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0:35All right, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. It's a busy one. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. And it's CES week. As of the time you're watching this, CES every January sort of kicks off the year. So we've got a lot of new things in the tech world to just ponder about and talk about. We're not there physically. We do have some people who are there on the ground, and we're going to talk to them as well. I'm looking forward to that. but we also have a bunch of the little stuff that we've seen that you guys have sent us there's also some new vision pro news an iphone falling out of a plane a rabbit ai keynote just a lot of stuff so we're gonna we're gonna talk about all of that also you we had a small adjustment correction from last week we were talking about the xiaomi su7 yeah and we said it had 1200 kilometers of range but well there was going to be a version supposedly in the future that had a long range that is a larger battery that had 1200 kilometers of range yeah and i guess it was actually a blog post talking about a potential different battery and a platform i guess rather than the specific su7 and that it would theoretically have 1200 kilometers of cltc range which also everything we talked about last week was cltc which is uh estimation by china's standards i believe and it is apparently far worse yeah for those who don't know there when you look at the mileage rating for a car there is a rating based on the government agency in that place and in the u.s we have the epa rating the environmental protection agency i guess right let me just double check i make sure it's the same epa but in europe they have wltp and that's different and that gets a different rated range for the same exact car and in china they have cltc and apparently cltc ranges are dramatically more generous um i'm sure it's not a coincidence that they uh they happily fed that number as the headlines everywhere but just so you know um a cltc range of 500 miles will probably not be the same as an epa range which is already generous which is also already hard to achieve so that's a little correction from last week and also very minor correction max rpm is 27 000 not 35 000 and the maximum horsepower is 673 not 668 oh cool so yeah xiaomi essentially didn't announce a car with a 1200 kilometer battery option they announced a car and then also announced a battery that could theoretically have a 1200 kilometer cltc range theoretically it says so it's not tied to a car in the fine print it literally says theoretically So there you go.

3:16The math, math. That's what it says. Lots of math. Good stuff. All right, where do we jump in first? There's so many stories to possibly talk about. I kind of just want to talk about the iPhone falling out of a plane and not being found in a backyard. Yeah. That's one of my favorite stories. And it also doesn't shock me somehow. Really? It fell from a plane. So it fell from a high place. Y 'all heard of terminal velocity? Marquez cracked his phone sitting on the ground falling out of his pocket. Yeah, but it landed in grass. That's the difference. It probably hit a bunch of trees. If I fell out of a plane and landed in grass, it wouldn't matter.

3:50You are not a flat, small piece of metal. Yeah, your terminal velocity is a little different from the phone. Yeah, apparently there was a Boeing plane that had this issue that was ignored for a couple flights. And then eventually one of the flights took off. so okay the basic story is there is an alaska airlines flight with a specific model of boeing plane that was there was an issue that was being ignored some i've read an article about some lights that the the flight attendants and crew were sort of ignoring for a while and then one day they took off yeah it's already a weird start one day they took off and uh they should have paid attention to the lights because the the seal of like the emergency door broke and the door just got ripped off the side of the plane while they were flying uh not great thankfully no one was hurt but some things were sucked out of the plane as they were flying and landing and there's this this whole map that you can look up of where the plane was flying and then where underneath the plane people found debris in their backyard that's crazy including a fully on still in airplane mode with half battery iphone that fell out of the plane and like landed in someone's backyard and It was still fine.

5:02I think it was the side of the road and the plug was in someone's backyard. Not that that matters all that much. But yeah, someone found it on the side of the road while looking for the plug. Also, I kept seeing the word plug and was trying to figure it out. And it's basically, I guess it's just what they call the temporary door. Or not temporary door, but the emergency door. So it was a hole up door that fell off of the plane. Yeah, there was a hole in the side of the plane. Wild. And yeah, someone found the phone, half battery, screen on, still working, airplane mode. pulled out of someone's hand.

5:31I think the cable was still plugged in and got pulled out of the wall or something. The charging cable is still attached in the bottom but ripped off from the actual cord. USB-C, baby. That's crazy. It's either a 14 or a 15, so they're not sure. So it could be lightning. I think they said it was a 14 Pro. I think they said it was a dynamic island, so they couldn't tell if it was 14 or 15. Wow, no tech reporters of going out and driving out there. We need answers. We need to get the full the full answers but yeah the there's a close-up of the bottom of the lightning yeah whatever port is just like ripped out of the bottom yeah imagine i don't want to imagine it but imagine being on the plane just scrolling through twitter or whatever they were doing and then it just gets sucked out of your hand out of the side of the plane honestly nightmare fuel this is like my worst fear this is definitely my worst fear terrifying we should have like a trigger warning before the beginning of this.

6:24All of those, that model of plane has been thoroughly investigated since then. A bunch of flights have been canceled with that plane. They're going to tighten all the bolts. We should be fine. We should be fine. No one was injured. No one was injured. Someone had their shirt ripped off, but that was wild. Amazingly, so no one was sitting in the seat right next to the door, and no one was pulled out of the plane, but the fact, see, I'm actually given confidence by this. The fact that the door can be pulled off the side of the plane, and they're still going to land it, and everyone's fine. Man, when I see those wings wobbling in the storm, I'm like, yeah, we're good.

6:54At least no one was sitting in the window seat. That could have been bad. Because they probably would have gotten sucked out. Even a seatbelt probably would have been fine there. Yeah, but how often do you take off your seatbelt immediately after? They're like, you can take off your seatbelt. Don't do it anymore. Now I'm staying on the whole time. Follow the rules. You sit next to that door. You should keep your seatbelt on. Yeah, that's crazy. Crazy story. But hey, a new phone story. Yeah, this is the drop test of all drop tests, I think. and also just like definitely goes to show you that breaking your phone is so much luck because you can drop your phone from two inches off the ground and shatter the screen or the back or you can drop it from a plane and it'll be fine it'll be fine whoever that case the case manufacturer of whatever that phone is needs to find out immediately did you see that stanley cup that was in the like car that caught on fire and it still had ice in it they made a huge marketing push with that oh this case manufacturer needs to hop on the same thing and be like we're the case that fell out of a plane and we're fine that's super funny that's a good ad i want them to repeat the test throw it out of a plane let me make sure it works the funniest thing about this too was that when they found the phone someone found it in like their backyard or something it was still unlocked and on and hadn't died yet yeah it felt like 6 000 feet so whatever that guy's screen out time was we probably had like a screen on for like five minutes and just stayed on well i don't think I don't think that he had any sort of screen lock on because I don't think they found it right away.

8:17I have a 10 minute screen off on my phone. Yeah. So if I leave my phone for 10 minutes, the screen will stay on for 10 minutes. Right. So he could have like a, you know, maybe five minute screen out and it'll still stay on for the duration of that fall. Yeah. That's hilarious. Good for them. All right. A little bit of Vision Pro news, actually. So Apple did announce the dates of Vision Pro pre-orders and availability in the U.S. i believe it's february 2nd for availability no yeah yeah and then when is the pre-order it's january 19th i think so if you are just itching to spend your 3500 at least now you have the dates in the u.s when you'll be able to do that something also that sort of got um surfaced from that is there's new media of the vision pro and the head strap looks a little bit different from the way did in the keynote a lot different there's essentially a new head strap yeah and i think i mean what's happening is apple announced the vision pro and shot all these videos and and revealed what it looks like so long ago that they've actually made improvements to it before it's shipping which is actually i think a good thing um and it appears now that there's an article saying that they're going to ship with two different head straps in the box is there that's confirmed or not confirmed but rumored now because the first thing it seems to be confirmed it's an article saying here's what comes in the box with vision oh really okay i didn't see that i saw them so mark german tweeted uh he it was this new head strap says old versus new head strap top design the idea of the new strap is seemingly so your head doesn't want to fall off after half an hour of use i think people will be surprised about the weight in the initial use yeah so there's there's one band that is just a solo knit the one that's like famously in all the videos where it's just around and then there's the other that's a two-piece which is one band behind your head and another part that goes over the top of your head so it's a little less all the weight on your face and it was originally marketed as you keep that thick knit one and then there was another piece that went over the top but this new version is as much smaller the straps are basically identical thin the one that goes behind looks like it goes down further on the back of your head assuming to create more leverage just to hold without and then also the one on top which looks far different and I know you said it's to make it feel better which I think is that but also I have a really hard time believing that that original knit they didn't know it was felt bad and was super heavy but I think it looks so much nicer that in marketing material it makes sense yeah I don't love that so I think Apple knew going in that this was a heavy headset but I think they aesthetically wanted a one-piece band and so their engineering solution was this really big flexible thing on the back of your head yeah and it still works but that headset is heavy yeah it's just really heavy for a vr headset because of all the metal and the extra screens and everything and i think they're finally just going you know we need it we need a two-piece it's kind of a bummer because i really i really liked the the mesh the thick mesh part of the headset yeah um and it was comfortable but it definitely after about half an hour of use started to feel really heavy and the two times that i used the vision pro i had to adjust it like on my face multiple times it kind of reminds me of airpods max airpods max are heavier than any other headphones that i'd regularly use and they have this pretty big band on the top that tries to sort of distribute the weight in a bigger way but after a while you kind of just you're wearing heavier headphones and you just notice that right i think it's going to be even more noticeable with this headset because as people have pointed out the immersion factor of a vr headset is where you don't feel like you're wearing anything you're just walking around in this new world and if this weight is like pulling down on your face like that's going to take away from immersion and if you're adjusting it like david said constantly that's tough that's kind of taking the defeating the whole purpose um yeah i don't think we're going to see this strap in any marketing though at all the other one looks so much better is so much more apple i think the headset looks way more generic with the new double strap they're showing They'll just show it from the front every time, so you can't tell.

12:21I think they'll show it with the old strap on and just one. Yeah. I think in all marketing. I wouldn't doubt if... Here's the question. At an Apple store, if it's there, which strap does it have? Do you have the strap that looks really good on the shelf for everyone, but then people put it on and notice that it's uncomfortable? Yeah, because in the box, you'll have the other one. Yeah, but if you're just trying it for your first time, is Apple going to have kind of like a VR station? Yes, they are. That makes sense. They're letting you, they're doing like a first come first serve basis thing where you show up and get in line and you can test it.

12:53HTC used to do this in Microsoft stores. The first time I ever used a Vive was in a Microsoft store. And they had so many materials that they would use to clean the device over and over again and like change the straps and change everything, every single fence that one would use it. but it's definitely gonna be interesting because uh exactly one week from today the day that you were all watching this on friday this that's when this thing goes on pre-order which is pretty wild it's still such a strange um timeline it's like a weird product release nobody no one has ever as far as i can tell don't say that shown footage of anyone wearing it outside of the commercials sorry like you can't order this without like there won't be reviews i don't think like before you can order it i feel like so many more i doubt before you can order it so that's yeah that's usually a red flag for us when you yeah yeah it goes live and there are no reviews and there's not even any footage of any human using it outside of like the headquarters it's kind of great that's kind of happening with is the iphone like that now though we get first impressions but true we don't get reviews anymore but but usually our review embargo is around the time it actually goes out right but even with this there's no impressions it's just like people talking about that time that they got to use it no one gets to use it on camera oh yeah it's just a little more restricted than everything else yeah yeah red flag it's also i can't remember the last time a big tech product has like come out earlier than everyone expected like this they said early 2023 but let's be real we all kind of expected that to be like end of q1 yeah what's the latest possible that qualifies as early 20 yeah yeah it's like literally the last minute like you said yeah we're talking about the the weird apple carplay thing they promised in 2022 that they would release more information by the end of 2023 and literally december 29th they released like a shoddy like half complete uh photoshop job of a porsche with with a carplay built in someone's in the studio like wait i think we owe people something they've got like that haven't actually done it andrew made that joke yesterday like There's like a notion task of like, oh crap.

15:01We have to do the ship this. So like this coming early February, I don't think anyone expected. February 2nd. That's wild. Yeah. It's crazy. Bright and early. It's cool. Can't wait till the whole studios. You guys are getting them? You're getting them for all of us, right? You know, I'm still, I'm not sure exactly what I'm going to want to use. I mean, nobody knows what they're going to want to use Vision Pro most for, but I keep thinking what i'm going to default to doing the most is watching media like i had this vision of getting on an airplane vision and putting putting the headset on and just and watching a movie and nobody talks to me the whole flight no no no no i want the full picture that you told me the other day okay okay so what are you hiding from us i get on the plane i sit down oh no i put the vision pro on you get sucked i put my i put my no idea because you're in vr that would be a disaster so I sit down I put on the headset I put on my noise cancelling headphones and I'm fully isolated from the world I just sit back and I just zone out and I don't move for four hours when this happens you need to buy me the seat next to you so I can record the steward tapping you on the shoulder and your eyes lighting up at them and watching them freak out that is going to be interesting i need to see that because the etiquette the etiquette of noise cancelling headphones is all kind of built into the headphones right like the sony's have that feature where you put your hand over it and it like turns transparency on the airpods have a button where you turn transparency on so you can theoretically leave your noise cancelling headphones on but still interact with the flight attendant when they say do you want some water whatever with the vr with the headset on oh man it's it's built into the headset but it's also a really new thing for them to look at someone with the eyes projecting out of the headset.

16:56It's easier to tell, but it's just also terrifying. They also haven't had eyesight on on any of our demos that we've done. Yeah, I'm convinced it's not working on those. So it's either not working or they just don't want people to know what it looks like yet. I can't wait until Marquez comes out of the airplane bathroom and his eyes are just lighting up down the dark plane red-eye flight. I cannot wait. now the other thing is the battery life is not as long as a movie two hours yeah and i was also thinking like if planes weren't uncomfortable enough i now want my neck being torqued for an extra two hours you have to get you got to get one of those like plain puffy neck strap yes keeps your head yes that's a new vision pro accessory just a neck brace yeah a full-on like paramedic neck brace this is the future we wanted i'm not sure but i've never watched a high quality movie on a plane before it's either sitting on an ipad on a tray with like the window from the passenger across from me like reflecting off the movie or or just the the one built into the plane which is not amazing that's true imagine watching what i presume will be a fantastic quality movie with great audio yeah and the the three-hour plane ride just evaporates because you're just locked into the movie i did like the movie theater experience that we got to do in motion pro like really feels like you're in an actual theater that's one of my mom's like selling points on the oculuses she's like just put on netflix and sit there that'd be sick yeah so i think at a movie theater everyone else on the plane isn't staring at you while you do it yeah you can watch whatever movie you want question mark that is a good yeah um the enormous question mark for this thing is what is the developer ecosystem going to look like once it's once it comes out like i want to know i just want to know because it seems like apple still doesn't completely understand what the use case for this product is because they keep pushing.

18:50All they're pushing is like, look at your panoramas, look at your spatial video, watch movies, but they don't have any native apps that they think are killer apps that make this worth having. They seem like entertainment-based, right? Like watch multiple NBA streams at a time or like - Games. More stuff like that. It will be interesting. They definitely want some sort of work apps to be associated with it. also like video calling and stuff like that but they're really leaning on developers though to make killer apps i still think this feels i still think the price tag is up there because this feels more like developers are supposed to be buying it and they don't they know the public's gonna buy it but it feels like a developer kit like a really expensive i don't think that they want a lot of people to buy i don't think they do either this is purely a vibe check off of like the people i follow on threads and everything but there seems to be a lot of like developer excitement for this at least no no i think there is i agree i think there is and that's what i think this is mostly for and a developer is where it's worth paying thirty five hundred dollars if you're getting in the door early of an apple vr mr whatever you want to call it xr space with a new with a new platform or at least a new medium like this that's where the excitement has to be is that the developers first because nobody who isn't a developer really knows why they would spend $3 ,500 on this thing if it only does what you can already do on your phone.

20:12So we're trying to, yes, use Apple's built-in apps to give us a good idea of what it'll be good at. Oh, it's a nice screen. Oh, I can view media. It's going to look really high quality. But I need more to spend that much money on that. So developers are like, oh, my apps, I have all these great ideas. It's going to work well. Let me just code for it. Like, I hope that is where the excitement is. Also$3 ,500 is the starting price for the 256 gigabyte model, which seems like a very small amount of storage. I can't tell. I think you're right. I think 256 is going to feel really small because a VR game could be 50 gigs easily.

20:47Right. Right? So I, but what are the prices of the other, is it a half terabyte and a terabyte? Yeah, I don't even know what the prices are. There's no rumors of any other sizes at this point. Exactly. I really feel like if you were paying$3 ,500, they should have given you a terabyte of storage. because NAND storage is so cheap. It should be. It's so cheap. They should just put it in a little thing you put in your pocket and add another cord up to the top for more storage. There's a little... Imagine just putting a flash drive in the side. There's a diagnostic port where you put a dongle in and there's like a micro SD card slot like flapping out of the side.

21:21Yeah. That's not how it's going to work. Yeah. Imagine. I'm very interested in because it's so heavy just how people are going to react to that and we were joking yesterday like they should have made it out of plastic but Apple would never make it out of plastic and they'd sooner invent a new type of glass and metal that is lighter before that they used plastic on this thing. Chiropractors out there right now are... Yo, carbon fiber would have been... Licking their lips. They're gonna be four boats soon. Carbon fiber would have been kind of sick. Yeah. Do you want it to be more than$3 ,500? Honestly, once it's over$3 ,500, like go for it.

21:52It could be anything. Just go for it. 10 grand. It could be a car. I can mortgage my house. It could be a car. I don't know. Yeah. Anyway, okay. We got a lot of CES stuff to get into. so I think we want to leave some time for that. So I think we should take a quick break and then come back to do CES talk. But before the break, we should do trivia.

22:12Okay, trivia. So we've been talking about the Apple Vision Pro. With the external battery pack, it's stated at having two to two and a half hours with an asterisk. That asterisk is, testing consisted of full battery discharge while performing each of the following tasks. Video playback, internet browsing, spatial video capture, and what popular Apple first party app? What are the three options? Well, there's four. There's video playback, internet browsing, spatial video capture, and what popular Apple first party app? This to me says this is what they expect most people to be using this. I have a guess.

22:55Just based on the videos. Okay. Yeah. but wait we'll have to see if i'm right okay oh well you ask the question again later i know there's a battery estimate it's multiple battery estimate they explain is we got two and a half hours based on you doing these four things exactly adam named the first three yeah what is what is the fourth video playback browsing spatial video capture oh and what i'm surprised that they include spatial video capture so was i that's why because that seems like a pretty heavy task well and also So then they said you could capture on your phone after, which makes way more sense.

23:29Yeah. Right. Well, you don't want to capture video? No, I don't. Dad, what are you doing? All right. Answers will be after the show as usual. We'll be right back.

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25:04Ellis, let us know what's going on on the show floor. Marquez, I'm reporting live from the Hisense booth of the floor of CES 2024. As you can see, they appear to have set up some sort of wonderland, it seems. There's a giant orb of seemingly some sort of LED panel. We have the Suites Island showing some sort of a plastic recycling process. In about one minute, we're going to see the dancing car start over there. But it seems that here in the Hisense booth, things are fantastic and wonderful. Back to you, Marquez. All right. There are many orbs in Las Vegas. There are many orbs. There are many displays.

25:47The dancing cars. That was like the perfect encapsulation of like if you could stand in one spot at CES and see CES. Everywhere you turn, there's something else that you didn't expect to see. I hope they went through the LG tunnel. I hope he did too this is Ellis' first we sent Ellis and Mariah their first CES's and they're perfect for CES they certainly had a lot to explore I think they're thriving out there I think we've got a little bit more from our correspondents out there let's pull up another one Marquez, I'm sitting here on the central floor of CES I'm actually in a car believe it or not made by TCL known for their epic QLED televisions.

26:31I used to have one for years. It was great. This car, much like their television, appears to be great. I mean, look at this leg room. Just fantastic. You're not going to find this in any vehicle other than maybe a real-life limousine. Up front, we have a giant, giant wraparound OLED screen. Two OLED screens with a notch a la Apple right here. All in all, great product. I hope we get to see it on the road. We probably won't. But all in all, just a fantastic product and thank you for TCL for letting me sit in the back of this car. Marquez, back to you. For audio listeners, car is a generous term there.

27:08It was four seats on the CES show floor. The thing about CES is it stands for Consumer Electronics Show but most of the things you see there aren't actually Consumer Electronics. yeah they're not gonna come out there's lots of car stuff at ces there's a whole hall where you see like tons of different cars and there's like a mobility section and the future of cars and then once in a while you get an entire car that gets announced and you're like is this ever coming out the sony afila really that's coming out apparently this year it was there and they drove it on stage with the ps5 controller yeah that happened that's a real thing that happened think about that in any other context they drove the sony car on stage with the ps5 controller if tesla did that you'd be like come on yeah really but that's what's happening i suspect that that wasn't a tcl car as much as it's a demo of how tcl technologies can be in a car yeah you know because hey we make screens and guess where you need screens new cars so so ellis got a taste of uh all those things yeah ces is kind of like a vibe rather than a product it's like here's maybe yeah yeah it's Like, here's a bunch of crazy stuff, and maybe 10 % of it later will be pretty cool when you can actually buy.

28:22I just felt like that video, like, perfectly encapsulated, like, car releases at CES. It's like, I'm sitting in this thing, so maybe it's real. Most likely not. But look at how cool it is. There's so many, like, quote-unquote cars out there that are just, like, a box with a million screens and seats facing each other. And then there's, like, wheels outside. I want someone to make a chart. of the proportion of cars shown at CES whose seats do not face forward. Yeah. And how that has gone up over time. Yeah. Wait a second. You don't have to drive, so you could just look at each other. You just turn around.

29:01And that's become a thing. Yeah. All right. I can't wait for that day. For one more segment. Last video. Hit us with it, Ellis. Marquez, I'm coming to you live once again, this time from the Venetian Expo Hall at CES. I am currently being jiggled by one of Dr. Fuji's, this appears to be a thigh and glute shaker. Nice. This is fantastic. I have to say this is the best product, boasts innovation. It's shaking. Frankly, I think the government should be buying these for people. It's a travesty that the rest of America hasn't been exposed to Dr. Fuji's wonder. If you're at CES, I highly recommend stopping by this food.

29:37Dr. Fuji, would you like our work? Yeah, thank you so much. This is a lifestyle. The C is a Korean lifestyle. Fitness, health, right? Whirling is this? This is a thoughtable. Hi there. Vibration plate is actually vibration medicine. Nikola Tesla says it best. Everything is energy, frequency, and vibration. And when you figure out that everything is vibration, you figure out the keys to the universe. Thank you. I couldn't have said it any better myself. thank you very much. Marquez, I'm going to send it back to you in the studio. So. That reminds me. CES is a couple things. CES is a vibe check.

30:27It's like, hey, here's our new tech. Interested? Question mark? CES is also PR. Here's our new thing. Come on. Write about it. That's what you're here for. and CES is a tradition tradition the tradition part of it is Dr. Fuji yes he okay for those that don't know Dr. Fuji I did not Andrew had to explain this to me this morning oh I saw Dr. Fuji every year I went to CES your formative CES experience yeah he makes these vibrational pads that you stand on that are supposed to be good for your like they're supposed to like there's there's been like decades of those kind of like I think it used to be you stood and there was a band like around your back and it would like kind of shake you and this is now like more of a platform you stand on and it shakes and i think they do massage chairs holistic like core training nikola tussle said it best well she said you know okay you know it's funny so i was in new orleans a couple weekends ago and i walked by this like random like street vendor and he had a bunch of rings that he probably like bought from china and imported and sold to a lot of people but this guy walked up and he's looking at and he's like you like that ring he's like uh yeah my daughter likes purple and he's like you know why you like that ring and he's like well it's it's purple my daughter and he's like it's made of amethyst you know what amethyst does he was like what and he says amethyst has the same vibrational frequency as your body so when you're touching amethyst you're touching yourself and i was like yeah all right dr fuji you're in you're on to something there man love that anyway You know, when you don't have to get FDA approval, you can just do whatever sometimes.

32:09Yeah, that's true. Look, CES is full of all kinds of wonders. I kind of feel like we've sort of sat back, perched back a little bit and seen a lot of the CES stuff from afar. Obviously, these guys have been in the thick of it, and that's what we've just witnessed. And I love that. But I'm curious what you guys have seen that you think is genuinely actually some of the best stuff from CES, like good stuff from CES. Yeah, it's easy to make fun of CES. And that was the CES, CES. But there is diamonds in the rough out there. That's exactly how it's... Finding them is tough. We sent people to find them for us this year or the internet.

32:45Yeah. But I think we asked everyone to pick something they saw that was an announcement from CES. Yeah. Who wants to go first? I can go. Yeah. Do it up. Go. So Razer every year has something that's... It's usually in the same exact category. It's an interesting idea that you're convinced they'll never ship, but you're like, well i could kind of see razor shipping this and this year they did it again they called it project esther this year uh and if you just go do a quick google search for razors project esther it's described as an hd haptics gaming cushion you put this on your gaming chair you connect it to your computer and it with super low latency can deliver some of the effects of what you're feeling in the game through the chair the back the seat the lower back the whole thing if you're playing a shooting game allegedly this is coming from a reviewer from tom's hardware this is uh allegedly you feel like you got hit by the gun like you feel some of the things in the game also you can only get shot in the back you can only get shot in the back this is a very valid point andrew i want us to ignore that for a second but imagine like you've seen like belief you've seen the um there's like uh sofas that you put yeah yeah like subwoofers in like feel the bass imagine feeling the bass in the music listen i'm making fun of it but i actually think one this is the least ridiculous thing razors like shown at ces remember project linda which again was really cool but i didn't think it was ever going to ship that was the phone that acted as the trackpad of the shell for a laptop that was awesome i think i think samsung and dex should do something like that yeah because i actually think that's a really cool idea but this looks really sick for like racing like i immediately look at racing games where i think it'll be coolest there's people build all sorts of racing simulators if this is a couple hundred bucks you get a bunch of extra feel in a racing simulator if you're putting on the racing chair or the razor chair it's already like a racing seat you throw a steering wheel and some pedals on this and like i actually think this is pretty neat and very razor do you think they're actually going to release this i think so i think this gets really this can get released allegedly there's an sdk because as of right now when you're doing that like uh subwoofer under the couch thing it's just taking the speaker's audio already and choosing which frequencies to send where so if you're if there's some some bass in the movie you're watching then it's like all right we'll put that under your seat if you're playing a game and there's a gunshot maybe that specific frequency is like picked up by the software but if you're working with the developer of the game itself with an sdk they can choose exactly what to send where so if you're doing a driving game instead of just relying on the engine sound from the speakers, maybe the developer of the game can send the track bumps to your chair.

35:27Which would be kind of sick. It would be cool. So it has some potential. Is it also RGB? This picture shows RGB. Let's be real. It's a Razer product. There's only one photo I see with RGB and considering all the other Razer ones don't actually show it, it just has like a green lining. I kind of think it's not, but I hope they make an RGB version. But the reason I think this... Yeah. Okay. okay i mean it's razor there's gotta be an rgb version the reason i think this ships is because ultimately it's a high quality massage chair pad that they can yeah specifically target sections and that's not it seems a lot less insane than a lot of no exactly it's a very reasonable product yeah in previous years they had a they had a tri-screen laptop that got famously got stolen yeah that was really funny they had that monitor one year that yeah i forget if it ever got released but it was i think it did that was like early on of the like 4k high refresh rate or like crazy high refresh rate it had like multiple cables going into it to achieve it i think yeah it was one of the few companies that goes hard at cest yeah but project linda is one of my favorite things razer ever released yeah yeah so that's my pick high definition haptics through your butt from the game i was entertained by that i really liked did you see the vin fast pickup truck I saw a picture of it.

36:43I think it looks really cool. Is it legit? I mean, VinFest has been making a lot of cars. They released a pickup truck and also this little SUV that's like a two-door SUV. It basically looks like if you took a Bronco Sport, took the back doors off and just smushed the trunk back up on it. But I like the truck because it just looks nice. It looks about the size of a Tacoma. And do you remember when the Silverado EV came out? and I know other trucks have done this, but it had like an opening. So if you were sliding like wood through the back bed of the truck, it could come into kind of the cab. This VinFast has the entire back seat able to fold down and completely open up to the cab of the truck.

37:24So yeah, not just the little bottom portion of it, but the entire part of it. That's cool. I think that's awesome and gives you a bunch of extra space. I think it looks really cool. I like the size of it. It's smaller than an F-150 and the interior looks very CES. That looks very future of it. I wanted to get into that. I think that'll be, I don't know enough about VinFast. I have a hard time believing that's what that'll be or if it is, this is going to be way more expensive than it needs to be. Right. Everything else. This is a concept truck announced at CES. So my question is, if VinFast is actually going to make a pickup truck like this, how much of it will end up in the actual truck?

38:02Right. I think the design could, but this concept also has like the is this the my back doors the suicide doors what is it what do you call um the back door opens backwards so you got the yeah doors opening like that they open from the same point from the same opposite direction i don't think that makes it pickup truck not a good idea uh i hope that the feature you're talking about with the i could see that staying the tailgate i don't know what to call it it has a name something else gate it's not the tailgate it's like the the tailgates went all the way in the back what opens in to get to the bed of the truck but this is where the bed and the back row of seats connects i think that feature would be nice to have yeah in the real truck uh i think the interior looks very much more like a normal truck than this the funny thing is is i think if this truck as the concept was toned down 25 i would like it better and so that's why i think it's cool at ces no but when it sells later if the interior is less flashy if the exterior was probably a little more just normal and then it still had features like that i think this is a really cool truck there's not a lot of vin fast cars in the u.s but i think no yeah we haven't really gotten a chance working on sort of actually breaking out and shipping them here yeah yeah yeah sick so i have uh two i have one that is very expensive and may or may not even ship and then i have one that is already shipping which is pretty cool so main one um lg signature oled t okay uh every year there is a there's a lot of really interesting tv tech at ces uh a lot of it doesn't make it out of ces like 3d tvs that tradition were a thing temporarily and then everyone realized we're done this is very interesting it almost kind of looks like a fish tank like a very nice little fish tank but basically it has the transparent TV portion in the middle.

39:51And because of this, with no black film on the back, you're able to give these like really cool 3D effects that make it look like there's like a volumetric type display inside of the TV. And they have a lot of interesting demos. I think that it could make for a very interesting piece of art, right? It's sort of like a different version of the Samsung frame TVs that turn into static art this is like moving art lg had a different booth or like a side room filled with different displays and they were using something similar to this as like a storefront window that was able to do like transparent video yeah so like you could make the your store pop a little right and i think it was really cool and this looks like that bundled down into like an interior consumer gadget it is interesting because a lot of the time the LG stuff does eventually ship like the rollable TV did eventually ship you can buy it it's super freaking expensive this will probably super freak be freaking expensive it ships but you could turn into a regular TV when you do basically this black film lifts up in the back which gives it contrast so you're actually able to see what you're watching it doesn't it doesn't look as good as a regular TV when it has the black film up but it's like passable so it's I think it's more for people that want to have an art piece in their house and then can also watch things when they want to or to the rollable tv yeah i mean i can see this in businesses also as just like cool display units i mean yeah lg is the one who i think would they're the ones who at ces they put crazy stuff out and then i'm like that might that's probably actually gonna come out yeah might not sell a bunch and it's gonna be super expensive yeah but it's gonna come out and it's gonna be impressive yeah um there's another thing that is actually gonna ship like immediately lately uh called the audio technica athtwx7 they are a pair of earbuds and they're not that different from regular earbuds except they have a feature built in that can basically play relaxing music and it's like built into the headphones and i know this seems like gimmicky and you could just go on your phone and play the music from like some thing whatever but i listen to uh like naturey soundscape music when i'm writing and i feel like the ability to just like pop these in and just press them and immediately have it play would be kind of nice and audio technica headphones already sound pretty good so i mean yeah there's already a 200 audio technica pair of truly wireless earbuds which is probably worth it already yeah audio technica makes great stuff and 200 bucks is pretty standard price for stuff like this so hashtag not sponsored but if you want to send a pair i won't be i'm not opposed yeah so i just think that's fun i what is kind of nice is when technology comes out that has very low key updates that are just kind of quality of life improvements most of ces is clearly just this like we're reinventing this and it probably won't work and people probably won't buy it uh but it's always nice when they're just like we added this kind of nice quality of life feature to a thing that you already had um now traditionally that makes for a little bit more of a boring ces like a few years ago the whole theme of ces was we added alexa to your fridge we added Alexa to your microwave or your clock but um obviously this year it's AI stuff which we'll get into in a little bit.

43:12Put GPT in your toaster. Yes. GPT toaster. Yeah I think this would be neat. I wish I could sleep with earbuds in because I think it would be awesome to just have earbuds in and just like hit the button and go to sleep with relaxing sounds. There are the Bose sleep buds that they don't make anymore I don't think. I just can't sleep with things sticking out of my ears can you not just like a white noise machine yeah but then everyone has to hear it versus just me sounds like their problem yeah that's fair yeah they can put earbuds i just go with a fan yeah but yeah okay that's a audio technica athtwx7 great please start naming earbuds better the names are getting longer athm50 was the same number of characters but easier to say yeah ath t ath tw x7 is it's getting a little harder to say yeah not sure why you're using all those letters but okay yeah um i think those are good picks also new ps5 colors nice red white and blue adam has a pick too america what do you got adam what's your pick oh mine was the mono key systems it's like a low profile keyboard from i think that's how you pronounce it right monarchy yeah i mentioned this just like offhand to andrew that i want to do this and he kindly gave me a paragraph or two of like yeah sorry cool specs to say and mention and comparisons and everything monarchy's a a company that's already really popular in the mechanical keyboard space i have a couple of theirs um they they like started they have super super premium like 500 plus dollar keyboards last year they released uh more like a 200 keyboard but mechanical in stock and now this is the low profile stuff because we're seeing a lot more with the popularity of the magic keyboard i think a lot of keyboard companies are like people like low profile but let's make them nice and mechanical not scissor switch um so like keychron and newfie have done it already and they're really nice and this is mono key going into that interesting range i knew none of that i just saw it and i was like this thing pretty i want it looks really nice it looks like have you seen that work louder keyboard no there's a company called work louder that's doing this low profile keyboard except it's um why can't i remember the name something linear where all the keys rather than staggered are uh ortho linear i think it's called where all the keys are like in the same row which is very different from all those stories it looks cool it's very out there it has like screens and knobs and everything just quickly i looked again some of the work louders ortho linear some of them as regular layout um but yep all of them i want this is similar to that but in a standard layout that people actually understand but more a little more low-key um i don't know if you see a picture of it yeah i think it looks really good it's in silver and black wireless bluetooth and 2.4 gigahertz dongle silent or tactile switch options and available mid-year this keyboard is beautiful it looks gorgeous it looks really nice and i've really liked mono key stuff as well i didn't think i was gonna want to buy a new keyboard so fast same that's not my 2024 bingo card nice all right yeah i wish i got to see it they invited us over to see it but we didn't go so damn well we should do another trivia and then after the break we're going to talk about that rabbit r1 ai hardware product which we have a lot of thoughts about and we will get into soon but adam you want to throw us a trivia question nah okay see you guys later oh oh oh you're kidding yes right always have a trivia question all right so we spoke a lot about cars on this episode so far but one thing i found while looking up random facts about cars is that there are many different types of horsepower which of these isn't a real type of horsepower?

47:03A, drawbar horsepower. B, waterwheel horsepower. C, electric horsepower. Or D, boiler horsepower. I think I know the answer. Interesting. I don't. I think I've got a random guess. Me too. Because I forgot everything he said already. Perfect. I can put a letter down. Yeah. All right. We'll do that after the break. We'll be right back.