The Rabbit R1 is Just an App??

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1:34Yo, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of The Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. And today we've got a mix of stories. It's kind of a, it's one of those weeks where a bunch of little stuff, well, a bunch of medium-sized stuff happened. Medium all over the place. Yeah. A bunch of very unrelated the tangents this week are going to be off the chain a medium rare week yeah from anywhere from uh the r1 reviews being out uh sorry i just processed your joke solid um tesla cutting their supercharger team out of nowhere we got some headphones to talk about it's a good time i can't wait to hear the segues this week yeah it's gonna be fun speaking of segues but first what do you remember do you remember that bird app social media we were talking about twitter a while ago the other one the better one bird buddy bird buddy they sent us one and I installed it do you have birds I got birds boy do you have a oh that one's cool do you have like a cool variety I have like an something I've only had they so it's really cool so these are birds that are in my front yard you see that beak it says the name of the bird if a new species comes up like if i go back when these were new oh this blue jay is awesome and you get video of them too eating the seeds that's just a blue jays tail feather um yeah it's pretty awesome and it's just like social media with birds yeah and i can share this to everybody i can pick which postcards i want to post but yeah cardinals uh house finch was the craziest one so far yeah those are the only three i've gotten so far but lots of them and this blue jay picture is awesome that's pretty hard just eating a seed album cover album new waveform thumbnail have you gotten anything that's not a bird yet not yet okay squirrel it was funny it said it would take a couple weeks before they might trust the bird feeder but they were there like day two tell tim to uh put that blue jay in the thumbnail.

3:41In the thumbnail, just behind one of our heads like it's one of the other hosts. No one's going to know why. That would be awesome. But yeah, this app's pretty awesome. The bird feeder's pretty cool. It's a little pricey, but... Do you get a notification every time a bird shows up? You can change how you want it. So mine is if it's just happening, it'll be like, quick, you can watch this bird live. And then at the end of the day, it'll be like, you had X amount of birds show up and these many different species. And then you can do a recap of all the ones that came. How's the solar roof? Do you have have to recharge it i have not had to recharge it yet my only gripe right now is i think i need to move it closer to my house because the wi-fi connection seems like it's going out a little which isn't that's fault and 4k or 1080p footage is locked behind a bird buddy pro account oh which wait they only give you 4k so 720 i think it's 720 yeah it's pretty solid and i guess you're just looking at birds, so maybe I don't need high res of it.

4:38You need 1080. I need a 4K, baby. What are you talking about? How much is it? I don't know. I don't feel like paying for it. Yeah, I wouldn't either. That's fair. But there's some people out there who might. I think I can also send all of you guys links to join and watch this bird feeder if you want. The fact that you haven't done that already. I did, and nobody listened in Slack. You did? Where? You were on vacation. I'll send it again. But I'm pretty sure I sent an invite code. to everyone in Slack. You can only have two people. So we'll just have to do... So it's going to be the first two. We'll have to do just a bird iPad in this office for anyone who wants to watch.

5:17Yes, that's a good idea. Big brain. It's like the emulating the palm tree, but putting a bird... Wait, did it pick me up mowing the lawn the other day? Lowing the lawn? I don't think it'll grab people. It will grab squirrels, though, and then it'll say bird-type squirrel. okay i can't wait for that to happen nice nice yeah that's the bird buddy app cool that's fun speaking of birds really quick oh i was doing some research on nikon because we were talking about them a lot recently turns out they've been kind of blowing up in the last couple of years like their sales have gone way up and remember that thought keep going okay and a big reason is because people are getting really into birding right now yeah yeah because it's awesome i love that for humanity yeah and i was talking to someone and they were like yeah people are probably getting into birding because it's like the last thing that's kind of hard to shoot because birds move really fast and you have to like get the midair and like it's very it's pretty difficult to wildlife photography is fun and super difficult especially like when you're used to taking video and portraits like in a controlled space and then you get zero control over it you're like it's like sports photography but smaller subjects yeah yeah and in sports photography they're running in a circle over and over again.

6:31In a confined rectangle. Yeah, with wildlife, you're like, can you go a little closer to that tree? My framing is just not set up here. Look at me, but don't eat me. Yeah, right, exactly. Wait, what did I hold the thought about with Nikon? So you said it's been blowing up recently? Speaking of blowing up... I knew where that was going. Tesla laid off... They just blew up their entire supercharger team. It's just gone. Specifically, it seems like Elon just did it one day wait they shut down the superchargers no no they laid off laid off the entire supercharger team now for those unfamiliar tesla superchargers pretty important part of tesla right um for when we talk about electric cars almost every time we talk about tesla's advantage we talk about the supercharger network which is if you need to charge this car on a road trip somewhere the only reliable consistently reliable way to do that from our own experience for years has been the supercharger network to the point where one by one over the past few months basically every ev maker that ships cars to america is going to be switching their port or shipping adapters to the nacs port to see to use tesla supercharger network because it's such a big selling point here so all that being said tesla very suddenly laying off the entire supercharger team which includes all of the permitting all of the site maintenance all of the uh future planning and basically just shutting down growth of the supercharger network like nipping it right on on that day over 500 people yeah seems like a pretty bold move yeah um i think everyone sort of assumes that it's for cost cutting and you know tesla stock price is doing one thing and we want their you know profits to do the other thing.

8:23And so, you know, there's a lot going on and pretty crazy ruthless business decisions get made by this guy all the time. So yeah, the supercharger team is the latest victim, completely gone. I don't know. How do we feel like this is gonna go? Yeah, it's kind of wild because like you said, everyone is moving to NACS and that layoff included Rebecca Tenushi, who was the senior director of EV charging and was the person that pretty much like handled all of the deals convincing all of the other companies to switch to NACS. So they kind of finished doing that and then now the entire team is out. And there were a bunch of employees that literally said they were breaking ground on new locations and then they just got the news and all of a sudden they just have to stop.

9:07Yeah, so it seems like at some point we're going to feel the effects of it and I think it will be, well, okay. So there was an Elon tweet about how, oh, we're stopping growth and we're focusing on just maintenance and uptime. Yeah, sorry. I was just going to say like that, my initial thought on this and i don't follow stock prices i don't know anything about business but like when i first saw this it felt like oh we built this crazy supercharging system everybody loves it it's the most reliable everybody's going to it now thanks for building it later like yeah it's easier to maintain something that you built already instead of building it but it seems like there's more of it yeah well except for the fact that the amount of cars using it is about to like 5x yes i don't think it's a good decision but my first thought was like it feels like they did it all and i feel like we see that in tech a lot it's like oh thanks for building this awesome software or something like that interesting yeah good luck building something somewhere else we have what we need now the peace of mind knowing that you're always going to have a supercharger nearby is so important to like ownership of an ev yeah yeah sorry to interrupt there's a lot of upcoming locations on the map where people are like i I can't wait for that one because then I can finally do this route.

10:16I can finally do this drive. Now it looks like those aren't going to happen. So yeah, that's a bummer for those. Yeah, he tweeted, Tesla still plans to grow the Supercharger network just at a slower pace for new locations and more focus on 100 % uptime and expansion of existing locations. So I don't know if that means just adding more stalls to existing locations. The uptime is already pretty dang good. They've had very good uptime historically. yeah i could see focusing on uptime like you said if it's going to be so many more people maybe there's higher opportunity of the uptime not being as good yeah and focus on that but even if that is the focus firing 500 people yeah and slowing the growth of the network because no matter how good the network is if we're talking about gas cars the network looks like crap yeah that's the so that's that's the two sides of that yeah it's like when you compare the tesla superdition network to gas cars it seems like they need to have a lot of growth to do but on the other side when you compare the supercharger network to everyone else no longer needing to build up their network because they all just signed on to do nacs it's like yeah we won no one else is gonna come close to the tesla supercharger network no need to build it up anymore yeah it it feels like when we're talking about like even just tesla or rivian in vehicle software you're like this is the best in vehicle software of any car and you're like how is it to an ipad it's like well it's terrible yeah so like yeah there's still so much room for growth here Did you guys read that story a couple weeks ago about the, I think it was an F-150 Lightning, no, it was a Rivian owner that charged his car at a supercharger.

11:50And it was like right after he got his adapter. And he had a Tesla owner like call the cops on him because he was like, it is illegal for you to do this. You cannot be doing this. And he's like, bro, no, they opened it up. And he's like, no, this is only for Tesla users. A little culty, a little weird. Okay. yeah the problem is the signs still say tesla charging only that's true oh do they yeah i've never noticed all the signs of supercharger have a big t and it says tesla supercharger supercharging only which they obviously mean just because don't park here and take up a spot right but previously it was only tesla that's very funny yeah it's also hilarious that person called the cops i know the biggest overreaction ever oh yeah yeah did you also see uh rivian has decided to open up their their adventure network oh all evs all five of them yeah everyone so i mean they don't have a ton of chargers obviously but they do plan on switching to and updating with necs and allowing everyone to charge on their adventure network as well well maybe half of these engineers will go to rivian and start expanding the rivian supercharger i wonder how much capital and how big of a head start tesla's network has over a realistic competitor to like make it i feel like insane amount like even if you start building a secondary nacs network today i guess you don't have to start you could just be electri-america and just start like switching them all to nacs and building a ton more could that realistically be the like standard of uptime someday i don't know no it's very difficult despite the head start if there were ever a time to want to try and chip away at that head start it's when they fire 500 people who built that head start yeah so yeah who knows yeah all right i'm working on it hold on too late wait you don't have we were working on a segue yeah oh but i mean this is a tough i've got one this is it you do you have one i'm willing to hear it speaking of what could be happening on the horizon with things like the tesla supercharger network but also meta meta just started started licensing the horizon os that it uses on its quest to third parties.

13:59Yeah. Yeah, they did. I find this really funny because I don't know if you guys remember back when Microsoft was trying to make Windows AR headsets and they open sourced it. So Dell made a headset. It was mixed reality. It was Windows mixed reality. Dell made a headset. Lenovo made a headset. Asus made a headset. It was like 2016 or 2017 when the Quest was first starting to take off like oculus connect one or two so windows was like we got to get in on this and they made like paint 3d and all of these 3d applications that sounds awesome i mean it was pretty cool 3d yeah so they basically just like wanted you to be able to use windows in mixed reality and so all of these third parties made a bunch of hardware to be able to use with it nobody bought it and then microsoft didn't support it they didn't keep it up like at all they just didn't keep updating it at all.

14:57They eventually just gave up. And this is kind of the playbook, it seems like. Very Google of them. Yeah, except like Google at least makes like the underlying stuff sometimes. Microsoft basically didn't sell HoloLens to regular people, so they didn't have a first party headset. So they just relied on third parties to make the headsets that would work with Windows Mixed Reality. And now Meta decided that it's going to license Horizon OS. So now if you're Lenovo or Dell or asus you can just build basically a quest for by running your own hardware um vision pro yeah they want to be they want to be android right they're all metas now all about open source and they're all about like i guess we can't build the metaverse by ourselves and all this stuff um they're also making a limited run gaming focused quest with xbox just for Xbox?

15:54That makes a ton of sense. They're trying to... I see what that's going to be. PlayStation has PlayStation VR. It's not the most popular, but Xbox is going to want to do that eventually. Why wouldn't Meta be the one that could make money off of that? That makes too much sense, honestly. Right, right. So they can just license... Because they've already built out this OS. They put so much money into it. You might as well just license it out. Because again, if there's more VR adoption, that's just better for Meta. in like every capacity yeah they want to be the foundation of a lot of this stuff right that checks out yeah um they're also pitching it to other oems as a headset you can carry with you and instantly expand your workspace on the go so basically the vision pro multiple monitor kind of idea yeah i just yeah i don't know i like still understand all of the like bigger workspace thing but i just still see vr as fun immersive games like yeah this weekend uh claire's friends came over and brought their kids and i pulled out the quest 2 that we had and i just watched them have the best time until literally the battery died yeah it's good for games watching people do that is so cool and fun and like experiencing that yeah yeah watching someone try beat saber for the first time greatest game universally one of the most fun things yeah Yeah.

17:13Also, the Quest 3 just got an update I just found really funny and now has the ability to view immersive panoramic images. Nice. Because I feel like Zuck is just like, what can the Vision Pro do that we can't do? Lying down mode. Let's go. Panoramic images. Let's go. Legs, legs, legs. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Pump the brakes, Marcus. We'll get there. We'll get there. So anyway, I just found that fun. It's just a very specific thing that the Vision Pro was able to do that the Quest couldn't do. and I'm sure that like Zuck is happy about Vision Pro just because like oh yeah that's a good idea let's just add that and they can say we they can now get closer and closer to saying we offer everything Vision Pro offers for $500 right you know so yep we'll see how that evolves in the future can't be mad at that VR who's wearing the VR headset and the thumbnail for this week I think it's you you brought it up can I just say on vacation i took the meta glasses with me oh and they were sick the meta ray band do you have like a bunch of sick first person absolutely and they're freaking awesome and i am now a believer of the glasses form factor what did you bring the sunglasses or the clear yes so you only wore them outside then or do you wear your sunglasses inside no i wore them outside because i'm not cool enough to wear them inside but i'm imagining the like 7 p.m dinner reservation and like the food comes down it's like hold on honey wait wait put your sunglasses on and just like look stare at the food for a minute no i think we were talking about it yesterday but there's not a lot of fun things i do inside that i want to record first person things of outside though doing a lot of cool stuff see i want to borrow one because when lane first wakes up she is like the smiliest baby ever but if she sees a phone she like transfixes to it and kind of like shuts down so i want to put them on just when I pick her up in the morning because it's adorable.

19:08That's interesting. I wonder how she would react if I had sunglasses on as I woke her up at 7 o 'clock in the morning. Personally, I would be terrified if I woke up at 7 and you were there with sunglasses. Just hovering over the crib. My sleep paralysis demon. I fundamentally think that adding new features to existing things that we already use in our everyday life is the best way to get people into new platforms. so yeah i've seen a ton of people outside in manhattan with meta quest i've seen them meta ray-bans i've seen them out in the wild too someone in the building has them yeah i've not seen in the wild yet really yeah not that i've noticed which maybe that's a good thing maybe i have seen them and just didn't notice maybe they're recording you and you just damn yeah they also just uh opened up the multi multi-modal feature to everybody like uh late last week.

19:59Right, right. So you can go look and tell me. Yeah. Blah, blah, blah. Yeah. And what is this? Do everything the rabbit can do. And what is this? When was the Brooklyn Bridge made? What is this business I'm standing in front of? Sir, that's a Wendy's. That's a water. Well, we should take a quick break. We dragged that one on. We have some quick rabbit final thoughts coming up and some other stuff with YouTube. But first, we should do trivia. We should do that. Trivia. All right. First question. Do you guys want... I'll give you the option because I have two options here. Okay. Do you guys want a question about birds or a question about Microsoft?

20:41Can you do a question with both? No. I ordinarily am. I vote bird. I'm all for the tech questions, but... You're the tiebreaker. Interesting. Oh, you have one bird, one Microsoft? Yeah. Oh. I think we both know what we have a better chance at. birds let's go birds let's go alright so we were talking about the bird buddy earlier so let's talk birds this bird's scientific name is cyanocida cristata cyanocida what is wait cristata like frittata tostata the f*** is a cristata What is the common name of said bird? I don't know. Ask me the Microsoft question. Twitter? Is it Twitter bird? It's the Twitter bird.

21:37The Twitterverse? Yeah, let's do the Microsoft question. Why not? You want both? I think we've all just realized we should try. Well, we're still trying the bird one, but we can also do the Microsoft one. You guys are going to hate yourself when you learn the answer to that. Okay. The Microsoft one. We're still figuring it out. what does the x in xbox stand for experience extra exercise exercise box it just looks cool man yeah i think it looks cool that's the elon approach it stands for x yeah x x is cool right we'll be right back

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24:53alright, welcome back we have at least a little bit of updated thoughts on the Rabbit R1 yeah, I hope I'm bleeding your eyes yeah, I love that, that orange color is still so good okay, so the review came out, the video is up surprising amount of time spent color correcting every shot with orange in it to try to make it look with the way it actually does in real life. It still did. It doesn't at all. It's really hard. It's the brightest orange thing in any room that it's in. It like almost is visible in the dark. That's how, it's like a safety cone orange. It's like hard, yeah, safety cone. It's like a darker orange that is still wildly bright.

25:30Like almost hurt your eyes bright. It's impressive. I love it. It's impressive. It's this little AI in a box designed by Teenage Engineering made by a startup called Rabbit. And it has a camera, it has a speaker, it has a jog wheel, it has a screen. We talked about it a bit last week, and we compared it to the humane AI pin, talked about what it does, and sort of this, I was actually pondering last week in real time, like the state of reviewing these unfinished gadgets, and that did make it to the review. So you should watch the review. That'll be the link below the like button so you can check that out.

26:04Our updates are, one, there's an OTA update for this thing. The first one, which, pretty classic, as soon as you're done reviewing. Literally. interesting for it. It always happens. I feel like it always happens and then there's always comments like, they should have just waited for the review. We didn't know about that. Either the review should have waited for the OTA or the product should have shipped with this giant fix. This huge fix, yeah. One or the other, maybe. So the fix mostly seems to improve standby battery life. Yes. From your experience, how has it actually worked? Yeah, actually, surprisingly.

26:37They said that there was a core bug that they squashed, which I'm not really sure why they didn't do that before they shipped the device. Didn't they claim it's like 5X better battery life? Yes, which is kind of true because - 5X? Yeah, because previously it's like, if I didn't charge it the next day, it would be dead, even if I didn't use it once. 100%. Now, yesterday at around 4 p.m., I unplugged it at around 97%, and I haven't used it once today, but it's still at 72. That's actually - That's way better than it used to be. Yeah, at least it's not dead every time you pick it up now. We were having this conversation yesterday when the news came out about the 5X battery life update, and David and I were saying, like, that is such a wild number that either there's no way it does that good, or what did you mess up in the first place that you can 5X something?

27:34Yeah, yeah. You don't usually see software updates doing 5X improvement of anything. No, like 10, 20 % or something, Like not 500%. Yeah. Wow. Scroll wheel still sucks. Well, the other thing that they actually changed the scroll wheel acceleration. Yeah. Because a lot of people were talking about it. So now it moves a lot faster. It still doesn't look. It's still not quite there. But last time it was like a full thing would move like one and a half. Now it moves. Now it moves like three. The acceleration feels a lot better. It could still be even more fine tuned, but it's a lot better. I still think you need a way to get home without scrolling all the way to the top and clicking home.

28:13Like a gesture. Yeah. Almost like a swipe. If only screens. If only there's room. So Dave2D, he also did a review of the rabbit and he had this section in his video. I texted him after because I literally, we almost did this in a humane video. In this rabbit review, maybe we'll just play the clip. So if I had to redesign this thing, this is what I would do. First, I'd get rid of the scroll wheel completely. It's cute, but it's just not useful enough to me. And then now, probably just move the camera on top of the bezel. There's a little bit of room there. And then maybe add some hardware volume buttons.

28:46It is a speech-based device. And you might as well extend the screen because, you know, you got a little bit of room down there. And, oh, look, it's a phone. Like the thing you already have in your pocket. I literally had the exact same thing. I removed it from the video, but it was a section of the Humane AI pin review, which is, okay, how would I improve this thing that they made? okay number one the battery life sucks so maybe just a way bigger battery the camera's bad so you have a bigger cameras uh the projector sucks so probably give it a screen instead and then like three or four steps later it's like oh i just made a phone i just invented the smartphone yeah so that that is still so very true about the big question these things have to answer which is why would i want one when i have a phone already yeah and they kind of don't really answer that for most people which is still true but at least the battery doesn't die overnight right anymore which is good i think it makes more sense on the rabbit one because the humane pin at least is like connected to you on the outside and different when this you still have to pull it out of your pocket so why is this not just an app well we'll get there but i just want to read the release notes for the update real quick so idle battery performance uh improved by up to 5x added time zone selection for r1 settings huge to correct yeah how is it not i can't believe it ships without time zone selection yeah and also now is on pacific time that's why yeah all of the real life yeah that's on the wrong pacific time because i asked it what time it was and it told me three hours before actual pacific time like when i reviewed it in the video you can see mine says it's 7 a.m but it's clearly noon in the studio and off camera we asked what time is it and And it said, it's 4 a.m.

30:29on the West Coast, which means it's 7 a.m. where you are. Which we're both wrong. So it's just like, yeah, both of those things are wrong. But at least you gave me some math to explain why you're thinking what you are. So yeah. Show your work. So it says there's now a time zone selection and it should auto select based on GPS location. So it has your GPS location. Well, it says made more aware of when to use GPS to query your location and understands how to leverage that information. Which is another part of the update. is a response to your tweet basically yeah it should hopefully stop saying i do not have access to your location right yeah so the confusing thing about that just to clarify is when that made it seem like it doesn't use gps but it does want to use it right but for some reason use it the language model just was telling you it didn't so that's what made it all seem really weird because a large language model is a prediction machine the large language model when you query it is like no no, I'm not because the language model is not using GPS.

31:24But because this has cellular, it knows your location. The physical hardware does know your location. And so the language model was like, no, I don't. Because technically the language model doesn't, but the hardware does. My fist didn't punch you. My brain punched you. This was just an example. But because it said it out loud like that, it made it sound like it was sneakily keeping track of you. Yeah, people have posted a lot of clips about this. like meta has meta does the exact same thing with the ray-bans people post clips about it yeah exact same thing anyway that was an update uh improved detection of server connections which is good because a lot of the times you'll just like unlock it and it'll be like connecting to server failed to connect to rabbit os and it's like cool i just can't use the device until i lock it and unlock it four more times just use it in offline mode yeah oh wait it does nothing um improved music playback ui so yeah that's thank god that's nice it's actually really i will say the couple of apps that it does have the music playback really annoying it's bad i could not get the uber app to work i connected my account it was logged in it was attached i said call me an uber to this place it said where would you like to call it from give me the location and then i did and it said okay calling an uber where would you like to call it from give me your location i said from here and and said okay where would you like to call it from so i just can't get that to work and just um i'm happy that there are some improvements i think i'll eat it now did you see quinn's tweet about ordering doordash yeah like didn't ask him what he wanted and then sent it home when he was at work yeah and he didn't get to like confirm any of those things automatically selected the highest tip yeah um okay improved reliability for bluetooth connectivity which i'm not sure anyone is using Bluetooth on it right now because at the end, like later down the line, if you use this as your main device, you'd want to be able to use Bluetooth on it.

33:20But right now, literally, nobody can use it as their main device. So that's, you know. Improve stability on meeting assistant slash recorder for longer durations. Sure. Improve the accuracy regarding time-related information during conversation. Nice. It doesn't do timers. I didn't know that. I thought it did. No, you know what the best part of it is? When you ask it to set a timer, instead of being like, just saying, I can't set a timer, it's like, I don't have the ability to set a timer. If you would like to track the time, you should stare at a clock. That's wild. If you would like to track the time, you can manually track the time by looking at a clock.

33:59Maybe I'm just hallucinating this like the rabbit would do, but I swore they took a shot at Humane for timers and like reminders um i don't know okay i could be totally wrong on that but i just assumed this had timers it is wild that two over a hundred dollar devices came out in the last month that can't set a timer well the ipad doesn't have a calculator so pick your point listen i i and we make fun of that just as much as it deserves to be made fun of so yeah fair fair for a while the home pod could only set one timer at a time yeah that's hilarious it was a huge update when they a while was like a decade was that that we live in an age of wonders I think so yeah we truly live in an age of wonders it's so funny because on my like home my nest home I'll have a timer and I'll be like oh this probably needs to be in the oven a little longer and you can just go like add 10 minutes to that timer and you can watch it just immediately do it and it's like that's kind of nice and there are somehow things in 2023 that can't even get close to doing it society if Instagram had an iPad app we can set multiple timers yeah that's something I would like my personal assistant to be able to do could you imagine hiring a personal assistant and being like remind me in five minutes and it's like I can't do that I can't do it man that's something that's not in my wheelhouse you might have to use your phone what are you even for that's all fun still for sale why can't you just download an app a timer app so interesting so yesterday Michal Rahman who you guys might know he used to work with x8 developers he's now freelance but mostly doing stuff with Android Authority we interviewed him for the cyanogen mod episode exactly sorry I didn't mean to I just should have just let you say that I apologize sandwiches there it is anyway I'm sorry Alice he texted me yesterday and he said dude you're not gonna believe this and he sent me a screenshot and it was the r1 logo on a pixel uh 6a and effectively the whole rabbit os r1 thing can run on an android phone because it's basically like the the thing that you interact with on the device is basically just an android app but it's the only thing you interact with so the apk that he was able to sideload onto his pickle 6a went through the whole setup process just like he would on the rabbit r1 he was able to it said like thanks for inserting your t-mobile sim card now you can do this blah blah blah all this stuff and he was able to query it ask it questions set it up on when he went on to rabbit hole it said you've got a rabbit r1 i think he set it up through the the launcher yeah like he set up his rabbit hole account on the pixel 6a yeah oh wow yeah so it's just very funny because this technically is just a phone because everyone says why shouldn't this be an app why isn't this just an app and the irony of this whole thing is it is it is it is an app that's crazy yeah and it's like but they they want us to know they want them being rabbit the lamb is not yeah of course cloud-based and it's right which no one was ever i'll just read the do you want me to just read there the official statement is we are aware there are some unofficial rabbit os app website emulators out there we understand the passion that people have to get a taste of our ai and lamb instead of waiting for the r1 to arrive that being said to clear any misunderstanding and set the record straight rabbit os and lamb run on the cloud with a very bespoke aosp and lower level firmware modifications therefore a local bootleg apk without the proper os and cloud end points won't be able to access our service.

37:58RabbitOS is customized for R1 and we do not support third-party clients. Using a bootlegged APK or web client carries significant risks. Malicious actors are known to publish bootlegged apps that steal your data. For this reason, we recommend users avoid using these bootleg RabbitOS apps. Yeah, I don't really know what he means by bootleg. Michelle was guessing that someone extracted the APK from their R1 and then distributed it. and like they were able to run Android apps on the R1 oh really? yeah they ran a bunch of different Android apps on the R1 which means whatever the OS the R1 is using locally is AOSP based which is fine they didn't actually they didn't like lie about anything nobody's trying to like gotcha rabbit right now I think just the funny kind of ironic thing about all of this is that everyone just keeps saying wise in this nap and it like is like the lamb is running in the cloud rabbit os is running in the cloud all this stuff but there is an aosp like build on the device that is running all that stuff and because you could port that to an android phone because it's android it could just be an app so the big question is just like why hardware yeah period question feels very much a business decision over anything other practical other than that.

39:26I think the pros here are if it was an app you have everything that it can do and this lamb in the future that does sound really cool. We all agreed large action model sounds really cool except imagine it with way better computer power computing power, better interactions better camera, pretty much better everything better screen, better battery life but then when you're a rabbit the better part of it is selling an app and marketing an app is so much harder than a bright shiny teenage engineered orange yeah this this developed an insane amount of hype you can tell that because every time we've talked about it on the podcast it gets like more views than anything else yeah so we'll talk about it next week also obviously um so yeah it's like you know nobody's trying to gotcha them it's not like they lied about anything it's just it's just kind of adds to all of the irony about how it definitely could be an app.

40:19Yeah. The interesting thing to me, too, is like if you take this statement and you assume it's true, right? Let's say that this is a bootlegged app, which I'm assuming what he means by that is that someone saw the popularity of Rabbit. They made some random APK app that simulates what it's like to be on Rabbit OS. Let's say that's true. OK, but then the device itself still runs AOSP, does it not? Yeah. Like that's what everyone is assuming. The device itself runs AOSP. That's what everyone is saying. But they seem to have a problem with us pointing it out i don't know i don't know why they're so defensive i think they're worried yeah sorry that's the part that confuses me sorry no yeah but give me your thoughts i think that they are worried that people will think like that nothing is running in the cloud and everything is local and that you could just run everything on the phone which is clearly not true that's not how google does it either you know like gemini ultra runs in the cloud on all these servers siri runs in the cloud when you query it it's like it's not like it's just gonna be all local but i think that they're worried that people think it is because if it all was then yeah you could just put it on a phone i saw a comment which was just obviously not great comment but it was saying like i don't get mark marquez really thinks these large action models could run on a phone it's like no he just thinks that the way it's running on the rabbit would run better on a phone because the rabbit is less powerful and all the cloud-based stuff is still going to work better as an app.

41:47It doesn't make all as much sense. Because it is an app. Because it's an app. Yeah, giving this thing better hardware would not make it worse. It'd be crazy if it did. Let's be real. If it did, that'd be a sweet... Spicy take, I know. So, I don't know. I just think it's funny. I'd buy a phone in that orange immediately. I don't even know what it would be. there was a lot of comments like that on the review that orange like yo that color though that that design which is the entire reason i got press i feel like that color needs to be the color of the like hats or scarves that celebrities wear when they don't want the paparazzi to take photos of them there's a lot it's straight up like broke quinn's quinn took a photo of it next to the humane pin and it was like artifacted because his computer or his um yeah phone's like camera just could not compute correctly what exposure it needed yeah the difference between like the side of it and the top of it or whatever as it reflects light both overwhelm the sensor so it just looks like it's a flat oversaturated orange stripe on your screen it's crazy it is impossible to get this on camera yeah the eclipse isn't gonna break your sensor the rabbit is yeah anyway wild i still want one i still kind of want one oh my gosh i want well here's the thing i want it and then i think about what will i do with this and i think nothing but it will look so cool on my desk oh my goodness i'm glad at least it doesn't die immediately i'm not a question you want one what were you going to do with it because imagine it's an app like would you how often would you open that app on your phone well that's what i'm saying because it's not an app i'm interested in it okay so they got you yeah i see their point like they got me because if it was an app it doesn't work so like what do you mean i wouldn't really use it when you mean like the actual functionality yeah the functionality is current oh you mean because it lies to you current how it is right now well and even just like the current large action models are only four apps and it's not great like yeah i still think there's a huge future in that and how it's working that's that's not what the consumer is getting yeah right yeah like eventually some point down the line if that thing works i would take it alongside my phone not instead of a phone but i 100 would take that alongside a phone instead of just an pocket instead of things like this because like think about this what if the rabbit could just be your assistant on your phone it could but you have a camera on your phone but you still carry around a camera i do yeah that's what i mean like exceedingly rare by the way yeah that's what i'm saying it's that kind of device to me like i feel like having that separated out of my phone, I would enjoy that.

44:22Yeah. I could see this being like a launcher. An Android launcher. Because there's a lot... What I was thinking is this is kind of like a dumb phone, you know? There's like that whole dumb phone trend that's going on right now. It's like, you can't use social media, and you can't do this, and you can't do that. It's not even a trend. Just people are talking about it. As if it is a trend. It's like the... I mean, like, I see what you mean. It could be similar to, like, the palm phone where it's like a secondary you keep your phone in your bag and then you have this like less intrusive like you're going on a hike.

44:54I totally get that. I think the thing that keeps striking me about like why this thing is useful is it's because it's an assistant and it has to be useful to you. And to be useful to you, you need it to know all the stuff about you, but because it's separate from your phone and doesn't connect to your phone at all, it doesn't know any of the things about you. And so you have to really dedicate yourself to like shoveling information into it to get anything out of it. Or they can just allow Google to input all my information and there it is if they partner with Google. The more I think about this and how we said before, like imagine if you actually hired an assistant and they couldn't do a timer.