Wait, they are transition? I thought they were just clear. No, check this out. I thought they were just clear too. I went apple picking this weekend and I put them on and I thought my friends were going to be like, David, you don't wear glasses. What are you doing? Are you being lame again? And then what actually happened was they looked like this and for audio listeners, they turned into regular sunglasses. Yeah, they transitioned to regular sunglasses. Let me explain. Everyone loves transition. Oh yeah, we don't. We even explain what these actually okay so we're wearing some glasses so meta made smart glasses in collaboration with ray-bans if you've seen ray-bans yeah if you've seen ray-bans sunglasses they've been popular and expensive and well known for a while hundreds of years then ray-bans stories came along that was the first gen this is the second gen from meta this is a pair of sunglasses that inside of them has a camera, some microphones, some speakers, a computer, a touchpad on the side, and some batteries to keep it powered for a couple hours, and a shutter button on top for your photos and videos.

59:40And it looks kind of just like a normal pair of sunglasses. Almost exactly like a regular pair of sunglasses. Like this is one of their styles, and this is how it would look out the box. if you didn't see the sort of a semi-clear thing on the side you wouldn't even know or the camera there's some tech in there and and the other cameras so this is what they would look like and you could walk around take first person videos and do a whole bunch of computing yeah on these the photo and video quality is really good by the way yeah 12 megapixel cameras so i'll say i agree the yeah the first person yeah i fully i think that's the number one thing people are going to want to do with this is first person photos and videos yeah and i think they're they're surprisingly good quality they are vertical vertically oriented i guess the sensor is instagram stories and stuff it perfectly matches shooting on your phone and vertical makes sense i wish i could also shoot horizontal but doesn't work so well just do this yeah i thought about that while you're driving because i was like oh i could do an autofocus video and this would be my first person this is the best first person driving camera ever made we played ping pong on it and it's really well stabilized and it's got good color yeah sorry it made a noise when i put them month yes it did yeah it scared me so so that's number one is like nice first person camera that's number one best thing people are going to do with it number two is the speakers are surprisingly good yeah they are these little two slot speakers on the things that like project downward into your ears like right into your ear canal and it's bluetooth connected to my phone so if i were to play music right now andrew's wearing them right now and i could hit play just don't get us demonetized and underneath your headphones you may be able to hear the music take me not what i'm playing so the idea is without any headphones on you can actually listen to music you can be on the phone you can be listening to voice prompts and things like that and no one would ever know because you don't even have earbuds in what i was surprised about when you were trying them is despite it not being like a closed ear earbud or it's not even bone conduction right it's just no so i could i like couldn't hear you listening to things but it was loud enough for you to not be able to hear what i was saying yeah so at half volume i can hear everything no one around me can hear what i'm listening to yeah and max volume everyone around me can hear it as if i'm listening to earbuds at max volume yeah or like open back headphones they're like bleeding a lot more like bone connection but i truly i'm like that's loud it's loud i never listen that loud so so it's got the mic it's got the earbuds that's awesome you can control the music with the swipes control the volume play pause all that stuff but you know it is a computer on your face and it is attached to the internet and to your phone so the last kind of interesting thing that it can do is act as a computer but there is no screen so everything you're doing is through audio so the best way to do that is with an audio assistant a voice assistant yeah and so you can say hey meta and ask it to do things ask it to read you things and it will use the internet connection on your phone to do so it uses metas llama llama their language model to to figure out what it's going to do so you can like ask it to take a picture or take a video which is cool and it works very quickly can we take a video right now yeah try it say hey meta hey hey meta take a video take a video oh i can see it oh there's a little flashing light on the inside so i can tell yeah i'm recording we're both recording this is what the podcast looks like for those first person view yeah pov this is what it's like you're andrew me and andrew and this is what you look like when you when you shoot videos with your sunglasses but yeah so you can do that but you can also just ask it hey what's the other hey what's a fact like ask it how ask a random like google something and it'll do it you can ask it to write you a letter ask it to explain something to you um i think we did also see an example of something in the keynote of like coming later it will use the camera to analyze what's in front of you so you can ask it about the thing in front of you damn that was a loud clap holy hell i'm so excited about this this seems like an actually very useful thing the natural language processing that was a really good clap it was a scary clap i'm just like natural language computers being able to talk to a computer and not have to talk with specific keywords to make it work and then also being able to be multimodal and analyze stuff around you.

1:04:08This is the type of face-worn computer that we've been dreaming about for decades. As long as you get past the fact that Facebook constantly has a camera and a microphone. Oh, I forgot it was Facebook. Shut it all down. We just need to put that disclaimer out there that if you're accepting this, you're accepting a Facebook microphone and camera on your face at all times. That is a fact. Oh, wow. That is a fact. Yeah, and we've been walking around just enjoying it, not thinking twice about it. It's like a Trojan horse, but through Ray-Bans. They've tried many Trojan horses, though. You know, what's the Facebook portal?

1:04:42They've tried many Trojan horses. That one worked for old people. Yeah, this one's going to work for fashionable people. Yeah. Just think about it. I mean, the thing is, they look enough like normal sunglasses, and they cost about the same amount as really nice sunglasses. Shocking. Ray-Bans aren't cheap, yeah. Yeah, they're$2.99 or something. which is like more expensive than regular Ray-Bans, but not by a ton. I went to Ray-Bans site and sorted by most expensive. There are dozens and dozens and dozens of sunglasses that cost more than these. Yeah, okay. I thought you were going to say more than$1 ,000.

1:05:16I do have to say, I weirdly like the clear seeing some of the processing units inside of it and the speakers and stuff. This is like a clear, not like a nothing phone clear, but it looks good. Translucent. yeah you might say yeah it looks really good it's lightweight um here's my one gripe i have about them and maybe i want to make sure this is correct when you're recording it's just this light that goes on right yep that should be a red light a blinking red light because the whole thing should be if this is a privacy issue of being worried that people around you are going to be recording you a white light is not enough to warn somebody around you that like this is potentially a recording video i know that's why they put it there to be like to get ahead of the like well there are there privacy concerns are you potentially being filmed all the time you guys were wearing these before and had the white light on and i was just like i don't know what that necessarily means it's doing i think that means it's recording but didn't the old ones have a red light or am i mistaken on that i don't remember i don't remember i'd be curious maybe not i very well might be making that up it should 100 be a blinking red light so even a solid red light if you walk by you might just be like well is there like a glowing thing on that guy's class to a blinking red makes me think like that person's taking video of me right now and if i don't like that i can leave right i don't know that feels like way too subtle not enough of a a real like warning to be honest i've been around people and actually mostly david recording and i see i don't even see the white light and i realized later that it was on so it is a very subtle thing yeah it's too subtle so when i was upstate um with my friends i was i took a recording of my friend who was uh and i was at oh you can't hear it because it's connected to the headphones but i was trying to i was trying to make it obvious i was recording so i was like what do you think of the apples how much uh i don't know what scale of what a scale he was really confused why i was asking him these questions the good ones they're great yeah he's like why are you asking he had no idea why i was asking him these questions and then i i was like oh i'm recording you right now and he's like what so even though there's a light on he didn't know it yeah it's not enough of a like blinking red light a hundred percent um it's fascinating i don't like that fascinating so now that these are out and they're going to be out in the real world who knows how many people are going to buy these and use these and what they'll use them for but the video that i chose to make was sort of combining this with the oculus the meta quest 3 because they seem like they're on opposite ends of the technology limit spectrum and and aiming at the other side at each other.

1:08:08So what I mean by that is this is as much technology as we can fit in glasses without them looking like more than glasses. The second we want to put more tech in them, the only limiting factor is can we put that tech in there and it'll still look like regular glasses. Bigger battery, more powerful computer, extra features, whatever, we'll do it as long as it still looks like normal glasses. And this is the benchmark. And they will keep adding stuff more and more and more until it's a crazy amazing virtual computer on your face i would say we've we've seen smart sunglasses before mostly just speakers in them um and the like what are these called this is ambient stocks what are these what are the ear things called stocks stems stems the part that goes behind your ear ear stem are usually really thick and really obvious these are thick i can't imagine it being any bigger than this i'm okay with this and it's it's since it's so lightweight it's okay but like it has to fit into this form factor if it gets any bigger than this you've lost it as a smart sunglasses so now think of that this is the glasses all we're trying to do is add more and more and more to this pair of glasses without making it more than glasses the goal is to have glasses that have amazing computing yeah now the other side vr like the quest headset their goal with that is like all right we have this whole big bulbous thing on your head head and we've put in all that we want to we have pass-through cameras we have sensors we have controllers we have all this stuff and the goal of those is to reduce them in size over and over and over so that we keep all the same functionality but shrink them down more and more until it's just a tiny little headset and then it's just a little visor and then eventually it's just a pair of glasses yeah the same goal of having all of the computing and it's a pair of glasses especially because the MetaQuest 3 is like a big pivot towards mixed reality first.

1:10:00Exactly. A virtual reality second. And the thing about mixed reality is it kind of feels potentially like a stepping stone on the way to glasses that can project in your vision with AR, VR. I don't know if that's like really how the tech will work in the future. But the idea behind pass-through and mixed reality is it's your world with virtual elements in it. And we're going to try to get this Oculus Quest thing. I keep saying Oculus. this we're gonna get the quest thing smaller and smaller and smaller until it's just a normal pair of glasses your world with virtual elements yeah and this is doing the same thing normal pair of glasses adding more and more tech so that's my that's my theory is they're like they're gonna just race to the middle and whichever one hits first wins and the other one will just turn into that and that'll be the what's like when it's it's like when two stars or black holes start like rotating around each other closer and closer until they become a supermassive black hole.

1:10:56Yeah. Sick. I love space references. Yeah. Is that what happens? Spinning around like the new YouTube comments. When they collide. Yeah, so black holes that collide become supermassive black holes. But one of them wins, right? No, they merge. Well, because if they spin, one of them, it's like one of them has to absorb the other. If they're roughly the same size, the slightly bigger one, or it depends on the angle of the collision. Yeah, the bigger one has more gravity, but it still has an infinite amount of mass. there are different levels of infinite amounts of mass true true true we're not entirely sure well yeah we've seen but we've watched it we've watched black have watched that black holes collide and become super massive because david is wearing glasses so i'd i'd listen to him yeah that's fair he does look smart at the moment yeah yeah i think that's that's my theory and there's a there's a photo of someone who took all the parts off of a quest 3 until it was just like the the computer slash screens and it's not that big yeah so like it's not that much bigger than these it's it's kind of like goggles yeah i guess projecting onto this into the lenses will be the biggest i mean or they could go the the google glass r.i.p so many freaking years ago route and just be like little display in the corner you could put a projector on your body somewhere too.

1:12:17Trivia! Alright. Oh, we need our boards. Alright, so quick update on the score. Marquez with 11. Andrew with 2, 3, carry the 1. 7. David with 10. Question 1. I think I might just sit this one out. What two games originally launched with the N64? nevermind this doesn't work give me a marker marcus we sports

1:12:47n64 this need for speed no comment

1:12:57i'm just gonna make up two random answers i can't yeah okay it's between these two i think it must have been an nhl blitz there's this other game that's a wild old game that i kind of think wait oh i can't change it can i flip him and read boys what did you write mario's mansion that's wrong on so many levels what did you write i wrote ocarina of time oh wow pokemon snap wow nope i wrote mario 64 oh wow how did you not post that's what I thought we were and I wrote Wave Runner I think it's Pokemon Stadium so Wave Runner was one of the ones that was announced but it was delayed at the time of launch is it also called Wave Runner 64 it's also called Wave Race Wave Race is Pokemon Stadium also a launch game wait is it Glover there's a game called Glover what's no what does that mean don't google that yeah what do you mean no you're a glove yeah oh i do remember that game that's you're just a glove and like imagine your fingers as arms you're like a mickey mouse roll around on a ball wait can i tell you the answers first yes so it was super mario 64 the other one you guys missed was pilot wings 64 yeah they had yeah it's all right so what's your theoretical oh man my theoretical um okay imagine how creative people would be if we all suddenly were able to see an additional color okay you have that in your head now okay that's how creative these motherfuckers were when they discovered 64 bits am i right you can be a glove

1:14:50question two

1:14:55incredible you know be a club be a glove equals new i'm just like that's a game We don't do that anymore. We should really do that. That's true. We have like crazy games. Yeah. I don't know. There's like a dinosaur sword fighting. How many bits we got? We got 64. There's some cool games coming out. But how many of them are glove themed? We're just going to discover. Unlock it. It was a great game. Our creativity. Yeah. New color, new dimension, new glove. In 2009, YouTube introduced an experimental lightweight version of their site. You heard it down already. What was it called?

1:15:37For bonus points, name every old color of the subscribe button. YouTube Ozempic.

1:15:47Name the top three most liked YouTube videos of all time. Going to the zoo. Are you just making up your own trivia questions now? Okay, got it. Now, what's the most disliked? I know one of them. for YouTube's lightweight player, which was called... Who wants to read first? Marquez probably got it right, so... I wrote YouTube Go. Oh. I wrote U-Tube, like the number two. Like T-Tube. Like tube. That looks like U-Lube to me. Anyway. YouTube Light. The answer was YouTube Feather. That's terrible. Y 'all need to... Feather. YouTube Feather? YouTube Go is the more recent version of that. Their light version.

1:16:39But not the first one. They did it twice? They did it twice? Wait, they did it twice? Wait, what was the second one? Go, the one Marquez said. Wait, Go is the second version? From August 2022, YouTube Go. it was that recent ago i don't remember that it was it left in august 2022 left what they killed it yeah they killed it where was it before that what huh okay i don't know what it was i've never heard of youtube go and it was alive till 2022 apparently they announced it in 2016 for people with 2022 for people with like way worse internet connections or like limited data you download the separate YouTube Go app and it would have basically all the same videos but super, super low bit rate streaming.

1:17:32I thought that's... I airdropped you the original Google blog post. Oh, you're just rubbing salt in the wound now? Oh, sorry, bro. I didn't mean it like that. Wow. Alright, question number two. We love it here. We think of the big innovation of the N64 to be 64-bit 3D graphics but in 1997, the N64 introduced what now essential smartphone feature to its controllers?

1:18:08Oh, that's not right at all. If I'm right, I have a slight issue with the way this question is worded. Okay. Come at me, bro. If you're right, it doesn't matter. That's not. It's not wireless controllers, right? It was, yeah. Oh. I don't think they're telling the truth. They definitely, there are no wireless controllers, as far as I know. I don't have an answer to that. All right, all right, all right. What do we got here? I'll do this because it's stupid. I wrote haptics. Yeah. I wrote vibration motor slash haptics. So they didn't add it to the controller. It was an accessory. Yeah, they added it.

1:18:45The next, the year after it came out. It didn't get added to the controller, though. It was an accessory. like you couldn't buy a controller with haptics you bought a controller and there's a thing that plugged into the back you're mating it say oh okay I guess I got it right who cares oh right sorry you put encryption and bluetooth encryption

1:19:15so that's been it thanks for listening to us talk about hardware, software, new gadgets, new features. I know you guys have been waiting for this for a while, so I'm excited to announce that next week's episode will be entirely YouTube history trivia. That's super exciting for me and for everyone else involved. Super pumped about that. Minus five points. But until the next one, next week. Catch you later. Peace. Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Rowland. We're partnered with Vox Media Podcast Network and our inter-outro music was created by VainSell.

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