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39:20All right, welcome back to Headlines in a Hat. We've got more headlines in Andrew's hat. They could say anything. They're from the past week. David, fire away. Here we go. Are you ready? Yeah. Power Beats Pro 2. I keep forgetting to write the actual headline. I just write what we're going to talk about. So maybe I should fix that next time. Apple announces Power Beats Pro 2. Thank you. Power Beats Pro 2. My new favorite headphones. Yeah, I wanted to ask you about that. Oh, wait. Do we have them? I do. I want else to listen to them. Should I go get them? Yeah. Oh, I threw out the camera. You threw them away?

39:58they're my favorite headphones ever i toss them no no i i mean so we reviewed them they are the sequel to the powerbeats pro that came out five years ago i reviewed those five years ago very positively they're in a lot of ways to me to me better than airpods pro they stayed in my ears better they had better battery life they're more durable um fast forward to five years later and you know for 250 bucks which they came out at you're not trying to buy like a lightning charge like non-wireless charging old set of earbuds. So they came out with a sequel and they're basically better in every imaginable way.

40:34They are the same exact launch price, but they added noise cancellation and transparency mode and adaptive EQ and spatial audio and the H2 chip. They are still IPX4 certified. The case is smaller. The battery life is longer and charges more and has USB type C and has wireless charging and has better colors and the buds are lighter and more comfortable and they sound better, they did everything. Did you already mention heart rate tracking? And they did heart rate tracking, which is actually kind of the least important thing. But it's cool, it's convenient if you don't have an Apple Watch. It's like, if you work out that much that you're buying $250 earbuds to work out in, I strongly suspect you already have a heart rate tracking solution.

41:16Totally. But if you happen to not have one, okay, then yeah, you can do that too. Can I play super? I think they're great. I do really like them. If I can play super quick devil's advocate. Yeah. All of those things are like the bare minimum of what a good pair of truly wireless earbuds needs right now. Like it's adding all this stuff because five years ago it was like on the verge of if everything needed those. But like at this point, any pair of truly wireless earbuds that are over$100 should have active noise canceling and transparency mode. And like half of the things you just mentioned. totally true i think qualitatively after you get like past the spec sheet it's like these have really good yeah noise cancellation they're a smidge below airpods pro but like overall they sound really good the sound character is fun like when i work out i'm listening to like i'm bumping like like good like hip-hop and beats and things like that and i don't mind the extra flavor in the sound and the beat the bass is strong and they're loud i love that they're very comfortable too so they stay in my ears which is already pretty impressive to me and then they stay sealed in my ears which is another thing so like airpods pro will stay in my ears but the seal will like slowly weaken over time because of the rubber tips these with the hooks they just stay in my ears they stay sealed they sound great the battery lasts like almost a month arguably with two hour workouts every single day it's awesome uh so qualitatively on top of the specs they're just fun they're great i like them so i yeah color is awesome i think they're super comfortable electric orange is one of the colors there's also a purple color black and white also options if you're a little more low-key hyper purple is the hyper purple yeah color i'm saying this is someone who my current favorite earbuds are the beats fit pro because i don't like the whole hook but i do like the wing tips yeah i like those too i love something i love about these which is my least favorite thing in truly wireless earbuds are i want it to be physical some sort of a physical button not touch control stuff because anytime you adjust in your ears yes i hate that so beats fit pro is a physical button these have an up and down switch on both sides and physically like you have to actually press in the button a clicking button yeah yeah so you have the volume open off the top and then if you tap the beats logo that's your play pause if you hold it that's your switch to transparency or noise cancellation and it's an actual click that you can feel um oh it's in my backpack that's why i also like that you don't have to because what i don't like about the ones you like andrew the beats pro the beats fit pro is that when the wingtips eventually start hurting my ears but maybe that's just my ears that's yeah i think that's a personal thing yeah but the other thing is that the the physical button you have to push it into your ear which usually also hurts my ears so i like that these have buttons on the side of them so that you kind of like click them there still is one you can see right here well it's almost the same button as the beats fit pro but it still has the two volume buttons on it i do think though these the hook for if the wing tip hurts inside your ear i think the hook will be the it's more comfortable it's more comfortable and feels like it's gonna stay there okay for sure i have a question about the using of these headphones so one of the issues i have with my airpods pro is that sometimes i'll throw the the airpods back in the case and it just won't charge and i won't know that until the next time i pick them up like occasionally one of them will just like be loose or something and then one earbud will be charged up to 100 the other one's like 29 or whatever um i've had that experience also with earbuds like this that have the hook because it's more things that could potentially get caught on like the case and like not properly hit the the magnets correctly or like whatever uses the charge yeah the contact yeah yeah did you have any of that when you were using this like is it kind of annoying to put it back in no so the case i think improved a lot of things the magnets are strong when i put them back in it was like pretty obvious when they would lock into place and i think if you if you didn't quite get them right and try to close the case it wouldn't close so then i correct them and then close it and it would close you'd know they're charging um and that was the other thing is like they had this feature where if you put the like let's say they die and you put them in the case for like five minutes that gets you 90 minutes of listening time which sounds really convenient but also in what world are you just letting the earbuds die like outside of the case like you take them out of your ears and just like put them down well that's what i mean that's what happens to me because i think it's back in the case but the case didn't close correctly or something and that's up happening.

45:59No, if you put them in the case, these, I mean, I had no issues. They seemed to charge every single time perfectly. And then I kept forgetting to test battery life because I would habitually get done with them and put them back in the case and be like, oh, dang it, they're 100 % again. Like I forgot because they just charged to 100 % every time. So yeah, the battery was just like something I didn't have to think about at all. How are the ANC and transparency modes? So I would say if AirPods Pro 2 is a gold standard, 10 out of 10 for transparency mode, uh these were an eight and a half okay pretty great transparency mode but but they have the h2 chip they do and i think that that's a little bit to do with like a physically different driver and maybe different microphone arrangements like it's not exactly the same that was my follow-up question is yeah how are they different because they look so similar i mean shape-wise they are different they don't have a stem so the microphones are in different places so they are processing it with the same chip, but maybe with not exactly the same results.

46:56Real quick, I'm not going to listen to these on the podcast. And the reason is, is remember a few months ago, I put out a video about speakers and kind of like the big gist of the video is like the driver is really important in a speaker, but so much of how a headphone sounds or how any speaker sounds is about the cabinet, right? Like the box the speaker's in that resonates all these low frequencies, spits out frequencies, does all sorts of stuff. When you put an in-ear earbud with a gel tip in your ear, people talk about the seal being really important, right? That seal we can call acoustic coupling.

47:35And that means now you have like this chamber that energy doesn't leak out of. Your ear canal and the earbud itself have effectively formed this - A closed area. Boom. Yeah. That functions a lot like a speaker cabinet. but everyone's head is a different shape and the inside of everyone's head is an even more different shape i hear that the the ear is as unique as your fingerprint exactly so think about all the weird length differences and angle differences and all the different ways someone's ear canal could be shaped that has a ginormous impact on the way earbuds are going to sound so So two people could wear the exact same earbuds and one person could say the bass in these is insane.

48:22And the other person could say these literally have no bass and they would both be right. I have a question about that. Yeah. Is it? So that's I that makes intuitive sense. Would it also make intuitive sense that once they're calibrated to their own ear that the differences in either direction will stay the same? So if one person thinks the beats have no bass and one person thinks they have a ton to bass and then i give them both the shocks earphones which have more bass will they both hear more bass i think and i don't know this is like sort of a pretty intense question but i i'm inclined to answer with it there's more there's too many asterisks to the for there to be one answer to that question, right?

49:11Like, like, what frequencies are the dominant frequencies of the material you're listening to? What what key is this song in? So therefore, what is the lowest fundamental note you will hear? You know, because it's not about you can describe it as more bass, less bass, but it is also as like, your ear canals have a bend that make them resonate more at 50 hertz, whereas mine resonate more at 65 hertz. And depending on what key the song is in, we could perceive more or less bass. Yeah. Cause there are, there are reviews of certain headphones that definitely are very bass heavy where universally everyone's like, Oh yeah, these, these have a ton of bass and I like them because of that.

49:51Like I have songs that I listened to where there's a ton of sub bass and I listened to on these headphones and it sounds great. And you read the reviews and everyone's like, yeah, these are really bassy. Yeah. So there's some sort of directional agreement, even though everyone's probably sounds slightly different per person. So I listen to these beats and I think these sound really good. I don't say that about beats very much. It's been, you know, years of reviewing beats and I'm finally saying beats sound like exactly how I want them to. So that's great. So that's why I like them. No, and it's also why earbud arguments literally drive me up the wall because the true answer of what the best sounding true wireless earbud is the one that sounds best to you.

50:31Literally, There is an IEE standard for measuring the frequency response of earbuds. And in some respects, frequency response is more important from an earbud than a speaker because there's no room. But at the same time, it's actually way less important because we have rooms built into our noggins and everyone's is different. Because someone could say the Powerbeats Pro 2 are all about that bass and no treble. But another person might say that it's all about that treble with no bass. Yeah, exactly. That's interesting. uh i really wish i had something that clever i have a question yeah did the original powerbeats have adaptive eq no do you think that's why it sounds a little better the constant monitoring with microphones so i didn't listen in adaptive eq mode very much so it's a third mode so there's noise cancelling mode transparency mode and adaptive eq mode oh interesting um in adaptive eq mode where it's not doing all the noise cancelling stuff the battery life is the longest 10 hours of charge if you do a and c or transparency something like eight hours of charge or sorry i said 10 for the first one eight for that um i mostly listen with noise canceling on because it just it's good enough and this is to answer your previous question like if airpods pro are a 10 out of 10 i know they're not but let's say that's where they're at these are also like an eight so they will get rid of white noise mostly and they're best at that but you'll still get keyboard sounds and like other handling sounds i realized in the in the video when you said that it was like keyboard sounds might come through and i was like he's talking about my keyboards which might be a little louder than the average to the left of you that that will make it through yeah but uh i i think in general if you're turning the music up and you have the anc on you're just gonna hear music so yeah i say one last thing about these whoever designed the website did a great job because David's been spinning around the virtual It's basically a fidget spinner.

52:23There's a 3D version that you can look at and whatever angle you're at when you change color it snaps back to the original position. It's really well done. Very nice. Wow that's pretty good. It's way better than Apple's website. Next headline. Okay preliminary findings. They both have the same inside the ear optical sensor. Just the power beats is rotated 90 degrees the uh heart rate optical sensor not present on this guy yeah airpods rumor that the next airpods might get one i could totally see that the vents are different uh big big giant vent on the side of the airpods pro not present on here i can't even find the internal microphones on this thing like the the microphones that listen yeah i think behind the mesh possibly i think what we need is for someone like uh zach or i fix it to do a tear down on these and then i'll be able to tell you more about if it's just a rehoused airpod pro too but um i like the orange the orange is really nice orange is sweet electric that is ellis's audio corner aren't you guys so happy I'm back next headline it's hat time is it me a few left Dua Lipa interviewed Tim Cook this headline says boomless supersonic plane we just finished one rant right into the next I'm not ready for this rant I am ready for this because I'm kind of a fan I talked about it on the last podcast so the update so the supersonic plane that's being developed and tested in public and making all these headlines, had another update.

54:09And the update was that, and I don't know if this is unique to this plane, but essentially they've found that there's an altitude and a speed that you can fly where you can fly supersonic and not cause an audible boom on the ground. Now, for those of you who may remember the Concorde, or maybe you're just a nerd and you watched it on YouTube videos, you probably know that an airplane flying faster than the speed of sound creates a sonic boom on the ground which is it passes by you and then at some point later the sound wall catches up and this high pressure wave hits you and it's a boom and it's kind of annoying if you're just living in an area where you hear booms all the time i used to live right above an air force base oh wow you lived above the air force base yeah not below on the mountaintop with the rattlesnake den we were right above Beale Air Force Base, yeah.

55:00So I heard sonic booms like every day. Okay, so perfect example. So that's a downside to supersonic planes. The upside is you can go from here to London in two hours or whatever. The downside is people on the ground having to deal with loud booms that may even damage things or like break windows or be really annoying to pets. So the science is that there is a cutoff speed and altitude where you can fly. and essentially because of refraction in the atmosphere and temperature and a bunch of other factors the supersonic the boom actually bounces off the bottom of the clouds or bounces off and back into the air and doesn't reach the ground the point is it doesn't reach the ground so you're flying supersonic it depends on temperature and it depends on where you're flying and the and a bunch of other factors so it's not consistent uh it's not going to be perfect every single time that's not great the fact is the fact is this exists this this rough area slash speed slash combo exists where you can fly supersonic and not cause a sonic boom on the ground i'm just trying to stall as much as i can while ellis furiously types into wikipedia does this mean my flight's gonna get delayed because it could cause a sonic boom no look most of these flights are over the ocean so it's actually not that big of a problem but if you're doing you know here to la that's over land so they've got to fly in an area and an altitude where ideally it's not an issue but yeah the fact that you can do that at all is pretty there's a strong irony to the fact that the company is called boom and uh their whole thing is how they're boomless yeah so boomless they should just have called themselves boomless i think the sonic the sonic boom is famous for like old like fighter jet videos on youtube you've probably seen them and and you've experienced them in real life but yeah yeah sonic boom is pretty crazy and yeah they're annoying to see to have a boomless supersonic craft is is also great before uh supersonic booms were popular because uh chuck yeager famously broke the sound barrier and stole my childhood um when he bought my road thank you i was gonna say you're gonna have to explain no further question yeah chuck yeager it's just lore at this point it's lore but uh my dad was living in the area the first time the sound barrier was broken and he said everyone called in to the like local news stations because they thought aliens were invading because they'd never heard a sonic boom before yeah so everyone freaked out so yeah that's terrifying if you have no idea what's going on yeah you're just hearing the sky like yeah it just basically sounds like yeah you can play a clip of it you'll you'll understand yeah so yeah exciting i also have no idea if this plane will ever actually be real or if anyone will ever actually ride in one oh there goes the headlines you can't take the hat off over and over uh yeah so that's my that's the update i know nothing else about this other than the science is pretty sick boomless i'm a fan of not the company but the science that they keep exposing us all to very cool that's i mean it works very cool uh just this drives me insane this story has been like eating me away because there's they're doing the the silicon valley thing where they're like we changed everything and we're like great and they're like that's it period yeah we'll see you next year and it's like nothing else i have a feeling that the way you feel about this company is similar to the way i feel about startup ev companies i would here's what i'll here's what i'll say the the the plane that flew this week and got retired this week is called the xb-1 It is their proof of concept aircraft.

58:42They said they flew Mach 1.14 at about 35 ,000 feet. And there were no audible sonic booms from the ground. And that's great. So now they're going to continue development on their actual airliner called Overture. in order to do that they need to develop their own uh i think they're going with a low bypass turbo fan engine that they're calling symphony uh that they have to develop themselves because all the major engine manufacturers were like we can't do that we don't um i don't know making 747 we will see i did think it was interesting that they did a lot of this with the xb1 with off-the-shelf parts um specifically the general electric i think it's the j85-15 afterburner variant i don't know we'll see i'm i'm curious uh and if you're an aviation engineer and want to talk about the mock cutoff effect and help me understand why you don't need like a 50 foot nose cone to get it uh please let me know because i am not an aerospace engineer and confused you did forget one other thing and it's the new plane they're developing also live translates i was gonna say i was literally gonna say ellis three words microsoft live translation yeah how do you feel yeah you're right that uh if you read their website which is like very much me not caring about the product anymore i'm just reading the science boomless cruise is what they're calling it but basically supersonic travel without the boom hitting the ground is possible between between certain ranges of speeds depending on conditions yes and so they're saying like oh yeah we could get you to la maybe 90 minutes faster with no boom if the conditions are right but if we're going over water we don't care about the boom and we could go mock 1.5 or something i think it was in between 1.72 is what they're shooting for is that am i right about that yeah i'm yeah i here's the thing right did you watch the live stream no i haven't watched any actually i watched a replay and i scanned through it for like five seconds yeah yeah it was fine I just felt like they were doing their best SpaceX impression.

1:01:02100%. Yeah. That's what I got to. And I was just sort of like, is this, you know, whatever. Great. SpaceX has cool streams. I feel like the live of that, SpaceX caught a rocket. They're flying a plane that doesn't produce the thing that we would see anyways. That's no boom. They have a live speed tracker thing. Oh, they're supersonic now. That's cool. Counterpoint though, Andrew. The test pilot that works for Boom is named Geppetto. And so during the whole live stream they were like, I think Geppetto's about to hit the afterburners, which I just thought sounded really, really silly. That's a great sentence.

1:01:43Counterpoint to your counterpoint. I know nothing about aeronautics. Alright. So I can't contribute anything. Hear me out. Faster flights. You in? You in? Hear me out. Driverless cars. Next year. Wait. Hear me out. His name is Tristan. His name is not Geppetto. Geppetto is his nickname. They call him Geppetto. And on the stream, they were like, Geppetto, he's hitting the afterburner. But no, his name is actually Tristan. They also refer to him as Geppetto. No, no, no, no. But I just didn't want to be like, there's this guy, Geppetto. And meanwhile, Tristan's out there angry. Sorry, Tristan. Yeah.

1:02:22All right. Next headline. next headline oppo find n5 wait do we have it oh yeah i should have brought it well well you can we can show it if we don't turn the screen on it makes no difference i can't no we can't okay here's okay here's the headline and this is literally the headline oppo find n5 is revealed to be the world's thinnest book style foldable س Thank you. That's all we get. and so i got this email i got the device i got uh someone reaching out from from oppo and so i have the phone and what we are allowed to show slash confirm is that it is in fact very thin we are not allowed to show the device with the screen on we are actually only allowed to show either photos that they have provided for us or our own photos now this is a video podcast i i tried to convince marquez to put it on video and just say video what is a bunch of photos i'm with you i'm with you i'm erring on the safe side here because 30 pictures every second is just where we're at right now pictures but fine okay uh it is very thin it's gotten me pondering a whole bunch more thoughts and feelings about it but i can't really get into those because all we can really talk about is wow very thin it's super thin the other thing is um if you look at these pictures there's a slightly modified usb type c port on this thing that's basically the entire thickness of each side of the book foldable it's like four and a half millimeters counterpoint counterpoint it's full of them today microsoft surface duo it feels super similar to the launch of that the embargo okay this is inside baseball microsoft surface duo i talked about it in the oh did you okay yeah when i reviewed it famously uh very annoying embargo on this phone i think it has well phone quote unquote phone yeah three yeah had like three embargos we had an embargo where we could show the hardware but not turn the screen on and then there was a separate embargo where you could actually review the device i think it was like a first impressions embargo and then the full review embargo which i because i think the second one you couldn't show photos from it and couldn't evaluate it.

1:04:39There's some small things like that. Now, Oppo is obviously on the fifth version of its Find N devices. I seriously doubt that them making it thinner is going to make it as buggy and horrible as the original Surface Duo. So it's probably fine. But it always feels a little bit weird. It is a huge red flag. Yeah. When they're like, you can show pictures of the hardware but not talk about anything else. It is designed to create a wave of headlines in one style before a wave of headlines in another style. Yeah. The first wave of headlines is this is a very thin phone. Verge brought up a good point too that they were very specific in calling it the world's thinnest book style foldable because while closed, it is still thinner than the Mate XT.

1:05:25While open, each individual segment, the Mate XT is thinner. The triple fold phone. The triple fold phone, sorry. Yeah, wow. So the triple fold, each one of those slices is a little thinner, but i will say it is thin it is thin yeah can confirm it is thin we're gonna have the same conversation about the galaxy s25 slim edge oh yeah when that actually comes out yeah that's a weird thing that's happening this year is like that is happening there's a rumor of the iphone 17 air happening and maybe one or two other like ultra thin phones yeah which is funny because we just finished talking about the pixel 9a being like finally what we wanted a thicker phone yeah assuming all these companies are using the new battery cell technology that allows you to pack more energy in a smaller package they're probably just making thinner batteries that have the same amount of capacity as existing phones which is not what we want yes we want the same size but with better battery life yes you know see oppo find 13 or c one plus 13 review exactly You say that, but when this thin Samsung phone comes out, I bet it's going to be sick.

1:06:35Here's my question, because it sounds like you're optimistic about that phone. I'm very optimistic. Do you think this is going to be priced ultra high? No. You don't think so? I don't think so. Because the way they teased it and they were like, this is going to be an amazing phone. It's the Edge and we're bringing it back. To me, sounds like it's going to be an$1 ,100 phone. I think it'll be$1 ,100. I think it'll be like$900, something like that. Because they're not saying it's going to be like the Ultra or something. you know like it's not like giving you any crazy performance it's like you're getting this because it's thin but where do you think so but we don't think it's gonna be like a 500 phone no i don't think so do we think the iphone 17 air is also in that upper echelon i think that's what i 17 air will be in the iphone plus category i think it's in the pro max you think so i think apple the way they operate this is they're going to try to make this the exclusive interesting one and so it's gonna be the one with the special battery technology developed to be super thin it's gonna be the one with you know a couple extra you know fun cooling bits that they invented to make a phone this thin i could see it going either way because that's what they that's the approach they took with the ipad pro they made it super thin and they were like this is the thinnest ipad pro and it's awesome yeah but i could also see them being like no if you want the pro get the pro like this is something else entirely apple specifically the air has always been a less powerful you're making sacrifices on performance to have a thinner if they call it the air yeah if they call it the air that's yeah like the macbook it would be dumb if they didn't call it the air they finally they actually have a good name for it it's like pro max and pro max slim 5g uw no air is perfect for this i think yeah edge also kind of works because it's so thin you could see it's like an edge whatever i think what do we think screen size for the edges like 25 plus screen size or like 24 It looked like, so, I mean, I got to check it out.

1:08:26I didn't get the whole other phones up to it, but it looked like S25 Plus sized. Yeah. Only dual cameras, though, instead of triple cameras. I think S25 Plus price, but with one less camera and some performance sacrifices. But the same price because it's thin. That's my guess. Performance sacrifices. Yeah. Because less cooling. Because they're probably still going to have a Snapdragon. They just have to fit more in a tighter spot. So like it almost makes me think of like S20 FE kind of thing where it's like, what are some small sacrifices we can make for something else? Right. Yeah. It's like we're trying to think of other devices that will be close to.

1:09:08I like how the Oppa phone was this boring that we are no one to talk about. I was just going to say, let this be a lesson to all future embargo creators that this is why these embargoes are stupid. because we just spent this whole section talking about a different i mean they got their headline they got their headline on a bunch of websites it's the thinnest book style foldable blah blah yeah it'll come out later this year but the thinness thing is what we're like focusing like do people want a super thin phone which leads us down the road of you know there's other super thin phones coming out this year and we think do people want them and how bad do they want them would they pay 900 bucks for it i would like to see the thinnest books style foldable that's what I thought when he said that before.

1:09:48That would be better. Book style is this. Yeah. He means the clamshell? Yeah, the books. I'm picturing like the iPhone 17 Air, if it's as thin as the edge, right? Does it still have MagSafe? So then you can like slap a magnet. I mean, like a wallet on there. Apple releases a phone that doesn't have MagSafe. Right. So then it's as thick as a regular phone. But like, you know, I feel like that's the benefit. And you put it in a case and now it's the same size as a regular phone. That's what I think. Oh, yeah. In a case is now the same size as a phone without a case. They got to launch this phone with like a super thin case or something because it's going to be really funny when people go wait in line for this phone, this super, super thin phone that they've made sacrifices for and paid a bunch of money for and then immediately put a case on it and it's just another normal size phone.

1:10:34Otterbox. With worse battery. I'm just saying. Put an Otterbox on it, dude. Wow. Otterbox is going to make a case for this phone too. It's going to be really funny. I'm just staying optimistic because I think these super thin devices are actually going to be pretty cool why because i think we haven't explored that before well we've explored that to failure before where like phones were bad like the razor back in the original remember the the there was these two razors that motorola made the original razor disgustingly thin no um motorola is it oh the razor edge the razor is that what it was called they had those two modular phones the pins on the back yeah and they were the thinnest phones i've ever seen and terrible battery life like not a lot of great things about well that's the thing if they suck then then none of this matters but if it's like a decent phone it feels like this is maybe the first time that the compute is mature enough to give us razor thin phones that don't suck i'm just curious to see whether something like the pixel 9a going with a bigger battery and slightly thicker is how that's going to hold up overall with like in the headspace of people compared to something that's dropping that's going to be super thin.

1:11:46Yeah. Dropping? I think. Don't drop it. I think it's all going to be price related. I think that A phone is going to come out. It's going to be 500 bucks and it's going to have an all day battery and everyone's going to be like, yes, that's good. Yeah. And then this premium phone is going to come out that's super thin that has a worse battery and all the headlines are going to be no. Yeah. This bad. I like the two different directions we're going in, though. I'm curious to see what happens. I'm realizing some of these directions semi-lead to this last headline in this hack. Really? Save the best for last.

1:12:14Is this a segue unintentionally? Not really. I just wanted to talk about the next thing. iPhone SE4 has leaked a lot. Nice. Yeah, there's rumors about this one, too. iPhone SE4. There's more than rumors about this one, yeah. Oh, there's still the possibility. Mark Gurman originally said that it was going to come out this week we record on Wednesdays if we don't no no he said this morning it's next week now there's still the possibility Mark Gurman said this morning it was going to come out next week okay I hope it's by Wednesday anyway this phone has leaked in full many times over in very funny ways Spigen I don't know if that's how you pronounce the company's name But they're a case company.

1:13:03They accidentally leaked the entire design by putting the case for it up for sale temporarily, which had photos of the phone in it. So we basically know exactly what it looks like, assuming that wasn't just a placeholder that is speaking and put online. But effectively, this is the most Frankenstein looking iPhone I think we've ever seen. Yeah, interesting. It uses a ton of parts from a ton of different generations of phone. that's the first thing that struck me is typically the iphone se has been and this isn't even that bad of a thing it's just what it lets them make it so cheap but it's been a parts bin phone right meaning we put this really really fast chip from this year's phone in this body from this older iphone yeah and we're like oh yeah now it's cheaper great and that means it has a worse screen and a worse battery and a single camera but it's like it's a cheaper iphone so it's successful and it's fine and this one looks like it's not actually a previous body well in some ways it's using a bunch of parts from older phones uh like it has a notch so there's no dynamic island uh nestled in an oled display so it's kind of like an iphone 13 an oled kind of situation 13 have oled yeah okay yeah or the pro or did they all had oled yeah is this not i can't tell the sides of it it feels like a 10r i think it's square is it square 10r was rounded it was rounded but it was single oh yeah that does look like flat side so it's more like an iPhone 12 it's like it's similar to an iPhone 12 body the back kind of looks like a a 10R because it's a singular camera you get a singular camera and it has sort of that sheen of like the 10R color it has an action button oh I didn't notice that yeah so it's like updated to have the action button these are also all alleged like the Pixel 9a yeah yes it's got the 48 megapixel rear camera and it has a much bigger 3 ,279 milliamp hour battery over the 2 ,000 milliamp hour battery of the iPhone SE 3 Apple A18 chipset and 8 gigabytes of RAM which suggests they are going to add Apple intelligence yeah so there was also a 10 second hands on video from this leaker that was posted on X a couple weeks ago that shows it from basically all angles oh okay yeah this changes yeah what it looks like so yeah it kind of looks like an iphone 12 mixed with a bunch of extra parts yeah it looks nice oh man we haven't seen the notch in so long yeah it's fun also remember the the iphone se was 399 and then it was 429 right the newest se well at least at launch was a little bit more expensive sorry i'm curious if the new new sc when it finally does come out will still be because it's now more ram and maybe it's a little bit less parts binny maybe yeah they might do so yeah it's 429 the iphone se3 is 429 right they might do 499 because that that's what google is selling the pixel 9a series at anyway popular price yeah 500 seems like a popular price i could see apple doing 500 for that um just because it's using and it's apparently going to have an oled screen instead of that lcd one that they had on the oh but it's probably gonna be 60 hertz oh yeah oh yeah apple of course it's gonna be 16 is still 60 hertz yeah dang it okay that would be wild yeah that'd be yeah promotion yeah okay yeah well i mean we're expecting that to be pretty soon again by the time you hear this maybe we know more maybe not who knows um yeah another alleged phone rumor mill it's happening very fun i think that the rivian is going to be a color anyway somehow the rivian did the best teasing out of all of this yeah good job rivian if you are listening to this podcast on your date with your significant other whoa you're a real one send us a like and a tweet and a comment leave a comment on blue sky take your phone out on the date and leave a comment sorry sorry one second thank you but if you're not we're about to do trivia trivia dude so second question please do something i know in honor of ellis being back on the pod another ellis style question which of these is not a real streaming service a phoebe B Acorn TV C Mubi M-U-I M-U-B-I Muji D Fubo E Tubi Okay, I have a logical answer.

1:17:52E F The Chick-fil-A streaming network. My logic for this is, you know how like every deity like ends in like an ah sound? Like ah, like God or Allah or something like that. All of these services end in E. except for one. So I'm going with the one that doesn't end in E. Also, doesn't God not end in A? No, A vowel sound. Oh. And I'm just going, oh, one of them doesn't have E at the end, so. Phoebe, Mubi, Fubo, Tubi. Yeah, the one that's not E. Yeah, that's my answer. Acorns. Acorns. Acorns. We will think about this one. Answer's at the end like usual. We'll be right back.

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1:20:25so in honor of valentine's day i thought it'd be fun to play a little game called tech that ghosted us so the way this is going to work is we're going to go around and we're gonna each talk about a tech that is either discontinued or that went out of business that we miss that it just disappeared i got ghosted once yeah a long time ago yeah we listen and we do not judge still who wants to go first i can i can go yeah i'm still waiting for that text back um the year was 2020 uh for every frisbee team i've ever played on and just among my group of friends i'm usually the one that knows the most about the weather that tracks but in 2020 that tracks apple bought dark sky and they bought dark sky to buy all of the technology and the real-time sourcing and whatever.

1:21:24And so they immediately removed the app from the Android app store and they shut down the iOS app shortly thereafter. And they brought some of those features into their own weather app, but my life just hasn't been the same since I was ghosted by Dark Sky. I really miss Dark Sky. What are you using? You're using that? So I use Carrot Weather right now. It's the closest we've come. They even have literally a dark sky clone layout option for those of us who aren't over our really, I mean, are over a dark sky. And on Android, there's not really anything close. I've gotten some use out of what is it called?

1:22:05Shadow weather is OK, but there's another one that's I do not have a weather app that I enjoy yet. And I got tired of looking. There's honestly not. They're kind of not all. They're all not good. Yeah, it's a shame. some of them are aesthetically pleasing but don't over drop i think is aesthetically pleasing but isn't the best like accuracy so yeah so yeah that's that's definitely my uh that's your one my one that i have one that i just kind of thought about the other day because with powerbeats pro being 250 we were trying to find some other comparable uh active headphones like workout based headphones and i was having a hard time finding some so i remembered an old favorite of this channel jaybird and tried to look up jaybird headphones and realized they are just don't seem to be a thing anymore and i missed that completely i thought they got bought by logitech yeah they did and then logitech just said later jaybird headphones used to be like the workout headphones i loved them like some of those old ones marquez brought me on to them i remember before i started working here and I was playing ultimate with Marques he was always testing like new Jaybird headphones without looking it up how much do you think Logitech bought Jaybird for less than a billion correct can can we ask a year this was yeah you can um 19 2016 16 well that was that long 20 million yeah I'm gonna go like under 100 million I'll go 50 50 million yeah yeah holy good guess very nice yeah i thank you i thought that was a nice discount 50 it sounds good yeah i mean they just got rid of them yeah to not do anything why do you when did they stop doing that yeah i i think it was several years later they stopped making them but i remember like the jaybird x4 is not that no i guess it was kind of long ago uh being pretty great they kind of fizzled out right before like the truly wireless earbuds started happening like they would be the earbuds that were connected via cable so you'd have wireless earbuds but still have a cable between them.

1:24:12And then right as we started getting truly wireless earbuds everywhere, Jaybird disappeared. Wow, they did the Jaybird Vistas, which I loved. I used those for so long. Like they started in, they like got into the truly wireless category and I loved them. They had some cool colors. They were like great. They fit my ears good. Little wing tips, but like I loved those things. And it seems like they were kind of the end of the line for them. Dang. What was the really popular one that had the, they were connected with the cable? That was X4. The X1234, yeah. Yeah, I think I had the X2. So you had Jaybirds on my...

1:24:45It literally felt like ghosting because I tried to find them and realized I just haven't looked for that long. It's been a few years and they're just gone. Yeah. Do you guys remember Quibi? That's not mine. That's not mine. I'm joking. I'm glad that's dead. Damn. Okay, so there was a service called Scroll. I don't know if you remember this. Yeah, the Ethereum wrapper. Yeah, clearly. It got bought by Twitter. So what it was was basically this. It was a subscription. It was a ad. Wow. I forgot about that. Yeah, it was awesome. It was an ad free subscription service service where you would pay five dollars a month and basically news organizations that signed on would give you an ad free experience.

1:25:38and it basically distributed the subscription revenue to all the news organizations that would sign on to it. Isn't that just Apple News? Also, yes. Sort of. But they had a lot more publishers. Like all the Vox brands were on it. Android Police was on it for some reason. It was very cool. I really liked it. I liked being able to support the brands that I liked. Twitter bought it. I believe it got integrated into Twitter Blue temporarily before Twitter got purchased. It was great, and I really liked it. And there were a lot of questions about the scalability of it, obviously, because they were like, well, does one user who pays$5 a month, if there's a bazillion news organizations now on the service and they're all getting like three cents from a user, is that better than the ads that they would see?

1:26:35there were a lot of questions that were left unanswered but for the period of time that it was around i really enjoyed it i feel like this is what people wanted when it came to skiing is like you want to ski at a bunch of different mountains how can i buy like a season pass to go to a bunch of them and then what happened was veil just bought every single mountain and you can do that but now they have like total control over like interesting they own an absurd amount of like the skiing mountains in the u.s huh i did not know that it's a huge point of uh contention i think in the skiing world but it's sort of like class pass too do you know class pass no class pass is a service where you you pay like a monthly fee and then you can go to a bunch of different fitness classes from a ton of different types of fitness classes uh and you use credits that you get through class pass and class pass pays the gyms to be able to let you use them that's kind of cool so it's kind of interesting yeah like a test of supercharged network ls you got one

1:27:36back in the day there was this product that I loved so dearly my whole family actually loved it just as dearly as I did it was sold at an unlikely place do you guys remember the store that was mostly in malls and airports called Brookstone Brookstone was after Sharper Image yes okay brookstone sold almost exclusively garbage yeah um it was like the airplane magazine and like a weird amount of massage chairs that's like i googled every mall first thing that came yeah like you'd be at the airport and you'd be like i really want to ship this massage chair i don't know but they did make one thing that was amazing it was called the brookstone weathercast.

1:28:31It was an unbelievably simple piece of tech. It was an LCD screen, like a black and white calculator style liquid crystal display that connected either via 3G or radio frequency or something for free to this network. And it would just pull AccuWeather forecasts and you'd stick it on your fridge and it would have a five day forecast. And you cannot buy anything, anything that does this except for one thing and i'm gonna get there before anyone says anything but any single time you look up weather clock you get the weather stations where you put a thing on your like roof and it'll be like this is what the temperature i don't want to know that you know i don't want to know that i want to know how hot and how cold it's going to be today damn it and i and and and no one make i mean yes i can look at my phone but i like the ability to walk into my kitchen in the morning and just see while i'm drinking my coffee this is pretty awesome It's amazing.

1:29:27And literally, it was like my mom's favorite tech product of all time. And every year for Christmas and her birthday, I look around and I cannot find a single thing like this that exists until this year. Yeah. A company called Terminal built sort of like an open source Wi-Fi version of this. And I bought one for my mom and it still hasn't arrived yet. And I need to reach out to them to figure out where it is. But once it gets there, I'll let you know if it's the real deal. Terminal has no vowels because it's a tech startup. Nice. You're not getting that? The amount of vowels is how likely you get it.

1:30:04You're at zero. But I'm excited for this. for this i'm excited that this product after like a 10-year hiatus has still has come back and uh yeah brookstone weathercast incredible product no no yeah i've seen this terminal thing yes uh quinn got one snazzy labs got one recently and he loves it he said it was cool um i'm really excited about it but i can't get too excited about it until it's actually in my mom's hands which it's not yet anyway that's my thing brookstone weathercast bet none of you remember that i have a question why not just use a google home or something home hub i don't want that that's fair enough yeah i don't want that's what i got my parents i mean there's look if you got a google home that's great i there's nothing wrong with that but i don't want a computer i just want a little computer no it's still a computer no no this the brookstone weathercast will never ever show you an ad.

1:31:04It would if it was live today. And you cannot say that with confidence about the Google Home. You'll never get home from work and be like, oh, what a day. And then you look at your Google Home and it'll just be like, Bluetooth. I don't think my Google Home's ever shown me an ad. And I can say with confidence it will eventually. That's fair. That's true. Okay, mine, speaking of Google, that I have been ghosted on is... what? Aloe? Oh no. Oh David why? I'm changing mine. Google Aloe. Mine was Inbox as well. Oh my god. I hate you for this. Google could just be a whole pack. I was going to say Google Stadia but I kind of want to change it to either one of those.

1:31:56Stadia. I loved Stadia. I remember when it came out. I was so excited. the controller was perfect it was good and i regret getting rid of it after they shut down because now it's just a bluetooth controller you can use for like anything and i i got rid of it because i was like ah what am i gonna need this for now and i should have kept it i would argue stadia broke up with everyone they didn't just straight ghost yeah they gave them they refunded everybody for every game they ever bought yeah but i'm in denial still so is that not ghosting that's like if you're part one of the they broke up and brought all your stuff back and paid you back for all the dinners you paid for that's tough that's that would be pretty sick i do yeah i miss it because i think they were a little too early to this whole cloud streaming thing i mean i don't know because microsoft xcloud is still just like doing a thing right xcloud is that what it's called xcloud microsoft like streaming service xbox xbox live xbox cloud yeah so whatever no it's ls uses it it's called something different well whatever that is it's called xbox cloud gaming no and it's and it's still a thing so like google could have done it and they just xbox cloud gaming beta beta i thought it was always gonna be a beta what there's a lot of google things like that that were a little ahead of their time oh yeah but you know that rhymed me google plus also a little ahead of their time inbox that you mentioned inbox also time so good the one that i just thought of though that wasn't necessarily ahead of its time it's just not it doesn't i don't think it works anymore and it just died is google reader yeah google reader i used to use that every single day to like follow all the sites that i read there's a bunch of other uh rss readers yeah i talked about that last week i switched to feedly and i like tried a couple others and even flipboard had some stuff but i just never quite got back into it after reader died yeah yeah yeah i got ghosted didn't we all did they get rid of Raider?

1:33:59yeah I just googled it instead but they still have blogger it's from google I think it's an 80 % chance if you ask if they got rid of it it's true well now that we're all sad about things we don't have anymore we should have started with this time for trivia? what better time? time to be sad that we get none of the trivia ratings yeah I'm not getting either of these trivia dude but first i just wanted to say as a follower of sports youtube uh one of the most talented creators in that space kofi just left vox slash uh yes he just left vox slash secret base oh i saw that he said he got laid off very sad but you should go check out his channel and support him in his solo venture because if you even remotely like sports you will like that content can you to help can you spell his name because i'm trying to find it right i probably should have done that first his name is spelled k-o-f-i-e kofi you have almost definitely seen him in a secret base video or something in the past but uh talks about video games talks about sports talks about things that it's one of those youtubers where even if you don't like sports there's something for you you know like like me and bug youtube like i don't like bugs wait did you see ants canada connected all of his of course okay you haven't seen it yet but tell me about it later i want to know what happened i have notifications on for i need to know i also just want to say now i'm just riffing here but he whenever he builds a new um like terrarium aquarium he uh like has this community panel community channel vote thing to like decide the name and i wanted so bad for him to name it the splash zone because it's an aquarium uh but alas the splash zone did not make it anyway question number one i have four tech company i don't want to say startup because last time i used startup people got mad but i have four tech companies in front of me adam hit that music A.

1:36:11Skeo. Sell subscriptions without ripping your hair out. B. Fruit. F-R-O-O-T. Swift conversion. Automate legacy migration. Ship faster. C. Keek. K-E-A-K. We're automating conversion. Excuse me. We're automating conversion rate optimization. Jesus. D. Koho. Giving Canadians the tools and knowledge to make their money grow. Also, Ski-O is spelled S-K-I-O. Ski-O. We all have a 25 % chance of getting this right. Why? Because you all know one of them's real? No. Oh, and which one is fake? The three of them are real. One of them is fake. Wait, how did you arrive at 25 %? Because there was four answers.

1:36:56We're just guessing. Shot in the dark. And we're guessing.

1:37:02Don't cut it. Let it hang. you made me think for a second i was like david made me think for a second and try to i would have been thinking for a lot longer than a second if you guys weren't here anyway flip yeah flip those boards how did you arrive at what have i ever thought all right who would like to read their answer marquez and i wrote the same thing which is a skio a skio is incorrect skio is a real company it's a really boring twitter bio it is it feels very made up david put b and before i tell you if you're right or wrong david can you take me through your thought process what made you arrive at b um what was b it sounded the most fake well yeah which one was b i don't know i really don't know it was like automate something that was c yeah but i was david you are correct I made up fruit oh fruit right because I thought it sounded too much like looped that early Sam Altman company we don't talk about that here also he had his looped that's where he had the dual color at WWDC with the pink and the it was the fruit of the loom kind of vibe Sam Altman that was Sam Altman anyway congrats on your point David I'm now going to turn it over to my co-host he's really running away with this it's he more than Marquez and I combined We're about to find out quick update on the score Marquez with five Not only is he more than you and mark has combined but Andrew we could double your score and it's still more than you guys Whoa Andrew with two And after that point David running away with it with nine But it's okay because none of the points matter when we get to trivia Yeah, I'm just accusing this dude.

1:38:55This is insane. This is a heater. Yeah, I've lost every trivia extravaganza Not this season. All right. Question number two. Which one of the following is not a streaming service? A. Phoebe. F-I-B-I. B. Acorn TV. C. Mubi. M-U-B-I. D. Fubo. F-U-B-O. Or E. Tubi. T-U-B-I. This is so hard because we joke about these. I just make them up so often that I don't know which ones are real anymore. Exactly. I already forgot all of them. All right. Flip them and read. What do you got? David and I have the same one. Which is Phoebe. Phoebe? Yeah. Correct. I almost. Marquez, what'd you put? He put acorn. I put C, which is movie.

1:39:51Movie is like a criterion collection competitor. What? Don't know what any of that means. They're sort of like trying to split the difference between being an actual film distro company and being a streaming service. So Grand Theft Hamlet is distributed. A movie production. And you'll be able to stream it there. I don't know. And Phoebe makes. Phoebe makes Tubo, which is the broadcast arm of Grubhub. Of Grubhub. Oh, my gosh. Of Chick-fil-A. Which is all owned by the Shine Hardwood Corporation. Which is all owned by BlackRock. Which is all owned by Alphabet. Yeah. Well, we tried. We tried to answer them correctly.

1:40:38Some of us got some right. Some of us didn't. Thanks for watching. Next week, probably not headlines in a hat. Actually, I can't guarantee that. There may be more headlines in more hats, but there will be more headlines for sure. The hat, TBD. See you guys next week. Peace. Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Rovin We're partnered with Vox Media Podcast Network And our chariotron music is created by Vayne Sil You can do what you want kids Bingo You can do anything

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