The Rabbit R1 is Here!

33:27yeah for your next autoplayed video sorry it's what was gonna show up in next mine went from i don't have a next button next to the play it's right next to the play pause button how many times i didn't know that existed okay one ten maybe two i just think it's like when you hit autocomplete on your phone you write i space and then just fill in the blanks for the rest of the sentence i think that tells that says a lot about you that's your personal algorithm i'm that was very interesting mine did very specific things it did three so i clicked on a disc golf channel called another round disc golf it played three of those then it played five hour plus long uh runescape lo-fi beats like music channels and then played three lawrence music videos like it's sectioned them not like staggered it went three disc golf five runescape three lawrence i started on a coffee zilla video it played another coffee zilla video and then i played eight last week tonight yeah why is it doing it in order i got something totally different i clicked on a secret bass video shout out and then it played nine i did a thing videos i was not expecting it to keep going in i did one i did a doug de miro video and then i got a bunch of cars and bids videos in a row and then the last one of them was a car spotting video and then i got a bunch of other channels car spotting videos this what's car spot this kind of people go out into cities and take videos of cool cars they see it's like train spotting but even more niche no that's not true car spotting is i know that this type of train is going to go through this station at this time and i'm going to go look at it that's a michael fisher activity plane spotting plane spotting is fun plane spotting is i know that this plane lands or takes off from this airport at this time and i'm going to watch that that can be cool so car spotting we're newark i respect people having interests our parking lot is probably good.

35:24Yeah. They're not quite low enough to really be like, oh, it's that. Maybe if I had a Samsung Galaxy with 100x zoom. Man, if I had a Samsung Galaxy. You could take a picture of it and the moon would be there. Yeah. Okay, we're off the rails. We're going to take a quick break. I feel like this happens every time we talk about a YouTube UI. That's exactly how I expected it to go. But we will come back and talk about the Rabbit R1, our thoughts here, and iPhone emulators, of course. But before we take a quick break, we should do a quick round of our world famous section where we do the thing where we answer questions.

36:00Trivia. Trivia question. Where's Adam? I straight up thought he was going to be in today. I didn't realize he was going to be gone. Where is Adam Molina? You're not going to get it. What is Adam Molina's address? We're answering impossible questions. Adam Molina is currently located in Brooklyn, New York, United States. He's playing hooky. Oh. Wow. He's currently in Brooklyn, New York. He should be at the podcast. Adam, what the hell? I mean, that's pretty cool. I knew it was him. That's impressive. That's impressive. So, gentlemen. You guys are not allowed to. Actually, you can use the rabbit for the trivia question.

36:42Yes. Perfect. Where in the world is going to be? Say the trivia question. Say it. Wait. I can do a harder trivia question if we want to open it up to rabbits. Yeah. And then Marques and I will both use the rabbit to see if we get different answers. If you're going to use it, the rule is your answer has to be what the rabbit says. Like you can't. And you have to write all of it down. I'm not using it. I have faith. It can be this. We can make this one. I don't know why. No, no, no. Maybe if we have time at the end, we'll include it. But you guys got me really stoked when we were talking about a teenage engineering calculator.

37:14So both of my questions are vaguely calculator related today. The second one more than the first one. The first one actually has nothing to do with calculators, but a calculator on the iPad got me really stoked. And it made me think about the last app Apple took forever to release on the iPad, weather. And so my question for you is, how many years into the iPad's lifespan did it take for Apple to put their weather app on it? Is this closest Delta? I was going to ask if you guys wanted to do closest delta or are in beta range multiple people can get points type B. In beta range? Where you have like a target range and if you're within three you get points.

37:57Yeah, like if you're in this you get this. I think we should do closest delta. I agree. Sure for closest delta. And then we should definitely ask Rabbit both of these questions at the end of the episode after we answer. After we answer. If the Rabbit can get the second question, that would be really interesting. I actually think that question you just asked is kind of hard. That's a pretty good question to ask it, yeah. I think for it to answer specifically the answer you're looking for, it took a long time for the weather app to come out. How long was it available without the weather app? It's a hard thing to actually answer straight up.

38:28The question is, will it get it right? And you can't just trust it. You're going to have to look it up anyway. Yeah, it could confidently just say something. Well, we will all think about that. Our answers will be at the end, like usual. We'll be right back.

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40:43Get started at linkedin.com slash campaign. Terms and conditions apply. All right, welcome back. This is the part where we talk Rabbit R1. I have, I'm holding the Rabbit R1 here. David is also holding a Rabbit R1. Andrew is - This is where I would be holding one. Would be holding one. If I had one. for those unfamiliar, the Rabbit R1, how do I describe this? So there is a new category of device. It is hardware focused on AI. I guess that's the best way to put it, hardware driven by AI. The most recent of which is the infamous Humane AI pin that you might have seen. I reviewed it. It was not good.

41:27The other that's coming out in a staggeringly similar timeline, or at least within a few weeks of the AI pin is this, the Rabbit R1. They are supposed to be able to do a lot of the same stuff, but they do have some very notable obvious differences. And it's kind of like it reminds me of when the Tesla Model S came out and then every electric vehicle for the next four years was compared to the Model S, whether or not they were even remotely in the same category. It would be like, here's a F-150 Lightning versus Tesla Model S. It's like one of them is a pickup truck, but because they're in the same category of electric, they just compare it to each other.

42:01So the Rabbit R1 is different from the Humane Pen. It has a screen. It has a screen. It's the size of like a postage, I would say like a post-it note stack, roughly. That's a way better analogy. Holy hell, that's fantastic. What have people been saying that it's the size of? It's like half the size of a phone. It's also like a Galaxy Z Flip. That's exactly when it's full. Exactly. It has a camera that swivels. It is not wearable, at least without additional accessories. It's supposed to be in your pocket. It has a button. belt clip with this would be fire it would be fire could be uh it is a touch screen it does not make phone calls or send text messages but it does have a sim card tray for cellular data 4g 4g data but the idea is mostly the same that you're carrying around ai in a separate box from your phone with you to do some things that you don't do on your phone yeah that's the high level of what this is there are obvious upsides and downsides yeah upside being could do some cool neat stuff and be very helpful downside being now you charge twice as many things now you carry twice as many things now you spend twice as many dollars um but i will say the rabbit is 200 and does not have a monthly subscription until you buy a data only sim and then you have a monthly plan.

43:19Unlike the Humane pin, which was$700,$700 or$800, plus the$24 a month for the services and data that comes with it. So I think they're going to lean into that as being their number one differentiator is it's much cheaper. And I'll tell you right now, it makes sense holding it exactly why it's cheaper. This is a very basic screen. It is made of, I believe it's plastic i'm gonna double check but it's this bright neon orange it's collab and design with teenage engineering um but it's not like this hunk of metal or anything crazy like that and the processor and internals are very minimal media it comes in a cardboard box with a plastic shell around it and it it doesn't even come with a brick or a cable like it it's obviously they're making money just on the hardware here fine but what does it do would you actually carry this these are very early impressions we picked it up last night yeah uh it's been sitting here in the studio for less than three hours what are your initial thoughts david so i want to talk about what the dream of what this product is supposed to be i think that's a good place to start yeah so their whole thing which is very different from the humane ai pin is they have a thing called the large action model yeah and the idea there is when new products come out this happens with like razor all the time they'll come out with some new like oh we put new rgb lights in this and if a game developer wants to they can plug into our open api and use it and then one game uses it because they partner with them to use it and nobody else uses it and when you're trying to build out a product based on an open api but you're a new product uber doesn't care about you like nobody cares about you right so their whole idea is hmm we're not going to deal with apis we're going to learn how people use web apps on their computer and we're just going to teach an ai how to click things for it so it's going to do uh semantic segmentation to understand what buttons are what icons are so that if you train it enough it can click when you say play this on spotify for me it'll in the cloud somewhere click around the the fake buttons on the spotify in the cloud to start playing it on the device this makes a lot of sense yeah from a high level i will say between the humane ai pin and this this like fundamental idea that the that the rabbit should eventually get to i love me too because this whole thing and i talked about this in that last video is I want an assistant that I can treat like a human assistant yeah I don't have a human assistant but what I want is to be able to talk to this device like a human for it to understand me like a human and then it can go do things like a human yeah and if I were to get a human assistant you would also theoretically need to train them to do certain things like the first time I ever say hey can you book flights they're like okay well do you like window seats or aisle seats what airlines what you know airport do you prefer all that stuff But once you train them once or twice, they should just get it and be able to do it.

46:32Yeah. And that is exactly how you treat this idea. Right. It should just be able to do whatever you can do because it's doing the same actions that you would do. And it takes that off your plate. And if you ever need to train it, it should be able to accept that training and do more stuff. So fundamentally, yes, I love doesn't have any apps or any APIs. It can interact with things the same way you can. And I love that part. Yeah. In the AI space, they call these agents. rabbit is calling them rabbits which is fair it's just an agent cool yeah uh so you know when you when you teach your rabbit how to do stuff for you you do have to train it how to use a website or an app right because it's it's basically based on like web apps and like computer apps and the high level idea is that there's like a training suite where you basically record your screen and it learns how you click on things.

47:26So during the keynote last night, they gave a demo where they were training it how to buy an iPhone for you on Amazon. So they basically like recorded the screen of the person going on Amazon, clicking, searching iPhone 14, clicking add to cart. Now, the problem right now is that the approach they're taking is very similar to the Tesla full self-driving approach. Which is it needs to see every situation to learn it. Correct. and when tesla tesla sold cars that were cars first and then something that was happening that the cars were just doing in the background that people didn't have to manually do themselves was it was recording all of the drives it was seeing a bunch of situations and how the human handled it yeah and it was also able to like recognize objects by just taking in an insane amount of data and putting that in the cloud and using that as a model it didn't even necessarily this is just semantics but it didn't even necessarily recognize the object like it doesn't see a stop sign for the first time and go what is that and the human stops and it goes oh stop sign it never even knows that it's a stop sign it just goes when i see that again this is my behavior because this is how you're supposed to handle this yeah yeah yeah which makes sense but the fact that that was like you were people were just buying the cars anyway because they were like trendy and electric and cool and then that was an additional thing that was happening in the background the thing with rabbit is when they first announced it they showed off the training program the training model and all this stuff and theoretically they have 800 apps trained the problem right now is something they said last night at the keynote is for every app that you train you have to develop an interface to interact with the app on the screen on the rabbit and that takes a lot of ux design man hours yeah so what they want to do what they're building towards is a generative ux thing where you train the thing it automatically knows oh this is a music app oh this is a shopping app and it develops the buttons on the device itself this is a little bit of a letdown because currently uh besides being able to do the all the chat gpt stuff that it you know because it's a chat gpt box basically and answering your questions whatever it currently connects to four apps uh spotify doordash uber and midjourney so these are the ones where the experience is fully built out the way they want it to be they have a ux on the device for that experience so that means like taking spotify for example i call up the i pull up the rabbit and i start to ask for a task from spotify and it has a screen on it so that if i do need additional input i can interact with it there so like i say pull up and play the most popular song from hans zimmer's discography and then it goes well here's the most popular one do you want to play the second most popular one too and that's how you interact do you want me to demo it right now uh sure i mean we'd have to because it's gonna sure but the point is it has a screen yeah and And unlike the Humane pin, you can directly interact with it on the screen right away.

50:33Yeah. Because there's a little UI built. Yeah. But that's only for these four apps. And for all of the rest of the hundreds, you either can't make any adjustments or you just kind of have to trust that what it's doing is what you want. Yeah. Are there any music artists that were whitelisted on this channel for that I can play? You can do Vainsil. Yeah. Okay. It's also an interesting name if it understands. Play the best songs from 20SYL. Okay. Starting the music player now. Okay. So it's playing a 20SYL song. You can see it on the screen. And because it's just... I'm going to stop this just so it's not being annoying.

51:12Okay, I can pause. Cool. Because it's playing it attached to my Spotify, when you open up Spotify on my laptop, you can see the same song is being played on my laptop. So you don't see a mouse moving around and clicking things because it's doing it in the back end. But that's how they get around the API thing is that they have like a virtual semantically understood like these are where the buttons are. I'm recognizing the buttons. I'm clicking the buttons for you. And then I'm pushing that to your habit. Like macro type activities. Yes. It reminds me so much of like botting in video games. Like Rootscape used to just literally be like if you don't want to do this really, really tedious grind of some dumb activity, like tree cutting, you would just download a bot that knows how to do it.

51:56Yeah. Yeah. This is the bot that needs to do it. This is going to RuneScape bot real good. I can't wait. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, it's a little bit of a bummer that right now there's only four apps that have UXs on it. So, otherwise, it's got effectively the same functionality as the Humane AI pin, although in our four apps. Well, I would say it can do a lot just by interacting with those 800 apps that the Humane pin couldn't. But you can't interact with them. You can't. They're trained, but you can't interact with them. I can't do anything with them? No, because you can't sign into your account.

52:28there has to be a ux to be able to sign into the account to interact with the app oh that's so true yeah because then when i so that's funny when i logged in i i logged into spotify yeah and it was it's kind of funny i went into the web portal and it was very clearly like i'm going through a macro instruction phase right now by signing in and like putting in it wasn't just a normal yeah username and password thing it felt like it was recording. Wait, did you sign in through this? No, I signed in in the web portal. Oh, okay. And the mouse button was different. Like, all these things were different about it, which felt like I am teaching it right now how to log into my account.

53:01And I did, and now it works. But I do realize now you need that UI just to log into any account in any app. So it's like different? It's not just like the like normal little pop-up that comes up that's like link this or like sign in with your Google account? It looked just like that. No, it looked just like that. But the mouse was different and the window was like windowed off like three times it looked kind of kind of weird so and that's in the like a web in the web portal the rabbit hole portal okay so like you looked like you were on essentially like a virtual machine inside of a web portal that's actually what it is it is a it is a virtual machine yeah right yeah interesting that feels so weird yeah i get it but it feels weird like it is a very smart way from a high level to get around the API problem.

53:50However, you run into some weird things. Like when you're setting up the rabbit, you have to do it on your laptop because if you do it on a phone, there is a mouse that is floating that you can't move. Exactly. Oh. So because unless you'd like plugged in a mouse to your Android phone and move the mouse physically, it doesn't let you do that. Here's a question. And I know we're still, so we're only on four apps right now, right? Even though they said 800 trained or something like that, right? Which. Yeah. hopefully comes out sometime soon. Everyone loves the launch of a product with none of the things they promised originally.

54:25But, like, just for example, we just talked about YouTube completely changing their whole web layout design. What are we going to get when, if YouTube's on there, or DoorDash is a new update to their design and buttons are different? The idea is, like, the way that scripts work, like, for example, Fuji recently released a special edition X100V. they got scalped instantly when it went on sale. And the way that those scalpers work is you're predetermining what area of the screen to click and then the macros just do it. But the way that they're doing this is they're semantically understanding what is this button.

55:01Like if I see this green button with a play logo, I know that's a play button and therefore I know to click that. So even if it gets moved on the screen somewhere else, theoretically, it already knows to click that and that means play. yeah what if like let's take for instance the like button or it used to be a five-star rating on like youtube then switch to a thumbs up like button like you can have a significant change you have to be retrained yeah yeah fun so the training is a weird thing because we were talking about the tesla full self-driving approach um they were originally i think just gonna like the the training of how do i use this web app and you can just train it yourself that was something that was super exciting about this device that I think a lot of people are hyped on because it's like, oh, even if I have this really narrow use case that only me and a few other people do, if I just show it what I'm doing enough times, then it should be able to do it for me from my thing.

55:52But they kind of went into this thing about AI safety at the event and they were like, we realized we don't want people making malicious scripts with this that they can train. So we're going to like red team this until later this year when we know it's safe to release. The problem though is if you do that then you have four apps that you can use in a chat gpt box yeah that's basically the problem with that is you said all this stuff was going to happen got a hundred thousand pre-orders and then said it's not there coming soon yeah this is the fundamental like buying a device based on future promises thing where ai ai in general has all this gigantic future promise and we're coming out with a device that's based on it super early and it delivers almost none of that promise and yeah you could make a real emotional argument that this is worth buying based on the possible future of what it could be to you but it makes it impossible to review right now because it just doesn't do that stuff yeah oh and the i do think the price is significant though 200 i'm way more interested in spending 200 on something that could be something cool and maybe i could toy around with because it's 200 there's not a subscription hundred to give it a shot yeah i do think you i guess you don't need to sell your cellular data no you can just use wi-fi if you want okay so you don't need to pay for a data card that will cost money per month eventually which feels like a little whatever um yeah i i kind of like it i love the color it feels like it could be fun two hundred dollars isn't the worst if you're down to like throw some money at something i think this has my ultimate thought on it though is just like at when i think of the ai pin the humane pin and this is that like the ai pin at least makes sense to not be your phone this makes zero sense to not just be an app on your phone because the ai pins on your body and your phone can be in your backpack you have to interact with this almost exactly like how you would interact with the phone it has nothing extra in fact everything is worse than your phone the screen the camera the oh yeah the processor is still every single part of this is worse than your phone and you still need to pull it out of your pocket right so you're using it exactly i gotta charge it so every time you have to use you have to go you have to make that decision like am i going to pull my phone out to this or am i going to pull this other thing out my other pocket to use this so the friction level to get to your phone is the same as getting the same so i'm going to pick my phone most of the time because my phone's really good at pictures and videos and looking stuff and the the pin at least their marketing thing was like you don't need to keep reaching for your phone it's on your body already we already talked about all the shortcomings of that, but I just...

58:33Fair... I think that's a fair assessment between the two of them. Yeah. Here's some other interesting things that it does. Treat it like a human, but like a superhuman. If you point it at a large paragraph of text or an article and say, summarize this for me, it will read the entire thing and summarize it for you in like three seconds. Yeah. That's pretty cool. Yeah. It is a lot faster than the humans. It's noticeably faster. And I noticed that it'll have the rabbit be like, sure, let me take a look at that for you. Just to burn time. It's burning time. That sounds so simple, but the Humane Pen doesn't do that.

59:10The Humane Pen waits. Occasionally does that. No, no, it does it, but after a wait. I feel like it always does like, pause, pause, pause, pause. Looking up how old the Williamsburg Bridge is or looking up Bridge, the Williamsburg Bridge is like, it just is later. Like do it first so I know what you're doing. Adding little time stoppers like that to make it feel like you're having a real conversation makes it feel like the wait time is less than it is or to even just make sure that it thing to do heard you the humane pin there were times where i saw markets be like true ask it like how old is david amell and then go to ask it again and it would be like looking david amell and it's like well now i pressed it again and activated it and i don't know if it hurt me when we were recording the review i remember you would ask it a question we'd wait like five seconds and then you'd be like i guess it didn't hurt me try to start to continue your script and then you'd be talking to be like yeah we just start talking yeah yeah that that's a subtle thing but that's really smart to immediately engage burn a little time and confirm that it actually heard you yeah which is smart yeah um it does have a little speaker on it it does have a small virtual keyboard this is a touch screen yeah so you can input your wi-fi password a hilarious bug is there there there is no percent button on the keyboard yeah so if you get this before the ota update and you have a percent in your wi-fi password you can't use it because it can't connect to wi-fi to get the ota update so that was kind of weird but hopefully get the update somehow can you even have a percent in your wi-fi password yeah lots of people oh okay yeah unfortunately so those people those people shouldn't get the original rabbit i so i'm sure there's another way to connect you can to to go into your settings you shake it like i feel like this has like a lot of teenage engineering blood in it which is hidden ui which is to say like make it like weirdly quirky and slightly annoying in favor of being quirky you know um the problem is like you know i got settings but when i when i go back home it just goes back to the spotify app and i don't you can't get out of the i don't really know it is not as intuitive it's not as intuitive it is that's how i'm looking at it the ah sorry from how many times david's copyright music yeah professional tech reviewer how do i pause it like that's that's where we're at uh also the scroll wheel in my opinion oh my goodness david it's copyrighted i'm talking so you can't hear it i'm saving it uh okay uh the the scroll wheel shake it harder okay the scroll wheel acceleration i think needs to be a little bit tweaked.

1:01:51Yeah, you gotta turn it to a camera. You gotta turn it a lot to do a couple of things. If this had like steps on it, like I could tell like some better feedback in the wheel. It would be so much better. Yeah. The haptic feedback is actually not bad. Does it not have it turned on? There's haptics? Yeah, right? Mine doesn't. This does not have haptics. I thought there, oh, when you're using the keyboard, it does have haptics. There's a haptic motor in there. It just doesn't work for most stuff. I don't know how to get back out of Spotify, which is unfortunate. Does it have like a home screen to go back to?

1:02:22No, there's no settings. You just hit the button. Go home. ordering an uber for home it did do that it went home purchasing home it does have connects to Redfin and just buys you a house so here's the keyboard it's very cute very terminally which is very nice you can type on that yeah it's actually not bad it's wider than your iPhone mini keyboard bro no it is hold up at least Jesse said that on stuff so he was talking about it and how you type here so you can type with the keyboard and you can scroll through with the wheel, which is cool, but enter is always the button. And when he was holding it and I was watching the video, I assumed the button was top right.

1:03:07It is underneath, which feels, if I'm using both my thumbs to type, that is a weird spot to enter every time. Yeah, okay. So we can compare. So like the iPhone keyboard is a lot taller, which helps. It's about the same width. Yeah. I didn't find it that hard to type on, to be honest. Why is the keyboard touchscreen but it seems like the rest of the device is not touchscreen? That's what I also don't understand that. They force you to, this feels like Teenage Engineering. It's the same thing. Adam, did he put out the video out yet? The like white people? Not yet. Anyway, this feels like Teenage Engineering.

1:03:46This feels like Teenage Engineering. Teenage Engineering always like adds these weird things that they could add easily but they intentionally don't so that you have to use a workaround that is quirkier theoretically but kind of annoying my theory is that they like voice better and they probably want to focus on voice things that's why they don't want you to use the touch screen as much oh wow yeah but the thing is like if i'm in the settings menu oh wait right you have to shake it okay if i'm in the settings menu why can't i just tap this one's the touch screen that part is really you have to use the wheel yeah and the button and the button yeah okay so bro you're chewing through battery i know i know holy cow yeah so we maxed our brightness though i think you should be able to yeah i agree i started my day actually i started the podcast sitting down with 96 battery okay ellis how long have we been sitting here recording that's a great question marquez we have been sitting here recording for one hour and 18 minutes now so in that 78 minute span i have burned all the way down to 71 battery okay i've done a few queries yeah but that's about 20 battery in an hour 70 minutes yeah that's a lot of math it's probably gonna have to be charging soon for half hours uh yeah yeah the interesting thing is i feel like the approach they're going with is like could not be more different from humane where humane was like get rid of well they didn't say get rid of well they kind of said get rid of i don't know they said it but they were like we need to change the way we interact with technology we need to have a more humane approach to technology they had their turtlenecks on and did their whole and this one's literally like no humans animals rabbits yeah well and also jesse like go he like keeps recording himself like doing things and then it messes up and he's like, just so you know, guys, this is a beta.

1:05:44Like, I don't know. So to me, it feels like they're letting the people who are like hyped about a new product category, like beta test this for them. And they want to set the expectations so low that even if it doesn't really work, nobody can get mad at them. Which kind of, like, I generally prefer the under-promise approach because even if you don't deliver, you never promise anything. Is it under-promising though, if in the original keynote you say you can train it to do things and it has 800 and then it can't do either of them. I strongly agree with that. That's a problem. I mean like I think the under promised part is that it's way cheaper and I'm way more okay beta testing something and learning how to do something for 200 bucks than$800.

1:06:27I still I don't know. I don't know why I kind of want this even though I'm like I have not said a single nice thing about it. Because it's a teenage engineering product. Camera? Bad. Battery? Bad. Functionality, bad. Orange? Orange? Chef's kiss. Okay, hear me out. Hear me out. What if it is actually an amazing product and it's just the wrong demographic? What are you talking about? What demographic? Think about it. I can't wait to see where this is. Old people? It's bright orange. It has a tiny keyboard. And it can answer really simple questions. Babies? Guys, this is for kids. Picture your little kid.

1:07:06Lane, I'm getting one for Lane. I don't need to teach you anything. Just go out in the world. The kid's like, what color is that? What shape is that? That's an octagon. You don't even need school anymore. You don't need school. You have the Rabbid R1. It is kind of like a legit Pokedex because you can just point it at things and ask what it is. That's what a Pokedex does. Would you be the coolest six-year-old or the lamest six-year-old if you brought this to preschool and you were like, check this out. What lunch is this? And you said like, this is Chips Ahoy. But even like, how do I spell that?

1:07:38Or like walking up to a building and be like, what's inside there? Yeah. How do I do math? Can I pet that dog? Yeah, exactly. Maybe this helps children navigate the world in a way that parents who are too busy. That's actually a great point. Jesse, I'm not available for hire. He was so close to getting the right target demographic, but instead he got. But how do you market this? I guess they already kind of are. I don't know. Sorry. Sorry, continue. I was just going to say, like, I keep, like, thinking about this and how they're always, like, just ask it this. And then I think, like, if this had a touchscreen, I would like to do some things quiet.

1:08:14Well, you can. You can type with the... You can just in the terminal? You can ask the question. Oh, I thought it was just, like... I asked with the weather. It told me the weather for Illinois. It was great. Oh, okay. So I can do that. Yeah, you can. But I have to go into the... No, you just turn it sideways. I have to shake it and then turn terminal on again. Oh, do you turn it off? Why is it called terminal? That makes it sound like it's... Okay. Cool. That's my fault. that's my fault i'm just wrong and then i can turn it this way and say yeah um who hosts sick i don't know what i did take a while i think i hit the scroll wheel and went back that's perfect i'm trying as hard it is not as easy as the iphone keyboard i will in this time i could have pulled my phone out of my pocket and just type bro you're just not thinking yeah this is hard.

1:08:59Okay, this is harder than I thought. This keyboard's bad. I think I could get it. It's got some use to it eventually. It's bad. It's a bad keyboard. I mean, yeah. It's searching. The Waveform Podcast is hosted by Marcos Brownlee, Andrew Manganielli, and David Amal. Now I'm going to ask one more question. I asked the Humane. The Humane Pink got that right. I'm going to ask it the question it got wrong. And then I said, which was? Who produces

1:09:24that podcast? Does it? In Terminal, is it going to understand the context? I think so. You should be able to chain questions. Okay, I just said. I typed much better that time. Nice. It got this one wrong the same way. The Waveform Podcast is produced by Marques Brown Lee, Studio 71. Oh, old answers. Not true. It's old. It's produced by Alice Rovin and Adam Alina. Yeah. Well. Are you sure? So it kind of feels like to me that something that I kind of like took in from the event was they showed like all of these partners that they started bringing in. And just for context, Jesse is like a serial startup founder and he was in Y Combinator, which is the biggest startup incubator in the world in the Bay Area.

1:10:18And Humane kind of took this approach. The way I see it, Humane is trying to be Apple and Rabbit is trying to be Android. they're like we need we want partners to work with us but we're gonna great analogy sorry i like that a lot checks out in a lot of ways we're gonna like enable a terminal we're gonna work on the all these getting like unlock usbc for you yeah they said they were gonna like allow the port to do whatever they're just gonna like do whatever you want with this and it's kind of like a low-end thing but like figure out how to hack it and make it interesting whereas humane is like we have our OS that's a closed ecosystem that only works with our humane stuff and it doesn't do anything else.

1:10:56They are doing, well, future doing something, opening APKs or something like that with Humane Pin for other people to do stuff. I think it's like the OS or something, right? I think so, but I guess the OS is running the pin, no? Cosmos. I don't know. This, wait, did you see what it said? Yeah. I said,

1:11:18I said, are you sure that's who hosts it said yes and i said no it's not and it said sorry or i apologize and then i said fix it and it said the waveform podcast is produced by studio 71 and just said the same thing again oh yeah so it was interesting because like during the keynote jesse's like you guys asked for for perplexity we added perplexity you guys asked for this we added this so to me they're like this device is all about partnerships and like hacking your way into it working and it just feels like a very different approach than humane was taking yeah i still think that this is more of a tech demo than it is like a product that is going to change the way you interact with technology right now it's sort of just showing you what you could theoretically maybe do in the future if it was better um i think it's it's like a beta device it feels like yeah people that want to just have a fun little thing to mess around with and play with ai hardware that's what this is for it is a really cool way to show off a really sweet technology that is large action models yeah and like once whether this is super yeah one training exactly there's a ton of training to do whether this is like going to be the coolest product ever probably not but large action models are awesome and this is going to be a fun way to do that i'm weirdly excited for it because like what you said I think people are going to do some crazy shit with it like weird stuff and I'm excited to see what they do and some of that might be kind of cool and at a way cheaper price point that's pretty neat and by excited I mean I still will not buy one of these but I still think I can't wait till Adam buys this and thinks of something really cool to do with it.

1:13:03The CEO and founder of Teenage Engineering is now the chief product officer of Rabbit as well. I think Jesse is on the Teenage Engineering He's still on the board. They're basically like this. They just high-fived on stage, basically. I appreciate that Jesse goes into the Discord and shows off a lot of stuff to the people in there. Humane also has people in and out of their Discord, but Jesse feels like he is really reacting to a lot of things. He made that video, and you know he's making that video. Humane has a Discord too. Yeah, they do have a Discord. Bethany and Imran go in it, but Jesse feels like he's interacting way more and showing off things on it.

1:13:40Which I think is really neat. I have two closing thoughts. Okay. I mean, these are obviously super early impressions. We just got the device and I'm working on the review. But my two closing thoughts from this. One is when you zoom all the way out, and I always try to think how I would explain this to a teammate or a regular person who's not into tech. And it's up against the exact same questions as a humane pin. Wait, so it does what my phone does, but on another device? Like that's still, it's up against that, obviously. but my other thought which i've been like composing into maybe a video in my head which is interesting is technology has allowed so many of these new categories of products to come out long before they are actually reaching their potential as what they're supposed to be as a product 100 from games getting like sloppily released but then software can fix thank you alpha games sorry i'm interrupting you but that's how i've been like semi comparing this to it's just like every game is an alpha release which basically is like you can pay a little bit less than 60 bucks but you have to tell me that you're okay with this game having a ton of problems and we'll fix it when we feel like it so that happens all the time we've talked about it earlier today cars coming out with software features that are basically alpha and that may get better and live up to the promise over time later to obviously smartphones this happens all the time apple announced a new iphone and deep fusion is coming later this year and just trust me on this one all the way to these things which are like at the furthest end of the tail where they come out and they're almost useless but the idea of what they could be in three years is this gigantic beautiful assistant in your pocket thing so invest in it now it's just technology has just created this thing that i have feelings about.

1:15:30It feels like everything is a Kickstarter now. It's like you need to give us money so that we can achieve the dream that you want. But you gotta give us the money to do it now. Yeah. Do you believe in us? Unfortunately. So sharks? It feels like most of the products don't deliver though on like their dream which is just super disappointing. Which is why I give my endlessly evergreen advice of to buy a product for what it is now. Yeah. Buy the game for what it is now, buy the car for what it is now, buy the phone for what it is now, buy the R1 for what it is right now. Also, IO and WWDC are next month and the month after.

1:16:08So it's going to be very interesting to see how those companies react to this. I cannot wait to see the Google Assistant and Siri updates this year. It's going to be spicy. It's going to be fascinating. This is my prediction for the Rabbit R1. Specifically this product. Just this product. this is the new Spotify car things yeah I mean tell me I'm wrong it's it's kind of cool and then nobody really liked it and then you got it for really cheap later and then everyone found kind of cool things to do with it everyone hacked it and did their own thing with it car things 2.0 you can take the die for 200 bucks but this is a good place to end it I think a good thing to keep in mind is this is literally just our very first day of impressions and we're working on a whole bunch more research and eventually a full review so stay tuned for that.

1:16:56But we got much more to talk about after the break. We got emulators. We got TikTok or the lack of it. But before that, we should take a break with trivia. Trivia.

1:17:12All right. So the calculator app, calculators, we're back. The calculator app on the original iPhone was actually based on a classic calculator from 1977. There are two points up for grabs in this question. One point, if you can name the legendary German housewares company that made this calculator. They're still in business today. They're mostly known for clocks and razors nowadays. Another point, if you can name the designer who made this calculator, who shares a first name with a famous tech journalist. There's not that many famous... Can we just put the first names? I will accept just the first name.

1:17:53Okay, cool. That gives me a chance for one point. Okay. Famous tech journalist. You know, I know German housewares company sounds like, but I promise you are all aware of this company. Yeah. And you said they make clocks and razors. They've made everything under the sun. They've been around for 60, 70 years now. However, nowadays they are most known for clocks and razors. they might they might only make razors now actually um clocks and that's such a random i can't think of a single company that makes clocks and razors we'll figure it out once i answer the question for you guys then you'll know you don't know who made razor scooters i will i will let you ask the rabbit if you are willing to just put down whatever it says this is my one opportunity i might try it all right well We'll be right back.

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1:20:56If you're like an OG old person like us, back in the day. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Speak for yourself. I do not consider myself old yet. You know, we're both 30. David's not. So we are on the older side of this platform. Cut off for old will always be right above me. Fair. I think that's totally fair. Thank you. Moving goalposts. Yep. Yeah. Anyway, if you're an old person like us, you might remember this thing called Cydia, which was a way to jailbreak your iPhone way back in the good old days. Damn, I am old. Wow. Exactly. I don't know what that is. Am I the young one now? You remember jailbreaking the iPhone?

1:21:36You remember jailbreaking the iPhone? I never had an iPhone. Do you remember jailbreaking iPod Touch? I never had an iPod. That was what I used Cydia for. Anyway, back in the day, if you wanted to play emulators on an Apple device, a portable Apple device, you had to use this thing called Cydia, which would basically jailbreak it, and then you could install emulators on your iPod Touch or your iPhone, that kind of stuff. Apple has traditionally not allowed emulators for a very similar reason to the reasons they haven't allowed games inside of super apps because they can't control all of the micro software that's in the macro software and they're control freaks um but now that the digital markets act in the european union got passed and in the eu apple has to allow third-party app stores apple realized well if we have to allow third-party app stores and probably one of the main reasons that people download this third-party app stores is to do the thing that they can't do on the regular app store which is emulator being a big part of it they just realized like if we don't want people to go to the third party app stores we should just allow emulators on our app store fair so that's what they did um they finally decided to allow emulators on the app store so now there are a couple up there uh the biggest one is called delta which is a nintendo emulator that can do anything from the nes through the n64 for the home consoles and the game boy through the nintendo ds for the portable consoles it's not a new emulator it's something that's been in development for like 10 years because they were basically just sort of like waiting for the day when they could like push this out and it's always been in test flight so you could like get it via test flight yeah so it was always unofficial not on the app store and then as soon as apple relaxed these policies they just hit publish and all of a sudden they have this very full featured very built out emulator didn't shoot up to like number one number one on the app store for like a week yeah um you can easily airplay games to your tv you can use it with bluetooth controllers so it's like a pretty it's a pretty serious app yeah that's funny yeah so it's uh it's quite cool i think that there's just there's a lot of weird gray zones around emulators in general because technically there is precedent for the ability to run an emulator of something to understand how it works but then obviously distributing game files yeah is illegal all the games you're playing you're not paying for exactly yeah so when you distribute an emulator you just say like we're just giving you the platform it's not up to us how you get the thing that you do because theoretically you could do a rom dump which is called a it's read only memory but you can basically dump the game from your physical cartridge if you wanted to and then play that and that is technically legal.

1:24:23That's like the way that people get around this is that if you bought the copy of the game, you should be able to play the read-all-me-memory version of the game on a different device. So that's how people get around this. Anyway, it's kind of cool because there have been all these reasons why you would buy an Android phone specifically because you could do things on it that you couldn't do on an iPhone. And now this is just another thing you can do on the iPhone as well. Yeah. Yeah. Is old game consoles the only thing that people want to emulate? Seems like that's the only thing people talk about.

1:24:57Mostly, yeah. Pretty much. Is there an Android one that you would suggest? I'm assuming this isn't also on Android. I don't think Delta's on Android, but there was one called something for GBA. Charlie? That I used to use. What was it? Oh. I can't remember what it was called. I don't actually play that many games, so yeah. Yeah, I'm asking it like I would want to do something, but I probably wouldn't do much. Maybe on like a plane ride. I mean, yeah. I'm just seeing GoldenEye on an iPhone and I'm like, oh, that sounds so sick. Yeah, that's true. There's one device that I can say for certain is commonly emulated in the United States without needing to play any games.

1:25:42And that is the OG Palm Pilot OS. and that is because the first digital movie projectors, all the timing calculations was done on a Palm Pilot. And when it became impossible to get Palm Pilots, it was easier to just emulate. They did it on a PDA? Oppenheimer, the 70 mil IMAX, because all the IMAX software still only runs on Palm OS. So if you go into an IMAX 70 mil projection room, you will see a computer running a Palm Pilot emulation. What? That is calipar. Why did they do that via a PDA? Because I think it was really simple software and it was a cheap thing. You could just mount on the wall and teach people how to use.

1:26:24And I thought they'd be around forever. That's crazy. That's the most film industry thing to do ever. Ain't it? Like make everything a bazillion dollars and then use like a Palm Pilot to like figure out when to swap the reels. And then be like, we can't remove this stuff in the chain. It's stuck. Yeah. We'll be doing that in a hundred years and they'll be like, yeah, it was only available on the Rabbit R1. Now we have to emulate it on a computer. Yeah. Which is funny because the rabbit is actually emulating things. It's a virtual machine. It's just rabbits all the way down. I'm sure this image will show up in B-roll when I give it to Adam.

1:26:57But I just sent you guys a picture of a 70 millimeter film reel next to the Palm Pilot emulator. And it is just awesome. That's so amazing. On an iPad. Yeah, they're emulating the Palm Pilot on an old iPad on the wall. that's just a very poorly cut out Palm Pilot it's so funny we love to see it also shout out to IMAX because they are finally making a new IMAX camera for the first time since like the 1970s because they've been licensing the IMAX sensors and stuff to RE and folks I think we don't have the IMAX cert but you can get an IMAX cert vRaptor yeah I believe there are only nine IMAX film cameras and they were all made in the 1970s and they're now finally making a brand new one that is completely made of carbon fiber composite.

1:27:52And it's got a bunch of touchscreen stuff on it, even though it shoots film, to show you what you're shooting digitally, but it is putting it on film. It's epic. Closed ecosystems are a mixed bag and can really result in some funky bad times. But I love IMAX. i love i love the imax speakers are like the coolest looking speakers anyone has ever made right i think the imax like uh seat height specs are like perfect for watching movies yeah sorry we're a little bit down the rabbit hole yeah not that rabbit hole so speaking of well we already did that part speaking of videos uh new development as of this week tiktok banned not not yet exactly yeah so the headline never eat to jail the headline is that the bill was signed for bite dance to have to divest and not own all of tiktok and so i guess that means it's going to be up for sale as of january 2025 we don't really know all the details yet but it seems like something we should keep an eye on yeah yeah that's kind of it basically so far Yeah, they have a year to sell the U.S.

1:29:04wing to another U.S. company. Otherwise, they are banned. Yeah. And it went through Congress, the House, and Biden. Got signed. Yeah, got signed. So we'll see what happens, I guess. Now we've got to wait a year. I have one last headline I want to go through with you guys. Okay. This is fascinating to me. I just want you to know in the document it says electric G-Wagoo. That's what I wrote. Okay. Did I stutter? Did I start? The new G-Wagoo. The electric G-Wagon was announced, and it goes on sale late 2024. Goes on sale. And I just want you guys to listen to the specs, because you know what a G-Wagon is, right?

1:29:45You've seen the square Mercedes Jeep. Unfortunately. You know, it's iconic. It's a bit of a fashion icon. It's a status symbol. Yeah. They're making an electric one, finally. And I've been on my high horse about vehicles that should go electric. this is the spec sheet of the electric g-wagon it will start at 180 000 it has quad motors and 116 kilowatt hour battery it will do 0 to 60 in 4.7 seconds it will have a max range of 250 miles epa rated and it only charges at 200 kilowatts i read that spec sheet and i immediately thought i think this might be the most inefficient ev i've ever seen on paper only short of the hummer ev the hummer ev is just we put 220 kilowatt hours of battery in there so it should be fine and it eventually pans out and goes like almost 300 miles whatever but it also does zero to 60 in like three seconds flat because it's like a ridiculous amount of power yeah it's like a thousand horsepower they managed to do quad motors in this thing but only for zero to 60 in 4.7 seconds that seems really slow seems it's not slow but it's like it's quad motors i think comparatively we regularly see dual motor vehicles doing 2.9s and 3.5s and yeah i don't know i saw quad motor it does off wheel off-roading is that is it are they less powerful motors but with better individual control to each wheel for stuff like that so yeah they're definitely less powerful motors okay they will definitely also have individual control of each wheel like every other quad motor vehicle but not any better or worse like the quad motor r1t rivian's r1t yeah quad motor for all the same reasons individual control of each wheel better off-roading capabilities individualized traction control torque vectoring all that stuff is still true it's just these are just super inefficient weak motors for some reason and also only 250 miles of range so it's not like these are super powerful but don't go very far they're both not powerful and not efficient but it has the thing that everyone buying a G-Wagon wants shiny logo is that it's a G-Wagon it just looks like a G-Wagon it makes noises that sound kind of like a gas G-Wagon I have a question why is there a humane AI pin on the back of it a giant ai pin that's kind of funny the tire cover just looks like a blue a blue ai pin would look pretty sweet yeah i see a nice color yeah storage in there it is a nice storage or the tire it's a spare tire it's not even as no it's electronic uh go to two minutes 45 seconds it's uh it's your charger also eight minute twitter video huge hell it says delivery late this year later this year yeah that's kind of crazy yeah you too could have a 180 000 250 mile range ev if you really wanted to do you know how many rabbits i could buy with that so many um i could do i could ask the rabbit there are some genuinely interesting like really good off-roading features which is hilarious because nobody who buys a g-wagon actually off-roads it but hey it's electric so it has that capability now cool um but hey there you go it's 180 180 grand for this nice cool all right cool cool cool cool where's my$100 refundable reservation I bet you can I bet that's a thing anyway I think that's about it for this week we talked about a lot of stuff we talked about the rabbit we have a bunch more to talk about with this and of course recalls iPads and software updates but we have one more thing to talk about

1:33:27trivia

1:33:30no your app didn't pause unless you have the skip silence. Somebody definitely has the skip silence thing and has no idea what's going on. Yeah. I was going to say you just said it like the humane and rabbit say things out loud. Firing up the rabbit. All right. I'm at half battery, by the way. Half? Half. I'm at... I think the rabbit has to hear Ellis, though, if you want to use it. I think I'm going to treat it like my personal assistant. I'm going to rephrase the question. But what if I want to get the answer right? You have to write down the entire question. the entire answer it says? I can't.

1:34:06There's no way I can do that. It's going to give me a long answer. I know it. The more we've been using it, I kind of think it's semi-repeating the question to give itself more time. I wouldn't be shocked. Yeah. Sorry, Alice. I know it has perplexity AI access, but I don't know. It's like ChatGPT or OpenAI. It's like a more information, it's more accuracy focused than like open ai is my laptop is on its dying breath of battery all right okay we get the hint you don't need your laptop for trivia i just want to say you know the dictionary definition of perplexity is one's inability to understand complicated ideas sounds like so why would they name it that then i don't really understand unless maybe i'm wrong about that but i'm pretty sure if you look in the dictionary for perplexity it is the yeah actually and the quality of being perplexed inability to deal with or understand something complicated oof so it sounds like a lot of large language uh but question number one yeah calculator for the ipad it's coming supposedly another app that we had to wait forever for on the iPad was the weather app.

1:35:22So I want you to tell me how late in the iPad's lifespan in years did the weather app come out?

1:35:34When did the first iPad come out? And when did the weather app for iPad come out? This feels a little bit like cheating. Well, it's going to be in the mic. Yeah, I feel like... The first iPad was released in 2010. Wait. But it did not have an official weather app from Apple until the release of iPados. 16 on October 24th, 2022. The weather app was made available on more devices across the Apple ecosystem. I guess this is cheap. IPados 16 and Mac OS Ventura. Before the release of iPados. It's cut off too late. Well, now I definitely got it wrong. Okay. Yeah, I said 11. I said 10. Because I thought it was 2021 that it came out.

1:36:17Also realizing that I did the math completely wrong. I did 12. Yeah, well. Oh, that was wrong also? No, no, 12 is correct. Oh. Sorry, I got a little trigger happy with the wrong button. Okay, I knew it came out in 2010, but I thought that the weather app came out in 2021, but I guess it was 2022. I thought it came out in 2023, and I just did my math completely wrong. Oh, actually. I was right on the 2010, and then I was just like, oh, it probably came out last year because we said it was recent, and I just mathed wrong. I mathed wrong too because I was like, oh that came out two years ago and I thought it was 2023 this year so I thought it was 2021 that it came out so I got it right but I got it wrong yeah okay how do we feel?

1:36:58I feel like the rabbit thing didn't you just asked it the questions yeah I don't know about a point on that one I'm going to give you the point Marques but in the future if we're consulting AI I think you have to ask it the hard question yeah ask it what I asked you and it needs to answer what you put down on the thing not the here's two answers that you get to do the so you prefer if i don't have to do any deduction you want me to get only the answer to the trivia i think rabbit would prefer that let me just try rabbit was trying that let me just try that real quick how many years was it between the release of the original ipad and the ipad's first weather app.

1:37:40I think even that is an easier version of that. That's what Alice has. It was a logger. It's the gist. It should tell me a number in years. Unless it just doesn't answer. For some reason, once in a while, it just doesn't even look to try. I'm going to try again. How many years was it between the release of the first iPad and the iPad's first weather app? Looking it up now. There you go. The first iPad was released on April 3, 2010. The first version of iPadOS, iPadOS 13, was released on September 24, 2019. Therefore, it was approximately 9 years and 5 months between the release of the first iPad and the release of iPadOS 13.

1:38:26The question asks about the release of iPadOS 16, but the search results do not provide enough information to determine how many years it has been since the release of the first iPad. However, we can determine that it has been more than nine years and five months since the release of the first iPad. That's true. Therefore, the answer to the question is it has been more than nine years and five months since the release of the first iPad. Do I take your point away? I think you should take two points away. You should take a point away. It used deductive reasoning. pretty good deductive reasoning the problem was is that when you asked it the two questions it knew exactly what they were so it can figure it out it just did not figure it out through the yeah yeah you should take his point away and i i think because i said i did set the rule delta it's whatever the pin says not what you did you know the answer to that question anyways um i think i was gonna say it came out in 2023 so but i also thought 2011 for the ipad so i would have said 12 anyway but with the wrong reasoning we all have the wrong yeah we all have the wrong No, I was just wrong.

1:39:29I was wrong and my fault. I got it right. I just thought it was 2023 right now. That was my problem. A lot of cope coming from the house. Oh, I just got it wrong. But something you will also have to cope for is another question about calculators. Specifically, the original iOS calculator from iPhone 1 was based on a classic calculator from 1977. I'm looking for two pieces of information here. One, the name of the legendary German housewares company that made this calculator. And two, the name of the designer of this calculator who shares a name with a famous tech journalist.

1:40:18I really hope the name's just like David. It's Marquez.

1:40:26John I do want to try I do want to try asking the rabbit this question after this alright let's turn them around oh wow Marquez why don't you go first I thought that it was Texas Instruments which is definitely not what country did you say? German yeah I didn't think about it I was just about to say Marquez no s*** Texas and then I said Walt because I don't think there's that many famous tech journalists so I thought you were talking about Walt. I'm assuming David got it right so I'll go next. I said Schick and Walt. Alas, David I said Braun. Braun is the company because they make very cool clocks by the way and calculators.

1:41:10I didn't know that. And Dieter Rams. Dieter Rams is the designer. I have a bone to pick with this question. Dieter Mossberg is the journalist. oh yeah wait Dieter is not a tech journalist Dieter Bone oh not anymore he is not a tech journalist oh give me a break hold on let's ask Rabbit is the issue because he used to be a tech journalist he was but when you said famous tech journalist I was like wow that really narrows it down yeah but if you're a basketball player and you're retired you're still a famous basketball player you can't say Shaq isn't a famous basketball player you don't move to a different job Shaq is a broadcaster Yeah, but he's not a famous Google employee now.

1:41:53Okay. All right. Well, okay. So how do I phrase this question? The first one is who designed the first iPad calculator? Yeah. I would just ask it. Who designed the calculator that the iPhone calculator was based on? Got it. Wake it up. Who designed the calculator that the first iPhone's calculator app was based on? the screen blacked out and it said initializing it okay it has to be connected to the wi-fi which it only reconnects when you turn the screen back on amazing yeah who designed the calculator that the original ipad's who designed the calculator that the original iphone's calculator app was based on.

1:42:43Searching now. Uh-huh. The original iPhone's calculator app was based on the design of the 1977 Braun ET44 and ET66 calculators. Nice. That's pretty good. These calculators were known for their sleek and minimalist design, which influenced the look and feel of the iPhone's calculator app. The design of the Braun calculators was a tribute to Dieter Rams, a renowned industrial designer who worked for braun killer i didn't even ask that app was designed to be a visual and functional homage to these iconic calculators you said who designed it i said who designed right okay yeah yeah so the name the calculators and the designer that's like a pretty good answer to a pretty complex question yeah no i was impressed perplexity but but this is not the end of trivia today guys because YouTube commenters have been relentlessly asking for us to do this.

1:43:40So without further ado, I'm going to welcome a very special trivia guest. Her name is Maria. And she just walked away.

1:43:56Nice. I'm back. Okay. So today I don't have a crawfish question for you, but since you were already talking about the new YouTube layout, we do have a YouTube question for you if you're prepared. So YouTube's original 2005 video player page had four tabs at the top of the screen. Home, watch videos, upload videos, and what?

1:44:27It's concerning me that no one's writing. Sorry, I forgot we had to do that.

1:44:37I wasn't alive We should ask the rabbit afterwards Watch videos It was home, watch videos, upload videos And what I'm kind of being a smartass in this one But I'm definitely wrong Alright, what do you all say Alright, David said account Andrew said sign out Why would they want you to leave It's like the lock I don't know Don't allow them to leave Lock them in Once you're signed in you can't sign out And then what did Mark else say I can't see Favorites And you're all wrong Is it community or something Wait wait can we ask the rabbit pick I gotta try that There were four tabs Remember how last week I was like I don't do trick questions I keep it straight This was a little bit of a trick question didn't you do a trick question last week no i need everyone to be quiet so i can talk to my assistant oh sorry sorry sorry what were the four original tabs across the top of youtube.com in 2005 searching now the original tabs across the top of youtube.com in 2005 were one home two Two, browse.

1:45:56Three, videos. Four, account. I like how we were all, hey, account. These tabs provided users with easy access to their homepage, video browsing options, video library, and account management settings. Account. So, Rabbit was wrong, but it was sort of like 25 % wrong. The trick of this year's question was the keyword being original. YouTube launched in February of 2005 with those four tabs. In fall of 2005, towards the end of the year, they changed the update to something much closer resembling what Marques described. This is also when they changed the slogan from upload, tag, and share your videos worldwide to broadcast yourself.

1:46:49Wasn't YouTube also originally a dating service? Yes. That's why it launched on Valentine's Day. Yeah. Because you're supposed to upload videos about why you should date me. Video profile. I. Wait, so what's the tab? I was reading a lot about early YouTube and I did not find a single source. And I also have first month screenshots of YouTube that don't say that anywhere. So that might be a little bit of an urban legend-y type beat. I've heard that many times from Googlers. oh oh oh that yeah right totally yeah what's the answer i don't know no it's invite friends how's that a trick question uh because when you look at a lot of original youtube stuff a lot of people refer to the fall 2005 redesign as the original player because it stuck well in 2006 but i wanted the original 2005 fake fans yeah i'm asking gemini if youtube is a dating site if it was a dating site please let me know i will ask youtube was launched on valentine's day 2005 the website was originally intended to be an online dating site with users uploading videos about themselves and what they were looking for in a partner the slogan was tune in hook up on april 23rd 2005 the first video was a clip of him so that means there were no uploads between february and april i thought the first upload was me at the zoo it was in april four minutes four months after the site came out i would definitely so nobody uploaded any dating videos for four months and then they pivoted that was loud i don't think you could hear that wait so was me at the zoo supposed to be like check out how hot i am at the zoo i think that was supposed to be an example adventurous because that was by one of the founders right but that was supposed to be an example of here is like a video of yourself like on tinder you can have like pictures of yourself i think this is supposed to be like hi my name is and here i am doing something interesting that's exactly what i'm saying so i just want to say that uh gemini also got it wrong but in a different way it says videos channels subscriptions community it does say what tabs likely were oh likely that's exactly what i asked gemini i asked you for an answer and i wanted you to tell me what it might be probably yeah how old am i you're probably around i don't know 27 29 anywhere from 15 to 64 well these are pretty tough questions but we did our best and i think some points were awarded there's some scoreboard somewhere and the points will let adam be the final decision on if he actually gives you that point exactly adam should Should I get the point that I answered correctly or not?

1:49:36Hey, Adam, should I get the non-point of not answering Dieter because he's not a tech journalist? Up to you. Maybe the last question. Is Shaq not a basketball player? We'll see. Nevertheless. But before you sign out, I should read the score because Adam always does do that. And I forgot. So, Marquez, you are right in the middle of the pack. In the mix. With six. David, you are also right in the middle of the pack with six. Andrew screaming ahead of the competition lights a blaze seven points wait really staring into the eclipse I thought I was two behind Andrew and he didn't get any points this time and you got one point no I got two I got Dieter Rams and Brock oh you did get two thank you David I forgot you about both those questions meaning uh oh wait oh wrong one sorry yeah you almost had eight points there that was assuming Marquez didn't get the points or else we would all be tired is that assuming he did or didn't get the point as of right now I have Marquez not getting the point with six however we're sending the review to New York to make the final since Adam is in Brooklyn right now if you are still watching this episode thank you because you should have clicked out of this comment below if you prefer rotisserie chickens in a bag or plastic container but in the meantime Andrew Waveform was produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Rovin and Mariah Zeng today.

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1:51:25yeah i'm gonna talk about content aware compression schemes for cloud gaming nice I mean you stole my idea but